2G iPod Nano Introduced

[MacRumors]

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Apple today introduced its 2G iPod Nano (http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/), available in 5 colors depending on model. Apple claims the new model can get up to 24 hours of battery life, and the screen is 40% brighter. The new models are as follows, and are available today:

2 GB: $149
-Silver only

4 GB: $199
-Silver, Pink, Green, Blue

8 GB: $249
-Black only

Alongside the new Nano, billboard and TV (http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ads/) advertising campaigns for the products were announced.

[~Shard~]

Well, the keynote had me there for a second with the whole “52% smaller” thing ;) but now that it has been clarified, I still think this is a solid update for the nanos – lower prices, higher capacities, more colors, 24 hour battery life – it’s all good. :cool:

[spicyapple]

24 hours battery life!! WOW. I want one, in addition to the shuffle! I bought my 4GB nano last month, but should have waited....

~Shard~ my jaw dropped when iLounge first reported the nano was 52% smaller in volume. Too bad it wasn't true, because then I would have had to get one!

[BlizzardBomb]

To make the Nano 52% smaller they would have to use witchcraft :p

[Lau]

I like them, but I prefer the look of the old ones. The non-cosmetic upgrades are great though, and I'd be more inclined to buy a new one just because of that. That is, unless I can find a cheap one someone's flogging in the Marketplace...:D

[BlizzardBomb]

That is, unless I can find a cheap one someone's flogging in the Marketplace...:D

Well it's not like there's a shortage of choice in the marketplace :p

[baleensavage]

It looks like Apple got sick of the scratch complaints and went back to the Mini design. Odd that Apple would take a step back on the design front. Of course I always thought the Nanos were boring anyway, so maybe now this will give me an incentive to get one.

And let the "I have to pay how much extra for black" complaints begin...

[LaMerVipere]

This is what the iPod nano always should have been: a radically slimmer iPod mini.

Love the colors. Love the new (old) shape. Love the new (old) aluminum scratch-free design.

I want one. ;)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Just ordered a silver 4GB with inscription for my girlfriend. It's her birthday present (from last month) and she got to choose the colour herself... :)

Ordered a Tucano Second Skin Guaina for my MacBook at the same time to save a buck on shipping... ;)

Now that the nanos look (and presumably feel) like the minis I might be tempted to get a nano, and not just a new battery, whenever my 1G green mini's battery decides to quit... a green 4GB nano would be a perfect replacement...

[~Shard~]

~Shard~ my jaw dropped when iLounge first reported the nano was 52% smaller in volume. Too bad it wasn't true, because then I would have had to get one!

You're not alone on that one! ;) :D My Engineer brain was trying to compute how that would even be possible, and to no avail... ;)

[milo]

Looks pretty awesome, I've been waiting all summer for this. I'll be buying one for my wife as soon as apple stores have them in stock. They say today, but I'm guessing it will be at least a few days?

[Chimera]

Ordered a black 8GB should be here on or before Friday!:)

[~Shard~]

Looks pretty awesome, I've been waiting all summer for this. I'll be buying one for my wife as soon as apple stores have them in stock. They say today, but I'm guessing it will be at least a few days?

Yeah, that's usually the way it works - I'd say a few days is more realistic for a product like this one. And expect it to sell quickly. :cool:

[mdntcallr]

well, nice update. the old ipods looked nice. err umm new ones i mean.

hell they brought back an old case. weird. how about a nice Black one?

also.... why not add fm inside of them, why need to buy an add on?

just askin

[Fredou51]

It looks like Apple got sick of the scratch complaints and went back to the Mini design. Odd that Apple would take a step back on the design front. Of course I always thought the Nanos were boring anyway, so maybe now this will give me an incentive to get one.

And let the "I have to pay how much extra for black" complaints begin...
At least you get 8GB instead of four. You don't pay that extra just for the color. The 50$ difference for that extra 4GB capacity is reasonable compared to the 200$ for 80GB instead of 60GB on the Macbook especially since you can upgrade the white macbook to 80GB for 50$. So the Macbook is actually 150$ for the color while the nano is 50$ for the color and the capacity.

[Katharine]

Can we get the new ones with the school promotion?

[phytonix]

the education store sell these ipods for the same price as normal store
what does this mean? is it the end of discount? apple want more money? what?

update:

and the education store free ipod promo is still the old ones.
I guess probably we will see edu price for new nano after this promo ends.

[anastasis]

Hmmm... no edu discounts on any of the new iPods. wonder if that will change once the promotion is over.

[corywoolf]

My Prediction (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2822513&postcount=376)
"I really expect it to be a mixture of a let down and goodness. There is likely going to be new nanos, I work at the 5th Ave. CompUSA and can tell you that we are out of almost all the nanos. That never happens, we are also out of the iSight, both the 5th Ave. and SoHo Apple stores are too. We are also out of all the Shuffles too. Expect to see new nanos and an iSight. Of course the Video Store rumors are all but confirmed, so expect a rename of the Music Store to something more fitting, as well as iTunes 7.0.

Definitely:
- iPod G6 (most likely 16x9)
- Movie Downloads

Possible:
- nanos (higher capacity, new look)
- iSight (higher resolution, much smaller form factor, connect to iPod)
- iPod line division (Dedicated Music iPod vs. Video iPod)
- iTunes 7.0
- Airport Express with Video (Showtime)
- New iPod Shuffle or discontinuation

Unlikely:
- iPod G6 with WiFi for mobile downloads and iChat video conferencing (with optional iSight attachment)
- High Def. movies
- MacBook Pro w/ Merom

Now for a guess of the pricing:
2 GB nano: $129.99
4 GB nano: $199.99
8 GB nano: $249.99

60 GB iPod Video: $299.99
80 GB iPod Video: $399.99"

Pretty darn close, I was off on some of the prices. :eek:
I guess I'm just a good guesser? :confused:

Edit: Originally thought it was 60 & 80 GB models introduced, guess I was off on capacity as well.

[morpheus256]

Can we get the new ones with the school promotion?
nope, i called the store, and they will not do the new nano's with the school discount, but aparently they will do the new videos :confused:
seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.

[Bibulous]

Nice upgrade, the color options on the small and big ones are kind of lame, but I hope they will work with a firewire to dock cable for those of us without USB 2.

[prady16]

Blue is the best!

[Fredou51]

Can we get the new ones with the school promotion?
I don't think so because if you add a computer to the cart, it says "Get a free nano.. blahblahblah" and it links to a page with the old nano model but a lower price. The pdf mail-in-rebate has also been updated with two columns, one with the old prices (ordered before sept 12) and one with the new prices (ordered after sept 12) but always with the old model.
Fred

[nagromme]

Google for "thread 500" and click the top match--always hilarious :)

If the new nanos played games and videos (I know--really small) I'd HAVE to buy one. So I'm glad they don't :)

The case combines the best of the Mini and Nano--all good.

[Koodauw]

Just ordered the black 8GB. Was tempted by the silver, but bigger and blacker won out.

[Manatee]

I'm stopping at the Apple Store after work to (hopefully) get the 8GB. I wish it came in other colors. I really like the pink and the green.

Can't wait to plug my Shure E500s into something new. :)

It'll be sad to retire my old black 4GB, as it's almost reach the zenith of scratchedness -- where you can barely read text on the screen. It will now join the others in my iPod "Museum".

Still waiting for the regular iPod with full-coverage touch screen and virtual control wheel. ;)

[skellener]

Odd. 8GB nano and 30GB video iPod = same price. I guess you really pay for "small"!

[Queso]

I wanted a silver 8GB one. Now I'm torn :(

EDIT: Made up my mind. 4GB silver and the extra £40 in my pocket. Besides, silver'll look better in my Bose SoundDock :)

[Bregalad]

While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.

I would prefer the option to grab a quick weather forecast, news headline or actually hear a song I don't own once in a while, but that's not the iPod way. The iPod is all about your content not someone else's.

[fblack]

glad they brought back some colors. tech in U.S. sometimes seems color challenged. :)

great that its up to 24hrs run time. 52% made me go gaga for a few minutes there too.:D

I still want wireless headphones from apple tho, like the logitech I have for my ipod mini only better. :cool:

[skellener]

Another thing that will NEVER happen is an Apple DVR. iTV is for use with iTunes downloadable content. Apple will never release a recording device. It's not their model. They would rather you ditch your satellite and cable and go with getting your shows from iTunes - hence the iTV.

[2nyRiggz]

This is what the iPod nano always should have been: a radically slimmer iPod mini.

Love the colors. Love the new (old) shape. Love the new (old) aluminum scratch-free design.

I want one. ;)

Indeed....the mini is back. The 8gig in black only is the killer though.



Bless

[Wolfpup]

I'm disapointed by the lack of educational pricing, and I don't like the new look as well...

err, the old look, since they look like mini Minis.
But on the other hand, they also look more rugged, and I agree that technology is color challenged! Just wish the colors were more appealing to me-they're kind of gaudy. Oh well, if I get one it will be the 2GB model anyway for Podcasts.

[Play Ultimate]

Almost time to use that $50 iPod Claims Store Credit. :)

[Rooivalk]

No white colour anymore...?

I have a white Macbook and I want a white Nano. :(

[JSchwage]

Personally I'm getting tired of Apple and their color choices. You have to pay more for black? What if you want 8 GB but you don't want black? What then? I'm not liking the approach Apple is taking on the color choices of their products.

[Chrispy]

So... damn... tempting

[Speedracer04]

Just checked with the store and the only new iPod available with the promotion is the 30GB video, cant get the new nanos or the 80GB

[Roba]

I am pleased to see these colour iPods back. I have a 6GB Mini and i would have liked Apple to have made maybe a 6GB or 8GB Nano in different colours. If i get one of these new Nanos it would feel like a bit of a downgrade to me in terms of space. I guess that i would be gaining in other areas though. I do suspect though that Apple will up the hard drive capacity on these colour Nanos in the future.
It is a bit strange they way that they have done this though making all the colour ones 4GB and the 8GB the black one only.

I noticed also that they only support 10.3.9 and up all those who are using older Mac Software are going to face a bit of a problem if they want to buy one of these new Nanos.

[fabsgwu]

Nice upgrade, the color options on the small and big ones are kind of lame, but I hope they will work with a firewire to dock cable for those of us without USB 2.

NO FireWire sync support since the G5/Nano iPod's. This is why I'm crying today :rolleyes:

You can charge your USB 2.0 iPod via FireWire, but don't hold your breath for increased FireWire support from Apple for future products.

[susannahyork]

I too think that the colors are ugly... there should always be a white ipod at every level.

and i think they should use ceramics

[dan-o-mac]

Personally I'm getting tired of Apple and their color choices. You have to pay more for black? What if you want 8 GB but you don't want black? What then? I'm not liking the approach Apple is taking on the color choices of their products.

Your not paying a premium for the color, you get 8GB. What sucks is you can't get 8GB in colors, lame move on Apple's part with no reason behind it.

[fabsgwu]

While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.

I would prefer the option to grab a quick weather forecast, news headline or actually hear a song I don't own once in a while, but that's not the iPod way. The iPod is all about your content not someone else's.

Get an iPod radio remote and stick it in your mouth ;)

Seriously tho, with the announcement of the BluPod (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/blupod-ipod-add-on-offers-caller-id-radio-features/)(FM Radio and Bluetooth Caller ID remote) it seems 3rd parties will jump in the FM tuner add-on to compete with Apple (hopefully at a lower price).

[p0intblank]

I really love these new iPod nanos. They look so nice in color! I would love to have a green one, but I don't need it. I'm waiting for the true iPod video to sell my 5G and buy one of those instead. :D

Overall, nice keynote! I have to say, though... the new Dock icon for iTunes is pretty ugly. Its interface is cool and all, but I'm going to have to get used to the "non-Aqua" feel it has. The third view mode (albums on a rack) is awe-inspiring, though. I laughed with excitement when I first saw it. :p

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.And some of us are eternally grateful for that... :)

Get the accessory for extra functions... :rolleyes:

[milo]

Can we get the new ones with the school promotion?

Nope. You can read the PDF on the apple website for details.

seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.

You're not suggesting we should feel sorry for someone getting a FREE nano, even if it's the previous model?

While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.

They already have a radio tuner add-on if you really want one. Personally, the whole point of getting an iPod is so I can avoid radio.

[Queso]

I've got a 3-hour train journey both Saturday and Sunday, so could do with a new iPod. Did the keynote mention whether these are in the Apple retail stores immediately?

[BRLawyer]

Honestly, with these new Nanos and the Shuffle there is simply NO competition...these revamps are just what Apple needed, and it did it perfectly...the best of Minis, the best of Nanos...AWESOME..!

The black Nano is gonna be on my shopping list now...GO APPLE!

[motulist]

Old nano
3.5 x 1.6 x 0.27 inches
1.5 ounces

New nano
3.5 × 1.6 × 0.26
1.41 ounces

[coolchan]

nope, i called the store, and they will not do the new nano's with the school discount, but aparently they will do the new videos :confused:
seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.

Thanks lame. I was going to order a black one with the discount! Gahh.. well have to wait a bit then.

[diegozuniga]

I was actually hoping to get Merom chips into the Macbook today, so i have been waiting for today to purchase my new Macbook. But i do not see the old Ipod nano's there and i suppose the new ones don't fall into the deal. Is this correct??? Also, why don't these have the EDU discount. Thanks in advance!!!!

[FadeToBlack]

I was hoping they'd release a new nano today! Just placed my order for a 4GB Silver one! :cool:

[peharri]

Did anyone else read the topic and say "You got that wrong! There already was a 2G iPod nano, it's the 8G one that's interesting!"

It took a few rereads before I realised they meant "2nd Generation"

[mediababy]

Colors are fugly, as are the square ipod mini corners.
You would think the designer would take a trip to Tokyo once in awhile.

How about mocha chocolate, orange, or white.

Ipods used to be small status items. These look like sh**

I will take the new shuffle, at least it is small & I can hide it.

[Jimmieboy]

How cool are thenew are the new nano's and also there is a price drop for th 30GB iPod. I want one! Please. It's a real pity the black one has to be 8GB. Why can't we have all the colours or have it white?

[BWhaler]

Fantastic upgrade for the nano.

I will be buying one once I replace my laptop (running out of hard disk space so I had to back-up and remove my music from the laptop.)

What a great event across the board.

[Balli]

Can the new Nanos play videos?

[motulist]

Can the new Nanos play videos?

No. Not unless you want to replace the apple firmware.

[Chupa Chupa]

I'm stopping at the Apple Store after work to (hopefully) get the 8GB. I wish it came in other colors. I really like the pink and the green.



They are in stock there already?

[captainbeefheat]

Ok I guess i won't be able to get the new nano with the student offer, which doesn;t bother me that much as I *should* get a hundred pounds back. However as it seems the price has gone down a little on the 4GB nano i added does that mean i still have to pay the old price? That seems a little unfair when it hasn't even shipped yet I'm paying more then if I had waited a couple of days? I ordered on Friday btw.

[FoxyKaye]

Seems like black is, well, the new black.

I suppose the 8GB Nano only being available in black is some kind of status thing.

Though I really like the new cases a lot as throwbacks to the Mini. I've got a 20GB 2G iPod from back in the day that's still going strong. But it's nice to know I could replace it with something as cool looking as the old Minis - especially in a year or so when Nano capacity will probably be 8-16GB (or maybe even over 20GB?!).

[BRLawyer]

Colors are fugly, as are the square ipod mini corners.
You would think the designer would take a trip to Tokyo once in awhile.

How about mocha chocolate, orange, or white.

Ipods used to be small status items. These look like sh**

I will take the new shuffle, at least it is small & I can hide it.

And you are not a troll, right? :rolleyes: Do ya want a new Nano or not? :rolleyes:

[Me1000]

I personaly liked the design of the original Nano better, but im temptedto trade in my 4GB black nano for an 8 GB one!

Too bad its personalized :(

[buffalo]

I personaly liked the design of the original Nano better, but im temptedto trade in my 4GB black nano for an 8 GB one!

Too bad its personalized :(

Which part of the new 8 GB nano is personalized? You don't have to get an engraving... :confused:

[corywoolf]

Which part of the new 8 GB nano is personalized? You don't have to get an engraving... :confused:
I think he meant his nano, that he owns, is personalized.

[notjustjay]

Ordered a 2 gig at the new lower price. This will be a surprise for my brother, whose 2 gig nano (that he got free with MacBook purchase) was run over by a car a few weekends ago. He was quite unhappy. I take some responsibility for it because, following my lead, we ran across the busy street rather than walking to the nearby traffic light. The iPod fell out of his pocket when he broke into the run.

Moral of the story: don't jaywalk, kids!

[zap2]

Green iPod..I wanted a Green Mini, but my local Apple store was out when I went to buy it, but they only had Gold..so I went with it..now I can get a Green one!

[buffalo]

I think he meant his nano, that he owns, is personalized.

Thanks, that makes more sense.


Also, can anyone tell me if there's going to be gapless playback on the original nanos through a software update.

[EDIT] Does anyone know if the original iPod nano dock will work with the new nano? If I decide to upgrade, I'd rather not spend another $30 on a new dock.

[P.B.]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/hands-on-with-the-2g-ipod-nano-rainbow/

First live pictures i've found,
any more somewhere on the net?

PS: does the stream work for you?

[ddrueckhammer]

This thing will sell like mad but why didn't they just make the the mini smaller and flash based last year?

[no1]

I wanted a silver 8GB one. Now I'm torn :(

EDIT: Made up my mind. 4GB silver and the extra £40 in my pocket. Besides, silver'll look better in my Bose SoundDock :)

i did the same thing. :p

i figured out that maybe 4GB is good, because i have to load it in every 24 hour.. so at the same time i can change tracklist easily. i have 30 GB library so even 8GB wouldn't be enough for all my music.

i just can't see black ipod nano in same room with my powerbook and technics sl-1200 silver.

[Johnpartridge]

Can someone give me some idea when the Apple Store Birmingham UK will get the new nano's in stock ?

Its only a few minutes from my house so i believe a purchase is in order of a new Lime Green Nano :)

John

[ipedro]

Did nobody not notice that the Nano ad shows the clickwheel glowing along with the screen? Looking at photos of the new Nano kind of kicks down that prospect, but it's a little of a let down when you realize the click wheel does not glow like in the ad.

It would be sweet though. :rolleyes:

[Chundles]

iLounge has a "First Look" article with photos of all models and accessories. They say that the new nanos have the Search and Smart Scroll feature of the new 5G iPod. Hopefully we with the plastic nanos won't miss out on that. I'm expecting an iPod Updater soon.

[MovieCutter]

nope, i called the store, and they will not do the new nano's with the school discount, but aparently they will do the new videos :confused:
seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.

Yeah, seems sly to give away iPod nanos for free, those bastards...:rolleyes:

Get a grip.

[Me1000]

I think he meant his nano, that he owns, is personalized.


Yeah sorry if i want clear... ^ thats what i ment!

;)

[ImNoSuperMan]

iLounge has a "First Look" article with photos of all models and accessories. They say that the new nanos have the Search and Smart Scroll feature of the new 5G iPod. Hopefully we with the plastic nanos won't miss out on that. I'm expecting an iPod Updater soon.

So you have no intentions of any sleep tonight:D . Or is it already day:rolleyes: ??

[Jovian9]

Great update for these. The aluminum is much more durable on iPods. My wife's mini was great!......now we'll have to get one of these :)

[dan-o-mac]

It's a real pity the black one has to be 8GB. Why can't we have all the colours or have it white?

Greed on Apple's part might be the reason. I'm sure they will wait a few months after everyone has bought the 4GB in color, then announce 8GB iPod Nanos in color.

[Deepdale]

The wait for this revision back to a superior casing and finish, coupled with vibrant color choices, was clearly worthwhile. Love 'em all!

[SactoGuy18]

Great update for these. The aluminum is much more durable on iPods. My wife's mini was great!......now we'll have to get one of these :)

When I saw the official pictures the new iPod Nano does look like a reduced-size iPod Mini. :)

But here's the question though: when we see protective cases for the new Nano? :confused:

[Datazoid]

As much as I love them, all of Apple's designs are getting old. The Macbook (nee iBook) has looked the same (minus a few paint jobs) for over 5 years; the current iMac design harkens back to the eMac (yes, I know, its flatter, what an innovation...wheee), which in turn was highly derivative of the original iMac. The MacBook Pro is just an AluPB, which in turn was merely a revision of the original Titanium G4. Now, the "new" iPod nano is nothing more than a iPod mini that went on a diet, and the full iPod, although much sleeker than its predecessors, is still essentially the same design as the iPod that came out in 2001. And the story goes on: the Mac Pro, a warmed over PowerMac G5; the Airport/Airport extreme, essentially unchanged since its release; the Airport Express, a power adapter with flashing lights; the iSight, unchanged since its release; the Mighty Mouse, same design as the Apple Pro Mouse, etc. Essentially, the only new designs in the last three years have been: the Mac mini, the iPod shuffle, and the Cinema Displays, none of which could be considered to be attention-getters. Even the new, unreleased "iTV" is copying the Mac mini design. Not too impressive for a company which claims high design as a main benefit. Where is the new cube? the iMac (& G4)? the tiBook? There is nothing fresh or innovative about their current lineup, nothing exciting or innovative.Instead, its all inoffensively sterile, to my eyes; walking into an Apple store has become similar to walking into IKEA, nothing unexpected, just clean lines. It's like they've become artistically constipated. Or is this just what we get for Apple's new push on "competitive prices"?

In my opinion, its time for some fresh blood, someone with a new vision. And yes, I'm looking squarely at you, Steve and Jonathan. I want to be <i>excited</i> again, and not just by the "guts" of the computer. I, for one, miss the Macworlds of 5 years ago...

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

But here's the question though: when we see protective cases for the new Nano? :confused:What do you want that for... my 2 1/2 year old iPod mini doesn't have any flaws - except a minute scratch in the screen after an unfortunate incident where that and my keys ended up in the same trouser pocket - even a tumbling down a concrete stairway didn't leave any marks... Never had any protective case on it (except for the belt clip), the minis are durable little buggers, and hopefully the new nanos will be likewise... :D

[milo]

Greed on Apple's part might be the reason. I'm sure they will wait a few months after everyone has bought the 4GB in color, then announce 8GB iPod Nanos in color.

That, or the middle size/price just sells way more than the pricier one. :rolleyes:

[buffalo]

Can someone give me some idea when the Apple Store Birmingham UK will get the new nano's in stock?

You could always call the store and ask... Might be quicker and more accurate than waiting for someone else from MR to answer.


Also some questions... (continued from my post on the previous page)

Is there anyway to get the new earbuds? The original buds do not fit my (small) ears, and I would like to try something new. Right now I'm using some Sony (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4503996&st=headphones&lp=10&type=product&cp=2&id=1051806136350) over-the-head headphones.

Will there be a software update that will bring gapless playback and the other new features to the original nanos?

Will the original nano dock work with the new nanos?

[Platform]

Great device....no more scratches, thinner and 8GB @ same prices :D

[ddrueckhammer]

Yeah, seems sly to give away iPod nanos for free, those bastards...:rolleyes:

Get a grip.

Get a grip? I don't care if you are a Demi-god that is pretty freakin rude. Considering the Apple owns much of the flash market and the competition already sells higher capacities at lower prices I would say they are making plenty of profit. Not offering student discounts like they have in the past is just pure greed. College students provide plenty of free marketing for them and help increase their cool factor and college students are poor. They should get a break.

[Ubuntu]

iLounge has a "First Look" article with photos of all models and accessories. They say that the new nanos have the Search and Smart Scroll feature of the new 5G iPod. Hopefully we with the plastic nanos won't miss out on that. I'm expecting an iPod Updater soon.

Sadly I don't think the 1G nanos will get them. Remember when the video and nano came out, with the stopclock, security lock, etc? The previous iPods didn't get an update :(.

[extraextra]

Is it just me or do the colors seem brighter than the Mini's? It could just be my screen.

[caliguy]

I'm disappointed at thing along with the other updates. I preferred the old nanos.

[DakotaGuy]

As much as I love them, all of Apple's designs are getting old. The Macbook (nee iBook) has looked the same (minus a few paint jobs) for over 5 years; the current iMac design harkens back to the eMac (yes, I know, its flatter, what an innovation...wheee), which in turn was highly derivative of the original iMac. The MacBook Pro is just an AluPB, which in turn was merely a revision of the original Titanium G4. Now, the "new" iPod nano is nothing more than a iPod mini that went on a diet, and the full iPod, although much sleeker than its predecessors, is still essentially the same design as the iPod that came out in 2001. And the story goes on: the Mac Pro, a warmed over PowerMac G5; the Airport/Airport extreme, essentially unchanged since its release; the Airport Express, a power adapter with flashing lights; the iSight, unchanged since its release; the Mighty Mouse, same design as the Apple Pro Mouse, etc. Essentially, the only new designs in the last three years have been: the Mac mini, the iPod shuffle, and the Cinema Displays, none of which could be considered to be attention-getters. Even the new, unreleased "iTV" is copying the Mac mini design. Not too impressive for a company which claims high design as a main benefit. Where is the new cube? the iMac (& G4)? the tiBook? There is nothing fresh or innovative about their current lineup, nothing exciting or innovative.Instead, its all inoffensively sterile, to my eyes; walking into an Apple store has become similar to walking into IKEA, nothing unexpected, just clean lines. It's like they've become artistically constipated. Or is this just what we get for Apple's new push on "competitive prices"?

In my opinion, its time for some fresh blood, someone with a new vision. And yes, I'm looking squarely at you, Steve and Jonathan. I want to be <i>excited</i> again, and not just by the "guts" of the computer. I, for one, miss the Macworlds of 5 years ago...

You do make a couple of good points here. I still think the neatest looking Apple product ever was the iMac G4. That was really different from anything that was ever seen before.

Greed on Apple's part might be the reason. I'm sure they will wait a few months after everyone has bought the 4GB in color, then announce 8GB iPod Nanos in color.

They seem to have taken the EXACT same path with regards to color choice as they did with the iMac G3 line a few years back. The base model is only available in one color, middle model has all the color choice (including the base color) and the top of the line is only available in one color that is not available at any other price point. If anybody remembers the iMac, iMac DV and iMac SE they will know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

[FadeToBlack]

Is it just me or do the colors seem brighter than the Mini's? It could just be my screen.

They look brighter to me, as well. Can't wait to get my Silver one!

[Tymmz]

The wait for this revision back to a superior casing and finish, coupled with vibrant color choices, was clearly worthwhile. Love 'em all!

Definitely! I'm glad I waited.

[iJawn108]

I wanted a silver 8GB one. Now I'm torn :(

EDIT: Made up my mind. 4GB silver and the extra £40 in my pocket. Besides, silver'll look better in my Bose SoundDock :)
Same.


Anyone know if the black is... comepletely black? if not I will go Silver 4gig.

[doodosh]

I called the Apple Store here in San Diego, CA and the guy that answered the phone said that they were in 'transit'. I asked him well okay, so do you have an idea when they will be in? -- no

?

I thought they were available today? (i mean besides apple.com):mad:

[anastasis]

I agree that Apple needs to come up with some new designs for their hardware. I think the new nanos are a perfect combination of the nano (slim design, flash memory) and the mini (seemless casing, scratch proof) but the other products seem to be long in the tooth. The MacBook Pro/PowerBook has looked basically the same since it was debuted with a G4 processor (what was that, 2002?). The MacBook/iBook got a somewhat update look with the latest release, but kind of took a step backwards IMO.

However, with all of that said, 99% of us do not work for Apple and do not know how to design like they do. Where do you go with the current MBP? I would love to see an anodized black version but that still does not give us much of a difference at all. I am interested in seeing new products. I was dissapointed when they released the new MacPro's in the same encolusers. An extra optical slot and moving the power chord to the top of the tower does not count as a redesign.

[iJawn108]

I think we'll see new designs next year. Since we now have done afull transition.

[motulist]

Get a grip? I don't care if you are a Demi-god that is pretty freakin rude. Considering the Apple owns much of the flash market and the competition already sells higher capacities at lower prices I would say they are making plenty of profit. Not offering student discounts like they have in the past is just pure greed. College students provide plenty of free marketing for them and help increase their cool factor and college students are poor. They should get a break.

Are you insane or just trolling? You're complaining because the FREE iPod that Apple is giving to you for FREE is the previous version that was just updated today, even though you're getting it for FREE!!! For you to complain about this makes YOU the rude one. You sound like a spoiled brat whining and complaining because the porche mummy and dada bought you for christmas is black instead of red. There's just no pleasing some people. :rolleyes:

[rtdunham]

Another thing that will NEVER happen is an Apple DVR. iTV is for use with iTunes downloadable content. Apple will never release a recording device. It's not their model. They would rather you ditch your satellite and cable and go with getting your shows from iTunes - hence the iTV.

isn't it satellite or cable that provides the DVR capability now? ditch them, and you don't have any ability to record "live" (real-time) broadcasts. Don't you think there are times you'd want to do that, iTV or not?

[ddrueckhammer]

Are you insane or just trolling? You're complaining because the FREE iPod that Apple is giving to you for FREE is the previous version that was just updated today, even though you're getting it for FREE!!! For you to complain about this makes YOU the rude one. You sound like a spoiled brat whining and complaining because the porche mummy and dada bought you for christmas is black instead of red. There's just no pleasing some people. :rolleyes:

Um free is for a limited time only and you have to buy a $1000+ computer. Anyone who buys a $1000+ Mac should get a break on an iPod too. Also, I'm not complaining about the free iPod deal, I'm complaining that students used to get about a $30 break on all iPods year round. There is a reason why there is a whole education section on the Apple Online Store. Without students support, the iPod wouldn't be anywhere near the cultural icon that it is. Guess what, most students don't have a set income but their patronage is very important to Apple and iPods in general. And I'm 25, Mommy and Daddy haven't payed for me for a long time. So now who is trolling. (Hint: the guy who puts offensive posts up with big upper cased red letters)

[motulist]

I agree that Apple needs to come up with some new designs for their hardware.

Apple purposely wanted to keep the same designs when they transitioned from ppc to intel in order to make the experience feel seamless to the end user. I have no proof of this, it's just what I assumed because it makes so much sense.

[motulist]

Um free is for a limited time only and you have to buy a $1000+ computer. Anyone who buys a $1000+ Mac should get a break on an iPod too. There is a reason why there is a whole education section on the Apple Online Store. Without students support, the iPod wouldn't be anywhere near the cultural icon that it is. Guess what, most students don't have a set income but their patronage is very important to Apple and iPods in general. And I'm 25, Mommy and Daddy haven't payed for me for a long time. So now who is trolling. (Hint: the guy who puts offensive posts up with big upper cased red letters)

Duh. I knew you weren't rich because you're a student and because you're complaining about money. That's why I said "you sound like a spoiled brat," not "you are a spoiled brat." And get over yourself, Apple owes you nothing. If you don't like their products or their pricing, then don't buy their stuff. It's as simple as that. I won't be replying again, I'm done with this conversation.

[afornander]

STOP THE FLAMING:mad: :D ;)

[iJawn108]

Um free is for a limited time only and you have to buy a $1000+ computer. Anyone who buys a $1000+ Mac should get a break on an iPod too. Also, I'm not complaining about the free iPod deal, I'm complaining that students used to get about a $30 break on all iPods year round. There is a reason why there is a whole education section on the Apple Online Store. Without students support, the iPod wouldn't be anywhere near the cultural icon that it is. Guess what, most students don't have a set income but their patronage is very important to Apple and iPods in general. And I'm 25, Mommy and Daddy haven't payed for me for a long time. So now who is trolling. (Hint: the guy who puts offensive posts up with big upper cased red letters)
Hye guy if you are a registered student and go to anywell known school you get a discount on ipods year round as well as any other apple product.

[Chef Medeski]

So... will that trick of making a 8GB 1G nano work with these....

remember... open up a nano and u'll see a free slot. Cause, I could go for a 12GB Green..... 16GB black would be ok... but green... color of envy... color of desire... color of money....

12GB Green would be highly desired!

[ddrueckhammer]

Hye guy if you are a registered student and go to anywell known school you get a discount on ipods year round as well as any other apple product.

That was the whole point of the initial complaint. I actually came to the defense of forum member who was complaining about no student discounts and someone told them to "get a grip" for expecting a student discount.

If you log into an Apple edu site you will notice that there is no edu discount on any of the new models of iPods. It seem to me that Apple wouldn't want to alienate a market as important to iPods as students but I guess I was wrong. Cool isn't cool if the MTV crowd doesn't rubber stamp it.

[coreybox]

Is the gapless playback only a feature of the full size pod or does it carry over to the nano too?

[rockthecasbah]

Is the gapless playback only a feature of the full size pod or does it carry over to the nano too?
I believe that the Nanos can play gapless. I looked on the tech specs page on Apple's site but i don't see it. I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure that the Nanos can play gapless.

As for my opinion on the nanos...

I dislike them. I wasn't fond of the Mini asthetics wise. Durable, for sure. But I just don't find them as nice to look at, and now that the Nanos are the same tacky colors, it's back to the ugliness. I know people were buying up the Minis, I'm just personally not a fan of the styling... If you all want to buy them up go ahead, just count me out :p

[cecildk9999]

Your not paying a premium for the color, you get 8GB. What sucks is you can't get 8GB in colors, lame move on Apple's part with no reason behind it.

I agree with you on the color restriction for the 8GB models; I was really hoping for total color choice across the board when I first saw the updated store picture (missed the keynote). Especially with the new SanDisk 8GB players, I thought Apple might offer a bit more choice on a high end model to entice more people (I suppose I can live with black, though; at least it's not vomit colored or something :rolleyes: )

[MattyMac]

Sadly I don't think the 1G nanos will get them. Remember when the video and nano came out, with the stopclock, security lock, etc? The previous iPods didn't get an update :(.
There was an iPod update on my 5G today, but it was only for games and bug fixes:(

[sparky672]

Did nobody not notice that the Nano ad shows the clickwheel glowing along with the screen? Looking at photos of the new Nano kind of kicks down that prospect, but it's a little of a let down when you realize the click wheel does not glow like in the ad.

It would be sweet though. :rolleyes:


I noticed. I too was hoping that it glowed like in the ad.

Nothing indicates that it would.

I'm glad I waited. Eye-ballin' a silver one myself.

[kugino]

I believe that the Nanos can play gapless. I looked on the tech specs page on Apple's site but i don't see it. I could be wrong but i'm pretty sure that the Nanos can play gapless.

As for my opinion on the nanos...

I dislike them. I wasn't fond of the Mini asthetics wise. Durable, for sure. But I just don't find them as nice to look at, and now that the Nanos are the same tacky colors, it's back to the ugliness. I know people were buying up the Minis, I'm just personally not a fan of the styling... If you all want to buy them up go ahead, just count me out :p
the styling is a matter of personal preference...i like the white/black lucite look but for durability the aluminum will work great. no real need for a cover/case.

however, that's certainly not the main reason to spring for the new nanos (or is it?)...8GB flash drive...gapless playback...24hr. battery...ummm, them's some pretty good specs in favor of the new nanos. gapless playback...yummy.

p.s. when will amazon start selling 'em? free shipping and no tax looks really good right now since my edu discount is no more.

[mrploddy]

Whilst the new Nano's are nice as are the new video ipods I don't see any compelling reason at the minute for me to go and spend some $$$.

I bought my ipod in January (at a substantially reduced price compared to full UK retail when I was in Japan) and it's working a charm. I didn't fall foul of the scratching/screen problems because I was careful enough to buy adhesive screen protector/case. Yeah it might not look as cool inside a rubber enclosure but it sure as hell isn't gonna break.

My problem with the new Nano's is that there just doesnt seem anything that would compell me to upgrade now a MUST HAVE feature. Most certainly I'll upgrade when either a) Ipod has an accident or b) the battery fails as considering a battery service is half the cost of a new 2GB nano it doesnt seem wortwhile.

So yeah...nice...but my wallet stays shut till something happens to my current Nano. Sorry Apple :(

-mrploddy

[mr.barkan]

I agree that Apple needs to come up with some new designs for their hardware. I think the new nanos are a perfect combination of the nano (slim design, flash memory) and the mini (seemless casing, scratch proof) but the other products seem to be long in the tooth. The MacBook Pro/PowerBook has looked basically the same since it was debuted with a G4 processor (what was that, 2002?). The MacBook/iBook got a somewhat update look with the latest release, but kind of took a step backwards IMO.

However, with all of that said, 99% of us do not work for Apple and do not know how to design like they do. Where do you go with the current MBP? I would love to see an anodized black version but that still does not give us much of a difference at all. I am interested in seeing new products. I was dissapointed when they released the new MacPro's in the same encolusers. An extra optical slot and moving the power chord to the top of the tower does not count as a redesign.


Oh c'mon!! Why did the designers at apple pay education for?? Really?!!

Ok... I studied design myself(although a cinematographer now ;) ), and I know how hard it is to keep a sleek, clean, "ahead of it´s time" look and feel. But please!! 1yr Retro style?? Are they using recycled minis or something??

Really guys... This is not a complaint but Steve "Marketing Master" Jobs was not happy on this one... I know alot of people love the minis, and I also know that they will sell millions of "retro" nanos... but in a market POV it´s really bad to "go back in time" with design and say it´s brand new. And one last note about them: There´s millions of colors on the pallete... why use the same ones?? Again: are they recycled?? Cause if they are, I´ll buy a couple, just for the sake of "saving the world".

the Mac Pros for example... they could´ve done the cases with different finish or something.. but keeping the same design saved them millions of cash...

BUT WAIT!! :p

Ok... let´s get a little optimistic here:
Steve told us all last year, that this (2006) was going the be the "year of transition". So it´s quite dumb of us to expect big redesigns, and/or mint new technologies...

That makes me think that the design team is REALLY focusing on applying those new patent technologies on a brand new line of products hard/software. And what happens is:
Marketing Director - Time for new yearlly ipods!!
Design Chief Exec. - Do we still have some Mini aluminum on stock?
Chief Hardware Engineer - Yes plenty for a couple of million.
Design Chief Exec. - Okay, so let´s just wrap up our current stock of nanos with it, and get the hell out of here.
Marketing Director - Yes, cof cof, sir.

;) These are just my two cents... :p

Conclusion: Big redesigns -> 2007-2008

[oldwatery]

I was so wanting an upgraded Mini when Apple introduced the Nano. I disliked the new form and materials. But the new Nano is everything I wished for. Well almost. Why did they give us only black for the 8gig? This is the premium model. I want silver damn it!!! But otherwise full marks from me. Just placed my order for a Shuffle......awesome job Apple. One of the best introduction days I can remember. The new iTV is the icing on the cake. Bravo:D

[ruy]

The new nano is disappointing on its look. I prefer if they don't make any change from the old model. simply a nano size mini......

[kugino]

so when does amazon start selling these? with no education discount now, it makes sense to buy from amazon and free shipping/no tax.

[liketom]

i'm very happy with the new lineup

i went for the silver 4gb mini and pre-ordered a shuffle :D

these nano's are gonna sell like hotcakes:cool:

[coolchan]

Are you insane or just trolling? You're complaining because the FREE iPod that Apple is giving to you for FREE is the previous version that was just updated today, even though you're getting it for FREE!!! For you to complain about this makes YOU the rude one. You sound like a spoiled brat whining and complaining because the porche mummy and dada bought you for christmas is black instead of red. There's just no pleasing some people. :rolleyes:

RELAX dude!

Not everyone get one for free! It's only in US!
I can only get a discount on the old model! And no discount at all for the new.

[rand0m3r]

Just wondering, does the aluminum material prevent them from manufacturing white models? I prefer white over all the available colours, and it'll prolly go better with my MacBook.

[eXan]

These new nanos are awesome! I'd get one if I didnt have my 60 gig 5G :D

I like black and silver models most of all. I didnt like black 1G nanos(scratches and stuff), but this alu black is great! :)

[dontmatter]

As much as I love them, all of Apple's designs are getting old. The Macbook (nee iBook) has looked the same (minus a few paint jobs) for over 5 years; the current iMac design harkens back to the eMac (yes, I know, its flatter, what an innovation...wheee), which in turn was highly derivative of the original iMac. The MacBook Pro is just an AluPB, which in turn was merely a revision of the original Titanium G4. Now, the "new" iPod nano is nothing more than a iPod mini that went on a diet, and the full iPod, although much sleeker than its predecessors, is still essentially the same design as the iPod that came out in 2001. And the story goes on: the Mac Pro, a warmed over PowerMac G5; the Airport/Airport extreme, essentially unchanged since its release; the Airport Express, a power adapter with flashing lights; the iSight, unchanged since its release; the Mighty Mouse, same design as the Apple Pro Mouse, etc. Essentially, the only new designs in the last three years have been: the Mac mini, the iPod shuffle, and the Cinema Displays, none of which could be considered to be attention-getters. Even the new, unreleased "iTV" is copying the Mac mini design. Not too impressive for a company which claims high design as a main benefit. Where is the new cube? the iMac (& G4)? the tiBook? There is nothing fresh or innovative about their current lineup, nothing exciting or innovative.Instead, its all inoffensively sterile, to my eyes; walking into an Apple store has become similar to walking into IKEA, nothing unexpected, just clean lines. It's like they've become artistically constipated. Or is this just what we get for Apple's new push on "competitive prices"?

In my opinion, its time for some fresh blood, someone with a new vision. And yes, I'm looking squarely at you, Steve and Jonathan. I want to be <i>excited</i> again, and not just by the "guts" of the computer. I, for one, miss the Macworlds of 5 years ago...


Agreed, sadly. My first reaction to the new mini is... I mean nano is... the mini is not old enough to be retro yet! Slipping in an intermediary (the origional nano, which itself was a throwback to the origional ipod) in the line of the shrinking mini does not make it revolutionary, but in fact, makes it not even keep pace with being evolutionary! While I know that many will argue that the reason is that today's designs are perfect, and also that, particularly with laptops, color and texture and corners are the only things you can play with, that's not enough. Apple has, previously, been amazing, shocking us and making us fall in love in one move. But it's been a good long while before we've been shocked at all, and it's hard to stay in love this long.

Remember the recent redesign that has swept across BMW's lineup? The awful trunk on the 5 series, the controversy, the debate? And how tired Mercedes looked in comparison, how bland? But it wasn't a sure thing, the new beamers were risky, right? I, for one, thought that the previous generation was about as close to visually perfect as any car since a dusenberg, and hated the redesign. But.... it's grown on me, and I'm thuroughly fond of the new theme, and the old looks tired to me (in another 15 years it'll look great, no doubt).

That's what apple needs. But now they're like mercedes- beautiful, for sure, but also boring. Same with the OS! They have the capability to pull off risky designs, for sure. They would definately be a BMW rather than a GM if the decided to actually design something. But no, they can't even come up with a '07 toyota camry's worth of design.

So I'm hoping that they've been doing this strategically, to manage their risks a bit while things like the intel switch, introduction of the nano (with, remember, less memory for more money), have been providing as much risk as they can take. The important thing is, now that they're transitioned, and now that they don't have to work to sell ipods, they've got to take those risks, and do that work, or else somebody else will. If your not moving forward, your falling behind.

[ariechel]

Where is Apple still selling iPods that qualify for the back-to-school Mac+iPod deal? I can't find anything on the Apple Online Store (Switzerland) site...

[Lau]

Just wondering, does the aluminum material prevent them from manufacturing white models? I prefer white over all the available colours, and it'll prolly go better with my MacBook.

I was wondering the same thing. A white aluminium one with a white clickwheel would look good, I think. The silver's almost there, but if it was just all white that would be great. It's going to be strange to have a white iBook, white leads, white mouse, and then an all-black iPod.

A rough and ready Photoshop job of a white one:

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I think it would look very smart indeed.

[eenu]

RELAX dude!

Not everyone get one for free! It's only in US!
I can only get a discount on the old model! And no discount at all for the new.

Glad someone else said this!

I'm confused though. I was told on the phone the old nano would cost me £155. Take off the £100 rebate and it would cost me £55. Went and bought my 24" iMac online and took the iPod offer and it cost £129. So i am hoping the rebate is still £100 and it will only end up costing me £29 :D

[Balli]

I have 3 USB 1 ports and 2 FireWire ports. Does that mean if I buy a new 8Gb Nano, it won't work with my system? :(

[eenu]

I have 3 USB 1 ports and 2 FireWire ports. Does that mean if I buy a new 8Gb Nano, it won't work with my system? :(

No it just means it will transfer at USB 1 speeds instead of its new full capacity

[BRLawyer]

I have 3 USB 1 ports and 2 FireWire ports. Does that mean if I buy a new 8Gb Nano, it won't work with my system? :(

Your iMacG5 doesn't have USB 2 ports? As far as I know, ALL iMac G5s had USB 2 ports...even previous iBook G4s had that already...I think you're mistaken, sorry.

[BRLawyer]

These new nanos are awesome! I'd get one if I didnt have my 60 gig 5G :D

I like black and silver models most of all. I didnt like black 1G nanos(scratches and stuff), but this alu black is great! :)

Indeed, these Nanos show that Apple has NO competition at all in the market...they are gonna sell like hotcakes, even more now than ever...there are simply NO downsides with the new Nanos.

The black one is already on my list... :rolleyes:

[Chundles]

I have 3 USB 1 ports and 2 FireWire ports. Does that mean if I buy a new 8Gb Nano, it won't work with my system? :(

All iMac G5s have USB 2.0 - you're either mistaken or quoting your machine incorrectly.

[Natsus]

2 things

First, It's understandable to complain about the lack of EDU discounts on the new upods. Apple has ALWAYS given an edu discount... even for new products. To take that away now stinks.

Second, though these nanos look nice, I'm a little wary about the screen. If anyone remembers way back, that Apple is going to be using OLED technology instead of the normal screen.
here's the original rumor article:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060712182701.shtml

For those lazy, I'll quote
OLED displays draw significantly less power than traditional TFT-LCD displays used in current iPod models, as they do not require a backlight (each pixel directly emits its own light). OLED contrast ratio's are generally considered far superior to LCD displays because the pixels can display true black when off. However, OLEDs are not well suited for outdoor use, and have a limited lifespan.

While I'm happy that this is probably the reason for the increased battery life, I'm concerned about the life span of the screen. How much of a limited span are we talking about?

Edit: according to wikipedia, 5,000 hrs. For comparison, a typical LCD has a life of 50,000 hrs (30,000 hrs for lamp).

[Balli]

All iMac G5s have USB 2.0 - you're either mistaken or quoting your machine incorrectly.


You guys are right. I do have USB 2. It's just because system profiler didn't specify, it kind of confused me.

[Lau]

While I'm happy that this is probably the reason for the increased battery life, I'm concerned about the life span of the screen. How much of a limited span are we talking about?

Edit: according to wikipedia, 5,000 hrs. For comparison, a typical LCD has a life of 50,000 hrs (30,000 hrs for lamp).

That's an interesting point. I just worked out that if it does last 5000 hours, and you use it for 3 hours a day (which, let's face it, is massively over the time that the screen would be lit for) it would last about 4 and a half years. Or does it mean 5000 hours with the screen being used and not lit?

[jagolden]

Your not paying a premium for the color, you get 8GB. What sucks is you can't get 8GB in colors, lame move on Apple's part with no reason behind it.


Oh, there's a reason behind it.

Folks diss'ed the higher costs for a black MacBook, but they sold in huge quantities. Obviously folks were willing to pay for the color.

Same thing here I think. BUT, yes, I would have liked color choices in the 8 gig.

[belalugosisdad]

How unlucky do I feel? I just spent a week in Chicago, and on Monday bought a 60Gb Ipod for myself and a 2Gb Ipod for the GF. I left the US on Tuesday afternoon. I knew I should've waited 'til Tuesday morning before buying..... Oh well, gotta smile..... I think.......

[jagolden]

2 things

First, It's understandable to complain about the lack of EDU discounts on the new upods. Apple has ALWAYS given an edu discount... even for new products. To take that away now stinks.

Second, though these nanos look nice, I'm a little wary about the screen. If anyone remembers way back, that Apple is going to be using OLED technology instead of the normal screen.
here's the original rumor article:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060712182701.shtml

The link does not say Apple will be using OLEDs in the next gens. It is RUMORED.The new Nano tech specs clearly say nothing about OLED. Since OLED has become a hot topic, I'm sure Steve Jobs or the specs would have called that to our attention.

[Natsus]

The link does not say Apple will be using OLEDs in the next gens. It is RUMORED.The new Nano tech specs clearly say nothing about OLED. Since OLED has become a hot topic, I'm sure Steve Jobs or the specs would have called that to our attention.

True, but at the same time there two things to consider. A lot better battery life and brighter screen. Those are the two positives of having OLEDs in the first place. True it might just be a rumor, but I guess we'll find out when we get these new ipods. (OLEDS can do pure black)

[Chundles]

True, but at the same time there two things to consider. A lot better battery life and brighter screen. Those are the two positives of having OLEDs in the first place. True it might just be a rumor, but I guess we'll find out when we get these new ipods. (OLEDS can do pure black)

They're not using OLED screens. From the iPod nano tech specs:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8543/picture1ty1.png


It's definitely just a regular LCD screen.

[Natsus]

They're not using OLED screens. From the iPod nano tech specs:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8543/picture1ty1.png


It's definitely just a regular LCD screen.

oops, not sure how I missed that. I even combed through their page :eek:

Sorry guys. disregard what I said :(

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

While I'm happy that this is probably the reason for the increased battery life, I'm concerned about the life span of the screen. How much of a limited span are we talking about?

Edit: according to wikipedia, 5,000 hrs. For comparison, a typical LCD has a life of 50,000 hrs (30,000 hrs for lamp).You may be right about the LCDs (I've not seen this as an issue with the iPods, though), but Apple (and others) calculate Battery lifespan in charge cycles, not hours:
A properly maintained iPod battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity after 400 full charge and discharge cycles. You may choose to replace your battery when it no longer holds sufficient charge to meet your needs.(Link (http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html))

That should give about 8-10 000 hours for the new 24 hour capacity nanos, if my calculations aren't way off... :)

So you'll need to change the battery 3-5 times before you start worrying about the screen... and that is with the newest, and best batteries... older batteries had lower capacity, and thus lifespan....

[sushi]

This message is addressed to the folks that say the new Nano is just like the Mini.

The new Nano, while sharing similarities to the old Mini, is a newly designed iPod.

Check here for a comparison:

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/firstlooks/

Need to scroll down 2/3-3/4 way down the page.

For clarification, I am not saying that the new Nano and old Mini do not share similarities. But look at the size and shape difference. Also realize the new Nano is flashed based with more space (8GB model) than the original Mini with HD. Additionally, better display, longer battery life, etc. Sure they share the same connector. That is a standard on all models except the Shuffle.

Personally I think that the new Nano looks great. Looking forward to colors at the 8GB model level sometime down the road.

[Ish]

I too think that the colors are ugly... there should always be a white ipod at every level.

and i think they should use ceramics

Something like this, do you mean? Note the new-style clickwheel and screen!

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=57370&stc=1&d=1158154980

[cwh812]

New Nanos are available at the 5th Ave. store in New York. I picked up the black 8GB this morning. Also, they are giving the educational discount on them. Perhaps they only disabled it online.

[Jackie.Cane]

I've been waiting for these! Can't wait to get one with the Nike + sports kit.:cool:

[iGav]

I think they've ruined it myself. *sniff sniff*

[doodosh]

New Nanos are available at the 5th Ave. store in New York. I picked up the black 8GB this morning. Also, they are giving the educational discount on them. Perhaps they only disabled it online.

really. that's awesome! If you don't mind me asking how much did the 8GB come out to after the education discount?

[SactoGuy18]

New Nanos are available at the 5th Ave. store in New York. I picked up the black 8GB this morning. Also, they are giving the educational discount on them. Perhaps they only disabled it online.

The Apple Store at Arden Fair in Sacramento, CA is supposed to start selling all the new iPod models today. If I had the money I'll spring for a 4 GB Silver nano. :D

[Lau]

Ooh, imagine an aluminium nano with white enameled shiny finish. :)

[brepublican]

really. that's awesome! If you don't mind me asking how much did the 8GB come out to after the education discount?
Yes please do tell. The online edu store is not showing the usual discount...

[cwh812]

really. that's awesome! If you don't mind me asking how much did the 8GB come out to after the education discount?

It was $20 off. It came to $248 and some change so basically tax gets taken off in NY.

[brandstar]

Whats the point in the 8 gig when you can get so much more capacity for only &#163;20 more?!
Seems fairly bizarre really, you'd have to really like little black things to bother surely!

anyone getting one care to explain your rationale?

[sushi]

Whats the point in the 8 gig when you can get so much more capacity for only £20 more?!
Seems fairly bizarre really, you'd have to really like little black things to bother surely!

anyone getting one care to explain your rationale?
This is very simple to answer.

I want a solid state player that is small and lightweight and don't need the larger capacity of the regular iPod, nor do I want to lug around such a huge iPod -- relatively speaking.

[Lau]

Whats the point in the 8 gig when you can get so much more capacity for only &#163;20 more?!
Seems fairly bizarre really, you'd have to really like little black things to bother surely!

anyone getting one care to explain your rationale?

I can fit a large chunk of my 20 GB library onto an 8 GB iPod, certainly more than I'd listen to for a week or so.
I'd like to have 24 hours of battery life.
I'd like to go running with it (hence flash memory).
I'd like to get a Nike + thang at some point to motivate my lazy ass.
I'd like to be able to fit it in my sexy lady jeans without looking like I've got a small child stuffed in them. :p

I know where you're coming from, but I just sold my 20 GB 4G iPod to pay for this, because I never used the full capacity and it was bigger and heavier than I'd prefer. I'll never watch videos on my new one. It'll be very rare if I look at photos on it. I'll never play games on it.

So, although I do like to get the best value out of things, I feel like I am with this, because I'm getting more stuff I want (size, no hard drive, better battery etc) for a cheaper price. Which is a good thing. :)

[mcs37]

Google for "thread 500" and click the top match--always hilarious :)

If the new nanos played games and videos (I know--really small) I'd HAVE to buy one. So I'm glad they don't :)

The case combines the best of the Mini and Nano--all good.

So why are there no nano games? Just because the screen is so small?

[cwh812]

Whats the point in the 8 gig when you can get so much more capacity for only &#163;20 more?!
Seems fairly bizarre really, you'd have to really like little black things to bother surely!

anyone getting one care to explain your rationale?

You can't be serious. Have you ever exercised? I personally exercise 5 times a week and I love listening to music when I do. The nano is so small that I can easily put it in any pocket and not even notice it. A 5G Ipod is a different story. That thing would constantly hit your leg and be annoying to work out with.

There is something to be said for the physical size of devices (especially PORTABLE devices), not just how much music or content it can hold. I also already have one big device- a Blackberry that I carry everyday. I don't need two things that size.

[Queso]

I just bought one of the silver ones and I really like it. It feels just like a mini to touch and the packaging reminds me of the sort of boxes you got Times watches in. It's syncing up all my music as I type :)

[mandis]

This is what the iPod nano always should have been: a radically slimmer iPod mini.

Love the colors. Love the new (old) shape. Love the new (old) aluminum scratch-free design.

I want one. ;)

Couldn't have said it better myself! The ipod mini design is quite simply the best ipod design (IMHO). :D

I will be buying a 4GB silver one very very soon...:p

[Ubuntu]

I just bought one of the silver ones and I really like it. It feels just like a mini to touch and the packaging reminds me of the sort of boxes you got Times watches in. It's syncing up all my music as I type :)

Picturreeeeeeeeeeeeess!:D

[pyrex]

I would really like to see what the difference in size between the new nanos and old nanos is. if it really is 52% smaller, which doesn't look it from the picture, I will definitely consider picking one up. has anyone seen any side by side pictures of the new and old nano?

[Queso]

Picturreeeeeeeeeeeeess!:D
Sorry but my desk is a right state today and I'm not going to embarrass myself by showing it to the web. However, you'll be glad to hear that it came with two "nano" Apple stickers :)

[conradzoo]

I would really like to see what the difference in size between the new nanos and old nanos is. if it really is 52% smaller, which doesn't look it from the picture, I will definitely consider picking one up. has anyone seen any side by side pictures of the new and old nano?

The package is 52% smaller.

The new Nano just a fraction thinner.

[Queso]

The new Nano just a fraction thinner.
The new ones are ever so slightly thinner and have rounded edges like a mini. I put mine up against my partners 1st gen (in it's rather scratched case) so you could see.

I changed my mind on the packaging pic too. When the iPod's in there it's like a little glass coffin :)

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[pyrex]

wow, what is the point of even advertising a smaller box, the nano box was miniscule as it is. It just makes you wonder what they have cut out of the old box to make this box smaller, maybe they make you buy the dock and ipod-> usb cable, and the ipod plug all seperately.

[cwh812]

When the iPod's in there it's like a little glass coffin :)



Couldn't have said it better myself. Also when I bought it at the store the sales clerk asked me if I downloaded the Itunes software. I said yea, and he said when? I told him I downloaded Itunes 7.0 last night. He then said you're all set. It then occured to me that the packaging is way too small to fit a CD. They must be giving the Itunes software CDs to people who don't seem to be too tech savvy.

[Ashapalan]

Well the looks and the battery life just led me to put in my order for a 2GB silver model :)

I can't wait for this thing to arrive and meet it's substantially larger sibling, (powerbook).

My only worry is that it won't work well in my nike+ armband, does anyone know if it does?

Anyhows, here's to the waiting game...

[Ubuntu]

The new ones are ever so slightly thinner and have rounded edges like a mini. I put mine up against my partners 1st gen (in it's rather scratched case) so you could see.

I changed my mind on the packaging pic too. When the iPod's in there it's like a little glass coffin :)

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Nice pictures!

I love it. Personally, I prefer the previous nano box, but if this is helping the environment then I'm happy!

[FadeToBlack]

Mine shipped today and should be here tomorrow! Can't wait! :cool:

[bluedevil14]

The package is 52% smaller.

The new Nano just a fraction thinner.
does anyone know exactly how much thinner the new nanos are? im sure it is just a few centimeters, if not millimeters but i am still curious.

[Hey There!!!]

Hey There !!!
For those who care here are quite a few unboxing photos of a green nano 2 unboxing... well at least a link for the photos-
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2043

[thejadedmonkey]

I just saw one at the apple store today... The nano's are still too small lol. Here's a toast to the mini, apple's best non-full size iPod ever.

[Chimera]

Got my Black nano by UPS this morning, it is really really nice. Here are two pics (I don't think there have been any user black nano pictures so far):

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4442/1001156te5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001156te5.jpg)

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4868/1001158io5.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001158io5.jpg)

If you would like any more just ask,

Frankie

[FadeToBlack]

Got my Black nano by UPS this morning, it is really really nice. Here are two pics (I don't think there have been any user black nano pictures so far):

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4442/1001156te5.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001156te5.jpg)

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4868/1001158io5.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001158io5.jpg)

If you would like any more just ask,

Frankie

I have been wondering what the Black Aluminum would look like. Looks great!

[Deepdale]

I just saw one at the apple store today... The nano's are still too small lol. Here's a toast to the mini, apple's best non-full size iPod ever.

This new generation nano represents an ocean of improvement over its predecessor, but I do agree that the mini stands alone as the best in the field. I will be getting one of these new nanos (likely green or blue) simply because the marketplace dictates such things. Personally, I never had a burning need for a small color screen ... the mini's monochrome screen was fine in every respect.

[Evangelion]

Personally I'm getting tired of Apple and their color choices. You have to pay more for black? What if you want 8 GB but you don't want black? What then? I'm not liking the approach Apple is taking on the color choices of their products.

I guess that if they hand't released black model at all, everybody would be happy. Same thing with MacBooks. Had Apple only released the two white models, no-one would have complained. But when the announced a pricier third moder, the BlackBook, the whining started.

Don't want to pay extra? Then don't.

[Evangelion]

And some of us are eternally grateful for that... :)

Get the accessory for extra functions... :rolleyes:

How would the built-in tuner make the iPod worse? Don't want to use it? Then don't. And what if you want a tuner AND some other missing feature? Can you stack accessories to the iPod? Would it look nice?

That said, I AM planning to get that 80GB iPod :). Although that Black Nano looks gorgerous as well....

[msjr]

For those who are waiting for their new nanos, an immediate update has been released. I'm not sure what has changed though, possibly a bug fix.

[technicolor]

New nanos are absolutely gorgeous! While I am not in the market for one, I think they are a great improvement. I am tempted to get a cheap 2 gig one, but eh...I will save my duckets. I wish the shuffles shipped... I would get my bro one for his bday.:(

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

How would the built-in tuner make the iPod worse? Don't want to use it? Then don't.Except I would have to pay for the parts and the R&D...

And the iPod would have to be (slightly) bigger to accommodate the extra features... Now, maybe not much for a FM/AM radio, but then what about digital radio...? Or Satellite...? Many places old analogue radio is on its way out... Which radio standards should be supported...?

[Evangelion]

Except I would have to pay for the parts and the R&D...

Well, you are already paying for color-screen, video-playback, photo-playback etc. etc. etc.. They seem to be adding features constantly, yet the price does not go up (more or less).

If you wanted a barebones iPod, you would always have the Shuffle

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Well, you are already paying for color-screen, video-playback, photo-playback etc. etc. etc.. They seem to be adding features constantly, yet the price does not go up (more or less).Well, since I never liked, or considered buying, a "regular" iPod you're only half-right... colour-screen is just normal development, I guess, probably not much more expensive than monochrome ones, in large quantity... video and games are still not available on the nanos, and hopefully won't be for a long long while, so that is for the buyers of the "regulars" to pay... and photo was developed for the regular iPods, and even if I don't really need or want it, it probably was fairly cheap, too... :)

If you wanted a barebones iPod, you would always have the ShuffleI have my mini, and if I'm to replace that (and not just get a new battery when the time comes) it will probably be with one of the new nanos, which - even with the added photo-playback - is still fairy basic... ;)

[Chundles]

does anyone know exactly how much thinner the new nanos are? im sure it is just a few centimeters, if not millimeters but i am still curious.

A few centimetres?!? The nano's less than a centimetre thick.

I think it went from 0.65cm to 0.61cm. 6.5mm to 6.1mm

[jagolden]

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig).

I can't find where I read it, but somewhere it looked like the formatting ate up 600 mb of space - YIKES!

Can anyone please clarify this, confirm, refute? Thanks!

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig)As with all capacities you need to take into account that computers (and RAM manufacturers) calculates size in binary 2^10 = 1024 for thousand, while HD and Flash memory manufacturers calculate in decimal where 1000 = 1000.

For drives measured in GB this mean you need to multiply the drives size with ~0.93 to get the size your computer will calculate it to:
2 GB ≈ 1.86 GB
4 GB ≈ 3.72 GB
8 GB ≈ 7.44 GB

So, yes in a way you are right, on the 8 GB nano about 550 MB will be "missing".

This has very little to do with formatting (this was an issue back when drives were just a couple of MB, then the formatting table and such actually took up a fair portion of the disk).

This isn't exactly news. :rolleyes:

[Chundles]

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig).

I can't find where I read it, but somewhere it looked like the formatting ate up 600 mb of space - YIKES!

Can anyone please clarify this, confirm, refute? Thanks!

You don't lose too much to formatting, you "lose' space because computers incorrectly use GB as a storage term instead of GiB.

Take the capacity in GB, multiply it by 0.93 to give you GiB (which the computer will report as GB even though using an SI prefix "giga" is inappropriate for a binary measurement) and that will give you the capacity. Anything lost beyond the initial 7% of the drive is due to formatting. On a regular HDD the difference isn't much but on an iPod it's a fair bit more due to the OS, built-in applications and stuff like that.

An 8GB iPod, if nothing was loaded on it (ie, just a blank 8GB HDD) would report a capacity of ~7.44GB on the computer. It should report 7.44GiB. Don't worry, you still get the 8x10^9 bytes you paid for, it's just a stupid quirk of all computers that they report binary measures in SI units.

8GB = ~7.44GiB. But your computer will say 7.44GB which lends the illusion of lost space.

[jagolden]

As with all capacities you need to take into account that computers (and RAM manufacturers) calculates size in binary 2^10 = 1024 for thousand, while HD and Flash memory manufacturers calculate in decimal where 1000 = 1000.

For drives measured in GB this mean you need to multiply the drives size with ~0.93 to get the size your computer will calculate it to:
2 GB ? 1.86 GB
4 GB ? 3.72 GB
8 GB ? 7.44 GB

So, yes in a way you are right, on the 8 GB nano about 550 MB will be "missing".

This has very little to do with formatting (this was an issue back when drives were just a couple of MB, then the formatting table and such actually took up a fair portion of the disk).

This isn't exactly news. :rolleyes:

Thanks Mitthrawnuruodo and Chundles. I know it's not news, but I wanted to know. Want a 2 gig, but did not want to lose too much space. 1.8 is fine. 1.4 would drive me to the 4 gig ( may anyways for th $50). Frankly, despite having more than 1,000 cd's plus iTunes downloads, I never filled up my 1gen Mini.

Thanks again for the explanations.

[Chupa Chupa]

How unlucky do I feel? I just spent a week in Chicago, and on Monday bought a 60Gb Ipod for myself and a 2Gb Ipod for the GF. I left the US on Tuesday afternoon. I knew I should've waited 'til Tuesday morning before buying..... Oh well, gotta smile..... I think.......


Just eBay them before the world figures out new iPods have arrived.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Thanks Mitthrawnuruodo and Chundles. I know it's not news, but I wanted to know.I'm really sorry if I sounded a bit harsh... I didn't really mean to... :o

It's just that this has been explained over and again so I roll my eyes more as a reflex... ;)

[jagolden]

I'm really sorry if I sounded a bit harsh... I didn't really mean to... :o

It's just that this has been explained over and again so I roll my eyes more as a reflex... ;)

No offense taken-did not think you harsh. As I was typing it I thought " Oh boy, I'm sure this is one of those constant quaetsions" - should I be doing this.
Was afraid Cundles might have gone ballistic. Especially after Tuesdays constant postings of some very old news:)

[true777]

I liked the old nano design infinitely better -- just so simple, cool, and perfect. A year ago I was excited to upgrade my mini, which I had always considered ugly, to the sleek, contemporary nano. I don't know... the mini design just never looked good. I can't believe they went back to it, but judging by the comments in this forum, the majority of people seems to like it.

I'm thinking if aluminum and colors, then why not at least elegant, sleek looking colors like anthrazite, dark brown, or steel grey? Oh well.

[Lau]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> :(

[Chundles]

No offense taken-did not think you harsh. As I was typing it I thought " Oh boy, I'm sure this is one of those constant quaetsions" - should I be doing this.
Was afraid Cundles might have gone ballistic. Especially after Tuesdays constant postings of some very old news:)

Sorry if I ripped on you back then mate. I was going through some nasty withdrawal after falling off the wagon of my codeine addiction and it made me really irritable for a while.

Back to my normal cheerful self now until the pain flares up and I have to jump off the wagon again.

Sorry once again. Hope my explanation made some sense.

[Queso]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> :(
Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait :)

[Chimera]

To further my pictures of the black nano Appleinsider also now has some beautiful and detailed pics here (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2048)

[Lau]

Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait :)

<impatient> <fidgets> :p

[jagolden]

Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait :)


Just picked up a 2 and 4 gig at an Apple store here in the Staes.
They are S W E E T.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Well... my girlfriend is ready to kill me, quite literally... when I ordered her nano, I also ordered a second skin for my MacBook... and the second skin has delayed the estimated shipping time - from 3 days up to 1-2 weeks.

I'm so dead... :o

People posting images of their new nanos doesn't help...

[OllyW]

Just wondering, does the aluminum material prevent them from manufacturing white models? I prefer white over all the available colours, and it'll prolly go better with my MacBook.

The aluminium case is anodised, which adds a hard, protective coating and a choice of colours. I'm sure that white anodising is not an option, I have yet to see it on mountain bike parts and they are available in many more colours than the ones offered by Apple.

Also, the reason only the 8GB model is available in black won't be down to cost, black and silver are the most common colours used for anodising.

[steve_hill4]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> :(
Most branches of John Lewis are scheduled to have them by the weekend. They actually state Saturday, but knowing our supply chain, more likely Monday.

Never say never.

With the lack of CD with any of the iPods, does anyone know if you have to download iTunes now prior to connecting your iPod or, as one person I know suggested, you connect up the iPod and it installs from there and prompts you to do a restore after?

Just want to know for those who will be looking to buy this weekend, but do not have access to the internet yet and/or have slow dial-up.

[Lau]

Most branches of John Lewis are scheduled to have them by the weekend. They actually state Saturday, but knowing our supply chain, more likely Monday.

Never say never.

Ooh, fab, thanks, I'll check it out next week. Scotsys said it would be a week or so, but I couldn't find anyone to ask in John Lewis.

[vendettabass]

just bought my black nano! really can't wait for her to arrive!!! I've just peaked 7GB of music so its all good!

[jagolden]

Unpackage and set up new Nano yesterday.

Yes, the new packaging is nifty and smaller. As to ecologically better, I'm not sure. Less bulk and weight to ship, but the use of the plastic (with all its chemicals) seems like it might wash. Wouldn't have looked as nice but maybe a design similar to the Shuffle packaging (but smaller), then could have used more recycled materials. Just a thought. I don't know - I do care about the environment but don't chain myself to trees. :)

The "new" design is nice. It certainly feels solid in you hand (much as the Mini does). The 1G Nano's always had a delicate feel to them (IMO).

The screen is very bright and clear.

The center button that is now concave is a nice touch. I did not have problems with the convex button shape on earlier models but this is a good design change.

The colors are bright and saturated. Richer than on the Mini's.

The sound quality is even better than before. I was satisfied with the Mini. When I bought a Shuffle, I'd read in many places that the sound was better on the shuffle than the Mini - and it is. However, the sound on the Nano 2G is a big step up. This may be a combination of the player and the new headphone design and fit.

The new headphones definitely have better sound quality than the earlier versions. For me, they fit better. They feel nicer with the soft gasket around the edge. I had not been using the pads with the old h'phones as they came of too easily and were lost almost immediately!

I am very pleased with the purchase. Now if the accessory suppliers will catch up pronto! Even though the overall size between 1G and 2G are essentaily the same, the new "squared off" corners will probably not fit well in the 1G cases. Those 1G rounded corners shaved off a lot of space.

[Tymmz]

Bought the black one today.



Great product.

[conradzoo]

Bought the black one today.



Great product.

It is. Got mine yesterday. It looks fab, but above all it sounds like my old ( and broken) shuffle. And that's good. No, it's excellent.

[needthephone]

They have them in JB HiFi (since Thursday) in Sydney

Interesting article from The Times...

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20409-2357866,00.html

[FadeToBlack]

It is. Got mine yesterday. It looks fab, but above all it sounds like my old ( and broken) shuffle. And that's good. No, it's excellent.

Yeah, the sound is GREAT. It seems to have better sound than my previous iPods. (2nd Gen. mini, 4th and 5th Gen. iPod)

[Synapple]

With the lack of CD with any of the iPods, does anyone know if you have to download iTunes now prior to connecting your iPod or, as one person I know suggested, you connect up the iPod and it installs from there and prompts you to do a restore after?

Just want to know for those who will be looking to buy this weekend, but do not have access to the internet yet and/or have slow dial-up.

I can't directly answer your question 'cause I had already installed iTunes 7 when I plugged in my new silver nano.
Nontheless, the weird thing is that when I first connected it I was prompted to get a software update for it: a 20+MB update that made my dial-up choke.
It seems strange that the newest product doesn't feature the latest software on it... and the only supported software AFAIK.

OTOH, the update for my 5G was a small 6MB one.