My Own Personal Survey Results: No One Has a Clue About the Wii!

[Bobdude161]

I work at Best Buy in the Media department which includes video games. I talk with all my customers about what they know what is coming out in the near future. Conversation goes like this:

Customer: "Yeah I like the 360 but I'm kinda waitin on how the PS3 will do."
Me: "That's cool, have you heard of the Wii?"
Customer: "Huh?"

I explained it's Nintendo's new console and it was originally named the Revoluton just to see if anything would click, but no. Most people are either clueless about the Wii or are very skeptical. Ranging from teens to parents. Doesn't matter. I tell them of it's innovative gaming feature like motion enabled gaming but they don't seem to care. But when I mention that the Wii will allow you to play old-skool games, their eyes light up! But it really frustrates me that no one knows that the Wii will take over the world and roxorz our soxorz.

I decided to make a sheet about the two competing consoles in the most non-bias fashion and pass it out customers. My managers are fine with it, I just want yer opinion on it on how informative it is and if my information is correct. I tried to find the light in both consoles and I think it is a Fox-newsish-fair-and-balanced sheet full-o-facts.

[jdechko]

A couple of thoughts... It's a good start.. fair and balanced, accurate information as far as I can tell.

I'd remove the small Apple at the bottom of the page... it doesn't pertain to anything on the page and might mislead people by creating an artificial link that isn't there. Since it's not official BB release, you might want to remove the affiliation to BB. Rename it to "Video Game Scoop" or something

I'd also remove the "Being Shipped" section on there as most customers won't give a rat's arse about how many units will be in the supply chain. They'll just want to know whether or not they're in stock.

Add in the BC section that the Virtual console games will be downloaded in a note at the bottom (* Via Download).

Take the wikipedia link off as most people won't care to go there.

Finally, you might want to add in the X360 just for comparisons sake.

[Abulia]

"Fox" and "fair and balanced" in the same sentence?

ROTFLMAO! :D

[Bobdude161]

"Fox" and "fair and balanced" in the same sentence?

ROTFLMAO! :D

:D

I'd remove the small Apple at the bottom of the page... it doesn't pertain to anything on the page and might mislead people by creating an artificial link that isn't there. Since it's not official BB release, you might want to remove the affiliation to BB. Rename it to "Video Game Scoop" or something

I'd also remove the "Being Shipped" section on there as most customers won't give a rat's arse about how many units will be in the supply chain. They'll just want to know whether or not they're in stock.

Add in the BC section that the Virtual console games will be downloaded in a note at the bottom (* Via Download).

Take the wikipedia link off as most people won't care to go there.

Finally, you might want to add in the X360 just for comparisons sake.

Apple logo: lol, it was a subliminal message.

Best Buy logo: This is completely understandable, I will make do without

Being Shipped: True

Backwards Compat.: Yup

Wiki link: I suppose, maybe it could make it a footnote just to show where my sources are coming from

360: Maybe I can fit in there. It's gonna be a tight squeeze.

I showed my manager a rough draft that looked somewhat like this yesterday, she was impressed and gave me approval to go ahead make copies, but i like criticism and i knew I could find it here. :D

Keep em comin.

[Edot]

Remove the Apple and Best Buy logos. Apple has nothing to do with this, and you will avoid any Best Buy corporate problems by getting rid of the logo. Also if you are calling the PS3 Pro in one place and Premium in another. Keep it consistent.

[XNine]

You may also want to put the storage device readers under the PS3, like SD Cards and Mem Stick. Also, you don't know if there's going to be any launch games of any kind included with the PS3 or not, you may want to indicate this as it becomes speculative instead of a negative. Wifi for the 60 gig version. HDMI is important to those who have HDTV's.... Blueray/CD/DVD/Superbit There bit of information missing.

Not a whole lot of info missing about the Wii that I can see... Perhaps Memory NOT included? That is important to people when buying a new console.

That's the only other things I can see initially that others haven't mentioned.

[BlizzardBomb]

Not a whole lot of info missing about the Wii that I can see... Perhaps Memory NOT included? That is important to people when buying a new console.


Well the Wii does come with 512 MB which is enough for hundreds of SNES games (yes, seriously) with room left over for Wii save files. :)

[XNine]

Well the Wii does come with 512 MB which is enough for hundreds of SNES games (yes, seriously) with room left over for Wii save files. :)

Ah, well then that information should be included. I wasn't aware that it did come with 512. That's a fair amount. Thanks for the info, I really didn't know that. :)

[Dagless]

My own personal survey of my friends all want one, even the non-gamers (sister, the twins etc). EVEN my cousin wants 2 for his twin 40" HDTV's at his pub. We were discussing what new gambling/games machines to install and it just hit me, I showed him a few Wii videos and said it'd be perfect.

I don't go to pubs myself, but at the possibility to see drunk men playing Wii sports for a tournament with a cash prize - I will be there with bells on. Quite literally, if I were a Morris Dancer.

[Sdashiki]

my guess is that if BB corporate got a hold of one of those printouts, youd be in trouble. even without the logo, if you are handing these out at the store while you are working.

NOT that I care, but I read Bestbuysux.org regularly and it seems to me BB corporate is f-en crazy!

sweet idea though, but I doubt itll change anyones minds, the world is filled with fanboys.

[GFLPraxis]

My own personal survey results:

All my friends who've been informed about the system want one desperately. Even the peple that dislike (or even hate) Nintendo franchises want one. One XBox guy, for example, was hooked the moment he saw the first Red Steel trailer.

He said he doesn't care that much about the graphics.

Only one gamer out of my friends has a HDTV, and he's buying both a Wii and PS3 on launch days, though if he doesn't have the money he'll get a Wii and keep saving for a PS3.


HOWEVER; all the random people I've asked, say, in stores, had no clue what a Wii was. They all thought it was awesome when I described it, and the few people that were familiar with it thought it was going to be the greatest thing ever, but most people are totally clueless and one kid called it "too weird". Said that about the DS too.

I'm actually fine with it, as lower demand on launch day means it'll be easier for me to get a Wii without going through an XBox 360-like shortage, and once the Wii is out and people see and try it it'll take off.

[2nyRiggz]

I havent heard any talks of the Wii only on the internet. The talk around town is about the PS3/x360 battle. I was talking to my TV media teacher last week and I ask him if he wanted a new console and he was like "of course, I already got the 360 now I'm waiting on the PS3" I was like "What about the wii"...."Wii:confused: "



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[jdechko]

As far as adding the 360, you could probably get the same information + the 360 if you made it landscape layout instead of portrait.

I also agree that you need to add in the storage capacities and storage media... again, as Oni said, don't speculate on the fact that you may be able to use flash drives and/or USB HDD. For the Wii, just say 512 MB built-in, expandable with SD memory cards. PS3 Basic-20GB HD included, Premium - 60GB HD included.

[atomiton]

Can the PS3 use SD Cards? Or only Memory STicks? If so, You should say Sony(c?) MemoryStick(tm?) or something.

And if your manager approved it, keep the Best Buy Logo until someone corporate says otherwise... then remove it if they ask.

It's powerful branding.

Also, for the Wii... add No, 480p DVD-quality for Resolution. and for the PS3, 1080p HD Quality.

Your average joe doesn't want to be confused with 480p 720p 1080i, 1080p... they would prefer :
broadcast quality / DVD Quality / HD Quality.

You may want to include a disclaimer which states that actual resolution of games is determined by game-maker... or a disclaimer that says, HD TV required for this resolution.

[sikkinixx]

Can the PS3 use SD Cards? Or only Memory STicks? If so, You should say Sony(c?) MemoryStick(tm?) or something.



SD, CF and MemorySticks I believe

[Abulia]

Personally, I think the OP is off-base here.

You're pushing your desires on the customers. This isn't about them getting a Wii, its about you getting them a Wii. It's about your needs.

Let me put it another way: If a customer walks in and says they want "X" should you try to sell them "Y"? Is it your responsibility to sell the customer what they want or what you think they want/ought to have?

If people want the Wii -- or any other console -- they'll ask for it. It's Nintendo's job to market the product accordingly and build up people's desire to purchase the product, not yours.

All IMO, of course.

[j26]

...If a customer walks in and says they want "X" should you try to sell them "Y"? Is it your responsibility to sell the customer what they want or what you think they want/ought to have?...

Not necessarily - a good sales job is to present the alternatives and let the buyer make the decision. If I walk into a PC World store and ask to buy a Sony laptop, I would hope that I would be shown some of the alternatives, and given the pros and cons of each (and walk out with an Apple:) )**

People generally don't want a product, they want what it can do for them. This is particularly the case for durable goods A good salesperson will identify what they need and advise accordingly.


To the OP. Add in the 360 and change it to landscape aspect. If you can list the titles that will be available (in small print if necessary). It will have the side benefit of making it easy for you if people are asking you about games.






**Note that this will never happen in PC World as they don't like selling Macs.

[Abulia]

That's all well and good for a car or a laptop, but a gaming console?

If I walk in and ask about a PS3 then chances are I want a PS3.

Pushing your own preferences (Wii) isn't doing what's best for the customer...it's pushing your own personal preferences.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

[zap2]

Also Wi-Fi ready, I see as a more Wi-Fi can be added, when really the Wi-Fi is a standard on the Wii..or atleast the 20Gb Model should be noted that it has not Wi-FI

[apfhex]

People don't want a product, they want what it can do for them. A good salesperson will identify what they need and advise accordingly.
Most people, yeah. There are some people that already know what they want too. Don't you hate it when you want onto a car lot asking for a 4 door sedan and they try to sell you a SUV? Well, car salespeople aren't good salespeople though, so that's a bad example. ;)

I'm not trying to argue anyway, I'm just surprised there are supposed "gamers" that don't even know about Nintendo's offerings. :eek:

[j26]

Most people, yeah. There are some people that already know what they want too. Don't you hate it when you want onto a car lot asking for a 4 door sedan and they try to sell you a SUV? Well, car salespeople aren't good salespeople though, so that's a bad example. ;)

I'm not trying to argue anyway, I'm just surprised there are supposed "gamers" that don't even know about Nintendo's offerings. :eek:

I hate it when I get salespeople like that, but if I know what I want I generally just say "That's great, but what I want is...... Do you have it in stock or should I wander over to..... (insert competitor here)?" If I don't know exactly what I want I appreciate being given the alternatives, rather than someone just pushing for a quick sale.

[Dagless]

Maybe it's the UK, maybe it's just a Manchester thing but they're known as -

The Xbox
The new Playstation
Nintendo's next machine.

I was in Gamestation today (bought Kirby's Adventure and Ninja Gaiden for £5 - I'm over the ****** moon) and me and my mate Tom were joking loudly (he's an ex-Sony and now xbox fan)

Tom: I want to buy something
me: preorder a PS3
Tom: are you an idiot?

So if anyone was in Gamestation in Manchester today at about 3pm then that was us :D when I went up to buy the games the worker guy said "we've had no preorders for that yet, no enquiries". Which could just mean people are going to Game... who knows.

[XNine]

A good salesman only offers his opinion if asked or the customer is unsure. If the customer asks for something specific, the sales person is not to give their opinion.

Sales Person Skills 101, I'm afraid.

[0s and 1s]

FYI, it's TurboGrafx-16.

[toomuchstereo]

The Wii will end up being a gimmick machine with 2 or 3 good games a year.

[Dagless]

A good salesman only offers his opinion if asked or the customer is unsure. If the customer asks for something specific, the sales person is not to give their opinion.

Sales Person Skills 101, I'm afraid.

Indeed. though the situation is shoddy at my local shops. Caroline went to buy a black DS Lite and the guy said "you don't wanna buy thaaaat". oh it's frivolous.

[Bobdude161]

That's all well and good for a car or a laptop, but a gaming console?

If I walk in and ask about a PS3 then chances are I want a PS3.

Pushing your own preferences (Wii) isn't doing what's best for the customer...it's pushing your own personal preferences.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.


I'm not pushing my Wii views on anyone. :o I am giving examples of other alternatives. If someone were to say they knew about the Wii, but not the PS3 i would give them the same information and same somewhat non-bias view on it. I really, as a salesman, kinda flip-flop on my views. I go with what the customer likes. They like the PS3? So do I, but I'm also waiting for the Wii as well. They like the Wii? So do I, but the PS3 is still gonna be awesome. I can't be completely one sided on issues or I'll start to lose certain people and get on their bad sides, which ain't good for sales, which Onizuka said a while ago. I'll sell the DS if they want it but I always throw out the idea of a PSP just to make sure they know and vice versa. Don't worry I know how it all works. :D

As for the handout, I'm gonna start another draft and fix it based on yer comments. I'll prolly be done late tonight.

[plinkoman]

The Wii will end up being a gimmick machine with 2 or 3 good games a year.

way to contribute to the discussion. :rolleyes:

[Tommyg117]

Remove the apple logos. Wii will not be gone in 2 to 3 years, I bet.

[Bobdude161]

Draft el numero dos

[XNine]

Your second draft is much better. One thing I do spy though, is do you know for sure thatt you will be able to purchase either/both PS and PS2 games via download? A 4.7 GB download for a PS2 game? eh, not thinking so my friend. I could be wrong, but I haven't heard anything about this.

Also, the terms "multiplayer encouraged" under Wii sounds like it's trying to score browny points rather than give facts.

This is a comparison of FACTS. Right? Or am I just really drunk from going to the Avs game tonight (REDWINGS SUCK! haha)????

[BlizzardBomb]

If you want to be serious about handing this out, don't use two exclamation marks at the end of something. In fact, you don't need any.

[Bobdude161]

This is a comparison of FACTS. Right? Or am I just really drunk from going to the Avs game tonight (REDWINGS SUCK! haha)????

I'm guessing yer a hardcore PS3 fan?

Taken off. Can't stand the Wii having two positives like the others? But I guess yer right.

Also the info of downloading PS games was seen on some random website I found and decided to put on the sheet to see if anyone here would catch it. I'll take it off for now.

!!s have disappeared. Now that I look at that part, I seemed turn off by it. good eye

[plinkoman]

the only thing I can see is that there is no mention that the premium xbox has a wireless controller. It is implied with the wii and ps3 as you mention the bluetooth though.

also, you mention the hdmi for the ps3, but you don't mention a/v connectivity for wii or xbox.

But really, don't worry about getting something like this perfect; especially if you're asking here. we have our share of wii fanboy's, and then we have Onizuka, and if you can please all of them, you deserve some kind of award. :p

[appleguru1]

Yes... mention wireless for the 360 premium controller... Also for the 360, it's "wifi ready" too; and the usb ports aren't just for controllers, they're for the wifi adapter, iPods/other music players, and other various accesories...

[GFLPraxis]

You list PS1 and PS2 games via download...when was this announced by Sony? I recall a PS1 download service for PSP...but nothing for PS3, and certainly nothing about PS2 games.


Also, you misuse the term WiFi Ready. WiFi Ready means that it doesn't actually have WiFi but it can be readily added.

The XBox 360 is WiFi Ready. The $499 PS3 is WiFi Ready.

The Wii and $599 PS3 are WiFi Enabled.

[DougTheImpaler]

I like it, but you misspelled Turbografx16 (http://www.classicgaming.com/museum/tg16/)

If you want to be serious about handing this out, don't use two exclamation marks at the end of something. In fact, you don't need any.

I have no problem with "Available Now!!" beacause, after all, it *is* Best Buy and if you can sell something, you should.

[Dagless]

Seeing that the Wii has been constantly spoke "We want you to play together" "we we we" etc. I think that would count. How many party games have we spotted for the other 2 systems yet? Fusion Frenzy 2?

I'd say another feature would be Ease of Use, or some kind of open-ness like the DS had. I don't know how you'd phrase it though. "Including features for non-gamers"?

Perhaps you should add a controller section too? Seeing that the PS3/Xbox section had their main feature. like
Wii- Full 3D sensing freehand controller
PS3- Gyroscopic Dualshock (no rumble)
360- Enhanced wireless Xbox controller

[jdechko]

Much better 2nd draft. I would echo the same comments that have been made. Remove the exclamation marks and add a separate section for controllers. Remember to include only facts. You seek to be informative to the customers and the last thing you want to do is mislead them. Not everyone is interested in what the rumors have to say. If I've learned anything on MR it's that I've given consumers way too much credit. The average consumer is probably more educated than 10 years ago, but he's still a moron.

(and Oni, Redwings Rock :) )

[XNine]

I'm guessing yer a hardcore PS3 fan?

Taken off. Can't stand the Wii having two positives like the others? But I guess yer right.

Also the info of downloading PS games was seen on some random website I found and decided to put on the sheet to see if anyone here would catch it. I'll take it off for now.

But see, that's a biased point of view right there. In advertising, you're supposed to deliver facts, not ideology or opinions. If the Wii cannot sell itself because of A: Hardware Specs, B: Price, C: Games, then it's Nintendo's fault. All you need to do is deliver the facts to people.

And no, I'm not a hardcore PS3 fan. I do think it's going to be a badass console. But I wouldn't put on the sheet you made "Only console to have MGS4" or something to that effect. Because that would be something completely biased in the advertisement. You have to look at it objectively.

If a MS or Sony rep walked into the store, and was handed this form as it is now, Best Buy would have it's ass sued out from under it, and you and your boss would be fired. That's why I'm saying what I'm saying.

[jdechko]

If a MS or Sony rep walked into the store, and was handed this form as it is now, Best Buy would have it's ass sued out from under it, and you and your boss would be fired. That's why I'm saying what I'm saying.

I completely agree with you there, Oni. It's the reason that we suggested that you remove all affiliations with BestBuy, as it reduces liability on the store (at least in part). It's also the reason that we want you just to include facts. Another comment is that you don't actually hand them out, but rather lay them on an aisle endcap in the games section. That way, there's some deniability there... You, as a BB employee aren't actually handing anything out. "I don't know how they got here, someone must have just put them there". :)

[Gasu E.]

Personally, I think the OP is off-base here.

You're pushing your desires on the customers. This isn't about them getting a Wii, its about you getting them a Wii. It's about your needs.
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To be fair, he did say it was Fox-newsish "fair and balanced". Wasn't that supposed to mean he knew it was highly biased?

[0s and 1s]

There's still a typo on TurboGrafx-16, and you should remove the !!'s in Available Now.

[Bobdude161]

Did all changes that were mentioned. I've made the final draft and now I got to find out where the hell to post it at. The only problem that I would have is with the Micriosoft rep. Go figure. He's very picky about his 360 station and I'm sure he's the only one who would have beef with it. Our Sony and Nintendo reps haven't been around for a while. But I'm sure they'll show up soon enough.

Looking at the sheet it seems non-bais to me. I think the biggest issue is that I'm exposing the prices all together and the Wii makes the other consoles look bad because of it's lower price. Cuz alot of people who know nothing about consoles just look at price (just like in the beginning of 360 days, people justed wanted to buy the Core package even though they knew it had limited functionality). My dad looked at it cuz I wanted to get his opinion, he took a quick glance and said he'd rather just get the Wii. He just looked at the price. Not the other stunning details. it's hard to be non-bias when the price is half the others.

Maybe if I made seperate sheets for the consoles. Put the Wii fact sheet in nintendo's section and then pt ps3 in the sony section. I'm mostly making the sheet for the people that I miss during the day. I may be off in other corner of my dept and there's always a few that slip away from me. I'd just like to keep everyone informed. Everything is factual, no rumors and no exaggerations in the final. Being bias isn't gonna get me more sales, it's just gonna lose me customers. So yes I'm trying to be non-bias, even though I joke about not being.

[bobber205]

The Wii will end up being a gimmick machine with 2 or 3 good games a year.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Bobdude161]

btw I'm gonna be asking all managers (dept, sales, store) for approval including my district manager (most strict to SOP), because I'd rather have one of them fired than me. wish me luck

[Dagless]

The Wii will end up being a gimmick machine with 2 or 3 good games a year.

I know exactly what you mean, just like the horrifically undersold DS.

[Abulia]

But see, that's a biased point of view right there. In advertising, you're supposed to deliver facts, not ideology or opinions. If the Wii cannot sell itself because of A: Hardware Specs, B: Price, C: Games, then it's Nintendo's fault. All you need to do is deliver the facts to people.

And no, I'm not a hardcore PS3 fan. I do think it's going to be a badass console. But I wouldn't put on the sheet you made "Only console to have MGS4" or something to that effect. Because that would be something completely biased in the advertisement. You have to look at it objectively.

If a MS or Sony rep walked into the store, and was handed this form as it is now, Best Buy would have it's ass sued out from under it, and you and your boss would be fired. That's why I'm saying what I'm saying.
Yea! Someone besides me gets it. :D

[Abulia]

To be fair, he did say it was Fox-newsish "fair and balanced". Wasn't that supposed to mean he knew it was highly biased?
Good point! ;)

[2nyRiggz]

I know exactly what you mean, just like the horrifically undersold DS.

Exactly like the DS..full handheld gimmick machine;)


The second draft is better. The PS3 is backwards compat with PS1,PS2 games but needs an adaptor to save game files so if you can put that in there.



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[XNine]

I'm just not exactly sure what you're trying to get at here. I mean, you're trying to inform people about the Nintendo Wii, right? You think it deserves more attention from those who come through your store. And you're willing to sacrifice your job for a spreadsheet to do it?

Doesn't make sense to me.

[whooleytoo]

And no, I'm not a hardcore PS3 fan. I do think it's going to be a badass console. But I wouldn't put on the sheet you made "Only console to have MGS4" or something to that effect. Because that would be something completely biased in the advertisement. You have to look at it objectively.


Good points all - a better way of achieving the same in an objective comparison of consoles would be an "Exclusive games on this console" section for each - it is one of the key reasons why a lot of people choose their console.

[Revlimit Punk]

I'd say that making a chart is a pointless waste of energy right now.

Wait until you get your hands on all of the consoles to check what is really included in the package, what are the real backward compatibility features, how is the online gaming and its features and so on.

Right now you are just mixing facts (xbox 360) with fiction (sony and nintendo promises and marketing hype).

[Abulia]

Don't forget to put under the PS3, "It's a SUPERCOMPUTER!"

;)

[toomuchstereo]

I know exactly what you mean, just like the horrifically undersold DS.

I didn't say it wouldn't sell, but it will end up just being a big gimmick, just like the DS is.

[GFLPraxis]

I didn't say it wouldn't sell, but it will end up just being a big gimmick, just like the DS is.

My DS game library disagrees with you.

Also, while there ARE quite a few gimmick games on the DS (then there are the killer apps that are amazing), I think the big problem is that to use the DS's touch features you have to reach around and pull the stylus out, which is annoying in the middle of a game. So games have to use the touchscreen entirely, or not use it at all- those that switch between them are the gimmick games that suck. The ones that make a decision and stick to it are amazing.

With the Wii, that problem doesn't exist- just point the controller at the screen.

[Edot]

Remove the exclaimation points. Change "Premium has" to "Premium -" or some other separation character, maybe bold the word Premium and Basic as well. What does "Gamecube." mean under backwards compatibilty? It is a little unclear.

[Dagless]

My DS game library disagrees with you.

Also, while there ARE quite a few gimmick games on the DS (then there are the killer apps that are amazing), I think the big problem is that to use the DS's touch features you have to reach around and pull the stylus out, which is annoying in the middle of a game. So games have to use the touchscreen entirely, or not use it at all- those that switch between them are the gimmick games that suck. The ones that make a decision and stick to it are amazing.

With the Wii, that problem doesn't exist- just point the controller at the screen.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE LOGIC.

[plinkoman]

I didn't say it wouldn't sell, but it will end up just being a big gimmick, just like the DS is.

Do you even know what the definition of a gimmick is?

what nintendo is doing is called innovation; it is not a gimmick (by definition).

look up the definitions. a gimmick would be like the wii channels. it's nothing more than a bullet point on a list of features. it's not like anyone truly cares; you can just check the weather on your computer, tv, or god forbid, look outside. The control interface is the defining feature of the wii; it is a new method to controlling games, a textbook example of innovation.

no one's saying you have to like it, or buy it, or think the controls are cool; and yes, there are gimmicky games on the ds and inevitably on the wii too; but the DS and Wii in and of themselves are NOT gimmicks. :cool:

[Dagless]

I thought it was funny when Sony said "we're not doing gimmicks", then they showed their gyro controller and a camera game where you put a card on a table and a dragon pops out on the game.

[MacRumorUser]

I thought it was funny when Sony said "we're not doing gimmicks", then they showed their gyro controller and a camera game where you put a card on a table and a dragon pops out on the game.

Play fair now Jimmi ;)

Actually that EyeToy card game looks really innovative, as much so as anything Nintendo are doing with the wii controller.

Hell i wouldnt be surprised if Nintendo don't embrace the idea and pillage it and transmutate it into some like a Pokemon trade style game, First buy the game, camera and then charging kids £10 a small pack of top up cards bought seperatly in toy stores, which when used with the game & camera interact wit the base collection and battle them online... Could reel in an absolute fortune.... Got to collect them all....

The Gyro pad needs to be played with before casting judgment. It may make games like Warhawk & Lair a lot more immersive and a crucial part of the experience, so not a gimmik by anymeans.

Nintendo are NOT above using gimmiky devices. Look at the bongos !! Look at the Glove !! Look at Rob the robot...... Nintendo have pawned the market with as much guff as any of the others....

[2nyRiggz]

^And Microsoft is right along for the ride with the webcam, drivingwheel thingy...soon the halo guns and sword..It sells so why not do it.



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[twistedlegato]

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE LOGIC.



Life is Logic, so why not use it;)

[Dagless]

Point is - one mans gimmick is another mans innovation. It's all to do with the application of the feature. The touchscreen is useless in a lot of games but a necessity and great enhancement in others.

There are negative impacts of the innovative features of the DS though, such as the system being a handheld it becomes harder to hold and to get comfy. There is nothing like that with the Wii making it a full enhancement.

[Dagless]

I've been meaning to put this up here. I was in GAME a few days back and they had all the Wii videos playing. went back yesterday and it was still on, posters everywhere (didn't record them on the vid). Oh and the guy playing the 360 is the infamous Tom that I speak of from time to time.
http://satansam.co.uk/ftp/18-09-06_1432.3gp
we're being bombarded with the Wii!

[bobber205]

What kind of file did you link to??

[Dagless]

What kind of file did you link to??

it's a video phone file, plays in Quicktime though. probably need to download or just copy the url into Quicktime itself.

[Mavimao]

Exactly like the DS..full handheld gimmick machine;)


It may be a gimmick, but since when does a gimmick have to be negative? I've never had so much fun with a gaming console in a long time til I bought my lite.

Anyway, I've never been interested in Sony's games, so no go for me. Especially at 600 dollars.

[Mavimao]

Point is - one mans gimmick is another mans innovation. It's all to do with the application of the feature. The touchscreen is useless in a lot of games but a necessity and great enhancement in others.

OK, I really hate to go off topic (it's really annoying, I know) but I think the great thing about the touchscreen and dual screens and microphone is that it's there and it's standard on all DSes and developers have more flexibility in that regard. I don't feel that games have to necessarily ALWAYS use the touchscreen (look at mario kart), but it's great that those features exist so developers have more flexibility to create wacky interfaces with games or whatever they like.

BACK ON TOPIC: I don't see what the hustle is with Sony's gyro-controller? I think it will be interesting to see what people will do with it, and I really doubt it will rival the Wii's controller in any way (except maybe racing games).

[sikkinixx]

BACK ON TOPIC: I don't see what the hustle is with Sony's gyro-controller? I think it will be interesting to see what people will do with it, and I really doubt it will rival the Wii's controller in any way (except maybe racing games).


I think that in flying games, like Warhawk, it would be better than the Wiimote just due to its shape. Dunno just seems more natural with a controller than with a remote control

[Yvan256]

Small detail: it's spelled TurboGrafx-16, not TurboGraphix.

[MacRumorUser]

Small detail: it's spelled TurboGrafx-16, not TurboGraphix.

And if you have one, you have to BONK ! ;) :D (loved that game)

[Dagless]

I have the Amiga port of Bonk; BC Kid. Cheers Factor 5!

OH and this just in. The spirit of the Wii is true. My mum just read the Live article that describes it as "christmas number 1" and said "fun" a lot. From her only game experience being getting up to level 2 on Super Mario Bros she has just gone out and put a pre-order on the Wii. its "for the family, but you have to buy your own controllers". There we have it! The marketing and ideology has paid off. Just showed her the Mii channel on the Wii website and she laughed.

now I'm chuffed. this thing better arrive in time! ordered through play.com