No HDMI cable included with PS3?

[Tommyg117]

http://www.ps3land.com/article-623.php

According to this link, Sony is not packaging an HDMI cable with the PS3. I'm a little disappointed with this. For 600 bucks, I want an HDMI cable, especially because they aren't exactly the cheapest things in the world. Is that so much to ask?

[2nyRiggz]

I really think Sony is doing this on purpose to have people talking.....its like they want everyone to talk about them good or bad.




Bless

[Mackilroy]

Frankly, I'm not surprised. How many people have HDMI-capable HDTVs? Not many, unless I miss my guess.

Sony's doing the intelligent thing for once and not including something that a lot of people don't have any use for right now.

[sikkinixx]

Frankly, I'm not surprised. How many people have HDMI-capable HDTVs? Not many, unless I miss my guess.

Sony's doing the intelligent thing for once and not including something that a lot of people don't have any use for right now.

yeah but for those of us who do, know its ANOTHER 50+ (probably more) on top of the 659.99! (cdn) argh... :( thats a game that I won't be buying because I want the damn HDMI (I dont have any free spots for component left on my tv :()

monster HDMI cables are over 100 bucks!!! :( and thats for a 1m one! weak...

[Tommyg117]

With the HD revolution made by these next gen systems and next gen formats, HD tv's will become more available and more people will buy them. Most newer HDTVs have at leats one HDMI input. Well, if not most, than many. So why is Sony just putting a final kick in the butt to the consumer in the PS3? I was considering, as of late, getting a PS3, but this kind of makes me want to wait a little further. They better have something UGE (yeah that's right, so big it doesn't need an H) up their sleeves for TGS.

[bembol]

HMDI sells between from $5-$500 but that's not the point...Sony has a problem, even their Upconverting DVD players are the only one that doesn't include it...cheap bastards...!!!

[danny_w]

I know that HDMI cables (and DVI for that matter) are expensive, but why exactly? I can understand pricey analog cables, but isn't HDMI all digital? Why do you have to have special cbbles for digital? I thoght that was one advantage to digital, it's either on or its off.

[Dagless]

no, this doesn't seem right.

[zap2]

what would both me is its just one more thing i need to buy at launch..i like it all coming as one thing..

[mkubal]

I'm not sure of what everyone's definition of expensive is, but I'd suggest you look at MonoPrice (http://www.monoprice.com) for cables.

A six foot HDMI cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=2219&seq=1&format=2&style=) is $18 US. I can attest to its quality. I'm using it right now with my cable box.

Other lengths can be found here. (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&style=)

I found them through the AVS forum. (http://www.avsforum.com/) I buy my cables from there unless I need one in a pinch, which requires Radio Shack.

Also, I'm not sure about using Monoprice outside the U.S. (I'm too lazy to figure it out) ;)

On topic though, that is bull crap if they don't include the cable. OTOH, I suppose we should just hope that Sony doesn't come up with their own HDMI connector like Apple did with the iPod USB connection. The only thing worse than having to buy the cable separately would be having to buy an overpriced proprietary one from Sony.

*Expects to see "proprietary Sony HDMI cable" rumor pop up all around the web tomorrow*

[abbottpc.com]

They are doing this to make extra money. They will lose money on the system and gain money on accessories and games. This is how it always been done with console companies.

[zap2]

. This is how it always been done with console companies.


Did Sony take a loss on the PS2?, i'm pretty sure Nintendo did not..this is(to the best of my knowledge) is the first generation with most of the companys lose money on tha hardware.

[GFLPraxis]

They are doing this to make extra money. They will lose money on the system and gain money on accessories and games. This is how it always been done with console companies.

Always? In the old days it wasn't done like this...it's a more recent phenomenon, primarily promoted by Sony and Microsoft.

Sony sold the PS2 at a very small loss that could be made up quickly. Microsoft sold the XBox at a massive loss to gain marketshare that cost them billions. Nintendo sold the GameCube at a profit as they have with all their systems since the NES.

Interestingly, due to spectacular engineering the GameCube was smaller than and cost less than all the competition, while outperforming the PS2 and keeping up with the XBox (better processor, weaker GPU, but potentially able to output more, like in RE4).

[greatdevourer]

Frankly, I'm not surprised. How many people have HDMI-capable HDTVs? Not many, unless I miss my guess.

Sony's doing the intelligent thing for once and not including something that a lot of people don't have any use for right now. Considering that's one of the big features of the $600 model, I'd say it's kinda dumb not doing it.
And over here, if it doesn't have HDMI, it's not an HDTV - just a TV that does high resolutions

[MacRumorUser]

This is the important thing to me.

if you are having a retard pack with no HDMI - and of course no cable , the only way you can justify the more expensive premium which has the suppoed benefit of HDMI, in to include the damn fecking cable - ye cheap bast*****

Seriously €700 for PS3 & Resistance FOM and I still have to spend €50 on a HDMI cable.... :mad: That's a wii game there..... :mad: :mad:

Both nintendo with it's constant LACK of concrete information and sony with it's constant BALLS UP PR stunts are both really pissing me of right now.. :mad:

[Dagless]

yea I'm a little annoyed at Nintendo for not giving us information this late in the day. but hey everything else they have done has been a PR dream, so I trust they have something coming up.

But really now... it would be silly not to include a HDMI cable with the PS3. i still doubt how true this is.

[MacRumorUser]

But really now... it would be silly not to include a HDMI cable with the PS3. i still doubt how true this is.

Probably very true. Remember you only get a ****** phono cable with ps2 & & xbox thesedays. They make too much $ kerching from selling a scart cable or svideo cable for $30......

However I do suspect they will bundle in at least a component cable - otherwise they really are just being greedy basta**s

[maddav]

That is rather a bad move from Sony at least Samsung had the good nature to chuck in HDMI cables with pretty much all of their upscaling DVD players.

[MacRumorUser]

That is rather a bad move from Sony at least Samsung had the good nature to chuck in HDMI cables with pretty much all of their upscaling DVD players.

As sony would say...

Yeah but thats a dvd player, not a super computer. no super computer comes supplied with HDMI. Anyway the PS3 is super cheap, too cheap we think. So go pre-order now, and rest assured our specs wont change between now & november again ! .... ;) ;) :D :D :D

[seenew]

As sony would say...

Yeah but thats a dvd player, not a super computer. no super computer comes supplied with HDMI. Anyway the PS3 is super cheap, too cheap we think. So go pre-order now, and rest assured our specs wont change between now & november again ! .... ;) ;) :D :D :D

"psssst! Kaz!"
>"what?!"
"We're out of blue lasers."
>"Attention ladies and gentlemen, valued patrons-- We have just decided that the best move to make would be to have a BluRay lottery! On launch day, you spin the wheel, and if it lands on a blue piece, you get BD support in your system! Otherwise, you'll get an official Sony Voucher™!"
"psssssst KAZ!"
>'WHAT NOW?"
"We're out of the Vouchers™!"
>"*******."

[Dagless]

^haha

Why do people call it BD? Isn't it BR? I've heard nobody calling it "Bluray Drive", just "blue ray".

[Symtex]

^haha

Why do people call it BD? Isn't it BR? I've heard nobody calling it "Bluray Drive", just "blue ray".

Blu-ray Disc

[darkwing]

I know that HDMI cables (and DVI for that matter) are expensive, but why exactly? I can understand pricey analog cables, but isn't HDMI all digital? Why do you have to have special cbbles for digital? I thoght that was one advantage to digital, it's either on or its off.

While this is true, if you switch it on and off too fast, the wires in the cable begin to look inductive. This not only makes it harder to switch faster, but causes ringing in the signal. Bad. In addition, there is some frequency range where switching can cause interference on an adjacent wire. SATA drives are coaxial. I remember that 400 mhz PCI bus (did that ever make it? Don't keep up with those things as I only use laptops) had to have tuned circuits on both ends.

As motherboards and CPUs had faster busses, they had to start shielding traces on the motherboard to prevent the traces from acting like antennas and radiating into each other or acting as antennas.

Remember ATA/100 cables? The ones with 80 wires? They were really 40 wires with a ground between each one to try and cut down on bleed over.

Ever wonder why USB has 2 wires.. one for a 1, which is made by pulling it over 2.8V through a pull-up.. and another for 0, made by pulling it down below 0.3 through a pull-down. All done to reduce RF interference.

Basically, as digital busses get faster the cables become transmission lines. This could be the reason HDMI cables are so costly. As one user pointed out, there are cheaper ones sold. I bought a HDMI-DVI cable (10 ft) for my digital cable box for $25 including shipping from a company on the internet. It works great. Just shop around. :)

Sony will probably have a proprietary connector on theirs, though. :(

[bowens]

Frankly, I'm not surprised. How many people have HDMI-capable HDTVs? Not many, unless I miss my guess.

Sony's doing the intelligent thing for once and not including something that a lot of people don't have any use for right now.

Well if this is their mindset, then why have HDTV support in the PS3. The majority of people do not have HDTVs. Most HDTVs either have HDMI or DVI (the newer ones all have HDMI). Even with DVI, you can get a converter. It uses the same signal.

[Mackilroy]

Well if this is their mindset, then why have HDTV support in the PS3. The majority of people do not have HDTVs. Most HDTVs either have HDMI or DVI (the newer ones all have HDMI). Even with DVI, you can get a converter. It uses the same signal.

Because you don't need HDMI for high definition.

[Dagless]

but you do for BluRay (IIRC). And seeing Sony are riding BluRay into peoples homes with the PS3 it just looks bad for the BR situation.

Again, this is why I don't see this being true. Sony have put so much money into Bluray and are selling the PS3 at such a loss that it's made up from Bluray film sales (unless PS3 online/games are to be extortionately overpriced). They're going to want you to watch films on it.

unless of course you don't need HDMI for BluRay.

[Abulia]

unless of course you don't need HDMI for BluRay.
Technically, no. Component won't look as good as DVI/HDMI but it's all rather moot once the studios turn on the Image Restraint Token (IRT) in HDCP.

At that point, if you're not using HDMI or DVI-HDCP then you're screwed; you just paid $600+ to watch Blu-Ray movies in downsampled 960x540p.

I'm boggled why anyone would play Russian roulette w/ a $600 piece of equipment and $30+ Blu-Ray discs that could have HD disabled at any time when they turn on the ICT and you don't have a HDMI connection.

Oh, and for the earlier poster, Monster Cables aren't the de facto standard of the HT A/V enthusiast; Monster Cables are high-priced vanity cables that lure the uninformed. You can get much better A/V cables online for significantly less.

[LethalWolfe]

I know that HDMI cables (and DVI for that matter) are expensive, but why exactly? I can understand pricey analog cables, but isn't HDMI all digital? Why do you have to have special cbbles for digital? I thoght that was one advantage to digital, it's either on or its off.

The accessories make the profit. The margins on hardware (printers, computers, cell phones, shaving razors, etc.,) are very slim (if they are even there at all) to make the "big" purchase more appealing to the consumer. But the consumer is most likely going to need/want accessories (cables, extra phone charger, ink, razor blades, etc.,) so the accessories are marked up a crap load to generate the profit. Another example is gas stations. Gas stations don't make money selling gas, they make money selling cokes and candy bars to people who come to their store to buy gas.


Lethal

[JDOG_]

Here's the "proof":

http://images18.fotki.com/v345/photos/1/115471/2865848/Screenie001-vi.jpg

[Dagless]

RE the proof-

uh oh Sony. Whereas Nintendo and Microsoft, though not supporting 1080p will be offering the highest quality cables with their systems. I can only imagine the industrial cost to produce these is going to be negigable compared to BluRay and Cell, probably the second cheapest thing with the PS3 (remember the plastic carrier bag :p ).

[bowens]

Because you don't need HDMI for high definition.

What other option does the PS3 offer for HD out? Does it have component out? Even if it does have component, if it is like any of the upconverting dvd players out, the only way to get hd to your tv will be through hdmi.

[2nyRiggz]

I know that **** was fake.....always something with people pushing the PS3 to the trash....oh well..




Bless

[XNine]

I know that **** was fake.....always something with people pushing the PS3 to the trash....oh well..




Bless

Face it, when the PS3 ends up teabagging the other two systems, you and I and anyone else not buying into this slander BS will have women dancing around us like those Axe commercials. And we'll show them our "OH" faces... Twice.... And they'll love us.... (i still love my 360, btw)

And there are probably SEVERAL different types of cables that you could purchase for a PS3, ranging from componant to s-video to composite to DVI and even HDMI. Just like every other console that's come out in the last 5 years. It's just a different set of cords on the end of the connector to the unit.

And as Abulia stated, yes monster cable is a rip-off. It's absolute ********. I once got to see a demo of a new monster cable amp at a meeting... while my boss and I were drinking and eating the free stuff, we heard a loud BANG! and turned around, the damn thing blew and there was smoke coming from it. Teh rep was like "uh, yeah, ha ha. That was totally planned." Dick. Just tell us your products are crap so we won't buy them already...

It has a fancy jacket and name, that is all.

[MacRumorUser]

As i already posted earlier, they will more than likely package a component cable which will allow all HD res - including 1080p - so it's not a major issue.

However it would be nice to have one free regardless ;)

Anyway the Xbox 360 never came with a VGA cable, was there moral outrage? No..... At the end of the day - anyone planning on spending 600+ on ps3 this xmas, aint gonna be put off by the lack of a hdmi cable....

[Mackilroy]

Onizuka – we're not saying the PS3 is a horrible system. We're just saying it isn't as godlike as Sony's trying to claim it is.

I'd think Sony would probably include component cables at the least, as I know a lot of people with TVs that have component input – far more than HDMI.

[Dagless]

Onizuka – we're not saying the PS3 is a horrible system. We're just saying it isn't as godlike as Sony's trying to claim it is.

Exactly. I love it how the Sony execs babble on about it being "a super computer" and all this other bollocks. It's a bloody games system Sony, get over yourselves. Heard the latest hyperbole of the PS3 being "a weapon"?

PS3 may be a good system. the company behind it clearly aren't. or rather their PR people.

[XNine]

No, the only Godlike system available is the new FULLY Maxed Out, Everything on the list, built to order Mac Pro. That machine...makes me horny.

[Mackilroy]

No, the only Godlike system available is the new FULLY Maxed Out, Everything on the list, built to order Mac Pro. That machine...makes me horny.

I'm scared, Oni. I used to think you were rational but now I'm doubting that… :p

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a nice machine. It's just not the be-all-to-end-all. Neither is any other system.

[XNine]

I'm scared, Oni. I used to think you were rational but now I'm doubting that… :p

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a nice machine. It's just not the be-all-to-end-all. Neither is any other system.

Oh, you shut your foul mouth! The Mac Pro is sexy! Say it! SAY IT!

No, I know what you mean, I just get tired of all of these dumb ****s on these blogs posting crap like this. The 360, for how much I love that machine, has MANY more flaws than the PS3 (from what I cans ee, right now). Backward compatibility sucks, backup of data from original memory cards sucks, an add-on for HD discs sucks. Though, I will have to say the controllers are the BEST on a console yet by far. And I'm sure the PS3 will give us ups and downs like the rest.

Sony's PR sucks balls, yeah. But that ain't gonna stop the PS3 from being an awesome machine.

And just for the record, yes, PS2 chips COULD have been used for missles... though I'm sure with tech these days Tiger games probably can be too. Kids are so spoiled these days.

[Tommyg117]

I don't hate it or love it, I just need it to be out so I can judge it based on what it is.

[greatdevourer]

I know that **** was fake.....always something with people pushing the PS3 to the trash....oh well..




Bless You know what **** was fake?

[2nyRiggz]

You know what **** was fake?

I don't know....I'm just as lost as you....the PS3 site does say its not included...oh well.


Now excuse me as I play gardius.....its kicking my arse



Bless

[MacRumorUser]

Now excuse me as I play gardius.....its kicking my arse


oooh i love that game.. GARDIUS ;) :p

[Dagless]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/04/ps3-to-load-games-slower-than-the-xbox-360/

and I thought the 360 took a long time to load! Welcome back to the Commodore Amiga fellas. Grab a sofa, maybe a shower.

[MacRumorUser]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/04/ps3-to-load-games-slower-than-the-xbox-360/

and I thought the 360 took a long time to load! Welcome back to the Commodore Amiga fellas. Grab a sofa, maybe a shower.


Feck! PS3 cant get a break.....

[sikkinixx]

360 load times aren't too bad actually, but longer is never more fun. Hopefully the HDD that every (thats a shot at YOU 360 :mad: ) PS3 has will be able to help with load times.

lol this is from the comments at the bottom:

"Aneyoen with any knowlegde abut HARDCORE hardware knows the 360 is 75 tiems stronger thaen teh lollerbox POS3. ILL NEVAR EVER PLAY A GAME RELEASED ON A SONNEY CONSOEL BECUASE I AHET TEHM. STUPID NOOBS FFS OMG.

OMG THE PSHIT iS USELESS TRJOAN MOVIES MACHINE WITH NO 1080P. SONEY LIES AGAIN AS AØLLWAYS STUPID I HAET THEM DIE.

BLU-REY IS PROPITARTY!!11"

that fanboy speak, whatever the hell it is called, always cracks me up :D

[ReanimationLP]

Including an HDMI cable would be rather pointless because I highly doubt a lot of people would actually use the damned thing.

Besides, they need to make some profit somewhere. I mean, they've lost all this money on the development and manufacturing of the beast. To answer everyones question, PS2 consoles were sold at a loss until the end of last year, when they finally where able to produce it for cheaper than they retail it for, and also earned back all the cash they dropped in development.

And the Mac Pro is damn sexy. I wish I had the money. :(

[Dagless]

Feck! PS3 cant get a break.....

It can't! but it looks like the media have cottoned onto Sony after the Lies, damned lies and Sony lies they spread over the PS2. They got away with it once.

[Dagless]

I'm so sorry... I'm going to hell for this...

"attack the weak spot for massive damage"

[macenforcer]

http://www.ps3land.com/article-623.php

According to this link, Sony is not packaging an HDMI cable with the PS3. I'm a little disappointed with this. For 600 bucks, I want an HDMI cable, especially because they aren't exactly the cheapest things in the world. Is that so much to ask?

Got my HDMI cable brand new on ebay for $5.99. Look around. Best buy selling them for $129 is an absolute rip off.

[2nyRiggz]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/04/ps3-to-load-games-slower-than-the-xbox-360/

and I thought the 360 took a long time to load! Welcome back to the Commodore Amiga fellas. Grab a sofa, maybe a shower.

I'm calling BS again.....these stories seem to only do one thing and thats to kill the motion of the PS3 launch.



Bless

[Dagless]

I'm calling BS again.....these stories seem to only do one thing and thats to kill the motion of the PS3 launch.



Bless

But it isn't, look at the numbers calculated from actual speeds -

"Admittedly, Blu-Ray looks dicey from several non-capacity angles. Blu-Ray movies require a 1.5x Blu-Ray drive, or 54Mbits/second. Sony announced that PS3 uses a 2x BD drive, which is 72Mbits/second or 9MB/second. The Xbox 360 uses a 12x DVD, which should give it about 16MB/second. That is significantly faster for games and will result in shorter load times. And that 12x DVD drive should be a whole lot cheaper. (Note that the PS3 drive will do 8x DVD, and even that is faster than 2x BD.)"

Bringing up the question of how long a 22gb game will take loading (though it won't be all at once). Even with hard drive caching it will still take a long time to actually cache.

[Mackilroy]

I can tell that if nothing else, the PS3 launch is going to be interesting. While I'm sure it will do well, with all the negative press will anyone outside of the hardcore Playstation fans who were already going to buy one get one?

We'll see…

I sometimes wonder, however, if Sony just wants press, even if it's negative. Surely they knew beforehand the backlash from their choices for the PS3…

[Mavimao]

"Aneyoen with any knowlegde abut HARDCORE hardware knows the 360 is 75 tiems stronger thaen teh lollerbox POS3. ILL NEVAR EVER PLAY A GAME RELEASED ON A SONNEY CONSOEL BECUASE I AHET TEHM. STUPID NOOBS FFS OMG.

OMG THE PSHIT iS USELESS TRJOAN MOVIES MACHINE WITH NO 1080P. SONEY LIES AGAIN AS AØLLWAYS STUPID I HAET THEM DIE.

BLU-REY IS PROPITARTY!!11"



For some reason, I always hear a Manchester accent in my head when I read leetspeak. (sorry Jimi...)

[Dagless]

For some reason, I always hear a Manchester accent in my head when I read leetspeak. (sorry Jimi...)

No probs :p I don't have a Manchester accent, I have a Lancastrian-Saddleworth one ;) you know England and how the accent changes just by walking across the road! Jeffery brings it up in Fresh Prince... I think.

[MacRumorUser]

No probs :p I don't have a Manchester accent, I have a Lancastrian-Saddleworth one ;) you know England and how the accent changes just by walking across the road! Jeffery brings it up in Fresh Prince... I think.

Unforutnently most americans think the accent is either

A) boarding school upper class 'spike, giles from buffy' or
B) cockney 'mary friggin poppins' or 'eliza do friggin little' :D :D



Or for ireland its
'top o the morning' ..... :rolleyes: :D

worst irish in a film EVER!!! 'gangs of new york' - leonardo should be shot....

[Dagless]

Unforutnently most americans think the accent is either

A) boarding school upper class 'spike, giles from buffy' or


well I did attend Repton School :rolleyes:

[Abulia]

But it isn't, look at the numbers calculated from actual speeds
jimmi, you should know better than to bring up actual numbers and facts into a console thread! :D

The PS3 r0xx0rz! It's a "SUPERCOMPUTER!" with SUPER SPEED! :D

[2nyRiggz]

jimmi, you should know better than to bring up actual numbers and facts into a console thread! :D

The PS3 r0xx0rz! It's a "SUPERCOMPUTER!" with SUPER SPEED! :D

Is that a crack at me old boy...ummmmm:cool:

For the record: Never will I say r0xx0rz:)

Bless

[GFLPraxis]

But it isn't, look at the numbers calculated from actual speeds -



Bringing up the question of how long a 22gb game will take loading (though it won't be all at once). Even with hard drive caching it will still take a long time to actually cache.

IIRC though Blu-ray has a faster seek time. I think.

[Cooknn]

Because you don't need HDMI for high definition.
So, with my non-HDMI HDTV I should be able to watch Blu-Ray titles in all their Hi-Def glory on my forthcoming PS3?

[Abulia]

So, with my non-HDMI HDTV I should be able to watch Blu-Ray titles in all their Hi-Def glory on my forthcoming PS3?
See above, discussed several times.

1) Component != as good as HDMI/DVI. (But still pretty darn good.)

2) When movie studios turn on the ICT of HDCP you're screwed. You'll be downsampled to 960x540p.

[Mavimao]

worst irish in a film EVER!!! 'gangs of new york' - leonardo should be shot....

Remember that episode of Eastenders about 7-8 years ago where they had those Irish people, and the BBC later apologized for making them abusive drunks?

yeah, that was funny.

[greatdevourer]

For some reason, I always hear a Manchester accent in my head when I read leetspeak. (sorry Jimi...) Hehe, and about this crap:

Don´t you think that quality is too many good? 238 MB per episode is IMHO quite much

[Cooknn]

1) Component != as good as HDMI/DVI. (But still pretty darn good.)

2) When movie studios turn on the ICT of HDCP you're screwed. You'll be downsampled to 960x540p.I just read that Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD, for that matter) have stated that they won't be using copy protection until at least 2010. I guess I have time to save for a new HDTV. By then my Toshiba 50H82 will probably be dead anyways :o

[BlizzardBomb]

RE the proof-

...Nintendo... will be offering the highest quality cables with their systems.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nintendo slip a composite cable and nothing else in my Wii box.

[ReanimationLP]

I just hope they make it able to plug into a VGA monitor and do 480p, hopefully 800x600, and other HD resolutions.

My TV isnt a TV perse, its a Gateway Destination monitor. You've probably seen one before. It looks like a TV, but its actually a monitor that does 800x600 progessive and is as clear as day.

I'm gonna be pissed if I cant plug it into my VGA switchbox. :mad: Hell, my Dreamcast can do VGA, and thats what, 7 years old now?

I mean, the Wii has it, the 360 has it, why cant the PS3 have the capability to hook up to VGA. VGA is great because a good 19" CRT monitor like the ones I invested in will do 1920x1080 with no issues at all. :D

[greatdevourer]

I mean, the Wii has it, the 360 has it, why cant the PS3 have the capability to hook up to VGA. VGA is great because a good 19" CRT monitor like the ones I invested in will do 1920x1080 with no issues at all. :D Hehe, my 16" does 1920x1440@60 (160dpi), so your 19" should be insane :)

[atszyman]

I've only skimmed the thread but I don't think this has been asked.

If the story is true and there's no HDMI cable included does that mean they have a standard HDMI interface on the back of the PS3 or will they have some funky proprietary connection on the back that requires you to buy a special PS3 to HDMI cable? I know my SNES, N64 and PS2 all have some cable with RCA jacks on one end and then some other connector to the system on the other. This may be standard but it's not just the simple RCA to RCA cable connections that are cheap and abundant. Will the PS3 use standard HDMI or will they try to milk as much as they can until the third party people release compatible cables?

[XNine]

Bringing up the question of how long a 22gb game will take loading (though it won't be all at once). Even with hard drive caching it will still take a long time to actually cache.

Considering HD video consumes between 9.5 and 13 GB (depending on which codec used) per hour of footage, If there is one hour of cinema at HD quality on the disc, that's roughly 13 GB right there. Add un-compressed content from the game, it'd be pretty easy to use 22 GB of space.

As for load times, they wouldn't be much at all. Consider that Dead Rising is a true HD game, the load times are about 5-7 seconds, yet the content has to be decompressed, processed, and played. If you have uncompressed content already, load times will take far less time than what it would of truly compressed.

Really, who gives a **** if it's uncompressed or not. They have the tech available to give us faster load times, let them use it.

[Dagless]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nintendo slip a composite cable and nothing else in my Wii box.

possibly...

for the record
An AV Multi-output port for component, composite or S-video.

Thank god for the multi output. I always liked that about my nintendo systems. I remember lending out my N64 SCART adapter to my mate when we wanted to play super clear Bomberman SNES multiplayers.

Is it true that you can get Component to VGA adapters? *looks at Abulia* I've seen some on Froogle for £10-50, but do they really work?

[ReanimationLP]

Hehe, my 16" does 1920x1440@60 (160dpi), so your 19" should be insane :)

My 19"s max resolution is 2048x1536 4:3 or 1920x1200 16:9.

16:9 desktop looks kinda funny though, but it works. I <3 these monitors. I have two of em. IBM rocks. :D

[GFLPraxis]

Considering HD video consumes between 9.5 and 13 GB (depending on which codec used) per hour of footage, If there is one hour of cinema at HD quality on the disc, that's roughly 13 GB right there. Add un-compressed content from the game, it'd be pretty easy to use 22 GB of space.


In what format? H.264? Raw DV? MPEG-2?

[Dagless]

Considering HD video...

Why would a game with the power of a PS3 need FMVs? They're not required anymore, I don't recall ever seeing an FMV this generation, I don't see why the next will need them either.

[XNine]

In what format? H.264? Raw DV? MPEG-2?

Actually, H.264 can cut a 13GB video into just about 7GB. But it's not yet a full industry standard, either. MPEG2 is the full 13GB per hour.

Jimmi, as far as FMV's... FMV's are everywhere. Honestly. From role playing to FPS to action and adventure games, they are in there. I'd like to know just how many games you've even played this year that constitutes that they aren't needed, especially for this generation when they will finally be able to harness HD video in them. The industry has longed for this for a while now.

As for the HDMI cable being an accessory or not (prorpietary end to connect to PS3), I'd have to see the PS3 specs to see if there's an HDMI port... if not, then yeah, most likely you'll have to buy a PS3 compliant HDMI cable.

[MacRumorUser]

As for the HDMI cable being an accessory or not (prorpietary end to connect to PS3), I'd have to see the PS3 specs to see if there's an HDMI port... if not, then yeah, most likely you'll have to buy a PS3 compliant HDMI cable.

http://www.gadgetim.co.il/gallery/originals1147198395_ps3_hardware_screen012.jpg

HDMI port is the standard hdmi

They are also using the newer v. 1.3 of hdmi which increases bandwidth and allows full uncompressed audio as well as video....



So it doesnt come with an HDMI cable. W.G.A.F ? Seriously. Xbox 360 never came with VGA cable, and M$ are releasing an HDMI cable when HD-DVD is released, and yet their HDMI IS PROPRIERTY - do we have a thread "no HDMI cable included with Xbox 360"

Or maybe we should start one "No mini DVI connectors included with Macbook or iMac" ???

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As for DVD speeds = pure speculation.


------ I'm not a PS3 freak, and will cut it up when Sony really do do somthing majorly blundersome, but this thread is just petty to be honest... People need to get over it.....

[seenew]

I'm so sorry... I'm going to hell for this...

"attack the weak spot for massive damage"

L-O-FRICKEN-L

[Abulia]

I just read that Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD, for that matter) have stated that they won't be using copy protection until at least 2010. I guess I have time to save for a new HDTV. By then my Toshiba 50H82 will probably be dead anyways :o
Really? You're gonna take that risk? I ask becuase I read somewhere on the Internet that... :p

Seriously, the ICT and HDCP are built into the specifications for HD-DVD and BluRay. They can be enabled at any time by any studio.

I wouldn't in a heartbeat invest in BluRay (or HD-DVD) without an HDMI or DVI-D set that suports HDCP.

For example, next year Sony Pictures loses $1.2B to piracy (made the number up) and decides to start pressing all their new BluRay movies with the ICT turned on. Unless you have an HDMI- or DVI-HDCP-enabled set you're screwed! :eek:

I'm stunned that anyone would put themselves into a position where a movie studio dictates your picture quality on a whim.

[Abulia]

Is it true that you can get Component to VGA adapters? *looks at Abulia* I've seen some on Froogle for &#163;10-50, but do they really work?
Cables? No, you need a transcoder which can get expensive. Plus you're scrubbing the signal.

That's why the 360, for example, uses the proprietary A/V connector; the system does the output/transcoding at no cost.

I suspect the PS3 has a dedicated HDMI out (digital) and a proprietary A/V connector (analog) for that exact reason. (You can convert DVI/DVI-HDCP to HDMI and vice-versa at no cost. They're [mostly] the same signal.)

[Abulia]

Xbox 360 never came with VGA cable, and M$ are releasing an HDMI cable when HD-DVD is released, and yet their HDMI IS PROPRIERTY - do we have a thread "no HDMI cable included with Xbox 360"

Actually, we don't know how the HD-DVD add-on hooks up. It (the player) connects via USB apparently, but it very well could have its own HDMI port (doubtful).

Considering current versions of the 360 shipping are analog out only, I suspect those HDMI 360 motherboard pics that have been making the rounds on the Internet the past few weeks are probably accurate.

[Cooknn]

Really? You're gonna take that risk? I ask becuase I read somewhere on the Internet that... :pWell, I don't have much of a choice. I can afford to upgrade now if necessary, but obviously I'd like to hang on to my current HDTV as long as possible. Toshiba does offer a DVI upgrade for my set but it's prohibitively expensive IMHO, so I'll just hang with my component Hi-Def and move when I have to :cool: