Nintendo. you make me so mad...

[MacRumorUser]

EDIT: I've explained my decisions further as people dont understand, also some things only affect Europe more so than US... I've bolded the bits that i feel most annoyed at.


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So we all know the crap with Sony at this stage, now following concrete specs & release info on the Wii - it's time to turn on Nintendo...

1) $249 :mad: At $249 for a slighlty beefed up gamecube I think nintendo are over stretching. But they have included wii sports, but not everyone likes their gaming choice dictated to them. I would like to have the choice of what games I want to spend my money on, not have the decision forced upon me.

They said at E3 when they announce the price it will be at a cost that would take everyone by surprise and it will make us all run out and buy a wii... $249 is not a suprise.

A 360 price cut will follow if not this holiday season, some time after making the core $250 / premium $350


2) NO DVD playback. ? WHAT !! Nintendo you really are kicking everyone in the nuts with this. They claim it would cost too much to implement it... if 5-7 year old PS2, Xbox could play DVD, I think its shameful that in 2006/7 nintendo don't even support the most popular movie format of all time...

Err you have the hardware, you have the dvd drive, you have the av output ... so what you mean is you are too tight to be bothered to licence a software decoder or make one for your os...

3) No USB ports. looks like this one was just a rumor. THANK GOD!!!

4) Browser costs $$$$ I guess I can cross this off, it wasnt till I thought about it that I realised with the Wii SD resolution, websites arent going to work that great on it anyway.... 640x480...

5) Games at $49 !!! (Which is ok for USA BUT!) not much different to 360, meaning they are probably going to be €54.99-59.99 here in Ireland. That's too much. (Gamecube games are €44.99 -49.99 here - at the current price Wii games will be more expensive here by an addtional €10)

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Please continue to add to the list of things that have really peed you off...

[XNine]

Well, not following Sony exactly, MRU. At least Sony will have USB and DVD capabilities. ;)

But I know what you mean. They blew it on this one. Which is why I'll only buy one if I can mod it for TV shows. That's about it. S

orry you have had yet another console go to hell on you. Looks like there is only one console this generation to be fully worth the money. And it's already on the shelves...

[Sky Blue]

1. They said it would be uder $250.

2. Meh, I have 3 DVD players in my livig room alone, I don't really need another.

3. The official site says it has USB 2.0, others say it doesn't.

4. Yeah that sucks. I won't be paying for it.

5. Games were $49 for Gamecube, you want them to get cheaper?

[MacRumorUser]

It would not surprise me if tomorrow they announce a march 2007 release date for europe at all.

1. They said it would be uder $250.

2. Meh, I have 3 DVD players in my livig room alone, I don't really need another.

3. The official site says it has USB 2.0, others say it doesn't.

4. Yeah that sucks. I won't be paying for it.

5. Games were $49 for Gamecube, you wat them to get cheaper?

1) They said at E3 when they announce the price it will be at a cost that would take everyone by surprise and theyll all run out and but a wii... $249 is not that much of suprise or incentive..

2) Its choice, if 5-7 year old PS2, Xbox could play DVD, I think its shameful that in 2006/7 nintendo don't even support the most popular movie format of all time...

5) If it was $49 here in europe I'd be happy, but going on current price models it means wii games will likely be £39.99-44.99 or €59.99-64.99 Thats only £5 less than 360 and PS3...

[Krevnik]

1) $249 :mad: A 360 price cut will follow if not this holiday season, shortly after making the core $250 / premium $350
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So you start off the post by talking about facts... and then your FIRST gripe is based on rumor and speculation? Wow.


At $249 for a slighlty beefed up gamecube I think nintendo are over stretching. But they have included wii sports, but not everyone likes their gaming choice dictated to them. I would like to have the choice of what games I want to spend my money on, not have the decision forced upon me.


PS2 was a slightly beefed up PS1 and went for 300$, your point?


2) NO DVD playback. ? WHAT !! Nintendo you really are kicking everyone in the nuts with this. They claim it would cost too much to implement it...

Err you have the hardware, you have the dvd drive, you have the av output ... so what you mean is you are too tight to be bothered to licence a software decoder or make one for your os...


Even if they make one, they still pay a per-unit fee to license the rights to use it. All hail the glorious patent.


3) No USB ports... We really are following sony, no dvd, no usb lets hope there's not a bucket load of other goodness they are taking away from us....


Isn't really taking away anything that wasn't given yet. With SD slots, not sure what benefit you get from USB at this point, but IIRC, the ethernet was supposed to be through a USB adaptor... either they saved us the cost and just gave us the port, or the USB is still there.


4) Browser costs $$$$


Not gonna touch this one, nothing really to dispute because of lack of information.


5) Games at $49 !!! So not much different to 360, meaning they are going to be €60 here in Ireland. That's too much.


Your point? Games have been at 50$ for awhile now. Inflation says they should be rising in cost, yet even now you are pissed because they DIDN'T? Wow.

[Sky Blue]

It would not surprise me if tomorrow they announce a march 2007 release date for europe at all.


i said that in the other thread.

[zap2]

xBox 360, is not getting a pricce drop MS said so. DVD play back...everyone has one, saves money for nintendo. The Opera browser, well I'd rather have to pay then not have the option. 49 dollars a game is better then 360 or PS3, its a welcome move they didn't up the price

USB isn't that important..its be nice but SD cards are fine for saves. This is a game system not PC

[dwishbone]

i think $250 is a good price since it comes with wii sports which is a game i was going to get anyway. but, i think it would have been better suited to release the system at $200 and let people buy what they wanted. the system is $215 in japan with no game...so...

dvd playback isnt much of an issue. how many people dont have a DVD player now? true it would be nice to have, but i don't think nintendo saw it as a deal breaker.

when did they say no USB ports? i missed that bit of news today i guess. every demo unit i've seen so far show it has USB ports on the back of the system. they have even made mention as that the wii would support external drives akin to the 360. if they did infact remove them and are going exclusively with SD Memory...i too have to say wtf on that.

browser doesnt cost anything. its included. (pretty sure thats what i read)

$50? thats pretty much the standard for games this past gen. id rather pay $50 than the current $60/$70 for 360 games and by some estimates $80 or more for PS3 games.
and the Wii is much more than a repackaged gamecube.

i still wouldnt hold your breath on a 360 price drop. MS has said repeatedly they cant drop the cost for at least another year or so. they already lose a bundle on each unit. what you will more likely see is what sony has done with the PSP...which is keep the price the same and try and add more value. id expect MS to rebundle the 360 with a game or something. actually what i see happening is when the HDDVD attachment comes out they make that slightly cheaper than the existing premium and include a wireless lan adapter as well and the current premium package becomes the new core. prices will still be around 299/399 range.

[Haoshiro]

Wow, I really am surprised at this sort of reaction which to me is entirely uncalled for.

1) Who didn't expect this price? I did from the moment they said "under $250", even if I was hoping for $199.

2) What system from Nintendo ever included DVD playback? Did you already forget they said months ago DVD playback would be available via an accessory?

3) Why do I want USB? GameCube, PS2, and Xbox all worked fine without USB... why would anyone really care about this. It's a video game console not a friggin media center.

4) Yeah, and you have to pay for Opera DS too - so what? Opera was commercial software until very recently on PC/Mac too. Internet usage is obviously not the primary focus of Wii, they have no good reason to include it out of the box, for the people that really care about using the internet on a system with no keyboard, they can bloody well pay for it.

5) Nintendo said they weren't going to raise the cost, and they didn't. That doesn't mean we won't see games at less then that, just like Brain Age.

And as for WiiSports, it is a pack-in game and I think it's a great move on there part, it was obvious with the way they intend to market this towards none gamers. It needs to be a complete package that can be bought and used out of the box with no additional cost - and that is what they did. If you think you are paying $50 for the game I really think you are wrong.

I'd never have expected such an overblown reaction about this, especially not from you MRU! LOL.... get a grip sir! :D

[takao]

USB: where does this rumor come from ?

the horse mouth http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/console/index.html is saying USB2.0 x 2

first the false "no zelda at launch" rumor and now this

[Sky Blue]

browser doesnt cost anything. its included. (pretty sure thats what i read)


Nope

[Tommyg117]

The only thing that bothers me is if there really is a lack of USB (2.0 or otherwise). The only reason for this is so I could use an external harddrive to have all my downloaded games in 1 place instead of a bunch of cards.

[Haoshiro]

The only thing that bothers me is if there really is a lack of USB (2.0 or otherwise). The only reason for this is so I could use an external harddrive to have all my downloaded games in 1 place instead of a bunch of cards.

I doubt you'd need a bunch of cards. Every SNES game released across every region doesn't even fill a single 650MB CD. In fact, IIRC, you could fit every NES game and every SNES game on a single CD. All that < 1GB.

Zelda64 is 32MB in size, Mario64 is 8MB. You can easily get 1-2GB SD card and it should *easily* hold every game you purchase. By the time you are able to fill the card you would probably have spent several thousand dollars on VC games... so I really wouldn't worry! :D

[SpankyPenzaanz]

I'm sorry but why would anyone want usb on a console anyway...unless they let us use a thumbdrive as a mem card but that is never going to happen and we all know that...hell i don't want usb on computer i want everything to tranisition firewire 400 and 800

[dwishbone]

dang i missed the opera thing. i was looking forward to that. suckage. what was the price for it?
and yeah the official site still says USB is on the box because it still makes mention of the "USB LAN Adapter"...so enough of this "no usb" crap already.
and 249.99 < $250. its marketing people.
most people like myself were hoping it was MUCH less than $250...but hey...every cent counts.
i doubt ill ever need an external USB drive on the wii, but its good to have and also makes it easy to make addons for the system and to extend the wii's functionality if they want.
i doubt ill ever get enough VC content to fill up most standard SD cards. i will probably be getting about 10 VC games as they become available and about 20 or so snes/nes games and about 10 genesis/hudson titles. i doubt that would fill up a 512MB (and certainly not a 1GB) card

[SpankyPenzaanz]

also as to dvd player who cares? who already dopesn't have a dvd player? and if its not going to be very good dvd playback like ps or xbx then why would you want it - convience of haveing fewer things plugged up - get a power strip and a video selector

[technocoy]

you HAVE to be kidding me. some people are never happy... they announced everything pretty much exactly the way they have been hinting all along.

the negativity on this board about EVERYTHING is beginning to become a drain.

I think you should all switch from teh major platforms in your lives... you obviously aren't happy any more.

this is HARDLY on the same lines with what sony has done this year.

I'll be buying a PS3 and Wii to go along with my 360. I'll be playing and enjoying these despite all the tiny tech head masturbation fantasy letdowns you are all complaining about.

so while all you friends are playing games, having fun and socializing, please continue to complain about how the tangible product didn't live up to the overhyped media ASSUMED specs.I'll be enjoying myself online with all the new cool stuff that has been released this year.

good god.

[jdechko]

The Wii console communicates wirelessly with the Internet via IEEE 802.11 or a USB 2.0 LAN adaptor. Wii also can connect wirelessly with Nintendo DS.

http://wii.nintendo.com/hardware.html

Sound's like confirmation that there will be USB.

[MacRumorUser]

also as to dvd player who cares? who already dopesn't have a dvd player? and if its not going to be very good dvd playback like ps or xbx then why would you want it - convience of haveing fewer things plugged up - get a power strip and a video selector

I care. If the hardware is all there why not use it. Yes I have lots of DVD players, and I also have a Panasonic Q (Gamecube DVD player) - it just suprises me that in 2006 nintendo are NOT supporting the most successful movie format of all time. And I really dont understand why not ? To just say well everyones already got one, is a lame excuse for laziness.

[Sky Blue]

socializing, .....I'll be enjoying myself online .

ok.....

[SpankyPenzaanz]

you HAVE to be kidding me. some people are never happy... they announced everything pretty much exactly the way they have been hinting all along.

the negativity on this board about EVERYTHING is beginning to become a drain.

I think you should all switch from teh major platforms in your lives... you obviously aren't happy any more.

this is HARDLY on the same lines with what sony has done this year.

I'll be buying a PS3 and Wii to go along with my 360. I'll be playing and enjoying these despite all the tiny tech head masturbation fantasy letdowns you are all complaining about.

so while all you friends are playing games, having fun and socializing, please continue to complain about how the tangible product didn't live up to the overhyped media ASSUMED specs.I'll be enjoying myself online with all the new cool stuff that has been released this year.

good god.
I am beginning to agree with you if you are not happy DON'T BUY IT.

[technocoy]

implying with all the next gen games that have online capabilities, therefore socializing with other gamers... smart a$$ :p

[Sky Blue]

5) Games at $49 !!! (Which is ok for USA BUT!) not much different to 360, meaning they are probably going to be €54.99-59.99 here in Ireland. That's too much. (Gamecube games are €44.99 -49.99 here - at the current price Wii games will be more expensive here by an addtional €10)
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This makes no sense. You're saying games used to be $49/49 euros. Wii games are going to be $49, so they'll be 59 euros...how'd you figure?

[MacRumorUser]

This makes no sense. You're saying games used to be $49/49 euros. Wii games are going to be $49, so they'll be 59 euros...how'd you figure?

Your right it doesnt.. But that's how its gone here, because when the 'next gen' systems came out - the straight price comparison STOPPED.

If they keep the $10 / €10 cheaper than the competiton then..

xbox 360 games are $59 = Here €69/75

So $49 wii looks probabal to be €59/65

Meaning they will actually be more expensive than the gamecube... It would be nice if the rest of the world had the same pricing model as the US - but unfortunately we dont...

[plinkoman]

well, I could beat the dead horse to death on the price and everything else, but I wont for now.

opera: I don't know, this is pure speculation here, but wouldn't it be logical to assume that this was more opera's doing than nintendo's?

$50: n64 games: $50, cube games: $50, wii games: $50... I know they mark them up in europe, but i also know they have been doing that for some time now. a wii game may be more in europe than a wii us game, but isn't it still the same as a euro cube game? if so, than I don't see how you could possibly be complaining about it.

dvd playback: yea, it would have been nice (and cheap), but honestly, doesn't anyone truly give a damn? does anyone here not have another dvd player (mac, pc, ps2, xbox, 360, standalone player etc...)?

[MacRumorUser]

a wii game may be more in europe than a wii us game, but isn't it still the same as a euro cube game? if so, than I don't see how you could possibly be complaining about it.

no as I explanied above. unfortunately...

[plinkoman]

no as I explanied above. unfortunately...

oh, well that sucks. how much are 360 games over there?

[Dagless]

Well I can't really say anything about the UK yet as there's nothing official yet.

I tell you though - I will not be paying more than £150 for this. I never have done for a games console and I don't intend starting soon. Nothing against Nintendo, just my own stand point.

I can see how people are annoyed at the DVD functionality. but really, everyone has a DVD player these days. Even my 90 year old grandma who still has a TV from the 80's. Sure it's nice to have one more though. But what will the Wii, or any other DVD player offer me that OSX's DVD Player (with colour and screen options) already offers? I'm sat on the greatest DVD playing software ever. I don't want to budge. (this is me personally, everyone is going to be different)

I don't know how to feel now. Bad things have been said, good things have been said. USB2 and free downloadable Opera browser June 07 should probably be clarified some more. The games and the new play style (which is what got me interested originally) are still there which are still elevating this system above all else to me.

[MacRumorUser]

oh, well that sucks. how much are 360 games over there?

€69-75 $87-95 :eek: I know ! :rolleyes:

[takao]

around (full) gamecube games normally ranged from 45€ (rouge squadron, killer 7) to 59 € (first and third party)

so i don't see how the price should be going up now when nintendo says the stay at 49... for m e that means 49-59 like now...


that aside sony announced that their games will be more expensive in the US with 60$ ...

(i'm not buying 59€*games... i mostly look around untill i can find them cheaper... i think i paid 54,9 twice)

[SpankyPenzaanz]

As to wii not having dvd here is your reason...first party games are region free and third party are upto indiviual developr/publishers. put dvd would require region coding

http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732748p1.html

[MacRumorUser]

As to wii not having dvd here is your reason...first party games are region free and third party are upto indiviual developr/publishers. put dvd would require region coding

http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732748p1.html

That doesnt make sense. Nintendo could still make all the games region free regardless if the DVD software had region coding, hence why multiregion games work on the 360, and yet it still plays DVDs......

[Dagless]

As to wii not having dvd here is your reason...first party games are region free and third party are upto indiviual developr/publishers. put dvd would require region coding

http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732748p1.html

REGION FREE! BACK OF THE NET!

[dwishbone]

i think this is what sparked the no USB...
"Wired also questioned whether Wii owners would be able to add storage capabilities via a USB hard drive add-on. Kaplan's response was that, initially, storage would be limited to flash memory. Although she suggested a hard drive add-on could conceivably be released in the future, it doesn't sound like Nintendo has any official plans as yet. Whether enterprising Wii users will be able to use their own non-Nintendo USB hard drive accessories with the console from the off is unclear."

to me this doesnt mean there is NO USB...it just means it wont work initially. its already been revealed the Wii's firmware is upgradeable so it would just require a system patch somewhere down the road.

and you guys beat me to the region free stuff.
Nintendo just became importer's best friends. woot woot.

[MacRumorUser]

and you guys beat me to the region free stuff.
Nintendo just became importer's best friends. woot woot.

To me they always were :) Bought very few Pal titles as they were always 6 -12 months after the US. Even my cube is imported as its a panasonic Q.. (I shouldnt really complain about €250 as my Q cost around €600 ) I know i'm shameful...

However.... in regards to backwards compatability...

I wonder though will region encoding on gamecube games still be there ? Will freeloader work or will those with NTSC gamecube games in europe, have to import a US wii in order to play them back......

[Sky Blue]

REGION FREE! BACK OF THE NET!


More like: Region Free, go back a few pages in thie other thread.

[Thanatoast]

The only thing that really disapoints me is the lack of DVD. I currently own a POS DVD player that I would love to replace. With DVD playback I could have talked myself into getting it as a multifunction device that fills two needs. Now I'll have more reason to just stick with my DS and get an iTV instead. Darn! :D

[2nyRiggz]

I love to see how nintendo is now getting no love from MR members....LOL...back then nintendo was an unstoppable god....crash the dreams and burn em I see...



Bless

[MacRumorUser]

I love to see how nintendo is now getting no love from MR members....LOL...back then nintendo was an unstoppable god....crash the dreams and burn em I see...


Well i've always been fair to all 3 consoles and whilst I will still buy a Wii (as well as a PS3) I do have things that I'm annoyed about. I guess I'm pre-judging the Wii at the moment as we dont know Euro/Sterling prices until tommorow.

Ok €20-30 more for a console isnt too much, but I still prefer to be given a choice. Only wii aeroplane on wii sports interests me, heck if its anything like pilotwings it will rock.

But the point still remains, during E3 the head of marketing said the price WOULD she emphasised be less than we were expecting. 249 isnt.

I'm glad the USB thing seems to have been a rumor.
I still think no DVD is tight of nintendo.

However if nintendo really want me to be peed off, they'll announce Europe will not receive till March 07. :)

[bobber205]

No love from MR but lots of love from me. I just read that TP will have the mode to have your swing Link's sword yourself! Whoot!
That's what I've been waiting for.

I just want to preorder already. I'm so inpatient! :D

[2nyRiggz]

Well I know that MRU...you are one the the sane ones...as for me I was in the middle as well but I was never on that Big N hype to be let down so much with the actual news...you understand me right.....I see the grounds have been leveled and the N is doing some of the things fans thought wouldn't happen.....reality is really heavy when it hits huh:)



Bless

[takao]

However if nintendo really want me to be peed off, they'll announce Europe will not receive till March 07. :)

argh please no nintendo .. don't pull a sony on us please

offtopic:
that aside i just read that the Mii also store how good you have been with them kinda like scores or something like that and that you can also display movies made by the camera and make puzzles out of those while they are running etc.. quite funny (seen on the IGN interface video
and looking at the release list of games there are plenty of big names of thrid parties and yet unknown games... "forever blue" (nintendo) or "eye shield 21" (nintendo) there is enough to look forward to

[sikkinixx]

lots of anger towards everyone in this thread.... MRU you caused quite the ruckus ;)

[MacRumorUser]

lots of anger towards everyone in this thread.... MRU you caused quite the ruckus ;)

Hey I'm on the fence 360 days a year, I think i'm entitled to 5 days a year mischeif ;) :p :D

In all seriousness I never said anywhere in my OP that I wasnt getting a Wii, I just listed the things I had read and heard since the announcement that annoyed me.

Hey my PS3 & Xbox 360 list of annoyances are far bigger. :) But I still plan to buy a PS3 and already have a 360...

[2nyRiggz]

Hey guys is this the Wii interface....if it is then ewwww.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/wii_preview/presentation/09.html



Bless

[technocoy]

How is the nintendo launch confirmation anything like PS3's?

they are delivering 95% of what they promised on the schedule they promised and at the price they promised. period.

[MacRumorUser]

How is the nintendo launch confirmation anything like PS3's? they are delivering 95% of what they promised on the schedule they promised and at the price they promised. period.

What? What are you talking about :confused:

I said i had a list of annoyances with the PS3 & Xbox 360, I wasnt comparing them directly.. You can be a fan of gaming and still see and have things that really annoy you about it.

Hey guys is this the Wii interface....if it is then ewwww.


Not exactly beautiful, but since its SD that's going to limit things like size and stuff (it wouldnt get away with ps3's font size)

Come to think of it, a browser on a 640x480 screen isnt too apealling to me so I guess i better cross off the fact that opera costs money...

[takao]

Hey guys is this the Wii interface....if it is then ewwww.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/wii_preview/presentation/09.html


why ewwww ? it's nicly animated and isn't fisher price colored ? it should be an easy, decent looking GUI nothing more nothing less....

[2nyRiggz]

^I find the PS3 interface the top looker(simple yet lovley)....360 is nice. The wii(if thats the interface) looks very kiddie like which is not bad but not my style.

Its just what I think guys...don't piledrive me for it

Bless

[sikkinixx]

Hey I'm on the fence 360 days a year, I think i'm entitled to 5 days a year mischeif ;) :p :D

In all seriousness I never said anywhere in my OP that I wasnt getting a Wii, I just listed the things I had read and heard since the announcement that annoyed me.

Hey my PS3 & Xbox 360 list of annoyances are far bigger. :) But I still plan to buy a PS3 and already have a 360...

lol i didnt mean you were hating on everyone, i meant everyone is hating on eachother.

To veer off topic a little, a lot of people seem to think Wii is gonna be the flat out console-sales winner (or come in a close second) because most of the internet support seems to be with it. But I wonder how many people on here own a Gamecube, I would guess almost everyone (hell I do) and at other forums I frequent, everyone seems to have a gamecube too. And everyone seems to love it. Then why the hell is the gamecube sitting in dead last in the current gen sales, and has been at a basement price for a long time now? I wonder if the Wii may suffer the same fate as Snakes on a Plane. There was a huge uproar about it, everyone was talking about it....but it flopped. I'm not saying Wii will flop, but just because Nintendo is prepped to give a good launch, doesnt mean the system will be a winner. Just like how Sony is prepping a lame ass launch, it doesnt mean they will be a loser.

I still think when Johnny's mom goes to best buy and see's a 300$+ (canadian cash mind you) Wii, with its $60 games OR sees the 129.99 DS with its $30 games, she will buy the cheaper alternative for Johnny( if he doesnt have one already anyway). I mean $300+$80 for another controller (wiimote is 40 plus 20 nunchuck thing is gonna be $70 or $80 cdn)+$60 for a game is still $400 before tax. That's still a lot to spend on Johnny for xmas (no where near the $700+ for a PS3 IF you can find one but still a good chunk of change)

*waits for all the big N fans to unyielding rip into every piece of my argument and tell me how wrong i am*


and on a side note, does anyone know how many systems will be for launch? they say 4 million by the end of the year, but Sony says 2 million (we all know how much that it worth though) but I would be much more interested in how many we will see on november 19th/Dec 2nd for our japanese friends.

[greatdevourer]

Hey guys is this the Wii interface....if it is then ewwww.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/wii_preview/presentation/09.html



Bless Thanks for the link. &#165;1000 for some Mario64! Although &#165;500 for a NES game is kinda expensive. I wonder if GB/C/A games will make their way onto Virtual Console :)

EDIT: Yeouch, Twighlight Princess is looking expensive (just shy of $60)

[Sky Blue]

Thanks for the link. ¥1000 for some Mario64! Although ¥500 for a NES game is kinda expensive. I wonder if GB/C/A games will make their way onto Virtual Console :)

How come the ignore function doesn't work when someone quotes someone you ignore!

[sam10685]

1. They said it would be uder $250.

it is under 250. 249.99 is the price. i've always been horrible at math but i think 249.99 is less than 250.

[technocoy]

not directed at you...

"I see the grounds have been leveled and the N is doing some of the things fans thought wouldn't happen.....reality is really heavy when it hits huh"

I'm personally not let down, and if I was it sure isn't anywhere CLOSE to how let down I am by Sony. PS3 started as the system I was MOST exited about, now it's the least.

I see your point about europe getting ass-raped though MRU. you guys get the shaft fairly often with game systems.

[DEXTERITY]

you guys do realize Wii sports is now bowling, boxing (both previously unnanounced), baseball, tennis and golf?

[Sky Blue]

yes.

[greatdevourer]

Well I know that MRU...you are one the the sane ones...as for me I was in the middle as well but I was never on that Big N hype to be let down so much with the actual news...you understand me right.....I see the grounds have been leveled and the N is doing some of the things fans thought wouldn't happen.....reality is really heavy when it hits huh:)



Bless Rofl... bit rich coming from you...

[mrgreen4242]

it is under 250. 249.99 is the price. i've always been horrible at math but i think 249.99 is less than 250.

If they had just said "it'll be under $250" I think most people would have figured on $249.99. However, they didn't just say that... they REPEATEDLY made references to how all other Nintendo consoles were $199 at launch. They also made comments like "it will be less than $250, but I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the price", etc etc.

They definitely made $250 sound like an upper bound, not a likely price while they were trying to get as much attention as possible. Still $250 would have been an OK price if they had included a second controller.

[2nyRiggz]

Rofl... bit rich coming from you...

You'll have to explain this to me....I don't take sides of consoles or companies...I get them all and enjoy them all. Say what you want but I don't play into all of it....so explain yourself if you want.



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[dwishbone]

249.99 < 250

its marketing. nintendo is not the only company that does this...hell almost every company does it. you can buy so and so for under $100...actualy price 99.95....under $20...price 19.99...you get the idea.
and if you put values on games...nintendo first party titles are $50.
$250-$50=$200
the same launch price as every other nintendo console...so...
what nintendo is saying is everyone wants Wii Sports...so why not throw it in.
in japan Wii Sports isnt included and they system costs $215. would you be more happy with this?
personally i wanted Wii sports...but i do think releasing it without a game would have been the way to go. it would have made for alot less bitching i think.

[mkaake]

None of what you listed upset me... I was certainly hoping for less, but I really figured it would be right around the 250 mark. I was thinking 229, but w/o wii sports. Throw that in, and I can see the 250.

Now it's time for my mini rant...

DVD Playback: Would have been nice, but I don't much care. I'm going to only use the Wii in a room with a larger TV (i.e., not the room with the 13" which could use a better dvd player), because I don't know how well I'll like the motion thing on such a small screen. That relegates it to the big boy room, hooked up to the receiver, sitting right by the... dvd player. No biggie. glad I didn't have to pay for the licensing fee required for all DVD players for a feature I wouldn't use. Would be nice if you at least had the option though. Of course, I can still see them making it an option, via firmware update or external dongle. There's really no technical limitation, as far as I can see, since they've got the upgradeable firmware and have the DVD drive in there already.

Game Price: Same as it's been for some time, no surprise. Also why I don't buy new games until they've come down in price. I'm cheap, and I know it. Glad it's coming with Wii Sports, because I'll likely only buy 1 game off the bat, given the prices. More games will have to wait until they're available used. Off topic, used games rock. With gamestop, when you buy used, you've got 7 days to try the game and return it if you don't like it...

USB: It's there, so...

My issue? The cost of controllers. While yes, $40 is cheaper than some other wireless controllers on the market, $40 won't get you a complete controller. Many games make use of a Wiimote and a nunchuck attachment... meaning to get a full second controller you're out $60. Ouch. Bring on the third party. Seems to be anti-multi player. Wavebirds only cost $35 (how much did they release at? It was either 35 or 40, right?), and wired are a lot cheaper. I don't like 3rd party controllers, but there's no way I'll pay $60 so my wife (or my kids for that matter) can play at the same time as me. Just for my wife and my oldest daughter, it would be an extra $120 for controllers for us all to play at the same time. Grrr....

Other rants?

I'm really tired of every negative post today (not just here at MR, but everywhere) starting with: It's just a souped up gamecube, wtf??

I don't feel that I need to really respond to why I have issues with that statement.

Other other rants?

I'm getting pretty tired of people bringing up who they've got on their ignore list, in a not-so-cute-see-through-attempt-at-jabbing-the-person-they're-blacklisting. If you're going to blacklist them, that's great. No need to be so (*@#$% loud about it, because you want them to hear, and get in that 13 y/o type of jab. Try to mature a little bit, it'll get you far in life.

I mean seriously. Do you think that *any* of us don't see the real reason for posts like:

How come the ignore function doesn't work when someone quotes someone you ignore!

And for mini rant x3:

2nyRiggz is not a bad guy. There have been a few times where he's pushed buttons, but I'll be darned if you all didn't do it to him a few times. There are *far* more biased people on these forums than he, and it's really annoying seeing people try to play him as completely anti-nintendo, pro-sony. While he may sometimes seem a little fanboyish, there are far more people defending Nintendo that go way past his very limited fanboyisms.

[MacRumorUser]

good post.

Of course things that annoy us about specific consoles are all personal.

You are also right about the ignore list too.

[Dagless]

you guys do realize Wii sports is now bowling, boxing (both previously unnanounced), baseball, tennis and golf?

Yup, and I can't wait for it. I really like the sound of Wii Sports.

[afornander]

nintendo is trying to make a gaming system, not an entertainment system!!! thats why there is no DVD, USB, ...EXT:)

[MacRumorUser]

Forget the wii, where did nintendo get those Class LCD's in the videos on wii.com ?

[ReanimationLP]

What happened to VGA output? :mad:

[MacRumorUser]

What happened to VGA output? :mad:

Was it meant to have it ? If so yep that's annoying to drop it. Maybe the AV Multi can support VGA with an extra cable :confused:

[2nyRiggz]

Was it meant to have it ? If so yep that's annoying to drop it. Maybe the AV Multi can support VGA with an extra cable :confused:

I hope it does...I don't have a TV and my monitor is all I have. The boxing game in the wii sports package looks great....thats where my time will be spent....that and zelda.



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[sikkinixx]

is the 'sensor bar' what I think it is? You need a stupid reciever thing like with my SuperScope? (anyone remember that little gem? Yoshi's shootout or whatever! that game rocked)

[ReanimationLP]

Yeah, orginally they were planning on having VGA output.

Same with the PS3.

Now only the 360 has it and my TV is actually a 27" CRT computer monitor with a HTPC. So I prefer VGA over S-Video/Composite.

[sikkinixx]

Yeah, orginally they were planning on having VGA output.

Same with the PS3.

Now only the 360 has it and my TV is actually a 27" CRT computer monitor with a HTPC. So I prefer VGA over S-Video/Composite.

couldnt you get a HDMI-DVI converter and then a DVI-VGA one? Or is that too many conversions? I dont think it would work but ya never know!

[ReanimationLP]

couldnt you get a HDMI-DVI converter and then a DVI-VGA one? Or is that too many conversions? I dont think it would work but ya never know!

I'm not paying hundreds of dollars to get the Wii to output in the output they orginally said would be built into the machine. ******* that noise.

[sikkinixx]

I'm not paying hundreds of dollars to get the Wii to output in the output they orginally said would be built into the machine. ******* that noise.

lol calm down champ. I was actually talking about the PS3 but your point is the same regardless. Who knows, Sony might pull an MS and put out a VGA adaptor.

[madog]

"Wah"

[technocoy]

are you all friggin whack jobs?! the 360 doesn't COME with it.. it's a cable... noone has said there won't be a cable that does the same for the Wii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF UNHOLY GOD STOP RUSHING TO CONCLUSIONS!!!!!

there. thats done. thank you for your eyes.

[ZildjianKX]

couldnt you get a HDMI-DVI converter and then a DVI-VGA one? Or is that too many conversions? I dont think it would work but ya never know!

HDMI can only be converted to DVI-D, which does not have the analog portion to work with VGA.

[Zwhaler]

I wish it had dvd playback, Im getting one for my room and I hav't bought the tv or dvd yet, so it would have been a nice bonus.

[bembol]

The last Nintendo I kept...really enjoyed was Super Nintendo...!!!

I tried N64 and DS Lite...I returned it within days...Nintendo NEEDS to get their act together...GROW UP...!!!

[Dagless]

The last Nintendo I kept...really enjoyed was Super Nintendo...!!!

I tried N64 and DS Lite...I returned it within days...Nintendo NEEDS to get their act together...GROW UP...!!!

Nintendo needs to get their act together on the fastest selling gaming machine on earth? :confused: I think someone else needs to get their act together :rolleyes:

[risc]

I'm glad we finally got some real information about the Wii. I can't say I'm impressed and I've cancelled my pre-order I think I'll stick to my 360 and DS for now. I'm not going to take the time to discuss what I don't like about it as I have no interest in having a bunch of :rolleyes:s thrown at me.

[plinkoman]

nintendo is trying to make a gaming system, not an entertainment system!!! thats why there is no DVD, USB, ...EXT:)

umm, hi. read the thread. There IS usb. the no usb thing, just like the no launch zelda thing is a FALSE rumor started by people who couldn't properly read the press releases.

[zap2]

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Confirmed_Wii_Opera_Browser_Free_until_June_2007


However in the article it say Jun 2006 it will be free until..I think just a typo of IGN part

[zap2]

I'm glad we finally got some real information about the Wii. I can't say I'm impressed and I've cancelled my pre-order I think I'll stick to my 360 and DS for now. I'm not going to take the time to discuss what I don't like about it as I have no interest in having a bunch of :rolleyes:s thrown at me.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

And a :rolleyes: :rolleyes: for good measure ;)

But rea;;y not the biggest deal in the world if people don't want/like the Wii..as long an Nintnedo makes enough cash to keep making game consoles, I'm good

[eva01]

MRuser are you still on about the lack of DVD playback?

This is 2006, if someone doesn't have a DVD player then they wont for a long while.

My house alone has 13, I am glad that it doesn't have one to keep the price down. Anything that isn't "needed" shouldn't be put in so as to keep the price down.

249.99 makes me happy. Can't wait for the system, going to kick ass.

[coffey7]

Why would someone have to pay for a free browser(opera)? I have it for mac , linux and windows and I never paid a dime for it. I even have installed a free linux system on my xbox(big black one).

[GFLPraxis]

EDIT: I've explained my decisions further as people dont understand, also some things only affect Europe more so than US... I've bolded the bits that i feel most annoyed at.


----

So we all know the crap with Sony at this stage, now following concrete specs & release info on the Wii - it's time to turn on Nintendo...

1) $249 :mad: At $249 for a slighlty beefed up gamecube I think nintendo are over stretching. But they have included wii sports, but not everyone likes their gaming choice dictated to them. I would like to have the choice of what games I want to spend my money on, not have the decision forced upon me.

They said at E3 when they announce the price it will be at a cost that would take everyone by surprise and it will make us all run out and buy a wii... $249 is not a suprise.

A 360 price cut will follow if not this holiday season, some time after making the core $250 / premium $350

Have you seen the capabilities of this thing? Software: Go watch all the interface videos on IGN, video editing, photo editing that goes beyond iPhoto (seriously, there was some low end Photoshop-style stuff in there), etc.

Hardware, it's 2 inches thick, has WiFi, Bluetooth, 512 MB of flash memory, the controller and nunchuck (with motion and tilt sensors and a speaker and the pointer), sensor bar, plus the hardware is just so small and it is still a significant improvement over the GameCube. On top of that, it comes bundled with a game that will be sold at full price separately in Japan.

I don't think it's unreasonable. On the high end, yes, higher than I hoped for, but not unreasonable.

Furthermore, Nintendo said "under $250". You should have anticipated the possibility that meant $249. Microsoft originally said "under $300" too. I was saddened but not surprised, and very glad they included Wii Sports.

2) NO DVD playback. ? WHAT !! Nintendo you really are kicking everyone in the nuts with this. They claim it would cost too much to implement it... if 5-7 year old PS2, Xbox could play DVD, I think its shameful that in 2006/7 nintendo don't even support the most popular movie format of all time...


Err you have the hardware, you have the dvd drive, you have the av output ... so what you mean is you are too tight to be bothered to licence a software decoder or make one for your os...

A DVD player costs $25. Who cares? It saves money on DVD licensing fees.


5) Games at $49 !!! (Which is ok for USA BUT!) not much different to 360, meaning they are probably going to be €54.99-59.99 here in Ireland. That's too much. (Gamecube games are €44.99 -49.99 here - at the current price Wii games will be more expensive here by an addtional €10)


Uh...the games are priced the exact same as current GameCube games. How can you find a way to complain about that? You're making quite a leap to say that they'll be 59 pounds because Nintendo said they're going to be the same price as GameCube games in the U.S.. I'd say in the UK they'll stay the same price.


Please continue to add to the list of things that have really peed you off...

I was disappointed when I saw the price and date too, but after going through all of IGN's vids I'm quite satisfied with the system. It's amazing.

[GFLPraxis]

I'm sorry but why would anyone want usb on a console anyway...unless they let us use a thumbdrive as a mem card but that is never going to happen and we all know that...hell i don't want usb on computer i want everything to tranisition firewire 400 and 800

The USB is used for hooking Wii systems together, attaching accessories, and Ethernet-to-USB adapters.

[wyatt23]

i'm just curious when everyone started thinking game consoles were pc's.

all a game console really needs are controllers games and good graphics.

does it matter what the hardware is, just so long as when you put in zelda is looks amazing?

if people are complaining about lack of pc features, why not just go build a pc. also, spend more on a graphics card than the entire cost of the Wii. also, have fun time getting wii games and a sick wii controllers on a pc.

nintendo is a great company that does one thing. they make game consoles. not computers. they don't try to be xbox. they are innovative and just as long as they keep making game consoles that rule, i will continue to buy them.

[zap2]

Why would someone have to pay for a free browser(opera)? I have it for mac , linux and windows and I never paid a dime for it. I even have installed a free linux system on my xbox(big black one).


http://digg.com/gaming_news/Confirme...ntil_June_2007

missed this? Also a while back, Opera ad-free cost money for Mac OS X(and Windows I think too) The DS Opera cost money(but its sold like a game, and one can't download it)

I'd pay for Opera for my Wii...but I won't have to because I'll have it buy June 2007

[Dagless]

I laugh at the "ZOMG I HAVE TO pay for Opera". The Xbox costs £120 more than the Wii (if launched at £150) and has NO internet browser. The PS3 has one included. It's in the consoles £450.

I really don't understand what people are complaining about with this. Nintendo are giving us a cheap machine, you pay for extras. they don't bundle like MS did. If you want the browser, you buy it. it's significantly cheaper than anything else on consoles.

(though it's free until June 2007)

[seenew]

I was in class all day (2D Design 11am-1:30pm, lunch, art supplies, English 5-7:30pm, animation showcase at the theater 8-9:30pm), so I'm just catching all this...

I'm upset. I wanted it to include 2 controllers, especially since they said there's gonna be a short supply.. And since it's gonna be $250.. :( BUT, I will still buy one. :\

Another thing, not that I care TOO much, but did they say whether or not there was a DVD attachment to come later?

Also, where can I preorder a Wii in the US? EB and Gamestop both don't have a Wii section yet...

[Jovian9]

you HAVE to be kidding me. some people are never happy... they announced everything pretty much exactly the way they have been hinting all along.

the negativity on this board about EVERYTHING is beginning to become a drain.

I think you should all switch from teh major platforms in your lives... you obviously aren't happy any more.

this is HARDLY on the same lines with what sony has done this year.

I'll be buying a PS3 and Wii to go along with my 360. I'll be playing and enjoying these despite all the tiny tech head masturbation fantasy letdowns you are all complaining about.

so while all you friends are playing games, having fun and socializing, please continue to complain about how the tangible product didn't live up to the overhyped media ASSUMED specs.I'll be enjoying myself online with all the new cool stuff that has been released this year.

good god.

Well said :)

One thing that keeps getting lost in all of this is the size of the Wii. It will be easy to put this next to all the other stuff I have set up with my TV. Lets not forget that there is no setting anything on top of a 360 and probably a PS3 d/t heat issues so space will be valuable and the Wii is a gem.

<transferring $50 from my savings to checking to hit up GameStop for a reservation tomorrow> :)

[suneohair]

Nintendo is doing fun stuff. I am concerned with the games and how much fun they look.

$249. Ok. It isnt $500 which is what the PS3 costs. And again, Nintendo has put a lot of work into this console. This is probably the most innovative thing to hit gaming since Pong. I will be buying for that reason.

DVD, come on who watches DVDs on a console? Its 2006, you can get a DVD player from Walmart for like $10.

I didnt read everything here, so if this stuff was already said so be it.

However, I think you all need to stop whining about useless features and turn your attention to what this system is doing for gaming. Look past the hype of Blu-ray, USB ports and DVD players and get back to what this thing is. A game system that will have some really fun games, with a new spin thanks to Nintendo.

[greatdevourer]

Uh...the games are priced the exact same as current GameCube games. How can you find a way to complain about that? You're making quite a leap to say that they'll be 59 pounds because Nintendo said they're going to be the same price as GameCube games in the U.S.. I'd say in the UK they'll stay the same price. With the exception of LoZ:TP, which looked like the price was ¥6800 (just shy of $60, so expect it to be $60/€70/£50) :eek:

[mouchoir]

What nintendo are offering is an innovative, alternative (and i'm still excited about it) gaming experience, for an affordable sum.

And people still love to whine. 'No USB' 'Just a souped up Game Cube' 'hasn't got this cable' 'no DVD' Ad infinitum.

Maybe it's because I'm (just) old enough to remember gaming before graphics were an issue, but it is the games I'm concentrating on. They might not look like an £80 game on a £600 machine, but you know there will be some true gaming classics on them.

[Flowbee]

I love to see how nintendo is now getting no love from MR members....LOL...back then nintendo was an unstoppable god....crash the dreams and burn em I see...

That's funny, I only see a handful of people around here really complaining. And yet I suspect they'll all own a Wii by Christmas anyway.

[MacRumorUser]

Have you seen the capabilities of this thing? Software: Go watch all the interface videos on IGN, video editing, photo editing that goes beyond iPhoto (seriously, there was some low end Photoshop-style stuff in there), etc.

No i hadnt. That's cool alrght, only downside i see, what could you do with 'video editing' when the storage medium is so limited, so well have to wait and see how 'practical' that feature actually is.


I don't think it's unreasonable. On the high end, yes, higher than I hoped for, but not unreasonable.

Err that's my point, hell you can look at the PS3 specs and say exactly the same statement really.


Furthermore, Nintendo said "under $250". You should have anticipated the possibility that meant $249. Microsoft originally said "under $300" too. I was saddened but not surprised, and very glad they included Wii Sports.

As i have pointed out. The Nintendo rep said it would come in at a price LOWER than we all expected, if we all expected 249 then that's dissapointing and what annoyed me, but it isnt enough to distract me from getting one and i never posted it would.. I really hoped for 199, but hell I just spent €2049 on a new 42" LCD so dont worry I'm still getting one :)


A DVD player costs $25. Who cares? It saves money on DVD licensing fees.

Exactly. That includes the materials, manufacture, distribution, shipping, marketing and profit...
So how much do you think movie licence fee is? Next to nothing i'm guessing.

Hence I think nintendo's reasoning for not including is a load of bull.

Uh...the games are priced the exact same as current GameCube games. How can you find a way to complain about that? You're making quite a leap to say that they'll be 59 pounds because Nintendo said they're going to be the same price as GameCube games in the U.S.. I'd say in the UK they'll stay the same price.

Actually I said they wil be £39 Pounds or €59 EURO (see the difference)
This is based on the cost being 10 dollars less than the competition, well 39/59 is 10 less than the competition.



I was disappointed when I saw the price and date too, but after going through all of IGN's vids I'm quite satisfied with the system. It's amazing

I'll be happy once more if they do release it in Europe this year, if it slips to 2007 I'll be more peeved.


This part not aimed at you Praxis.

Hey of all the things on the list that annoy me, i dont expect them to annoy everyone - but I am entitled to my opinion as are others. I dont appreciated being flamed for having an opinion. it seems a lot of people on this forum cant respect others opinions - or see things objectively or find it difficult to even see things from different sides.

[Dunepilot]

Exactly. That includes the materials, manufacture, distribution, shipping, marketing and profit...
So how much do you think movie licence fee is? Next to nothing i'm guessing.

Hence I think nintendo's reasoning for not including is a load of bull.


I agree. It seems like a very odd move, on that basis. Where people have mentioned the games being region-free, I don't think that will have anything to do with DVD movie regioning, because you can buy region-free DVDs if the companies releasing them decide not to region them. Some DVDs of music videos, for instance.

[Haoshiro]

Exactly. That includes the materials, manufacture, distribution, shipping, marketing and profit...
So how much do you think movie licence fee is? Next to nothing i'm guessing.

I'm sure there is at least some sort of fee, and even if that was $0.25 per system that would still save them millions, which is smart considering most people won't use the functionality. Besides, why put wear on the optical drive for something like movies if you can avoid it? Heck, even the original Xbox required you to get an adaptor/remote for $20US to play DVDs.

What I think bugs me is that you are mad over things everyone knew for quite some time or things based on your own assumption about their PR - which as far as I can tell has not lied.

If Nintendo had never mentioned price we all very well might have been surprised, but all the talk about it being lower then the other systems got everyone's hopes up. We made unrealistic expectations, yourself included.

Further, I expected your interest in Wii didn't have to do with price, just as mine doesn't. So I guess you could say I was disappointed to see you get "so mad" over finalling knowing a solid price and features.

Plus, you are getting mad over speculation about UK pricing! Where has that even been announced? My speculation on UK pricing is that it will retail for a bit more then the GameCube did, and that the games will be priced the same as GameCube titles... is that really worth getting mad over? I just don't get it... we are still getting everything we KNEW we were getting, just not everything we were necessarily HOPING - not Nintendo's fault.

EDIT: My guess at a UK price is 149.99

[MacRumorUser]

What I think bugs me is that you are mad over things everyone knew for quite some time or things based on your own assumption about their PR - which as far as I can tell has not lied.

Further, I expected your interest in Wii didn't have to do with price, just as mine doesn't. So I guess you could say I was disappointed to see you get "so mad" over finalling knowing a solid price and features.


Actually to be honest I think my annoyance was anger escaping from me after spending an exhausting day with a client who couldnt tell his arse from his elbow. Nintendo were just an easy target ;) :D

And your right I'm still getting a wii (heck i'd get one at $300)

But I am still dissapointed about DVD and that wont change. Even if they gave the people who want DVD playback the option of spending $5- 10 to unlock it, that would satisfy me.

[Haoshiro]

Actually to be honest I think my annoyance was anger escaping from me after spending an exhausting day with a client who couldnt tell his arse from his elbow. Nintendo were just an easy target ;) :D

And your right I'm still getting a wii (heck i'd get one at $300)

But I am still dissapointed about DVD and that wont change. Even if they gave the people who want DVD playback the option of spending $5- 10 to unlock it, that would satisfy me.

Yeah, dumb clients are the worst! heh.

As for the DVD playback, if you do some digging you should be able to find where they announced there would be an accessory (or something) released that would allow for DVD movie playback. Praxis might even know...

[Sky Blue]

An interesting peice from Joystiq:

Then: The Wii could play DVDs via an unspecified and entirely nebulous dongle. The original console description reads: "Two Disc Formats, One Slot: Instead of a tray, a single, innovative, self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. Owners will have the option of equipping a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content."
Now: Inserting a DVD into the system will likely produce a polite error message indicating a complete inability to play DVDs. Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan explains DVD playback was removed "in order to deliver the machine at a cheaper cost and because most people today already own DVD players." On the plus side, this reduces the amount of times we'll have to type a dubious word like "dongle."

Then: In January 2006, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata tells Japanese newspapers that the Wii should launch in the US by Thanksgiving. "As for North America, we need to release it by Thanksgiving, or otherwise we won't receive support from the retail industry."
Now: Launching on Nov. 19, Nintendo makes it with a few days to spare. Show some gratitude, will ya?

Then: Scott Hedrick, Executive VP of Opera for Devices, confirms that the Wii version of the browser "will not be sold as a seperate item." He also explains that software will come loaded on the system.
Now: The Opera browser is no longer built-in and no longer free -- it will be sold as a seperate item through the Wii's internet channel for an unknown number of Wii Points.

Then: At E3 2006, a whole host of new features are revealed for The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Though the Wii version boasts a different control scheme, it will be released on the same day as the Gamecube adventure.
Now: The Wii's Twilight Princess is still on track for launch, whereas the Gamecube (reminder: the platform the game was originally developed for) is forced to wait until December 11th. Sure, that makes sense. Not implementing a widescreen mode must be trickier than we were previously lead to believe.

Then: Speaking at a news conference in Osaka, a Nintendo senior managing director makes it apparent that the Wii would launch in America for no more than $250. That particular statement would go on to fuel a ludicrous amount of speculation.
Now: Well, he wasn't lying. The Wii launch price comes in at $249.99, a full cent below the upper limit of truth.

Then: In March 2006, Satoru Iwata tells CNN all about the USB ports on the Wii and how "practically any storage method can be used" in lieu of SD cards and the 512MB of internal storage.
Now: Perrin Kaplan empties her Magnum into that idea, telling Wired News' Joel Johnson that only flash storage will be supported. Iwata's suggestion becomes relegated to something Nintendo "could" explore in the future. This "future" place we keep hearing about sounds fantastic.

Then: Retro Studios assures IGN that Metroid Prime 3: Corruption will attend the inevitably debaucherous Wii launch party.
Now: A quick glance at the confirmed launch party list reveals that Metroid Prime 3 has not been invited. It's been delayed until 2007, and no amount of pleasantly worded paragraphs can hide our resulting bitterness.

[7on]

Just pre-ordered Twilight Princess for the Wii. Funny how a game I got the gamecube for in 2004 will ultimately be the reason I'm getting the Wii in 2006...

Oh Nintendo you sly dog.

[MacRumorUser]

Just pre-ordered Twilight Princess for the Wii. Funny how a game I got the gamecube for in 2004 will ultimately be the reason I'm getting the Wii in 2006...

Oh Nintendo you sly dog.

You and me in the same boat there. Pre-Ordered March 2004 :rolleyes: Now I have to cancel that pre-order and change for the wii :p

[mrgreen4242]

Actually to be honest I think my annoyance was anger escaping from me after spending an exhausting day with a client who couldnt tell his arse from his elbow. Nintendo were just an easy target ;) :D

And your right I'm still getting a wii (heck i'd get one at $300)

But I am still dissapointed about DVD and that wont change. Even if they gave the people who want DVD playback the option of spending $5- 10 to unlock it, that would satisfy me.

I would have paid the $10, too, if the player was well done (good color, black levels, etc). Reason: the Wii will go into my theatre/projector room with all the video game stuff. A bluetooth remote for the DVD player is a lot better than trying to bounce IR off the screen back to the player which is of course in the rear, by the projector.

Which brings me to my other question: how long is the sensor bar cable? Does the Wii have any sensors on it as well? Clearly the inputs for my "TV" are quite aways from the screen itself (where the sensor will have to go).

[7on]

I would have paid the $10, too, if the player was well done (good color, black levels, etc). Reason: the Wii will go into my theatre/projector room with all the video game stuff. A bluetooth remote for the DVD player is a lot better than trying to bounce IR off the screen back to the player which is of course in the rear, by the projector.

Which brings me to my other question: how long is the sensor bar cable? Does the Wii have any sensors on it as well? Clearly the inputs for my "TV" are quite aways from the screen itself (where the sensor will have to go).

I'm worried about this too. I use a projector so all my inputs have to be on the opposite side of the room. Hopefully a 3rd party will make an extension cable.

[MacRumorUser]

I'm worried about this too. I use a projector so all my inputs have to be on the opposite side of the room. Hopefully a 3rd party will make an extension cable.

Is there a limit to screen size with the sensor bar I wonder?

[mrgreen4242]

Is there a limit to screen size with the sensor bar I wonder?

Better be at least 100"... :p

[GFLPraxis]

If you haven't seen it, WATCH THIS VIDEO NOW (http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/732/732718/vids_1.html), no matter what you do.



If you have free time watch these too (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732689p1.html), but watch the first one no matter what.

[Motley]

Better be at least 100"... :p

Yeah, I couldn't imagine playing on anything so small :D

[greatdevourer]

"The Nintendo Wii will be released on December 8th--priced at £179.99 [$337] with the excellent Wii Sports game"

OMFFG! One hundred and eighty ****** quid!?!? No chance Nintendo. You've just lost a customer

[srobert]

OMFFG! One hundred and eighty ****** quid!?!? No chance Nintendo. You've just lost a customer

Hurray! One more Wii available in the supply chain! :D

[Time Clock]

Like many people, the price of the controller is ridiculous. I can't see myself spending $60 on a complete controller. It would be like Microsoft packaging the analog sticks separately and requiring you to buy them for full functionality. And why do you have to buy the classic controller to use for Brawl (if that's the current info.)?

On the subject of the price: No matter what people say, $250 is a nice chunk of change regardless of other factors such as controller price, included game, etc. A "core" system that cost only $199.99 would have been at the legendary status of "impulse buy" and I would have definately bought it. As it is, I can't justify the purchase at this time. Besides, they only have white available at launch, and I wanted green!

[mrgreen4242]

Like many people, the price of the controller is ridiculous. I can't see myself spending $60 on a complete controller. It would be like Microsoft packaging the analog sticks separately and requiring you to buy them for full functionality. And why do you have to buy the classic controller to use for Brawl (if that's the current info.)?

On the subject of the price: No matter what people say, $250 is a nice chunk of change regardless of other factors such as controller price, included game, etc. A "core" system that cost only $199.99 would have been at the legendary status of "impulse buy" and I would have definately bought it. As it is, I can't justify the purchase at this time. Besides, they only have white available at launch, and I wanted green!

Ya, $199 w/ one controller and WiiSports would have been awesome... $250 with 2 controllers and Wii Sports would have bee fine too. $310 for two controllers and Wii Sports is pushing it...

$290 for two controllers, Wii Sports and Wii Play though, if they do the same bundle and price as the have in Japan in the US, is tolerable as well.

[Dagless]

Like many people, the price of the controller is ridiculous. I can't see myself spending $60 on a complete controller. It would be like Microsoft packaging the analog sticks separately and requiring you to buy them for full functionality. And why do you have to buy the classic controller to use for Brawl (if that's the current info.)?

*sigh not again. You can use the Cube controller with Smash Bros Brawl. The Retro controller IS the Cube controller but connects to the normal wand controller.

Plus, I don't see what the ruckus is about the (full) controller. It's only £10 more than the wireless 360 controller, and it has a built in speaker and gyroscopes extra. Then again I suppose it's like the PS3. Great value, but still a high price. or it's actually the same price as a 360 controller if you shop at the wrong places.

[Time Clock]

Ya, $199 w/ one controller and WiiSports would have been awesome... $250 with 2 controllers and Wii Sports would have bee fine too. $310 for two controllers and Wii Sports is pushing it...

Wii Sports, while interesting in concept, just seems like a tech demo burned on a game disc to me. I would be just as happy to just have the Wii and a controller by itself. Meh, whatever. I'm sure that eventually there will be a $199 system. Maybe they'll even bundle extra complete controllers with the darn system someday like they did with the Double Dash bundle.

*sigh not again. You can use the Cube controller with Smash Bros Brawl. The Retro controller IS the Cube controller but connects to the normal wand controller.

Plus, I don't see what the ruckus is about the (full) controller. It's only £10 more than the wireless 360 controller, and it has a built in speaker and gyroscopes extra. Then again I suppose it's like the PS3. Great value, but still a high price. or it's actually the same price as a 360 controller if you shop at the wrong places.

Unfortunately I don't have a Cube so I don't have the luxury of extra controllers laying around. And another thing: I don't think it's right that in order to play a game, you have to buy some extra controller on top of the price that you're already paying for the game. I'm kind of annoyed by the fact that you have to pay for the controller to play the retro games as well.

I think the thing that bugs me the most about the pricing scheme of the Wii controllers is that you have to buy each piece separately, and for the price of two current-gen regular controllers as well.

As much as I love Nintendo, I smell a little bit of gouging going on.
/conspiracy theory

[bobber205]

I thought I read in EGM that you could play Brawl with the Wiimote. They weren't sure if that would be "optimal" though.

I'm just hoping Brawl is online. If it's not, that'll be a HUGE disappointment, though I'll still buy the game anyway.

[GFLPraxis]

I'm just hoping Brawl is online. If it's not, that'll be a HUGE disappointment, though I'll still buy the game anyway.

It is, this has been confirmed multiple times, in the developer's blog, in the original E3 05 announcement, etc, etc.

[Counterfit]

Unfortunately I don't have a Cube so I don't have the luxury of extra controllers laying around.
$15 for a GameShark, $20 for MadCatz wireless, $25 for Ninty wired, and $35 for a Wavebird. (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=cat08146)

[WannabeMacUser]

EDIT: I've explained my decisions further as people dont understand, also some things only affect Europe more so than US... I've bolded the bits that i feel most annoyed at.


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So we all know the crap with Sony at this stage, now following concrete specs & release info on the Wii - it's time to turn on Nintendo...

1) $249 :mad: At $249 for a slighlty beefed up gamecube I think nintendo are over stretching. But they have included wii sports, but not everyone likes their gaming choice dictated to them. I would like to have the choice of what games I want to spend my money on, not have the decision forced upon me.

They said at E3 when they announce the price it will be at a cost that would take everyone by surprise and it will make us all run out and buy a wii... $249 is not a suprise.

A 360 price cut will follow if not this holiday season, some time after making the core $250 / premium $350


2) NO DVD playback. ? WHAT !! Nintendo you really are kicking everyone in the nuts with this. They claim it would cost too much to implement it... if 5-7 year old PS2, Xbox could play DVD, I think its shameful that in 2006/7 nintendo don't even support the most popular movie format of all time...

Err you have the hardware, you have the dvd drive, you have the av output ... so what you mean is you are too tight to be bothered to licence a software decoder or make one for your os...

3) No USB ports. looks like this one was just a rumor. THANK GOD!!!

4) Browser costs $$$$ I guess I can cross this off, it wasnt till I thought about it that I realised with the Wii SD resolution, websites arent going to work that great on it anyway.... 640x480...

5) Games at $49 !!! (Which is ok for USA BUT!) not much different to 360, meaning they are probably going to be €54.99-59.99 here in Ireland. That's too much. (Gamecube games are €44.99 -49.99 here - at the current price Wii games will be more expensive here by an addtional €10)

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Please continue to add to the list of things that have really peed you off...

Yeah. I agree with you. They charge the Irish more for what should be less. Good thing I ain't a great fan of Nintendo (Except the DS or Gameboy). But I'm also not expecting spending 500-700 euro on a PS3.