Steve Jobs To Keynote Macworld San Francisco 2007 [Archive]

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Oct 3, 2006, 01:15 PM

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Coming as little surprise to veteran Apple watchers, IDG World Expo announced on Tuesday that Apple CEO Steve Jobs would deliver the opening keynote address (http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10/03/jobs/index.php) at Macworld Expo San Francisco. The expo will be held at San Francisco's Moscone Convention Center from January 8-12, 2007, with the keynote on Tuesday January 9th at 9 am Pacific at Moscone West.

Last year's keynote brought software updates including iLife (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110141828.shtml) and iWork (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142618.shtml) 06 and Mac OS X 10.4.4 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110180240.shtml). Also, the first Intel Macs were announced 6 months early in the form of the iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142730.shtml) and MacBook Pro (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142811.shtml).

While still early, this year's expectations have already begun to gain steam, with obvious expectations of iLife (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060802125923.shtml) and iWork (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060717122553.shtml) updates as well as the formal launch of the "iTV". Also possible is Apple's long-awaited phone and similarly long-awaited "true" video iPod, although both products have seen several setbacks. Lastly, with OS 10.5 Leopard's release around the corner, Jobs will undoubtedly take the opportunity to highlight some already announced (and perhaps some remaining "top-secret") features of the new operating system.

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luminosity

Oct 3, 2006, 01:17 PM

i guess the countdown starts about now :).

hard to believe its been nine months since macworld 2006.

twoodcc

Oct 3, 2006, 01:19 PM

i guess the countdown starts about now :).

hard to believe its been nine months since macworld 2006.

yes it is. looking forward to hear the keynote though. i love those things :)

i really think the iphone will be announced

skoker

Oct 3, 2006, 01:20 PM

My MR sense was tingling... Why did I click on the front page just as something was posted YET AGAIN?!? :eek:

Anyways, seriously cool. The Countdown Begins!

aricher

Oct 3, 2006, 01:20 PM

Just 97 days to go. :)

spicyapple

Oct 3, 2006, 01:20 PM

Leopard secret features are what I'll be waiting for. :)

slffl

Oct 3, 2006, 01:23 PM

I guess the 'Year of the laptop' was for that year only.

rowanhall

Oct 3, 2006, 01:23 PM

ho hum... just a quarter of a year to go... :)

Mogenshu

Oct 3, 2006, 01:23 PM

It was right after macworld (actually the same day) that i bought my 20" imac, intel version. I still love the machine to death although its time to upgrade my ram to 2gig and revel over the 24" version of my machine. I'm really hoping macworld gives at least more info on the itv with some better features and specs. I don't think it will be released there but here's to hoping.

lmalave

Oct 3, 2006, 01:31 PM

iTV is a definite. Whether or not it's available then, at the very least the final feature set will be specified. As part of that, Apple will probably announce all Macs are updated with 802.11n (already rumored to be the case for iMacs).

I would also rate the iPhone a very high probability. Apple is not stupid and they have to strike now while the iron is hot and the iPod is still at the top of its game. Music phones by SonyEricsson, LG, Samsung, Motorola, etc. may not have made a dent in iPod sales yet, but they are bound to once they improve the crappy media player software and increase capacity (and affordable 2 GB micro/mini SD flash cards are already available).

If Apple is able to deliver an iPhone by early 2007, I predict it will sweep aside all competitors (LG Chocolate, SonyEricsson Walkman phone, etc.), and also start taking large chunks of market share of "cool" fashionista-oriented phones like RAZR and Sidekick. Not because Apple is competing on features with the RAZR or Sidekick, but rather because it will become the new "cool" phone, and most people only own one phone, after all.

Donz0r

Oct 3, 2006, 01:32 PM

iTV, Leopard Details, iWork/iLife updates, Laptop updates? iPod true video? (iPhone yeah right)

That seems like a lot of stuff for just one keynote. He better release that iPod video before the holidays, Market analysts are switching from Buy to Hold because of Apples poor holiday line-up. The stock has gone down about 4% in the past 2 days! that may not concern most of you, but it concerns me damnit!

Also, i want to buy new goodies!

iTV is a definite. Whether or not it's available then, at the very least the final feature set will be specified. As part of that, Apple will probably announce all Macs are updated with 802.11n (already rumored to be the case for iMacs).

I would also rate the iPhone a very high probability. Apple is not stupid and they have to strike now while the iron is hot and the iPod is still at the top of its game. Music phones by SonyEricsson, LG, Samsung, Motorola, etc. may not have made a dent in iPod sales yet, but they are bound to once they improve the crappy media player software and increase capacity (and affordable 2 GB micro/mini SD flash cards are already available).

If Apple is able to deliver an iPhone by early 2007, I predict it will sweep aside all competitors (LG Chocolate, SonyEricsson Walkman phone, etc.), and also start taking large chunks of market share of "cool" fashionista-oriented phones like RAZR and Sidekick. Not because Apple is competing on features with the RAZR or Sidekick, but rather because it will become the new "cool" phone, and most people only own one phone, after all.

If the iPhone did as well as the RAZR, it would be amazing! I really hope that happens, but personally, i hate the RAZR, not just because Everybody and their 12 year old daughter have one, but because i just don't like the design and small outside screen, although i love the huge inside screen.
Anyway, I agree that they should release the iPhone asap to tap into the MP3 playing phone market which is HUGE right now! (RAZR with media just released, LG Chololate, seems like every phone has mp3 capabilities which everyone wants, but then they get the phone and realize the capabilities SUCK on their phone.

I'd switch to cingular just for the iPhone.

dondark

Oct 3, 2006, 01:38 PM

iPhone will come out before X'mas.

sartinsauce

Oct 3, 2006, 01:40 PM

Holy crap! I can't believe it's time for another MWSF SteveNote! It seems like the last one just happened.

So do you think we'll have until then for anything new? Before the last iPod announcement, everyone seemed to think Apple had something else up their sleeve for the holiday shopping season. Now everyone's clammed up.

It's been a big year for new products from Apple. Do you think they're done for this calendar year?

aaronsullivan

Oct 3, 2006, 01:40 PM

With Apple focusing on smaller amounts of products at a time and with all the potential announcements, I predict record numbers of disappointed rumor fed drooling frenzy folk.

I love seeing what Apple does with iLife and iWork. I passed on the iWork update last year, I wonder if ol' Steve will convince me this year. I really like iWeb in principle, but we have been juggling computers at home too much to have a good central place for all the pictures and movies... that's due to MacBook intermittent shutdowns... an entirely different issue. Still, we haven't skipped an iLife upgrade since the beginning. We probably won't this year, either.

The good news (in a way) is that there is tons of room for improvement in iPhoto and iWeb. Maybe that was the plan.

Ramble, ramble...

bdj21ya

Oct 3, 2006, 01:43 PM

but I'm always convinced by ol' Steve that I'l

Aaron was suddenly whacked by the iLife secret police for even intimating that purchasing yearly upgrades might not be worth it:D

wchong

Oct 3, 2006, 01:44 PM

i predict the release of leopard with graphic card updates in all mac products (mac pro, imac, mbp) except for the mac mini and macbook

Play Ultimate

Oct 3, 2006, 01:44 PM

iPhone will come out before X'mas.

Actually I would predict a video iPod before Xmas; with a possible announcement right around the time Zune is released.

iPhone I don't see until next year sometime.

Object-X

Oct 3, 2006, 01:48 PM

Software:

I think we'll get a software update of the iLife and iWork suites, a closer look at Leopard and it's new features, and an update to Frontrow for use with iTV. Am I the only one who thought the iTV interface looked less than polished?

Hardware:

No video iPod, but the iPhone will debut. This will be the BIG announcement. I don't think they would release a new iPod at the same time as the phone, so my money is on an iPhone.

I expext the quad core Mac Pros too. --prays-- A mid tower or mid priced configuration of the Mac Pro. By mid I mean around $1400 - $1600.

That's it! Try to keep some perspective. Everytime one of these keynotes is given the rumor mill predicts everything and the kitchen sink, but only a small number of annoucemnets are actually made. So, some standard software updates, a review of Leopard, configuration options for Mac Pros and the BIG iPhone announcement.

Mac-Addict

Oct 3, 2006, 01:53 PM

I definalty will be angry if the iPhone doesnt come out but at the same time i wouldnt be shocked.. but steve jobs giving it up? pfft no way hes still got a few years left in him :P unlike billy boy..

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 01:55 PM

Here are my predictions (hold on to your pocket-protectors):

Steve will enter the stage, the crowd will go wild, and he'll work on quieting them with lines such as, "I'd like to get started; we have a lot of great products I'd like to show you..." He'll proceed to talk about iTunes, the iPod, the iTS, so on and so forth, talk about OS X's user base, maybe touch on Leopard. He'll release TelePort (iTV), iWork & iLife as is expected, and finally, after he's done with the usual rambling about how great Apple is, he'll say "We've talked about some great products. We've talked about Mac OS X, we've talked about how to bring iTunes content into your living room... but I wanna talk about one more thing..." and dazzle us with an update to .Mac .

We'll all proceed to connect to MacRumors and complain about how ****** stupid Apple is, yet continue buy every new release of anything they've ever produced.

You know it's true. ;)

Okay, really? TelePort, iWork, iLife, and either the true Video iPod or the PhonePod but not both. If they haven't been updated before the x-mas buying season, MPBs.

-Clive

[Edit:] Fixed spelling and grammar errors. Made myself look good. No content was changed.

ZildjianKX

Oct 3, 2006, 02:04 PM

God, I hope the Macbook Pros get updated before Macworld, but honestly Macworld is only 90 days away...

quigleybc

Oct 3, 2006, 02:07 PM

Here are my predictions (hold on to your pocket-protectors):

Steve will enter the stage, the crowd will go wild, and he'll work on quieting them with lines such as, "I'd like to get started; we have a lot of great products I'd like to show you..."

We'll all proceed to connect to MacRumors and complain about how ****** stupid Apple is, yet continue buy every new release of anything they've ever produced.

Ya, that might happen, but last year he brought out the MBP which a pretty big announcement, so I'm hoping for good results again this year.

Like maybe a 12" MPB ? or a normal priced Black MacBook...

NewSc2

Oct 3, 2006, 02:08 PM

ct-scan

Oct 3, 2006, 02:09 PM

iPhone will come out before X'mas.

Xmas 2007 maybe :rolleyes:

Kenya

Oct 3, 2006, 02:10 PM

There should have been an option for MacBook Pro chip/case/features update. I would have voted for that one.

steve_hill4

Oct 3, 2006, 02:14 PM

I think Macbook Pros will be updated at MWSF. Also, doubt the true video iPod will be out by then... all the designs being thrown around look too high-tech for now, and issues with scratches on the touch screen will have to be taken care of as well. I'd say more like Holiday 2007 for that~
If it takes that long before C2D finds its way into the MBP, I think Apple will be laughed at by a lot of the other manufacturers who have already announced models due before the holiday season.

aly

Oct 3, 2006, 02:17 PM

If it takes that long before C2D finds its way into the MBP, I think Apple will be laughed at by a lot of the other manufacturers who have already announced models due before the holiday season.

I agree, theres no way that apple will wait that long for an update! Would just be utterly stupid.

macman2790

Oct 3, 2006, 02:18 PM

If it takes that long before C2D finds its way into the MBP, I think Apple will be laughed at by a lot of the other manufacturers who have already announced models due before the holiday season.
They might get laughed at but apple will be the ones laughing when their the first to debut santa rosa with 800mhz fsb and nand flash. Hopefully this is whats going to happen

p0intblank

Oct 3, 2006, 02:18 PM

A confirmation is always nice. :)

How on earth is this being voted as Negative? Also what's up with the last option in the poll? That depresses me! :(

FleurDuMal

Oct 3, 2006, 02:21 PM

A confirmation is always nice. :)

How on earth is this being voted as Negative? Also what's up with the last option in the poll? That depresses me! :(

I guess there are some pillocks out there who are voting negative on every news item simply because none of them say "MEROM MBPS OUT TOMORROW" :rolleyes:

scott523

Oct 3, 2006, 02:25 PM

extraextra

Oct 3, 2006, 02:29 PM

Like maybe a 12" MPB ?

I'm crossing my fingers.

timmillwood

Oct 3, 2006, 02:30 PM

lets hope we get new MBPs before Macworld in Jan!

in Jan i hope to get iTV, iLife '07, Leopard and maybe an iPhone

I would like to see iTV a cross between Tivo and Front Row

There is not much i would like to see added to iLife but i bet Steve will make my buy it

Thomas2006

Oct 3, 2006, 02:32 PM

peharri

Oct 3, 2006, 02:33 PM

iTV has already been announced, of course they'll demo it.
Video iPod... possible. I think "true video iPod" is a misnomer, there already are video iPods, it just might get better over time.
No Apple Phone, for obvious reasons. The Apple Phone will only appear if they can't persuade the rest of the market to license iTunes, or if they're totally, completely, and utterly stupid.
iLife/iWork - well, of course!
More Leopard Features - ditto.
More Movie Studios - hard to believe that wouldn't be the case.
Steve Jobs retiring - possible, but why would it be announced at this MacWorld as opposed to any other time?

Kenya

Oct 3, 2006, 02:34 PM

They might get laughed at but apple will be the ones laughing when their the first to debut santa rosa with 800mhz fsb and nand flash. Hopefully this is whats going to happen

This is my prediction as well. We'll see!

Belly-laughs

Oct 3, 2006, 02:35 PM

I´m guessing we´ll see iTV coupled with iPod Hi-Fi wireless + iPod Hi-Fi mini satellites.

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 02:36 PM

The Intel powered Macs and iLife got the lion's share of the MWSF2006 keynote and iWork only got a few slides showing improvements to Keynote and Pages got so I am hoping iWork (new spreadsheet app and a very improved Pages) gets some good airtime at MWSF2007.

Right! We've all but forgotten about "Numbers" or whatever they're calling it. "Sheets?" I've forgotten what the latest name is.

-Clive

vendettabass

Oct 3, 2006, 02:37 PM

ipod hifi wireless you say :|.. that'd be cool, add a laptop battery to it too (rechargable) and it'd be a buy :-D

macman2790

Oct 3, 2006, 02:37 PM

This is my prediction as well. We'll see!
i've been pessimistic about the mbp update for a while now considering how long it would take for santa rosa if they released a new one now.

BornAgainMac

Oct 3, 2006, 02:38 PM

I want Bill Gates to have a keynote that has a timeline of all the Pocket PC Phones releases they had in the last 5 years. Then Bill Gates will say "So you know what we have been doing for the last 5 years. Lets see what some of our competitors have been doing with phones in that time."

Apple, please come out with the damn phone!

Steve Jobs retiring

Steve Jobs says "iRetire" and walks off. I just don't see him retiring anytime soon.

Multimedia

Oct 3, 2006, 02:44 PM

Just 97 days to go. :)No surprise to me. 8-Core Dual Clovertown Mac Pro will be announced in this presentation too. ;)

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 02:44 PM

Steve Jobs says "iRetire" and walks off.

hahahahahahahahah!

That's classic!

-Clive

Play Ultimate

Oct 3, 2006, 02:46 PM

This is a little disappointing that Steve is confirming to keynote MWSF 2007 when it's just October, which means he probably wants us to wait (I hope not). :(

Besides, hasn't Steve keynoted MWSF every year?

MWSF needs confirmation for thier marketing materials.
I still believe that there will be some type of announcement, on something, before Thanksgiving.

Squonk

Oct 3, 2006, 02:48 PM

Software:
Am I the only one who thought the iTV interface looked less than polished?

My guess is that they are holding thier cards close on all things related to the iTV. :)

extraextra

Oct 3, 2006, 02:48 PM

Macnoviz

Oct 3, 2006, 02:48 PM

In other news, the pope today announced that he is Catholic. He also confesses to **** in the woods.

No really, I expect quite a number of those things, but then at the end one more thing that nobody expects, not a phone, not another iPod, but something radically different. Just like the games at the last Stevenote, only bigger, something that will make you go Huh? :eek: Wtf ? :confused: Wow ! :) Now where's that credit card? :D

evilgEEk

Oct 3, 2006, 02:49 PM

I still believe that there will be some type of announcement, on something, before Thanksgiving.
I agree. One last big announcement before the Holiday Season.

I'm really excited about the iTV. That and Leopard is what I'll be eager to hear about.

Squonk

Oct 3, 2006, 02:55 PM

I still believe that there will be some type of announcement, on something, before Thanksgiving.

Yup - I hear you. Apple going three months, in the wind-up to holiday shopping without any more "press", I don't think so. I wish it were the iPhone, but I concurr with the rest that this is unlikely. MBPs then?

Rocketman

Oct 3, 2006, 02:58 PM

Just my opinion which has proven shockingly accurate this year.

MacBook Pro
I expect it to be updated within a month with a silent update when inventories of Yonah MacBook Pros are moderated. It wil have 802.11n installed but will not be supported until Airport super extreme or whatever is formally updated in November. Or perhaps on OSX 10.5 software update in 1-07.

MacBook
I expect it to stay Yonah until 1-07 when Steve wil show it as "one more thing". This is an Apple profit center and the market share leader. Maybe even colors at an upprice.

Mac-Mini 1-07 update to Merom and the declaration by Steve Jobs of 100% 64 bit accross the product line, a truly great achievement which will give him a legacy.

This will be the last "really impressive" processor upgrade for 2+ years into the future. Remaining improvements will be in features, communications, integration, sooftware, etc. The processor will become a gently updated commodity. This will be the first time ever, regular people will stop waiting for their computer to work, even when using multiple applications.

OSX wil be updaed to 10.5 of course as this is the central theme of 1-07. Related to this we will see updates of iApps to take advantage of new features and increased integration.

iPhone will be announced. Candy Bar format. Cingular as carrier with one of those rebranding agreements. Possibly even before Christmas.

There will be a separate media event for iTV and the iPod allscreen. That unit will be the center of a human's universe, Steve's dream of his lifetime. Phone/broadband, iPod, PDA, remote, OSX lite, everything except wiping your butt. Third parties will release that feature as a dongle. You will think you are Picard on ST-TNG.

Mac Pro 8-way. Dual Clovertown C2Q. Released.

X-serve 8-way. Dual Clovertown. Announced. The supercomputer reinvented.

802.11n networking. Surprise. Has been shipping since iMac Merom C2D.

Rocketman

lmalave

Oct 3, 2006, 03:09 PM

iPhone will come out before X'mas.

If they do that I will be flabbergasted. It definitely would be months ahead of any analyst expectations. The time is right though: Cingular is already rolling out 3.5G high-speed mobile services, and currently they only have one phone available for that service (the LG CU500). I apple pulls a surprise like that, it will be the biggest Apple surprise and biggest Apple product launch ever, far eclipsing both the iMac launch (which had eye-popping design but was launched at a time when Apple was an afterthought in the tech world), and the iPod launch (which launched to a big collective "meh" almost universally).

lmalave

Oct 3, 2006, 03:19 PM

prady16

Oct 3, 2006, 03:21 PM

I seriously believe that we will see a Steve Keynote before the MacWorld.
I am sure this will be just before the holiday season to announce Apple's holiday lineup.

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 03:24 PM

This will be the last "really impressive" processor upgrade for 2+ years into the future. Remaining improvements will be in features, communications, integration, sooftware, etc.

I disagree. While the "MHz War" is likely drawing to a close, the "Multicore War" is just starting. Within the next 2 years, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that we'll be seeing single CPUs with 4 cores (for sure), 8 cores, and the beginning rumblings of 16 core CPUs. If you ask me, the past 4 years have yeilded very little progress in terms of CPU speed. A 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 is comparable to a 2.0 GHz Yonah... and now that we've ventured into Multicore Land, I guarantee that there will be huge processor speed increases.

OSX wil be updaed to 10.5 of course as this is the central theme of 1-07. Related to this we will see updates of iApps to take advantage of new features and increased integration.

I don't think Leopard will be out yet. I don't have any reason to back that up, I just don't think that Apple is in a huge rush to get it out. I'm pretty sure they'll want to polish it down to the last detail in lieu of Vista coming out. The better Leopard looks when compared to Vista, the more praise Apple will get for it. You have no idea how many people I've talked to are planning on waiting 6-12 months after its release before buying Vista. Those months are Apple's big chance to convert a lot of PC users while they bask in the sunlight of a job well done. They're not going to release a rush-job.

-Clive

Mac Fly (film)

Oct 3, 2006, 03:24 PM

Yes, the iPhone is long coming, but the VPod is not.

mdntcallr

Oct 3, 2006, 03:26 PM

lets hope for a great keynote:

1- new Mac without display, performance would be better than imac, and not as much $$ as mac pro. basically a mid sized tower good enough for mid level use on graphics, games and much more. something upgradable by the end user.
2- media center to complement the Itv
3- new OS X 10.5 (this is a big deal)
4- adobe news of release
5- new HDTV initiative macs with Blu-Ray available as option. to work with current HD video editing software.

Would like before then:
1- would love a new Macbook Pro. with blu-ray drive, better hard drive( upto 160 gb or maybe 200 gb by then) with core 2 duo.

2- also, love by then the new quad CPU mac pro. maybe only on highest end model.

3- apple to have discovered a way for less expensive ram to be used in the Mac Pro. it's DAMN expensive compared to the rest of whats out there

lmalave

Oct 3, 2006, 03:31 PM

This is a little disappointing that Steve is confirming to keynote MWSF 2007 when it's just October, which means he probably wants us to wait (I hope not). :(

Besides, hasn't Steve keynoted MWSF every year?

Apple has already gone on record as saying that they are moving away from tying product releases to MWSF. I think updates to products before MWSF could happen only if Apple thinks that it'll help them sell more product overall. For example, Apple is *not* going to release the iPhone before 2007, because they want consumers to buy the new iPod nanos for this Christmas *and* buy a new iPhone next year. That way they dip into your wallet twice within a year.

I think that for Macs, though, they could upgrade to Core 2 Duo for all macs (except maybe the MacBook and Mac mini initially). As part of that upgrade, I predict they will also update to 802.11n across the whole line, in preparation for the iTV launch. If they wanted to be really jerky, they could launch Core 2 Duo sometime soon (November the latest), and then early next year upgrade to 802.11n (providing a dongle for older laptops). I think iTV is too important, though, to play games like that, so I think that Apple will integrate 802.11n into its Macs as quickly as is practical...

lmalave

Oct 3, 2006, 03:43 PM

I´m guessing we´ll see iTV coupled with iPod Hi-Fi wireless + iPod Hi-Fi mini satellites.

Hmm...interesting. Adding wireless capability directly to the iPod would make it more similar to the Zune. I wonder if they could add Bonjour technology to really go head-to-head. Except instead of the stupid (play 3 times) thing that the Zune has, you could actually browse and play shared playlists from other people's iPods (work exactly the same as shared playlists from iTunes now do...).

steve_hill4

Oct 3, 2006, 03:53 PM

They might get laughed at but apple will be the ones laughing when their the first to debut santa rosa with 800mhz fsb and nand flash. Hopefully this is whats going to happen
I hope that does happen, but I also hope for a revision before that.

Would love to see a revision of the iMacs around the time of MWSF to the above too, pre-installed with Leopard. I'd be all over that around March time.

STLSigns

Oct 3, 2006, 04:02 PM

Just 97 days to go. :)

That could be a fun Widget, can I get one of those please.

mr.steevo

Oct 3, 2006, 04:08 PM

Hi,

Your Widget.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/status/macworldexpo2007countdown.html

s.

dernhelm

Oct 3, 2006, 04:09 PM

Well this does seem to indicate that despite all the reports of SJ's declining health, they expect him to survive at least until Jan 2007...
;)

bazzalisk

Oct 3, 2006, 04:17 PM

Merrom MBP ;p

peharri

Oct 3, 2006, 04:18 PM

...I'd like The Steve to walk on stage and announce that they absolutely will not release certain products, so the ones that keep coming up as rumours over and over again that stand no chance of ever seeing the light of day (Apple phone, I'm looking at you) stop getting taken seriously, and the rumour sites that have promoted the idea finally get egg on their faces.

That's the thing at the moment. Specific rumours along the lines of "iPod 100G at WWDC!" are easily verifiable and rumour sites that make crap up will get taken to task for it. But pretty much anyone can make up vague rumours about non-existant products as long as they avoid giving a precise timeline for it.

And some of those products are compelling, as the five year old iPhone rumour (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2001/04/20010415210047.shtml) demonstrates.

This article (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/08/20020818203655.shtml) is even better. It's a mere four years old, but the wording is such that if there was a glitch in MacRumor's software, and the article reappeared as if it was posted today, it would look completely at home, right down to the "OMG! Latest version of Mac OS X has hidden phone related strings!"

SiliconAddict

Oct 3, 2006, 04:27 PM

All I can say is whatever "top secret" features Leopard has better blow me out of my socks, threw the wall, and across my yard. As it stands. Meh.

iTV will be mine though as long as I can hook up an external HD to it to store video. If not. Pass.

quigleybc

Oct 3, 2006, 04:36 PM

That unit will be the center of a human's universe, Steve's dream of his lifetime. Phone/broadband, iPod, PDA, remote, OSX lite, everything except wiping your butt.

Ok then I don't want it, no butt wipe no buy buy. :p

BRLawyer

Oct 3, 2006, 04:36 PM

One and ONLY release at MW 2007: iTV. Oh yeah, and the retirement annoucement by SJ: iGiveup.

dr_lha

Oct 3, 2006, 04:41 PM

I seriously believe that we will see a Steve Keynote before the MacWorld.
I am sure this will be just before the holiday season to announce Apple's holiday lineup.
Holiday lineup is already in place, it was the day the announced the drop 2G Nano and 5.5G iPod. What more are you expecting? We'll probably get a MacBook Pro refresh but that is hardly a "big holiday season" announcement.

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 04:42 PM

Merrom MBP ;p

Man... the Merom MBP has become the new PowerBook G5

-Clive

bjdku

Oct 3, 2006, 04:45 PM

iPhone will come out before X'mas.

I agree. Seems like it is all set. The iPhone will be the Christmas frenzy hopeful from Apple (and Cingular hahahahahahahahaha!!!)

clintob

Oct 3, 2006, 04:45 PM

At the risk of having a Captain Obvious moment here, I think it's safe to say that the "we want Merom" posts are getting a tad old at best. That horse has been beaten far beyond anything resembling a humane death.

The fact is that while there are a select few of us (don't kid yourselves, the people who post on this forum represent a tiny fraction of Apple's customer base, albeit a loud fraction) that know the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, the VAST majority of users and customers neither know nor care. And to be perfectly honest, the speed difference in 99% of the things people use their computers for are unnoticeable. Try it for yourself. Web pages load at the same speed, email is sent at the same speed, and IM's come and go with the same frequency.

The truth is, Apple doesn't really care all that much about who is or isn't shipping C2D. They know that once they come out with the next big thing, all us Photoshop users and media producers will skamper to the website and order ours just as we would have if it came out a month ago. They have stock of MB and MBP to clear out, and there's no reason for them to rush into selling a processor that most people don't even know much about when their sales are still high. Their business is great, and more importantly, their big push right now is obviously iPods for the holiday season. This is a much more popular gift item, and the holiday shopping season is barely gearing up.

C2D (or whatever is next) will come when Apple sees novelty sales for the iPod starting to die down. Not before.

Rocketman

Oct 3, 2006, 04:46 PM

...I'd like The Steve to walk on stage and announce that they absolutely will not release certain products,

That is a really good idea.

He would have to come up with language that does not confirm or deny, but still states "not this quarter".

I believe it would increase sales on the margin for peple waiting for the next great thing to come out ala Merom MBP, despite the fact that the only benefit to Merom over Yonah is 64 bit.

He should UPOD and SAY this was the greatest processor improvement in a decade and additional improvements will be incremental for a couple years.

Even if we later learn those increments are doublings of processor counts. Besides that ONLY benefits threaded applications, not "traditional applications" which have seen a plateau for the forseeable future.

At some point the consumer experience is not appreciably improved by processor improvements. Except for media processing intensive applicatons, we are there.

That alone ia an amazing statement for the Apple platform.

Can any other platform say that or even promise that any time within 2 years?

Rocketman

dr_lha

Oct 3, 2006, 04:49 PM

lets hope for a great keynote:

1- new Mac without display, performance would be better than imac, and not as much $$ as mac pro. basically a mid sized tower good enough for mid level use on graphics, games and much more. something upgradable by the end user.

Not going to happen. You realise that Apple doesn't give a crap about the 100 nerds out there that want to be able to upgrade their graphics cards?

They know that people who buy computers, tend to simply buy a new one rather than "upgrade parts". The only people who upgrade parts of their computers are gamers, and they aren't a serious market segment Apple will go for with a mid range tower.

Its a small market segment that will cannibalise both iMac and Mac Pro sales if introduced. Anyone who wants a headless Mac out there is nicely covered by the Mac Mini. I know its not the computer "for you", but you have to realise that "you" are not the mass market that Apple is going for.

bjdku

Oct 3, 2006, 04:50 PM

Rocketman

Oct 3, 2006, 04:54 PM

the VAST majority of users and customers neither know nor care. And to be perfectly honest, the speed difference in 99% of the things people use their computers for are unnoticeable.

Their business is great, and more importantly, their big push right now is obviously iPods for the holiday season. This is a much more popular gift item, and the holiday shopping season is barely gearing up.

I agree.

Also they are having a real problem keeping up with MacBook sales, even with Yonah (C1D) and THAT is their current manufacturing focus. For a change, it is NOT caused by chip shortages either! It is a manufacturing shortage. That is a great problem to have!!

Rocketman

budugu

Oct 3, 2006, 05:00 PM

I am just interested in a black Macbook pro with the new Core 2 Duo w/800 FSB ... in either 15" or 17" ... if they can come up with a better video ipod may be.

mr.steevo

Oct 3, 2006, 05:15 PM

Not going to happen. You realise that Apple doesn't give a crap about the 100 nerds out there that want to be able to upgrade their graphics cards?

hi,

The people I have spoken to who use PC's are not nerds or power users, however, they do have monitors that work perfectly fine and want to use them. Why would someone purchase a 20" iMac when they already have sitting on their desk a 12 month old 19" LCD? They may not all need expandability (or really understand what that means) but they are of the mind set that they must have the option. These people are simply not considering Apple computers because of the lack of an upgradeable computer that is under $1500 (the mini is not easily upgradeable unless you happen to be one of those nerds you are refering to). The gap between the mini and the Mac Pro is enormous in both power and price yet there is nothing in the middle price/power range. Simply dismissing this catagory of people will not convince them to buy an iMac. Further, saying the operating system will convince them to switch is a moot point if they never buy the computer in the first place.

My friends, family, and co-workers are all interested in this "OS X thing" but get turned off at the price of the Pro, the lack of power of the mini, and the all in one of the iMac. This is what I am seeing, and Apple is losing sales because of it.
s.

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 05:20 PM

The fact is that while there are a select few of us (don't kid yourselves, the people who post on this forum represent a tiny fraction of Apple's customer base, albeit a loud fraction) that know the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, the VAST majority of users and customers neither know nor care. And to be perfectly honest, the speed difference in 99% of the things people use their computers for are unnoticeable. Try it for yourself. Web pages load at the same speed, email is sent at the same speed, and IM's come and go with the same frequency.

While I agree with some parts of your statement, I disagree with this paragraph.

The MBP is a Pro machine. I'd be willing to be that most of Apple's pro user-base does know the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo.

As for your comment about speed of a basic user's appications - Safari, AIM, Word, Solitaire - you're right. But you're assuming a basic user would buy an MBP. A Pro user would presumably use these things along with others, like Logic Audio, Final Cut, etc.

And as a minor technicality, sending IMs and loading web pages depend on the speed of your internet connection, not your processor.

I predict MBPs will be out sooner than you might think, otherwise Apple risks being scoffed at by the technology community, all of which are releasing C2D computers, whether their users know/don't know or need/don't need it. Apple doesn't play psychological games like that with their users.

-Clive

Belly-laughs

Oct 3, 2006, 05:26 PM

Hmm...interesting. Adding wireless capability directly to the iPod would make it more similar to the Zune. I wonder if they could add Bonjour technology to really go head-to-head. Except instead of the stupid (play 3 times) thing that the Zune has, you could actually browse and play shared playlists from other people's iPods (work exactly the same as shared playlists from iTunes now do...).

I believe the scope of a wireless iPod, or any other mass distributed wireless product, will go further than music and playlists. It´s already implemented in museums, etc. as downloadable tour guides; when you enter a town you can get your hands on local maps, local news, history; we might soon see ad boards that will allow you to download more info on products and services – there are endless possibilities.

Closer to the living room I feel iTV needs wireless communication with other Apple products; the iPod or iPhone to control it, even provide media; iPod Hi-Fi to deliver the groove.

Cinch

Oct 3, 2006, 05:34 PM

I believe the scope of a wireless iPod, or any other mass distributed wireless product, will go further than music and playlists. It´s already implemented in museums, etc. as downloadable tour guides; when you enter a town you can get your hands on local maps, local news, history; we might soon see ad boards that will allow you to download more info on products and services – there are endless possibilities.

Your idea sounds a lot like Bill Gate's smart fridge telling the us that our milk is going bad and that we should buy a new carton the next time we are at the supermarket.:D :D

Cinch

iNoles

Oct 3, 2006, 05:40 PM

Wow, its in same day of my birthday which is January 9.

If they had iPhone in T-mobile service, thats would be awesome.

pink-pony115

Oct 3, 2006, 05:53 PM

I wouldn't care to see more of iTv...but my cards are rested in Steve going in dept of the iTv :o

I don't care about the iPhone or the "true" video ipod...they are just some old rumors.

....crafty though

Clive At Five

Oct 3, 2006, 05:57 PM

Not going to happen. You realise that Apple doesn't give a crap about the 100 nerds out there that want to be able to upgrade their graphics cards? [...]

Your arguments contradict each other, specifically this sentence:

Its a small market segment that will cannibalise both iMac and Mac Pro sales if introduced.

If it's a small market segment then "cannibalize" is completely the wrong term to use. More like "nibble into." That's besides the point, because I completely diasgree with your first premise (that it's a small market segment). I think it's a HUGE market segment. I agree with you that it won't happen, though. Why, you might ask?

Read on...

The people I have spoken to who use PC's are not nerds or power users, however, they do have monitors that work perfectly fine and want to use them.

Unfortunately this is EXACTLY why Apple ISN'T producing a headless mid-range Mac. They will lose out tremendously on display sales. They either want to sell you a display within the unit (iMac, MacBooks) or sell you a display with the unit (Mini, Pro). Mini users will buy one because A. they're in the store and B. don't know any better. Pro users will buy one because they are top-of-the line, beautiful screens and they, generally, have money to burn. Mid-range users (and prosumers) know well enough that they can get a cheap, good-enough monitor for $200 from NewEgg or eBay (for the daring). Instead, we prosumers either have to settle for the iMac or splurge on the Mac Pro.

Apple is losing sales because of it.

Just the opposite, my friend, just the opposite. Sometimes by blocking out a certain range of products, a company can make more money.

-Clive

Neodym

Oct 3, 2006, 06:01 PM

This will be the first time ever, regular people will stop waiting for their computer to work, even when using multiple applications.

Umm - sorry to destroy your illusion here, but Amiga made that possible already in 1985! This was thanks to true preemptive multitasking (while Classic MacOS sported cooperative multitasking only, up to OS9). No matter how big the workload and with several applications open at the same time an Amiga would react instantly to any user action!

Even today a 50MHz Amiga with 128Mb of Ram often feels a lot more responsive than a 2.000+MHz beast with 1GB of Ram in a "modern" computer. Granted - todays GUIs are more complex as well, but still...

So with the new era of multi-core machines the "rest of the (home)computerworld" will finally have come on par with what Amiga could offer more than 20 years ago already!

Regards
Neodym

g7by08believeit

Oct 3, 2006, 06:02 PM

apple phone - no
Motorola already has iTunes on the SLVR (only 100 songs, but with a removeable mini sandisk chip you can switch anytime you like!)
I'm betting that motorola was smart enough to hold the market for iTunes on phones for at least a year.

MBP - updated either before holidays or nothing until santa rosa

iWork/iLife, of course.

OS X 10.5- hopefully, but i would'nt be surprised/dissapointed if not

iRetire - no

iTV - yep
i believe this will be the big announcement - but i believe as far as hardware releases go, not a lot... this will be mainly for software updates/releases.

ipod touchscreen - doubtful

Buschmaster

Oct 3, 2006, 06:07 PM

Steve Jobs.... retiring?:eek:

I would honestly cry. And that makes me sound pathetic.

iJawn108

Oct 3, 2006, 06:20 PM

Steve Jobs.... retiring?:eek:

I would honestly cry. And that makes me sound pathetic.
I don't think that will happen yet... but it sometime in the near future. :(

Stridder44

Oct 3, 2006, 06:28 PM

God, I hope the Macbook Pros get updated before Macworld, but honestly Macworld is only 90 days away...

I will drink to that!

Neodym

Oct 3, 2006, 06:28 PM

Unfortunately this is EXACTLY why Apple ISN'T producing a headless mid-range Mac. They will lose out tremendously on display sales. They either want to sell you a display within the unit (iMac, MacBooks) or sell you a display with the unit (Mini, Pro). Mini users will buy one because A. they're in the store and B. don't know any better. Pro users will buy one because they are top-of-the line, beautiful screens and they, generally, have money to burn. Mid-range users (and prosumers) know well enough that they can get a cheap, good-enough monitor for $200 from NewEgg or eBay (for the daring). Instead, we prosumers either have to settle for the iMac or splurge on the Mac Pro.

Mmmh - i see it a little different:

Why shouldn't the so-called "prosumers" be interested in beautiful and top-of-the-line monitors as well as the "pros"? Even worse - the target clientel for a Pro computer often earn their living on those machines and they might need raw power, but not necessarily a "beautiful" screen - especially if the old one would still do its work.

Thus i would suspect prosumers to be more willing to "burn some money" for a nice Apple screen just because it fits their lifestyle, than someone who has to invest to earn money on it. And don't forget how Apple introduced the mini - it was targetted at users who ALREADY OWN a monitor (and keyboard and mouse).

So one of the main target groups for Apple monitors would be exactly the clientel which currently is not able to find something proper: A more powerful computer than the mini, but less pricey than a Mac Pro.

Therefore the gap between a mini and a Mac Pro is a little big indeed! Not only because of the initial purchase cost, but also because of the cost following when you have to buy "pro" equipment (like e.g. memory) at "pro" prices as well...!

The iMac aims at a completely different audience here and is a good complement, but never a replacement for a mid-class machine.

If Apple wants to continue to grow they HAVE to differentiate their lineup a little more! Personally i would not mind if they would do it in the stylish area and bring up some acrylic beauty again or even introduce some really new (or at least different) ideas. But it is not that important as long as the they eventually close that huge gap!

Regards
Neodym

artifex

Oct 3, 2006, 06:32 PM

I'll be the iPhone also has the ability to act as a FrontRow/iTV remote.

That really would be the complete experience. Well, that, and also roll out something like the ancient X10 interface, so you can turn your house lights off and on. OMG, imagine being able to use voice control. And a little iPhone acting as a local mic when at home!

iMikeT

Oct 3, 2006, 06:44 PM

Jobs to keynote MacWorld, that's new to me.:D

EricNau

Oct 3, 2006, 06:46 PM

I'm expecting more Leopard features, more movie studios for iTunes, iLife '07, iWork '07, the release of "iTV," and perhaps Core 2 Duo in the MacBook Pros, (if not sooner); I believe the MacBooks will keep Core Duo.

I seriously doubt we'll see the iPhone or "True" Video iPod.

NewSc2

Oct 3, 2006, 07:08 PM

hi,

The people I have spoken to who use PC's are not nerds or power users, however, they do have monitors that work perfectly fine and want to use them. Why would someone purchase a 20" iMac when they already have sitting on their desk a 12 month old 19" LCD? They may not all need expandability (or really understand what that means) but they are of the mind set that they must have the option. These people are simply not considering Apple computers because of the lack of an upgradeable computer that is under $1500 (the mini is not easily upgradeable unless you happen to be one of those nerds you are refering to). The gap between the mini and the Mac Pro is enormous in both power and price yet there is nothing in the middle price/power range. Simply dismissing this catagory of people will not convince them to buy an iMac. Further, saying the operating system will convince them to switch is a moot point if they never buy the computer in the first place.

My friends, family, and co-workers are all interested in this "OS X thing" but get turned off at the price of the Pro, the lack of power of the mini, and the all in one of the iMac. This is what I am seeing, and Apple is losing sales because of it.
s.

The Mini is pretty powerful. Sorry to discount your argument, but I think that it's more than enough for people out there that aren't power users/computer nerds. Heck, my dad runs engineering software all day long on his Pentium 3 733mhz, 256MB RAM computer and doesn't feel the need to upgrade.

It being in a small case is even better for the common user. Maybe to us, a small case seems like a bad computer, but the specs are similar to MacBook specs, which seems like enough for almost all users out there.

holycat

Oct 3, 2006, 07:12 PM

I expect is a series of product that interrelated in their functions.

first for sure iTV

then wireless 3.5 inch iPod video that can linked to iTV (might be earlier even b4 Christmas)

iPhone that will bring us some special functions

MBP nano....

hehehe..

sunfast

Oct 3, 2006, 07:15 PM

And for me it comes full circle....

I couldn't believe it today when I checked my profile that I've been a member here for nearly a year. But it makes sense - Jobsie keynoting MWSF 2006 was front page news when I joined.

Here's to another great MacWorld :)

Philberttheduck

Oct 3, 2006, 07:19 PM

I expect the iPhone and Full screen iPod before Christmas.

Belly-laughs

Oct 3, 2006, 07:23 PM

Your idea sounds a lot like Bill Gate's smart fridge telling the us that our milk is going bad and that we should buy a new carton the next time we are at the supermarket.:D :D

Cinch

You just wait. Soon your Mac will send you a message saying it wants more RAM and a processor upgrade the next time you´re visiting the Apple Store. :D :eek:

clintob

Oct 3, 2006, 07:27 PM

The MBP is a Pro machine. I'd be willing to be that most of Apple's pro user-base does know the difference between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo.

Ahh... but you assume the average customer cares. I agree, the MBP is intended to be a pro machine. But there are a lot of customers out there who buy the biggest and brightest because they can afford it and they want it. I have a boss who doesn't know his elbow from his... well... you know. And he has an MBP and a 20" Intel iMac. He can barely use his email, but he's got the toys. And these people are not that rare... particularly when it comes to Apple. Sad but true.

And as a minor technicality, sending IMs and loading web pages depend on the speed of your internet connection, not your processor.

Yeah, I know... I was just making a point. Internet connection being equal, the generic apps (Safari, Mail, iChat) are all simple enough to run at basically same speed on a Powerbook G4 as they do on a brand new MacPro.

I predict MBPs will be out sooner than you might think, otherwise Apple risks being scoffed at by the technology community

I'm sure we'll see them soon too, if only because it's been a while since the last MBP refresh. But the people who are clamoring or saying that the tech community will scoff at Apple are mistaken. We all bitch and moan because we want the latest, but whenever it comes, even if it's in January, we'll all still buy because at the end of the day the processor is only a piece of the puzzle. Apple is head and shoulders better than everyone else, so those of us in the know will always buy... they've built more than enough confidence over the past few years to earn the technology community's trust.

parenthesis

Oct 3, 2006, 07:30 PM

I'm thinking about buying someone one of the "Photo Day" passes as a gift. Any ideas if it's worth the $250?

(e.g. has anyone gone to a similar event, and was it worth it)

Platform

Oct 3, 2006, 07:43 PM

What a surprise...hehe

No one else could really do it as well anyway ;)

Leopard needs more new features...Safari, OS general improvements etc...:D

Garvo

Oct 3, 2006, 08:18 PM

IDG World Expo announced on Tuesday that Apple CEO Steve Jobs would deliver the opening keynote address (http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10/03/jobs/index.php) at Macworld Expo San Francisco.

And this just in.....

Mickey Mouse will be leading the Parade at Disney World!:p

Buhbuhb

Oct 3, 2006, 09:09 PM

looking forward to what iTV will bring... It's an interesting product given that Apple is predominately a software/ computer company.

Mammoth

Oct 3, 2006, 09:40 PM

I'm dreaming for 2 'iPhones'

RAZR Killer: $149, ultra slim. iTunes, iCal, iChat, .Mac, Address Book, Mail, Mobile iWeb, Bluetooth. 2GB flash storage. 2MP camera.
Treo/Blackberry Killer: $299, Treo-like form, full QWERTY, same apps as RAZR killer + 4GB flash storage. 3MP camera.

And of course iTV, Merom updates, and a true video iPod.

geerlingguy

Oct 3, 2006, 09:46 PM

PowerBook G5s, of course!

No, really... I don't think we should expect too much out of the ordinary. iTV, updated iPod(s), new revision of MacBook Pro (perhaps), and Leopard, iLife and iWork updates.

The .Mac stuff is usually under-the-radar, but I suspect something new will come sometime before the keynote.

[Edit: I can't spell 'Leopard' - so shoot me.]

coday182

Oct 3, 2006, 10:28 PM

Xmas 2007 maybe :rolleyes:
No that will probably the the MBP with merom chips lol

Korivak

Oct 3, 2006, 10:56 PM

I think a lot of people are setting themselves up to be disappointed.

People have been talking about the iPhone for literally years now. And you never know - it might happen. But I think it's more likely that iPods will keep on being iPods. This is the product that hasn't ever added something as simple as an FM tuner, and the reason that they haven't is that it's more parts, more menu items, higher cost and something that only a very few feature addicts care about. Everyone and there uncle already has a cell phone, and a significant percentage of people already have an iPod - and most of them aren't about to throw away hundreds of dollars worth of techie toys that work perfectly to spend hundreds more on something that does the exact same things. Think back to the iPod Photos. Neat idea, a whole new major feature...and the only one that sold well was the one with the larger hard drive. Pretty much everyone thought it was cool, and then ignored it and bought the less expensive monochrome iPod (unless they happened to have 60 GBs of music). Maybe if the iPod was able to add cell support cheaply enough that it was a standard feature across the entire line (like the eventual iPod with Colour Screen), then it would sell - but that's a big engineering and manufacturing challenge for a feature not everyone's going to use (unlike colour album art, which you can't really help but enjoy). Hell, the amount of negotiation it would take to get iPhones working on different networks all around the world (a bit more of a localization issue than just translation and a standard USB interface) would be a nightmare, and probably be better spent getting more music, tv shows and movies.

And a "real" video iPod? I'm content with the current "fake" iPod with Video. Widescreen, larger screen, touch screen, wireless...it's all going to cost money and battery life. If you really want a "real" video iPod, get a Zune when it comes out. Microsoft, sweethearts that they are, will sell it to you at a loss because they don't have to worry about silly and mundane things like profit. But you can't plug it in to your Mac or import your iTMS music to it. Eventually, Apple will figure out a way to improve the iPod and still make a profit, and at that point, they'll release the - say it with me - the iPod. Until then, you can have your choice of the iPod, or not-an-iPod.

Also, if Steve Jobs were to retire, all he'd do all day would be hang out at Apple and give passionate speeches about Apple products. Basically, exactly what he does now.

SeaFox

Oct 3, 2006, 11:58 PM

I reaallly don't see Leopard being out in January.

Yeah, I'm thinking March.

iAlan

Oct 4, 2006, 12:09 AM

Start your countdown widgets....

SRSound

Oct 4, 2006, 12:11 AM

Two things I would love:

1: Smartphone/mini computer (blackberry style or even as advanced as the Sony UX180P (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/sony_ux180/Sony-Vaio-UX180P.htm)) that operates on a lite version of OS X.

2: Octo-core Mac Pros BEFORE this happens! Like, you know, late october, early novemberish...

I'm a dreamer :)

macfan881

Oct 4, 2006, 12:13 AM

im seeing i tv but could see it before macworld same with video ipod. new ilife and iworks etc hopefully a anouncment that all major studious will sign with apple for itunes movie store and deffintyl the key top secrets features for 10.5
my dream feature will be that bootcamp has been change to where u can nativly run mac/windows in the same screen with out reboot "hey i can dream" lol hopefully 3ghz macbook pros and a mid range tower and maybe new hd monitors thats biger than 30 inch for itv like 40 50 and 60" :cool: and blu ray will be made on all new macs

jhedges3

Oct 4, 2006, 12:23 AM

I don’t care as much about the Mac Phone any more. We’ve been talking about it for years. And with the exceptions of some phones that can play a song or two or three there has been nothing of the sort. Are we really supposed be filled with glee about an ipod that gets signal?

The level of interest on MR about the Phone (and many other things, new wireless, video pods, etc.) is clearly a reflection of consumer want for advancements in function and form. But again and again Apple never fully addresses these wants.

People on MR were probably buying into the early generations of the ipod. And although there were other mobile media devices that preceded them the ipods seemed like something different. That was October 2001 though. What has happened since? We’ve purchased other ones, which had more storage and different colors, but were the same thing. Do any of you see an end to this any time soon? Do you think the 6G and 7G will be anything but a little bigger and a little brighter? I know you want it to be, but will it be?

And this pattern goes for most of their other devices. Are the current Mac Book Pros much different than say a PowerBook G4 from several years ago? What functionality does the current MBP have that a PB doesn’t or can’t?

That’s only the positive side. The old PBs got crazy hot on your thighs. The new ones do the same. The next will do the same. The old batteries got terrible life after a few months of use. The new ones will be the same way.

Perhaps they have to sell to a broader base now, perhaps their focus is in large part on getting new people, converts. If that’s as true as it has seemed for a while now I’m ready for an Apple 2 to come. The idea wouldn’t be to supplant them. Apple 1 would be better than they are now at selling to the former Compaq buyers of the world. Apple 2 would give everyone on MR everything they want as soon as they want it.

slb

Oct 4, 2006, 12:50 AM

They might get laughed at but apple will be the ones laughing when their the first to debut santa rosa with 800mhz fsb and nand flash. Hopefully this is whats going to happen

This is what I'm waiting for before considering a Core 2 Mac purchase. However, the current version of the Merom is drop-in replaceable with the Core Duo, so it's strange for Apple to not have something ready for the holidays. I believe they'll quietly update the MacBooks and MacBook Pros sometime in November with Core 2s.

suwandy

Oct 4, 2006, 01:11 AM

suwandy

Oct 4, 2006, 01:14 AM

I'll shoot you for mentioning PowerBook G5! :D

I'm hoping for MBP update before MacWorld!

sethypoo

Oct 4, 2006, 02:19 AM

I really want Apple to announce the iPhone and preview Leopard more. I recently bought a MacBook Pro, and am interested in some new software.

I hope the iPhone comes out with Verizon, as I feel their service is SO much better than Cingular's. And their customer service has been stellar so far in my experience.

usarioclave

Oct 4, 2006, 04:35 AM

A friend of a friend was told that they should wait until march for that shiny new iPod. Take it for what it is, an unsubstantiated rumor.

Multimedia

Oct 4, 2006, 04:43 AM

Two things I would love:
2: Octo-core Mac Pros BEFORE this happens! Like, you know, late october, early novemberish...

I'm a dreamer :)Clovertown doesn't ship until November so I'm thinking Apple could add a BTO option for them +$800 for Dual Quad 2.33GHz Clovertowns in December without rocking too many boats. Then the choice will be between 4 fast 3GHz cores (12GHz) or 8 slower 2.33GHz cores (18.64GHz) for the same $3,300.

FYI Each of those processors are priced precisely the same $851 - in case you thought 8 cores were going to cost more. They won't.

teme

Oct 4, 2006, 05:29 AM

hi,

The people I have spoken to who use PC's are not nerds or power users, however, they do have monitors that work perfectly fine and want to use them. Why would someone purchase a 20" iMac when they already have sitting on their desk a 12 month old 19" LCD? They may not all need expandability (or really understand what that means) but they are of the mind set that they must have the option. These people are simply not considering Apple computers because of the lack of an upgradeable computer that is under $1500 (the mini is not easily upgradeable unless you happen to be one of those nerds you are refering to). The gap between the mini and the Mac Pro is enormous in both power and price yet there is nothing in the middle price/power range. Simply dismissing this catagory of people will not convince them to buy an iMac. Further, saying the operating system will convince them to switch is a moot point if they never buy the computer in the first place.

My friends, family, and co-workers are all interested in this "OS X thing" but get turned off at the price of the Pro, the lack of power of the mini, and the all in one of the iMac. This is what I am seeing, and Apple is losing sales because of it.
s.

You said the exact reasons why I bought a new PC tower and not a Mac, although I wanted to get a Mac.

david6545

Oct 4, 2006, 05:59 AM

This is what I'm waiting for before considering a Core 2 Mac purchase. However, the current version of the Merom is drop-in replaceable with the Core Duo, so it's strange for Apple to not have something ready for the holidays. I believe they'll quietly update the MacBooks and MacBook Pros sometime in November with Core 2s.

Or the remaining tuesdays/Wednesdays in October. But probably not much more than the processor, I'm afraid.

AidenShaw

Oct 4, 2006, 07:01 AM

They might get laughed at but apple will be the ones laughing when their the first to debut santa rosa with 800mhz fsb and nand flash. Hopefully this is whats going to happen
Apple won't be first, they'll either announce the same day as HP/Dell/Lenovo/Acer/Asus/... - or they'll announce later.

With Yonah, Merom, Woodcrest and Conroe, the pattern has been "later".

At some point the consumer experience is not appreciably improved by processor improvements. Except for media processing intensive applicatons, we are there.

That alone ia an amazing statement for the Apple platform.

Can any other platform say that or even promise that any time within 2 years?
Windows and Linux are running on the same platform, and both have proven SMP capabilities far beyond what Apple is selling.

Most of the quad and octo systems at IDF were running XP, W2K3, or Vista. None were running OSX.

geerlingguy

Oct 4, 2006, 08:44 AM

I'll shoot you for mentioning PowerBook G5! :D

That wasn't an option.

;)

dernhelm

Oct 4, 2006, 08:45 AM

The Mini is pretty powerful. Sorry to discount your argument, but I think that it's more than enough for people out there that aren't power users/computer nerds. Heck, my dad runs engineering software all day long on his Pentium 3 733mhz, 256MB RAM computer and doesn't feel the need to upgrade.

It being in a small case is even better for the common user. Maybe to us, a small case seems like a bad computer, but the specs are similar to MacBook specs, which seems like enough for almost all users out there.

I agree - this mid-range headless computer everyone is talking about isn't likely to happen. Apple has clearly discounted this segment as "not very interesting". I'm just guessing here, but it seems like their market research might be a little better than ours on this matter. Even if we did have several friends not buying a Mac because the mini is too small and the Mac Pro too expensive, I'm guessing Apple isn't in that market because they don't feel the niche carries enough value to produce and maintain yet another product line.

However, and I've said this before, I think Apple should build another headless machine aimed at a particular market segment: gamers. They've already shown they can build super-cool looking hardware. They've already produced systems with crazy stuff like liquid cooling. And if anyone can give Dell/Alienware and HP/Voodoo a run for their money, it's Apple.

Multimedia

Oct 4, 2006, 08:49 AM

The people I have spoken to who use PC's are not nerds or power users, however, they do have monitors that work perfectly fine and want to use them. Why would someone purchase a 20" iMac when they already have sitting on their desk a 12 month old 19" LCD? They may not all need expandability (or really understand what that means) but they are of the mind set that they must have the option. These people are simply not considering Apple computers because of the lack of an upgradeable computer that is under $1500 (the mini is not easily upgradeable unless you happen to be one of those nerds you are refering to). The gap between the mini and the Mac Pro is enormous in both power and price yet there is nothing in the middle price/power range. Simply dismissing this catagory of people will not convince them to buy an iMac. Further, saying the operating system will convince them to switch is a moot point if they never buy the computer in the first place.

My friends, family, and co-workers are all interested in this "OS X thing" but get turned off at the price of the Pro, the lack of power of the mini, and the all in one of the iMac. This is what I am seeing, and Apple is losing sales because of it.
Bravo. Apple Marketing needs a new Sheriff.You said the exact reasons why I bought a new PC tower and not a Mac, although I wanted to get a Mac.I completely understand your frustration. It's ridiculous what Apple is not doing to fill this obvious product line black hole which is sucking all the potential sales of Macs over to the PC side. :eek: :( :mad:

DStaal

Oct 4, 2006, 09:58 AM

digitalbiker

Oct 4, 2006, 11:11 AM

Clovertown doesn't ship until November so I'm thinking Apple could add a BTO option for them +$800 for Dual Quad 2.33GHz Clovertowns in December without rocking too many boats. Then the choice will be between 4 fast 3GHz cores (12GHz) or 8 slower 2.33GHz cores (18.64GHz) for the same $3,300.

FYI Each of those processors are priced precisely the same $851 - in case you thought 8 cores were going to cost more. They won't.

I'm afraid the new Intel Apple is going to be the same as the old PPC Apple.

Apple, (in the past), always blamed slow implementation of new processors and long shipping wait times on low Motorola or IBM processor yields.

Now Apple doesn't have the same excuse with Intel but I bet we don't see a Merom MBP or an Octo-MacPro until MacWorld SF or later.

Anyone taking bets!

peharri

Oct 4, 2006, 11:31 AM

You do realize that would only vindicate the rumor, and people would say he's only saying that because he doesn't want anyone leaking the info on the product Apple's developing...

The first few times, yes. But when three years rolls by, and Steve has announced each time "I've been looking at the rumours sites. There's some great ideas being suggested that I can honestly say we're not working on. But I'd like to single out the iPhone, the tablet, and the Powerbook G5, as we've looked at these and I can honestly tell you that, right now, we see no point in making them. Maybe things will change next year, but as of now, I'd like you to know that our engineers are working on much more interesting, exciting, original hardware." then people are going to start to take it seriously.

Especially if he also comes up with things like "Oh, and while obviously we're going to do what we can to keep our hardware up to date, I can assure you we're not planning the rumoured 64 bit upgrades for the MacBook Pro in the next quarter."

As time goes by, people will recognize that he's not lying. And that'll make it much harder to make stuff up in order to sell page hits.

Of course, I'm fairly convinced the "iPhone" nonsense is probably partly being exploited by Apple at the moment. They didn't invent it, but I suspect it's being used to try to find leakers at the moment. Does anyone seriously think Steve Jobs is running around talking openly about a super-secret product?

Multimedia

Oct 4, 2006, 01:21 PM

I'm afraid the new Intel Apple is going to be the same as the old PPC Apple.

Apple, (in the past), always blamed slow implementation of new processors and long shipping wait times on low Motorola or IBM processor yields.

Now Apple doesn't have the same excuse with Intel but I bet we don't see a Merom MBP or an Octo-MacPro until MacWorld SF or later.

Anyone taking bets!I'm not betting. But I think the C2D MB & MBPs will come out before Thanksgiving November 23. I can see them holding out on the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro for dramatic purposes in the January 9 SteveNote. But they will be a full two months behind the shipping date if they do, which would confirm your fear which I can fully understand.

Seems like they have not figured out how to turn on a dime or have make a conscious decision to not try and keep up with the latest ASAP and just poke along to the beat of their own weird drum. I feel a little bit hostage to their slow release pace. But perhaps we can't really understand what goes on behind the curtain and should cut them more slack. :)

After all, they were spot on with the rapid release of the C2D iMacs a month ago. Maybe we're all being irrationally and prematurely impatient.

nagromme

Oct 4, 2006, 02:06 PM

FunFact:

1 in 5 MacRumors voters think someone else should keynote MacWorld SF :)

But who? A possible clue:

I received an email form letter directly from Phil Schiller today, asking me to vote negative on this story. From what I hear in the forums, Phil has sent a LOT of these out today.

Very interesting.

donlphi

Oct 4, 2006, 02:18 PM

I heard this is all a rumor!!!

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Coming as little surprise to veteran Apple watchers, IDG World Expo announced on Tuesday that Apple CEO Steve Jobs would deliver the opening keynote address (http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10/03/jobs/index.php) at Macworld Expo San Francisco. The expo will be held at San Francisco's Moscone Convention Center from January 8-12, 2007, with the keynote on Tuesday January 9th at 9 am Pacific at Moscone West.

Last year's keynote brought software updates including iLife (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110141828.shtml) and iWork (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142618.shtml) 06 and Mac OS X 10.4.4 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110180240.shtml). Also, the first Intel Macs were announced 6 months early in the form of the iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142730.shtml) and MacBook Pro (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110142811.shtml).

While still early, this year's expectations have already begun to gain steam, with obvious expectations of iLife (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060802125923.shtml) and iWork (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/07/20060717122553.shtml) updates as well as the formal launch of the "iTV". Also possible is Apple's long-awaited phone and similarly long-awaited "true" video iPod, although both products have seen several setbacks. Lastly, with OS 10.5 Leopard's release around the corner, Jobs will undoubtedly take the opportunity to highlight some already announced (and perhaps some remaining "top-secret") features of the new operating system.

Digg This (http://digg.com/apple/Steve_Jobs_To_Keynote_Macworld_San_Francisco_2007)

BRLawyer

Oct 4, 2006, 02:59 PM

Windows and Linux are running on the same platform, and both have proven SMP capabilities far beyond what Apple is selling.

Most of the quad and octo systems at IDF were running XP, W2K3, or Vista. None were running OSX.

Squarely wrong. Even "The Inquirer" has talked about the vastly superior multitasking AND SMP features of OS X Leopard, as compared to what Vista seems to offer. Damn, even today any version of Windows crawls far behind OS X in that (XP Home didn't even have SMP support in the first place).

Second: the fact that IDF didn't have any "octo" machines derives from the simple and obvious assessment that Apple does NOT have any "octo" machines. Anything else would be just illegal.

And the lack of any OS X-running "quad" machines is not surprising either, given the usual (and) historical focus of the IDF; besides, it's an easy fallacy to assert that the non-existence of machines "running OS X" in quad configurations at a certain event means a lack of capacity by OS X to do so. This statement has no basis whatsoever.

JackSYi

Oct 4, 2006, 03:14 PM

Thank god. My first MWSF (been saving up for it), with the primary reason being: Steve Jobs.

BRLawyer

Oct 4, 2006, 03:16 PM

Thank god. My first MWSF (been saving up for it), with the primary reason being: Steve Jobs.

To listen a keynote about his retirement? :rolleyes:

AidenShaw

Oct 4, 2006, 03:25 PM

Squarely wrong. Even "The Inquirer" has talked about the vastly superior multitasking AND SMP features of OS X Leopard, as compared to what Vista seems to offer. Damn, even today any version of Windows crawls far behind OS X in that.
If you say so. I guess the people running databases on 64-processor Windows systems (http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/ben020.aspx?b=eb4a0fa9-0344-487d-85ef-49539f0da8f0&f=Clust'd%3dN) haven't read The Inquirer.

Second: the fact that IDF didn't have any "octo" machines derives from the simple and obvious assessment that Apple does NOT have any "octo" machines. Anything else would be just illegal.
HP, Dell, IBM and the rest were running octos - their dual-socket workstations and servers were fitted with Clovertown samples provided by Intel. I didn't know that there was a law against that. :rolleyes:

...it's an easy fallacy to assert that the non-existence of machines "running OS X" in quad configurations at a certain event means a lack of capacity by OS X to do so.
Sorry for the confusion - my point was that Intel was demonstrating the power of the octos by demoing with Windows as the OS.

One demo even had a Windows quad (dual-dual) system which was upgraded onstage to an octo (dual-quad) system - the benchmark was re-run with the 8 processors on the octo to show the improvement.

If Windows SMP and multi-tasking is as bad as you and The Inquirer say, I would have expected Intel to use Linux....

digitalbiker

Oct 4, 2006, 03:49 PM

Squarely wrong. Even "The Inquirer" has talked about the vastly superior multitasking AND SMP features of OS X Leopard, as compared to what Vista seems to offer. Damn, even today any version of Windows crawls far behind OS X in that (XP Home didn't even have SMP support in the first place).

Second: the fact that IDF didn't have any "octo" machines derives from the simple and obvious assessment that Apple does NOT have any "octo" machines. Anything else would be just illegal.

And the lack of any OS X-running "quad" machines is not surprising either, given the usual (and) historical focus of the IDF; besides, it's an easy fallacy to assert that the non-existence of machines "running OS X" in quad configurations at a certain event means a lack of capacity by OS X to do so. This statement has no basis whatsoever.

The inquirer is definitely wrong about this! OS X is a great OS with many features but it needs a lot of work with SMP compared to 64 bit windows and Linux.

In fact, OS X is behind on being a full 64 bit OS as well.

Besides, I wouldn't contradict Aiden if I were you. The man knows of that which he speaks.

peharri

Oct 4, 2006, 04:15 PM

Second: the fact that IDF didn't have any "octo" machines derives from the simple and obvious assessment that Apple does NOT have any "octo" machines. Anything else would be just illegal.

It'd be pretty easy to check actually, and really quite legal. The part of Mac OS X that actually implements SMP is the kernel, which is part of Darwin. You can install Darwin without fear of repurcusions, on your toaster, if you want.

Multimedia

Oct 4, 2006, 05:18 PM

The inquirer is definitely wrong about this! OS X is a great OS with many features but it needs a lot of work with SMP compared to 64 bit windows and Linux.

In fact, OS X is behind on being a full 64 bit OS as well.

Besides, I wouldn't contradict Aiden if I were you. The man knows of that which he speaks.No kidding. The only time I contradict Aiden is always inadvertant use of my ignorant brain connected to my loose fingers. And Aiden is always happy to correct the error of my ways while I am glad he does.

w_parietti22

Oct 4, 2006, 08:32 PM

I might be going for my 16th Bday :D :D :D

brepublican

Oct 4, 2006, 09:29 PM

This is HOT *****!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the 'true video iPod'. And a stunning live performance! By Dido or Alicia Keys - with SJ going 'Wooo' at the end of the live performance :D :D

And is it wierd that I keep watching last month's keynote (just the end of it though) for that sizzling John Legend performance?? I've seen it like more than thrice already...

nagromme

Oct 4, 2006, 10:17 PM

In fact, OS X is behind on being a full 64 bit OS as well.
Meanwhile Vista will be behind Leopard in 64-bit support :) An optional install no less! :confused:

AidenShaw

Oct 5, 2006, 01:36 AM

Meanwhile Vista will be behind Leopard in 64-bit support :) An optional install no less! :confused:
This claim, of course, is based on two Powerpoints from a Stevenote at WWDC.

The current 10.5 builds are behind XP 64-bit in support.

And those Apple 64-bit Intel systems - not a lick of 64-bit support in the OSX that runs on them....

drsmithy

Oct 5, 2006, 03:02 AM

lets hope for a great keynote:

1- new Mac without display, performance would be better than imac, and not as much $$ as mac pro. basically a mid sized tower good enough for mid level use on graphics, games and much more. something upgradable by the end user.

Much as I'd love this, it ain't going to happen. Users have been begging for such a machine since Apple slimmed down their product line in the late '90s and left that gaping hole in it, but to no avail.

Apple won't release such a machine because they know it would absolutely slaughter high margin PowerMac^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMac Pro sales unless ridiculously (and obviously) artificially crippled. A secondary effect would be the loss of sales on their high-margin LCDs.

So, while the market for such a machine is massive, Apple won't sell directly to them because they make more money by "up-selling" them to a Mac Pro or high-end iMac.

2- media center to complement the Itv
They've already got one - the Mac Mini (I've got one running Windows MCE and it's great). Maybe an update to Front Row so that it's an equivalent to Windows MCE...

I must admit I don't see the point of the iTV at all when you can get a console like the Xbox 360 for the same price that will do everything the iTV is supposed to do and more.

drsmithy

Oct 5, 2006, 03:08 AM

drsmithy

Oct 5, 2006, 03:25 AM

Squarely wrong. Even "The Inquirer" has talked about the vastly superior multitasking AND SMP features of OS X Leopard, as compared to what Vista seems to offer. Damn, even today any version of Windows crawls far behind OS X in that (XP Home didn't even have SMP support in the first place).

The Inquirer is wrong (and it certainly wouldn't be the first time). Not only is Windows's SMP capability ahead of OS X's right now, it's improved even more in Vista. All those improvements in 10.4 regarding SMP ? NT was getting them 7 - 8 years ago.

Oh, and XP Home most certainly *does* support SMP (and seeing as it uses the same kernel as other versions of Windows, it makes better use of multiple CPUs than OS X does).

Windows NT was designed from day one for multiprocessor machines and has been running on them since 1993. It's at least as good as its contemporaries.

drsmithy

Oct 5, 2006, 03:33 AM

It'd be pretty easy to check actually, and really quite legal. The part of Mac OS X that actually implements SMP is the kernel, which is part of Darwin. You can install Darwin without fear of repurcusions, on your toaster, if you want.

Isn't the version of Darwin underpinning OS X/Intel no longer Open Source ?

peharri

Oct 5, 2006, 10:23 AM

Isn't the version of Darwin underpinning OS X/Intel no longer Open Source ?

Define "Open Source". If by Open Source, you mean provided under a liberal license that provides for the ability of users to excercise Free Software rights, then it's open source. If you mean characterized by an open development model in which any party can contribute with contributions being judged by merit, then, no, not really.

Darwin remains licensed under APSL2, and the source code for a usable subset (missing some device drivers, notably nVidia and ATI drivers) is downloadable and sharable.