It's Showtime: Event Anticipation

[MacRumors]

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As Apple's It's Showtime event approaches, a number of interesting tidbits have been circulating.

• Some analysts believe (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2032) that this is the first of many consumer electronic announcements from Apple in the coming months.
• MacNN posts images (http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/09/11/apples.showtime.event/) from the exterior of the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts. The front is covered with an iPod dancing-silloutete banner.
• One unconfirmed submitter claims (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060912005221.shtml) knowing the entire agenda for the event.
• Several sites continue to report (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0609moviestudios.html) that only the Disney Studio is on-board for the initial launch of the iTunes Movie Store.

[Philberttheduck]

Here's to a CRAZY Tuesday morning. :D

[MacinDoc]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)• Several sites continue to report (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0609moviestudios.html) that only the Disney Studio is on-board for the initial launch of the iTunes Movie Store.
If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.

[pknz]

Here's to a ripe Apple Wednesday morning, followed by a Liverpool win.

[arn]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.

It's not just thinksecret that's reporting this.

[ImAlwaysRight]

More goodies, more disappointment. Woo-hoo! Bring it on.

[Chundles]

Here's to a ripe Apple Wednesday morning, followed by a Liverpool win.

Yep, love my "New Hardware Wednesdays." Followed by "Watch Keynote Wednesday Afternoons whilst downloading new versions of software and saving pdf files of every new hardware page."

[YoNeX]

Welcoming of Media Members
Discussion on iTunes software, iTMS integration into iTunes, and iTMS sales and facts.
Announcement of iTunes version 7.0
Announces better search feature for Music Store
Announces Movie Store. Available Immediately will be movies from Disney and Pixar, among other studios.
New iPod Nano Announcement (nice brushed casing, while it will have same features as first gen, only a longer battery life)
New iPod Announcement (Widescreen, Bluetooth, and featuring virtual touchweel. Does not include Wi-Fi, or any other protocols)
One More Thing....TubePort. A $99 2-piece set that includes a dongle that connects via USB to your mac, and another dongle that connects via included HD cables or regular Component cables to your TV. The movie is accessed on your Mac via an iDisk-like storage component hosted by Apple.

Jobs will then explain the pricing structure of the Movie Store. Movies will be available as either a smaller iPod-format (which will cost $9.99 per movie), or as a larger, streamed movie to be streamed to your TV via TubePort. This cost $14.99 per movie. To purchase an iPod-formatted movie and a streamed version of the same movie, it will cost you $19.99.".
Source: http://www.tuaw.com/2006/09/11/apples-agenda-for-the-media-event

[amols]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.

It's a start. What's tricky is the execution itself. Other studios will join the bandwagon like they did with music store.

[MacinDoc]

It's a start. What's tricky is the execution itself. Other studios will join the bandwagon like they did with music store.
Maybe, but to impact the market, you need a critical mass. Didn't iTMS have 200,000-300,000 songs when it opened?
It's not just thinksecret that's reporting this.
Who else is? Anyway, my point was more that if Disney is all the iTunes Movie Store has to offer, it will look like a huge marketing failure, and the media will feed on it... If it's true, expect predictions of Apple's pending demise on Wednesday...

[iMeowbot]

Maybe, but to impact the market, you need a critical mass. Didn't iTMS have 200,000-300,000 songs when it opened?
Yes, but there was hardly any content at all when they started offering videos.

[Chundles]

The TV Shows section started out with 5 shows (zero here) and now look at it, there are hundreds of TV Shows for download on iTunes (zero here).

It just takes a few to get it going and once some momentum is established it just keeps picking up speed.

[twoodcc]

Here's to a CRAZY Tuesday morning. :D

i 2nd that. let's hope it's good

[yoda13]

I can't wait to see what they got up their sleeve, hope I am stoked...:D

[MichaelLatta]

Any chance that in all this movie related presentation there is an MBP with Core 2 Duo and Blu-Ray burner? that would be one hot movie producing computer.

[newamiga]

Guys.. just a quick thought,, but remember when they released the iPod HiFi.. they didn't really play it up, but it can be addressed via Airtunes and the Airport Express. That means you can select it by name as a speaker set via iTunes. Now the thing that is missing is a remote device that can show off the album art and play the DRM protected files in remote areas of the house. Note that there are expensive solutions for doing this today, but they don't support DRM (Sonos). I am wondering if the supposed remote or all purpose device will bring this control throughout a house via wireless. This would make the iPod HiFi that much more valuable as a solution for streaming your music with full control throughout the house. It just seems like a logical leap, and one that would not take much technically to do. Now take that the next step and have it also control the output of the new Airport Express Video edition and have the preview on the remote or at least cover art.. stream the movie to where you want in the house.. I know the use of 802.11 in its current form may not be the best for this.. just thinking out loud.

[MattDell]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point.
Disney is the 2nd largest media company in the world. I surely hope you don't think we're just getting Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck movies. Here's just the movie companies that Disney owns:

Walt Disney Pictures
Touchstone Pictures
Hollywood Pictures
Miramax Films
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Pixar

I think that's quite a good start.

-Matt

[hayduke]

A long time ago I remember reading that Jobs said that people didn't really want to download movies or even own movies. The only movies worth owning (according to Jobs) were children's movies because they typically watch them hundreds of times. The average adult, on the other hand, might watch his favorite movie a dozen times. I think this idea, whether or not it can be tracked back to Jobs, is spot on. I've bought a few DVDs and most people I know have bought a few, but nobody I know buys as many movies as they do music (even if you compare total duration, rather then #).

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's movie store is simply the only way to get Disney/Pixar content and they're happy to stash the revenue from those sales in their pocket. They'll sell enough to make it worth the investment and if it goes really well and the demand grows (or Amazon appears to do well), then they just open the doors and make other studio's movies available. I bet this is more of an Apple control issue than a movie studio control issue. Apple is proven when it comes to DRM (like it or not).

I guess we'll see...

[Max_Walker]

That's no industry setting price point. For that price you can buy the DVD. watch it, load it on your ipod and the sell it on e-bay.

[Chundles]

That's no industry setting price point. For that price you can buy the DVD. watch it, load it on your ipod and the sell it on e-bay.

G'Day Tangles, welcome to the boards. You're right though, US$20 is a lot of money compared to DVD prices.

Oh I hope you get the Tangles reference, otherwise I've just made a goose of myself.

[c-Row]

Yeah - I hope that 19.99$ price tag is wrong. Not that it matters for me - unless movies will be available worldwide.

[MacinDoc]

Disney is the 2nd largest media company in the world. I surely hope you don't think we're just getting Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck movies. Here's just the movie companies that Disney owns:

Walt Disney Pictures
Touchstone Pictures
Hollywood Pictures
Miramax Films
Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Pixar

I think that's quite a good start.

-Matt
I realize that, but there are more major studios that are not on that list owned by Disney than there are on the list. But maybe it will work out like the TV downloads have, as some have suggested, starting with just a few and adding more. The problem is, Apple does not currently dominate that market; there are other players right now that are equally strong with their video download services. It seems that the market seems to favor having a dominant player, like Windows for OS and iTMS for music downloads. This could leave the door open for Microsoft to dominate this market if Apple doesn't ramp up its selection quickly.

[kasei]

Damn! I have jury duty so I am going to miss everything!

[quadrakid]

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[arn]

Maybe, but to impact the market, you need a critical mass. Didn't iTMS have 200,000-300,000 songs when it opened?

Who else is? Anyway, my point was more that if Disney is all the iTunes Movie Store has to offer, it will look like a huge marketing failure, and the media will feed on it... If it's true, expect predictions of Apple's pending demise on Wednesday...

Variety first reported it

http://www.variety.com/VR1117949519.html

[Koodauw]

That phone looks amazing. Wish I could have one.

[quadrakid]

it looks slick but really uncomfortable in the hand

[Lollypop]

I realize that, but there are more major studios that are not on that list owned by Disney than there are on the list. But maybe it will work out like the TV downloads have, as some have suggested, starting with just a few and adding more. The problem is, Apple does not currently dominate that market; there are other players right now that are equally strong with their video download services. It seems that the market seems to favor having a dominant player, like Windows for OS and iTMS for music downloads. This could leave the door open for Microsoft to dominate this market if Apple doesn't ramp up its selection quickly.

The iTMS had competition when it started, and it still does... if apple makes it easy and cheap to do movies, like they did with music the will give their competitors a run for their money... also remember, when the iTMS started it didnt have anything else of offer, now its got a lot of music, videos, podcasts and and and... resulting in a lot of content, the movie library can start out small and grow.

[smokingtrout]

I really don't care anymore...tomorrow will probably follow a familiar formula - some disappointments, some bullseyes.

This is what I want after seeing the infamous "cube with a handle" patent that surfaced earlier this week:

A projector, similar to (http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/07/epson-announces-emp-twd3-projector-with-built-in-dvd-player/) large capacity HDD, WIFI, Bluetooth, and maybe a media-only version of OSX. In fact, maybe just Front Row. One could transfer movies downloaded (or created in iMovie) to the projector's HDD to then be projected to a wall or screen. Better yet, with DSL or Cable hooked up directly, one could download directly to the HDD. DVR? Additional Combo drive? Built in speakers (perhaps a couple from the Hi-FI) would provide sound should you choose not to use the optical audio out. Firewire 400/800. HDMI I/O The kicker? A protective sheath and handle like in the patent picture that would allow the owner to take the relatively compact projector to other places. The addition of WiFi would allow future Apple wireless products to recognize and stream to the projector. Who wants to crowd around an iPod to look at a clip on a 2.5" display anyway?

Wow. All this speculation has gone to my head. Time for bed.

[OziMac]

G'Day Tangles, welcome to the boards. You're right though, US$20 is a lot of money compared to DVD prices.

Oh I hope you get the Tangles reference, otherwise I've just made a goose of myself.

I got it Chundles, but maybe his name really is Max Walker? ;)

If it's true that the USD20 includes portable-compatible files, then it's slightly more attractive (at least to the less tech-savvy). It's also 100 per cent legal too.

But they really have to consider opening the pricing structure up to rentals at some stage, movies and music really are two different things, and unless the sale prices are really competitive (these aren't) then there's no incentive for buying/renting patterns to change.

[Chundles]

I really don't care anymore...tomorrow will probably follow a familiar formula - some disappointments, some bullseyes.

This is what I want after seeing the infamous "cube with a handle" patent that surfaced earlier this week:


That's just a continuation of the old cube patents - keeps anyone from copying Apple. The old cube had a handle too you know.

[SirROM]

I had a thought about what would drive people to purchase movies from Apple in droves and totally fsck the other studios, making them BEG the Steve to let them play in his sandbox:

Disney allows Apple to release movies BEFORE they are released on DVD, similar to what they have done a couple of time with music tracks. Imagine being able to have a copy of the recent Pirates movies a week or two before it can be bought with packaging. If the quality were good enough, people would probably be willing to forgo the packaging itself and pay an "early-adopter" fee of $14.99 just for the bragging rights. The media would be all over this and it would be seen as yet another Apple coup in Hollywood. After all, Walmart and Blockbuster would join Ballmer in throwing chairs because of the money they would start losing when people didn't buy or rent DVDs from them and they couldn't do anything about it for a couple of weeks. "Hey Walmart! Wanna play dirty? I'll show you dirty..."

I'll bet Steve has some other plan like this or similar in mind so this doesn't come off looking weak and like he lost against the studios.

[arn]

I really don't care anymore...tomorrow will probably follow a familiar formula - some disappointments, some bullseyes.

This is what I want after seeing the infamous "cube with a handle" patent that surfaced earlier this week:


Apple already did that design. It's called the Apple G4 Cube.

http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=g4cube

[slb]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs.

The iTMS didn't start with the largest library or all the record labels on board.* Having Disney also means the studios it owns, like Miramax.* There will be a healthy selection of films for a first start.

[Arcady]

don't think we're just getting Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck movies

Daffy Duck is from Warner, not Disney.

[mensrea]

Bloomberg weighs in:


Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Computer Inc. today may begin selling full-length Walt Disney Co. films online and introduce a new iPod on which to play them.

Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs will say at a meeting in San Francisco that Apple's iTunes store is adding downloadable Disney movies to its music and television shows, said three officials familiar with the plan. Jobs also may introduce an iPod with a larger screen and more memory to accommodate movies, said analysts including Eugene Munster of Piper Jaffray & Cos.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7MNkU.36h8k&refer=news

[eji]

I'm waiting to be disappointed. I realized that the anonymously submitted schedule of events could very well turn out to be true, in which case I'm not too miffed that I'll be missing live coverage of the event.

Here're my reservations:

- iTunes should be strictly music. iTube or iFilm or iMovies or iVideo or Apple Movie Store should be a separate application; or else name it iMedia and completely rethink the interface. I find that since the addition of video podcasts and TV shows, iTunes is getting really difficult to keep tidy and organized, even with features like smart playlists and a 20" screen. It looks like a big, sloppy mass of text.

- The price should be $11.99 - 9.99 for new movies, $9.99 - 7.99 for older ones, and an iPod version should be thrown in with the full-quality feature. Any more than that and I'll just buy and rip the DVD or, more likely, just download it elsewhere. This pricing structure is not going to happen, I know, and so I'm already less than thrilled.

- The wireless Mac-to-TV bridge has to be really cool and effortlessly simple (and PC compatible too). This proposed "TubePort" USB dongle sounds like the most likely solution for a cross-platform device, but I'm hoping that the AirPort in all its various incarnations (Express, Extreme) will get a revamp and allow for video streaming somehow.

- A true video iPod needs to come soon. As in, before Christmas. And I really don't think we're going to see it today.

We'll see how it goes, of course, but I don't know if the event will live up to the hype. That seems to be Apple's nagging problem lately.

[smokingtrout]

Apple already did that design. It's called the Apple G4 Cube.

http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=g4cube


Arn,

Yes, Apple did "do" that design, and it was a thing of beauty. But my stupid idea would be a projector in the same form factor. Add in the latest and greatest I/O, Superdrive, and HiFi speakers tastefully added to either side (or maybe the bottom) and you have a truly portable, hi-def media sharing device.

After lugging around an older Hitachi projector and my PowerBook to share slideshows and the like, I'd use something like this!

[jdiddy]

Daffy Duck is from Warner, not Disney.

Lol good catch. I'm kind of excited about tommorow its making it hard to sleep argg.

[aafuss1]

New accessories:-
Tube "skins" for the 5G iPod, with a lanyard-similar price to nano's tubes
Lanyard headphones for 5G/6th gen
IR receiver, ready for Leopard-customizable programming,like a universal remote. Same remote as iMac's
Sports kit/travel for 6th Gen
User video sharing features-upload to YouTube or a new iTMS section for used created, original vodcasts/videos
BBC TV shows on the UK store-perhaps Seven or Ten (Nine Network is MS centric), here in Australia
iPod shuffle discontinued entirely

[a17inchFuture]

So what do people think the resolution will be, for the movies? They better be more than the current tv shows and videos.

And honestly, I'd be upset if they only had higher resolution for movies, without upgrading the tv shows' as well.

EDIT: also, anyone notice the convenient home release date of disney's The Wild, as tomorrow? I would be tempted to check the quality out with a CG flick, especially one I haven't seen, that coincidentally stars the vocal talent of Eddie Izzard.

[vendettabass]

gahh!
brushed aluminium nano = good
no storage bump = bad

[Balli]

Does anyone know what time this even will be in GMT?

[ron dj]

The whole Movie Store (iFlicks/iMovies, what have you) idea is too similar to the iTune's introduction, with the iPod, and those third-party music download sites that popped up everywhere all because of the "music store idea". Already, Amazon.com has a movie store, and I'm sure there are more to come/already out, but what these businesses are forgetting is that the reason iTunes was/and still is so successful was almost entirely because of the iPod, and its ultimate ease of accessibility with iTunes. Of course Movies are alot different than Music, but if Apple releases a movie-based (widescreen, easy upload, etc) iPod that has the same user-friendliness as it relatively did/does with music, these third-party "Movie Stores" are going to follow the same path of every attempted third-party music-download site to "over-do" iTunes, insofar that those businesses don't charge significantly less than Apple does. In all, Apple WILL release its Movie-ample iPod with the Movie Store or subsequently and immediately after the Movie Store opens, since there is every reason TO do so.

[Chundles]

Does anyone know what time this even will be in GMT?

10am Cupertino (west coast US) time. Just over 9 hours to go.

[a17inchFuture]

gotta agree ron.

It makes sense, however, just to be devil's advocate, I think the pricepoint issue is very valid to some people, and no matter how easy it is to take a widescreen ipod on the plane, they might not think its worthwhile if they can only watch one movie between charges, and the movies (on a smaller screen) might not be worth 10-15 bucks.

Again, I see the validity, just taking the (valid) stance of the opposition.

[chrisblore]

10am Cupertino (west coast US) time. Just over 9 hours to go.

That's 6pm in the UK or 5pm GMT.

[FreeState]

Does anyone know what time this even will be in GMT?


GMT-7

(edited to fix errrr)

[Balli]

10am Cupertino (west coast US) time. Just over 9 hours to go.

That's 7pm here in the UK... Just when I get home from work! :)

Are any sites offering live feeds, etc?

[dalvin200]

From engadget (as i couldn't be bothered to look them up myself :P)

7:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
1:00PM - Eastern
5:00PM - GMT
6:00PM - London
7:00PM - Paris
2:00AM - Tokyo (September 13th)

i think the same question about start times across the world is gonna be asked a LOT today! maybe someone needs to put this in a more visible position?

[dalvin200]

That's 7pm here in the UK... Just when I get home from work! :)

Are any sites offering live feeds, etc?

6 (SIX) PM UK time :)

[Chundles]

That's 7pm here in the UK... Just when I get home from work! :)

Are any sites offering live feeds, etc?

Macrumorslive.com does text feeds (the whole site shuts down, although at WWDC this year was the first time I've been able to access the forums the entire time, and the front page auto-refreshes every 60 seconds) from the event. They're not there but the feeds come from people who are.

We'll be well informed, don't worry.

[i0Nic]

Sydney 3am Sept 13.

[dalvin200]

Here's to a ripe Apple Wednesday morning, followed by a Liverpool win.

Hearin u on that one mate!!

6pm - 7pm ish - we find out what's been unleashed to us..

7:45pm - liverpool in champions league gonna kick butt after that DISMAL display on saturday against everton!! :eek:


should be a great evening all round :)

(all times are uk bst)

[freezingmariner]

If Apple wants $9.99 from me for a movie, it better be at least 480p or better quality. I'm not spending ten bucks on a iPod quality movie. Speaking of home entertainment system /computer convergence, why can't they put a DVR in Mac mini that interfaces with the iTMS? Why can't Apple make a deal with Sony and put OS X on PS3? Why do we not have a iPod HiFi with Airport Express built-in? Finally why DOESN'T the Apple 30'' *HD* display have HDCP already?!?! Oh yea, what's holding up UDI anyway? <sigh> Why is convergence moving so slowly? :rolleyes:

[dhc]

iPod shuffle discontinued entirely

I can't see this happening - not without an imediate replacement (though this may be achieved by significantly reducing the cost of the Nano?)

I've been wrong before though.

[Jimmieboy]

3.00 am! I don't think I'll be up then. I love to sleep. I guess getting up at around 6 won't matter though. Hopefully the new products if any will be on the apple site. If not I"ll check out macrumors to see the latest news on the conference. I can't wait! Yahooooo for apple

[Chundles]

From engadget (as i couldn't be bothered to look them up myself :P)

7:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
1:00PM - Eastern
5:00PM - GMT
6:00PM - London
7:00PM - Paris
2:00AM - Tokyo (September 13th)

Keep going... All 13th September:

5am - New Zealand
3am - Eastern Australia
2:30am - Central Australia
1am - Western Australia

[ron dj]

so true. I wonder if the new iPod's will have a longer battery life, god I'd hope so with Movies and their lengths.. if not, there goes the whole legal electronic Movie business, haha, or at least for Apple.. until they then provide longer battery life. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

btw, I'm also (located) in MI.

[dalvin200]

Keep going... All 13th September:

5am - New Zealand
3am - Eastern Australia
2:30am - Central Australia
1am - Western Australia

Zealund?? :confused:

:D

[vendettabass]

I assume the true video ipod will have the same price points as the current ones? if so, its a buy!

[Jimmieboy]

I'd rather it be at 3.00 am when I'm at home rather than say 11.00 am when I'll be at school and probably not at a comptuer. Pity we have all Pc's at school and they're all really really (bad) IBM's with the best ever (wrost) network in the world :D

[bcslay]

I believe that an airport extreme, or 802.11g is plenty fast to stream High-def Video, and shouldn't apple change the name of itunes at this point, since it is now a multimedia piece of software?

[Chundles]

Zealund?? :confused:

:D

Damn! I thought I was quick enough.

I originally had "Noo Zulund" but edited it back, missed the second u, changed it again - not quick enough.

Mind you, your quote of me wasn't quite quick enough, it's spelt correctly there.

[Chundles]

I believe that an airport extreme, or 802.11g is plenty fast to stream High-def Video

It's not. You need wireless USB for that. 802.11g would need a sizeable buffer and then it's not technically streaming.

[Analog Kid]

I'm waiting to be disappointed. I realized that the anonymously submitted schedule of events could very well turn out to be true, in which case I'm not too miffed that I'll be missing live coverage of the event.

Here're my reservations:

- iTunes should be strictly music. iTube or iFilm or iMovies or iVideo or Apple Movie Store should be a separate application; or else name it iMedia and completely rethink the interface. I find that since the addition of video podcasts and TV shows, iTunes is getting really difficult to keep tidy and organized, even with features like smart playlists and a 20" screen. It looks like a big, sloppy mass of text.

- The price should be $11.99 - 9.99 for new movies, $9.99 - 7.99 for older ones, and an iPod version should be thrown in with the full-quality feature. Any more than that and I'll just buy and rip the DVD or, more likely, just download it elsewhere. This pricing structure is not going to happen, I know, and so I'm already less than thrilled.

- The wireless Mac-to-TV bridge has to be really cool and effortlessly simple (and PC compatible too). This proposed "TubePort" USB dongle sounds like the most likely solution for a cross-platform device, but I'm hoping that the AirPort in all its various incarnations (Express, Extreme) will get a revamp and allow for video streaming somehow.

- A true video iPod needs to come soon. As in, before Christmas. And I really don't think we're going to see it today.

We'll see how it goes, of course, but I don't know if the event will live up to the hype. That seems to be Apple's nagging problem lately.
Glad to hear someone else bring up the iTunes interface. I've never understood why the Videos group has a different organizing structure than everything else, or why it's so rigid. I also hate having Podcasts mixed in with my music.

Apple's been trying to integrate the various media pieces it's been developing, but the "branding" guys got control of the decisions. They're trying to leverage the iPod and iTunes too much because they're recognizable. Why do my photos get sync'd to my iPod through iTunes?

I probably won't even throw down $10 for a downloaded movie with those kinds of restrictions. I think the industry is holding out for HD discs to reassert their DRM power, and they're too intent on locking everything down. Not useful and no fun. Digital is beautiful because it's flexible-- take the flexibility away and it's just another bunch of fragile, valuable data on my hard drive. I'll take the disc, and continue spreading my money among all the middlemen...

If Apple does set up the video store this way, it's going to flop. There's no incentive to consumers... No price break, and bandwidth limits the ease of use. If playing the file, or adjusting attributes messes with the meta-data then it's going to choke Time Machine. My biggest concern is that a failing movie store will kill Apple's momentum and the music store and iPod will suffer as well.

Apple could make this all worthwhile by offering foreign films everywhere. I'd buy foreign films for download if they weren't released in the US any other way. Maybe by distributing independent films they could convince the music industry to follow suit.

Why a USB dongle unless they're hoping to open up to the low end Windows folks? USB is the *worst* interface for streaming video-- it's a peripheral interface, not a streaming interface... It hides its inefficiency with bandwidth for now, but once people start using it for hard drives, and iPods, and video streaming and TV hookups and everything else it's going to fall over. A FireWire dongle would do the job much more cleanly.

I covet a new full screen iPod, even though my 5G is only a year or so old. Something about full screen just seems right. If they go that way, I'd hope they boost capacity too-- 60GB isn't enough to hold everything I've got and more video to boot.

I'm a little suspicious of the idea that we'll be seeing a run of new consumer products. Apple doesn't work that way-- they don't have the resources to develop a bunch of new, great stuff in parallel. We haven't seen much lately because they've been focused on new, redesigned iPods. Maybe they'll throw out a video streaming peripheral. Then there'll be another wait and possibly something else.

[tvguru]

I believe that an airport extreme, or 802.11g is plenty fast to stream High-def Video, and shouldn't apple change the name of itunes at this point, since it is now a multimedia piece of software?

Would you prefer OS X Media Player?:eek:

[bcslay]

well, I can see that it wouldn't be fast enough for unbuffered video, but if the receiving piece of hardware could decode h.264, then it would be fast enough, right? I can stream h.264 from apples website wirelessly.

[dalvin200]

i must be truly sad..

i had dreams of ipods and apple store online with new products.. and then i couldn't remember my credit card details.. ahhhh.. it was strange..

i swear, if this whole event flops... i'm gonna throw all of my apple gear out!! lol..

there's so much hype.. the press is all over it today.. got it on bbc news, sky news reports.. IN YOUR FACE everywhere you go..

[Chundles]

well, I can see that it wouldn't be fast enough for unbuffered video, but if the receiving piece of hardware could decode h.264, then it would be fast enough, right? I can stream h.264 from apples website wirelessly.

Yeah, but that's buffered on your computer, it loads a bit into memory before playing so that the rest of it comes in while your watching. Streaming means it's coming straight in - no buffer.

[bcslay]

no, I wouldn't prefer osx media player, i'm not saying that I would prefer anything different, imedia would make more sense, but there's no way apple would change the name of there most well known software.

[conditionals]

I just tried to imagine an Apple event night without the omnipresence of Chundles and my brain broke.

[Chundles]

I just tried to imagine an Apple event night without the omnipresence of Chundles and my brain broke.

Never going to happen. Just wait till 2am when my posts become even more incoherent than usual.

EDIT - Don't everybody else do what conditionals just tried to do. A few people did it last Tuesday night and we broke the internet.

[dalvin200]

Never going to happen. Just wait till 2am when my posts become even more incoherent than usual.

EDIT - Don't everybody else do what conditionals just tried to do. A few people did it last Tuesday night and we broke the internet.

what time is it in the Gong now?

[tvguru]

no, I wouldn't prefer osx media player, i'm not saying that I would prefer anything different, imedia would make more sense, but there's no way apple would change the name of there most well known software.

I figured you didn't I was just kidding. :o I do agree that if they continue to incorporate more into iTunes it won't have that simple iLife feel. Where you just grab a Mac for the first time and there's no thinking involved on what goes where. I also agree that the name is too significant at this stage for them to change it, a lot of average computer users would be confused the next time they go to upgrade and use the new named version. I'm sure they've thought of something for a full movie download service, but who knows?

[dalvin200]

EDIT - Don't everybody else do what conditionals just tried to do. A few people did it last Tuesday night and we broke the internet.

U sure it was broke? not just your sloooooooowwwwwwww dial-up connection? ;)

[a17inchFuture]

no, I wouldn't prefer osx media player, i'm not saying that I would prefer anything different, imedia would make more sense, but there's no way apple would change the name of there most well known software.

Yeah, for the time being, I think iTunes is still safe. I can imagine some change at some point -- iLife was once just a bunch of individual applications, maybe they'll go a similar route, and start calling it the iMall or some **** (obviously not that), and just have the individual "stores" as subheadings the way the tv store is now.

[Chundles]

U sure it was broke? not just your sloooooooowwwwwwww dial-up connection? ;)

Oh, we broke it alright. Hey, I used to play Quake against a mate on a 33.6k dial-up connection and it did just fine....

At least my dial-up connection isn't all snobby like your high-speed connection. Mine's got it's feet firmly planted on the ground. Well, it's up to it's hips in mud really. I hate dial-up.

[Chundles]

what time is it in the Gong now?

6:26pm Tuesday 12th September.

[jonat8]

Hmm, no iTMS updates here in the UK as of yet. Hopefully that fact and also that the webcast is being broadcast in London as well suggests that the UK might get a piece of the action too :)

I hope that the Movie Store comes out today but I think that purchase-only will be a bad idea. There has to be the option to BUY and to RENT movies, otherwise I don't think it will succeed given the cheap price of DVDs these days. But having the ability to rent appeals to the impulse buyer who just wants something to watch that night, which is probably me - I would go looking for a new release movie that I want to rent to watch that evening, that's it.

The other thing that I'm desperately hoping for is cheap prices for older movies. If you go down to the video shop to rent a movie, new releases are &#163;3.50, older releases &#163;2.00 or less. I want to see the same think on the movie store. So if I feel the need to watch "Mrs Doubtfire" again one rainy afternoon, I can rent it instantly for a couple of pounds. Same with purchases - you can get 6-12 month old DVDs for &#163;5 on Amazon.co.uk - iTunes needs to reduce the price of older movies to stay competitive.

I also hope that in some way it will be integrated with the iTunes Music Store - for one reason: I have loads of iTunes credit and I want to be able to spend it on movies too!

Fingers crossed for the event today. I'm hoping for some good stuff and some common sense from Apple.

[Leemo]

I genuinely think that if Apple are introducing a movie store today they're going to have something rather special up their sleeve - I think pricing should be extremely competitive compared to DVDs otherwise what's the point?

Digital downloads of films (sorry, movies) needs to be made appealing to the masses in the same way music was, with cheap individual prices that compared favourably to CDs - people have gotten used to owning only digital copies of their music, however movies are still in that tangible area of hard media, and I feel Apple are going to have to really be priced competitively to alter public perception of digital distribution of movie content.

Not that they *won't* of course, but I don't think it's going to be necessarily easy.

If they introduce HD content I'll be a very happy bunny.

-Leemo

[Machead III]

6 (SIX) PM UK time :)

I thought it was 5pm?

[iMikeT]

All I can say is that five weeks from now we will see iTunes 8.0 along with a "true" iPod Video.

[Chundles]

I thought it was 5pm?

At 10am in Cupertino it will be 6pm in London.

[aafuss1]

A Invader ZIM or TV show themed iPod (imagine having the sigs of your favourite iTMS TV show's star on a iPod).

Will there be a musical guest, like with 2005.

[MacBoobsPro]

At 10am in Cupertino it will be 6pm in London.

What will it be where you are Chundles? :D

[Chundles]

What will it be where you are Chundles? :D

About 2 hours prior to sparrow-fart.

3am... can't wait to spend yet another late night in front of the computer waiting for Apple to release yet another product I can't afford.

[MacBoobsPro]

About 2 hours prior to sparrow-fart.

3am... can't wait to spend yet another late night in front of the computer waiting for Apple to release yet another product I can't afford.

At about 2am try downloading itunes manually from the itunes page. It will still say 6.x but it may very well be 7. That should keep you occupied for a bit :D Twice i have noticed they upload the new version but keep the previous version number on the page until its announced. I had a play with 5 and 6 about half an hour before they were officially released. :D

[Chundles]

At about 2am try downloading itunes manually from the itunes page. It will still say 6.x but it may very well be 7. That should keep you occupied for a bit :D Twice i have noticed they upload the new version but keep the previous version number on the page until its announced. I had a play with 5 and 6 about half an hour before they were officially released. :D

Noted.

Also, the Aussie Apple website doesn't slow down nearly as much as the US/UK ones when the products come back on. It's very handy.

[Malcster]

I thought it was 5pm?

would be but were on BST (GMT+1) matey.

[Machead III]

would be but were on BST (GMT+1) matey.

t1me sux.

[grahamtearne]

isnt the event being streamed live over to london for the us?

if so i am quietly optimistic about us uk'ers getting a new movie store along with the us. i see no reason to stream it to the uk if the annouced products wont be released here, thats just teasing!

[Malcster]

isnt the event being streamed live over to london for the us?

if so i am quietly optimistic about us uk'ers getting a new movie store along with the us. i see no reason to stream it to the uk if the annouced products wont be released here, thats just teasing!

Yup, i dont reckon he'd stream it live to us just to blow us a raspberry, or any other fruit for that matter.

[jamieg]

A few people have mentioned webcasts and things streamed to London. I live in the UK, can anyone clear things up, am I going to be able to watch the event on the net live (if so, where), or will I just have to make sense of the text scrolling up the screen on this site?


Jamie

[Chundles]

Yup, i dont reckon he'd stream it live to us just to blow us a raspberry, or any other fruit for that matter.

He did it last year. The 5G event was streamed to Europe and you still can't get TV shows. Neither can we but it wasn't streamed here.

[Chundles]

A few people have mentioned webcasts and things streamed to London. I live in the UK, can anyone clear things up, am I going to be able to watch the event on the net live (if so, where), or will I just have to make sense of the text scrolling up the screen on this site?


Jamie

It's streamed to a room with selected journalists, no member of the public will see it until it's posted in full later on by Apple on their website.

[grahamtearne]

A few people have mentioned webcasts and things streamed to London. I live in the UK, can anyone clear things up, am I going to be able to watch the event on the net live (if so, where), or will I just have to make sense of the text scrolling up the screen on this site?


Jamie

the live stream to london is for journalists only

[jamieg]

It's streamed to a room with selected journalists, no member of the public will see it until it's posted in full later on by Apple on their website.

Thanks


:mad:

[sunfast]

It's going to be a good day but for me Apple is being upstaged (sort of).

3pm - Ashes squad announced at the Oval

6pm - some Apple thing

:)

[Malcster]

He did it last year. The 5G event was streamed to Europe and you still can't get TV shows. Neither can we but it wasn't streamed here.

ah i think your right, memory is hazy, the 5G release was so long ago now...

[BRLawyer]

So, let me see...for those of us NOT living in the US, what do we have?

Movie Store - NOT available (downloading movies is not my cup of tea anyway);

Streaming device for movies bought in the iTMS - NOT available as well

New Nanos with SAME capacity?? - No, thanks...

I was going to receive a (female) friend tonight, but she postponed for tomorrow...so this means I will have instead a big "yawning" session tonight at Apple news/rumor sites, with few things applicable to people outside of the US...move along, citizens... :(

[jamieg]

He did it last year. The 5G event was streamed to Europe and you still can't get TV shows. Neither can we but it wasn't streamed here.

But we did get 5G iPods and music video's, I'm sure we will get TV shows eventualy. There are a few more legal issues with selling TV shows in other countries than there would be with movies.

Jamie

[dalvin200]

would be but were on BST (GMT+1) matey.

its a 5PM GMT start

so using your formula above 5PM + 1 = 6PM BST :)

[conditionals]

I was going to receive a (female) friend tonight, but she postponed for tomorrow...

Friends aren't post.

[dalvin200]

It's going to be a good day but for me Apple is being upstaged (sort of).

3pm - Ashes squad announced at the Oval

6pm - some Apple thing

:)

Didn't they spoil the news of freddie being announmced as capt.. personally i think it should be strauss, but this is off topic now :P

[dalvin200]

Friends aren't post.

u beat me to it!! i was going to say a similar thing ;)

[geiger167]

I think you'll find movie distrubution rights outside of USA have the same problems as TV SHOW downloads outside of USA. In other words we wont get any lol, in much the same way as we cant download from the new Amazon movie download servers in the UK. I dont know who actually runs the european side of Apple but they want sacking lol, over a year and no new content outside of USA lol. I'll still follow the feeds though lol cos I'm sad like that :)

[Tymmz]

The hypes around every apple event become a bit annoying, but I still enjoy it.

It's time for Apple to release a new and stunning consumer device.

Movie downloads can't be everything. Hopefully.

Too bad I have to work while the event takes place.

[jamieg]

I think you'll find movie distrubution rights outside of USA have the same problems as TV SHOW downloads outside of USA. In other words we wont get any lol, in much the same way as we cant download from the new Amazon movie download servers in the UK. I dont know who actually runs the european side of Apple but they want sacking lol, over a year and no new content outside of USA lol. I'll still follow the feeds though lol cos I'm sad like that :)


What I mean is that TV channel companies buy exclusive rights to show shows, you will find (in the UK anyway) shows like lost don't go on sale on DVD till after they have been shown on TV. Highstreet shops can't buy the rights to sell DVD movies exclusively. However, I am sure there are plenty of legal issues Apple will have to work around.


Jamie

[Willis]

6pm BST, on what channel? :p

[dalvin200]

6pm BST, on what channel? :p

BBC TWELVE :P

[jshrager]

the distribution rights are totally different for movies.

when a tv show comes out in the us the uk channels buy the rights from the us companies and this often means we don't get the shows in the UK for ages. and they don't come to ITunes in uk as it would be for apple to negotiate this with the uk tv company like channel 4.

some films are released internationally at the same time and so are the DVDs thus there is no reason why these films can't be released on an ITMS in the US, UK and wherever else the DVD would be released worldwide on the same date.

my cousin's an itunes lawyer working nr regents street store in london so she was explaining about tv shows to me....i'll try find out about the probs with movies if indeed the ITMS is released today and not in the UK.

sound reasonable?

[Passante]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.
As I recall itunes was very small when it started.

[MacAodh]

i've a feeling that there's some wierd law that i heard of that all films being launched europe wide had to be launched simultanously in all languages. not sure if that's true or not but that might affect european films coming through (sorry bout the spelling, me no like words :) )

[Coolerking]

Here's a question: Would this IMovie store's movies work on something other than an Ipod, say, a PSP? If that happens you could kiss the UMD's goodbye COMPLETELY.

[skunk]

i've a feeling that there's some wierd law that i heard of that all films being launched europe wide had to be launched simultanously in all languages. not sure if that's true or not but that might affect european films coming through (sorry bout the spelling, me no like words :) )Not that I have heard of.

[Passante]

i must be truly sad..

i had dreams of ipods and apple store online with new products.. and then i couldn't remember my credit card details.. ahhhh.. it was strange..

i swear, if this whole event flops... i'm gonna throw all of my apple gear out!! lol..

there's so much hype.. the press is all over it today.. got it on bbc news, sky news reports.. IN YOUR FACE everywhere you go..

Please throw you iMac in my direction. :D

[kalisphoenix]

I was going to receive a (female) friend tonight, but she postponed for tomorrow...

Call me naïve, but aren't they supposed to receive you?

[Tymmz]

Call me naïve, but aren't they supposed to receive you?

hehe, good one!

[teme]

The smaller EU iTunes stores are not offering any videos, not even music videos or Pixar short movies. I think there is no hope that the new movie store would be available anytime soon for the smaller iTMS countries. Apple has been quite lazy in the smaller countries about the iTMS, not promotions or exclusives... in Finland it seems that the smaller online music stores get the local finnish music content months before iTMS gets them.

[BRLawyer]

Friends aren't post.

So here we go again, teaching english to our fellow MR members:

From the Oxford dictionary:

Receive - (...) "greet or welcome formally"; "be visited by"; or also "accommodate".

No, friends are not post...:rolleyes:

[BRLawyer]

Call me naïve, but aren't they supposed to receive you?

No, as long as they come to my apartment... ;)

[AussieScozza]

With all due respect Sunfast. You are getting excited about a team I suspect will leave Australia with little more than suntans. The urn will not take much to reclaim my friend. Hardly an Apple upstager. Maybe in the near future you can watch each English loss on your new widescreen iPod.

[minnesotamacman]

Daffy Duck is from Warner, not Disney.

Good point! I think that would be Donald Duck who is friends with Mickey.

[xappeal]

I don't think we'll see imedia or any weird name for the new movie store, but rather an expanded version of quicktime will be launched.

Think about it:

Already included with itunes
Established brand name
Already made for mac and pc

Plus the app already is a pretty good player, just needs non-pro fullscreen.

[iGary]

The "Today" show just said as fact, that Apple was releasing a movie service today.

Not saying they are right, but thought it was interesting it was reported as fact.

[Manic Mouse]

I don't think we'll see imedia or any weird name for the new movie store, but rather an expanded version of quicktime will be launched.

Think about it:

Already included with itunes
Established brand name
Already made for mac and pc

Plus the app already is a pretty good player, just needs non-pro fullscreen.

Interesting thought...

[xappeal]

Plus quicktime already has online features....

[Markleshark]

I think/hope it will be included in iTunes. Not that it matters to me I guess, I wont buy films off it.

[Willis]

I cant believe how much press Apple is getting. It was never like this before. IE. when the battery recall was on the news, the BBC/ITV were camped outside of Regent street's Apple store talking about the batteries and what went wrong and what not, even though Dell was involved too. Bit harsh I think.

But, it still suprises me about people and their iPods. I was at college the other day and someone had their iPod out. I pulled my first Gen iPod out my pocket and said "Now this is old school. You can only use this with a Mac" and the student said to me "Whats a Mac?"

After explaining that the iPod is made by a company called Apple, which has made PC's since the 70/80s, he then replied... "oooh, those computers are rubbish"

yeah, whatever you say mate...

EDIT: sorry, just a rant really... but on topic!

[ahuman7341]

The "Today" show just said as fact, that Apple was releasing a movie service today.

Not saying they are right, but thought it was interesting it was reported as fact.
The local NBC morning news here was also reporting it as fact a couple days ago.

[dalvin200]

I cant believe how much press Apple is getting. It was never like this before. IE. when the battery recall was on the news, the BBC/ITV were camped outside of Regent street's Apple store talking about the batteries and what went wrong and what not, even though Dell was involved too. Bit harsh I think.

But, it still suprises me about people and their iPods. I was at college the other day and someone had their iPod out. I pulled my first Gen iPod out my pocket and said "Now this is old school. You can only use this with a Mac" and the student said to me "Whats a Mac?"

After explaining that the iPod is made by a company called Apple, which has made PC's since the 70/80s, he then replied... "oooh, those computers are rubbish"

yeah, whatever you say mate...

EDIT: sorry, just a rant really... but on topic!

HAHAHAHA.. i hate that ignorant type!! ok, i've only switched to a mac at home, but used them loads at uni..

i dread to see how tonights news splashes all over the tech pages of bbc/itv/sky news etc.. tomorrow morning and how the ignorant masses react.

[geiger167]

the distribution rights are totally different for movies.

when a tv show comes out in the us the uk channels buy the rights from the us companies and this often means we don't get the shows in the UK for ages. and they don't come to ITunes in uk as it would be for apple to negotiate this with the uk tv company like channel 4.

some films are released internationally at the same time and so are the DVDs thus there is no reason why these films can't be released on an ITMS in the US, UK and wherever else the DVD would be released worldwide on the same date.

my cousin's an itunes lawyer working nr regents street store in london so she was explaining about tv shows to me....i'll try find out about the probs with movies if indeed the ITMS is released today and not in the UK.

sound reasonable?

Yes understand what you are saying but movie distrubution outside USA is only likely to make the situation worse than the current TV show problems. For example a film distrubuted in America will very likely be distrubuted outside by a different Studio, making any foreign rights to show the movie even more complex. Also dvds generally are released much earlier in US than in europe so a movie available in US say tomorrow on a hypothecical US itunes may not be available to release for download for months on a EURO itunes even if there are no problems with the already mentions foreign distrubution rights. The only reason I complain about this situation is I am perfectly free to import region 1 dvds into the UK to watch for my own personal use (which I have done for many years) so why cant I download a movie or show from Itunes, what exactly is the difference using this example ? Also annoying is that in the UK 10 meg internet lines are now very common (and likely to increase in speed in the next 12 months) so the structure is there already for a download service to succeed (also in most EURO contires like Sweden who have led the way with internet connection speeds for years)
I'm still like a crack whore waiting for a fix anticipating the news though lol

[tvguru]

HAHAHAHA.. i hate that ignorant type!! ok, i've only switched to a mac at home, but used them loads at uni..

i dread to see how tonights news splashes all over the tech pages of bbc/itv/sky news etc.. tomorrow morning and how the ignorant masses react.

I love ignorant people. You just have to :D at them and say oh my mistake. :rolleyes:

[unsaltedrhino]

The local NBC morning news here was also reporting it as fact a couple days ago.

As did Channel 4 news about half an hour ago.

[Chupa Chupa]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.


Do you recall when iTunes launched the video store? The only TV shows were like 3-4 ABC shows + a few Disney Channel shows. I think you are underestimating the power of iTunes to drag studios along. Disney has a large library of titles, and not just Mickey Goes to Camp.

But it's going to be HARDWARE that looms large if a movie store can be sucessfull, then pricing, then content. No WS iPod, and I think the sucess rate goes down dramatically. The majority of people have no desire to watch movies on their computer unless maybe on a laptop if they are travelling.

[avkills]

Apple would be stupid to make a branded portable projector. That market is already saturated by Epson, Eiki, InFocus, NEC, Sony, Panasonic, need I go on...

I think the wireless video streaming device makes more sense. Make the wireless part interchangeable for future upgrades. 720p H.264 could easily stream over 10mbit connections. Better include a HDMI connector, component video out, s-video out and optical/analog audio. If not, it is dead in the water.

-mark

[jagolden]

Daffy Duck is from Warner, not Disney.


Sufferin' Soccatacsshhhh!!!!

[dalvin200]

five hours to go.. grrr..

zzzzzzzzzzz

[jagolden]

gahh!
brushed aluminium nano = good
no storage bump = bad

Yeah, I'd like a Nano with a form facto like the Mini except thinner with all metal enclosure. The Minis are tough, the Nanos feel cheap and don't take the same beating as a Mini. Considering the Mini is HD based and the Nano is flash based I think that says something. I (personally) don't care about a video iPod, I'd much prefer a Nano with video cappability as the video would only be a time filler for me waiting for appointments, etc.

As to "It's Showtime!" I'm afraid the general Apple/Mac population may be dissapointed. I have no inside information, simply a feeling based on what has or hasn't been said in the many forums.

In terms of devices for the masses, Apples been in a lull. They need to keep pulling rabitts out of the hat to impress people and drive sales.
The iPods and iTunes are tops but eventually they've got to address the biggest iPod issue and that's battery life. It's poor even for the flashed based units.
I listen to my iPod mostly at night. Granted the sound quality is not equal, but I cab get at least 4, 8-hour nights out of one AA battery in a RIO S10, 256K (or something), but only 2 nights out of a 1 gig shuffle or 4 gig Mini.

Other manufactures, especially Sony seem to be able to get incredible battery life. I understand there are differences in bitrate and coding involved, but it doesn't seem to account for the large discrepency in battery life.

[Proud Liberal]

I'm in Washington D.C. (8:24am EST) and just tried going into iTMS and there's a black page, with white text, announcing "It's Showtime. The iTunes Store is being updated." Here come the movies!

[ju5tin81]

The main thing is... (For me anyway) is the ability to burn a film to DVD....

It'll be hard to make an impulse purchase on a new film, that I can only watch on my Mac, or, until I spend a few hundred quid buying a new iPod or wireless streaming gizmo for my telly... (Something I'd prefer not to do)

Can we please burn them so we can watch films on normal DVD players!

Just like iTunes does with CD's. (Don't mind if there is a restriction on numbers that can be burnt etc. Only gonna do it once.)

Also, aren't laptop HD's gonna need to grow up to accomodate all this media? A desktop, easy, get an external, but I'd like me (New MacBook) laptop to be attachment free!

[ju5tin81]

I'm in Washington D.C. (8:24am EST) and just tried going into iTMS and there's a black page, with white text, announcing "It's Showtime. The iTunes Store is being updated." Here come the movies!


in UK, I just get a 'sorry, music store busy message'.... hmmm....

[milo]

If it's just Disney, then there's not much point. The reason iTMS succeeded from the start was that it was simple and it had the largest library from which you could purchase single songs. If the iTunes Movie store starts with just Disney movies, then it's dead in the water. Let's just hope that ThinkSecret is wrong again, as usual.


WRONG. The video (TV) store only had ABC when it first started, and it still sold a million videos in 20 days or so. Look at it now. And even the music store didn't have everything right away.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just disney, or not much more. Virtually ALL the rumor sites are reporting this, ThinkSecret is just repeating what they hear elsewhere.

Maybe, but to impact the market, you need a critical mass. Didn't iTMS have 200,000-300,000 songs when it opened?

Who else is? Anyway, my point was more that if Disney is all the iTunes Movie Store has to offer, it will look like a huge marketing failure, and the media will feed on it... If it's true, expect predictions of Apple's pending demise on Wednesday...

See above. The TV store only started with ABC, and it's considered a big success. It's simple, if the Disney movies sell like hotcakes, the other studios will all jump on the bandwagon. Just like TV.

I believe that an airport extreme, or 802.11g is plenty fast to stream High-def Video, and shouldn't apple change the name of itunes at this point, since it is now a multimedia piece of software?

I think it's too late, it would be really stupid to throw away such strong branding.

New Nanos with SAME capacity?? - No, thanks...

What makes you think that? The rumors say no new features, but it would be pretty unthinkable not to bump capacity after so long.

[ZLurker]

I'm in Washington D.C. (8:24am EST) and just tried going into iTMS and there's a black page, with white text, announcing "It's Showtime. The iTunes Store is being updated." Here come the movies!
hmmmm,
i just tried the same with the swedish store, and its down :)
maby this will be a world event afterall!!

[dalvin200]

come on guys.. stop crashing the iTunes Store :)

[milo]

Can we please burn them so we can watch films on normal DVD players!


Not gonna happen. Apple will let you watch in the living room, it will just be via wireless streaming.

[Chundles]

hmmmm,
i just tried the same with the swedish store, and its down :)
maby this will be a world event afterall!!

Yeah, but I'll bet it's not the "It's Showtime" splash screen is it? Just the busy connection dialogue box.

[ju5tin81]

Not gonna happen. Apple will let you watch in the living room, it will just be via wireless streaming.

Damn! It would've given them the edge over Amazons 'unbox' thing and made them seem fairer... Ah well...

As long as there are no big 'WARNING' screens that you can't skip through like on a DVD disc....

[longsilver]

The Stores seem to be listing MacBook delivery times as 5-7 working days. Is that normal or has it been increased? If it's an increase might that suggest a speedbump or something? There's not been much rumour activity around that though.

[Fredou51]

Canada iTunes music store shows "It's Showtime. The iTunes Store is being updated." as well!!
Fred

[Machead III]

If they can't be burnt to DVD they're gonna have to be mad cheap.

[redAPPLE]

I was going to receive a (female) friend tonight, but she postponed for tomorrow...so this means I will have instead a big "yawning" session tonight at Apple news/rumor sites, with few things applicable to people outside of the US...move along, citizens... :(

why would a female friend postpone?

[milo]

The Stores seem to be listing MacBook delivery times as 5-7 working days. Is that normal or has it been increased? If it's an increase might that suggest a speedbump or something? There's not been much rumour activity around that though.

Not at this event.

[adamfilip]

• Some analysts believe (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2032) that this is the first of many consumer electronic announcements from Apple in the coming months.


Wow those analysts really are going out on a limb with those predictions.

Hmm a consumer electronics company will introduce comsumer electronics over time.. crazy crazy.. who would have thunk it
:rolleyes:

[this is funah]

i just hope that iTunes 7 has better video handling... the video podcasts tend to overload the CPU, making me just open them in QT

[freeny]

Bring on the iPod widescreen!!!

[brepublican]

why would a female friend postpone?
Yeah, this kinda sounds fishy to me :confused:

Did someone get dumped??

"Honey lets go see the new Steve Carrell movie"
"Yeah, about that, there's a HUGE Apple product announcement tonight... and I'd like to be next to my new MacPro so that I dont miss a thing... can we go some other time?"
*girl storms out of house*
:D :D

[longsilver]

Wow those analysts really are going out on a limb with those predictions.

Hmm a consumer electronics company will introduce comsumer electronics over time.. crazy crazy.. who would have thunk it
:rolleyes:

But it sounds so much better (and well paid) in corporatespeak:

...and going forward we'll see CE outrolls Q4/06 through Q1/07 with OEM rampings... yaddayaddayadda :)

[mrgreen4242]

Predictions:

99.9% - Movies in iTMS - Duh.
90% - New iPods... both a new model for the movies, and a refresh of the nano.
65% - Airport Express AV, or something similar. Got to have a way to get those movies to your TV.
35% - Mac mini Media Edition. An even better way to get all your media to your TV. Larger than the current mini to accomodate full size HDD and greater heat dissipation from constant HDD use. 1.66ghz Core Duo, 1gb RAM, 250gb HDD, upgradable to 500gb, SD, various TV outs (component, HDMI, SVideo, etc), some audio inputs perhaps, Dolby Digital out... will the GPU be the GMA950 is the $1,000,000 question. I'd say probably because why not? If it's not ... it could become the answer to a lot of requests for a mid-range headless Mac.
40% - TV shows get an update. Most of them go to DVD quality for $1.99 (to go with that new 720x480 iPod!), some get the HD treatment for a buck or two extra (Lost being the prime suspect - best HD production out there, an iTMS best seller, and an ABC - read: Disney - show).
30% - iPod Phone. An eventuality, but maybe not this event.
15% - HD movies. As much as I would like it, it's not quite time yet.
.1% - A REAL headless mid range is release (Mac mini Pro/iMac mini). Hey, I gotta hold out some hope!

[Cooknn]

If they can't be burnt to DVD they're gonna have to be mad cheap.How you gonna burn it to DVD if it's Hi-Def?

[RichyHo]

Wow those analysts really are going out on a limb with those predictions.

I am still of the opinion that the key to todays announcements is a large (30-50"), imac-styled, wall-mounted(?) computer with FULL media center capabilities. It would team up nicely with the iTunes movies angle and could be what the initial rumors of a 30" iMac were all about. &#163;2000+ price point. HD, 5/7.1, inbuilt digital TV decoder. Consumer electronics? Maybe the 24" iMac was pushed out early to squash the 30" rumor? Just a guess.

Ah well... not long now....

[Ensoniq]

I am not sure if the pricing reported earlier for the videos is correct, but I did want to comment on one thing...

If the pricing IS correct ($9.99 for iPod version, $14.99 for TV version, $19.99 for both) then the movie studios who didn't sign on because they didn't feel those prices were fair can go and "F" themselves. :)

Essentially $20 bucks for 2 electronic versions with no DVD packaging, manufacturing and shipping to deal with could make a lot of money for the studios. To say that price is "not good enough" on their behalf just smacks of greed.

Whether $20 a pop is a good price for the consumer is debatable...it depends on their tech level. Those of us reading these forums mostly would rather go buy a new DVD in the store for $20 and then rip it ourselves for our own use. But many others don't want to be bothered, and would be happy to have pre-ripped versions for download and avoid ammassing an even larger collection of DVD boxes taking up space in their bookshelves.

Just like with new Mac computer releases...Apple comes up with options designed for the entire base they plan to sell to, not solely based on "power-user" needs/desires. $20 a pop is NOT "too expensive" for pricing for many...it's not a DISCOUNTED price, but it's a fair price and if the movies need to sell for $20 to get all the studios on board (in the future, if not now), that is more important than trying to be an uber-discount movie sales site.

Those who've mentioned Netflix are missing the point...doesn't matter what Netflix costs vs. iTunes movies because Netflix is a rental-based system and iTunes is purchases you own. If you don't WANT/NEED to own the movies, Netflix is awesome. You can't compare iTunes movies to that market though.

[mrgreen4242]

How you gonna burn it to DVD if it's Hi-Def?

You can burn HD video to DVD as long as you have something that can play it back, eg a Mac mini Media Edition. A DVD-R DL would hold a 2hr 1080p H.264 movie (with only stereo sound and a less than perfect, imo, bitrate). More better would be 720p with 5.1 and a very high bitrate on a DVD-R DL.

All new Macs have DL SD (well, all new Macs with SDs)... I know DVD-R DL blanks are still $1-2 a piece, but have you seen the price for a BR or HDDVD movie?

[wwooden]

To me, the price has to be very competitive for me to consider buying or renting one. Unless we can stream DVD quality video and audio from the internet to our tv's, these downloads are going to take a long time. I can see it taking several hours to before it finishes. I could go to the movie store and back and watch the movie before it would be done.

Sony already showed with the PSP that having a proprietary video format (UMD) and pricing the same as a DVD (sometimes higher) with less features pretty much means death to the format. For me, buying a movie needs to be less then $10, no acceptions. Ideally, I would want to be able to burn them to a DVD, but I know that won't happen.

I do see potential for cool things to happen. Say, for example, that you are watching a movie and really like the soundtrack, there could be some type of link in the movie menu to go to that soundtrack in the iTMS. Or a link to the screenplay or the audiobook of the original story.

Here's hoping to a successful day for Apple.

[redalpha]

http://www.apple.com/nl/quicktime/mac.html

Left Bottom (Itunes Videos)

iTunes-video's

Transporter 2Transporter 2
20th Century Fox

Red EyeRed Eye
Dreamworks S.K.G.

World of Warcraft Burning CrusadeWorld of Warcraft Burning Crusade

Enigmo2Enigmo 2

[longsilver]

All new Macs have DL SD (well, all new Macs with SDs)...

Is that true of the MacBook and the 15.4" MacBook Pro? I thought they didn't have DL.

[HecubusPro]

The Stores seem to be listing MacBook delivery times as 5-7 working days. Is that normal or has it been increased? If it's an increase might that suggest a speedbump or something? There's not been much rumour activity around that though.

No. This is due to macbook shortages mostly due to the busy back-to-school season. This was reported and even sent out in a release by Apple.

[HecubusPro]

How you gonna burn it to DVD if it's Hi-Def?

Perhaps they'll include HD-DVD burners in the new MBP's. :) Hey, I can dream can't I? :D

I can't? Darn.

[mrgreen4242]

Is that true of the MacBook and the 15.4" MacBook Pro? I thought they didn't have DL.

Hey, I just looked at you're right! That's pretty f'n chinsy of Apple! They advertise them as READING DL discs, which is what confused me... deceptive marketing bastards. Seriously, I can see (I guess) not putting it in the MB Pro if it meant they couldnt get it as thin as they wanted, but the MB really is under know such constraint - people aren't buying it for being uber slim and sexy. It's a good looking, functional, somewhat low priced portable. It only lacks the DL 'cuz the Pro does... the mini gets a DL drive!

[Cooknn]

Perhaps they'll include HD-DVD burners in the new MBP's. :)I figure that's why the new Mac Pro's come with the extra optical drive bay - to accomodate a Blu-Ray / HD-DVD drive when they hit the streets. Then we can burn true HD content (with Dolby Digital EX sound).

[Buschmaster]

Do you recall when iTunes launched the video store? The only TV shows were like 3-4 ABC shows + a few Disney Channel shows. I think you are underestimating the power of iTunes to drag studios along. Disney has a large library of titles, and not just Mickey Goes to Camp.

But it's going to be HARDWARE that looms large if a movie store can be sucessfull, then pricing, then content. No WS iPod, and I think the sucess rate goes down dramatically. The majority of people have no desire to watch movies on their computer unless maybe on a laptop if they are travelling.
Actually I believe it was 3... if my memory is holding true... it was...
The Office, Desperate Housewives, and Lost.

I remember it clearly because it was right next to when I got my new video iPod.... hmmmmmmm.....

[berkleeboy210]

OK, Now i'm really ticked off.... - Had about $300 in unauthorized charges to my debit, this morning. so now I have no Debit card to buy anything Apple Related today with :mad:

Which Means, they WILL release the True Video iPod, and the iPhone.

Damn Scammers ruin our lives.

[milo]

Actually I believe it was 3... if my memory is holding true... it was...
The Office, Desperate Housewives, and Lost.

Nope. The office was later, initial release was all ABC and Disney.

Desperate Housewives, Lost, Night Stalker, That’s So Raven, The Suite Life of Zack & Cody

[lax33]

I see everyone has been wondering about content should Apple offer movie downloads via iTunes. How coincidental is it that Lionsgate made a statement recently about iTunes offering movie downloads in the near future. Lionsgate also has one of the largest film libraries and has been rumored as a potential takeover in recent months as well.

[840quadra]

Minimal impact, or importance, but interesting..

http://images.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/images/sjwwdc.jpg
Link image to WWDC keynote

http://images.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/showtime06/images/showtime_lbx.jpg
Link image for Special event keynote

Note that the image for this webcast is wider. I doubt it has any significance with regards to what is going to be showin for debut, but it is intriguing to me for some reason.

[ImNoSuperMan]

Alrite. UK store Down too.

[Proud Liberal]

...I know the media invite says "It's Showtime" and we know what the connotation is for that. But I find it interesting that the theater where the event is being held is done up with huge silhouette iPod ads, which doesn't really fit the "It's Showtime" theme, unless the new true video iPod is also going to be announced in conjunction with the movie download service. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[yg17]

...I know the media invite says "It's Showtime" and we know what the connotation is for that. But I find it interesting that the theater where the event is being held is done up with huge silhouette iPod ads, which doesn't really fit the "It's Showtime" theme, unless the new true video iPod is also going to be announced in conjunction with the movie download service. :confused: :confused: :confused:


I think the true video iPod is pretty much guaranteed to be released today.

[berkleeboy210]

Must be alot coming out today, if the store is down 1hr and 15min before the actual event.

[al85]

Even if the video ipod is released, whats the chance it will let u just drag and drop files into it e.g .avi.

[Proud Liberal]

I think the true video iPod is pretty much guaranteed to be released today.

I LOVE your avatar! Nothing is truer or says it better!

[mrgreen4242]

Must be alot coming out today, if the store is down 1hr and 15min before the actual event.

Oooh, ya the whole Apple store is down now... so ~5 hours before the event iTMS goes down, and 1+ hour before the web store goes down. Doesn't the store usually only go down right before an event? Like for WWDC it went down maybe 15 minutes ahead of the keynote, or at least that's how I remember it.

Seems like maybe we'll get more than iPods... maybe a new line of media systems (like my predicted Mac mini Media Edition)?

Exciting stuff! Glad it doesn't start 'till after I get back from lunch! ;)

EIT: Odd that the store sign says we'll be back within the hour when the event doesn't even start for an hour... I assume its just a standard template page, but how hard would it have been to change the text to say 'in a couple of hours', or at 2pm EST, or even 'as soon as possible!'?

[Chupa Chupa]

Engadget is reporting that Woz will be in the audience today. When is the last time Woz showed up at anything Apple? This event could be bigger than we thought if it gets Woz to show up.

[DrFrankTM]

Engadget is reporting that Woz will be in the audience today. When is the last time Woz showed up at anything Apple? This event could be bigger than we thought if it gets Woz to show up.

Apple's 30th birthday party? A bit late, for sure, but it's not like they did much on April 1st.

[CiBoys]

iTV YAYYYYYYY took 2 years FINALLY!!!:D
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/09/dsc_0993.jpg

and this ........... OMG!!!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/09/shuffle.jpg