Apple To Host September 25th Special Event (Photokina)

[MacRumors]

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Macworld has received an invitation to an Apple special event (http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/09/14/photokina/index.php) on September 25th, right before Photokina. Indications from the invitation are an Aperture-related announcement. An Aperture update had previously been rumored on page 2 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060822235447.shtml).

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[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?

[spicyapple]

Most likely. I'm not a betting person, but Apple usually rolls out new pro machines during these types of events and what better way to show off the MBPs running C2D than a demonstration of Aperture 2.0. :)

[vincebio]

here we go again


apple are on fire at the moment.....bring it on

[randyharris]

I'm not sure why Aperture gets knocked by so many people, it seems pretty impressive for a new comer in this market.

I don't want to speculate what they will be announcing on the 24th, but I'll be anxiously waiting. :)

Randy at http://www.MacSeven.com

[Mydriasis]

I will be going to the Photokina, I live like 30min away. Maybe I can go to the special event too :D

I'll see if I need a ticket/invitation (probably not, I am not getting my hopes up yet)

[Cougarcat]

Wow, Steve wasn't kidding when he said "see you soon." Apple is on a roll...

[adamfilip]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash

[Motley]

Oh good, I was just coming down from anticipation for the last special event, but Apple's always there with my fix.

[shecky]

announcing the C2D MBP alongside next rev of aperture seems to be a natural fit. i really want to keep beliveing that the new MBP will happen in september, and this seems like a perfect time for it.

[timnosenzo]

Hmmm, an Aperture update would be cool. I wonder if they would make any financial "concessions" to people who have recently purchased Aperture... :o

[holycat]

i am a mac-apple newbie~~~
aperture 2!!!waiting for me...i m a photography lover...

i have go through (youtube) a few previous keynote that brought by Steve...

i have addicted with aPPLe

cant wait my new 24' iMac n my new iPod..shuffle

[HecubusPro]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?

I hope so, at the latest. Though I'm hoping more for this tuesday the 19th, sort of how apple released the iMacs a week before their "It's Showtime" event--keep everything staggered by a week or so.

But Photokina seems like a good opportunity to, if not announce publicly, at least silent update them.

[reflex]

My take on this: Apple releases new MBP's next week and Aperture 2 at the special event. Kind of like they did with the iMac vs the movie downloads.

Btw, the 24th is a Sunday ... has Apple ever released anything on a Sunday? Or held an event?

[cyberrob]

next one - apple seems to get in mood for more invitations...

i like these shows very much, especially when rumors are getting real products :-D

but why aren't there anymore livecasts from these shows?!? a stream after the event isn't that exciting!!

[holycat]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash

if this is the case...i would rob the bank...to buy that new iCamera!:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Dr.Gargoyle]

I rerally hope it is more than Aperture 2.0. The displays were recently updated, so... I am lost

[Platform]

This can be good...does look like a photo only event....but we can still hope (iPhone with great camrea ?)

[deputy_doofy]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?

Funny how we're all looking for that same glimmer of hope. :)

If nothing else, 9-24 is extremely close to 9-27 - the date on which Dell claims to be shipping their (Merom) Core 2's.

Signs look good, but by now, I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

This can be good...does look like a photo only event....but we can still hope (iPhone with great camrea ?)
Is that wise? The camera in cellphones is at best a sorry excuse. Introducing a crappy camera at photokina... I don't know
Still I would love to see the iPhone.

[Chupa Chupa]

Most likely. I'm not a betting person, but Apple usually rolls out new pro machines during these types of events and what better way to show off the MBPs running C2D than a demonstration of Aperture 2.0. :)


Yup. I agree. And I bet the new MBPs will ship immediately as well. What would be really cool is if Apple lowered the price of Aperture to $199 or so to make it more affordable to the photo piddlers among us. After all, surely Aperture 2 is going to have massive hardware and GPU requirements (read: QuadCore Mac + 4GB RAM + X1900 video card). That is really where Apple makes it's cash. Just dreaming, of course, because I can't justify a $300 software package when I'm just a dabbler. Lightroom beta has been fun though.

[iMacZealot]

Hey, across the pond, Nokia's putting in 3.2 MP's in some models with a Carl Zeiss.

But I doubt we'd be seeing an iPhone here.

Wait a minute! It the event is Sept. 24 here, wouldn't it be Sept. 25 in London? Is it a relay there?

[Chupa Chupa]

Not sure why people would get excited about an iCamera. There are many excellent DSLRs out now from companies that have a lot more expertise in building cameras than Apple. I'd rather have a Canon Rebel XT or maybe that new Pentax.

[MacVault]

Anyone know when we might see an update to the MacBook (not MBP)???

[mozmac]

Apple has been stockpiling TONS of great products for the past six months and now we are going to see a barrage of releases. I for one welcome said releases. I really hope they bring out the MBPs.

[iflipper]

:eek: I just literally finished ordering a new battery and 1gb memory upgrade so my ibook would last a little longer. If they release a tablet (which is what I'm holding on for) I'll cry!

[iMacZealot]

Anyone know when we might see an update to the MacBook (not MBP)???


Not on the 24th. Later in the fall maybe?

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Anyone know when we might see an update to the MacBook (not MBP)???
A MacBook update at the largest photo convention? why?:confused:

[Brandon Sharitt]

Anyone know when we might see an update to the MacBook (not MBP)???

Probably not soon. I;m guessing they'll keep the Mac mini and MacBook with similar specs(Core Duo for now) and iMac and MacBook Pro similar, so it'll get the Core 2 Duo soon.

[Tommy Wasabi]

Apple is NOT going to go thru the effort of putting together a special invite just to intro A2. They would lose street cred (and let's face it - they are getting a little over saturated).

I'm a betting man - it's the new MBP - but ALSO IN A NEW FORMAT - maybe even the slate.

Now "I'd buy that for a dollar"

[FleurDuMal]

If Apple can show a version of Aperture which will run smoothly on a Mac Pro, then my two grand is practically theirs already...

An iCamera (CameraPro?) of some kind would be nice, though highly unlikely.

[Westside guy]

:eek: I just literally finished ordering a new battery and 1gb memory upgrade so my ibook would last a little longer. If they release a tablet (which is what I'm holding on for) I'll cry!

Don't cry - a tablet would be the absolute worst interface for edit digital photos, so there's absolutely no chance that'll be happening at photokina.

[steve_hill4]

Having just seen Sony's soon to be launched line-up, (Sony Rep showing us all sneak previews of models we'll be getting), I think Apple need Core 2 Duo in the MBPs very soon and may be getting them in the MacBook no later than MWSF, possibly even November.

As for Aperture 2, I just wonder what extra features it will offer. It would be a shame if it turned out to be merely an update.

[deputy_doofy]

September 24th is a Sunday? If they release a new MBP, that'll definitely throw everybody off the "normal" release schedule (usually Tuesdays, but sometimes Monday or Wednesday).

[Peace]

Apple's not doing another invite just for an Aperture update..

MBP's

[kresh]

What is it with some of you guys? Does hope spring eternal, or what!

Apple could be at a medical convention to promote the new artificial Apple iHeart and some of you would be jumping up and down screaming: "Yahoo, this means MBP updates".

[Paulhammer]

The invitation suggests Aperture, but could it also be an extreme closeup of an isight camera on a black anodized MBP? ;) :cool: :D :eek: :confused:

[Synapple]

Wow... this is great!

I knew Apple would have a stand at Photokina but an Apple special event even before it is awesome! :D

Apart from Aperture 2.0 I bet some hardware is a given.
Aperture in itself, albeit a significant application for pro photographers, would not warrant a special event... let alone a special event on a Sunday :eek:

[Platform]

Is that wise? The camera in cellphones is at best a sorry excuse. Introducing a crappy camera at photokina... I don't know
Still I would love to see the iPhone.

Basic iPhoto...not an Aperture camera...anyway just trying to find an excuse for the iPhone....hehe :D

[FleurDuMal]

Apple's not doing another invite just for an Aperture update..

MBP's

Surely they wouldn't have a whole invite just for an MBP update either? Although this board seems obsessed with Merom MBP's, replacing a chip in a laptop really isn't that exciting.

I'm hoping for a completely new product range of some sort.

[aly]

I love the way we all jump on even the slightest glimmer of hope that updated MBPs will be released soon. With every hint of an annoucement everyone figures a way that it must be the perfect oppurtunity for apple to release the MBPs. Don't get me wrong though, I'm right there with you!!!:D Bring on Photokina!! It just seems too perfect, two annoucements with in a day of one another :)

[prady16]

Will there be a keynote at the special event?
If so, is Steve gonna address that?

[jwp1964]

:eek: I just literally finished ordering a new battery and 1gb memory upgrade so my ibook would last a little longer. If they release a tablet (which is what I'm holding on for) I'll cry!

I updated my battery and added a 1gig stick a month ago...hoping for that iTablet!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[kresh]

Surely they wouldn't have a whole invite just for an MBP update either? Although this board seems obsessed with Merom MBP's, replacing a chip in a laptop really isn't that exciting.

I'm hoping for a completely new product range of some sort.

OH NO, don't say that. Now we'll be inundated with 600 posts of "I want a mid tower Mac, headless, for $1200.00"

[bdj21ya]

Surely they wouldn't have a whole invite just for an MBP update either? Although this board seems obsessed with Merom MBP's, replacing a chip in a laptop really isn't that exciting.

I'm hoping for a completely new product range of some sort.

Ditto on the chip thing. The chip does NOT make THAT BIG a difference! Spend your energy on working a few extra hours so you can pay for a RAM upgrade or a 7200 RPM hard drive. Those two upgrades will make more of a performance difference, and my guess is that overall battery life will not be all that different, but we'll see when the machines come out.

To be honest, I think you need to look at the nature of the invite (e.g. how many people it was sent to, how large is the event venue). I could easily see this event being for just an Aperture update. I also don't see any reason to wait for an event to make a minor processor upgrade to the pro laptops. They could just as likely do it today.

[ScubaDuc]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash



Ohhh, Please let it be watertight to at least 100ft/30 meters while we are at it..:rolleyes:

[FleurDuMal]

OH NO, don't say that. Now we'll be inundated with 600 posts of "I want a mid tower Mac, headless, for $1200.00"

Whoops. Although I'd love to see a mid-tower Mac, I don't think it'll happen. Ever.

Perhaps we'll see a genuine Photoshop competitor? A proper editing suite of some sort (either that, or real editing functions integrated into Aperture)?

OK, now I'm just clutching at straws :o .

[FleurDuMal]

Ditto on the chip thing. The chip does NOT make THAT BIG a difference! Spend your energy on working a few extra hours so you can pay for a RAM upgrade or a 7200 RPM hard drive. Those two upgrades will make more of a performance difference, and my guess is that overall battery life will not be all that different, but we'll see when the machines come out.

Yeah, but a Merom equipped MBP can make tea and fight terrorism. FACT!

I agree. I don't get the hype around a Merom MBP. The performance kick would be pretty small. But I still think Apple need to do something more to distinguish the MB from the MBP.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

anyway just trying to find an excuse for the iPhone....hehe :D
Count me in...;) I want one bad. I have been holding back on buying a new iPod in wait for the iPhone.
OT: I took a bath with my G4 iPod 40GB. I dont recommend it; bad things happen. :o

[prady16]

May be Apple will give a silent upgrade to MBP before the special event just like they did with Mini and iMac before "Its Showtime"!
What say?

[aly]

I doubt we'll see some headless tower (apart from the macpro) i honestly don't think its in apple's interest to openup a new price point. Mac mini provides a nice entry for windows users, people wanting something next to their tv, or have the monitor etc already. MacBook provides mobile low end. iMac allows a bit more power and features over the mini for home users wanting a bit more and companies and people who dont need the power of the Mac Pro. MacBook Pro is high end portable allowing for graphics, photography, design, etc, and to some extent gaming on the go. The Mac Pro is the beast, a workstation more than a desktop and therefore is over specced for the normal user. But why put in a new model in between a imac and a mac pro when having the gap forces people looking for more than an imac to go for the mac pro and increase revenue. By creating an 'in between' model it takes sales away from the popular imac and the expensive mac pro, would probably have to have lower margins to get people to buy it and would just float about in the middle. Maybe die a fate similar to the cube? I don't see it being a smart move.

[Warbrain]

Aperture update.
Possible MacBook Pro update. Keeping the MacBooks the same as they are.

That's all I see.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

May be Apple will give a silent upgrade to MBP before the special event just like they did with Mini and iMac before "Its Showtime"!
What say?
Perhaps, but the big question is:
What is Apple releasing at Photokina?
Aperture 2.0 - too little
ACD - recently updated
MBP/MB - at a Photo conference??? hardly.
iPhone - again at photo conference??
I dont have clue...

[Brandon Sharitt]

They'll probably update the MacBook Pro with a Core 2 Duo, and finally add FireWire 800, but otherwise little tweaks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 20" MacBook Pro being shown off as a mobile photo editing studio.

[savar]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?

Haha, they're probably going to release 16:9 touchscreen iPods and be like:

"You really thought all we were doing to the iPod was adding 20GB? YOU GOT PUNK'D!!"

[prady16]

There has been a lot of discussion on if just a processor update to MBP calls for a special event or not! Probably not! Firstly the invitation mentions Photokina explicitly and hence the crux of the event has to do something with aperture and photography in general.

As far as update to MBP is concerned, if it is just a processor update, they would do a silent update before the event itself or if that doesn't come along, this means that there is more to it.....Probably a new casing or new add ons to the MBP!

Btw: Microsoft is supposed to unveil its Zune today in front of a special invite only press conference: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2015986,00.asp

[kwajo.com]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash


What kind of crappy camera doesn't use Pentax lenses? Apple would really be dropping the ball here. ;)

[iGary]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

[kresh]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash

OMG it's made from Magnesium. What if it catches on fire?

[DPazdanISU]

i heard somewhere that there was going to be a "dizzying" amount of apple events/releases in the near future. Looks like that is becoming true. Woot gimme a MacPod please:confused: :eek: :D

[shecky]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

do tell. why?

[HecubusPro]

My 2 cents worth of predictions as to what will be announced at this event

Apterture update (going out on a limb there)

iSight update (since ship times have slipped to October, it seem like Photokina would be a logical place to announce new iSight cameras)

new Cinema Displays (they were discounted at WWDC over a month ago, so perhaps that's an inventory clearance strategy to make room for new, larger displays that might incorporate built in, adjustable iSights)

As usual, I'm probably wrong.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.
I have repeated that a couple of times already...doesnt help.

[Am3822]

The merom/mbp thing is turning to be the macrumors' production of Godot.

[iBorg20181]

What is it with some of you guys? Does hope spring eternal, or what!

Apple could be at a medical convention to promote the new artificial Apple iHeart and some of you would be jumping up and down screaming: "Yahoo, this means MBP updates".

LOL - "oh, and one more thing ... the iHeart!!!" I love it!!!

:cool:

iBorg

[HecubusPro]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

I agree. This isn't a big computer hardware event. This is why I'm banking on the this Tuesday, the 19th for C2D MBP's. I think.:)

[Dr.Gargoyle]

do tell. why?
Photokina is a photo convention. Not a computer convention.

[HecubusPro]

What is it with some of you guys? Does hope spring eternal, or what!

Apple could be at a medical convention to promote the new artificial Apple iHeart and some of you would be jumping up and down screaming: "Yahoo, this means MBP updates".

What's with us? We want C2D MBP's. That's all.

Though I'm very interested to see what's going to be announced at this event, outside of MBP's.

[Bibulous]

Aperture update - definite
MacBook Pro C2D - likely
iPod photo accessory - maybe
Cinema displays - not likely
iPhone - no way

[Gamdoan]

Photokina is a photo convention. Not a computer convention.

Unless my memory serves me incorrectly, wasn't the 17" MacBook Pro released in conjunction with NAB? NAB is certainly not a computer event either, but there are people of the press with notepads and cameras at these events. That's why Apple uses these events to their advantage.

[Reach]

Macbook Pro's and photographers fits perfectly imo, I can't see why some of you think hardware for photographers is unlikely..

[Gatorman]

here we go again


apple are on fire at the moment.....bring it on


I was thinking the very same thing! :rolleyes:

[iMeowbot]

Photokina is a photo convention. Not a computer convention.
So what? Last year alongside the Photo Plus Expo, Apple introduced Aperture, the quad G5 machines, and the last iteration of PowerBooks.

[shecky]

Photokina is a photo convention. Not a computer convention.

yes, and photo software runs on computers. "This is the new Aperture. and it will run beautifully on the new C2D Macbook Pro I just announced. Boom. does this... Boom, does that...etc..."

EDIT: iMeowbot beat me to it, but what he/she said

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Aperture update - definite
MacBook Pro C2D - likely
iPod photo accessory - maybe
Cinema displays - not likely
iPhone - no way
Still a bit anemic isnt it?

[pmbooks]

I agree that this is a whole lotta waiting for godot. Still, can I ask those of you with some knowledge on this: Apple is replacing my MBP in the next week...they say. My question is: in the event they release some sort of upgrade, can I return it unopened for a swap within 14 days of receiving it?

[mdntcallr]

yep i smell both the aperture update,

and hopefully the merom MBP, don't think that the macbook will be updated with merom, they need to differentiate their pro and consumer lines. also, by using the core duo chips in the macbook, perhaps they can lower the price by $100 as the cpu cost is coming down from intel with the new merom out.

[deputy_doofy]

Admittedly, I am definitely waiting for the C2D, but I am joking in this particular thread. It's always possible they could release it, but it's not likely. I didn't expect any computer upgrades at the iPod/iTunes show either.

The most I use photo stuff is connect my gf's camera to my powerbook and steal.... *ahem*, I mean, archive.... her pictures. :D

[amac4me]

Aperture update for sure.

Very good chance that a MacBook Pro update will be announced.

[Maxiseller]

Yeh I think we all need to realize that this is a photo convention. Its almost certainly not going to hold a large interest for non-photographers or at least people who don't use photoshop or photo manipulation software.

If you're hoping for a typical Keynote with loads of new products for consumers...well we'll have some moaning on our hands!

[Dr.Gargoyle]

yes, and photo software runs on computers. "This is the new Aperture. and it will run beautifully on the new C2D Macbook Pro I just announced. Boom. does this... Boom, does that...etc..."

EDIT: iMeowbot beat me to it, but what he/she said
and you have your computer in a desk (iDesk) and you sit down then you work (iChair) and the chair is placed on a floor (iFloor)....
Apple will eventually update both MB and MBP, but I doubt they send out an invitation for an update, in particular if the venue for the presentation is a photo convention.

[iGary]

So what? Last year alongside the Photo Plus Expo, Apple introduced Aperture, the quad G5 machines, and the last iteration of PowerBooks.

Because Aperture pretty much needed those machines to run it nicely.

yes, and photo software runs on computers. "This is the new Aperture. and it will run beautifully on the new C2D Macbook Pro I just announced. Boom. does this... Boom, does that...etc..."


You guys are just delusional at this point.

[ipacmm]

Version 2 of Aperture will hopefully be a good upgrade. I wonder if they are going to make a more Pro and Consumer version now...

[HecubusPro]

yep i smell both the aperture update,

Aperture update for sure.

Well, considering the box art for Apterture and the invitation to the event on the 24th use virtually the same picture... ya think? ;)

http://www.photographyblog.com/images/products/apple_aperture.jpg

http://guides.macrumors.com/images/1/1b/Photokina.jpg

[Josias]

My prediction:

Definiantly:
Aperture 2.0 ($299)
MacBook Pro:
2 15" and 1 17" model with 2.16 and 2.33 GHz Merom
1 GB RAM standdard, up to 3 or 4 GB
100 and 120 GB HDD's, up to 160 GB
8x DVD+/-RW DL drives for all
X1600 Pro in low-end 15" and X1800 Pro/XT in hi-end 15" and 17"
FW800 on all models
Magnetic latch (no integrated keyboard)
Expresscard/54 slot on all models
$1899 - $2299 - $2499

Maybe:
iPhone with 3.2 mpx camera by Canon
New displays
PowerBook G5

Unikely:
802.11 n (in MacPro and MacBook Pro)
New iSight with IR reciever
MacBook

[p0intblank]

YES!!! We just had an Apple event and we're having another one?! I love looking forward to these. Obviously Aperture 2.0 is going to be showed off, but what else? I'm hoping for new Cinema Displays, but that's kind of doubtful. Probably updated MacBook Pros will be announced. :)

[mi5moav]

I'm sure it's just an update to aperture along with a new aluminium skinned Apple video camera with 1/3 CCD and 100G HD. The future of video recording is on us and apple more than anyone knows about digital video. Though I'm realing hoping some sort of Leica/Zeiss/Apple announcement.

[deputy_doofy]

My prediction:

Definiantly:
Aperture 2.0 ($299)
MacBook Pro:
2 15" and 1 17" model with 2.16 and 2.33 GHz Merom
1 GB RAM standdard, up to 3 or 4 GB
100 and 120 GB HDD's, up to 160 GB
8x DVD+/-RW DL drives for all
X1600 Pro in low-end 15" and X1800 Pro/XT in hi-end 15" and 17"
FW800 on all models
Magnetic latch (no integrated keyboard)
Expresscard/54 slot on all models
$1899 - $2299 - $2499

Maybe:
iPhone with 3.2 mpx camera by Canon
New displays
PowerBook G5

Unikely:
802.11 n (in MacPro and MacBook Pro)
New iSight with IR reciever
MacBook

I'm thinking 2 of those listed under "maybe" are definites. :p

[shecky]

You guys are just delusional at this point.

MBP C2D IS going to happen. sometime between now and (for example) a year from now. saying "there is no way they will get announced on the 24th becuase its a photo event" is quite simply ignorant. it most certainly MAY happn, and the other machines that were released at the last photo event as mentioned above proove there is even a precident for it happening. i personally think its seems reasonably likely it will happen on the 24th, tho i would not bet on it.

edit: removal of an uneccesary comment

[MacGuy88]

The merom/mbp thing is turning to be the macrumors' production of Godot.


Nothing like a like a little classic literature thrown into a forum of computer hardware.:D

[rtharper]

You guys are just delusional at this point.

No, follow our "logic" (I'll use the term loosely and admit to doing so).

1. Merom is out.
2. Other laptop makers have release Merom machines, or will do so in the very near future.
3. IF Apple wants to stay competitive with other laptop makes THEN it must also release a Merom laptop line within a similar timeframe.
4. Apple wants to competitive with other laptop makers
Therefore, Apple will release a Merom laptop line within a similar timeframe.

Now, using a little precedence we know there are two ways Apple really releases products. "Silent" updates accompanied by a change on their website plus a press release. The other is at a media event with a keynote. As we don't know how much of an upgrade this will be (just chip or case redesign?) it is not unreasonable to assume that the next major even may involve this release, given that the MacBook Pro is a product line at least tangential to photography for a lot of people. Neither is it unreasonable to think they would release them the week before as they did with the iMac.

[ju5tin81]

Definitely need bigger HD's in the laptops now... 60 in the MB 80 in the MBP! Not really cutting it when there is a 80GB iPod!

Not just bigger discs but reasonable prices. The mini's apple upgrade 60-120GB costs £100 and on the MB it costs £180! :eek: How come? Don't they use the same disks?

Sorry, just ranting now... I'd just love to be able to buy a decent 'off the peg' machine that doesn't need upgrades....

I'm in the market for a new MB, doubtful at this next event, but hopefully soon! (and with a much bigger disk as standard):p

[Unspeaked]

If Apple DOES introduce C2D MacBook Pros at this, it will have to totally redesign the case to make it "invite event" worthy.

If all that's being changed is the processor, or minor cae changes (like the addition of FW800 across the line), it will simply be done in silent, overnight fashion as was the case with the iMac update.

That being said, I don't see such a radical case design this soon. That seems more like something where they'd like to focus on the computer itself, which wouldn't happen as part of a photo show.

Why do people seem convinced Apple won't release something like an SLR or video camera?

Also, there's always a chance that in addition to an Aperture update, we'll get TOTALLY NEW photo software; remember what happened with Final Cut Pro - first came it and then came a slew of other video products from Apple.

[SPUY767]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

Wht the hell not? I don't know a single pro photographer who's laptop isn't crucial to their workflow. Photographers are probably the #1 users of pro-grade laptops and the ones who would most welcome the new hardware and the performance boost it afforded.

[rtharper]

Why do people seem convinced Apple won't release something like an SLR or video camera?

Because, AFAIK, there's no market for a "Think Differently" camera. A professional photographer doesn't need a camera to match their MacBook Pro, they want one that was made by a pro camera maker.

[raymondso]

When will i see a C2D MacBook....
a MBP is just too large in size for me :(

[bshort]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
Anti-Dust
Anti-shake
Shoots in a new Apple RAW format
eye tracking for focus
Spot metering
1/8000 shutter with 150,000 shutter life
Full weather sealing
Magnesium body
6fps (up to 25 raw frames)
Depth of Field Preview
Pop up flash
802.11 Wifi
GPS built in
Optional Battery Grip
Scrollwheel navigation for menu system
Apple iScreen Digital Image processor
64 Segment Metering and Spot Metering
Supports Compact Flash

You had me up until the magnesium body.

It would have to be made out of aluminium.

-B

[dextertangocci]

The iPhone????

I doubt it will ever be released:(

[zhemgang]

The Apple laptops are a staple machine for Mac using pro photographers so this would be a perfect event to announce an upgrade along with a new version of Aperture. It would look rather odd to have new C2D iMacs and MacPros without an upgraded MBP.

[Macnoviz]

Could they BE any more obvious ?

still, hoping for Core 2 MBP, not for me, but for a friend and "co-worker"

[SPUY767]

You had me up until the magnesium body.

It would have to be made out of aluminium.

-B


Chrome-Molybdenum. Yup, blindingly brilliant in the sun and scratch resistant.

[justflie]

So is this a stevenote or not? i think that might hint at what caliber of goodies are coming

[mazola]

It could be no other thing.

[Unspeaked]

Because, AFAIK, there's no market for a "Think Differently" camera. A professional photographer doesn't need a camera to match their MacBook Pro, they want one that was made by a pro camera maker.

The same thing could have been said of the Aperture software...

Plus, what's to stop Apple from teaming with a "true" camera manufacturer and co-branding something?

(I'm not saying it will happen, or that I'm expecting it, but I'm just surprised it's so easily dismissed by people who comment daily on how Apple should enter the cell phone market, DVR arena, PDA front, etc and - for the most part - scoffed at the intro of a consumer music player...)

[Half Glass]

Don't want to wait!

Come on Aperture update...that's why I've been waiting!

iPhone at Photokina? Seems odd. MBP updates for mobile ProPhotogs makes much more sense.

iSLR? Doubt it--the way rumor sites scour for patent filings you'd think they would've found something on this.

--HG

[rtharper]

(I'm not saying it will happen, or that I'm expecting it, but I'm just surprised it's so easily dismissed by people who comment daily on how Apple should enter the cell phone market, DVR arena, PDA front, etc and - for the most part - scoffed at the intro of a consumer music player...)

The big distinction I would draw is that those are consumer products, not professional-grade hardware. Apple could co-brand but what would everyone's question be? "So, who actually made it?"

[shecky]

So is this a stevenote or not? i think that might hint at what caliber of goodies are coming

curious about that myself. historically, have there been "special events" like this without a stevenote? (or a philnote, for that matter)

i think that just aperture would not justify a stevenote, but more than just aperture might (tho aperture would be the primary subject)

[Guirgi]

OK, I'm new to Macs, and so I've never made a What's-Steve-gonna-do-next prediction before, but you guys are having too much fun; so I'm gonna give it a try!

I think Apple set a precedent with the release of the C2D IMacs. It was a quiet release, and Steve didn't even mention them at Tuesday's presentation. I don't see why he would do anything different with the MBP's, unless Apple is releasing a drastically new model of the MBP, which I doubt since they have not even been out a year. So, if we get C2D MBP around this event, it will be next Tues or Wed, and it will be a semi-quiet release, just like the IMacs.

I do think we'll see new cinema displays. Apple recently dropped the price of the current models and "updated" the specs, but I'm not convinced that there was actually any change in the hardware. There is no standardization to the monitor specs, so there's probably quite a bit of freedom that can be taken into assigning the different numbers. I called Apple store a few weeks ago to ask them about the new specs, and the guy didn't even know they had changed! I think the recent price drop signals an upgrade in the near future, and what better forum than a photography convention?

Of course, I also think Aperture 2 will be there as well. I would also guess at new ISight cameras. The old ones are definitely starting to show their age, especially for the price.

So to sum up:

1. Possible quiet release of C2D MBP next week.
2. Aperture 2, ISight camera, and new displays on the 24th.


Just my thoughts.

That was fun!

[Half Glass]

Co-branding is a better idea because yes, unless they make a camera that would take Canon or Nikon lenses on their own it would be a failure as a pro tool.

--HG

[relimw]

New version of Aperture!.. Saweeet

or more likely a new Apple iSLR

16 Megapixels
full frame sensor
Adaptive lens mount supports all Canon and Nikon Lenses
60gb removeable 1.8" hard drive
3" OLED screen
...

And all for a low, low price of $599.

[iGary]

MBP C2D IS going to happen. sometime between now and (for example) a year from now. saying "there is no way they will get announced on the 24th becuase its a photo event" is quite simply ignorant. it most certainly MAY happn, and the other machines that were released at the last photo event as mentioned above proove there is even a precident for it happening. i personally think its seems reasonably likely it will happen on the 24th, tho i would not bet on it.

edit: removal of an uneccesary comment

Not happening on the 24th fo any reason - photo, computer, or other wise.

[shecky]

Not happening on the 24th fo any reason - photo, computer, or other wise.

you can feel free to go ahead and explain yourself in your next post instead of just mindlessly making statements with nothing to back them up. thanks.

[iGary]

you can feel free to go ahead and explain yourself in your next post instead of just mindlessly making statements with nothing to back them up. thanks.

I already did that (explain myself) and you said I was ignorant for doing so - didn't leave me many options, really. :)

[Mydriasis]

So please explain one thing, why is the special event two days before the shows starts? (Apple Special Event on the 24th, Photokina start on the 26th)

Who goes to these special events? The press? There won't be any 'normal' visitors there yet, only other companies preparing for the event? Why send someone from the press two days in advance?

Are they just using Photokina to reduce the hassel of organising a big media event themselves?

I have no clue, I never attended or organized such an event!

[syklee26]

since Apple lost their claim as the producer of the biggest LCD monitor in the market (30 inch behemoth), maybe Apple will use this event to announce 42 inch Apple Cinema Display.

and what happened to that Apple patent for thousands of small camera embedded on the LCD?

MBP update is very likely, but you won't see Macbook update. processor is limited in quantities and obviously computers with bigger need for faster processor, which is MBP, will be where chips go.

and maybe in this event Apple might present with Adobe for Adobe's upcoming universal softwares.

i don't think Apple will just announce Aperture if they are going to invite guests for a presentation. more than that is coming. maybe Apple projectors. i don't know.

but I know for sure that G5 powerbook is not coming so losers better not cry for that.

[miketcool]

Chrome-Molybdenum. Yup, blindingly brilliant in the sun and scratch resistant.

Seriously, magnesium is perfect. We can have it in black and then do a fire test on it to see how it compares....:D

[shecky]

I already did that (explain myself) and you said I was ignorant for doing so - didn't leave me many options, really. :)

mmmmmmmmmmm i just went thru the whole thread and you most certainly have not explained any of your statements, other than saying aperture needed new towers to run properly.

and i want to be clear that i am not neccesarily disagreeing with you, i just want to know why you seem so decisive in your statements with no explantion to them. if you are so sure, i want to know why so i can either agree with you and stop waiting for this ^%$$%#$@#!ing MBP that never seems to get here, or i can disagree and wait until the 24th.

if you are not willing to explain yourself then you are just trolling

[relimw]

Yup. I agree. And I bet the new MBPs will ship immediately as well. What would be really cool is if Apple lowered the price of Aperture to $199 or so to make it more affordable to the photo piddlers among us. After all, surely Aperture 2 is going to have massive hardware and GPU requirements (read: QuadCore Mac + 4GB RAM + X1900 video card). That is really where Apple makes it's cash. Just dreaming, of course, because I can't justify a $300 software package when I'm just a dabbler. Lightroom beta has been fun though.
No MBPs.

Obviously, you didn't buy Aperture when it first came out, only to find out you were beta testing software for Apple. Now, if I can just figure out what to buy with my $200 store rebate. Maybe update from PS7 to CS2...hmm.

[relimw]

What is it with some of you guys? Does hope spring eternal, or what!

Apple could be at a medical convention to promote the new artificial Apple iHeart and some of you would be jumping up and down screaming: "Yahoo, this means MBP updates".
Funny, I always thought the laptop geeks here start screaming about a month after the laptops are updated, no matter what :D :confused: :eek:

[markw10]

I'm hoping for a MBP. It'll be my first Mac. My son just started college and we were going to buy him a Mac Mini. Then I heard about new imacs coming and waited it out and I found that to be a better value than a mac mini. Well he just got it a week ago and it's great! Now I've decided to switch from Windows to Mac and will get a MBP but am waiting for the next generation. I was disappointed it didn't come last week but maybe the 24th. Isn't it unusual for Apple to have something like this on a Sunday? I hear so much about Tuesdays but as other's have said maybe the 19th. I've heard estimates of as late as January becuase of a meron shortage. I can't wait that long to switch to Mac! :)

[p0intblank]

Wow, I just noticed the 24th is on a Sunday??? That's odd. I realize they want to give this keynote before Photokina kicks off, but I was just surprised by this. Now I have sometihng to look forward to after church. :p

[Mitch1984]

Well let's see, the picture is a camera, so I believe it will somehow relate to pro users and photographers.

Thus I believe it will be:


New Displays with iSight - Really high resolution on the screen make working with RAW easier.

Updated MacBook Pro's

Aperture 2.0


Betcha!

[relimw]

My 2 cents worth of predictions as to what will be announced at this event

Apterture update (going out on a limb there)

iSight update (since ship times have slipped to October, it seem like Photokina would be a logical place to announce new iSight cameras)

new Cinema Displays (they were discounted at WWDC over a month ago, so perhaps that's an inventory clearance strategy to make room for new, larger displays that might incorporate built in, adjustable iSights)


Actually that could be possible. Maybe upgrade the 23" LCD to 24", and introduce a 42" LCD. :eek:

[ckodonnell]

Dell currently quotes 9-22. Or did yesterday when I placed an order.

If nothing else, 9-24 is extremely close to 9-27 - the date on which Dell claims to be shipping their (Merom) Core 2's.

[rtharper]

I just hope they don't stick iSights in all the displays.

I know, it would be nice, but have you ever worked in a government installation before? No photographic devices of any kind. Co-workers at my last job are stuck with PowerBooks because they can't bring a MacBook (Pro) into any area that contains classified material, and many of them have their offices in such locations. If they couldn't buy new Cinema display I'm sure they'd be even more annoyed.

Sucked for some that had to find cell phones without a camera, too.

[markw10]

I'd love to see a headless mac, something cheaper than the Mac pro but more expandable and powerful than the Mac Mini.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Along with updated Apature, could Apple launch CS2 universal with Adobe?

[rtharper]

Along with updated Apature, could Apple launch CS2 universal with Adobe?

No. Adobe has already said they won't go Universal until CS3

[phatspider]

Is that wise? The camera in cellphones is at best a sorry excuse. Introducing a crappy camera at photokina... I don't know
Still I would love to see the iPhone.
Think we've moved on some what from the crappy cameras in phones

My latest phone has a 3.2 MP cam - with optical zoom.

In fact - its better than my camera was last year!

[iMeowbot]

Because Aperture pretty much needed those machines to run it nicely.
Eh? That last PowerBook didn't bring very much improvement.

That's cool, I was told I was delusional when I said that Meroms would ship in mid-2006 and the eMac would be replaced by an iMac with GMA950 too. :D

[Multimedia]

Most likely. I'm not a betting person, but Apple usually rolls out new pro machines during these types of events and what better way to show off the MBPs running C2D than a demonstration of Aperture 2.0. :)Yeah I agree. This is likely the time and place for the MBP C2D - Finally.

[iGary]

That's cool, I was told I was delusional when I said that Meroms would ship in mid-2006 and the eMac would be replaced by an iMac with GMA950 too. :D

Me too, when I said iMac would never get a Conroe chip. :D

[Westside guy]

Why do people seem convinced Apple won't release something like an SLR or video camera?

If you'd followed the dSLR world at all over the past two years, you wouldn't ask this question. :) Canon and Nikon are doing well; most everyone else is dropping like flies. Sony is trying to pick up the pieces that were Konica-Minolta's dSLR business, but at best they're going to be a distant third behind the Big Two. Pentax and Olympus are holding on as far as I know, but they are not doing well.

It would be a very poor move for Apple, and I have no doubt they realize this. You might think Apple has a rabid fan base to draw on - go read any "Nikon vs. Canon" thread on any photo discussion board sometime to see REAL rabidity. :D

[deputy_doofy]

Dell currently quotes 9-22. Or did yesterday when I placed an order.

Just checked again. It does appear that laptops are ready to go on 9-22, 9-25, and 9-27, depending on which model and size. Still, that gives Apple some "breathing room" to release theirs.

[gugy]

Here we go again,
High expectations for another event.
Just take the event this week as a lesson.
Showtime, we got:
Movie Store
Update ipods
ITV.

All related to Itunes and audio video experience. That's why was called "Showtime"

Now we have a new event coming up at a Photokina, photographers event.
What should we expect?
Aperture update and maybe something else relate to Photographers needs.
That's all folks!

Stop dreaming about Iphone, Mac Book Pro etc. it won't happen.
MPB's will be update on a Tuesday just like the Imac was couple weeks back. No special event for that.

Iphone if happens will be either have their own event or at MWSF.

Then later people get upset with Apple and don't understand why. Reality check guys.

[danielbriggs]

I think all this jumping "ohh.. the next MBP will be out at the next apple event" is silly, as there is nothing we can do about it! But I like it! :D

I too think we will see some Merom MBP's completely redesigned on the 24th as they have been using the same case for for the powerbooks too, and with the heat and various other problems with some MBP's they may have reached the limit to what they can do with the case, so the only way to move on up, may be to redesign.

I'm all for it!
Can't wait for the Merom, as i've been waiting all summer for the new MBP's, (and now summer has gone!) to use, as i've never had a Mac, and there is no real rush for it, so i'd thought I'd wait for a BETTER one!! :-)


I give up! Before you know it, we will be selling our Merom MBP's on eBay to flood this place with comments like "Can't wait for the new Kentsfield (or laptop equiv) 4 core beasts with 4GB of RAM and 250GB HDD's with blueray DVD's etc.

BRING IT ON!! :D
Love it - it's part of the whole buying experience.

[masterthespian]

Now I have sometihng to look forward to after church. :p


Maybe they are revealing the new iPew so that we can plug in while saying our iPenance. Apple is reaching out to the neoconservative right with their podcasts from God. New Market....We've got a new market here....;) :D :D

"Father bless me for I have iSinned. I will say my iRosary while it plays all my podcasts from iGod." ;) :rolleyes:


mT

[Dr.Gargoyle]

OK, I'm new to Macs, and so I've never made a What's-Steve-gonna-do-next prediction before, but you guys are having too much fun; so I'm gonna give it a try!

I think Apple set a precedent with the release of the C2D IMacs. It was a quiet release, and Steve didn't even mention them at Tuesday's presentation. I don't see why he would do anything different with the MBP's, unless Apple is releasing a drastically new model of the MBP, which I doubt since they have not even been out a year. So, if we get C2D MBP around this event, it will be next Tues or Wed, and it will be a semi-quiet release, just like the IMacs.

I do think we'll see new cinema displays. Apple recently dropped the price of the current models and "updated" the specs, but I'm not convinced that there was actually any change in the hardware. There is no standardization to the monitor specs, so there's probably quite a bit of freedom that can be taken into assigning the different numbers. I called Apple store a few weeks ago to ask them about the new specs, and the guy didn't even know they had changed! I think the recent price drop signals an upgrade in the near future, and what better forum than a photography convention?

Of course, I also think Aperture 2 will be there as well. I would also guess at new ISight cameras. The old ones are definitely starting to show their age, especially for the price.

So to sum up:

1. Possible quiet release of C2D MBP next week.
2. Aperture 2, ISight camera, and new displays on the 24th.


Just my thoughts.

That was fun!
so new and yet so insightful... I dont know about the displays, but the rest sounds resonable to me at least. :)

[iMeowbot]

Just checked again. It does appear that laptops are ready to go on 9-22, 9-25, and 9-27, depending on which model and size. Still, that gives Apple some "breathing room" to release theirs.
Well... there is a backlog now, but Merom Dell notebooks are already shipping (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=77155).

[Chimera]

Prior to the date being given out for the press event I was fully expecting a new MBP at Photokina.

However now given that it is on a Sunday I see no hope of an update. They wouldn't take down the store on a Sunday whereas the Apeture update will either be a free download or a preview of a 2.0 App therefore needing no major store changes.

PS Is there any precedence of hardware updates on a Sunday?

[markw10]

I wish a Tablet Mac would come out. My fiancee wants to get a mac now that her son has one and she sees how great they are. Unfortunately she just upgraded her laptop about 4 months ago to a Tablet PC. I am due for a laptop upgrade and said my next laptop will be a Tablet but instead I'm going to the next MBP that will be coming out. She is considering it as well but doesn't want to leave the Tablet so may end up keeping the Tablet as well. I know for the PC side though sales of Tablets are slow so not sure how well that would do. I would imagine though with a Mac things could be different. I think some type of PDA type of device or something similar to the UMPC would come out, kind of a very portable laptop that could fit in a woman's purse.
My hardest thing is these all in one units. I think a lot of good things go with it, the imac is easy to move from one room of the house to the other for example but it's hard to imagine when I want to upgrade my computer having to give up the display as well. I imagine this is the type of thing though that make macs work so well. On the PC side I'm used to building my own pc's, getting the case, motherboard, drives, etc. but with that comes a lot of headaches. I'm more into laptops now anyway but would like a nice desktop that I can always add a new hard drive in, etc. and probably will go with a Mac Pro next year but would like to see something cheaper by then, like a headless imac.

[suneohair]

Some ACD love? I need to buy soon.

[deputy_doofy]

Well... there is a backlog now, but Merom Dell notebooks are already shipping (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=77155).

Well, that's slightly depressing, but I'll keep looking at the bright side. Maybe - just maybe - they're making sure there aren't any issues prior to release. One can hope, right?

[daneoni]

Looks like the C2D MBPs will be unveiled here. I mean the 17 MBP was unveiled at NAB, which is another imaging related event. Why do i get the feeling that Adobe might surprise us with CS3 there?..i mean if Apple is sending out invites then something big is happening and no its not an iSLR :rolleyes:

[p0intblank]

Maybe they are revealing the new iPew so that we can plug in while saying our iPenance. Apple is reaching out to the neoconservative right with their podcasts from God. New Market....We've got a new market here....;) :D :D

"Father bless me for I have iSinned. I will say my iRosary while it plays all my podcasts from iGod." ;) :rolleyes:


mT

Haha, now you're going to have me thinking about this while I am in mass next Sunday. :p

[daneoni]

Some ACD love? I need to buy soon.
Hear hear, but its unlikely, they just updated the current models with more brightness and contrast ratio. I doubt they'd change it so quickly.

[markw10]

I would imagine with all the competition coming out with Core 2 Laptops Apple is going to have to move soon and it would be in the MBP, not Macbook. yet if there's limited supplies it's not much they can do but I'm kind of shocked they put it in the imac first. Does anyone know of a breakdown in sales of how they sell (the different product lines). Maybe the imac is the largest seller.

[CalfCanuck]

I discussed much of this in the original page 2 thread, but all the Apple Pro software exists to sell the expensive top of the line hardware. The philosophy behind Aperture is fantastic for photographers, although the beta version called 1.0 had far too many blemishes.

Regarding Aperture v2, in the last 10 months I'm sure that the development team has finally debugged the memory leaks and redesigned the database / keyword functions so these are quicker. I also expect the ability to support multiple libraries across different drives. Plus the "new" features that they will surprise us with!

Despite it's obvious flaws, I've gambled on Aperture 1.x because I expected the company that improved FCP v1 to do the same thing to Aperture v1.

Since it's designed to decode RAW files on the fly, the $300 program Aperture exists because Apple wants its users to go to buy a $10,000 computer to use it on (MP 3 GHz, 8GB RAM, 4x 500 GB HDs, X1900 XT graphics, and a 30" Apple DIsplay). Add another $1400 for the in the Quadro FX 4500!

Apple is making a bundle on these machines, and they want to WOW the press and "hog the spotlight" before the start of the show. Then all the attendees will be sure to visit the Apple booth and watch Aperture decode RAW files on the fly from a library of 25,000 RAW images.

Then hopefully they'll head home and spend lots of hard earned cash on new expensive MBP systems.

[p0intblank]

Prior to the date being given out for the press event I was fully expecting a new MBP at Photokina.

However now given that it is on a Sunday I see no hope of an update. They wouldn't take down the store on a Sunday whereas the Apeture update will either be a free download or a preview of a 2.0 App therefore needing no major store changes.

PS Is there any precedence of hardware updates on a Sunday?

It's a special event, so I see no reason why Apple cannot take the online store down for a couple hours. The new iMac 24-inch was introduced on a Wednesday rather than a Tuesday. Perhaps Apple will just announce Aperture 2.0 and then new MacBook Pros will be released that Tuesday. Ah, I don't know! Anything can happen with Apple... :)

Oh and as for the update to Aperture 2.0 being free, I highly doubt that will happen. The only way I can see it being free is if it was a minor update, like to version 1.2. Apple wouldn't hold an event for a minor update, though, so 2.0 it is!

[Guirgi]

But since everyone's discussing MBP's, I guess it fits.

I know the Merom chip is compatible with the current boards in the CD MBP, but I've never heard anyone actually say that a CD MBP can be upgraded by simply dropping in a Merom chip. Will this be possible?

[masterthespian]

Haha, now you're going to have me thinking about this while I am in mass next Sunday. :p


couldn't help myself.....:D :D :D ...first thing that ran thru my mind when everyone said it's on a sunday....;) ;)

mT

[Yvan256]

Any chance we'll see an Apple widescreen H.264/AAC camcorder there? And how about an iPod dock connector/cable to use an iPod for storage to keep the costs down (and sell more iPods)?

[MattyMac]

I wish I was more into photography...I would probably be excited about this:rolleyes:

[kedar]

Hmmm, an Aperture update would be cool. I wonder if they would make any financial "concessions" to people who have recently purchased Aperture... :o

I have just received two copies of Aperture - what is Apple's policy on this - do I just have to go and buy upgrade two weeks later. :(

[HecubusPro]

It could be no other thing.

It could be many other things--Aperture, iSight, Cinema Displays, updated laptops, etc.
What it won't be is an iPhone.

[daneoni]

But since everyone's discussing MBP's, I guess it fits.

I know the Merom chip is compatible with the current boards in the CD MBP, but I've never heard anyone actually say that a CD MBP can be upgraded by simply dropping in a Merom chip. Will this be possible?

No, the chip is soldiered onto the board and not socketed like desktops

[iMeowbot]

I know the Merom chip is compatible with the current boards in the CD MBP, but I've never heard anyone actually say that a CD MBP can be upgraded by simply dropping in a Merom chip. Will this be possible?
Not by mere mortals. The CPU is soldered in. I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility that Daystar or someone like that would come up with some kind of upgrade service.

[bluebomberman]

MacWorld corrected the date to September 25 (so *not* on a Sunday).

[MIDI_EVIL]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

How can you be so sure?

You are a photographer yourself, and you use a laptop as you travel correct?

Maybe Apple just want to be present, demoing Aperture running on the MacBook Pro's, in the hope of converting a few more Windows photographers.

Maybe they won't make a fan fare and just be there to demo the MacBook Pro with Core 2 Duo running Aperture.

Rich.

[ChrisA]

I doubt Apple will introduce new hardware at this photography show. OK maybe a C2D MBP but that is a minor upgrade, basically just a speed bump. You don't send out invetations to a "special event" and then anounce a "speed bump"

I think it will be software. First will be Aperture 2.0 that addresses same of the issues. Remember months ago when Apple disbanded the Aperture software team? What we will see on the 24th is the work done so far by the new development team. I expect to see some new ideas, better performance and better RAW processing.

But a special event just for one version release? They will have to have something else. A "One more thing..." item. My gues is a new software package. A l photo editor. I doubt Apple will try and compete with Adobe's CS2 or CS3 but they could take on Adobe's "Elements". or more narowly, PSE's editing abilty. There is room for a pixel editor that has a better user interfacethan Adobe. Apple could have looked at Nikon's "Cature NX" and how it uses "control point" and does not destructive editing.

Apple could also do something to make color managment simpler and easier. Wouldn't it be realy nice if the ACD had a built-in color measurement ability. Self monitoring. Or maybe an abient light color measurement so it would "know" if the room was lit with window light or flourecent. This kind of thinng would give people a reason to by ACD rather then Dell or whatever is cheaper. It wuld be revolutionary and worth of a "special event"

[Mitch1984]

I just hope they don't stick iSights in all the displays.

I know, it would be nice, but have you ever worked in a government installation before? No photographic devices of any kind. Co-workers at my last job are stuck with PowerBooks because they can't bring a MacBook (Pro) into any area that contains classified material, and many of them have their offices in such locations. If they couldn't buy new Cinema display I'm sure they'd be even more annoyed.

Sucked for some that had to find cell phones without a camera, too.

I work in a government building. With ours there is a rule about cameras but it isn't strict.
Basically they say there is a difference between holding your phone as if you're going to take a picture and holding your camera when your texting, which we're supposed to at break (unless you're a manager and you have a work phone)

[HecubusPro]

Prior to the date being given out for the press event I was fully expecting a new MBP at Photokina.

However now given that it is on a Sunday I see no hope of an update. They wouldn't take down the store on a Sunday whereas the Apeture update will either be a free download or a preview of a 2.0 App therefore needing no major store changes.

PS Is there any precedence of hardware updates on a Sunday?

This is also another reason why I believe MBP updates will happen this Tuesday the 19th.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Think we've moved on some what from the crappy cameras in phones

My latest phone has a 3.2 MP cam - with optical zoom.

In fact - its better than my camera was last year!
A camera isnt only about MP. The weakest link of the camera in phones is the optics. You just cant get good pics from a camera phone due to the limited formfactor, even if you had 3200 MP.
So yes, in a foreseeable furture, the cameras in phones are crap.

[rtharper]

I work in a government building. With ours there is a rule about cameras but it isn't strict.
Basically they say there is a difference between holding your phone as if you're going to take a picture and holding your camera when your texting, which we're supposed to at break (unless you're a manager and you have a work phone)

Do you deal with classified material? The rule isn't important at the facility I worked at unless it was an area where clearance was required to enter.

[akadmon]

Can someone explain to me why Apple would release new MBPs at an event named after a retired Russian female shot-put thrower?:confused:

[damienvfx]

Here we go again,
High expectations for another event.
Just take the event this week as a lesson.
Showtime, we got:
Movie Store
Update ipods
ITV.

All related to Itunes and audio video experience. That's why was called "Showtime"

Now we have a new event coming up at a Photokina, photographers event.
What should we expect?
Aperture update and maybe something else relate to Photographers needs.
That's all folks!

Stop dreaming about Iphone, Mac Book Pro etc. it won't happen.
MPB's will be update on a Tuesday just like the Imac was couple weeks back. No special event for that.

Iphone if happens will be either have their own event or at MWSF.

Then later people get upset with Apple and don't understand why. Reality check guys.

You need to stop capitalizing that "i". Seriously.

[freebooter]

A camera isnt only about MP. The weakest link of the camera in phones is the optics. You just cant get good pics from a camera phone due to the limited formfactor, even if you had 3200 MP.
So yes, in a foreseeable furture, the cameras in phones are crap.

There are software solutions that promise a different future than what you envision. DXO Optics made an announcement recently about using software to drastically correct cell phone camera pictures. Shouldn't be long...

[HecubusPro]

My prediction:

Definiantly:
MacBook Pro:
2 15" and 1 17" model with 2.16 and 2.33 GHz Merom
1 GB RAM standdard, up to 3 or 4 GB
100 and 120 GB HDD's, up to 160 GB
8x DVD+/-RW DL drives for all
X1600 Pro in low-end 15" and X1800 Pro/XT in hi-end 15" and 17"
FW800 on all models
Magnetic latch (no integrated keyboard)
Expresscard/54 slot on all models
$1899 - $2299 - $2499

I love the way you think. The price seems low, but I wouldn't complain. :)

[freebooter]

You need to stop capitalizing that "i". Seriously.
I hope that the "i" prefix drops from use all together.

[MacinDoc]

But since everyone's discussing MBP's, I guess it fits.

I know the Merom chip is compatible with the current boards in the CD MBP, but I've never heard anyone actually say that a CD MBP can be upgraded by simply dropping in a Merom chip. Will this be possible?
Not unless you are good with soldering and don't mind voiding your warranty - the CD chip is soldered onto the motherboard. Also, a firmware update would be required, and may not be available.

[aafuss1]

A Digital Image Suite esque bundle of a pro iPhoto and Aperture.

[iMeowbot]

A Digital Image Suite esque bundle of a pro iPhoto and Aperture.
:confused: Aperture is a pro iPhoto.

[Teddy's]

A Photographers event, eh?
I want to dig deep into photography. Last week I went to a bookstore and I was looking for Digital Photography books. What I found was something terrible: lots of books featuring Adobe Photoshop, Camera Raw plugins, Adjustment of curves, RGB's, clone pixels, RAW and more RAW books.
I got really frustrated because, even though I understand that RAW format, I find everything just out of mind. It is so complicated... hey! I just want to edit my pictures with something easier like iPhoto without something complicated like Photoshop's Camera RAW. I found Aperture easier than PS. I tried it in an Apple Store with a MBP 17-inch like mine and it was sloooooooooow! But it is fine... I can deal with that, I think. What about an upgrade of Aperture where it is optimized and faster? I would really hate if they do a software upgrade and they make Aperture slower on Apple's previous (to C2D) hardware. The other part of the story is that I would like a gorgeous 20+ widescreen display, I don't care about an iSight built-in.

So maybe this is the time for good Photo-products upgrades...

[dondark]

This can be good...does look like a photo only event....but we can still hope (iPhone with great camrea ?)


it would be iPhone with Vodaphone.

[oneighturbo]

new here to the forums.

i've been patiently waiting for the MBP to be updated before i ordered but wanted to jump on the iPod deal as well which ends the 16th

if one was to place an order and then these are announced the following week, would Apple upgrade you to the comparable machine?

[zoozx]

A Digital medium format camera back to compete with $30,000.00 Digital medium format camera backs that apple sells for $9,000.00.
Apeture included.
I take back everything I said about the puck mouse and Steve Jobs!

[Half Glass]

According to MacWorld, they originally reported the date as the 24th, but have corrected their article and it is the 25th.

Not a huge deal, just clarifies that there will not be an Apple Special event then a seperate event at Photokina.

--HG

[bikertwin]

I doubt Apple will introduce new hardware at this photography show. OK maybe a C2D MBP but that is a minor upgrade, basically just a speed bump. You don't send out invetations to a "special event" and then anounce a "speed bump"

I think it will be software. First will be Aperture 2.0 that addresses same of the issues. Remember months ago when Apple disbanded the Aperture software team? What we will see on the 24th is the work done so far by the new development team. I expect to see some new ideas, better performance and better RAW processing.

But a special event just for one version release? They will have to have something else. A "One more thing..." item. My gues is a new software package. A l photo editor. I doubt Apple will try and compete with Adobe's CS2 or CS3 but they could take on Adobe's "Elements". or more narowly, PSE's editing abilty. There is room for a pixel editor that has a better user interfacethan Adobe. Apple could have looked at Nikon's "Cature NX" and how it uses "control point" and does not destructive editing.

Apple could also do something to make color managment simpler and easier. Wouldn't it be realy nice if the ACD had a built-in color measurement ability. Self monitoring. Or maybe an abient light color measurement so it would "know" if the room was lit with window light or flourecent. This kind of thinng would give people a reason to by ACD rather then Dell or whatever is cheaper. It wuld be revolutionary and worth of a "special event"

Thank you. Finally, a voice of reason among all the detritus in this thread.

I seriously hope you are right about a Photoshop Elements killer. That would be a perfect plug-in or part of Aperture 2.0.

[ickies]

My prediction:

Definiantly:
Aperture 2.0 ($299)
MacBook Pro:
2 15" and 1 17" model with 2.16 and 2.33 GHz Merom
...


Definiantly - I love it. Defiant + Definitely! I think you just coined a fantacular word!

[MacinDoc]

new here to the forums.

i've been patiently waiting for the MBP to be updated before i ordered but wanted to jump on the iPod deal as well which ends the 16th

if one was to place an order and then these are announced the following week, would Apple upgrade you to the comparable machine?
If the new one is announced before your order ships, it will be automatically upgraded. Otherwise, you should return the unopened product within 2 weeks of purchase for a free upgrade.

[Kelmon]

Gee, I love that a thread about a photography event has been hijacked by wishes for a new MacBook Pro. As far as I am concerned the release of these laptops can't come soon enough. For the last month the money has been in the bank for the biggest, bad-ass MacBook Pro that Apple will release so I'm just waiting and hoping now. Following the announcements on Tuesday I may throw in an iPod (3-years+ of Mac and I've only held one once...) unless my wife catches me first.

Bring it on.

[Dr.Gargoyle]

There are software solutions that promise a different future than what you envision. DXO Optics made an announcement recently about using software to drastically correct cell phone camera pictures. Shouldn't be long...
the G5 PowerBook shouldnt be that long either. :rolleyes:
I will trust it when I see it. Heck, why do professional photographers spend much more on the optics, than on the house? Picture quality is all in the optics.

[wallock]

All I have to say is....

Encore of the John Legend performance will have the crowd going NUTS :rolleyes:

[oneighturbo]

If the new one is announced before your order ships, it will be automatically upgraded. Otherwise, you should return the unopened product within 2 weeks of purchase for a free upgrade.

so far its 24hr shipping..

that will mean living with a MBP unopened for 11 days and then some... :eek: :D

[p0intblank]

All I have to say is....

Encore of the John Legend performance will have the crowd going NUTS :rolleyes:

What do you mean by this? Dull crowd...? If so, then I agree. The crowd hardly cheered like they usually do.

[Josias]

Definiantly - I love it. Defiant + Definitely! I think you just coined a fantacular word!

Think Different

[Mac Fly (film)]

New Aperture, New MacBook's, and hopefully New MacBook Pro's with the magnetic latch, and that fabulous magnetic keyboard.

[Reach]

- Image editing hardware (workstation)
- Image processing software
- Digital filing equipment and software
These are the products that Apple is exhibiting at the show, according to the photokina-site. Just to point out to the people that somehow has forgotten that Apple makes hardware very well suited for photography that a Macbook Pro is not out-of-place here! :p

[ImNoSuperMan]

and what happened to that Apple patent for thousands of small camera embedded on the LCD?

Dont expect it to see the light for atleast 2-3 years minimum. Any company wud like to get it`s idea patented asap. A minor lag in getting a patent could prove disastrous. Apple has already been punched in the face by creative just coz they got the patent earlier than Apple.

[Lynxpoint]

aperture update aside, what do the "pro photographers" on here see as something missing in their workflow or that could critically change their workflow?

I like the sound of a monitor that self colour corrects, for example.

[shadowx]

My prediction:

Definiantly:
Aperture 2.0 ($299)
MacBook Pro:
2 15" and 1 17" model with 2.16 and 2.33 GHz Merom
1 GB RAM standdard, up to 3 or 4 GB
100 and 120 GB HDD's, up to 160 GB
8x DVD+/-RW DL drives for all
X1600 Pro in low-end 15" and X1800 Pro/XT in hi-end 15" and 17"
FW800 on all models
Magnetic latch (no integrated keyboard)
Expresscard/54 slot on all models
$1899 - $2299 - $2499


The MBP would be great... but I really doubt all of those changes. Even with CPU, HDD, and RAM bumps only... I think the price points stay unchanged - Apple has a history of doing that. It would be nice if I'm wrong, though;)

[Unorthodox]

September 25th (http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/09/14/photokina/index.php).
Not the 24th.

[aswitcher]

New iSight? Works with new 5.5th Gen iPod?

[DHagan4755]

You guys are forgetting that last year, at a photography-related event, Apple bumped the PowerBooks. That was the event where they introduced Aperture. If it happened before, it could happen again!

[MacinDoc]

There's now way Apple would call a press event just to announce an incremental upgrade of Aperture (Although this will be part of it). There has to be at least "one more thing". The question is, what does Apple have up its sleeve?

1. C2D MBPs? Unsure about whether Apple will introduce them before or during the event, but with Dell C2Ds now shipping, you can bet that it will be happening in the next week or two. They'll come with a new drive bay, so the HD can be easily upgraded, since this is one of the limiting factors for a professional-grade laptop. RAM upgradable to 3GB or 4GB to maximize performance. Shipping immediately.

2. New displays? Probably. They need to be upgraded to match the brightness of the new iMac displays. Built-in iSight? Only if it can be disabled in a verifiable fashion.

3. iPhone? At Photokina? Not a chance!

4. PhotoShop killer? I don't expect a new professional photo editing app, but Apple could add plug-ins to Aperture to move it in that direction. I suppose there is room for a lite version of Aperture to fill in the middle ground between the professional grade program and iPhoto, something along the lines of PhotoShop Elements.

5. C2D MacBooks? Don't thinks so, but I expect to see them before the end of October, once Apple uses up its supply of CD chips and the supply of C2Ds eases.

[MacinDoc]

Any chance we'll see an Apple widescreen H.264/AAC camcorder there?
It's an interesting idea, but I think this one is in next year territory, when it can be combined with iTV for wireless video streaming to you Mac or your TV.
And how about an iPod dock connector/cable to use an iPod for storage to keep the costs down (and sell more iPods)?
A definite possibility, since one of the things Apple is purportedly demoing at the show is a data archiving system.

[maxspivak]

Why is everyone saying that Aperture 2.0 announcement is too little???

Photokina is all about *photo*. Aperture is about digital *photo* workflow. Its workflow features were pretty groundbreaking a year ago. Yes, it was buggy before first update. Yes, it was slow, and still is too some extent. But the features they showed -- autostacking, the loupe, the library -- are *fantastic*. They had a year to improve -- why not hold a big event to show it off!

No one would say that Adobe hosting an event to show new version of Photoshop would be to little, right? Same goes for Apple.

I'm desperately waiting for the update. If AP update (2.0, 1.5 -- whatever) improves speed on new Mac Pros, my order for a MP + AP goes right in. And $3.5K go to pay for it.

[nemaslov]

It will be the Apple HAL 9000 computer . Looks like HAL from 2001 A Space Odyssey :D

"...open the iPod Bay door Hal."

[MattDell]

Since I'm buying a MBP tomorrow, I can guarantee that the MBP will be released either next Tuesday or at Photokina.


Enjoy! ;)

-Matt

[MacinDoc]

Why is everyone saying that Aperture 2.0 announcement is too little???

Photokina is all about *photo*. Aperture is about digital *photo* workflow. Its workflow features were pretty groundbreaking a year ago. Yes, it was buggy before first update. Yes, it was slow, and still is too some extent. But the features they showed -- autostacking, the loupe, the library -- are *fantastic*. They had a year to improve -- why not hold a big event to show it off!

No one would say that Adobe hosting an event to show new version of Photoshop would be to little, right? Same goes for Apple.

I'm desperately waiting for the update. If AP update (2.0, 1.5 -- whatever) improves speed on new Mac Pros, my order for a MP + AP goes right in. And $3.5K go to pay for it.
I, for one, can't remember the last time Apple had a press event to introduce just one item (although the iPod case introduced along with the iPod HiFi was a bit of a joke, but then again, Apple promoted that event as the introduction of a few minor fun things). Steve knows that the faithful hunger for "One More Thing"; it's our well-known addiction, and a large part of what keeps Apple in business.

[hondaboy945]

OMG it's made from Magnesium. What if it catches on fire?
I assume you are kidding. Wow I reallyhope you are kidding. Just kidding. Seriously it is likely that there will never be a DSLR by Apple. It would be cool if Apple announced the acquisition of Adobe systems. That way they could add Aperture to CS3 and call it something "catchy." We all love speculation. Can't wait. My wife is a photographer.

Also what exactly was the recent ACD upgrade besides the lowering of price, I think I missed this.

[Mitch1984]

There is no way in hell that they will introduce laptops at this event.

Period.

Hmm didn't Apple release the 17" MacBook Pro at NAB earlier this year. :rolleyes:

[min_t]

Steve walks up to the stage holding a cobalt blue notebook. He opens it up and hits the power button. The audience is temporarily blinded by the brighness of the LED bulbs used to power the apple logo on the lid. (It will come in handy when you're lost in the wilderness and need to signal a passing aircraft.)

"It runs on core2duo. And the color is user customizable."

He then turns the notebook around so we can see the screen.

"It's running our newest universal product, Photoshop killa 1.0."

[Gurutech]

I definitely see Aperture update.
Merom MBP.. hm.... it's not worthy of holding a special event for that ... unless it gets NEW design.

I don't know.. we may see totally new program from Apple.
perhaps Apple's photoshop killer?
no idea.. :o

[Mac Fly (film)]

There's now way Apple would call a press event just to announce an incremental upgrade of Aperture (Although this will be part of it). There has to be at least "one more thing". The question is, what does Apple have up its sleeve?

1. C2D MBPs? Unsure about whether Apple will introduce them before or during the event, but with Dell C2Ds now shipping, you can bet that it will be happening in the next week or two. They'll come with a new drive bay, so the HD can be easily upgraded, since this is one of the limiting factors for a professional-grade laptop. RAM upgradable to 3GB or 4GB to maximize performance. Shipping immediately.

2. New displays? Probably. They need to be upgraded to match the brightness of the new iMac displays. Built-in iSight? Only if it can be disabled in a verifiable fashion.

3. iPhone? At Photokina? Not a chance!

4. PhotoShop killer? I don't expect a new professional photo editing app, but Apple could add plug-ins to Aperture to move it in that direction. I suppose there is room for a lite version of Aperture to fill in the middle ground between the professional grade program and iPhoto, something along the lines of PhotoShop Elements.

5. C2D MacBooks? Don't thinks so, but I expect to see them before the end of October, once Apple uses up its supply of CD chips and the supply of C2Ds eases.
Damn! I forgot about those juicy new displays. Woot! :D

[Indiana82]

If Jobs is realy taking a plane to the whole way down to germany, I think he is presenting more than a software update. But is he realy comming? Or is it again a live-streaming kinda thing? Or might someone else be leading through the show?

WHO KNOWS!

[CalfCanuck]

One thing I noted on the old page 2 thread was the possibility of a REAL Photo iPod - more like my Epson P-4000. It could double as a video player for the new "higher res" iTunes video downloads.

But back to the photo crowd. Wouldn't it be sweet to have a larger Photo iPod that was integrated into Aperture ...

1. High speed internal CF and SD card inputs in this larger case

2. Full support for RAW and RAW zooming

3. Under a pound / 450 g in weight

4. Large, bright 640 x 480 screen

5. Killer feature: Aperture keyword / ranking / stacking functions on the iPod!!

You're on the road shooting, and traveling light. During breaks you upload your CF/SD cards to the new "Aperture.iPod". When you're sitting in a cafe, back at your hotel, or taking a train home you whip out the Aperture.iPod and using the Keywords.plist you uploaded from Aperture before you left you start Stacking, key-wording, and ranking images.

Next day you head to your studio, upload the new images from the Aperture.iPod to your MP 3Ghz (w/16 GB RAM and 3 TB of HDs!), and the first pass of your sorting is already done!

Aperture is SUPPOSED to be about meshing cool software with Apple hardware to make the professional (and dedicated amateur) photographer's life easier. I'm 99% sure this press conference will be about how Aperture and Apple hardware let's you focus on creative shooting, not IT issues.

[beshyddaren]

I don't know what the status on MBPs in other countries is, but back here in good old norway, no apple outlet has MBPs in store (though they have plenty of MBs, even though the MBs are the killer sellers). Both apple store and the various apple outlets I've talked to won't have MBPs in store for another 14 days (11 days now), which (in my screwed up head, atleast) fits very well with an apple event the 25th.

It also suggests that if new laptops are released, only the MBPs will see the upgrades. Apple store _does_ display the normal "ships within 24 hours" message on MBPs, but a couple of phone calls revealed they're on the same two-week lack of MBPs as normal stores.

I don't really care much for the merom, but other possible updates are enough to make me wait a bit. Hoping photokina is where my wait will be over :)

[jellomizer]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?
I Hope so. I wanna a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro!

[mromero]

1.Aperture 2.0
2.MacBook Pro w/ Intel Merom

[iJawn108]

The invitation suggests Aperture, but could it also be an extreme closeup of an isight camera on a black anodized MBP? ;) :cool: :D :eek: :confused:
i honestly don't think they will pull the black(top model) stuff into the pro line.

[Bobthemonkey]

1.Aperture 2.0
2.MacBook Pro w/ Intel Merom

with three being some form of extenal storage device

im thinking apple branded eSATA HDD enclosures and/or esternal blu-ray burners


that would fit with the photokina site listing if apple german is the same as apple

http://208.106.154.143/index_suche.cfm?CFID=329&CFTOKEN=81545451&search=erg&oldsearch=0&MesseID=0240&Sprache=3&Jahr=2006&view=photokina&useCSS=&austeller=2470898&U_searchstring=apple&U_formname=AusstellerSuche&U_maxdisplay=10

http://208.106.154.143/index_suche.cfm?CFID=329&CFTOKEN=81545451&search=erg&oldsearch=0&MesseID=0240&Sprache=3&Jahr=2006&view=photokina&useCSS=&austeller=2522244&U_searchstring=apple&U_formname=AusstellerSuche&U_maxdisplay=10

[FleurDuMal]

One thing I noted on the old page 2 thread was the possibility of a REAL Photo iPod - more like my Epson P-4000. It could double as a video player for the new "higher res" iTunes video downloads.

But back to the photo crowd. Wouldn't it be sweet to have a larger Photo iPod that was integrated into Aperture ...

1. High speed internal CF and SD card inputs in this larger case

2. Full support for RAW and RAW zooming

3. Under a pound / 450 g in weight

4. Large, bright 640 x 480 screen

5. Killer feature: Aperture keyword / ranking / stacking functions on the iPod!!

You're on the road shooting, and traveling light. During breaks you upload your CF/SD cards to the new "Aperture.iPod". When you're sitting in a cafe, back at your hotel, or taking a train home you whip out the Aperture.iPod and using the Keywords.plist you uploaded from Aperture before you left you start Stacking, key-wording, and ranking images.

Next day you head to your studio, upload the new images from the Aperture.iPod to your MP 3Ghz (w/16 GB RAM and 3 TB of HDs!), and the first pass of your sorting is already done!

Aperture is SUPPOSED to be about meshing cool software with Apple hardware to make the professional (and dedicated amateur) photographer's life easier. I'm 99% sure this press conference will be about how Aperture and Apple hardware let's you focus on creative shooting, not IT issues.

That'd be very nice, but I think that's too niche for Apple to get into. Although Apple does take its photography seriously, it only really produces hardware that is versatile and can be used for many different tasks - i.e. although the Mac Pro is serious photograhpy equipment, it can also be serious movie editing or CAD equipment. Infact, I can't think of any hardware made by Apple that is specifically photography directed.

Then again, there's nothing to say they won't break the habit of a lifetime.

[Multimedia]

According to MacWorld, they originally reported the date as the 24th, but have corrected their article and it is the 25th.

Not a huge deal, just clarifies that there will not be an Apple Special event then a seperate event at Photokina.

--HGDo we have an exact hour the event will be held. Because it's at least 8 maybe 10 hours later in Germany than it is in San Francisco. So that would be helpful. I haven't had time to read teh whole thread.

I think it will be Aperature 2 UB and the MBP launch. 2.33GHz C2D 17" with easy HD access and swap outs.

So I guess it's eleven more days for Apple to keep buildin' 'em and stackin' 'em on up and dispersin' 'em throught the planet so we can TROUNCE on 'em that fateful Monday morning when Apple starts sellin' 'em.! :p

[Chimera]

Do we have an exact hour the event will be held. Because it's at least 8 maybe 10 hours later in Germany than it is in San Francisco.

We're ahead in Europe so it'll probably be around 2AM in the morning for San Fran if the event is in the early morning as per the standard Apple event timing.

[EagerDragon]

I am very interested in Aperture, but Apple does not have a demo version to try for 30 days. I wish they did.

[EagerDragon]

Is there any chance that they'll release the MBPs here?
Good chance, but just a guess, the chip been out a while now.

[corywoolf]

My money is on:
- MacBook Pro w/ Core 2 Duo (shipping in Oct.)
- Aperture 2.0
- iSight with Built in IR Receiver + Apple remote

[EagerDragon]

i am a mac-apple newbie~~~
aperture 2!!!waiting for me...i m a photography lover...

i have go through (youtube) a few previous keynote that brought by Steve...

i have addicted with aPPLe

cant wait my new 24' iMac n my new iPod..shuffle
Welcome to the Mac Family, bring your friends. It is always more fun when the family grows. We are vocal, but we have a reason for it. We are proud of Apple and we want them to continue to do better, it is a win win for us that get better and more useful products, and it is better for Apple as we carry the word.

[EagerDragon]

I rerally hope it is more than Aperture 2.0. The displays were recently updated, so... I am lost
There is the possibility of 24" display and iSight built in. This is a photo show. May also see a modified MBP with the Meron and a built in Memory card reader.
There are a lot of laptops with them.

[EagerDragon]

Don't cry - a tablet would be the absolute worst interface for edit digital photos, so there's absolutely no chance that'll be happening at photokina.
Would it?
How is it different than using a Wacon Tablet?
Would seem like there would be a lot more control. But maybe I am wrong. Still would love to try it.

[iMeowbot]

How is it different than using a Wacon Tablet?
There are a few nice features you get with a separate tablet. First, your hand doesn't interfere with your view of the screen. Second (and kind of related), you don't get fingerprints all over your screen. Third, there is no need to calibrate the pointer with the display (it's maddening when the cursor is a few pixels away from a stylus).

[EagerDragon]

I doubt we'll see some headless tower (apart from the macpro) i honestly don't think its in apple's interest to openup a new price point. Mac mini provides a nice entry for windows users, people wanting something next to their tv, or have the monitor etc already. MacBook provides mobile low end. iMac allows a bit more power and features over the mini for home users wanting a bit more and companies and people who dont need the power of the Mac Pro. MacBook Pro is high end portable allowing for graphics, photography, design, etc, and to some extent gaming on the go. The Mac Pro is the beast, a workstation more than a desktop and therefore is over specced for the normal user. But why put in a new model in between a imac and a mac pro when having the gap forces people looking for more than an imac to go for the mac pro and increase revenue. By creating an 'in between' model it takes sales away from the popular imac and the expensive mac pro, would probably have to have lower margins to get people to buy it and would just float about in the middle. Maybe die a fate similar to the cube? I don't see it being a smart move.
Mac Pro is not a gaming machine. The memory kills it. It is a server/workstation class designed to worked on large pieces of data.
Gaming is very different and can not use slow memory, it needs to be snappy. Apple does need to make the Gamer machine but it does not have to be as big as the Mac Pro. Kensfield is a real possibility in that system, and yes it is coming in my opinion. Not so much for us but for selling to Wintel users and potential switchers.

[suneohair]

Seriously though. What are the chances of new display? I plan on buying one soon. If I did buy it next week, and they released new ones on the 25th could I return my old one?

Is there a restocking fee? Thanks.

[maxspivak]

...
You're on the road shooting, and traveling light. During breaks you upload your CF/SD cards to the new "Aperture.iPod". When you're sitting in a cafe, back at your hotel, or taking a train home you whip out the Aperture.iPod and using the Keywords.plist you uploaded from Aperture before you left you start Stacking, key-wording, and ranking images.

Next day you head to your studio, upload the new images from the Aperture.iPod to your MP 3Ghz (w/16 GB RAM and 3 TB of HDs!), and the first pass of your sorting is already done!


Pros would never do this. Their shots are too valuable to load onto a single device. They would always want to back it up to multiple disks, i.e. MBP & FireWire external drive.

[iJawn108]

http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/ipod-phone.jpg

:rolleyes: as if

[HecubusPro]

Seriously though. What are the chances of new display? I plan on buying one soon. If I did buy it next week, and they released new ones on the 25th could I return my old one?

Is there a restocking fee? Thanks.

It's all guessing here of course, but I would wait until the Photokina event before you buy that display. After they dropped the prices on their current cinema displays at WWDC over a month ago, it became sort of apparent to me that that is probably an inventory clearing strategy to make room for new, larger Cinema Displays to be unveiled at Photokina.

If you need the display now though, they are cheaper than they've ever been, so it would be a good time to buy. If you can wait, wait.

[nevir]

new here to the forums.

i've been patiently waiting for the MBP to be updated before i ordered but wanted to jump on the iPod deal as well which ends the 16th

if one was to place an order and then these are announced the following week, would Apple upgrade you to the comparable machine?

If you happen to be a student programmer type, getting an ADC student membership ($100) may interest you... the current MacBook Pros, and most other Apple hardware, is 20-25% off as a one time order.

[dornoforpyros]

damn you apple! now my purchase is delayed further, ok, this is the last 11 days I swear...yeah I've been saying that for every date for the last month, the 5th, the 12...now the 24th.

[iGary]

Hmm didn't Apple release the 17" MacBook Pro at NAB earlier this year. :rolleyes:

Right, the invitation didn't have a bit Aperture logo on it, either. ;)

[Kingsly]

Right, the invitation didn't have a bit Aperture logo on it, either. ;)
I think it makes perfect sense to release a C2D or speed-bumped CD MBP at this event. I mean, it is a pro event after all.

[CalfCanuck]

That'd be very nice, but I think that's too niche for Apple to get into. Although Apple does take its photography seriously, it only really produces hardware that is versatile and can be used for many different tasks - i.e. although the Mac Pro is serious photograhpy equipment, it can also be serious movie editing or CAD equipment. Infact, I can't think of any hardware made by Apple that is specifically photography directed.

Then again, there's nothing to say they won't break the habit of a lifetime.
While I have nothing to back up this idea beyond wild speculation, it makes sense if you think about it for a while.

I used the name "Aperture.iPod" just for this thread. I think the APerture features would be targeted to special audience, but even the Photo uploading features (plus integration into iPhoto) would give it the broader appeal you correctly discuss.

Several reason why this might happen:

1. Apple has had a product called the Photo iPod since October 2004. The fact that few of it's users probably use it for Photos merely points out that it failed in it's targeted market for a number of reasons (probably lack of easy uploading from cameras when not at a computer, small screen, and lack of support for RAW).

2. Apple's announcement a few days ago about the new iTunes store: (to quote Page 1) "TV shows will now be sold at 640x480 px h264. While the updated 5G iPods announced today will be able to play the new format, there has not been any indication from Apple of yet that the new shows will be playable on older 5G iPods. Apple's official knowledge-base article still states that h264-encoded movies must be 320 x 240 at 30 fps."

So why will Apple start selling a video size that isn't designed for the current iPod? While it could be for the "iTV" device, I'd image that is a bit too small a resolution to get people excited about. And even if it is, why start selling it 6 months before the device ships?

3. If Apple was to introduce a new Video iPod with a larger screen, this new larger box would allow a number of things that can''t fit on a small iPod and are perfect for both video AND photography - a large 640 x 480 screen, FW or USB2 connections, and potentially CF/SD card slots (or at least an IO for a fast adapter via the USB2 connection.)

Hence my conclusion (based on pure speculation) - all these things point to a dual use device. Handheld, but larger than normal iPods, and suitable for both consumer video playback AND photography.

What better place to introduce this than the biggest consumer photo show in the world?

[EagerDragon]

The same thing could have been said of the Aperture software...

Plus, what's to stop Apple from teaming with a "true" camera manufacturer and co-branding something?

(I'm not saying it will happen, or that I'm expecting it, but I'm just surprised it's so easily dismissed by people who comment daily on how Apple should enter the cell phone market, DVR arena, PDA front, etc and - for the most part - scoffed at the intro of a consumer music player...)
I seem to remember something like a year ago that they were changing the entire aperture development team. Could this be a radical departure from the old Aperture?

[Willis]

Photokina is a photo convention. Not a computer convention.

the 17" MBP was released at a Media event... why not an update at a Photo event...

This is Apple.. they dont follow rules

[EagerDragon]

I'm hoping for a MBP. It'll be my first Mac. My son just started college and we were going to buy him a Mac Mini. Then I heard about new imacs coming and waited it out and I found that to be a better value than a mac mini. Well he just got it a week ago and it's great! Now I've decided to switch from Windows to Mac and will get a MBP but am waiting for the next generation. I was disappointed it didn't come last week but maybe the 24th. Isn't it unusual for Apple to have something like this on a Sunday? I hear so much about Tuesdays but as other's have said maybe the 19th. I've heard estimates of as late as January becuase of a meron shortage. I can't wait that long to switch to Mac! :)
Extemly likely it will be updated by end of the month at the latests. More than likely before 9/25. Not too worried about the numbers, Intel should have Apple in the prefered list and Apple not likely to expect to sell more than 1/2 mil of them, so they prob have plenty of chips. Likely it may have memry card reader, Meron, no latch, new gen chip for wireless (pre-n). Im not a Pro photographer, but anything that helps the photographer like better way to import or export photos and make life easier for them. All plus for you and me also. BTW welcome to the Family.

[EagerDragon]

If you'd followed the dSLR world at all over the past two years, you wouldn't ask this question. :) Canon and Nikon are doing well; most everyone else is dropping like flies. Sony is trying to pick up the pieces that were Konica-Minolta's dSLR business, but at best they're going to be a distant third behind the Big Two. Pentax and Olympus are holding on as far as I know, but they are not doing well.

It would be a very poor move for Apple, and I have no doubt they realize this. You might think Apple has a rabid fan base to draw on - go read any "Nikon vs. Canon" thread on any photo discussion board sometime to see REAL rabidity. :D
I can see why they are not doing that well...... A film SLR is a heck of a lot cheaper and they were harder to make. They are charging way too much. Back in the old times we all had film SLR's for the quality, ability to change lens (not that different from todays lenses), etc. Unless you are a pro the prices are way out of most people budget. You spend 700 to 4000 for a body and every lens is 500. Crazy.

[manu chao]

Spend your energy on working a few extra hours so you can pay for a RAM upgrade or a 7200 RPM hard drive.

Done. :D

[EagerDragon]

I have just received two copies of Aperture - what is Apple's policy on this - do I just have to go and buy upgrade two weeks later. :(
I suggest you return them quick.

[EagerDragon]

There are a few nice features you get with a separate tablet. First, your hand doesn't interfere with your view of the screen. Second (and kind of related), you don't get fingerprints all over your screen. Third, there is no need to calibrate the pointer with the display (it's maddening when the cursor is a few pixels away from a stylus).
I see your points, but it would seem more natural to write on the screen (hand eye coordination) or to edit a photo, enlarge it, get rid of red eye, etc. If there was no adversed interaction with the stylus. Moving my hand while watching the cursor move far from the hand gets some getting used to. Using a stylus right on the screen would (in my mind) seem more natural. But you are the Pro, so I will defer to you.

[Mac Fly (film)]

I think we'll see the New C2D MacBook's appear on the Apple.com homepage on the 19th, and the following Monday at the event, Apple will announce the New MacBook Pro's with the MacBook style keyboard, and the magnetic latch. As the MacBook Pro is wider, it will get very light magnets at either end of the displays too, to hold it neatly shut.

We'll also be introduced to the new Cinema Displays. I think they'll be lighter and thinner with built-in iSights and IR sensors, and optionally the Apple remote. Steve will also add that there is one more thing. A thing that was the most requested feature for the next Gen Cinema Displays, and that will be iMac-esque hidden speakers.

Size? We'll see 20", 24" and 32".

[tekmoe]

As the MacBook Pro is wider, it will get very light magnets at either end of the displays too, to hold it neatly shut.

one of the best predictions i have heard to date...

[milo]

I think we'll see the New C2D MacBook's appear on the Apple.com homepage on the 19th, and the following Monday at the event, Apple will announce the New MacBook Pro's with the MacBook style keyboard, and the magnetic latch. As the MacBook Pro is wider, it will get very light magnets at either end of the displays too, to hold it neatly shut.

I doubt we'd see the MB first, since that really wouldn't make any sense.

I think we'll just see the MBP as a press release update sometime between now and this event, and then probably an Aperture update at the event, possibly along with other software stuff.

MB updates will probably be some time after.

[asparagus]

I'm hoping for the MPB -still, since around June.

Something that has been mentioned a few times here and there that I would like clarifying. I will be purchasing (as part of a group order) an MPB this Saturday. When I go to the apple website, for glossy, it says 5-7 days. If I ordered the MBP, and somehow managed to hold onto it without tearing it open until the 25th, could I really send it in, unopened, for an updated MBP not questions asked?

Sorry, just wanted to clarify.

[Silentwave]

Don't cry - a tablet would be the absolute worst interface for edit digital photos, so there's absolutely no chance that'll be happening at photokina.


Hrm... for aperture i'd agree probably, but i'd be interested in trying one out with Capture NX :D

[Mac Fly (film)]

I doubt we'd see the MB first, since that really wouldn't make any sense.
Nothing Apple does lately makes any sense, with regards to quite updates etc.

[iMeowbot]

I see your points, but it would seem more natural to write on the screen (hand eye coordination) or to edit a photo, enlarge it, get rid of red eye, etc. If there was no adversed interaction with the stylus. Moving my hand while watching the cursor move far from the hand gets some getting used to. Using a stylus right on the screen would (in my mind) seem more natural. But you are the Pro, so I will defer to you.
There's no need to defer, I'm sure this will all boil down to personal preferences :) All I know is that I was seriously annoyed by the Palm and Pocket PC interfaces, and a Cintiq I borrowed for a while was the same way. For now, a regular tablet seems to do the trick.

I may feel differently about the interface some day when software is a little better about addressing lag (through better use of threading and so on). Faster hardware helps, but programs still like to wander off and do other things that leave the pointer ahead of the display. It's a little less unnerving if you can't quite see it happening :)

[Saladin]

2. Apple's announcement a few days ago about the new iTunes store: (to quote Page 1) "TV shows will now be sold at 640x480 px h264. While the updated 5G iPods announced today will be able to play the new format, there has not been any indication from Apple of yet that the new shows will be playable on older 5G iPods. Apple's official knowledge-base article still states that h264-encoded movies must be 320 x 240 at 30 fps."

That's false information. I already downloaded Sacred Planet (640*480 h.264) from the iTunes Movie Store and loaded it onto my newly updated 5G iPod. The movie works perfectly. Since that would have been the strongest point in your argument for a multiple use device, I would now say your conclusion lacks weight. I'm not saying that they won't release one soon, just use better proofs to support your conclusion next time.

[Mac Fly (film)]

one of the best predictions i have heard to date...
Why thank you!

[HecubusPro]

Something that has been mentioned a few times here and there that I would like clarifying. I will be purchasing (as part of a group order) an MPB this Saturday. When I go to the apple website, for glossy, it says 5-7 days. If I ordered the MBP, and somehow managed to hold onto it without tearing it open until the 25th, could I really send it in, unopened, for an updated MBP not questions asked?

As long as it's not a BTO, you should be able to return the MBP within the 14 day grace period. There is a restocking fee, but several people have stated that if you ask nicely (maybe bake some cookies for them?) they'll waive the restocking fee.

BTO systems cannot be returned unless they're DOA.

[tyzilla]

Not sure why people would get excited about an iCamera. There are many excellent DSLRs out now from companies that have a lot more expertise in building cameras than Apple. I'd rather have a Canon Rebel XT or maybe that new Pentax.

by the looks of the description he/she gave of the "iCamera" or "iDSLR," it was a joke. that's just my take though.