10.2.5 OS X

[MacRumors]

Mac OS X 10.2.5 is now available in your software update:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25405 details improvements.

[mod edit] Any reference to 'First Post!' will get deleted. Its not a contest folks. [/mod edit]

[Mudbug]

But GOSH! 39.9 Megs is pretty big for an update. (thinks back to the last update and can't remember size...) :)

[iJon]

i hope its good, looks like it will be.

iJon

[NavyIntel007]

It's about damn time!

[jxyama]

Kewl... Now, someone go out and try this to see if the battery life on PB improves or not. :D

[rog]

I advise downloading the combo update to minimize problems. It made a difference for me with 10.2.4

[DakotaGuy]

Getting it right now for the iBook will put it on the iMac when I get home from school. If any issues come up I will let you know....

[iJon]

looks like we can now use microsoft bluetooth mice and keyboards, anyone care to try before my friends goes back and buys it again.

iJon

[MacsRgr8]

No problem installing.
The Automatic Update Check was put back on again, though.
No issues yet!

[Mac til death]

Originally posted by Mudbug
But GOSH! 39.9 Megs is pretty big for an update. (thinks back to the last update and can't remember size...) :)

Actually I think that's about the same size at the 10.2.4 update which was 40 as well.

Originally posted by foniks2020
first post... ;-p

or maybe not



Anyway... I hope this fixes my date problems and refrains from leaving me any new surprises.

[mnkeybsness]

any word on 10.2.5 server?

i was hoping that it would be co-released so that my friend and i might be able to fix his server problems

[noverflow]

Originally posted by iJon
looks like we can now use microsoft bluetooth mice and keyboards, anyone care to try before my friends goes back and buys it again.

iJon


Mine works fine... i cant get the 3rd and 4th buttons to work though


BTW i only have the mouse

But it was super easy to set up

Im happy
this is all i wanted from this update

[foniks2020]

Anyways, update went fine, no problems. Took about ten minutes with optimization, etc. and restart.

[Steamboatwillie]

After I installed the update it swapped my monitors: left went to the right and vice versa. A quick visit to the preferences pane fixed it though.

I was hoping that the code contained some hybrid mutative soft genome that would "grow" dual 970's in my dual 1.25 box. >sigh< One can dream...

[maradong]

yup. it s nice it has been published. Just one remark. What the hell has the apple server got for connection. A friend of mine got about 600 kb sec ! thats so cool. With some thousand people downloading the update, the server is still able to send 600 kb to one user...
:D :confused: so cool ;)

[Tiauguinho]

Finished DLing the update for my PowerMac. It works fine and no problems at all. Downloading it now for the powerbook and hoping that it will solve the battery problem. BTW, the build is 6L29 on mine.

[jelloshotsrule]

The 10.2.5 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: AirPort, Bluetooth, Classic compatibility, FireWire, Graphics, Image Capture, Mail, and OpenGL.

The update includes improvements to AFP, web services, dial-up connections over PPP, and Windows file services, as well as audio, disc recording, graphics, and printing improvements.

The update also provides updated security services and includes the latest security updates.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website:

http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n25405

[goobus]

Just installed it on both of my titaniums and i am using airport without a base station and now all websites load. If somebody else had the problem where sherlock didn't work or sites like macrumors didn't load, that is now fixed. I also noticed that my range is up for airport. Also i heard people haveing battery problems before this update but i haent' noticed any differnce in my battery life. But this actually seems to be a very useful update.

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by maradong
yup. it s nice it has been published. Just one remark. What the hell has the apple server got for connection. A friend of mine got about 600 kb sec ! thats so cool. With some thousand people downloading the update, the server is still able to send 600 kb to one user...
:D :confused: so cool ;)

kb=kilobit KB=KiloByte mb=megabite MB=MegaByte
600kb is actually very little. Thats less than 10 x 64k modem. 600KB is more than halv a MegaByte. The most I have got with my connection is 1.2 MB/sec (MegaByte).

The apple downloads always goes superfast :) I love them!

[idkew]

no problems here so far.

[alset]

I want to update badly. I have high expectations of this little boost to fix all the problems 10.24 introduced, but I promised myself I'd wait to see that 10.25 doesn't bring other users to their knees. Please, I beg of everyone, post any issues, no matter how small.

Dan

[Maclicious]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
600kb is actually very little. Thats less than a 64k modem. 600KB is more than halv a MegaByte. The most I have got with my connection is 1.2 MB/sec (MegaByte).

The apple downloads always goes superfast :) I love them!

The most I ever got with a 64K modem was about 56-58kb second. One of us is obviously on crack :-).

[EponymousCow]

Originally posted by maradong
yup. it s nice it has been published. Just one remark. What the hell has the apple server got for connection. A friend of mine got about 600 kb sec ! thats so cool. With some thousand people downloading the update, the server is still able to send 600 kb to one user...
:D :confused: so cool ;)

One word: AKAMAI.

Basically, Akamai has tons of servers all over the place and they route your connection to the closest server.

[Mudbug]

First - as for the updates, the one I can notice right off the bat is connecting my mac to the Windows machines in my office. SMB connections are at least twice and quick, and the response over the network is as if the network drives are local to the machine. That beats the tar out of doing it in 10.2.4.

Second - Apple's servers are on akamai.net's backbone, which is an OC-12 line (or multiple of those... I dunno...) That's the equivalent of roughly 50MB/sec (that's BYTES, not BITS) line speed per line, distributed among multiple download servers. The faster your line speed and number of simultaneous connections, the faster you can download.

I've got a cable T-3 connection, and can repeatedly download from them a cool 3 megabits/sec uninterrupted. That's pretty quick for things like this. My download took approx 3 minutes, with another 3 for optimization.

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by Maclicious
The most I ever got with a 64K modem was about 56-58kb second. One of us is obviously on crack :-).
Why man? I was so on my way to rip this guy apart with my extreme kb-KB knowledge :p

I first quoted the wrong dude so I couldn't rememeber if he wrote 60 or 600kb :)

[phgreer]

Is this going to mess up my customized apache file like it did last time?

[3G4N]

anyone having problems with Apache?

It says it is loading at startup, but it's not
listed in top. Web Sharing isn't checked
in the Sharing Pref pane, and when I try
to start it, it just sits there. I can't get it
to start. I can go on...

Is anyone else having Apache problems?

[F/reW/re]

First notice: Mail show's my mails much, much faster.
iBook 500MHz, 384 RAM.

[phgreer]

Originally posted by 3G4N
anyone having problems with Apache?

It says it is loading at startup, but it's not
listed in top. Web Sharing isn't checked
in the Sharing Pref pane, and when I try
to start it, it just sits there. I can't get it
to start. I can go on...

Is anyone else having Apache problems?


Uh oh. this is sounding like last time. I had customized my apache to work with php and set up my own default directory. It took me over a day to fix everything.

You would think in 2003 something like Apache would have a user friendly interface of configuring stuff.

[3G4N]

Originally posted by phgreer
Is this going to mess up my customized apache file like it did last time?

my config files have old mod dates, but I can't get Apache started to check that everything (php, etc) still works.

[BubbaTAC]

You guys who are using the blutooth stuff from MS, is that with or without their dongle? I am considering getting it, but not if I have to have something hanging off my machine, thats what I got a 12" with bluetooth for. Let me know!


I am really hoping the release a BT ergonomic

Originally posted by noverflow
Mine works fine... i cant get the 3rd and 4th buttons to work though


BTW i only have the mouse

But it was super easy to set up

Im happy
this is all i wanted from this update

[DakotaGuy]

WOW...I have always noticed small improvements in speed in my older G3 Macs, but after updating my iBook 600Mhz, it for the first time feels truly fluid and things are about as smooth as they can be on a 600Mhz G3. I am excited to get home and see how it works on the iMac 400. I have to give Apple credit, they have made OSX work MUCH better on older G3's and G4's over the past year or so. Thank you for remembering people that can't buy the newest thing every few months.

There are several improvements on the interface, I can feel the difference, do not hold out, get this update! I can tell it is a good one. Mail feels much better, Networking is better much quicker connect with the servers. I hope it will also fix a problem I had with my iBook not wanting to pick up an IP from the server once in awhile at the schoool. I guess we will have to see about. Good update, we will see if it is good enough to keep us going until next fall and Panther....

[lou tsee]

these are my first observations:

1. Networking is A LOT faster - in my case
AFP over airport (11). e.g. (dis)connecting, browsing server-volumes in finderetc.

2. sound is MUUUCH more resposive! at last!....

I'm sure there is a lot more to it...

[JupiterZen]

Originally posted by Mudbug
But GOSH! 39.9 Megs is pretty big for an update. (thinks back to the last update and can't remember size...) :)

No ... 39MB isn't very big at all. Windows 2000 or XP service packs are almost always around the 100MB.

And Novell Netware service packs are around 250 to 300 MB these days.

So this 39MB really is a steal ;)

[law guy]

Just did a combo update for my 1.42 - 80 something megs. That's a chunky update... could stand a fork up in it. Seems a little livelier. Haven't opened up everything to root around for problems, but that said, no noticeable problems thus far. Here's hoping there aren't any.

[Steamboatwillie]

Hmm, after the update my cheap-ass USB enclosure (with a hard drive in it) doesn't mount. I am going to try reinstalling the drivers. I'll post my results

[ibookin']

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
WOW...I have always noticed small improvements in speed in my older G3 Macs, but after updating my iBook 600Mhz, it for the first time feels truly fluid and things are about as smooth as they can be on a 600Mhz G3. I am excited to get home and see how it works on the iMac 400. I have to give Apple credit, they have made OSX work MUCH better on older G3's and G4's over the past year or so. Thank you for remembering people that can't buy the newest thing every few months.

There are several improvements on the interface, I can feel the difference, do not hold out, get this update! I can tell it is a good one. Mail feels much better, Networking is better much quicker connect with the servers. I hope it will also fix a problem I had with my iBook not wanting to pick up an IP from the server once in awhile at the schoool. I guess we will have to see about. Good update, we will see if it is good enough to keep us going until next fall and Panther....

After seeing this post I can't wait to update my iBook 800. Though it has Quartz Extreme and feels really nice already, while downloading in Safari the "fluidness" is reduced noticably.

45/81.9MB... downloading in Philosophy while listening to lecture on Hobbes' Social Contract Theory :D I love Airport.

[3G4N]

Yeah, something is wrong with 10.2.5, Apache, and my iBook.

At boot/startup, OSX says it is starting up Apache.

Web Sharing is unchecked (even though it was checked before installing 10.2.5, and even though I turn it on, lock the prefs, wait, and eventually restart.) If I try to turn on Apache, it just sits there like a bump-on-a-log. Waited 30 minutes before finally giving up and restarting.

I can "sudo apachectl graceful", and it says "httpd started", but it doesn't show up in top or ps.

If I point my browser at http://127.0.0.1/ I get "can't find server". Oddly enough, though, I can still point my browser at my QTSSadmin (http://127.0.0.1:1220/) and it works!!?!!

And maybe I missed this before, but I get a quick "?" folder icon, and a quick MacOS folder icon (detecting startup disk) before boot. Is that new?

[puffmarvin]

the ONLY thing i lost when i updated was that the display changed from millions of colors to thousands. big deal... 2 seconds in sys prefs/displays and it was fixed.

mail seems a little bit faster. i have many folders and subfolders set up which is off an imap server which is never quick. idisk mounts MUCH faster and unmounts just as quickly. i like it. classic also starts up about twice as fast as it used to.

now i only wish they would update isync so i can sync my P800!! cmon apple!!

[madforrit]

MOSR claims they've received reports of better 3d game performance due to the OpenGL update. Can anyone verify this?

[puffmarvin]

Originally posted by 3G4N
And maybe I missed this before, but I get a quick "?" folder icon, and a quick MacOS folder icon (detecting startup disk) before boot. Is that new?

quick fix for this:
go into system preferences... choose startup disk and then click on your os x system folder.

cheers. :)

[ibookin']

Originally posted by 3G4N
Yeah, something is wrong with 10.2.5, Apache, and my iBook.

At boot/startup, OSX says it is starting up Apache.

Web Sharing is unchecked (even though it was checked before installing 10.2.5, and even though I turn it on, lock the prefs, wait, and eventually restart.) If I try to turn on Apache, it just sits there like a bump-on-a-log. Waited 30 minutes before finally giving up and restarting.

I can "sudo apachectl graceful", and it says "httpd started", but it doesn't show up in top or ps.

If I point my browser at http://127.0.0.1/ I get "can't find server". Oddly enough, though, I can still point my browser at my QTSSadmin (http://127.0.0.1:1220/) and it works!!?!!

And maybe I missed this before, but I get a quick "?" folder icon, and a quick MacOS folder icon (detecting startup disk) before boot. Is that new?

Uh-oh. Maybe I shouldn't update now. I'm working on something and testing it using Apache/PHP/MySQL on my iBook. Did EVERYONE have this problem?

[MacFan25]

I'm getting ready to download it. I've got dial-up, so its probably going to take a while.

[backspinner]

Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny
Uh-oh. Maybe I shouldn't update now. I'm working on something and testing it using Apache/PHP/MySQL on my iBook. Did EVERYONE have this problem? I have no problem with apache so far, after updating

[kylos]

Anybody know the actual url? I want a .dmg so I can load it on computers w/ only dial-up.
It's not linked yet on the support page.

[Blackcat]

All okay here. I installed them from stuff at http://www.entropy.ch/

[pcp_ip]

apache is fine. apple didn't touch the httpd.conf this time...


and last time- you know they just backed it up, right? you could have easily put your httpd.conf back in place and php and your tweaks would have been fine.

/private/etc/httpd/httpd.conf.applesaved

is the backup apple makes before laying down a new config

[Steamboatwillie]

Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
Hmm, after the update my cheap-ass USB enclosure (with a hard drive in it) doesn't mount. I am going to try reinstalling the drivers. I'll post my results

Ok, got the USB Drive working after reinstalling the driver and unpluging it before a reboot.

Also lost my Canon Canoscan LiED 30. Had to install new drivers (a quick download from thier website) and it seems to be working now.

I'm about to fire up Apache/MySQL/PHP and see what happens...

More later

[howard]

sweetness, is my weakness (give it to me!)

thats what i'll be singing if this fixes my ibooks battery problem

[Steamboatwillie]

Originally posted by Steamboatwillie

I'm about to fire up Apache/MySQL/PHP and see what happens...

More later

Apache/PHP/MySQL is working fine on my G4!

Good luck to others having problems

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Mudbug
But GOSH! 39.9 Megs is pretty big for an update. (thinks back to the last update and can't remember size...) :)

I think 10.2.4 was 43 something and 10.2.3 was 51 something, so 10.2.5 is not so bad, even if it did take around 2 hours for dialup.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
kb=kilobit KB=KiloByte mb=megabite MB=MegaByte
600kb is actually very little. Thats less than 10 x 64k modem. 600KB is more than halv a MegaByte. The most I have got with my connection is 1.2 MB/sec (MegaByte).

The apple downloads always goes superfast :) I love them!

Not quite...there is no k, it's only K.

Kb=kilobit
KB=kilobyte
Mb=megabit
MB=megabyte
mb=millibit
mB=millibyte

[j33pd0g]

Things that have occurred to me since the update to 10.2.5:

#1. Minimizing my favorites window to the dock caused a kernel panic.

#2. Trying to connect to a server on the network (Via connect to server...) did in fact cause a kernel panic. *I have been able to reproduce this. It happened while minimizing the connect to server window. Hey, so maybe #1 was a result of this.

3. Boot up is faster. However, what ever application I use first opens quickly but unresponsive for about 15 seconds. I get the spinning wheel of rainbow death!

I am running 10.2.5 on a 350 g4 with 512 mgs of ram. I did not have these problems with 10.2.4. So apple is either trying to make owners of older macs buy new ones by gumming up the system, or there is something wrong with my update. BTW I had not made any third-party system software modifications.

I will install the combo update and let anyone know if that solved my problem.

[CrackedButter]

I might get this now after discovering that it has a fix for the reseting of the time, leaving it at 1970.

My iBook does this, however, i am on version 10.2.1 and its a hefty 89 megs.

I would buy the CD as i don't mind paying but i cannot get it from the Apple Store yet!

Bugger...

[Awimoway]

After updating and restarting, my clock went back to Dec. 31, 1969, even though this was supposedly fixed in this update (in fact, I didn't have the problem the first time). But a quick reset based on the network time server and now all is well.

[Windowlicker]

it still didn't fix a problem with audio: I've got a Griffin iMic, but I'm using it for input only, so the audio output option seems to screw things up:
If I log out and then log back in later, the sound controller keys no more work if I don't reset my sound controller in the sound preferences :P
disturbing.

[foniks2020]

If you're using SSL for https via libssl.so

BE WARNED!

make a copy of your libssl.so binary found at

/usr/libexec/httpd/

after running the update you will need to rename the new one Apple installs and re-copy the old one back.

This worked for me.

I had this same problem with the last security update.

It may be that you will only need to re-create your ssl.key and ssl.cert files I haven't tried as yet.

Any other thoughts?

[Vroem]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
#2. Trying to connect to a server on the network (Via connect to server...) did in fact cause a kernel panic. *I have been able to reproduce this. It happened while minimizing the connect to server window.

How the hell did you do that? Minimizing the connect to server window is impossible on my computer.

[jaesk8er]

I dont know if any one has had this problem (well not realy a problem) I have a 667 Ti and when I upgraded to 10.2.5 it pushed my buttons all together only in iPhoto no other program. iPhoto seams to be running fine. Just to tell you all.

[notkevin]

Originally posted by phgreer
Is this going to mess up my customized apache file like it did last time?

I didn't have a problem with apache, it didnt modify the config file and it started up fine, and I have multiple vhosts, my own compiled versions of php and webdav.

[bryanc]

Originally posted by bousozoku
Not quite...there is no k, it's only K.

mb=millibit
mB=millibyte

My understanding of SI is that 'milli' is 10^-3.

How can one have one onethousanth of a bit (or a byte, for that matter)?!?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

[jaesk8er]

http://home.attbi.com/~edington/iphoto.tiff

Has any one else seen this???

[srobert]

Installed on 2 different G4s... Got kernel panics on both. First time I ever had kernel panics and I've been using OS X since 10.0

Ish... let's hope it was just a streak of bad luck.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by Vroem
How the hell did you do that? Minimizing the connect to server window is impossible on my computer.


Oh, I left out a detail... after hitting the connect button a smaller dialog box appears... if you minimizie that window... bam! kernel panic. Does this happen to anybody else? Maybe my network is messed up... but it was working fine before. Don't you think if it can't find the server it should just say something like: Cannot connect to server?

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by jaesk8er
http://home.attbi.com/~edington/iphoto.tiff

Has any one else seen this???

I photo 2 does that on mine... I have not used it mutch... so I don't know if it was like that before the update.

[howard]

nope it doesn't fix the problem with the ibooks battery and going into sleep at about 80%...dammit!!

[foniks2020]

Go here to get a working copy of libssl.so and a brief synopsis of what you may be experiencing:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?13@197.Kfd3aHhnkuO.20@.3bc116cc/3

[QCassidy352]

I'm not seeing anything about it helping ibook/ PB batteries... but I'm gonna dl it and test now.

ooh, reading the above about the battery makes me not want to try it... but I will anyway cause I'm hooked on upgrades. :D

[3G4N]

thanks puffmarvin, that helped.

As for my problems with Apache, they might somehow to be related to Marc Lynage's (sp?) PHP package, WebDAV, and Expat. Marc's page (http://www.entropy.ch) is down, so I'm guessing he might have updated to 10.2.5 and his Apache too is suffering.

I found a suggestion on O'Reilly's website to move the WebDAV AddModule below/after the PHP AddModule, but no dice.

Commenting out the WebDAV Add and LoadModules in httpd.conf fixed it.

I'll add it back later when/if I ever use/need it.

[MorganX]

Significant improvement in browsing. No more Server not found DNS errors. I thought it was Safari.

Pretty good update. I'm really looking forward to the next public beta of Safari.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by phgreer
Uh oh. this is sounding like last time. I had customized my apache to work with php and set up my own default directory. It took me over a day to fix everything.

You would think in 2003 something like Apache would have a user friendly interface of configuring stuff. Checkout a program called webmin. It may be what you're looking for.

:cool:

[foniks2020]

Originally posted by foniks2020
If you're using SSL for https via libssl.so

BE WARNED!

make a copy of your libssl.so binary found at

/usr/libexec/httpd/

after running the update you will need to rename the new one Apple installs and re-copy the old one back.

This worked for me.

Any other thoughts?

having done some more looking in to this one I found a reply to a post I placed on MacOSXHints.com here Mac OS X Hints article (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030402004719491)

There is a final solution for most people in the comments.

[Chad4Mac]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
I photo 2 does that on mine... I have not used it mutch... so I don't know if it was like that before the update.

Definitely did not do that before. It looks real tacky to me, out of place even.

Who knows...

Chad4mac

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by phgreer
Uh oh. this is sounding like last time. I had customized my apache to work with php and set up my own default directory. It took me over a day to fix everything.

You would think in 2003 something like Apache would have a user friendly interface of configuring stuff.

Actually from what I remember reading from the last time this happened to everyone your custom config is not gone. It's simply archived and placed in a different location. Where? I don't remember you will have to search for it.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by bryanc
My understanding of SI is that 'milli' is 10^-3.

How can one have one onethousanth of a bit (or a byte, for that matter)?!?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

You're right, of course, but it's written so often, it must be real. :D How many times have you seen someone write something like "it's huge, it's 180mb"?

Of course, how are they really stored on those really really small transistors? :D (Maybe they're stored in millibits.)

[jholzner]

Originally posted by Macrumors
Mac OS X 10.2.5 is now available in your software update:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25405 details improvements.

[mod edit] Any reference to 'First Post!' will get deleted. Its not a contest folks. [/mod edit]

It's just for fun...I don't do it but sheesh...doesn't seem like that big a deal. I suppose this post will get deleted too.

[DakotaGuy]

Yep, the stoplight buttons are now close together on iPhoto2, it is not a big deal, maybe just something they are experimenting with... I am not sure if any other programs do it...

[hrashid]

imovie's got the close buttons too.

i don't have idvd, but if it has it as well, i'm guessing it will be in the revision of itunes.

wonder if it means anything?

ichat, ical and the current itunes are immune.

[DakotaGuy]

I ran xBench with 10.2.5 on my little iMac DV and found that overall my score (don't laugh) with 10.2.3 was 33.51 and with 10.2.5 it is 34.96. What suprised me was that in the CPU area my score went from 33.92 (10.2.3) to 40.89 (10.2.5). That improvement is a lot for a little 400Mhz computer like mine. Do you think OS would have anything to do with a better CPU score? Nothing else has changed on the computer (320MB of memory). Disk test improved from 40.37 to 45.52 and again nothing changed, I actually have a little more HD space used up now then I did before. Graphics stayed the same except for a little improvement in OpenGL (about a frame a second)

I would be interested in hearing anyone with better machines and see if they see CPU and disk improvement as well. If nothing else has changed maybe 10.2.5 is a little more efficient.

Also, one last thing? Why did 13 people rate this as being negative??? I always think free updates are a positive thing!

[arn]

Originally posted by jholzner
It's just for fun...I don't do it but sheesh...doesn't seem like that big a deal. I suppose this post will get deleted too.

The problem isn't just one "First Post".

It's the five "First Posts" that invariably get posted... then the responses to those first posts... and the fact that suddenly there re 5-10 off-topic posts in the first page of the thread.

Much like this post. I only post this to explain to readers. And yes, in any other situation, your post would be deleted as well. Please send further responses on this topic to me in a Private Message or post it in the community section. Further posts on this topic in this thread will be deleted.

arn

[alset]

Originally posted by bryanc
My understanding of SI is that 'milli' is 10^-3.

How can one have one onethousanth of a bit (or a byte, for that matter)?!?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

Think if I said I had a 1.5KΩ resistor. This would be 1500Ω. Now think if I said I am runnng 1mA (milliamp) or current through it. This would be .001A. Translate that to 100,000mB. This would represent 100 bits. I don't know why you would list it that way, but that's how I figure you'd use it.

Dan

[drastik]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
I ran xBench with 10.2.5 on my little iMac DV and found that overall my score (don't laugh) with 10.2.3 was 33.51 and with 10.2.5 it is 34.96. What suprised me was that in the CPU area my score went from 33.92 (10.2.3) to 40.89 (10.2.5). That improvement is a lot for a little 400Mhz computer like mine. Do you think OS would have anything to do with a better CPU score? Nothing else has changed on the computer (320MB of memory). Disk test improved from 40.37 to 45.52 and again nothing changed, I actually have a little more HD space used up now then I did before. Graphics stayed the same except for a little improvement in OpenGL (about a frame a second)

I would be interested in hearing anyone with better machines and see if they see CPU and disk improvement as well. If nothing else has changed maybe 10.2.5 is a little more efficient.

Also, one last thing? Why did 13 people rate this as being negative??? I always think free updates are a positive thing!

Having the same processor in my pismo powerbook, I feel a little snappier, but I haven't run x-bench yet. I'll try it out and see

xbench results just over 35, a cuple points higher than previously

[alset]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
Oh, I left out a detail... after hitting the connect button a smaller dialog box appears... if you minimizie that window... bam! kernel panic. Does this happen to anybody else? Maybe my network is messed up... but it was working fine before. Don't you think if it can't find the server it should just say something like: Cannot connect to server?

I must be missing something - I still can't get it to work. I tried the Connect window, the Login window and the Volume window. No minimize possible.

Dan

Edit - I have had improved networking, since we are on the sunject, witht the exception of my AirPort flaking out. I'll post more as it comes.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
After I installed the update it swapped my monitors: left went to the right and vice versa. A quick visit to the preferences pane fixed it though.

I was hoping that the code contained some hybrid mutative soft genome that would "grow" dual 970's in my dual 1.25 box. >sigh< One can dream...

Are they doing that again with multiple monitors?

I worked with developer support for a few weeks with the 10.1 beta after they had done something silly. I guess it doesn't matter so much if it's so easily correctable, but it shouldn't happen anyway.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
I ran xBench with 10.2.5 on my little iMac DV and found that overall my score (don't laugh) with 10.2.3 was 33.51 and with 10.2.5 it is 34.96. What suprised me was that in the CPU area my score went from 33.92 (10.2.3) to 40.89 (10.2.5). That improvement is a lot for a little 400Mhz computer like mine. Do you think OS would have anything to do with a better CPU score? Nothing else has changed on the computer (320MB of memory). Disk test improved from 40.37 to 45.52 and again nothing changed, I actually have a little more HD space used up now then I did before. Graphics stayed the same except for a little improvement in OpenGL (about a frame a second)

I would be interested in hearing anyone with better machines and see if they see CPU and disk improvement as well. If nothing else has changed maybe 10.2.5 is a little more efficient.

Also, one last thing? Why did 13 people rate this as being negative??? I always think free updates are a positive thing!

The speed difference you are seeing with XBench is well within the error potential. Rerunning XBench at different times after startup after running other apps, simply the time of the month (montly, weekly tasks haven't been performed) can have a degree of factor in XBench. Also are you running the same version of XBench that you tested with prior to the upgrade? Another factor is the upgrade prebinds all the apps and the system therefore fixing possible binding problems. All in all a good way to look at XBench is as an approximate score rather then an exact score. From my experience unless the overall score is +/- more then 5% I ignore the difference.

[Bob Knob]

The last update messed up mounting MicroDrives (and some flash media) when using PC adapters. This really sucked when trying to get 1GB of pictures out of a camera, using USB is just too slow. But this update makes me a happy camper... the drive mounts, launches iPhoto, and imports at great speeds.

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
Yep, the stoplight buttons are now close together on iPhoto2, it is not a big deal, maybe just something they are experimenting with... I am not sure if any other programs do it...

Yah, so I noticed a little interface fiddling too, but more than that my iPhoto loads with less beach ball time.

(iBook 600 with 640MB RAM)

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by alset
I must be missing something - I still can't get it to work. I tried the Connect window, the Login window and the Volume window. No minimize possible.

Dan

Edit - I have had improved networking, since we are on the sunject, witht the exception of my AirPort flaking out. I'll post more as it comes.

This window... when i minimize this... bam.. kernal panic.

[Duff-Man]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
This window... when i minimize this... bam.. kernal panic. Duff-man says....I just tried it....no panic here....oh yeah!

[tablecloth]

Hello.

After updating to 10.2.5 I am no longer able to drag anything to the applications folder, or drag anything out.

I get the error message: "The item 'xxx' could not be moved because 'Applications' cannot be modified."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Scott

[Duff-Man]

Originally posted by tablecloth
Hello.

After updating to 10.2.5 I am no longer able to drag anything to the applications folder, or drag anything out.

I get the error message: "The item 'xxx' could not be moved because 'Applications' cannot be modified."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Scott Duff-man says....try using "disk utility" in your utilities folder and running the repair permissions utility.....oh yeah!

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by tablecloth
Hello.

After updating to 10.2.5 I am no longer able to drag anything to the applications folder, or drag anything out.

I get the error message: "The item 'xxx' could not be moved because 'Applications' cannot be modified."

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Scott


I don't have that issue.

[swpalmer]

Is there supposed to be a new version of Mail?

My Mail says 1.2.5 (v552) after the update, I didn't check it before. But oddly in the System Profiler utility it says Mail was last modified in Nov 2002.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by swpalmer
Is there supposed to be a new version of Mail?

My Mail says 1.2.5 (v552) after the update, I didn't check it before. But oddly in the System Profiler utility it says Mail was last modified in Nov 2002.

Yes mail was modified to improve foreign language use and to improve mutiple server access.

My old version is 1.2.3 (v551)

This list of updates comes from versiontracker.com and seems to be the most complete and detailed.


What's new in this version:


Bluetooth Setup Assistant now works with certain Microsoft keyboards and mouse devices.
Includes Bluetooth support for Nokia 7650 and P800 phones.
Improves compatibility for discs burned with certain Panasonic consumer burners.
Adds Image Capture support for Canon EOS 10D, ZR65, and ZR 70 cameras.
Adds disc burning support for several device-LaCie d2 DVD Multi U&I Drive and d2 CD-RW 52x24x52x, Visual Frontier COHH-B1-A48 and COSP-B1-C24, MacPower Cold Chisel 24x12x24x8x, and these BUSlink devices: FW5252FM FireWire 52x24x52x CD-RW drive, FW4848FM FireWire 48x12x48x CD-RW Drive, RW4040FM FireWire 40x12x40 CD-RW Drive.
Addresses an issue in which domain name lookups could fail if the DNS server responded with a very large reply packet.
Improves the way that LDAPv3 connections time out when idle.
Addresses a potential data loss issue that could occur when copying certain files to an SMB volume.
Addresses issues with Internet Sharing when certain types of DSL or cable modem connections are shared.
Improves security by resolving an issue in which a guest could gain read access to the contents of a shared Drop Box folder remotely.
The Internet preference pane can now store .Mac passwords that are up to 32 characters long.
Addresses an issue in which some Apple internal modems could not establish or maintain a connection to certain Scandinavian Internet service providers
Improves Mail's selection of character encoding for messages sent in these languages: Arabic, Bulgarian, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian.
Improves Mail responsiveness for accounts configured with multiple POP servers, when the servers are unavailable.
Addresses an issue in which an application could unexpectedly quit when printing, if /tmp was missing or unavailable.
Addresses an issue in which a damaged GIF file, such as a Web site graphic, could cause an application to unexpectedly quit.
Addresses an issue in which certain PICT graphics could not be displayed.
Addresses an issue in which the date may unexpectedly be set to 1969 or 1970 during startup.
Addresses an issue when using the Hanin input method for Traditional Chinese in which Carbon applications could unexpectedly quit if a modifier key (such as Control) was pressed when no text insertion point was available.
Addresses an issue in which Classic fails to start ("Error 1016") when applications available to a non-Admin user are restricted.
Addresses an issue in which the Classic environment could become unresponsive after placing a Classic application's save confirmation dialog box in the background.
Addresses an issue in which using the Command-Option-Shift-Q key command would immediately quit the Classic environment.
Improves the reliability of AppleEvents traffic (inter-application communication) between software running in the Classic environment and native Mac OS X; addresses an issue in which a user might not be able to logout after using a Mac OS 9 version of America Online (AOL).

[ebow]

Anyone experiencing kernel panics on a G3 iMac? If not, I'll try to get some carefully controlled before/after XBench numbers (never tried xbench before).

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by jaesk8er
http://home.attbi.com/~edington/iphoto.tiff

Has any one else seen this???

yeah, thats new. i dont mind it so far.

[Scab Cake]

I don't know about you guys, but iCal won't launch for me since I've installed the 10.2.5 update. Anyone else having a problem like this?

[Awimoway]

Not me, but then I haven't had most of the problems listed here. It's kind of funny how everyone's computer has its own set of quirks. Almost as if they have their own personalities.

[MacBandit]

For most people a fresh install from the ground up will cure there problems. I find with each update that my system performs much better if I just reinstall the system. It's really not all that big of a deal. Yes it can be time consuming on a slow connection if you haven't saved your updaters but you don't have to download all the updates it will simply give you the combo update when you fire off Software Update.

Most people will find that there system has been running slow and that doing the fresh install fixes all sorts of things that have been bugging them but just thought were problems caused by this or that program or update.

[macdong]

Oodly, the update set my time back to year 1969...

[ebow]

All's fine on my G3 iMac... no sign of kernel panics or anything. iCal and all my normal apps works. No date reset. And the traffic light widgets in iPhoto look amateurish.

I ran Xbench before and after updating from 10.2.4 to 10.2.5. I updated prebinding before running the first tests, and restarted as well. I restarted after updating (a second restart after the required one).

I have a G3 iMac, 500MHz, 640MB RAM, and numerous background processes that I didn't bother to quite (e.g. Snard, Searchling, YoupiKey, etc.)

A few of the numbers...
Before / After
Overall 41.51 / 41.58
Quartz Graphics 51.14 / 51.36
User Interface 45.08 / 44.03
Disk Test 40.79 / 42.46
Conclusion: It didn't do a heck of a lot performance-wise, technically. Still, it feels a bit snappier, but that's probably effects of the reboot and prebinding.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by macdong
Oodly, the update set my time back to year 1969...

That's when they started working on the first UNIX. :)

[mangis]

the update has caused my lombard to work much faster. Now giving up tho0ught of new 12 inch powerbook. Talk about an update savng you money!

[benixau]

only problem with mine is that i had to restart my mac. But then that is to be expected :D

really, machine is snappier, iPhoto/iMovie look disgusting as previously mentioned and thats about it.

all is goood on an overclocked powermac. sorry i cant help with those battery questions though. ill go buy an ibook and pbook to help :D

[spotwhite]

PB-G4 No Problemas!!!:D

[breadiu]

Originally posted by alset
I want to update badly. I have high expectations of this little boost to fix all the problems 10.24 introduced, but I promised myself I'd wait to see that 10.25 doesn't bring other users to their knees. Please, I beg of everyone, post any issues, no matter how small.

Dan

in 10.2.4, the dvd window would go grey whenever i resized or changed apps. (i would have to "wipe" the window with the controller window to get the vid to appear, whatever the controller went over turned from grey to the actual video, until i resized or changed apps) now, it works fine when resizing or changing apps, but when it's playing or paused, some of the text in the apps in the foreground appears to be see through. i can actually see what the dvd player is playing through the text. i guess this is better than not being able to use my remote to resize.

[ian559]

I just updated my 12" powerbook. Seems great. Everything working. I am charging the battery now to see if battery last any longer. Mail is lots faster.

[ian559]

Anyone else xbench your 12" powerbook after the update. I think mu results stink

Results 53.03
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.5
Physical RAM 256 MB
Model PowerBook6,1
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 867 MHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.3
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 534 MHz
Bus Frequency 134 MHz
Video Card GeForce4 MX
Drive Type TOSHIBA MK4021GAS
CPU Test 56.52
GCD Recursion 53.84 2.10 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 57.26 192.98 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 54.77 2.97 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 60.71 2.73 Mops/sec
Thread Test 32.53
Computation 31.61 254.68 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 33.50 420.51 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 67.38
System 55.93
Allocate 63.30 21.34 Kalloc/sec
Fill 53.20 305.04 MB/sec
Copy 52.51 262.53 MB/sec
Stream 84.72
Copy 82.50 360.75 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 85.98 375.11 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 88.83 404.18 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 81.96 360.12 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 65.44
Line 65.85 1.68 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 75.84 5.34 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 76.53 1.76 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 60.26 654.79 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 54.42 887.10 chars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 64.95
Spinning Squares 64.95 45.45 frames/sec
User Interface Test 49.74
Elements 49.74 16.92 refresh/sec
Disk Test 55.76
Sequential 62.10
Uncached Write 53.85 23.50 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 58.44 23.77 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 93.76 14.77 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 55.36 23.88 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 50.60
Uncached Write 43.39 0.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 49.13 11.27 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 53.40 0.35 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 59.09 11.58 MB/sec [256K blocks]

[phgreer]

Well I was the one worried about how Apache would behave after the 10.2.5 update but I held my breath and updated anyway last night. Everything seems to be fine and php is working too. just thought I would report this. I have an iBook, 600 Mhz G3 combo drive.

[AppleMatt]

Well the interface *seems* smoother, especially genie effect, fading out of menus is faster but more jumpy however.

What I have noticed is that I have 40MB more free RAM? What did they do to make that happen? :confused:

ian559: Try running the 3 optimization routines and see if that helps.

AppleMatt

[AppleMatt]

Ok because I'm slow I've just realised the smoother interface could well be due to the extra free RAM...

...but still, has anyone else gained this much?

AppleMatt

[TiWarrior]

Updated to 10.2.5 this morning. So far the only bug is that I can't get rid of the language flag icon (International) in the menu bar. This was also a problem for me in 10.2.4.

TiWarrior

[groov']

I lost networkconnectivity with samba to my PC's starting OS 10.2.4 (the other way around worked and still works fine).

Now OS 10.2.5 didn't fix that. New is that I now at least get an error message:

error = -5000

Anyone else?

[Scab Cake]

Hmm...

Well, I reinstalled iCal and it's working fine now. I know I was working in it when I was doing the 10.2.5 upgrade. Maybe something happened. Thanks for the feedback.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by TiWarrior
Updated to 10.2.5 this morning. So far the only bug is that I can't get rid of the language flag icon (International) in the menu bar. This was also a problem for me in 10.2.4.

TiWarrior


Okay, if you can't hold the apple key down and click and drag it off the menu bar then go to System preferences. In system preferences click the International pane and then select the input menu tab. Once there you should see a bunch of flags make sure that the only flag selected is the one for your native language/country. I assume that's the US but I could be wrong.

[Steamboatwillie]

After the update I had a weird glitch happen. I can't remember what i was doing but two icons in the dock looked like tv static. As soon as I moused over them it went away. Hasn't happen before or since. Bizzaro!

[Stelliform]

I installed 10.2.5 and so far I am pleased. I am having a problem with Outlook (In Classic). I think Classic boots faster, and my other classic apps work great. Outlook just cannot see my server.

It isn't a big deal since I don't use it that often. I just need to figure it out since I am moving a client to OS X and they need Outlook.

[mikentosh]

Originally posted by ebow
Anyone experiencing kernel panics on a G3 iMac? If not, I'll try to get some carefully controlled before/after XBench numbers (never tried xbench before).

I am having the same problem. I have a G3 iMac 500 with 512 ram. It will boot and I can do just about anything so far, and then it panics after 5 minutes. Or it can sit idle from boot for 5 minutes and panic.

[j33pd0g]

When I download stuff to the desktop in the mail app, the object of my DL is placed on the top left hand side, part of it kind of hiding under the finder bar. Text clippings dragged to the desktop do this too. Anybody else?

[Mr. MacPhisto]

iBook 700 with 640MB of RAM and combodrive - no problems whatsoever. Things feel snappier and Safari seems a bit faster with fewer errors. Never have had any battery problems and still don't.

[n1rgelus]

On my G4 iMac, I've had to give it a hard restart twice now after the 10.2.5 update. First I had a "you must press the restart button" message whilst running the SETI@home screensaver, with error code "FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF" etc. Next was when the screen sleep kicked in ... wouldn't wake up.

My own fault for "rushing out" and installing it ... just like how I lost my DSL after 10.2.4.

Grrrr!:mad:

Twice bitten by these "updates" ...

[AppleMatt]

Taking a look at all the comments here, versiontracker and macfixit, I think it's safe to say there will be a 10.2.6

- ducks :eek:

AppleMatt

[joker2]

Just updated a 350 MHz Indigo iMac, and a 366 MHz blueberry iBook. No problems whatsoever.

I did run disk utility and repaired permissions on them both last week, so maybe that had an effect :)

[Mr. G4]

Originally posted by Maclicious
The most I ever got with a 64K modem was about 56-58kb second. One of us is obviously on crack :-).

The most got is 800K on campus here. :)

[mikentosh]

For those having kernal panics, I found an article at apple discussions that recommended unplugging your usb hub. I unplugged mine and have not had a crash yet (30 min.)

[JW Pepper]

Originally posted by TiWarrior
Updated to 10.2.5 this morning. So far the only bug is that I can't get rid of the language flag icon (International) in the menu bar. This was also a problem for me in 10.2.4.

TiWarrior

that's easy set the US language to on close it. Re-open it and set the US to off and it will go away.

[yogi477]

Originally posted by ian559
Anyone else xbench your 12" powerbook after the update. I think mu results stink



Well I just did the same and got 73.04 so I dunno wot is goin on with your system there but your altivec scores were half mine which seems wierd.

[abelincolnjr]

I updated this morning and as soon as I tried to
burn a CD, i got the following message.

"You have inserted a disk that contains no
volumes that OSX can read to continue with
the disk inserted click ignore"
(ignore button) (eject button)

followed by a nice crash of disk copy...

1st gen 17' iMac 800 mhz 768 megs ram

Anyone else having this problem?

[movabi]

While most upgrades have been very smooth, this one really has hosed my system. It starts up like normal, but minutes into working I get in 5 languages that i need to restart the computer. That's all I get... there is some number at the bottom but hell if I know what it means... I'm away on business so I can't tell you the number. I'm wondering if anyone else is having any similar problems. I am using 3 haxies from unsanity... fruitmenu, xounds, and windowshade... I also use dragthing but thats all. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this problem? It seems like when I launch an app is when it freezes.:confused:

would appreciate any ideas.

thanks:)

[wfb4]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
[B]After I installed the update it swapped my monitors: left went to the right and vice versa. A quick visit to the preferences pane fixed it though.

Same thing happened to me, it took a little head scratching, as I normally hide my doc on the right side of the screen. When the computer came up after the restart, not only could I not find the dock, I couldn't move the curosr onto the other monitor in the usual screen to screen direction. After a few moments of panic, I "unhid" the dock using "System Preferences:Dock" saw where it was, on the right side of the other monitor, decided to look at "System Preferences: Displays: Arrangement" and swapped the position back to where the two monitors actually were and everything behaved fine.

Another issue: the upgrade to 10.2.5 killed my Wacom Intuos tablet driver. I amd using what they have on their web site as their latest: 4.7.5-6. It doesn't load at startup and the tablet doesn't work.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by wfb4
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
[B]Another issue: the upgrade to 10.2.5 killed my Wacom Intuos tablet driver. I amd using what they have on their web site as their latest: 4.7.5-6. It doesn't load at startup and the tablet doesn't work.

I bet reinstalling the drivers will fix it. That or simply repairing disk permissions but I would just reinstll first.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by movabi
I am using 3 haxies from unsanity... fruitmenu, xounds, and windowshade... I also use dragthing but thats all. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this problem? It seems like when I launch an app is when it freezes.:confused:

would appreciate any ideas.

thanks:)


Remove any system hack or modifier. These are the most common hangup with new system updates and more then likely you will have to wait until the hack has been updated to be compatible with the latest release.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by abelincolnjr
I updated this morning and as soon as I tried to
burn a CD, i got the following message.

"You have inserted a disk that contains no
volumes that OSX can read to continue with
the disk inserted click ignore"
(ignore button) (eject button)

followed by a nice crash of disk copy...

1st gen 17' iMac 800 mhz 768 megs ram

Anyone else having this problem?

What you are seeing is how a Kernel Panic is presented in 10.2.

Do you have any external devices plugged-in besides the apple keyboard and mouse? If so unplug them and try again. If it still continues I recommend the doing the system reinstall that saves your prefs and updating from a freshly installed system.

[TiWarrior]

Originally posted by JW Pepper
that's easy set the US language to on close it. Re-open it and set the US to off and it will go away.

Done that mate!

If I look in the languages menu, there is a British and American flag. If I go to customise, the American flag isn't ticked. Ticking then un-ticking gets rid of the menu flag, but it's back again after restart:mad:

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by TiWarrior
Done that mate!

If I look in the languages menu, there is a British and American flag. If I go to customise, the American flag isn't ticked. Ticking then un-ticking gets rid of the menu flag, but it's back again after restart:mad:

Stupid and probably not likely to fix it but have you tried repairing your disk permissions? They have an odd effect on seemingly unrelated issues sometimes.

[trypma]

I also had kernel panics immediately after upgrading to 10.2.5 using Software Update. I could at most get 5 minutes of operation before failure, and a required power-off and reboot. Since the kernel panic message mentioned USBHub in the software stack, I thought I'd disconnect my extra USB (2.0) hub with iMic, printer, UPS and Palm connector. The system then kept running long enough for me to download the OS X 10.2.5 Combo updater and re-install 10.2.5 from this.

So far, the system is stable, with USB hub unconnected, but it still fails within 5 minutes when the hub is re-connected. Now I need to wait for a fix or downgrade, painfully I suspect.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by trypma
I also had kernel panics immediately after upgrading to 10.2.5 using Software Update. I could at most get 5 minutes of operation before failure, and a required power-off and reboot. Since the kernel panic message mentioned USBHub in the software stack, I thought I'd disconnect my extra USB (2.0) hub with iMic, printer, UPS and Palm connector. The system then kept running long enough for me to download the OS X 10.2.5 Combo updater and re-install 10.2.5 from this.

So far, the system is stable, with USB hub unconnected, but it still fails within 5 minutes when the hub is re-connected. Now I need to wait for a fix or downgrade, painfully I suspect.

My belkin hub has given no such problems. I'm not sure based on your post but did you do a fresh install of 10.2 and then do the combo update on that?

[TiWarrior]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Stupid and probably not likely to fix it but have you tried repairing your disk permissions? They have an odd effect on seemingly unrelated issues sometimes.

Just done that to no effect. Maybe this is some government thing to get me all patriotic :D

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by TiWarrior
Just done that to no effect. Maybe this is some government thing to get me all patriotic :D

I performed a system install and updat today. Just so I would have a fresh system with the new update. I do this every time with every update since it really prevents slow downs and potential errors due to the update on a used system. I really recommend it since it is completely painless and really doesn't take all that much time. This would most likely fix your flag problem too.

[prewwii]

Originally posted by alset
I want to update badly. I have high expectations of this little boost to fix all the problems 10.24 introduced, but I promised myself I'd wait to see that 10.25 doesn't bring other users to their knees. Please, I beg of everyone, post any issues, no matter how small.

Dan

Waiting is a good choice Dan. My normally rock soild QuickSilver is acting like PC these days since installing 10.2.5. I have experienced several system and applications crashes. Disk Doctor, Disk Warrior, Jaguar Cleaner, fsck, First Aid have not slowed the crashing as yet.

I have looked on some other forums and there are lots of folks telling my story. There is come converstation about devices on USB ports causing the problem. I have two, a Epson 890 and a Lexar SmartMedia reader. Otherwise this a real plain Jane QuickSilver.

My recommendations is to wait on this upgrade until the fix is in.

[cyclist]

I just downloaded and installed 10.2.5 and Safari beta 2. Nothing seems faster after I rebooted; in fact, Safari appeared a little sucker-punched on startup, and Ghost Recon quit on me mid-game (I started an already saved game. saved before the 10.2.5 update), then would not let me start subsequent games. I don't get it.


Cyclist
:(

[ozubahn]

Originally posted by bryanc
My understanding of SI is that 'milli' is 10^-3.

How can one have one onethousanth of a bit (or a byte, for that matter)?!?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

The millibit makes plenty of sense as a measure of information, but isn't especially useful for everyday storage. A millibit is what you have if you know that a certain event occurred, provided that the event in question has approximately a 99.93071% chance of occurring in any given test. A millibit doesn't tell you much. :)

Here are some details: http://iul.cs.byu.edu/450/F96/node12.html

[MacBandit]

To anyone with problems after the update. Reinstall OSX. It's not a big deal just quit complaining about your problems and do it. It took me all of 30 minutes to do the other day. After you do that reapair disk permissions and you will be suprised how things will fly. No hang-ups, glitches, or bugs just smooth as silk for me.

[nakavori]

I got a very strange effect after installing 10.2.5. Now, when I try to print an MS Word for OS X doc, with an inserted PICT file, it prints the figure in mirror image. I'm working around it at the moment by saving that page as a pdf and printing that (which comes out correctly, but with lowered resolution).

I know that one of the fixes had to do with presentation of PICTS, but this is too weird.

anybody have any ideas?
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[MacBandit]

Originally posted by nakavori
I got a very strange effect after installing 10.2.5. Now, when I try to print an MS Word for OS X doc, with an inserted PICT file, it prints the figure in mirror image. I'm working around it at the moment by saving that page as a pdf and printing that (which comes out correctly, but with lowered resolution).

I know that one of the fixes had to do with presentation of PICTS, but this is too weird.

anybody have any ideas?
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Delete your printer drivers and there preferences and reinstall them.

[nakavori]

Umm, how do I delete and reinstall the printer drivers?

Is this on the Word or the OS X side of things?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by nakavori
Umm, how do I delete and reinstall the printer drivers?

Is this on the Word or the OS X side of things?

What kind of printer do you have?

[wfb4]

Re: OS 10.2.5 upgrade killing my Wacom Intuos tablet drivers:

Originally posted by MacBandit
I bet reinstalling the drivers will fix it. That or simply repairing disk permissions but I would just reinstll first.

That is exactly right. I e-mailed Wacom tech support and they answered back in 2 days. This is what they said:

"Good afternoon-
___ They once again changed a number of things in the latest OS._ What I would do just to be clean about the tablet driver is go to the GO menu > Applications > Wacom > and run the "remove Wacom" then restart your system, and download and install the latest tablet driver._ This is the cleanliest way and tends to circumvent other issues of trying to repair an install._"

I did that, and my tablet works again.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by wfb4
Re: OS 10.2.5 upgrade killing my Wacom Intuos tablet drivers:



That is exactly right. I e-mailed Wacom tech support and they answered back in 2 days. This is what they said:

"Good afternoon-
___ They once again changed a number of things in the latest OS._ What I would do just to be clean about the tablet driver is go to the GO menu > Applications > Wacom > and run the "remove Wacom" then restart your system, and download and install the latest tablet driver._ This is the cleanliest way and tends to circumvent other issues of trying to repair an install._"

I did that, and my tablet works again.


Not to gloat or anything but you heard it here first.:)

[nakavori]

Originally posted by MacBandit
What kind of printer do you have?

an HP Laserjet 2100 TN, via ethernet connection.

btw, thanks for this help!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by nakavori
an HP Laserjet 2100 TN, via ethernet connection.

btw, thanks for this help!

Here's the latest print driver for your laserjet.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?locale=en_US&lang=English+%28US%29&pnameOID=14918&basePartNum=lj609&locBasepartNum=lj-5646-5&os=Mac+OS+X&tech=Driver

If the driver has an uninstall feature use that first then reinstall. If not just try reinstalling it for now and see if it works.

[prewwii]

Originally posted by ebow
..........

I ran Xbench before and after updating from 10.2.4 to 10.2.5. I updated prebinding before running the first tests, and restarted as well. I restarted after updating (a second restart after the required one).

I have a G3 iMac, 500MHz, 640MB RAM, and numerous background processes that I didn't bother to quite (e.g. Snard, Searchling, YoupiKey, etc.)

A few of the numbers...
Before / After
Overall 41.51 / 41.58
Quartz Graphics 51.14 / 51.36
User Interface 45.08 / 44.03
Disk Test 40.79 / 42.46
Conclusion: It didn't do a heck of a lot performance-wise, technically. Still, it feels a bit snappier, but that's probably effects of the reboot and prebinding.

I had all kinds of problems after installing 10.2.5. After multiple sessions with Disk Doctor, Disk Warrior, Jaguar Cleaner, First Aid I can finally run over night without a crash of eith the system or an application.

So today I thought I would run Xbench and see where the performance is before and after. Here are a few of the numbers from on my Quicksilver

........................ 10.2.4 / 10.2.5
Results ..............84.77 / 63.81
cpu.....................94.23 / 57.96
quartz................99.23 / 72.12
open gl.............106.44 / 64.82
user interface.....94.64 / 50.96

The slow user infterface seems to explain the dog slow, jerky dock performance.

How does this compare?[list=a]

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by prewwii
I had all kinds of problems after installing 10.2.5. After multiple sessions with Disk Doctor, Disk Warrior, Jaguar Cleaner, First Aid I can finally run over night without a crash of eith the system or an application.

So today I thought I would run Xbench and see where the performance is before and after. Here are a few of the numbers from on my Quicksilver

........................ 10.2.4 / 10.2.5
Results ..............84.77 / 63.81
cpu.....................94.23 / 57.96
quartz................99.23 / 72.12
open gl.............106.44 / 64.82
user interface.....94.64 / 50.96

The slow user infterface seems to explain the dog slow, jerky dock performance.

How does this compare?[list=a]

Do a fresh install of 10.2 using the archive install feature then run software update and run all the updaters.

This should fix all your probelems.

Also get rid of Norton Utilities. It will cause more problems then it will fix in OSX.

[Kikumomo Edoko]

<<Originally posted by abelincolnjr
I updated this morning and as soon as I tried to
burn a CD, i got the following message.

"You have inserted a disk that contains no
volumes that OSX can read to continue with
the disk inserted click ignore"
(ignore button) (eject button)

followed by a nice crash of disk copy...

1st gen 17' iMac 800 mhz 768 megs ram

Anyone else having this problem?



We're having the same problem with our Powermac G4. I can't do a clean install from my Jaguar disk - cos it won't read it. When I installed 10.2.5 it STOLE!! my iCal. I'm having Airport connectivity problems. Gettting odd problem messages. And unfortunately I only know the extreme basics of using computers.

I've never had such problems - OS9 was wonderful - I see that now. I am relieved that I am not the only one with these problems. Misery likes company.

And how sad that my first post here is a whinge!!

:D <<-- big optimistcal smile.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Kikumomo Edoko
<<



We're having the same problem with our Powermac G4. I can't do a clean install from my Jaguar disk - cos it won't read it. When I installed 10.2.5 it STOLE!! my iCal. I'm having Airport connectivity problems. Gettting odd problem messages. And unfortunately I only know the extreme basics of using computers.

I've never had such problems - OS9 was wonderful - I see that now. I am relieved that I am not the only one with these problems. Misery likes company.

And how sad that my first post here is a whinge!!

:D <<-- big optimistcal smile.

To do a fresh install off the 10.2 disc either insert the disc at the login screen or insert the disc when in the finder and click the ignore button. Then chose restart and hold the C-Key down during start up. This will boot the computer off the 10.2 disc. Chose the archive installation option. After it's done run software update and install all the updates. You will then have to restart and you will want to run software update again to get the rest of the updates. This should fix all of your problems.

[Kikumomo Edoko]

Thanks Macbandit. I shall try that now. If you don't hear from me, you know it's died completely.


Oh dear I'm rapidly losing faith.
:rolleyes:

[maradong]

Originally posted by Kikumomo Edoko
Thanks Macbandit. I shall try that now. If you don't hear from me, you know it's died completely.


Oh dear I'm rapidly losing faith.
:rolleyes:

it s not worth loosing the faith, you ll get it, i m sure. :) ( crossing my fingers )

[Kikumomo Edoko]

Well, it wouldn't boot from the disk. wouldn't even acknowledge it. My other half did a full disk repair from his powerbook via firewire -- no joy.

We've ordered an external cd drive. I'm hoping it's just that the drive has gone. It is 3 yr old almost. People keep reminding me that Mac's aren't indestructable - and I want to know WHY!!!

lol - i shall return if the new drive doesn't work.


Thanks for all the support peeps xxxxxxx

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Kikumomo Edoko
Well, it wouldn't boot from the disk. wouldn't even acknowledge it. My other half did a full disk repair from his powerbook via firewire -- no joy.

We've ordered an external cd drive. I'm hoping it's just that the drive has gone. It is 3 yr old almost. People keep reminding me that Mac's aren't indestructable - and I want to know WHY!!!

lol - i shall return if the new drive doesn't work.


Thanks for all the support peeps xxxxxxx

I've never had a CD drive fail. You know you could always start your computer up as the Target disk using Target disk mode then reinstall OSX from the other computer.

[Kikumomo Edoko]

:p

YAY!!!!!!! Got a new CDRW - works fine.

Thanks for the support - I'm regaining my faith!


xxxxxxx