Apple's September 12th Media Event Roundup

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Apple is hosting (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060905144401.shtml) a media event on Tuesday, September 12th 2006 in San Francisco, CA at 10AM Pacific. The event will also be simulcast to a location in London (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060831122800.shtml) where journalists have also been invited.

The invitation to the media was entitled It's Showtime (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060905144401.shtml) -- suggesting Movie-related announcements. Rumors sites had originally expected (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904073025.shtml) iMac updates during the event, but Apple surprised everyone with iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906091309.shtml) and Mac mini updates (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906094056.shtml) last week.

This leaves iPods (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904073025.shtml), a Movie Store (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906185220.shtml) and the possibility of a new streaming Media device (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904194920.shtml) for the Tuesday event.

As usual, a number of anonymous images have been circulating claiming to represent upcoming products, but these are all considered to be fake. Other circumstantial evidence (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ipods-invisible-in-ads-199610.php) has been reported, but no definitive information on the event.

As always, MacRumors will provide continuing coverage, however, access to these events have become more restricted, so please contact us (http://mailto:webmaster@macrumors.com?Subject=Showtime Coverage) if you are attending.

[twoodcc]

can't wait!!! not too much longer now!

here's hoping to something new in the living room:cool:

[randyharris]

If the rumors of near $15 downloads are true - are you really interested? That's way too much for me to have interest in it.

But then again, I think $0.99 per track isn't as attractive as subscription based services too.. :)

Now a streaming Media Device I'm excited about.

New [Video] iPod I'm excited about as well.

Randy at http://www.MacSeven.com

[kainjow]

$3-4.99 rentals of brand new movies would be awesome. Otherwise, "meh"

[rtharper]

This leaves iPods (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904073025.shtml), a Movie Store (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906185220.shtml) and the possibility of a new streaming Media device (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904194920.shtml) for the Tuesday event.


It also leaves the MBP. If it is not updated, I will likely be driven into a mad frenzy where I buy some other brand of laptop. Honestly, the things Apple is forcing me to do...

[bep207]

dont forget the mbp revision



that will never happen

[Bibulous]

I'm hoping for a streaming device with a remote that allows me access to media on my mac from my TV. Of course Apple will overly simplify it and limits it's capabilities, but well love it anyways.

[Bibulous]

$3-4.99 rentals of brand new movies would be awesome. Otherwise, "meh"

I can't get to excited about this, it will take me 10 hours to download 2GB :eek:

[HecubusPro]

It also leaves the MBP. If it is not updated, I will likely be driven into a mad frenzy where I buy some other brand of laptop. Honestly, the things Apple is forcing me to do...

I don't see that happening this week, as much as I want a merom MBP. This Sept. 12th event is geared soley towards ipods, nanos, and especially the movie store. I'm betting nothing will be said or released concerning MBP's or MB's. I hope to god I am proven wrong though. Ultimately, as poppe has suggested on other threads, Photokina on the 26th will be the place where MBP updates will happen, as that is more of a pro event. If they don't happen by then, that's when I will beging looking at yonah MBP's.

[Chundles]

I can't get to excited about this, it will take me 10 hours to download 2GB :eek:

10 hours? Luxury. I dream of being able to download 2GB in 10 hours.

It'll take me over 4 days.

[JoshH]

Here's to new living room hardware... and I'm actually in the market. Fingers crossed.

[rtharper]

If they don't happen by then, that's when I will beging looking at yonah MBP's.

I won't buy a Yonah MBP. I would rather have a more future proof computer of a different brand. I use *nix for almost all of my work, I'll just try and buy an open source friendly machine and put windows on a partition just to run WoW and have the other run FreeBSD.

That, of course, is not my first choice, but I won't wait past the shipping dates of other manufacturers (i.e. the 26th is my limit, too).

[AidenShaw]

It'll take me over 4 days.
But due to the International Date Line, isn't really only 2 days?

[WildPalms]

10 hours? Luxury. I dream of being able to download 2GB in 10 hours.

It'll take me over 4 days.

Wow! What kind of slow-ass lines do you people in Australia have to suffer with?

Thats ridiculously slow. :(

[Chundles]

Wow! What kind of slow-ass lines do you people in Australia have to suffer with?

Thats ridiculously slow. :(

Dial-up. I can't get any form of high-speed internet because my building is so old the phone lines are dodgy, I'm renting so any sort of drilling to get cable is out and wireless broadband is either not here or too expensive.

And I'm in the 10th largest city in the country. My parents, who live in a little country town a long way from anywhere get quite decent broadband speeds. Go figure...:confused:

[Bradley W]

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[DeSnousa]

Wow! What kind of slow-ass lines do you people in Australia have to suffer with?

Thats ridiculously slow. :(

Mine connection would take around 14 hours, but we have adsl 2+ now which is up to 24mb/sec. Can't wait to upgrade :cool:

This movie store is all exciting and all, but with out world stores, it will be the US who will be enjoying it :(

[albeik]

Wanted to add to this thread the "interesting" picture...
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/sept12pic.jpg
Source: http://www.tuaw.com/2006/09/10/banner-for-september-12th-event/

Looks fake.
Best comment: "Clearly, Apple has invented some hyperspace technology that lets you fit a DVD into an iPod"

[stevehp]

Did they used to have a live stream of the keynote? Does that happen anymore? How soon do we find out the products on tuesday? Thanks!

[Chundles]

Mine connection would take around 14 hours, but we have adsl 2+ now which is up to 24mb/sec. Can't wait to upgrade :cool:

This movie store is all exciting and all, but with out world stores, it will be the US who will be enjoying it :(

Yep, downloadable TV shows, movies for purchase or rent, iPhoto photobooks/prints/calendars/cards etc.

Who gives a rat's? Not me because we can't use any of them.

[Chundles]

Wanted to add to this thread the "interesting" picture...
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/sept12pic.jpg
Source: http://www.tuaw.com/2006/09/10/banner-for-september-12th-event/

Looks fake.

Is fake.

Discussion of fake iPod picture. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=232341)

[berkleeboy210]

Monday is going to go by soooooooooooo slow in anticipation for Tuesday.

maybe i'll just sleep until tuesday morning :rolleyes:

Bring on the Widescreen iPod, and a Home Media Device, hopefully something that my new Samsung HDTV in my room can take advantage of!

[Multimedia]

I expect all of the above. Why not? Apple's on a roll now. Keep the steamroller rolling. :)

Plus the Mid-Tower Conroe Mac I think.

[floam]

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[brepublican]

I am hopeful that we will see a new video iPod alongside a movie store debut.
My hopes exactly. It's definitely going to be the addition of movies to iTMS. New iPods? They're due aren't they? Might as well roll them out, I wouldnt put it past SJ...

[sisyphus]

Ignore, double post...

[gugy]

Very exciting.
Hopefully on Tuesday we'll see besides the Movie Store:

Widescreen video ipod with large capacity.

Media center
I look at that in two ways.
One would be in form of Airport that we can stream video to my TV on the entertainment room.
The other way an stand alone hardware with huge HD space, outputs to my TV , receiver, PVR, Superdrive, remote control and a way to hook up to the net to access Itunes Movie and Music store for downloads.

I do think the Airport is a more feasible option. But I do like a lot the idea of a stand alone media center. Well, let's wait and see.

[sisyphus]

You also forgot the iPhone, the Newton 2, the Conroe mid-tower, the new Apple iCredit Card, and the iGlasses Cinema Display mini. :rolleyes:

[stcanard]

Yep, downloadable TV shows, movies for purchase or rent, iPhoto photobooks/prints/calendars/cards etc.

Who gives a rat's? Not me because we can't use any of them.

Heh, I knew exactly what you were talking about with the download issue speed, as soon as I saw Australia in your profile -- I used to work for a company that provided online content. We regularly did "low bandwidth" testing, because of a sizeable Australian user base.

As a Canuck, I agree with the sentiment ... I still can't even get the "free" TV shows. New tech is neat, but why do I care as long as the RIAA monopoly only allows it to be distributed to a privlieged few?

Unfortunate, because here in Vancouver I don't even know anybody who isn't on broadband. Canada is the perfect market for this, one of the most wired countries in the world, huge broadband penetration, so we can actually use the store, but, nooooo ... its just too scary to let people actually see the content.

[ariza910]

this event is going to be simulcast in LONDON. Does this mean that movies will be able to be purchased by folks in the UK??? as far as I know you still cant purchased TV shows sold through iTunes in the UK:confused:

Strange Apple would work out US and UK movie distribution deals at the same time.

[sonicboom]

I seriously doubt laptop revisions will be announced. This event will focus on a specific message: we're in the movie download business now. They will also tie-in new products to take advantage of the movie service: new iPods and a Video Airport express.

The folks on the Tivo forum are speculating that Apple might invite Tivo to the party:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315123

It is rumored that Tivo is releasing the new Series 3 machine on the same day (their HD Digital Media Recorder for cable and OTA). As the tie-in rumor goes, Apple would supply the content, and Tivo the platform to play it on.

Personally, I'd be surprised if Apple's venture into the movie distribution business isn't an immediate flop. The $10/$15 price-points are way too high when compared to what you can buy the physical disk for. Plus, services like Netflix offer a much better value.

[rtharper]

this event is going to be simulcast in LONDON. Does this mean that movies will be able to be purchased by folks in the UK??? as far as I know you still cant purchased TV shows sold through iTunes in the UK:confused:

Strange Apple would work out US and UK movie distribution deals at the same time.

Depends on who they're marketing. If its just US movie makers, or a small subset thereof, I see no reason why they shouldn't be working out contracts to distrubte them overseas. Of course, I haven't given this too much thought (the merom MBP overshadows this in my mind) so someone else might see a problem with it

[ChipWinter]

So ... would a Beatles announcement be the cause for a London feed? Or would that be too big of a thing for this one event?

[Flowbee]

I would love a video streaming device. I use my airport express almost every day for streaming iTunes to my stereo, I'd love to be able to do the same with movies.

I have to believe that video quality for iMovie Store movies will be much improved over the current video offerings. Hopefully TV shows will get the same treatment.

Lastly, let me just throw my favorite (long-shot) rumor into the mix... Mac Pro Cube!!

[freebooter]

...access to these events have become more restricted...

Is this another example of success breeding contempt and arrogance? I think so. If Apple were on the skids (like before the iPod saved their greasy bacon), they'd be begging for anyone to attend their apparently exclusive product showcases.

Grammar lesson: It should be, "...access to these events has become..."

[n-abounds]

Yikes. It'd take me 1.13 hours. Maybe you can get a friend to call you and start reading off ones and zeros?

LOL, that might just make it into my sig one of these days.

Clearly, new "iPod socks" will be released on Tueday. Aren't we overdue?

Agreed on the grammar correction...it should be "has".

Personallly, I would love a tower. Mainly because I want a separate monitor...and a 20" iMac won't fit on my desk, but a 20" Apple display will. I'm buying some computer on Tuesday- so I'm excited either way. Thank god for a $3800 credit limit. I would love a machine that could record from my tv, although that would conflict with iTunes selling tv shows.

[ccroo]

If there is no new case design (maybe SR will bring one) it might be easy for Apple to just slip Merom's into the MBP line beneath the iPod/streaming/video fanfare. Without a new look, how big a deal is a 10% speedbump and 64 bit chips that IMACS for Chrissakes have already had for a week?

[freebooter]

Clearly, new "iPod socks" will be released on Tueday. Aren't we overdue?


How about edible iPod underwear, crotchless so you can get at the usb slot?

[Silentwave]

IF that TiVo rumor is true, it will be a dream come to life!

Proud owner of a Mac....and a Tivo w/DVD burner.

[108]

Is this another example of success breeding contempt and arrogance? I think so. If Apple were on the skids (like before the iPod saved their greasy bacon), they'd be begging for anyone to attend their apparently exclusive product showcases.

Actually, no, I believe it's more along the lines of an example of success breeding lots and lots and lots of admiring / eager people who want to attend their exclusive product showcases, and their resorting to excluding some people to keep such events from turning into crazed circuses.

Besides, I mean, who really wants to go to such an event, anyway? I'd rather just read about it on internet forums like this.

[aswitcher]

Dial-up. ...

And I'm in the 10th largest city in the country. My parents, who live in a little country town a long way from anywhere get quite decent broadband speeds. Go figure...:confused:


Common mate, the Gong isn't a city ;)

I get ~8000kbps so Movie downloads works for me - if the price and quality and DRM are right.

[kugino]

8GB metal nano. i'd pick one up immediately. otherwise i'll pick up a refurb 5G while waiting for the full-screen ipod next year...

[Chundles]

Common mate, the Gong isn't a city ;)

I get ~8000kbps so Movie downloads works for me - if the price and quality and DRM are right.

I totally agree - the Gong isn't a city, it's just a big ex-steel town with no redeeming features other than some nice beaches. I'm serious.

Trust me, if I could get 24mbps ADSL2+ I'd be screaming from the highest peak in the land (actually, Kosci's not that high, let's go "highest peak in Australian sovereign territory" - leave out Antarctica because not everyone recognises our claims there - and go with Mt. Mawson on Heard Island.) for Apple to bring movies and iPhoto photobooks and TV shows and all the whizz-bang stuff to the wide brown land.

For now however, I'll simply rise and give a "standing meh."

For those of you who don't know what a "standing meh" is, it's like a standing ovation only expressing total disinterest.

EDIT - And don't say "Common" when you mean "Come on."

[octoberdeath]

i hope they crank out some flippin amazing stuff that just screams buy me! i need a new phone here shortly for i hate sprint and will be switching to another provider and would love a bad a cell phone from apple. and i'd also like to be able to stream HD video to my telli in the living room wirelessly and other cool stuff too. bring on the media event!

[freebooter]

Actually, no, I believe it's more along the lines of an example of success breeding lots and lots and lots of admiring / eager people who want to attend their exclusive product showcases, and their resorting to excluding some people to keep such events from turning into crazed circuses.

Besides, I mean, who really wants to go to such an event, anyway? I'd rather just read about it on internet forums like this.

You have a point there. I certainly wouldn't want to attend. But I wasn't saying I would want to. Nor was I saying that any of the eager masses should be able to attend.
The original post by Macrumors implied that this site is shut out of such events. Shutting out representatives sites such as this, which do much to promote Apple products is, I think, to some degree arrogant and perhaps spiteful. This site likes to penetrate Apple's notorious secrecy.

[Zadillo]

I won't buy a Yonah MBP. I would rather have a more future proof computer of a different brand. I use *nix for almost all of my work, I'll just try and buy an open source friendly machine and put windows on a partition just to run WoW and have the other run FreeBSD.

That, of course, is not my first choice, but I won't wait past the shipping dates of other manufacturers (i.e. the 26th is my limit, too).

OK, honestly, I just don't get this. I don't see how a Core 2 Duo laptop right now is going to be so much more 'future proof' than a Core Duo laptop. Are you anticipating some time in the near future where everyone with Core Duo laptops is going to find that no-one is making *nix for 32-bit processors or something?

I mean, really now. What are you doing in *nix that a Core Duo based laptop is going to be so much less future proof than a Core 2 Duo laptop?

I don't see why you wouldn't just go ahead and order a Core 2 Duo PC laptop then now and get one soon. The only reason to get a MBP is if you specifically need to run OS X, but if the lack of Core 2 Duo is enough to make you just as happy to get a PC laptop and run Windows and FreeBSD on it, why in the world are you waiting for a MBP? It can't be that important to you if the Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo issue is the "dealbreaker".

[artpease]

"Clearly, Apple has invented some hyperspace technology that lets you fit a DVD into an iPod"

No, no...the DVD is there because the new vPod is also the remote for the new vExpress...now how cool is that! :cool:

[shadowx]

I could care less about the Movie Store... or a video iPod... I just want to hear the following in the same sentence:

"Core 2 Duo"; "Macbook Pro" ;)

It likely will not happen on Tuesdsay, but I'm going to be very disappointed if it doesn't happen in the next few weeks... I'm not angry and I'm not a whiner - I'll just be a little disappointed, that's all.

[aswitcher]

EDIT - And don't say "Common" when you mean "Come on."

I stand corrected - probably should have said 'C'mon'.

If its only downloadable movies I think there will be Nothing for Aus, so I will join you in the 'meh'.

[kashimo]

Sure wish that if they push this thing in Japan. It could be huge here. With so many people putting iPods in their cars and with Navigation systems that broadcast TV and play DVDs, this could be the next best thing.

[rtharper]

OK, honestly, I just don't get this. I don't see how a Core 2 Duo laptop right now is going to be so much more 'future proof' than a Core Duo laptop. Are you anticipating some time in the near future where everyone with Core Duo laptops is going to find that no-one is making *nix for 32-bit processors or something?

No, but the thermal efficiency and performance bump are not trivial issues to me if I'm going to spend near 3,000USD on something. I'm also praying for a graphics bump, which is VERY important for futureproofing.


I mean, really now. What are you doing in *nix that a Core Duo based laptop is going to be so much less future proof than a Core 2 Duo laptop?

Ever done graphics work or gaming on a laptop? Unfortunately, I need a notebook, and I can afford one machine. Therefore, I wouldn't mind some of the enhancements that may come with the Merom update.


I don't see why you wouldn't just go ahead and order a Core 2 Duo PC laptop then now and get one soon. The only reason to get a MBP is if you specifically need to run OS X, but if the lack of Core 2 Duo is enough to make you just as happy to get a PC laptop and run Windows and FreeBSD on it, why in the world are you waiting for a MBP? It can't be that important to you if the Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo issue is the "dealbreaker".

It wouldn't make me happy; it would fulfill my needs of a laptop. Apple OS is damned good for everything, and much faster than X11 under FreeBSD, for example. I've been trying to chuck windows forever but am dependent on it for a few apps that happen to run on OSX as well, but not other *nix platforms. Dual booting would suck. Plus, the form factor is nice.

Unfortunately, I don't have all year to wait. I have the need for a new laptop as my current laptop is rather agèd and out of warrantly, and having my sole machine fail as Dell machines seem to be so wont to do is not something I'm looking forward to with out a replacement.

[dnedved]

If they come out with a video-capable Airport, I'll buy two of them. We don't have a TV and watch everything on our 17" and 12" PBs right now. I want a projector but don't want to have the mess of cables everywhere. This would be exactly what I need. I certainly don't need a new iPod, but if they came out with a true video iPod that could stream video wirelessly to the Airport, I'd probably have to pick up one or two of those as well.

[nomad01]

I don't see that happening this week, as much as I want a merom MBP. This Sept. 12th event is geared soley towards ipods, nanos, and especially the movie store. I'm betting nothing will be said or released concerning MBP's or MB's.

I kind of agree although judging by the relative lack of fanfare for the new 24 inch iMac, it's possible they'll just appear when the store comes back up. Certainly not impossible.

[Old Smuggler]

just posted about airport extreme base station shipping delayed at apple store 1-3 weeks here maybe something is changing/happening


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2818557#post2818557

[April Dancer]

C'mon Steve. The 12th is my birthday. I'm a loyal supporter. Gimme a pressie! :D

I want a new iPod (possible) and I need a new phone (no chance!)

It's going to be the iTMS movie store, I know it. Bo-oring Zzzzzzzz...... I have 250 videos on my iPod, all ripped by my own fair hands, I don't need Apple's help. So please bring on the good stuff!

[chewy5000]

Wow! What kind of slow-ass lines do you people in Australia have to suffer with?

Thats ridiculously slow. :(

I've got broadband. It's fast (it says 100.0 Mbps, but i don't think that's right), but 've got like a 3 mb (okay, maybe more like 200) download limit. I can't even download daily podcasts :(

[nomad01]

this event is going to be simulcast in LONDON. Does this mean that movies will be able to be purchased by folks in the UK??? as far as I know you still cant purchased TV shows sold through iTunes in the UK:confused:


I don't know. I think the logistics of a Movie store would be easier than TV shows for Apple.

Movies get released around the same time in the US and UK now... maybe a few months delay. Once Apple has the deal with one studio, I'm guessing they're good.

With TV, shows air MONTHS later over here and they're on a ton of different channels. Sewing up deals with all the different networks for one country must be a headache let alone two or three countries.

I seriously think it's about time that Apple offered more than just bl**dy Pixar outside the US though.

Looking forward to see what they have planned tomorrow anyway. Unfortunately I'll be buying a couple of visiting Australian friends dinner when the keynote goes out. :-( Wonder if they'd settle for a packed lunch at the Apple Store? lol

[aswitcher]

just posted about airport extreme base station shipping delayed at apple store 1-3 weeks here maybe something is changing/happening


http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2818557#post2818557


Excellent!

[Yebot]

I prefer to rent movies. I rarely buy DVD's. That said, I'd like to see a rental option added to Apple's Movie Store.

Music is a different story. I prefer to own music.

[iMikeT]

I hope that the free iPod nano educational deal is still in effect if new iPods are released this week.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

IF that TiVo rumor is true, it will be a dream come to life!

Proud owner of a Mac....and a Tivo w/DVD burner.
I can't see how Apple can begin an sell movies and not also sell a Media Mac.
It would be like iTMS and no iPods... how well would that work? :rolleyes:

[Old Smuggler]

I hope that the free iPod nano educational deal is still in effect if new iPods are released this week.

seriously doubt it
its just a way to make a little more money off the existing ipods and reduce stock before the changeover

[Old Smuggler]

I can't see how Apple can begin an sell movies and not also sell a Media Mac.
It would be like iTMS and no iPods... how well would that work? :rolleyes:

Has anyone ever considered that the media mac would not be a hardware upgrade to the mini but a software one via itunes 7
or is it just me?

[ZLMarshall]

I really hope we get those MBP updates... even if they just "appear" tomorrow morning without an announcement :D

2 GB movies about as fast as apple can serve them here... if I use my "office connection." Think the DOE would mind my borrowing a little bandwidth for a while? ;)

[Stridder44]

Mine connection would take around 14 hours, but we have adsl 2+ now which is up to 24mb/sec. Can't wait to upgrade :cool:

This movie store is all exciting and all, but with out world stores, it will be the US who will be enjoying it :(


Holy eff. Im in the states and Im only gettin 786/384 :mad:

Then again we get it for free...but still....

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Has anyone ever considered that the media mac would not be a hardware upgrade to the mini but a software one via itunes 7
or is it just me?
I think you need both. I can't imagine that Apple want us to get a DVR on top of a Media Mac, so a Mediad Mac should have a built in TV-tuner. I wouldn't be surprised if this gadget also double as an Airport Extreme.

[timbuk2]

i present you...

the mediamac:

[Spanna]

Originally Posted by Chundles
Dial-up. ...

And I'm in the 10th largest city in the country. My parents, who live in a little country town a long way from anywhere get quite decent broadband speeds. Go figure...

My brother lives in Woolongong and he gets good Broadband speeds, I think his with unwired. You could always go and hang around near the uni and bludge off there wireless network.

[conditionals]

My brother lives in Woolongong and he gets good Broadband speeds, I think his with unwired. You could always go and hang around near the uni and bludge off there wireless network.

You could always go and hang around near Sydney uni and get some grammar lessons.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

i present you...

the mediamac:
http://www.twirl.ch/mc/other/mediamac.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if a MediaMac had the same form factor as the Mac Mini. However, a Media Mac needs 3.5'' HD to keep the price resonable.

[n00bst3r]

n00bst3r predicts:

1. Movie Store
Likelyhood: Very High

2. Airport Express with video
Likelyhood: Low to Moderate

3. Updated 5G iPod
Likelyhood: Moderate

4. 6G iPod (full video)
Likelyhood: Low to Moderate

5. 2G iPod Nano
Likelyhood: Moderate

6. New Cinema Displays (better specs possibly built-in iSight)
Likelyhood: Moderate

7. Apple Televisions (iTV)
Likelyhood: Low

8. Set-Top Media Machine
Likelyhood: Moderate

9. MacBook Pro with Core 2 Duo (or Merom, however you like to call it)
Likelyhood: Moderate

10. MacBook Pro redesign with better HD access, higher base specs, DL drives and FW800 on 15" model.
Likelyhood: Low to Moderate

[aswitcher]

i present you...

the mediamac:
http://www.twirl.ch/mc/other/mediamac.jpg

I would be happy if it was in aluminium and in black to allow better cooling. But that would be mighty fine.

Would be nice with a usb and firewire port in front as well.

[Balli]

I personally would like a iMovie store from Apple, but only if it offers me something I currently can't get from DVDs.

If Apple offered movies in HD, for a reasonable price, then that would probably persuade me.

But what about the extras that you currently get on DVDs? Will they be included for download as well?

[Applespider]

this event is going to be simulcast in LONDON. Does this mean that movies will be able to be purchased by folks in the UK???

Nope, it's just that Apple Europe have big offices in London and it's easier to get the Euro journalists to fly to London to cover an Apple event than fly em to California - and more effective than just sending the press release.

The last few Jobsnotes/events have been shown in London to a select audience (although used to be out at the BBC) but it's no guarantee that we'll get the services that are being pushed.

[mitchec]

I can't see how Apple can begin an sell movies and not also sell a Media Mac.
It would be like iTMS and no iPods... how well would that work? :rolleyes:

I think your right on the button with this one. iTMS is there to support apple products and as such they are going to want to keep it that way.
If its not an updated ipod the only other product must be some kind of video aiport media device that you can rig up to you TV

[vendettabass]

I'd love that media mac! good work!

[inkswamp]

10 hours? Luxury. I dream of being able to download 2GB in 10 hours.

It'll take me over 4 days.

You have it easy. When I was a kid, in order to download a movie, we had to push two wheelbarrows full of blank paper six miles through the snow to the movie company's headquarters where we had to type the binary codes for the movie file out on a broken typewriter, cart it all home and retype it into the computer which would take 6-8 weeks during which we were allowed no sleep and no bathrooms breaks and only a plate of crusty, stale bread and a glass of filthy water. And when we were done, our dad would beat us around the head and the neck with a rusty railspike... if we were lucky.

(Sorry, couldn't resist carrying on with the Monty Python reference I saw starting up. :D )

[Chundles]

You have it easy. When I was a kid, in order to download a movie, we had to push two wheelbarrows full of blank paper six miles through the snow to the movie company's headquarters where we had to type the binary codes for the movie file out on a broken typewriter, cart it all home and retype it into the computer which would take 6-8 weeks during which we were allowed no sleep and no rest and only a plate of crusty, stale bread and a glass of filthy water. And when we were done, our dad would beat us around the head and the neck with a rusty railspike... if we were lucky.

(Sorry, couldn't resist carrying on with the Monty Python reference I saw starting up. :D )

Round wheels on those wheelbarrows? You were lucky!

We only 'ad square wheels on our wheelbarrows an' they were made out of lead...

[Mac Rules]

Does anybody know where this will be streamed to in London? Will it be in some sort of conference centre just for journalists, or will it be a public stream, maybe to the stores and/or the web?

Cheers

[Chundles]

Does anybody know where this will be streamed to in London? Will it be in some sort of conference centre just for journalists, or will it be a public stream, maybe to the stores and/or the web?

Cheers

If it's anything like the last one that got a stream to Europe it will be just a small room at the BBC somewhere just for invited journalists.

Apple haven't done public/store streams of any events for a long time now. You'll be able to watch it online a little while after the event.

[inkswamp]

Round wheels on those wheelbarrows? You were lucky!

We only 'ad square wheels on our wheelbarrows an' they were made out of lead...

Ooooh... how we used to dream of wheels made out of lead. Ours were made of depleted uranium. :eek:

[daneoni]

Its simple.

We get:
MBP updates and maybe MB updates
10.4.8
Movie Store
6G iPod (not touchscreen) & Nano updates
One More Thing....Media streaming device (Cube re-incarnation) or headless tower (unlikely)

Thats it.

[Cedd]

Ooooh... how we used to dream of wheels made out of lead. Ours were made of depleted uranium. :eek:


You 'ad wheelbarrows and paper! Y'soft southern nancies...We 'ad to remember the binary code in our 'eads and if we got one number wrong our dads would kill us and dance on our shallow graves...

'onestly, kids today. :rolleyes:

[Bengt77]

One would be in form of Airport that we can stream video to my TV on the entertainment room.
Why would we all want to stream video to your TV? ;) :cool: :p :D

[skunk]

You 'ad wheelbarrows and paper! Y'soft southern nancies...We 'ad to remember the binary code in our 'eads and if we got one number wrong our dads would kill us and dance on our shallow graves...You were lucky! We didn't have dads in my day.

[alst]

Not sure if this has been posted on another forum but have a look at the following links, especially the comments by sleepygeek

hmmmmmm....i wonder.....

http://www.macobserver.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48094&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

and

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/43018C50-3B90-464D-97DD-F265C61F23D7.html

[nitynate]

:rolleyes:


Well, my generation, we dont need wheel barrows!

We get 10MB/s connections.



Aye.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

I think your right on the button with this one. iTMS is there to support apple products and as such they are going to want to keep it that way.
If its not an updated ipod the only other product must be some kind of video aiport media device that you can rig up to you TV
How many people wants to see a full lenght movie on an iPod? Why watch it on a 2.5'' when you can watch it on a 42''?
Apple needs to introduce a TiVo like box if they want the movie sales to take off.
First of all, this movie service will, just as in iTMS, not be very profitable for Apple.
Secondly, Apple would just be another movie provider if they just offer movies.
I doubt that is something Jobs could live with...

[Malcster]

Its simple.

We get:
MBP updates and maybe MB updates
10.4.8
Movie Store
6G iPod (not touchscreen) & Nano updates
One More Thing....Media streaming device (Cube re-incarnation) or headless tower (unlikely)

Thats it.

Too early i think for 10.4.8, replace it with iTunes 7 and i think your set ;)

Still not sure they will distract from the movie stuff with MBP, MB or other hardware updates except the streaming video stuff (as it ties into movies)

[Evangelion]

Why watch it on a 2.5'' when you can watch it on a 42''?

Do you usually carry 42" screens with you? No? That's what I thought....

[Am3822]

It would be one of them movie/media thingies, so my pessimistic newb bones inform me.

[mdntcallr]

I am hoping that tuesday brings all of this and more:
video ipod
new flash based ipod
New MBP
New Media Center Mac which can play do pics/aperture/games + more

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Do you usually carry 42" screens with you? No? That's what I thought....
It is excellent that you can play movies it on an iPod, but I hardly think that is enough to launch "screenplay". Most people want to see a movie on a large screen, not a computer or an iPod. Hence Apple need to release a Media Mac filling this gap. It could be as simple as a Mac Mini with a BTO Tv-tuner and a beefed up Frontrow.

[jericho878]

Probably nothing significant but I noticed that all but the standard configuration of the MacBook Pro now ships within 5-7 business days. Last night (Sunday), the same configuration shipped within 3-5 business days.

[kresh]

Not sure if this has been posted on another forum but have a look at the following links, especially the comments by sleepygeek

hmmmmmm....i wonder.....

http://www.macobserver.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48094&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

and

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/43018C50-3B90-464D-97DD-F265C61F23D7.html

I just wanted to say hi Sleepygeek. Nothing like promoting your posts in other forums.

[J@ffa]

If Front Row is going to power the streaming device, Apple are going to have to get it to people. Rolling it as a new OS feature as part of the 10.4.8 update sounds like the way to do that, no?

[Machead III]

Jeez, why do people think Apple will make the movie store/movie management part of iTunes? That would be the worst decision ever, the two mediums and two markets are so vastly different they need two seperate apps!

If Apple can just release an iTunes-like app combining Delicious Library style management with playback and the movie store, they've got a winner.

Bungle it in with the music store like they do with TV shows and keep the horrific video management in iTunes to manage them and a lot of people will be sick of it before long.

[iGary]

To recap:

No MBP, no MB....

iPod video device, maybe movie service and maybe streaming device.

That's it. :)

[ImNoSuperMan]

Apple has over 150 stores in US(or is it 250?). So is it possible if someone wants to Buy or rent a movie he just goes to any of these stores(which will have Optic fibre connectivity with the online store) and download the desired movie on his iPod/Laptop/mini taking no more than 10 minutes. Now this might not sound that great but it should definitely up the sales of iFlicks by atleast 10-15% IMO. All these stores are located in prime locations in big cities. There is a huge number of footfalls in and around these stores. I dont live in US. But if I did and had such a store nearby I`d definitely be renting/buying atleast thrice as much movies than I`d otherwise even if I had a 10 Mbps connection.

It`s just a thought and it might not really be possible. But if possible it can be one of those nice little extras which can help Apple gain on Amazon.

[Chundles]

To recap:

No MBP, no MB....

iPod video device, maybe movie service and maybe streaming device.

That's it. :)

Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The first rule of an Apple Event: You never get all the marbles.

[iGary]

Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The first rule of an Apple Event: You never get all the marbles.

Just trying to hedge off the 5,123 "This is BS, no MBP/MB updates OMG!!!11BBQ" threads. ;)

[kretzy]

Just trying to hedge off the 5,123 "This is BS, no MBP/MB updates OMG!!!11BBQ" threads. ;)
You know it won't work though, don't you? :p

I agree with your assessment though. :)

[Chundles]

Just trying to hedge off the 5,123 "This is BS, no MBP/MB updates OMG!!!11BBQ" threads. ;)

Oh mate, it's gonna be bedlam...

[skunk]

Just trying to hedge off the 5,123 "This is BS, no MBP/MB updates OMG!!!11BBQ" threads. ;)That's "head off", not "hedge off". You of all people should remember that...:)

[iGary]

That's "head off", not "hedge off". You of all people should remember that...:)

I write crap about boats - I'm a fracking pirate not an English major. :)

[zac4mac]

Seems to me the new 24" iMac is the "Media Player" - My two largest "monitors" are my 23" ACD and a 26" old skool TV. I watch DVDs on the ACD, as I get a little bit more picture and a lot more clarity than on my TV.
Seating accommodations in my office aren't as nice as the living room, but oh well...

[MikeDTyke]

I've been doing a bit of thinking about the video airport express rumor thats been doing the rounds.

If you were to take the current AE and add a video out, you'd get a fairly poor user experience. ie. no remote, no control! Also the form factor of the current AE is such that you plug it in and hide it away.

Some might clamour for a wireless remote, but 2 factors limit this possibility, reduced battery life (on wifi) and a poor response through walls (bluetooth). Apple's shown in the past they are quite happy with the reliable and long established infra-red remote.

I believe therefore that the updated AE will appear as a small set top box, in order to have the IR in plain view. The other thing about the set top box. It' aint gonna be some boring grey flat component. Apple will want people to love it as much as the ipod. Therefore i suspect we'll see a distinctly visible design, different to all the other set top's and AV components we have to date. With SJ's love affair with cubes, perhaps this is an opportunity for the Aluminium Media Cube. Small llike 3" with a small hal like blue eye watching our every move. ;)

The other aspect i'd like to touch on is that in order to make these puppies sell like hotcakes, i.e.Cheap, i suspect the aforementioned cube to be very basic dumb terminal. Dependent on a wireless mac or PC for disk and essentially only displaying a frontrow remote display. This of course would mean front row for older macs and pc's.

The other other aspect (Gah i should think about these posts before writing). Is that no one is going to want to run upstairs to their Mac, go on itunes, click on the media store, select Scary movie #17 (more boobs than all the rest), click download. Then run downstairs to the Media cube, finger on button guessing when they can start to play. I therefore think that front row will gain an interface onto the ITMS so that media can be bought from the comfort of the sofa. This will kick off the actual download from upstairs computer and the front row interface will show when the user can start the movie.

Apple have patents for remote displays and specifically buying a item of media on one device and downloading to another. Search Macsimumnews.com if you're really interested.

As i said, this is only a bit of out of the box thinking. I personally hope the device is more intelligent with a HardDisk so if my Mac is powered down, its not completely useless, along with the absolutely essential need to be able to record just like tivo. But here's waiting, should know in about 29 hrs. tick tock, tick tock.

M.

[daneoni]

Jeez, why do people think Apple will make the movie store/movie management part of iTunes? That would be the worst decision ever, the two mediums and two markets are so vastly different they need two seperate apps!

If Apple can just release an iTunes-like app combining Delicious Library style management with playback and the movie store, they've got a winner.

Bungle it in with the music store like they do with TV shows and keep the horrific video management in iTunes to manage them and a lot of people will be sick of it before long.

It could be simple as having two tabs..one for the music store and the other for the movie store.

[MikeDTyke]

Must stop rubbing the credit card, its about to melt. Be still my precious, only 28hrs to go.

[EDIT] Rubbing knees now, seem less important to have knees rather than a working credit card.

M. :D

[daneoni]

Too early i think for 10.4.8, replace it with iTunes 7 and i think your set ;)

Still not sure they will distract from the movie stuff with MBP, MB or other hardware updates except the streaming video stuff (as it ties into movies)

Actually you're right, also knowing Apple, the truth is we won't get MBP/MB updates.

Half of the keynote will go towards demoing the Movie store and pitching it as much as humanly possible & and the other half will go towards iPod updates and one more thing...media device. Thats it. Its the classic keynote we've all come to know. As someone said...you never get all the marbles.

Fact is, we may not see a MBP/MB update till late October. This way, the new iMacs/iPods/Movie store get enough attention first.

[iGary]

I told Rob about the event yesterday...

"Great, all we need is another iPod." :rolleyes:

[kretzy]

I told Rob about the event yesterday...

"Great, all we need is another iPod." :rolleyes:
Poor Rob. :D

If it is something impressive I may just have to get it - seeing as I've never had an iPod (shocking, I know).

[Indiana82]

Jeez, why do people think Apple will make the movie store/movie management part of iTunes?

I agree. That makes no sense. Videos are no music. The moviestore will feature an own app, like "iTheatre" or something like that in an animated cinema style.
I think it's even simpler to make a new app, than to implement all necessary Stuff into iTunes 7.

[milo]

It also leaves the MBP. If it is not updated, I will likely be driven into a mad frenzy where I buy some other brand of laptop. Honestly, the things Apple is forcing me to do...

It won't be updated tomorrow. But it will probably be updated as soon as later this week. Boo freaking hoo already, is it really that big a deal to wait a few days. And here's the big question: IS DELL EVEN SHIPPING MEROM LAPTOPS YET?

They're obviously going to have a movie store, but I probably would rarely if ever use it. I'm just hoping for new nanos (higher capacity for the same price would be fine with me) and airport video. If they just have those two I'll be freaking extatic. Now if only my home network is reliable enough to handle a video stream...

[p0intblank]

Wow, a lot of people are expecting a true iPod video. I really don't see this happening so soon. I expect the following:

iTunes Movie Store (this is a given)
iPod nanos
6G iPods (simply larger capacity and maybe a new feature or two)

I would love to see the true iPod video be announced tomorrow. It'd be great to go alongside the new Movie Store. The rumors have been pretty light lately, though, so I am not expecting that much.

[Chundles]

I told Rob about the event yesterday...

"Great, all we need is another iPod." :rolleyes:

Sounds like he's giving you the go-ahead. Go on Gary, call his bluff.

[milo]

I can't get to excited about this, it will take me 10 hours to download 2GB :eek:

So you're not the target customer. Even that isn't really that big a deal, you can always just pick out your movie at breakfast and have it waiting when you get home from work.

Plus the Mid-Tower Conroe Mac I think.

So why isn't this an option in the poll? I think it's certainly possible.

[Play Ultimate]

Re: movie store - Whatever the final product is, Apple's engineers have spent a lot more time thinking about it than we have in these forums.
More than anything, Apple focuses much more the on the customer's experience so I have faith that the final result will be elegant and work.

[aafuss1]

At least, us Aussies have Telstra Bigpond Movies (but for PC). Apple should add a downlodable iPod games section-featuring new authorized quizeses and other games

[eb6]

Why is it so hard to believe Apple will add movies to iTunes? They already added short films and TV shows.

[jfmartin]

I think Apple is going to show impress us big time tomorrow. Here is what will be announced.

* The iTunes Movie Store (iTunes 6.5 ou 7.0) with a few notable reworking of the iTunes Store to allow the integration of movies. I think if Apple is going to charge 10 buck per movie, it will add a few interesting twist to the 'DRM license' that goes with it and that would be part of the reason why only disney will be offered at first.. . The license is what makes Apple apart of the others... Studios will have to wait a see that the 'relaxed' DRM license Apple is proposing for 9.99$ is better than the others and people will realize that by buying 'in mass' so other Studios will come in... and leave Amazon Unbox... well, in a box !

* iPod nano second gen. Larger screen, new enclosure. 4, 6, 8 gigs. May be a few more surprise in the nano (radio ?, movies playable ? we don't on this one, isn't it ?)

* iPod Video full screen size

* all the iPods with a color screen will be declared iTunes Movie Store aware...

All this will be the first part of the show... then one more thing...

There will be a 'media center' kind of box that will tap Airport Express technology in it and that will tie with iTunes as the source of the movies in the living room... the main interface will be Frontrow 2.0.

I think this the exactly the kind of incremental approach is going to take once again tomorrow to bring us Movies in our living room. A well integrated approach that includes all the piece (iPod, iTunes, Macs, and PC)...

iTunes is definitively the new plateform for content delivery...

:rolleyes:

[Cue]

It's funny to see that people have completely forgotten about the Apple Expo in Paris, also tomorrow :D.

To me it is kinda strange that the expo starts 7 hours prior to the media event. Are they going to keep those black curtains (assuming there are some) during the complete 1st day of the event?

Are there any guarded stands whatsoever in the expo? Is anyone going there tomorrow to report? :)

[p0intblank]

It's funny to see that people have completely forgotten about the Apple Expo in Paris, also tomorrow :D.

To me it is kinda strange that the expo starts 7 hours prior to the media event. Are they going to keep those black curtains (assuming there are some) during the complete 1st day of the event?

Are there any guarded stands whatsoever in the expo? Is anyone going there tomorrow to report? :)

I believe the Sept. 12th event is being streamed to the Apple Paris Expo. Also Steve isn't giving a keynote at that event, only the media one. Anything that is announced by Apple tomorrow will be at the special event.

[milo]

You have a point there. I certainly wouldn't want to attend. But I wasn't saying I would want to. Nor was I saying that any of the eager masses should be able to attend.
The original post by Macrumors implied that this site is shut out of such events. Shutting out representatives sites such as this, which do much to promote Apple products is, I think, to some degree arrogant and perhaps spiteful. This site likes to penetrate Apple's notorious secrecy.

Even if they were invited, you don't seriously think this site has the resources to fly to London? Who cares if they are there, we'll get the news from the billion other sites that will be, and MR will mirror it.

Ever done graphics work or gaming on a laptop?

The graphics chipset makes a huge difference for gaming or 3d graphics like Shake. It doesn't matter at all for things like photoshop or final cut pro.

Has anyone ever considered that the media mac would not be a hardware upgrade to the mini but a software one via itunes 7 or is it just me?

A mini isn't really up to the task, you'd be better off with a more economical machine with some expansion, especially way more hard drive space. Pizza box or mini tower.

Why watch it on a 2.5'' when you can watch it on a 42''?

Try bringing that 42 on a plane. :cool: Apple will do both, tomorrow will bring a streaming solution and higher quality movies. A TIVO box is pointless, an airport can do the same thing cheaper and much more flexibly. I'm not sure why you're so worked up about this, ALL the rumors are saying apple will have a solution for the living room (although it will be an Airport, a new mac model would be secondary), so who exactly are you disagreeing with?

Jeez, why do people think Apple will make the movie store/movie management part of iTunes? That would be the worst decision ever, the two mediums and two markets are so vastly different they need two seperate apps!

If Apple can just release an iTunes-like app combining Delicious Library style management with playback and the movie store, they've got a winner.


Why make a new app when they can just update and improve iTunes? Seems like even you'd be OK with that, since you want "an iTunes-like app".

It's funny to see that people have completely forgotten about the Apple Expo in Paris, also tomorrow :D.

To me it is kinda strange that the expo starts 7 hours prior to the media event. Are they going to keep those black curtains (assuming there are some) during the complete 1st day of the event?

Excellent point. There's no way in hell they'll announce laptops at this event, but they could even announce them earlier the same day from Paris.

[Manic Mouse]

I really think they should have a seperate app for the movies/tv shows, or rename and overhaul iTunes. Making things too complicated and hard to use is something Apple strives against and by incorperating too much functionality into a MUSIC player will make it hard to use and confusing for customers. iTunes, strangely, should be for "tunes". It makes no sense, at least from the name, to think that there would be movies/tv shows in there.

Why not take the DVD-player app in OSX and turn that into the new TV show/Movie player (as well as DVDs) while iTunes plays MP3/CDs. That makes much more sense. You should also be able to rip DVD's though this new app as you would CDs in iTunes.

[ImNoSuperMan]

.... no one is going to want to run upstairs to their Mac, go on itunes, click on the media store, select Scary movie #17 (more boobs than all the rest), click download. Then run downstairs to the Media cube, finger on button guessing when they can start to play. I therefore think that front row will gain an interface onto the ITMS so that media can be bought from the comfort of the sofa. This will kick off the actual download from upstairs computer and the front row interface will show when the user can start the movie.


That wud be a really nice feature IMO. BTW there is another simple solution for the Apple movie store to score over it`s rival. I posted my thoughts earlier in this thread but it seems that the post got buried and not a lot of people saw it. So I m quoting myself here. Please forgive me.:o
Apple has over 150 stores in US(or is it 250?). So is it possible if someone wants to Buy or rent a movie he just goes to any of these stores(which will have Optic fibre connectivity with the online store) and download the desired movie on his iPod/Laptop/mini taking no more than 10 minutes. Now this might not sound that great but it should definitely up the sales of iFlicks by atleast 10-15% IMO. All these stores are located in prime locations in big cities. There is a huge number of footfalls in and around these stores. I dont live in US. But if I did and had such a store nearby I`d definitely be renting/buying atleast thrice as much movies than I`d otherwise even if I had a 10 Mbps connection.

It`s just a thought and it might not really be possible. But if possible it can be one of those nice little extras which can help Apple gain on Amazon.

[Bobthemonkey]

how about this for a scenario

quiet release of C2D MB/MBP at the start of the expo - similar to the imac/mac mini

then his steveness can deliver the full its showtime reel at the special event.

announce movie store, with ipod updates, and full ipod video as 'one more thing'

[Machead III]

how about this for a scenario

quiet release of C2D MB/MBP at the start of the expo - similar to the imac/mac mini

then his steveness can deliver the full its showtime reel at the special event.

announce movie store, with ipod updates, and full ipod video as 'one more thing'

This would be absolute perfection.

[MikeDTyke]

how about this for a scenario

quiet release of C2D MB/MBP at the start of the expo - similar to the imac/mac mini

then his steveness can deliver the full its showtime reel at the special event.

announce movie store, with ipod updates, and full ipod video as 'one more thing'

I think its fair to assume at this stage no macbook/pro updates will be shown tomorrow. All they do is distract from the media/ipod announcements. best you can hope for is a quiet refresh towards the end of this week.

M.

[Coolerking]

I think its fair to assume at this stage no macbook/pro updates will be shown tomorrow. All they do is distract from the media/ipod announcements. best you can hope for is a quiet refresh towards the end of this week.

M.

Or later today. Although with 9/11 being at the forefront of the news I doubt it.

Early tomorrow would be best.

[netdog]

beatles

[jfmartin]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple is hosting (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060905144401.shtml) a media event on Tuesday, September 12th 2006 in San Francisco, CA at 10AM Pacific. The event will also be simulcast to a location in London (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060831122800.shtml) where journalists have also been invited.

The invitation to the media was entitled It's Showtime (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060905144401.shtml) -- suggesting Movie-related announcements. Rumors sites had originally expected (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904073025.shtml) iMac updates during the event, but Apple surprised everyone with iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906091309.shtml) and Mac mini updates (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906094056.shtml) last week.

This leaves iPods (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904073025.shtml), a Movie Store (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060906185220.shtml) and the possibility of a new streaming Media device (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060904194920.shtml) for the Tuesday event.

As usual, a number of anonymous images have been circulating claiming to represent upcoming products, but these are all considered to be fake. Other circumstantial evidence (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ipods-invisible-in-ads-199610.php) has been reported, but no definitive information on the event.

As always, MacRumors will provide continuing coverage, however, access to these events have become more restricted, so please contact us (http://mailto:webmaster@macrumors.com?Subject=Showtime Coverage) if you are attending.

I think Apple is going to show impress us big time tomorrow. Here is what will be announced.

* The iTunes Movie Store (iTunes 6.5 ou 7.0) with a few notable reworking of the iTunes Store to allow the integration of movies. I think if Apple is going to charge 10 buck per movie, it will add a few interesting twist to the 'DRM license' that goes with it and that would be part of the reason why only disney will be offered at first.. . The license is what makes Apple apart of the others... Studios will have to wait a see that the 'relaxed' DRM license Apple is proposing for 9.99$ is better than the others and people will realize that by buying 'in mass' so other Studios will come in... and leave Amazon Unbox... well, in a box !

* iPod nano second gen. Larger screen, new enclosure. 4, 6, 8 gigs. May be a few more surprise in the nano (radio ?, movies playable ? we don't on this one, isn't it ?)

* iPod Video full screen size

* all the iPods with a color screen will be declared iTunes Movie Store aware...

All this will be the first part of the show... then one more thing...

There will be a 'media center' kind of box that will tap Airport Express technology in it and that will tie with iTunes as the source of the movies in the living room... the main interface will be Frontrow 2.0.

I think this the exactly the kind of incremental approach is going to take once again tomorrow to bring us Movies in our living room. A well integrated approach that includes all the piece (iPod, iTunes, Macs, and PC)...

iTunes is definitively the new plateform for content delivery...
:rolleyes:

[Porchland]

I haven't seen any rumors of this, but I would love to see an Apple-branded Comcast HD/DVR box. My Motorola set-top box already has the killer app that everyone wants to see from a IP-streaming device: HD movies on demand for $4 a pop. But the interface is slow and clunky, and Apple would do a much better job.

As I've said here before, I'm not all that interested in an iTMS TV/movie store unless it replaces my cable, i.e., gives me most of the TV content I want for a flat monthly rate and movies at $4 each.

[Machead III]

It could be simple as having two tabs..one for the music store and the other for the movie store.

By that logic you could tab all of iLife in one app. Or tab the entire Adobe suit in a single window.

Movies and music are different media with different means of consumption, different lengths, different technology, different file sizes, different meta-information etc. etc.

Whatever their solution it has to be "as good as" two apps, almost non of the same rules apply to movies as do to music.

[Porchland]

beatles

And Radiohead.

I wonder about these two -- three before Dave Matthews Band came aboard -- everytime there's a major music announcement.

[mi5moav]

Can't wait, especially for photokina. Hopefully, that new Apple VideoCamera will make it's appearance. I need one so badly. My brother is having a kid and I need something youtube. Can't wait Can't wait.

[-hh]

Apple has over 150 stores in US(or is it 250?). So is it possible if someone wants to Buy or rent a movie he just goes to any of these stores(which will have Optic fibre connectivity with the online store) and download the desired movie on his iPod/Laptop/mini taking no more than 10 minutes. Now this might not sound that great but it should definitely up the sales of iFlicks by atleast 10-15% IMO. All these stores are located in prime locations in big cities. There is a huge number of footfalls in and around these stores...It`s just a thought and it might not really be possible...

One of the more interesting comments I've seen here.

If you think about the success of iTunes, much of it has been in the "long tail" of obscure music that gets a new chance to be sold, rather than just the Top 10 (or 20) mainstream hits that you would normally find in your local record store (Tower Records, etc).

The same also holds true with NetFlix: because the customer effectively "mail orders" his movie from a centralized distributor, he has more choices than what he finds in the local Blockbuster, since their distribution model suffers from shelf space being finite inside a brick-n-mortar store.


So where is this going?

Cross the concept of using the brick-&-mortar's storefront (Apple's) the the essentially "BTO" feature for buying DVD's of Netflix.

You order your movie online, then go pick it up at your local Apple store where they've freshly downloaded (across their GB connection), burned it to DVD (with copy protections) and stuck in a jewelbox for you.


Managing your consumers to prevent friday afternoon rushes can be built into the price structure: all movies are, say, $14.99, but there's a $5 discount for 12 hour notice and an extra 'rush' $5 handling fee if you order it in-store as a 'while you wait'.

What's in it for Apple? Besides the sale of movies themselves, its one way to increase foot traffic in your stores, for anytime a consumer is in the store, there might be an add-on sale or two.

In theory, Apple could make this a rental service model as well if they wanted to, but I consider that to be fairly unlikely. Similarly, a simliar idea could be done with the localized publishing (at the Apple Store) of iPhoto books ... what all of these ideas have in common is to reduce the delay in delayed gratification.


-hh

[aafuss1]

Excellent!
Good find!

I'd like to see iPod5/6th Gen tubes, similar to the nano's.

[-hh]

beatles

That explains London, in spades.


-hh

[Chundles]

Can't wait, especially for photokina. Hopefully, that new Apple VideoCamera will make it's appearance. I need one so badly. My brother is having a kid and I need something youtube. Can't wait Can't wait.

What new Apple video camera? I've not heard a single rumour relating to Apple releasing a camera. I think Photokina is just going to herald an updated version of Aperture and the updated MacBook Pro - if Apple do anything at Photokina at all. They may just be holding an information session.

[netdog]

6G iPods (simply larger capacity and maybe a new feature or two)




I would have to call such a thing 5.1G so let's hope Steve does better than that.

[mkrishnan]

I expect Tuesday will be a good day for the fight against prostate cancer (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=32726).

Other than that, who knows? :D I don't expect the thing I lust after -- a Flash-based sub-notebook -- to be quite ready for primetime by tomorrow. :( Or to have anything to do with the theme of the announcement.

I'm betting some combination of:

1) Video streaming router
2) Enhancement to Front Row
3) Videos being sold in iTMS
4) Enhancement of iPods in relation to these features plus perhaps some silent upgrades like capacity on the Nano

[Porchland]

Seems to me the new 24" iMac is the "Media Player" - My two largest "monitors" are my 23" ACD and a 26" old skool TV. I watch DVDs on the ACD, as I get a little bit more picture and a lot more clarity than on my TV.
Seating accommodations in my office aren't as nice as the living room, but oh well...

It wouldn't be a huge leap for Apple to super-size the 24-inch iMac into 42-inch and 52-inch displays. The architecture of the iMac is well-suited to a plasma display.

[rtharper]

It won't be updated tomorrow. But it will probably be updated as soon as later this week. Boo freaking hoo already, is it really that big a deal to wait a few days. And here's the big question: IS DELL EVEN SHIPPING MEROM LAPTOPS YET?


No, but they're not playing games with my rather fragile heart =(

[Teddy's]

And Radiohead.
I wonder about these two -- three before Dave Matthews Band came aboard -- everytime there's a major music announcement.

If they add the "album only" feature to *All* Radiohead's songs, more bands will follow. Mostly for marketing reasons. There are lots of those crappy "Radiohead wannabes - ohhhhhh our songs should not be outside their album":mad:

Now, I can't wait for tomorrow's event!

[Sky Blue]

If they add the "album only" feature to *All* Radiohead's songs, more bands will follow. Mostly for marketing reasons. There are lots of those crappy "Radiohead wannabes - ohhhhhh our songs should not be outside their album":mad:

Now, I can't wait for tomorrow's event!


I think Radiohead is a good beat for iTunes when their new album is out. They've just signed a new deal.

[Evangelion]

It is excellent that you can play movies it on an iPod, but I hardly think that is enough to launch "screenplay". Most people want to see a movie on a large screen, not a computer or an iPod.

Is there any reason why you couldn't do both?

[Xenious]

While I am excited I'm still not convienced we can conquer the bandwidth issues for higher resolution sources. What I would really like to see (yes I'm dreaming, copywrite, etc) is iTunes to let me do what I do for music with my movies. I realize you can do this today, but lets make it built in and easy. I put a DVD in and iTunes asks me if I want to "rip" it into my video library. The fattest download pipe is when I buy a DVD off the shelf and take it home.

At 15$ a pop I'd rather have a physical DVD. I'm one of the odd ones that was/is hoping for rental subscriptions. I would like the same model as netflix except with the downloads. I pay a monthly fee and can download and watch x movies at the same time. The beauty over netflix there is if I want to watch a movie, I can have it relatively faster then waiting for it to ship.

Finally I of course want a real video ipod. Even if the content isn't all available yet from iTunes, I can make my own and will have the new hardware form factor. One year and holding I am waiting to upgrade my old 3G ipod with dying battery.
-jim

[milo]

My Motorola set-top box already has the killer app that everyone wants to see from a IP-streaming device: HD movies on demand for $4 a pop.

Doesn't that require having cable TV?

No, but they're not playing games with my rather fragile heart =(

I don't see how announcing something but not shipping it is better than not announcing something and not shipping it. Either way, you have no computer. Threatening to buy a dell is pretty empty until Dell actually makes that possible.

[Peace]

10.4.8 will be a necessary update for what's released tomorrow.
At least if one wishes to buy it and use it.So 10.4.8 will be out in the next couple of days.

[Prom1]

Appple iPhone to be released. Thats my bet and no I havent YET gone to any other news site or Apple's site.

[Xenious]

If they add the "album only" feature to *All* Radiohead's songs, more bands will follow. Mostly for marketing reasons. There are lots of those crappy "Radiohead wannabes - ohhhhhh our songs should not be outside their album":mad:

Now, I can't wait for tomorrow's event!

If we get more album only things, you might as well buy the CD instead. Nothing upsets me more than an entire album on itunes which is album only.

[misterbee6]

I bought the new Bob Dylan album a few days a go from the iTunes store. It comes with some bonus tracks that are videos of some older songs. I was listeningto the album yesterday, streaming the audio to the Airport Express connected to my stereo.

After it played the last song on the album, when it got to the videos, all of a sudden itunes stopped streaming the data to my AE, and started playing thru the PB speakers. I certainly didnt expect it to do that, but it did make me wonder:

Are we about to see a new piece of tech that will allow those videos to stream as well as the audio?

[mazola]

I'm guessing it has something to do with this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284490/).

[supremedesigner]

I think Apple is going to show impress us big time tomorrow. Here is what will be announced.

* The iTunes Movie Store (iTunes 6.5 ou 7.0) with a few notable reworking of the iTunes Store to allow the integration of movies. I think if Apple is going to charge 10 buck per movie, it will add a few interesting twist to the 'DRM license' that goes with it and that would be part of the reason why only disney will be offered at first.. . The license is what makes Apple apart of the others... Studios will have to wait a see that the 'relaxed' DRM license Apple is proposing for 9.99$ is better than the others and people will realize that by buying 'in mass' so other Studios will come in... and leave Amazon Unbox... well, in a box !

* iPod nano second gen. Larger screen, new enclosure. 4, 6, 8 gigs. May be a few more surprise in the nano (radio ?, movies playable ? we don't on this one, isn't it ?)

* iPod Video full screen size

* all the iPods with a color screen will be declared iTunes Movie Store aware...

All this will be the first part of the show... then one more thing...

There will be a 'media center' kind of box that will tap Airport Express technology in it and that will tie with iTunes as the source of the movies in the living room... the main interface will be Frontrow 2.0.

I think this the exactly the kind of incremental approach is going to take once again tomorrow to bring us Movies in our living room. A well integrated approach that includes all the piece (iPod, iTunes, Macs, and PC)...

iTunes is definitively the new plateform for content delivery...
:rolleyes:

Actually, how about vPod instead? I believe it's easier to say that than Video iPod. It'd be nice if I own that name haha and sell it million of $$ to apple haha

[MarcelV]

Actually, how about vPod instead? I believe it's easier to say that than Video iPod.
And the logic here is..... iPod = iPod with iusic? If Apple had that logic, we would have seen an mPod, right? Or pPod for the iPod Photo. But I have seen them doing thinks that would throw real logic out of the door, before, so yeah, why not vPod for the video one.

[xfiftyfour]

i'm trying to not get my hopes up on this one.. mostly because I expect that it'll just be the movie store, and that really doesn't excite me very much. I'm not the type to buy DVDs, or watch a movie more than once unless I have to.. so paying $15 for a DVD to watch on a small screen isn't as appealing as heading to my blockbuster and paying $4 to watch it once on my TV and then move on.

But boy.. if a new iPod comes out.. I'm gunna have to go work the streets tomorrow night so I can afford one.. er. ;)

[sonicboom]

I haven't seen any rumors of this, but I would love to see an Apple-branded Comcast HD/DVR box. My Motorola set-top box already has the killer app that everyone wants to see from a IP-streaming device: HD movies on demand for $4 a pop. But the interface is slow and clunky, and Apple would do a much better job.

Nope... Tivo is already in bed with comcast and cox. They will be providing the new interface for the motorola STB (probably by the end of the year).

[Chupa Chupa]

I really expect all of the above - though "true video iPod" and 6G iPod I think are one in the same. The only logical way to have a widescreen iPod is to have a virtual scroll wheel.

As for the movie store...I think I remember SJ in an interview awhile back saying, while he likes the purchase model for music, movies lend themselves to the subscription model because most people only watch a movie once or twice, Star Wars geeks notwithstanding. So I think the movie store is going to be like a true movie store. If you want to buy a movie you can, but the emphasis will be more on a NetFlix type model. A $15/mo sub gets you 3 movies at a time, unlimited d/ls per mo. Alternatively, you could rent a single movie for $4, viewable for a week or so. For people who don't have time to convert a DVD to an iPod viewable format that makes sense. Buying for $15 or $10 isn't going to excite anyone I don't think.

[bryanc]

dont forget the mbp revision



that will never happen

I hope you don't mean "never"... but I agree it's not likely to be tomorrow, unless it's tossed in as an aside ("We've released a bunch of great new products today... but what I want to tell you about is how you can use them to access movies through iTMS....").

Someday they'll have to update the MBPs, and I'm hoping it will be soon, because I need a new laptop!

[bryanc]

10 hours? Luxury. I dream of being able to download 2GB in 10 hours.

It'll take me over 4 days.

Hrumpf... When I was a lad, we used to have to chisel the ones and zeros into a stone tablet with our fingernails, carry them to and from the server 5 miles through a snowstorm (uphill, both ways), only to have our father delete them, kill us outright, and dance about on our graves singin' hallelujah!

Cheers

[Cobrien]

And the logic here is..... iPod = iPod with iusic? If Apple had that logic, we would have seen an mPod, right? Or pPod for the iPod Photo. But I have seen them doing thinks that would throw real logic out of the door, before, so yeah, why not vPod for the video one.

What if its pronounce "vaye-pod" rhyming with iPod.

Or am I just clutching at straws.

[milo]

As for the movie store...I think I remember SJ in an interview awhile back saying, while he likes the purchase model for music, movies lend themselves to the subscription model because most people only watch a movie once or twice, Star Wars geeks notwithstanding. So I think the movie store is going to be like a true movie store. If you want to buy a movie you can, but the emphasis will be more on a NetFlix type model. A $15/mo sub gets you 3 movies at a time, unlimited d/ls per mo. Alternatively, you could rent a single movie for $4, viewable for a week or so. For people who don't have time to convert a DVD to an iPod viewable format that makes sense. Buying for $15 or $10 isn't going to excite anyone I don't think.

I doubt a download service would be able to offer unlimited movie downloads, at least not for a price next to netflix. Netflix "unlimited" movies really aren't because they are limited by the speed of the post office (and artificially limited even more by Netflix if you watch too many).

[airamerica]

Consider this, the upcoming keynote is NOT given by SJ but by one of the other Apple senior team members - following his (Steve’s) below par performance last time out... Now this news would be bigger than anything else. I’d even suggest that if he shares any floor-time with anyone else things are not looking good!

BTW I hope I am very, very, wrong and we are all talking about amazing new products by this time tomorrow.

[Peace]

Consider this, the upcoming keynote is NOT given by SJ but by one of the other Apple senior team members - following his (Steve’s) below par performance last time out... Now this news would be bigger than anything else. I’d even suggest that if he shares any floor-time with anyone else things are not looking good!

BTW I hope I am very, very, wrong and we are all talking about amazing new products by this time tomorrow.


Considering the Keynote isn't till 10AM tomorrow I doubt we will be talking about amazing new products this time tomorrow ;)

We will be speculating though :)

[syklee26]

airport extreme base station has wait time of 1-3 weeks.

new version that streams video might be on the way.

[Chupa Chupa]

I doubt a download service would be able to offer unlimited movie downloads, at least not for a price next to netflix. Netflix "unlimited" movies really aren't because they are limited by the speed of the post office (and artificially limited even more by Netflix if you watch too many).

Except that under NetFlix, theortically (and I know people do this) you could get the DVDs, rip them, and send them back same day. Under a d/l scheme, you can only view the movies with a license. You only get, say 3 licenses. So you'd have to physically watch the movie, if you wanted to see it, before getting more. That would act as a brake on how many d/ls an avg. customer would make a month because most people only have time to watch 2-5 DVDs a month...if that. As for those who abuse the system, nothing to stop Apple from cutting people off just like Netflix does.

[mazola]

Isn't it about time they update their .Mac offerings too?

[ChipperVW]

Hoping there's a new iPod worth buying. I just sold my 5G iPod and 4GB Nano last night!

:D

[UmaThurman]

Not to add onto the whining about merom notebooks, but I thought people a little while back were saying they'd be coming on the apple event on the 12th...:confused:

[milo]

Except that under NetFlix, theortically (and I know people do this) you could get the DVDs, rip them, and send them back same day. Under a d/l scheme, you can only view the movies with a license. You only get, say 3 licenses. So you'd have to physically watch the movie, if you wanted to see it, before getting more. That would act as a brake on how many d/ls an avg. customer would make a month because most people only have time to watch 2-5 DVDs a month...if that. As for those who abuse the system, nothing to stop Apple from cutting people off just like Netflix does.

Even if you rip the DVD's from netflix (or just watch them immediately and send them back), you're still limited by the speed of the post office. With unlimited downloads, you could watch three or four movies a day if you had time (I doubt most Netflix users are only watching 2-5 DVD's a month, if they do they might be better off renting normally). The "brake" allows much fewer with Netflix. And if you really promise "unlimited", watching a ton isn't really abusing the system, is it? Apple would have to either have a monthly cap or raise prices.

Not to add onto the whining about merom notebooks, but I thought people a little while back were saying they'd be coming on the apple event on the 12th...:confused:

That was before the invites were sent. They won't be at the event, but they'll show up in the next week or so.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Isn't it about time they update their .Mac offerings too?

Maybe there's .mac integration with movies...shrug

Either way, it's "been about time for an update" since .mac came out :p

[Bez]

A wi-fi enabled NAS-box that sits next to your TV. It will be able to play files firectly to the telly, without your computer being on.

It will be controlled by a thing that looks just like an iPod. This wi-fi device gives you access to your media, using an iPod-like menu structure. This remote tells the NAS-box what to play. Video is not streamed wirelessly, since that requires too much bandwidth. Instead, the NAS-box is connected directly to the TV.

But the NAS box can also stream audio, via Airport Express, to hi-fis. Multiple strreams can be supported, and additional remotes can be added to the system to enable users in different parts of the house to listen to different things.

You computer need not be on for all this to operate. Although it is needed for management and perhaps downloading.

I know this because I emailled Apple a year or two back to suggest it. And its such an ace idea, I am sure they listened.

:)

(Edited for typos)

[nplima]

Hi all


This debate about video downloads, DRM, small screens vs. big screens, etc. just makes me suspicious of one thing: the iPod brandname is just too good to take chances with it.

As Steve Jobs said in the original presentation of iPod, music is something that relates to everyone. this product can be sold to anyone, and the related services have to make sense from the point of view of Mac and PC users alike. This doesn't happen with video, IMHO.. there are just too may details that prevent TV and video to appeal to everyone.. different film ratings, different availability of broadband, NTSC vs. PAL TV sets (to plug your "vPod" to), ...

I an't wait to see what is coming out of this new presentation, but I'm hoping for something less revolutionary. It's not the fault of Apple Computer that things are complicated sometimes... the iPod product is good as is, it would be strange to taint its name with a launch of a video service with 1/10 of the reach of iTunes/iPod...

[thegreatunknown]

this is probably old news but meh, what the hell:

http://iphone.org

[quigleybc]

The only things comin out are the Video Rental service, and a size increase for the Nano.

Move along.

[daneoni]

Not to add onto the whining about merom notebooks, but I thought people a little while back were saying they'd be coming on the apple event on the 12th...:confused:

Yeah, that was prior to the invites sent out. Jobs from experience will be pitching the movie store hard..meaning the laptop updates have to take a back seat for now. I mean they announced a 24" iMac quietly just to give you an idea of how important this is to them. Laptop updates? i wouldnt count on it...at least for now

[AdeFowler]

The advantage of integrating the movie service into iTunes is obvious; it's already installed on millions of computers. Okay, it'll need an update but people love all that. I'm not so sure people want another media player (unboxed for example).

What Apple need to do is tidy iTunes up. The Library's a big enough mess with videos, PDFs, Podcasts etc.

[p0intblank]

The only things comin out are the Video Rental service, and a size increase for the Nano.

Move along.

I have to disagree. What makes you think Apple is going to go with only a video rental service? Apple is all about wanting their users being able to "own" content, not borrow it. If anything, they'll go the route of Amazon and allow the user to choose to either own or rent it.

And size increase for the iPod nano sounds very likely, but I expect Apple to do something with the 5G iPod also. Whether it's increase storage capacities or a true fullscreen model, anything works for me.

[daneoni]

I have to disagree. What makes you think Apple is going to go with only a video rental service?

Rumor has it Steve wasn't able to secure download rights..only rental. Guess we'll find out by this time tomorrow.

[Peace]

The only things comin out are the Video Rental service, and a size increase for the Nano.

Move along.

If that were the case Jobs would have waited till Tomorrow to introduce the 24" iMac for greater RDF/PR content.

[gadget1974]

Yeah, that was prior to the invites sent out. Jobs from experience will be pitching the movie store hard..meaning the laptop updates have to take a back seat for now. I mean they announced a 24" iMac quietly just to give you an idea of how important this is to them. Laptop updates? i wouldnt count on it...at least for now

Agree with you! Also, people tend to forget that Apple split into two divisions - one media and one computers (not the official titles, but that's basically how it works). Anyone who has worked in a large company knows that those two divisions will not cooperate because that's what always happens. Expect only iPod related stuff this week because it's the iPod group's big event. Why would they give the glory away to the other guys? :rolleyes:

[Coolerking]

I bet ya a Core 2 Duo processor in my new macbook that Apple will be showcasing some more (of the cooler) applications in Leopard. I wouldn't be suprised if they sync up to a new Ipod or Iphone.

You heard it here first.
:cool:

[Reach]

Yeah, that was prior to the invites sent out. Jobs from experience will be pitching the movie store hard..meaning the laptop updates have to take a back seat for now. I mean they announced a 24" iMac quietly just to give you an idea of how important this is to them. Laptop updates? i wouldnt count on it...at least for now
Well, laptops is what Apple is selling tons of these days. Who knows, maybe they want to ride that wave even harder, pushing all the people that see their friends beautiful Macbooks to buy Apples brand new Macbook Pro with Core2Duo. ;) Yes, I want to order one already..

[ictiosapiens]

Yep, downloadable TV shows, movies for purchase or rent, iPhoto photobooks/prints/calendars/cards etc.

Who gives a rat's? Not me because we can't use any of them.

Yes you can, get yourself some US Itunes gift certificate codes on ebay, and enjoy...

[cfanyc]

is paris expo still on tomorrow? seems like its been totally pushed under the rug with the media event...

wonder if that was the plan? if theres any hope for mbp's I would imagine it would be @ paris

[Coolerking]

is paris expo still on tomorrow? seems like its been totally pushed under the rug with the media event...

wonder if that was the plan? if theres any hope for mbp's I would imagine it would be @ paris

What time does the expo start? and the media event?

[maddonkey]

Has anybody noticed that the shipping times for all Macbooks have gone up to 5-7 days?

[Coolerking]

Has anybody noticed that the shipping times for all Macbooks have gone up to 5-7 days?

Yep. I ordered mine last week and its not even shipping till the 18th. Many have said that that is the result of the end of the macbook + ipod promo. It could also be something else...

[Chris Bangle]

Whats the Paris expo, Never heard of that before, are you sure it exists? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Coolerking]

Whats the Paris expo, Never heard of that before, are you sure it exists? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Read up son!
:)

http://www.apple-expo.com/

[Multimedia]

Whats the Paris expo, Never heard of that before, are you sure it exists? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Paris Apple Expo is headl every September in Paris France (http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/). It is the largest European Apple Exposition like the January San Francisco MacWorld Expo is the largest in America.

[Chris Bangle]

Ok Ok, I was trying to be sarcastic but it didnt work... More mportantly amazon UK shipping all Macbooks in 1-2 weeks and apple uk shipping in a week....... I sense an update.

P.S I dont deserve to be here if i didnt know what Apple Expo is.

[daneoni]

Ok Ok, I was trying to be sarcastic but it didnt work... More mportantly amazon UK shipping all Macbooks in 1-2 weeks and apple uk shipping in a week....... I sense an update.

...or back to school rush

[Megaman]

Am I the only one hoping that Apple adds Firewire use to the iPods again?

[Coolerking]

...or back to school rush

We'll find out tomorrow

BTW...what is the high end Merom processor? Is there a lower end processor? If there is the higher, faster one would go into the MBP while the lower end C2D is in the MB so you still have a discrepancy that warrants a higher price point.

:cool:

[Chris Bangle]

Am I the only one hoping that Apple adds Firewire use to the iPods again?


I want firewire aswell usb 1 is far toooo slow. How my sposed to transfer films with USB, It will take all day.

[milo]

The only things comin out are the Video Rental service, and a size increase for the Nano.

Move along.

Should we laugh at you now, or wait until the announcment? :rolleyes:

Rumor has it Steve wasn't able to secure download rights..only rental. Guess we'll find out by this time tomorrow.

What's your source? Every rumor site I've seen (and especially Appleinsider, which has the best record lately) says sales.

I want firewire aswell usb 1 is far toooo slow. How my sposed to transfer films with USB, It will take all day.

With USB2, which transfers to iPod about the same speed as FW.

[Megaman]

With USB2, which transfers to iPod about the same speed as FW.
No its not. Fast, but not as fast.

[minnesotamacman]

I think tomorrow morning we could see the Apple Store online close for awhile as they update. When it reopens for your consumption, we will see updates to the MBP and the MacBook. This will silence all those who wanted an upgrade to them, and really set the table for an incredible show at 10:00 Pacific Time.

I do want to say this though... Why are some people never happy and insist that if Apple doesn't upgrade the MBP they are going to buy a PC? This is, in my humble opinion, ridiculous. I would stick with the current generation of the MBP for OS X alone. Nothing could convince me to use a Windows-based computer. NOTHING. I am typing on a current generation, 2.16 GHz MBP, and I like it. Will I be slightly disappointed when the new ones come out and I have the last generation. Most likely. Will I be upset at Apple? No. This laptop happily does everything I ask of it. Yes I could use another 100 GB of memory, but that isn't going to happen anyways.

I see an update to the laptops every 4-6 months in the future after this latest update. The speeds will keep creeping up, and the prices stay steady.

[BRLawyer]

What we are gonna see tomorrow:

- iTMS Movie Store;

- new Nanos 6 and 8Gb in anodized metal;

- slightly updated iPod with 80Gb;

- Airport Express Video.

And NOTHING ELSE...don't dare dream about updated MBs or MBPs...these have NOTHING to do with a special event on movies and multimedia...sorry to burst your bubble...SJ told me that already... :rolleyes:

[zimtheinvader]

80mbps faster actually.

A true video ipod w/ FW800 would be very sweet though, if they can fit in the components.

[bowens]

this is probably old news but meh, what the hell:

http://iphone.org

Nobody else seems interested, so they must have already seen it, but I have not. That's pretty interesting.

[Multimedia]

We'll find out tomorrow

BTW...what is the high end Merom processor? Is there a lower end processor? If there is the higher, faster one would go into the MBP while the lower end C2D is in the MB so you still have a discrepancy that warrants a higher price point. :cool:Top Merom is 2.33GHz and should be standard on both top 15" and 17" models - def the 17". Bottom of Merom is 1.66GHz and 1.83GHz with a 2MB shared L2 cache. 2GHz, 2.16GHz and 2.33GHz models have a 4MB shared L2 cache.

That's why the 2GHz Merom MacBook will be such a strategicly positioned superior product for the money and why the mini will still be crippled even when it switches to C2D at the same speeds. 2.33GHz is only 16.5% faster - not so much that you would even notice most of the time.

Only reason Merom MBP may not be announced tomorrow is for marketing reasons - not because it isn't ready. While they continue to manufacture them and build up a large inventory, we may have to endure these other product announcements so Apple can get all the heat focused on them until later this month when they can have the new MBP deployed worldwide in large quantities and be able to say "on sale today." and "Let the feeding frenzy begin."

On the other hand, because of Apple-Expo Paris, I think the MBP still has a better than 50% chance of being introduced tomorrow. Three years ago they introduced the revoluitonary Aluminium 15" PowerMac G4's @1.25GHz with USB 2 and FW 800 for the first time in a mobile Mac. I bought one a month later when Panther was introduced.

[milo]

No its not. Fast, but not as fast.

I can't find it now, but one of the mac websites did iPod transfer speed benchmarks on USB2 vs firewire, and the difference was negligible. I know the spec is different, but in real world tests they were virtually identical.

[daneoni]

What's your source? Every rumor site I've seen (and especially Appleinsider, which has the best record lately) says sales.

I'd tell you but then i'd have to kill you.

[Coolerking]

Top Merom is 2.33GHz and should be standard on both top 15" and 17" models - def the 17". Bottom of Merom is 1.66GHz.

Thanks!

[Peace]

I still can't help but wonder what Apple is going to do with the Conroe CPU if anything.

[timmillwood]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2006/09/sept12pic.jpg

FAKE?

[milo]

FAKE?

Read the thread. (HINT: yes)

[pyramid6]

Why couldn't apple mail a movie to you via USPS? Pop it into your <insert favorite Mac flavor> and have it automaticly import into iTunes library. There is no way I would download a 2g file to watch a movie. 2g is way too big to download. Compare that to music, 5mb on the high end. 2g is 400 times the size. I don't see downloading as a viable option, atleast not at the resolution that makes it competitive with DVD.

PS I think downloadable movies sounds great, but I don't think it is practicle.

[Peace]

Why couldn't apple mail a movie to you via USPS? Pop it into your <insert favorite Mac flavor> and have it automaticly import into iTunes library. There is no way I would download a 2g file to watch a movie. 2g is way too big to download. Compare that to music, 5mb on the high end. 2g is 400 times the size. I don't see downloading as a viable option, atleast not at the resolution that makes it competitive with DVD.

PS I think downloadable movies sounds great, but I don't think it is practicle.

Apple wouldn't do that because NetFlix already does.

[J@ffa]

Apple wouldn't do that because NetFlix already does.

Well, I read a similar idea to this either here or on AppleInsider. Selling the movies at Apple stores, and getting the unlock key for the DRM once you get home or somesuch.

[bradc]

Just trying to hedge off the 5,123 "This is BS, no MBP/MB updates OMG!!!11BBQ" threads. ;)


Gary you forgot the MacTower miss-spellings of 'Merom', how everything is pin compatible, everyone is an engineer/marketing/business pro and if anything does get released there is something wrong with it.

and.....
pyramid6 wrote
Why couldn't apple mail a movie to you via USPS? Pop it into your <insert favorite Mac flavor> and have it automaticly import into iTunes library. There is no way I would download a 2g file to watch a movie. 2g is way too big to download. Compare that to music, 5mb on the high end. 2g is 400 times the size. I don't see downloading as a viable option, atleast not at the resolution that makes it competitive with DVD.

PS I think downloadable movies sounds great, but I don't think it is practicle.

What rock are you living under?? A 5mb file is high end? Haha Why do you think the RIAA & MPAA are scared? It's soooooo easy to download music & movies illegally. Or look at YouTube, god knows how many 10mb videos are downloaded each second.

[mi5moav]

I just want to laugh at everyone when they release the Quicktake videocamera with a 60Gig HD and HD 1/3 CCD. What a beautiful videocamera. Life is good. Of course probably won't see this till Photokina but oh, well.

[sann1657]

Should we really be so confidently predicting that there'll be no MBP or MB upgrades because they "take away" from the excitement of the Media announcements? Surely, 99% of the population couldn't care less when a chip is upgraded, and won't even notice the change. Sure, it might take away from the excitement for some of us geeks on here, but for a lot of people, won't it be a complete non-event, easily eclipsed by the shiny new media stuff?

[SiCbe]

so I was looking around the apple store this afternoon till I noticed something :D

When selecting the MBP in the apple store you'll get some info below...
There's this one title where it shows front row... it says "It's showtime" :)

maybe it's a hint from apple :rolleyes: the MBP is the onle one where it says "it's showtime". the rest all say something else like "put on a show"...

ah well I'm just going crazy from waiting for the new MBP's...

(first post though I've been reading here for a long time)

[1984]

What we should get:

Movie Service with 1280x720 movies, Airport Extreme AV with composite, s-video and hdmi outputs.

What we will get:

Movie service with 320x240 movies, Airport Express AV with compostie and s-video only.

:(

[Josias]

so I was looking around the apple store this afternoon till I noticed something :D

When selecting the MBP in the apple store you'll get some info below...
There's this one title where it shows front row... it says "It's showtime" :)

maybe it's a hint from apple :rolleyes: the MBP is the onle one where it says "it's showtime". the rest all say something else like "put on a show"...

ah well I'm just going crazy from waiting for the new MBP's...

(first post though I've been reading here for a long time)

Ahhh, smart boy!;)

But I think that is more coincidental than actually ledaing to a point...

Welcome to MR! :D

[adamfilip]

New Apple 30" 1080p IPOD
with Backpack straps for easy transport

[The Toon Master]

My friend, who's cousin works at apple, says that he told him that Movies will be available soon, and an onslaught of new tv shows. The movies would be divided by comedy, horror, etc, and movies include Boogyman, Exorcism of Emily Rose, and he said that apple was trying to get the Inyuasha Movies as well. Ptricing might be 3-5 dollars

rememeber, none of this has been confirmed by apple

[rtharper]

New Apple 30" 1080p IPOD
with Backpack straps for easy transport

touchscreen?

[BRLawyer]

My friend, who's cousin works at apple, says that he told him that Movies will be available soon, and an onslaught of new tv shows. The movies would be divided by comedy, horror, etc, and movies include Boogyman, Exorcism of Emily Rose, and he said that apple was trying to get the Inyuasha Movies as well. Ptricing might be 3-5 dollars

rememeber, none of this has been confirmed by apple

You mean the Apple employee who is friend of the cousin of the stepdaughter of your aunt? Ah ok...:rolleyes:

[Chupa Chupa]

And NOTHING ELSE...don't dare dream about updated MBs or MBPs...these have NOTHING to do with a special event on movies and multimedia...sorry to burst your bubble...SJ told me that already... :rolleyes:


Oh really? So tell me what the Front Row G5 iMac and the iPod nano had to do with last years iTunes Phone Special Event.

Don't read into these things so literally. "It's Showtime" can be a double entrdre. It's Showtime...as in "the movie is starting." or It's Showtime...as in "here are our Holiday Season products."

I think we will see Core 2 MB and MBPs. It's just one little tidbit in the build up to "one last thing."

[Peace]

Man..I can't think of anything that hasn't been mentioned here yet..

I'll add :

Sony HD Blue Ray Optical Drives for Mac Pros and external drives for other Macs.

Airport A/V with Blue Ray Drive and Hard Drive..

and one more thing..

Whirled Peas:D

[ImNoSuperMan]

What we will get:

Movie service with 320x240 movies, Airport Express AV with compostie and s-video only.

:(

Extremely unlikely. Or i`d say it`s impossible. We`ll definitely get DVD quality(atleast as an option). But my guesses are 720p will also be offered to those with a really really FAT internet pipe. Fat enough to fill a human body I guess:D .

I really think Apple will offer atleast 3 resolutions ie QVGA, DVD and(crossing fingers) HD 720p(may be at an extra cost and limited in number of available titles). Apple needs to do something which will set them apart from Amazon. I`ll be really disappointed if all we get is the same as Amazon.

[puuukeey]

* new middle mac should be thirty inch tv. built in bluetooth for control couch. remote with track ball. bundled with eyetv and x10 automation software. NO MORE WHITE PLASTIC
* bluetooth remote. (a few more buttons)
* Airport Express with video and 5.1
* Plugin architecture for front row!!!!!!!!!
* add screen savers to front row(did this myself)
* add video and audio messaging to front row (did this myself)
* Jeff Han coffee table.

[nodabs]

Anyone else notice that the student/teacher discount for Office 2004 expires tomorrow?

Apple Store Link (http://store.apple.com/1-800-780-5009/WebObjects/EducationIndividual?type=higherEd&family=MSStudentTeacherOffer)

Any chance that means something?

[geiger167]

Not really sure if any of the rumoured devices interest me tommorow, as living in the UK we probably will be denied any kind of movie download service (still waiting for tv show downloads to start) The media streaming device might be a cool idea but unless it had support for divx/transport stream files wouldn't really interest me either and cant imagine apple allowing support of an outside player like VLC and without any kind of download structure available to view apple sourced files outside the USA cant imagine it taking off. Having moaned a bit though I have still ordered a 24 imac and cant wait for it to arrive ( I love watching hdtv files on my 20' imac now so 24' must be heaven)

[Matiandos]

so I was looking around the apple store this afternoon till I noticed something :D

When selecting the MBP in the apple store you'll get some info below...
There's this one title where it shows front row... it says "It's showtime" :)

maybe it's a hint from apple :rolleyes: the MBP is the onle one where it says "it's showtime". the rest all say something else like "put on a show"...

ah well I'm just going crazy from waiting for the new MBP's...

(first post though I've been reading here for a long time)


Its a sign !!

btw, my first post too, been using the forum for buing advice for about a year, as long as I've had a mac. Now sold my iBook and awaiting MEROM MBPs

[pyramid6]

What rock are you living under?? A 5mb file is high end? Haha Why do you think the RIAA & MPAA are scared? It's soooooo easy to download music & movies illegally. Or look at YouTube, god knows how many 10mb videos are downloaded each second.

I haven't done ripping in a while, but decent encoding was about about 1Mb per minute for music, and the goal for a feature length movie was about 650Mb (The size of a CD ;)). Maybe they have gotten better, but you do realize a DVD is like 4.5Gb and it already is a lossy format?

650Mb movies are tolarable on a TV, but not a HD TV in my opinion. The few movies I did encode down, I was happy with 250Mb feature length movies at 320x200. Yes, I've been under a rock, but only for a couple years.

[sartinsauce]

Extremely unlikely. Or i`d say it`s impossible. We`ll definitely get DVD quality(atleast as an option). But my guesses are 720p will also be offered to those with a really really FAT internet pipe. Fat enough to fill a human body I guess:D .

I really think Apple will offer atleast 3 resolutions ie QVGA, DVD and(crossing fingers) HD 720p(may be at an extra cost and limited in number of available titles). Apple needs to do something which will set them apart from Amazon. I`ll be really disappointed if all we get is the same as Amazon.

Not gonna happen.

Apple's delivery requirements for iTMS are for an SD resolution (720x486). Many networks, in an effort to expidite iTMS availability, send Apple tapes containing content. Apple will not accept tapes in an HD format.

That being said, DVD quality downloads now (or in the near future) are a distinct possibility. Again, bandwidth is a mofo. How do you offer so much content, with such large file-sizes, to millions of customers simultaneously, while also maintaining bandwidth for music downloads.

Will there be a download queue, so we have to wait in line to download content?

[sixth]

Its a sign !!

btw, my first post too, been using the forum for buing advice for about a year, as long as I've had a mac. Now sold my iBook and awaiting MEROM MBPs


Where are you gouys seeing this?

[milo]

Should we really be so confidently predicting that there'll be no MBP or MB upgrades because they "take away" from the excitement of the Media announcements? Surely, 99% of the population couldn't care less when a chip is upgraded, and won't even notice the change. Sure, it might take away from the excitement for some of us geeks on here, but for a lot of people, won't it be a complete non-event, easily eclipsed by the shiny new media stuff?

It's something the press would include in their story. If the laptops are updated separately, the story is 100% about "showtime" stuff.

Movie service with 320x240 movies, Airport Express AV with compostie and s-video only.

I don't think we'll get HD anything, but I think we will get at least 480. 320x240 is OK for iPods and tv shows, but Apple realizes that they'd get slammed if they try and pass off such a low rez in the living room.

Oh really? So tell me what the Front Row G5 iMac and the iPod nano had to do with last years iTunes Phone Special Event.

Those weren't at the same event, were they? The nano was with the phone, and later Front Row showed up with the iPod with video. And generally, apple hasn't been doing computer refreshes at events, just major updates (which lately has been intel, and not even all of those have had events).

[daneoni]

Not really sure if any of the rumoured devices interest me tommorow, as living in the UK we probably will be denied any kind of movie download service (still waiting for tv show downloads to start) The media streaming device might be a cool idea but unless it had support for divx/transport stream files wouldn't really interest me either and cant imagine apple allowing support of an outside player like VLC and without any kind of download structure available to view apple sourced files outside the USA cant imagine it taking off. Having moaned a bit though I have still ordered a 24 imac and cant wait for it to arrive ( I love watching hdtv files on my 20' imac now so 24' must be heaven)

I was just gonna say that. As a UK user i'm not really bothered because we wont be getting anything....its all Yankee based. Heck even the battery recall is practically non-existent. I have yet to hear one UK user receive his/her battery whilst US users are getting theres as soon as 48 hrs of sending their requests.

[bikertwin]

That being said, DVD quality downloads now (or in the near future) are a distinct possibility. Again, bandwidth is a mofo. How do you offer so much content, with such large file-sizes, to millions of customers simultaneously, while also maintaining bandwidth for music downloads.

Will there be a download queue, so we have to wait in line to download content?

What if you get a $2 discount on the movie if you allowed Apple to point up to 10 customers to your machine to download that movie, bittorrent-style? (Obviously this would be secure Apple technology, not bittorrent per se.)

[orbino]

The assumption is for new Nanos and new 5G videos with more capacity...but nobody has conjectured on the form factors for these. Same thickness? Same sized screens? For what it's worth, we might have some circumstantial evidence in this arena...

Some of you might be familiar with our high-end, form-fitting iPod cases (Orbino (http://www.orbino.com)). Our cases are precisely fit for each model, so every millimeter counts.

Well...a couple weeks ago, the iPod marketing manager for Apple in Europe contacted us requesting samples for a press presentation "long lead time" consumer magazines. They were presenting the top iPod accessories for Christmas-related articles.

She asked us for three leather case models for the presenation: our Cambio case for the current iPod video; and our Sportivo and Cambio models for the iPod Nano. One would assume, therefore, that the form factors will remain virtually the same -- otherwise, why would Apple have asked us for those cases to present to the press for the Christmas season?

But then again with Apple, you never know!

[topherchris]

Nobody else seems interested, so they must have already seen it, but I have not. That's pretty interesting.

no. THIS is interesting (though old)

http://mammals.org/

[dernhelm]

I really think Apple will offer atleast 3 resolutions ie QVGA, DVD and(crossing fingers) HD 720p(may be at an extra cost and limited in number of available titles). Apple needs to do something which will set them apart from Amazon. I`ll be really disappointed if all we get is the same as Amazon.

Apple is not concerned with the width of your internet pipe, they will be concerned about the pressure everyone else puts on their own pipes.

All I can say is plan on being disappointed. You will get wide-screen aspect ratios but there is no way they will start out with (720p or 1080i) HD quality for an internet download. Amazon didn't do it for the same reasons. A movie download store is of no particular use to anyone if you could drive to the store and purchase the movie quicker. Geeks who don't mind fiddling around with BitTorrent not withstanding, John Q. Public needs something straightforward and simple.

I'm more interested in the way Apple plans on getting around the "you gotta watch it on your computer screen" problem. Computers are fun and all, but when I watch a movie, I want to do it curled up on the couch in front of my TV. I don't live in a dorm room and I have no particular desire to replace my TV with a computer screen. The number and types of movies that I will download will be severely restricted if they are limited to those that I am willing to watch on my computer.

Apple has to solve that problem if they want their video store to take off. And I think SJ knows it. Really high quality video would be a bonus, but non-HD, widescreen aspect ratio video that I could stream directly to my TV with little or no headache would suit me just fine.

:cool:

[FreeState]

What I expect is not much:

Movie download service (with less than 100 movies, all current resolution of music video,s).
Updated Nano and iPod (size of flash/hard drive on both updated).

That is it. Thats all I believe we will see...

What Id like to see but think it will come out later, before Christmas:

A way to stream video to your TV
A remote of some sort to control the stream.

I believe that the movie service will not rely on new TVs or Macs. That would cut out way to many PC users and people that do not want to buy a new TV. If apple releases a Mac home center or TV I believe it will be after the movie service takes off - kind of like they did with the Apple branded iPod Hi-Fi, maybe January will see these.

The multi-function device will be the phone, and I guess it will come out next year (January).

But then again Im always wrong:) Here's to hoping Im wrong:)

[hawken1]

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/annou...ere-199513.php

perhaps you've seen this a long time ago?

they have live coverege 12th.

[milozauckerman]

I would expect us to get 480p movies - who wants to stare at an iPod for 115 minutes? And if Apple didn't offer them at DVD quality (with HD in the future), then they'd look mighty stupid going up against Amazon.

Personally, I don't care. I've got Netflix - and I don't think Apple's going to beat (roughly) $2/rental.

[Doenertier]

What we should get:

Movie Service with 1280x720 movies, Airport Extreme AV with composite, s-video and hdmi outputs.

What we will get:

Movie service with 320x240 movies, Airport Express AV with compostie and s-video only.

:(

nope (the latter). Apple wouldn't have been waiting this long. this would be an announcement for the 1st of April. Apple has been preparing for years (since opening the movie store) to bring on movies for $9.99 to $14.99 at 320x240.

Seriously. TV shows in this resolution are okay for $1.99 and for watching on your iPod when you're on the go. That's great. But Apple is delivering the whole package. As they did with iPod+iTunes. Now there's a frontend in the line for your TV. And you are sitting on your couch. As you were on the go with your iPod. Either media center or streaming solution. And it will be at least DVD-quality if not 720p. No prob with a H.264 at 2-6 mpbs. Files for a 90 minute movie at 700 mb (near-DVD-quality) to 4.5 GB (HD 720p).

I just hope for a renting solution as this is what people do with MOVIES.

Comparison MUSIC ---> MOVIES

solution: on the go ---> on the couch
license: owning ---> renting
price: $.99 ---> $3.99

That is an Apple way of doing. If they have another solution: bring it on; it's gonna make sense.

[HecubusPro]

Where are you gouys seeing this?

Go here...
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=925997E8&nclm=MacBookPro

Down towards the bottom of that page for the MBP where you read all about the computer and what it does, there's a bolded subheading that reads "It's Showtime." IMac and Mac Mini are the only other systems that offer a similar description, but their description heading says "Put on a Show."

That is a little odd, since they're basically all describing the same thing. Why would the MBP say "It's Showtime" yet the iMac and Mac Mini descriptions use "Put on a Show?" How long have these read this way? Is this old or new? Does it have something to do with tomorrows' event, or nothing at all?

Hmmm... very intersting.

Reaching? Coincidence? Apple being coy?

[Doenertier]

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/annou...ere-199513.php

perhaps you've seen this a long time ago?

they have live coverege 12th.

Either the link ist broken or they are already down with us 2 guys trying it out. :rolleyes:

[xPismo]

...No prob with a H.264 at 2-6 mpbs. Files for a 90 minute movie at 700 mb (near-DVD-quality...I just hope for a renting solution as this is what people do with MOVIES.... If they have another solution: bring it on; it's gonna make sense.

Nicely put. Shocking to believe what modern compression and modern (read lower) expectations of the average film watcher have allowed distriution solutions to do.

I'm expecting a slick, consumer oriented solution to the video portion of the iTunes music store, but I'm not holding my breath for a 'movie' store or movie rental store solution.

At a compression value I would accecpt, files will still be to big for the internet of today / average power of a computer today / the HD's of today.

Sorry to be a wet blanket. We shall see.

[Peace]

iLounge.com will be providing coverage also.

[Doenertier]

Go here...
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=925997E8&nclm=MacBookPro

Down towards the bottom of that page for the MBP where you read all about the computer and what it does, there's a bolded subheading that reads "It's Showtime." IMac and Mac Mini are the only other systems that offer a similar description, but their description heading says "Put on a Show."

That is a little odd, since they're basically all describing the same thing. Why would the MBP say "It's Showtime" yet the iMac and Mac Mini descriptions use "Put on a Show?" How long have these read this way? Is this old or new? Does it have something to do with tomorrows' event, or nothing at all?

Hmmm... very intersting.

Reaching? Coincidence? Apple being coy?

Some what-was-his-name?-intern...

[theBB]

Unless you have a progressive scan TV, which propbably means an HDTV, DVD is only 480i, which can be argued to be equivalent to 240p. That way Apple can easily claim their movies to be DVD quality at 320x240. In any case, they can easily offer it at 480p, but compress it more to get the same file size, but satisfy the more numerically obsessed with probably the same video quality. I'd say just download and watch it. See if it looks better or worse than your regular DVDs on a regular TV from about the same distance. No need to focus on just one number.

[milo]

At a compression value I would accecpt, files will still be to big for the internet of today / average power of a computer today / the HD's of today.

People keep saying things like this. But look at online movie piracy. It's probably as big now as napster was a few years ago. The pirates have proven that people are interested in getting movies online, and that the technological barriers can be overcome.

Unless you have a progressive scan TV, which propbably means an HDTV, DVD is only 480i, which can be argued to be equivalent to 240p. That way Apple can easily claim their movies to be DVD quality at 320x240.

But would that look as good as DVD on NTSC television? Sure doesn't seem like it with the current downloads.