Wii = Cube

[Dagless]

http://www.gamebrink.com/news/602-Miyamoto_The_Interview_Part_2.html

From the Shigger himself.

The hardware is basically a GC. We’ve upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they’re more fun to play.

I can understand how some people will feel angry at that. And whilst you're angry I will go finish off Link to the Past (up to the 6th crystal thing as of today) on 16bit, iPod-is-probably-more-powerful, decade old hardware.

[speakerwizard]

yeah, its basically an overclocked gamecube, but hey, its cheap, wifi, and cool controllers, ill be getting one, even if it fails, i can still play monkeyball

[2nyRiggz]

Well it still will make a killing so whatever.



Bless

[MacRumorUser]

hey, its cheap......


I wish people would stop saying that...


It's 'cheaper'. It's not 'cheap'

£199 for a core xbox (with many online places throwing in a game for free) compared to £179 for a wii is not that cheap.

Yes the wii has wifi, but the 360 has ethernet. To upgrade either to ethernet/wifi you have to pay for an extra usb adapter. Remember also the 360 has component AV cable, the wii does not and one has to be purchased on top of the £179 (so add £20) and its the same price...

But the 360 is significantly more powerful than the wii, whereas the wii give or take is a £50 gamecube with wifi and new controllers and 512mb sdram on board.

I'm NOT saying the Wii isnt a great potential system. I'm just saying ITS NOT CHEAP :p :)

[Abulia]

Damn you, jimmi, I was so going to post that four hours ago but I figured I'd get flamed alive. You stud! :)

An overclocked Gamecube with a gimmic control scheme for $250.

[MacRumorUser]

^ Nah. When your posting the words of 'god' then your just spreading the word ;) :D


This part I found funny

- When you announced the GC, you revealed that "reflection on the N64" was taken and it allowed developers to design games for it much more easily along with other things so I don’t think the GC strategy itself had anything to do with that gap.

Miyamoto:
Yes. We had to work with a third party to create the optical media instead of a ROM set. We also had to strengthen the security to protect our games by creating a unique kind of optical media so we done everything we should have but because we couldn’t work together with a certain third party, our console couldn’t play DVDs and some consumers left us

Mmm sounds much like the Wii yet again. Who said we learn from the mistakes of the past ;)


Disclaimer : wii is great, we all bow to the Wii freaks and submit authority to your incredible quick reactions of your 'flameware' :D

[Abulia]

Mmm sounds much like the Wii yet again. Who said we learn from the mistakes of the past ;)
"Wii learn from the mistakes of the past?" ;)

The Wii: Taking Nintendo from worst to first! :D

[yellow]

Wii = GC? Ouch.

[MacRumorUser]

Wii = GC? Ouch.

I think your new Avatar Yellow says exactly the same :)

[zap2]

It similar, but not one :)


I see it as the upgrade of the Rev A iMac G5 to a Rev B iMac, where the PS3 is a iMac G5 to iMac Core Duo

[orangezorki]

Nintendo really need to be congratulated because they understand one important thing: Speed is not everything, especially when acceptable 3D graphics is now a standard. Instead, they are concentrating on decent value, simple and innovative hardware and software. While it's fine for PCs to be tweaked and upgraded, a games console should be an appliance, and if anything the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony are drifting away from that.

Secondly, and far more importantly, I want to walk into a shop and shout at the top of my voice: "I NEED A WII!"

David

[SamIchi]

Hmm, even though I knew the Wii wasn't going to be powerful, this kind of dissapoints me. It'll probably go away after I actually own one though.

Secondly, and far more importantly, I want to walk into a shop and shout at the top of my voice: "I NEED A WII!"

David


No one is stopping you

[SodaPopMonster]

Funny, I thought you meant that the Wii is like the G4 cube. (Anyone else think that?)

[atszyman]

I often wonder if Nintendo's strategy is a bit more complex at the moment. In the next 5-15 years photo realistic graphics will be standard and cheap. As of right now getting close to photo realism is expensive. If Nintendo truly concentrates on the game play and manages to score a hit with the Wii interface and improve upon it in subsequent generations then the Graphics will come, but they will have a 5-10 year head start on a "better, more immersive" gaming interface.

There is very little room for improvement once photo realism is reached and what will gaming be about then other than innovative game play to entice future generations of systems?

[Dagless]

Nintendo really need to be congratulated because they understand one important thing: Speed is not everything, especially when acceptable 3D graphics is now a standard. Instead, they are concentrating on decent value, simple and innovative hardware and software. While it's fine for PCs to be tweaked and upgraded, a games console should be an appliance, and if anything the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony are drifting away from that.

Secondly, and far more importantly, I want to walk into a shop and shout at the top of my voice: "I NEED A WII!"

David

yea that's kind of my thinking now. My PC/Mac needs to be as fast as possible for pushing all the thousands of 8mp photos in my library, my whole iTunes collection, editing HD video etc. Whereas my consoles have 1 aim - to entertain me. If my NES still entertains me then where is the problem? I tell you where - with kids and people who want to out-do cinemas.

Though I suppose no matter what the specs are, even if they are (somehow) slower than the Cube. What I've seen so far in Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Metroid Prime is nothing beyond perfect. I just hope to god that the Wii manages to out perform the 360 in terms of frame rates. I get a lovely warm feeling when something, no matter the action on screen performs without a single drop in frame rate. It warms my cockles.

[MacRumorUser]

It warms my cockles.

what you do in the comfort of your own room is nobodies business but your own ;) :p :D


back ot

And regardless of controller innovation i still have to say I would have prefered to play Zelda at 720p than 480i

I downloaded a 640x480 (high quality) movie of zelda twilight princess .
It looked great in a window on my monitor, but when it was blown up to full screen on my 42" LCD - jaggies / poor anti aliasing and general murkiness failed to impress me. It was like a totally differnet game.

I'm sure the game will look fantastic on a CRT TV, but for all of us who have invested in high def tv's - those low res games are going to look pretty poor in comparison, and regardless of innovative controller, gaming is still a visual visceral experience and graphics are a huge part of that.

It wont stop me buying a Wii, but it might get relegated to an older TV....

[gauchogolfer]

Funny, I thought you meant that the Wii is like the G4 cube. (Anyone else think that?)

*raises hand*

[gloss]

what you do in the comfort of your own room is nobodies business but your own ;) :p :D


back ot

And regardless of controller innovation i still have to say I would have prefered to play Zelda at 720p than 480i

I downloaded a 640x480 (high quality) movie of zelda twilight princess .
It looked great in a window on my monitor, but when it was blown up to full screen on my 42" LCD - jaggies / poor anti aliasing and general murkiness failed to impress me. It was like a totally differnet game.

I'm sure the game will look fantastic on a CRT TV, but for all of us who have invested in high def tv's - those low res games are going to look pretty poor in comparison, and regardless of innovative controller, gaming is still a visual visceral experience and graphics are a huge part of that.

It wont stop me buying a Wii, but it might get relegated to an older TV....

In defense of the Wii, blowing a movie up to HD resolution is going to look a lot worse than having a system running the graphics straight to HD. Movie files introduce tearing and blurring and artifacting. My friend plays his Gamecube on a 42" Sony Wega HDTV and it looks just fine. If Zelda looks at least that good, I'll be happy.

[sikkinixx]

thats odd jimmi! I am playing LTTP too! and oddly enough I have just got to the 6th dungeon in Dark world.

Its a lot easier than it used to be *sigh* I think I have been playing for about 3 or 4 hours and its almost done...

but on topic, it makes me wonder why Nintendo didn't push their price lower? Cubes are what? $79.99US now? So a new controller and some upgrades pieces are worth the $180 difference? Don't get me wrong, 249.99 is still cheap, but if 360 drops by 50 bucks the Wii looks a lot less appealing to Joe Blow Consumer who is seeing GoW playing next to Red Steel. I tend to agree with a lot of the game reporters that 199.99 looks a whole lot cheaper than 249.99 and it looks like peanuts next to $399.99 or $599.99

[greatdevourer]

Funny, I thought you meant that the Wii is like the G4 cube. (Anyone else think that?) Yup :D (see sig)

[Dagless]

off the topic! how do I get to the desert dungeon? the fortune teller woman tells me I'll meet a strange man in the desert. I actually got bored of this game. I still am in a way, there's no charm like Links Awakening or Minish Cap (showing that charm can be done in the modern age). i wish I could get into this fully. it's taken me since the GBA remake's launch to get this far into it.

[Mavimao]

If you read further down in the interview he says,

"For a brief period of time, some of the staff said, "The Wii has better capabilities than the GC so lets improve the graphics." But Zelda fans aren’t really looking forward to a improved version of the game and are only looking for it to be fun so, I said all we have to do is make something fun for both the Wii and GC. Recently, we finally reached the conclusion that, "the Wii isn’t a console seeking for the next generation graphics." Of course, there are games that seek to have good graphics so you’ll see the titles split up that way."

So it seems that in the end, the Wii has a slight graphical edge over the cube. slightly, remember.

[MacRumorUser]

So it seems that in the end, the Wii has a slight graphical edge over the cube. slightly, remember.

In the same way one of my shoes has a slightly longer lace than the other ;) ... :D


Mavimao... where is Ohi-ah ? Been wondering about that for ages since I say your tag.

[Mavimao]

but on topic, it makes me wonder why Nintendo didn't push their price lower? Cubes are what? $79.99US now? So a new controller and some upgrades pieces are worth the $180 difference? Don't get me wrong, 249.99 is still cheap, but if 360 drops by 50 bucks the Wii looks a lot less appealing to Joe Blow Consumer who is seeing GoW playing next to Red Steel. I tend to agree with a lot of the game reporters that 199.99 looks a whole lot cheaper than 249.99 and it looks like peanuts next to $399.99 or $599.99

It makes sense to push the price as high they can now for a couple of reasons. First you don't want to "cheapen" the console. Let it sell at a high price point to make people believe it's a nice new console. Now, because it's 249.99, they are able to afford a greater number of price cuts than if they were able to at 199.99. For instance, if the x-box value pack drops 50 dollars, the wii will drop 50 dollars to 199.99 with perhaps a better bundle (Mario Kart Wii and 2 wii-motes for example). Who knows if the Xbox can afford to drop to 200 anytime soon, but I'm sure Nintendo could simulate sales by dropping it to 149.99 as soon as they release some killer app (Zelda Wii or Super Mario 128). And when the console reaches the last stages of it's life Nintendo can sell it at 99.99. Twenty dollars more than Cubes right now: more profit for them.

Whilst to us Tech geeks we wonder why we pay extra money for a simple upgrade...remember that just a processor upgrade for a G4 Mac costs as much as the Wii.

[Mavimao]

In the same way one of my shoes has a slightly longer lace than the other ;) ... :D


Mavimao... where is Ohi-ah ? Been wondering about that for ages since I say your tag.

haha...oh your Irish wit is no match for my OHIO sensibility.

('Ohi-ah' is basically a partially-phonetic spelling of how people in hick parts of Ohio pronounce the name of the state they live in. oh-hi-ya. Kinda like if you were to put 'arr-land ... maybe. Did I get that right?)

[greatdevourer]

Whilst to us Tech geeks we wonder why we pay extra money for a simple upgrade...remember that just a processor upgrade for a G4 Mac costs as much as the Wii. Heh, the one I'm after'll set me back $525+shipping! :eek:

[zap2]

So it seems that in the end, the Wii has a slight graphical edge over the cube. slightly, remember.


I think at the end of the day...all games should look atleast as good as RE 4 did, and then games like Red Steel should be the new "RE 4" for the Wii(meaning the top of the graphic gaming)

[sikkinixx]

off the topic! how do I get to the desert dungeon? the fortune teller woman tells me I'll meet a strange man in the desert. I actually got bored of this game. I still am in a way, there's no charm like Links Awakening or Minish Cap (showing that charm can be done in the modern age). i wish I could get into this fully. it's taken me since the GBA remake's launch to get this far into it.

the desert dungeon in Dark World? Or light world? in light world you have to get the book from the village. You go into the library (once screen down from the village) and dash into the bookshelf, then use the book at the stone in front of the dungeon. To get into the darkworld desert (swamp) dungeon you use the flute thinngy to fly to the number inside it, then use Titans Mitt to lift the black stone then use Ether on the symbol in the swamp!

And to Mavimao, oh! I never thought of it that way. Still wish it was 200US though since $249.99 is likely to be $300 cdn which is a lil too steep for me at the moment (since all i want is Zelda until Mario comes out)

[Pressure]

Funny, I thought you meant that the Wii is like the G4 cube. (Anyone else think that?)

The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%.-Douglas adams

That was my exact thought.

By the way, I love Douglas Adams :D

[MacRumorUser]

haha...oh your Irish wit is no match for my OHIO sensibility.

('Ohi-ah' is basically a partially-phonetic spelling of how people in hick parts of Ohio pronounce the name of the state they live in. oh-hi-ya. Kinda like if you were to put 'arr-land ... maybe. Did I get that right?)

I get you :) its like (Irish) gaelic language is pronounced gay-lick :D always makes me giggle when we get news reports each year at exam time, saying that more and more teenagers struggling with gaelic in schools.. :p ;) :D

[twistedlegato]

I dont care! As long as it has TP and the wii-mote im fine, no matter what the hardware is!:)

[plinkoman]

wii may equal gc, but their not talking about power, their talking about architecture in that it is of the same design. wii = gc is along the lines of 500MHz G4 = 1GHz G4 (just an analogy), in that anything that can be made to run on the first can be run on the second with absolutely no modifications.

remember that gc was 400MHz, and wii is 729MHz; and that is a relatively big difference. no one is saying it isn't a bit more powerful than the cube. the wii may not be the supercomputer we all so badly want to believe it is, but don't misunderstand what is meant by wii = gc. :cool:

[Spanky Deluxe]

wii may equal gc, but their not talking about power, their talking about architecture in that it is of the same design. wii = gc is along the lines of 500MHz G4 = 1GHz G4 (just an analogy), in that anything that can be made to run on the first can be run on the second with absolutely no modifications.

remember that gc was 400MHz, and wii is 729MHz; and that is a relatively big difference. no one is saying it isn't a bit more powerful than the cube. the wii may not be the supercomputer we all so badly want to believe it is, but don't misunderstand what is meant by wii = gc. :cool:

Good point. Nintendo have made a point of game developers wasting so much time and effort making games look really realistic, high def and pretty. The amount of time and money that has to get spent on higher definition content for games goes up dramatically the more complex you get. Levels need many more polygons, textures need much more time to work on and at the end of it things can look really pretty. The problem arises when game developers sacrifice time and money that can get spent on improving the game play in order to make the game look nicer. For big budget games such as Half Life 2, Grand Turismo etc this isn't as much a problem but the small fry developers simply can't keep up. At the end of the day gameplay is a hell of a lot more important than the graphics.
Hell, the games I go back to play the most are MarioKart on the GC and Sonic the Hedgehog on the Megadrive / Sega Mega Collection and they're both way more fun than the majority of the new games on the block. Maybe that's just me though.

[howard]

i've read in an interview with some nintendo guy.. probably on ign, that the wii will look at least better than the best games on original xbox. This to me is pretty good.

[Dagless]

i've read in an interview with some nintendo guy.. probably on ign, that the wii will look at least better than the best games on original xbox. This to me is pretty good.

Have you seen the videos from it yet? full 3D crowds in Smash Football, AA etc.

What's also good was Shigsy saying that not even TP comes close to the power of the GC. What we saw was 90% of the power. or something. 10% isn't much but when you think that TP is at 90% of 2001 hardware it makes you wonder what magical fairies Nintendo stuck into the Cube.

[Haoshiro]

See this is what I don't get, all he is really saying is it's the same platform.

Why do people treat consoles so differently then PCs? Wii uses the same platform as GC, it didn't change hardware architectures, this it can run GC software.

If we buy a brand new Mac or PC, we don't usually say "hey, this is just the same as my old computer", do we? No, it's new, it's faster, it's better. Same case with Wii... yet it gets flak for that?

The 360 had it even worse, it kept being called an Xbox 1.5 even though it actually used a completely different architecture!

The new systems are all "upgrades", yet sometimes people call that bad, and sometimes people say it's good... strange, the lot of you!

[jdechko]

I tend to agree that he probably meant that it's very similar in terms of architecture, and the comparison of a computer upgrade is probably spot on. New case, faster CPU/GPU, more memory, more storage. In the end, it's gonna sell like hotcakes, I believe, because there are a lot of people who are at least curious about this little white machine.

I've had (and still have) opinions on all of the consoles. I'd definitely label myself in the Nintendo crowd. I grew up with Nintendo, Mario and Zelda and those are the games that I really want to play. There are other franchises out there that are also going to be on the Wii, so I'm fine with the console they give me. I've been disappointed at some of the decisions that Nintendo has made. In all honesty, I would have liked 1080i graphics from the Wii and for it to be more powerful than the PS3 and X360. But I realize that I'm gonna have a ton of fun with the Wii, and so are a lot of other people.

[aidanpendragon]

remember that gc was 400MHz, and wii is 729MHz; and that is a relatively big difference. no one is saying it isn't a bit more powerful than the cube. the wii may not be the supercomputer we all so badly want to believe it is, but don't misunderstand what is meant by wii = gc. :cool:

If you can get a game that looks as good as RE4 out of the GC processor/graphics subsystem, imagine what the Wii, with the same architecture but 2-3 times as powerful (as many in Nintendo have said in the past) can do. Even if it's "just" 400MHz --> 729MHz, that's a lot more devels can work with.

[Abulia]

Maybe old news, but I found it funny.

[Abulia]

I can't take credit for this, it's from a poster at Ars, but he sums up the Nintendo zealots pretty well. :)
Everyone: "The Wii is just an overclocked GameCube"

Nintendophans:"No it's not, it's the GC technology, but it's faster."

Everyone: "That's what overclocked means"

Nintendophans: "The GC was as fast as an XBox (we think) so that means the Wii is better than an XBox"

Everyone: "Was it **** as fast as an XBox"

Nintendophans: "Look at SCII"

Eveyone: "Look at Half Life 2 or Chronicles of Riddick"

Nintendophans: "Graphics don't matter anyway. Fun matters"

Everyone: "Games don't automatically become more fun just because the graphics are worse"

Nintendophans: "But look at the controller - it's different, so that must mean better"

Everyone: "But look at the games - they're straight GC ports with wiimote bits tacked on"

Nintendophans: "But it's cheaper than the superexpensive 360 and PS3 and Nintendo are focussing on games"

Everyone: "Nintendo have shoved a weather channel and a web browser in there. And it's only fifty bucks less than a 360 Core."

Nintendophans: "But Virtual Console! People like playing retro games yeah"

Everyone: "Like XBox Live Arcade? And those plug-into-the-telly-joysticks you can pick up for a tenner?"

[MacRumorUser]

I can't take credit for this, it's from a poster at Ars, but he sums up the Nintendo zealots pretty well. :)

LOL! prepare for a toasting ;)

[Haoshiro]

Well that isn't what overclocking means, someone obviously is stretching things a bit.

If this was in response to my post, I'm guessing you made it on your overclocked Mac! :rolleyes:

[BlizzardBomb]

Everyone: "The Wii is just an overclocked GameCube"

Nintendophans:"No it's not, it's the GC technology, but it's faster."

Everyone: "That's what overclocked means"

OK... So that's basically saying that customizing a Mac Pro from dual-dual 2.66 GHz to dual-dual 3 GHz is overclocking?


Nintendophans: "The GC was as fast as an XBox (we think) so that means the Wii is better than an XBox"

Everyone: "Was it **** as fast as an XBox"

Nintendophans: "Look at SCII"


SCII? Umm... I'm sorry but since when would anyone push SCII as the GC's graphically best game? Has no-one seen Resident Evil 4 or Twilight Princess? No, the GC wasn't as powerful as an XBox, but it was pretty darn close. But yes, the Wii is overpriced for its power. The Gamecube had a 485 MHz processor, why couldn't the Wii even break 1 GHz (I know clock speed isn't everything) several years later?

[Mavimao]

Well that isn't what overclocking means, someone obviously is stretching things a bit.

If this was in response to my post, I'm guessing you made it on your overclocked Mac! :rolleyes:


True true. If you were to use that logic, abulia, that the Wii is an overclocked GC, then the intel macs are overclocked Mycron 2000's from 1980.

[MacRumorUser]

all of you

sudo edit /XII/stopthenerdspeak.conf

;)


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oops pot kettle black scenario :D

[sikkinixx]

anyone think that Nintendo will bring out a new system in a few (3+) years? Seriously. Sony said the PS3 will be around for about 10 years, so PS4 is out in 7 or maybe 6 years (if they follow the PS1/2 trend) MS said about the same didnt they? But in 4 years or so, imagine how trick the PS3/360 games are gonna look/sound when next to the weaker Wii. I don't see why the 'next' gen all has to begin at once, I would love for them to be staggered out so I don't get the urge to drop $1000+ in one month :p

but thats just me.


edit: heyy i got an avatar now! *sniff* finally I fit in.

[takao]

anyone think that Nintendo will bring out a new system in a few (3+) years? Seriously. Sony said the PS3 will be around for about 10 years, so PS4 is out in 7 or maybe 6 years (if they follow the PS1/2 trend) MS said about the same didnt they? But in 4 years or so, imagine how trick the PS3/360 games are gonna look/sound when next to the weaker Wii. I don't see why the 'next' gen all has to begin at once, I would love for them to be staggered out so I don't get the urge to drop $1000+ in one month :p


well i guess within 4-5 years all consoles will be in for a replacement

after all 360 launched 4 years after the xbox (even less in europe)
console life cycles have generally be decreasing over the last years

after all the next generation graphic chips are just around the corner .. within 1-2 years PC gaming will be back at the graphic throne like it always were (Crysis anyone ?)

[Phobophobia]

I'm not convinced that Miyamoto actually said this. For PR purposes, he would NEVER say that the system is basically a GC.

this interview has been translated. the result is all meaning has been lost. not only has it been translated badly but the translator XComp (XBox) is basically about as biased as you can get.

[sikkinixx]

after all the next generation graphic chips are just around the corner .. within 1-2 years PC gaming will be back at the graphic throne like it always were (Crysis anyone ?)

lol 1 or 2 years? Try like next wednesday or whenever ATI/nVidia decide that the world needs YET another $600 gfx card that makes everything else crap:D

[Paranoidmarvin]

It may have just a slightly faster CPU and small amounts of RAM, but the RAM is 1T-SRAM, which has a huge bandwidth compared to the 360 or PS3 and it has a really good GPU.
And perhaps the rumors of an independant PPU and sound processor could mean it has a bit more oomth

All I know is that I will be buying one!

[MacRumorUser]

lol 1 or 2 years? Try like next wednesday or whenever ATI/nVidia decide that the world needs YET another $600 gfx card that makes everything else crap:D

Exactly the reason I left pc gaming behind. I got tired of buying a $600 graphics card so I could play games at v.high. only 3-6 months later to have to drop setting on new titles to high, and and 6-12 months later - medium.. aghhhhhhhh

It also makes a lot of developers lazy as they just rely on new graphics cards to improve the graphics, whereas with a console after a couple of years they constantly try and push the hardware as far as it can go and a far less wasteful....

Though now my mac pro has shipped i may feel the temptation to get crysis ;) :D

[sikkinixx]

.

Though now my mac pro has shipped i may feel the temptation to get crysis ;) :D

yeah but then you need the new DX10 gfx cards which will be $600 and you have a PS3, Wii and games to buy, on top of ya know...spending money on life lol

Okay! I can't resist this.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/735/735577p1.html

Look at the covers... Look at the games... So...kiddy it almost hurts... if it wasn't for Zelda (totally awesome cover) and my boy S.A. rockin the Madden 07 cover...yeeeesh (and yes I realize this isn't a true sampling of Wii games and that big kids will play Wii too but come on, Look at the Tony Hawk cover then look at the one on 360/PS3 and tell me they aren't marketing to different demographics)

[MacRumorUser]

yeah but then you need the new DX10 gfx cards which will be $600 and you have a PS3, Wii and games to buy, on top of ya know...spending money on life lol

:( damn straight back down to earth ;) :D

[MoonCow]

that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. i'm definatly not excited about the wii anymore.

they really need to pay attention to graphics, before now i thought wii was going to be amazing, now i think it's just a gamecube with a fancy controller..

which is what it is.:eek:

[Dagless]

that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. i'm definatly not excited about the wii anymore.

they really need to pay attention to graphics, before now i thought wii was going to be amazing, now i think it's just a gamecube with a fancy controller..

which is what it is.:eek:

Have you been looking at screenshots or videos? it's certainly beyond the Cube. its certainly beyond anything last gen, some games in 480p look the same as certain 360 games I've come across. it just can't do them in higher resolutions is all.

If the power has let you down then don't get one. I gotta say it's a silly reason myself as the first thing Nintendo said about the Rev/Wii was "graphics do not matter" and have constantly banged on about "it's only twice as powerful as the Cube" and various 3rd party leaks.

[plinkoman]

that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. i'm definatly not excited about the wii anymore.

they really need to pay attention to graphics, before now i thought wii was going to be amazing, now i think it's just a gamecube with a fancy controller..

which is what it is.:eek:

umm, hey, why don't you read a few posts in this thread. wii = cube does not mean it is the same power; it means same architecture.

all that was meant by that is that all the same dev kits can still be used; just like with a computer. If a newer faster cpu is released; it can run all the same stuff the previous slower version can.