Picture = 1000 words, 1hr Video = 15,400,000 words

[Wardofsky]

Okay, here is my epic story (Soon to become a trilogy!).

During class (Yeah I'm a kid (Just in case ya didn't know)) and our teacher gets annoyed with us.

She tells us we have to do 30 minutes silent writing of whatever we want, she suggests a few things as well.

The first thing she suggests is "Stream of concious thought". well, it's the start of school, in the morning, I'm not sure my concious is with me, but I choose it.

I see a student walk by with a SLR (Probably a media student) and I start talking about taking photos adn all that stuff, I then get to "A picture equals 1000 words".

That continues until I get to how many words there are in a 1 hour, 3D, 24fps film and work that out at 3.652264^21.

What are peoples thoughts on the "Picture = 1000 words" thing and other things like what I did in class?

[Roger1]

How much of this do you think your teacher understood?:D

Oh, and how many words did you write?:D :D

[Mr. Anderson]

Picture = ~1000 words

Its all a matter of perception. Have you ever tried to come up with 1000 words to describe a picture? Some pics could easily be books and some a lot less.

You would have a hard time coming up with 1000 words for the image below (but its possible, but only with a talent for words and a good imagination ;) ).

D

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by dukestreet
Picture = ~1000 words

Its all a matter of perception. Have you ever tried to come up with 1000 words to describe a picture? Some pics could easily be books and some a lot less.

You would have a hard time coming up with 1000 words for the image below (but its possible, but only with a talent for words and a good imagination ;) ).

D

Black, bleak, hopeless, dark... etc.

[idkew]

Originally posted by dukestreet
Picture = ~1000 words

Its all a matter of perception. Have you ever tried to come up with 1000 words to describe a picture? Some pics could easily be books and some a lot less.

You would have a hard time coming up with 1000 words for the image below (but its possible, but only with a talent for words and a good imagination ;) ).

D

pixel 1,1 is black, square....

pixel 1,2 is black, square, much like the pixel found a 1,1...


1,000 words would be a piece of cake, but boring as hell.

[eyelikeart]

that's the typical way of seeing it though...

I could easily come up with 1,000 words from that image the duke posted...

it's true...it's all about the perception...and how u think... ;)

[Sol]

I would say that the more a picture leaves to the imagination, the more words you can use to describe it. Maybe 1000 is a little short for some pictures.

As for video, one thing you have to consider is how many and what type of shots the film contains. I remember watching an Argentinean film that was basically one static shot into a student's appartment (and by the way, it was not a porno). Now that I think of it, I would only need one word to describe that: boring.

[eyelikeart]

ha ha...I'm thinking we should have a contest of sorts...

"What does this black box mean to u?" ;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
ha ha...I'm thinking we should have a contest of sorts...

"What does this black box mean to u?" ;)

Ha, great idea - but again, its all on how you present it. Coming up with 1000 words isn't all that tough, but captivating the reader long enough for them to finish it or even enjoy it requires a bit of talent and perception outside the black box....

D

[eyelikeart]

well I feel if a person feels deeply enough about anything...they can capture anyone's attention...

as for the black box...I could go on for days...

whether or not some view it as interesting...well that's another story... ;)

[scem0]

I hope this hasen't been said. But A 1 Hr video of blackness
wont make any more 'words' than a picture of blackness would.
Technically they are the same thing, but w/e.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by eyelikeart

whether or not some view it as interesting...well that's another story... ;)

oh, come on, you couldn't come up with something interesting in 1000 words for that pic? It would be rather simple, actually.

D :D

[etoiles]

1hr Video=15,400,000 words ?

am I missing something, or is:
24fps x 60secs x 60minutes x 1000words

more like 86,400,000 words ?:D

[Wardofsky]

Where does the "Picture - 1000 words" come from?

Also, the equation for 3D film is:

(60X60X24X1000) ^3
(Minutes)X(Seconds)X(Frame Rate)^ (Dimensions)

It equals 3,652,264,000,000,000,000,000 or 3.652264^21.

[Wardofsky]

Originally posted by etoiles
1hr Video=15,400,000 words ?

am I missing something, or is:
24fps x 60secs x 60minutes x 1000words

more like 86,400,000 words ?:D


Oh yeah, whoops, sorry.
I rest my case higher up the hill.

[etoiles]

no worries...it happens to the best of us :D (it usually happens to me)

Anyway, what is this 3D film ? Is this for real or some hypothetic technology ?

I have heard of some 'holographic memory', but I don't think it ads another full depth of storage. It just ads a couple of layers to store more data.

In which case the 'theoretical' number of images would still only be 24x60x60x(number of layers)
BUT: it is also important to understand that if you watch a 1h movie at 24fps, it wont matter how many dimensions there are as you can only see two images at a time, wich makes 24x60x60x2=172800 the maximum number of images you could see in an hour (from that movie/3D simulation, not counting mental images, images from other sources etc.) :D
That is per session, of course. Watching a '3D movie' a second time with different angles would be like watching a totally new movie (well, yes, theoretically)

I am going to sleep now, wonder how many words I am going to dream...one sheep, two sheepzzzzzzzzzzzz ;)

[G4scott]

That black box somehow just reminded me of a close-up of a charcoal briquette... I'ts probably since it's 1:45 AM...

hmm... All of this stuff is making me think too much. I should really be getting some sleep, but my new 12" PowerBook just won't let me leave it alone... I think I need help- I'm in love with a computer (:eek: not like that sikos :p )

I guess in another way, that black box could represent my pocket, and it's similarity to a black hole when money appears... Man, I need some sleep desperatly...

[Wardofsky]

Originally posted by etoiles
no worries...it happens to the best of us :D (it usually happens to me)

Anyway, what is this 3D film ? Is this for real or some hypothetic technology ?

I have heard of some 'holographic memory', but I don't think it ads another full depth of storage. It just ads a couple of layers to store more data.

In which case the 'theoretical' number of images would still only be 24x60x60x(number of layers)
BUT: it is also important to understand that if you watch a 1h movie at 24fps, it wont matter how many dimensions there are as you can only see two images at a time, wich makes 24x60x60x2=172800 the maximum number of images you could see in an hour (from that movie/3D simulation, not counting mental images, images from other sources etc.) :D
That is per session, of course. Watching a '3D movie' a second time with different angles would be like watching a totally new movie (well, yes, theoretically)

I am going to sleep now, wonder how many words I am going to dream...one sheep, two sheepzzzzzzzzzzzz ;)

Heh,you talk funny like.

Nah, I just did the whole 1hr 24fps film X 1000 and cubed it for the dimensions, probably not accurate but none the less.

It was a english thing anyway.

[Macette]

many hundreds of thousands of words have been written about this image - and it's not much of an advance on dukestreet's black square (but I love it!)

Edit: sorry about original massive image - have reattached smaller version!

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
oh, come on, you couldn't come up with something interesting in 1000 words for that pic? It would be rather simple, actually.


the point of my saying that was more for others who don't see things in such an...abstract way...

interestingly enough...last night I came upon a theory as to why one particular style of pottery was more "masculine" than another simply by it's shape...

don't ask... ;)

[idkew]

Originally posted by Macette
many hundreds of thousands of words have been written about this image - and it's not much of an advance on dukestreet's black square (but I love it!)

Edit: sorry about original massive image - have reattached smaller version!

that one i could talk a lot about... i can easily see that as art. i not much of a formalist, but i can respect that theory.

the black rectangle i do not consider as formalism, that is why i can't write less literally about it. it doesn't have enough interaction for me.

[idkew]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
the point of my saying that was more for others who don't see things in such an...abstract way...

interestingly enough...last night I came upon a theory as to why one particular style of pottery was more "masculine" than another simply by it's shape...

don't ask... ;)

look into some ancient greek pottery. many a kylix is extremely masculine.

oh- tv is 2-d, not 3-d, just as a painting is a 2 d representation of 3d's. not to mention, you are seeing an artificial image, so there is much less image transfer and processing going on than if you were viewing it in person.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by idkew
look into some ancient greek pottery. many a kylix is extremely masculine.


yeah I'm with u on that...

seems to be a primary theme of stability...whether it be feet of sort to support or handles to grab...

nice stuff though... ;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by idkew
that one i could talk a lot about... i can easily see that as art. i not much of a formalist, but i can respect that theory.

the black rectangle i do not consider as formalism, that is why i can't write less literally about it. it doesn't have enough interaction for me.

There both equally capable of being described in as many words required. You're missing the point, though. Its not about the picture and its 'artistic' inpression - its about how you choose to view it. Its all about perception.

Look at the black square and try of think of one way it could be represented as much more than it is. You don't need complexity to create more words on the page, you just need to look at it from a differeng angle. :D

D

[idkew]

Originally posted by dukestreet
You're missing the point, though.


I get what you are saying, I just refuse to think of it abstractly, and only will do it literally. I guess I am crazy, what can i say?

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by idkew
I get what you are saying, I just refuse to think of it abstractly, and only will do it literally. I guess I am crazy, what can i say?

All I can say to that is 'Open your mind.....', its way more than just abstract.

;)

D

[eyelikeart]

left brain vs. right brain thinking...

gotta love it... ;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
left brain vs. right brain thinking...

gotta love it... ;)

ha, as a artist and engineer, I'm lucky enough to use both sides of my brain and excersize it as often as I can. Got to keep it in shape too ;)

D

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
ha, as a artist and engineer, I'm lucky enough to use both sides of my brain and excersize it as often as I can.

yeah really...u are lucky though...

it's not completely uncommon...but definitely not the norm... ;)

[idkew]

Originally posted by dukestreet
ha, as a artist and engineer, I'm lucky enough to use both sides of my brain and excersize it as often as I can. Got to keep it in shape too ;)

D

that is my goal, to use both sides of my brian in a marketing/advertising function. have fun creating something, and doing the work to see it through. i might even go for a combined jd/mba post grad...

you have gotta love what you do... i couldn't imagine hating the next day of work... but now i am too far off topic.

[Wardofsky]

I say look at your avatars.

[vniow]

Originally posted by Wardofsky
I say look at your avatars.


Psychoanalyze that little 50x50 image above our every post?

I'm game.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251618

[scem0]

you have a good one to psychoanalize. Mine isn't so good for that.

[idkew]

i'd agree that you can learn a lot about an avatar. even ones which people think they don't tell much about them.

[vniow]

Originally posted by idkew
i'd agree that you can learn a lot about an avatar. even ones which people think they don't tell much about them.

I'd have to say yours has this innocence about it, this stare that just looks at you, wondering, no judgement, no assumptions, just wondering.

A dog often symbolizes companionship also (man's best friend and whatnot) plus it's brown in color which could be associated with being grounded, down to earth.

How's that?

[eyelikeart]

mine just hypnotizes u...

go ahead...stare at the baby... :eek: ;)

[iMook]

A thousand words is not hard for any picture (provided it's not disturbing). I can go real philosophical and whimsical into the inky blackness that inhabits the third post (third? one of the first ones anyways). Avatars are a bit harder, though I guess you can just do stream-o-fconsciousness on the free association that comes from a glance at an avatar. THen, try to wrap everything together into a wacko (or not-so-wacko) analysis of the avatar's owner.

A picture = 1000 words is not hard, but I dare anyone to try to do 1000 words per frame of a feature film.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by iMook

A picture = 1000 words is not hard, but I dare anyone to try to do 1000 words per frame of a feature film.

A good prolific writer might be able to do it, but you'd have to have a better reason other than just to do it.

As for psycho-analyzing Avatars - well, that's not quite that simple. You don't always know where they came from, or what they are. As for me, I don't think any would know about my current one and I've probably had about 10 over the course of my time here at MacRumors.

D

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
As for me, I don't think any would know about my current one and I've probably had about 10 over the course of my time here at MacRumors.

oh really? ;)

[scem0]

One work comes to mind when I look at V's...

Shexy

The 'h' is necessary.

[eyelikeart]

I do see vniow's avatar as sexual...

feminine...but dominant...

strong...with a need to show a bit of "flair"...

[scem0]

It is even kind of apple-ish, but maybe I am just
saying that because it has a white background. ;)

[Wardofsky]

Originally posted by vniow
I'd have to say yours has this innocence about it, this stare that just looks at you, wondering, no judgement, no assumptions, just wondering.

A dog often symbolizes companionship also (man's best friend and whatnot) plus it's brown in color which could be associated with being grounded, down to earth.

How's that?

Bit short of 1000, but anyway.

20 bucks to anyone that can do an analisis on my avatar.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Wardofsky

20 bucks to anyone that can do an analisis on my avatar.

I'll take you up on that when you get one.....

eye - ah, obvious, duh! Wasn't talking about you....;)

D

[vniow]

Originally posted by scem0
One work comes to mind when I look at V's...

Shexy

The 'h' is necessary.


Why is the 'h' necessary?


eyelikepoop:

Weird, I always saw myself as the submissive...........



http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=258478

[scem0]

because sexy and shexy are different words. They are related
and have similar meanings, but different connotations.

Shexy is better though ;).

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by vniow
eyelikepoop:

Weird, I always saw myself as the submissive...........


hmm...then it would make sense to me...

from a psychological standpoint...u see yourself as submissive...but in this "virtual reality," u are the dominant figure...

but that's just thoughts I have...

interesting no doubt... ;)

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
eye - ah, obvious, duh! Wasn't talking about you....;)


doh! :eek: :D ;)

[scem0]

I see V as dominant. Well not overly-dominant, but definitely
not submissive. Dominance is shexy, Submission is sexy. ;)

[vniow]

So am I the official Macrumors Alpha Bitch?

Or do I have to buy a mug first?

[iMook]

don't you mean "shekshy" (that looks ugly, but sounds better i think) as in Sean-Connery-esque? ("shexy" just isn't self-consistent, IMHO)

Wardofsky, you don't have an avatar (at least not one that I can see)... or was that the joke?

dukestreet... does the analysis hafta be accurate? I can do one (it'd hafta come in installments, since i'm rather busy these days), but it won't be anywhere near your persona at all.:D ...and I don't think even a supremely bored prolific writer could give 1000 words per frame for a film like "Titanic". (1000 words x 30 fps x 60 sec/min x 60 min/hour x ~3 hours of sex, Leo, and water = acute arthritis + beer bottle glasses)

even something shorter, but with the same amount of plot and artistic merit, e.g. Terminator 2, would be... to put it nicely, a doozy.

[eyelikeart]

vniow...u can be whatever u want here... ;)

but I'm curious...no one's picked apart my masterpiece yet... :(

[vniow]

Originally posted by eyelikepoop
but I'm curious...no one's picked apart my masterpiece yet... :(


I think that everyone's afraid to, that kewpie probably haunts your dreams!http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251718

[scem0]

V's right........ That baby is freaky.

Definitely not Shekshy ;).

[eyelikeart]

ah...I see...

well the kewpie is all about classic style for me...I'm a huge fan of retro... ;)

but how about I post an older avatar up for review?

[scem0]

Sounds good to me.... as long as it isn't a freaky evil baby. ;)

[Wardofsky]

Originally posted by dukestreet
I'll take you up on that when you get one.....


My point exactly, I do not have one that contains 1001 words or less.

Originally posted by scem0
because sexy and shexy are different words. They are related
and have similar meanings, but different connotations.

Shexy is better though .

Yesch, you a very toight, yesch toight like a toiger.

Are from Holland, if you are, ischn't that weird!

[eyelikeart]

so here's one I had for a while...

got a lot of compliments on it actually... ;)

http://www.eye-creative.com/wftntf.gif

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by iMook
dukestreet... does the analysis hafta be accurate? I can do one

well, that's the point, you know. If you don't know what it is you really can't give an accurate interpretation. And it has a less profound meaning than you might imagine ;)

D

[vniow]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
ah...I see...

well the kewpie is all about classic style for me...I'm a huge fan of retro... ;)

but how about I post an older avatar up for review?


Okay okay, I'll do the kewpie.

Since it's a doll (it is a doll right?) it represents something that's on display, something that's fragilealso, dolls are idealized versions of the real thing and they usually have a baby face to them (my grandma was an avid doll collector) so I would also think they represent eternal youth, but this kewpie is different than other dolls, it's got this menacing and mischevious impish quality to it.

<waits for kewpie to haunt my dreams>

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by vniow

<waits for kewpie to haunt my dreams>

I'll admit...I can totally see how they have that creepy quality about them. I guess it's part of the reason why I like it though; I love it when I can really grab a person's attention and make them ask "why?"...and this does that to a degree. I'm also always saying "u are only as old as u feel," so the eternal youth speculation holds truth equally. I an also understand the "on display" analysis, as being a shorter/smaller person, I have always felt a need to be seen/heard more.

Interesting though, it's these qualities that make me enjoy when someone asks about a photo I shoot or something I write... ;)

[MacFan25]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
so here's one I had for a while...

got a lot of compliments on it actually... ;)

http://www.eye-creative.com/wftntf.gif
That's pretty cool looking. Did some people not like it or something?

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by MacFan25
That's pretty cool looking. Did some people not like it or something?

ah...not at all...got more compliments on that one than any other...

I think I just wanted to see some of my photos up after that one...so I did a slideshow of some of my work...

my current avatar is just for S&G...it was my first one after getting 500 posts...

I'll likely go back to the dripping water though soon... ;)