Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro

[MacRumors]

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Today Apple released the Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro (Apple Store (http://www.dailytunes.com/applestore.php)).

Apple today announced that its entire MacBook(TM) Pro line of notebooks now includes the new Intel Core 2 Duo processor and delivers performance that is up to 39 percent faster than the previous generation. All MacBook Pro models now offer double the memory and greater storage capacity than the previous generation, as well as a FireWire(R) 800 port for connecting to high-speed peripherals

The long awaited upgrade brings the Core 2 Duo processor to Apple's professional laptops. Prices remain the same and the specs are as follows:

15" MacBook Pro, 2.16GHz, 1GB, 120GB HD, $1999.
15" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz, 2GB, 120GB HD, $2499.
17" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz, 2GB, 160GB HD, $2799.

The new MacBook Pros will be available from the online Apple Store (http://www.dailytunes.com/applestore.php).

[ digg this (http://www.digg.com/apple/Apple_Releases_Core_2_Duo_MacBook_Pro) ]

[AdeFowler]

Here comes the moaning.......... ;)

[BlizzardBomb]

As expected really. Shame about no graphics card update, but it's better than no upgrade at all.

Now next year, we want HD screens Apple ;)

[Katharine]

anything for macbooks? please?

[splintah]

well that was about time

good to see the ram bumb
rest was expected

hopefully they changed the hdd replacement
and the heat issues


looking foward on the macbook release
hopefully with gma x3000 graphics

[DWKlink]

against other manufacturer's offerings both spec and pricewise?

[gkhaldi]

Everything I wanted. Larger storage, much more memory and FW800.

Apple, you're the 1 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[nick004]

anyone got benchmarks??? :)

[ifjake]

as expected? 2GB RAM as standard configuration for the upper two is a little more than I expected.

[rdowns]

I hereby declare an end to all the "Waiting for Moron" threads.

[Chimera]

Good little speed upgrade, though many will complain about no Mag latch or easy access HD bay. Hopefully I should be getting one soon. :)

[BlizzardBomb]

as expected? 2GB RAM as standard configuration for the upper two is a little more than I expected.

Just noticed that. Support for up to 3GBs too! Interesting.

[Chimera]

I hereby declare an end to all the "Waiting for Moron" threads.

We've alreaddy seen threads entitled "Waiting for Santa Rosa" though, I think this will be a never ending cycle under intel. :(

[atari1356]

From the press release:

"up to 39 percent faster than the previous 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro"

Really? I'd like to see those benchmarks... nice that they finally added FW800 back into the 15" model.

[belair]

Would anyone happen to know if they changed the case design.

The apple store is still down…

The 17 inch looks almost affordable, almost.

[zimtheinvader]

woohoo, I'm finally gettin one! goodbye by 12" PB....

[TBR]

If the prices havn't changed as mentioned above then this may make some people who were thinking of getting macbooks justify paying the extra for the pro, it seems more worth while now. I was in that position in june but I went for the Macbook.

[RedTomato]

Very Very Tempted.

Time to put my repaired and working perfectly G4 PB 15'' on sale I think.

Any takers? (London, UK)

[meepm00pmeep]

i mean for everyone who waited this long, Santa Rosa is coming up soon, so why not wait for that as well? i say get what you need when you need it... there will always be newer tech down the line

[The Maestro]

wahoooooooo

i better get my card out

[Platform]

Nothing much, but a nice update...C2D, Drives (Optical and HDD's) :D

[Chundles]

FW800 on both sizes.

200GB HDD (at 4200rpm) available.

Good initial RAM 1GB on lower models, 2GB on high end ones.

Everything else seems pretty much the same.

[Unorthodox]

What's taking santa rose so long?

[tvguru]

FW800 on both sizes.

200GB HDD (at 4200rpm) available.

Good initial RAM 1GB on lower models, 2GB on high end ones.

Everything else seems pretty much the same.

C2D

Can't forget the thing people have been screaming about. Isn't it nice to find this stuff out before 4am Chundles?

[Surf and Turf]

Santa rosa platform is where it's at

[icrew]

For me, the biggest news is the 3GB of RAM and 200GB of disk that's available now--frankly the 2GB in my MBP-CD (Core Duo--how are we going to distinguish them now?) is a bit anemic, especially for running Parallels and PowerPC apps simultaneously.

(At least I'll finally get my boss to order one, so I can play with one of the new ones....)

Edit: Can't seem to add the new 15 to my shopping cart from the edu (College/University Proposal) store--just get:
"Your session has timed out after a period of inactivity. Please return to the Store Menu to continue shopping." I can add other items to the cart from that store, so it's just something that's screwed up. Sigh. Guess I should just go back to bed and wait awhile!

Ian

[emotion]

Finally. Return of FW800 is welcome.

As I expected no revision to form factor, just a chip bump. Santa Rosa will be when they make them black and have the magnetic latch and easy access HD :).

[jaigo]

Santa rosa platform is where it's at


Oh pipe down. I am ordering this as soon as possible. And I will get a discount (student) :D

[Chris Bangle]

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=A2AF143F&nplm=MA598Z%2FA


Flight charger adaptor added

[atari1356]

We've alreaddy seen threads entitled "Waiting for Santa Rosa" though, I think this will be a never ending cycle under intel. :(

Yeah, and forget the 8 core Cloverton... now we're waiting on 16 cores with Tigerton: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4659

It sure beats Motorola/IBM's PowerPC slow update schedule. ;)

[killmoms]

Don't forget, the 15" now has a dual-layer DVD burner too! God, I remember all the moaning about that not being in there when it debuted.

[andiwm2003]

i knew i should have had a large salad for breakfast.

[Whistleway]

Solid upgrade. Kudos Apple.

[timnosenzo]

Nice update. Some really nice to have features, but I'm not totally depressed about buying my 2.16ghz MBP 3 months ago (not that I could have waited, really).

[thefunkymunky]

The Mac in my sig is now up for sale.:rolleyes: :p

[Platform]

Flight charge...thats nice...maybe because of the recent sony flame batteries.

200GB drive is good, but @4200rpm...:eek:

[lmalave]

anything for macbooks? please?

What I'd like is the base MacBook to drop to $999 and the base mini to drop to $499. That's what the G4 versions cost before they were replaced by the Intel versions.

[RichP]

Just as I said and expected, only minor changes. I think its great Apple is giving 2GB of memory in standard configs, that is hopefully a sign of things to come in the pro line overall.

[reflex]

Wonderful update. I hope the 160GB upgrade isn't too expensive, but 1GB standard and starting at 120GB are more than I expected or even hoped for.

I was also still doubting if I should get a MB or MBP, but that question has been settled today.

[Lollypop]

im glad they returned FW800 to the 15inch model.

Nice processor upgrade as well, and the 3 gig memory options are great, makes the macbook pro (i actually typed powerbook the first time around.. still not use to it) a serious condender again for the pro apps like apperture and final cut, it use to be very hard to get away with just one mobile mac without a tower for the power but the new revision really looks great!

[ebow]

We've alreaddy seen threads entitled "Waiting for Santa Rosa" though, I think this will be a never ending cycle under intel. :(

Intel just needs to start working on a line of chips codenamed Godot now. :rolleyes: :D


Would anyone happen to know if they changed the case design.

The apple store is still down…

The 17 inch looks almost affordable, almost.

Store's back up now; the case looks exactly the same aside from the additional FW800 port on the 15-inch model.

The 17-inch model is exactly as affordable as it was, no more, no less (assuming the purchaser's cash/credit situation hasn't changed).

[Am3822]

I've had a look in their 'seven times faster' stuff -- what's the point of comparing a CD 2.16 to C2D 2.33? Apart from that, assuming that it wouldn't spit flames through the vents or sound like a Harrier at take off, I intend to buy one.

[djkny]

And they delayed this update by 6-8 weeks for ... ?

Would/Should we have waited if we knew then what we know now and will know in the future ?
:(

[shecky]

one thing i am very pleased about is that the stock 17" has all the specs i need (i will get more RAM elsewhere, not from apple, and not yet) 2GB RAM, 160GB HD, 2.33 C2D so now i do not have to CTO from apple, i can just go buy it in store.

the only things i wish for more of would be a higher-end video card and easy access HD bay. other than that i am pleased.

[Cue]

Basically what the MBP 15'' ought to be right from the start, right?
1Gb of Ram, DL, FW800. Apart from the Core 2 Duo ofcourse.

[uv23]

Yay! Great range of updates considering the price hasn't changed. I've officially given upon ever seeing a 13" MBP so I'll be picking up the high end 15" very soon.

Slightly off-topic: does anyone have an opinion on getting software (in this case logic express) preinstalled? Is there any benefit or would it be better to just buy the app seperately?

[CPTMONK]

the 15inch hasnt got a 7200 hard drive will that really matter cause im gonna buy it and i do video editing but the 17 is too big

[Am3822]

Any news about the latch/hd?

[Fearless Leader]

well i'm still happy with my core duo mbp. the three months i had it v.s. the supposed "39%" speed bump should even out by the time i need a new one.

side note: if i was crazy, could i put one of those dvd drives in my mbp also the new 200gb HD will it fit? anyone know?

[dornoforpyros]

haha, of course, and I bought on saturday :p
I'll decide what to do later, I'm well within the 14 day return obviously, but I'm also not too keen on returning the laptop and waiting a few more weeks for a new one to arrive in Canada.

[Kelmon]

Will buy the 17" version just as soon as the store will take my order...

Anyway, at least this wait is now over!

[reflex]

In case it wasn't posted yet: the 15" superdrive now does dual layer again. And FW800 is back.

[CPTMONK]

why doiesnt the 15ich have 7200 hard drrivew?

[aristobrat]

Any news about the latch/hd?
Looks like the same ole latch on the pictures...

[ipodrocker]

wow! im so happy apple does it again fresh updates and now the superdrive supports DL burning!! and speed is up to 6x not bad, 1gb ram as standard is good too ** and FW 800

[peeInMyPantz]

what happened to radical new design?

[Chimera]

I think it is £50 cheaper for the base model in the UK

[tny]

Slightly off-topic: does anyone have an opinion on getting software (in this case logic express) preinstalled? Is there any benefit or would it be better to just buy the app seperately?

The only benefit it gets you is the time savings of not having to install it yourself - and of being able to jump right in and use it when you get the machine.

[aly]

I'm about to get my card out and spend spend spend!!! I was going to get the 17" due to the fw800, DL superdrive and screen space of course. Now I wonder, the 15" is attractive being that bit smaller. Anyone got any comments on either? Still like the screen on the 17" but I'm thinking 15" would be a bit more portable.

[Fearless Leader]

finally apple makes 1gig a standard basic option. 512mb just doesn't make the cut.

[tmphoto]

Apple's headline: "...Seatbelts Sold Separately."
Bad marketing, seatbelts suggests crashing.

[Squonk]

Although I'd love a new enclosure with the HD swapability of the MB, I didn't think this round of updates would include that. Besides, I'm thinking that when the MBP form factor changes significantly with new latch, HD swapping, etc, we'll see Steve on stage for that one!

I'm pleased with this update - more RAM (lot's more than expected, thanks apple!!!), decent HD options (for my needs - only $100 more to upgrade to the 160GB/5400 - I'm good with that), and FW800 returns to the 15".

Thanks Apple. Now I'll patiently wait for refurbs of these (6-8 weeks) and I'm ordering. Or, should I finally join ADC and get the faster 15" with discount basically gives me one year of ADC for free.... :)

[prady16]

Told ya! :D
More RAM, faster and newer processor, FW800 port all at the same price!
The wait was worth it! :)

[shecky]

what happened to radical new design?

not until Santa Rosa - summer 2007.

im happy with this though, a proven design that has the bugs worked out. as far as i am concerned this is not a new Rev A which i would be wary of buying.

i was tottally sold on the 17" before this update, but now that the 15" has nearly identical specs OTHER than an extra FW port and the bigger screen i am debating getting the 15 and using the extra $ to a 23" external display. hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Squonk]

Apple's headline: "...Seatbelts Sold Separately."
Bad marketing, seatbelts suggests crashing.

I hear you. Maybe, this means installing Windoze is optional... he he he ;)

[petemitchell2k4]

What about those of us that bought MBP's in August? The upgrades weren't in the forcast! Ugh, I really hate it when this happens!

[freeny]

haha, of course, and I bought on saturday :p
I'll decide what to do later, I'm well within the 14 day return obviously, but I'm also not too keen on returning the laptop and waiting a few more weeks for a new one to arrive in Canada.
Id return and get the faster one. It will suck until it arrives but once you got it youll be thanking yourself.

I am 5 days out of the exchange after grabbing one a few weeks ago.... Oh well.

[zenvision]

FINALLY!

ordering a 2.33ghz/2gb ram/160gb hd/matte 15.4"

been waiting since july for this :D

[peeInMyPantz]

is the applecare more expensive now? or is it the same? I didn't take notice previously.. but it looks really expensive now

[thereubster]

I think it is £50 cheaper for the base model in the UK
yep nice little price drop and spec bump combo
old >> New
Core Duo 2.0 >> Core 2 Duo 2.16
512Mb >> 1GB
80Gb HD >> 120Gb HD
4xDVD-R >> 8xDVD-R
>> FW800
and £50 cheaper, very tempted:)

[MacVault]

Here comes the moaning.......... ;)

Yea... WHERE THE [censored] ARE THE MACBOOKS?! I want a Core 2 Duo MacBook, not MacBook Pro :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Dont Hurt Me]

Apples moving forward, kind of neat after all the years of stagnation. 2 Big updates in 1 year vs a minor hiccup after 1 year. This is good stuff.

[lmalave]

against other manufacturer's offerings both spec and pricewise?

In terms of specs, here's what you can get in an HP Pavilion dv6000t for $1263:

Windows XP Media Center
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7200 (2.00 GHz)
15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen!!
256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400
Built-in Microphone + Webcam
1.0GB DDR2 SDRAM (2x512MB)
120 GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
8X DVD+/-R/RW w/Double Layer Support

But the HPs are definitely NOT slim computers like the MBPs (you can go check them out at Best Buy). I don't know of any PC makers that are producing anything as slim as the MBPs, so it makes comparisons hard. But in terms of "specs", there you have it. Interestingly, the HPs even offer integrated webcams now, so I was actually able to spec the above computer to something very, very close to the MBPs. I couldn't find an option for integrated Bluetooth, though...

[duklaprague]

I'm probably not as hard core as a lot of you guys, but it seems a pretty good update to me.

The low end MBP is now £1349 in the UK, that's a better spec than what £1699 would have got me yesterday. 1GB RAM finally as a starting point, HD up from 80 to 120 - things that I would have tried to stretch to the £1699 model until now.

I'm probably not looking to replace my trusty G4PB until next year anyway - but I'm happy enough to see those pennies going further with each revision.

The G4PB cost me £1999 back in Jan 04.

Iain

[Chundles]

Yea... WHERE THE [censored] ARE THE MACBOOKS?! I want a Core 2 Duo MacBook, not MacBook Pro :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Probably next week, Apple like to get as much press as they can. This way they can stretch out the news reports.

[Pressure]

I think we finally can call the MacBook Pro line competitive with Dell and the rest now ;)

Not that they already weren't :)

[nick004]

Whats the shipping times?

[sixth]

this is my first mac too...took the plunge and said the heck with it...i messed with osx86 on my thinkpad and i was like..i gotta get the real thing.

did you guys go with the standard shipping or express?
sixth is online now Edit/Delete Message

[JackSYi]

Anyone know if the hard drives are user replaceable?

[reflex]

Whats the shipping times?

3-5 days here.

[duklaprague]

I'm about to get my card out and spend spend spend!!! I was going to get the 17" due to the fw800, DL superdrive and screen space of course. Now I wonder, the 15" is attractive being that bit smaller. Anyone got any comments on either? Still like the screen on the 17" but I'm thinking 15" would be a bit more portable.

15" all the way - unless you really need those extra inches, the 15" is a real sweet spot IMO. the money you save, you can always use to bump up other specs.

Iain

[djkny]

one bit of good news -- the "older" standard 15" MBP refurbs are now only $1449!

[pincho]

what happened to radical new design?
not so radical now is it ;)

[nick004]

Anyone know if the hard drives are user replaceable?

doubt it same case design

[ju5tin81]

Yea... WHERE THE [censored] ARE THE MACBOOKS?! I want a Core 2 Duo MacBook, not MacBook Pro :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Me too!!!! Interesting that they'd spend so much time updating the MacBook web pages as well as the pro, and not put in an upgrade...

Interesting quote from the UK store MBP Buy now :

"Intel Core 2 Duo processor
Powered by two processor cores on a single chip, MacBook performs up to five times faster than the previous generation iBook."

Looks like the copywriters thought they'd be upgraded too... :eek:

They've upgraded the store pages for all the products, not just the MBP...

[CPTMONK]

there is no option of 7200RPM for the 15 inch model

[JackSYi]

3-5 days here.

I got 2-4 days to Ship. 2 Day shipping. Hope it ships by 5pm tomorrow.

[Hertog]

Since I couldn't find it posted yet: not only does the 15" model come with 1 GB standard now, it's also in an 'upgrade friendly' way: 1 x 1 GB instead of 2 x 512. So, if you want to upgrade your memory later, you can do it fully and are not stuck with an extra module.

[aswitcher]

FW800 on both sizes.

200GB HDD (at 4200rpm) available.

Good initial RAM 1GB on lower models, 2GB on high end ones.

Everything else seems pretty much the same.


802.11n pending firmware upgrade...

[ready2switch]

I leave the house to drive to work and I miss all the excitement! Grats to all those who are getting new MBPs today! *jealous* :D

Edit: I just got a chance to look at the upgrades and I'm very excited. For a similar spec in the 17", the C2D is $400 cheaper than its Yonah counterpart would have been. Makes me wish I didn't have to wait until the spring to buy!

17" Spec:

2GB RAM
100GB @ 7200

Yonah: $3099
C2D: $2699

:D

[Willis]

WOW, double memory and larger HD's.. 80-120... thats amazing. Will be interesting to see when the Macbooks get their update next year.

[duklaprague]

Since I couldn't find it posted yet: not only does the 15" model come with 1 GB standard now, it's also in an 'upgrade friendly' way: 1 x 1 GB instead of 2 x 512. So, if you want to upgrade your memory later, you can do it fully and are not stuck with an extra module.

I've currently got a single 1GB stick in a three year old PB - will that be OK to swap into a new MBP?

Iain

[prady16]

Just called up my apple retail store.
The stocks are not in yet. They just noted down my number and will call me once they get it.
I am sure i am 1st on their waiting list as i called them up at 9:05am! :D

[aaronfzr]

is the applecare more expensive now? or is it the same? I didn't take notice previously.. but it looks really expensive now


Applecare is still the same price in the UK, £279 for the 15.4"

[kainjow]

one bit of good news -- the "older" standard 15" MBP refurbs are now only $1449!
Nice find - that's quite a steal :)

[blackstarliner]

Interesting quote from the UK store MBP Buy now :

"Intel Core 2 Duo processor
Powered by two processor cores on a single chip, MacBook performs up to five times faster than the previous generation iBook."

Looks like the copywriters thought they'd be upgraded too... :eek:

They've upgraded the store pages for all the products, not just the MBP...

Good call, other stores are not showing this 'error'.

[deputy_doofy]

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Soon, the little lady can use the PB12" full time.

:D

[bodeh6]

What about those of us that bought MBP's in August? The upgrades weren't in the forcast! Ugh, I really hate it when this happens!

Those who bought their Computer in August should be happy with what they got since that was what was the best available at the time. And what are you talking about not in the forecast? The previous revision was here for just over 6 months. From April 2006 to October 2006. How long do you want Apple to go with out updates?

[gkhaldi]

nch MacBook Pro, 2,33 GHz
Bestelnummer: Z0DQ
3 GB 667 DDR2 - 1x2 GB, 1x1 GB SO-DIMMs 065-6803
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD RW/CD-RW) 065-6625
Breedbeeldscherm met glanzende toplaag 065-6632
Toetsenbord met backlightverlichting (Belgisch) & Mac OS (Internationaal Engels) 065-6629
Gelokaliseerde documentatie 065-6628
Serial ATA-schijf van 160 GB (5400 rpm) 065-6624
2,33-GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 065-6642
Verzendklaar: 5 dagen

Says shipment within 5 days :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Chundles]

I've currently got a single 1GB stick in a three year old PB - will that be OK to swap into a new MBP?

Iain

No, RAM from any PPC Mac won't work in any Intel Mac. Apple use a different type of RAM in their Intel machines and whilst all Intel Macs (aside from the Mac Pro) use the same type of RAM the same isn't true of the old PPC Macs.

Your 1GB stick won't work at all.

[gkhaldi]

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Soon, the little lady can use the PB12" full time.

:D
I just ordered it with 3 GB. I hope the system is not "out of balance" because of the non-even distribution of the memory banks.

[HappyPig]

aswitcher, could you explain a bit more to me what you mean by
"802.11n pending firmware upgrade..." since you're the first to mention this at all? Does anyone know if this new MBP will have 802.11n at all (for the iTV)?

[petemitchell2k4]

Those who bought their Computer in August should be happy with what they got since that was what was the best available at the time. And what are you talking about not in the forecast? The previous revision was here for just over 6 months. From April 2006 to October 2006. How long do you want Apple to go with out updates?


The processor upgrades, not the OS upgrades.

[thereubster]

I've currently got a single 1GB stick in a three year old PB - will that be OK to swap into a new MBP?

Iain
NO, even if it was the last powerbook G4 with DDR2 ram it still isn't compatible, different speed and spd DDR2 dont seem to mix very well. Best to buy a new stick from a reputable store (and remember Apple overcharges for RAM)

[timmillwood]

I cant wait to get mine!!!

I gotta wait to go into uni to order with HE store online

I could order on the phone but online i will get £32 in nectar points, £32 in Tesco points and £10 in Sky points.. so worth waiting for £74 worth of points from all my loalty and credit cards

[Grimace]

2GB of RAM :eek:

Wow, no one saw that one coming!!

[meepm00pmeep]

Nice update. Some really nice to have features, but I'm not totally depressed about buying my 2.16ghz MBP 3 months ago (not that I could have waited, really).

be satsisfied with what you have when you needed it... i got my 17" MBP only 3 weeks ago with no regrets and i love this thing, i don't need all that's there in the update, what i have now will suffice until the next time i need a new computer :D :D :D

[Shadow]

Hmmm...I've never seen a power adapter on a plane, and I flew a few days ago (on a cheapo airline, but still...). Core 2 Duo isnt that much of an upgrade, its "only" 1.4X, which to some people would make a lot of difference but to me it doesnt. Whats that, like a second faster on most tasks? Not worth the wait. Also, whats the word on CPU buzz?

[Mr.Gadget]

Sending my current 17" MBP refurb back on the 14 day satisfaction period. I know it may cost a few bucks... But hey, that is why I went refurb!
Besides, my refurb has the circle on the palm rest defect anyway!
:D

[Yannick]

I've currently got a single 1GB stick in a three year old PB - will that be OK to swap into a new MBP?
Iain

Nope.

[Phil A.]

This is a great update - enough to satisfy people who have been waiting but not so much that I want to junk my 6 month old MBP :D

[Mac-Addict]

2GB of RAM :eek:

Wow, no one saw that one coming!!
Maybe something in the higher models needed 2gb of ram.. Or apple is just being its kinds self and giving us 2gb instead of 1gb to make us happy :) Or trick us into thinking we are getting a good deal for our money when we really arnt! Ahh the confusing ways of apples marketing structure! But I sure cant wait for my 2.33GHz stock 15.4inch Macbook pro! I will be paying that back for the rest of my life ;)

Has anyone esle seen that the apple.com/macbookpro image looks white.. kinda looks like a ibook

[mratlantis]

i bought a MBP 2 weeks ago and its just about to be delivered?
i want a one of the new upgraded ones, just my luck!
CAN I RETURN IT ?
anyone with some tips?

thanks in advance

[thereubster]

be satsisfied with what you have when you needed it... i got my 17" MBP only 3 weeks ago with no regrets and i love this thing, i don't need all that's there in the update, what i have now will suffice until the next time i need a new computer :D :D :D
I guess the point is that for some people this represents a considerable long term investment (like me) and they want to get the most modern hardware available if it will have to last years.
Worth noting that the projected clock speeds of Intels future laptop CPU's are not significantly faster, so there may yet be a "motorola effect"

[Chundles]

aswitcher, could you explain a bit more to me what you mean by
"802.11n pending firmware upgrade..." since you're the first to mention this at all? Does anyone know if this new MBP will have 802.11n at all (for the iTV)?

802.11n isn't due for ratification until 2008. There is a "Draft N v 2.0" due out next year that is supposedly close to what 802.11n will be but there's no guarantee anything will work until the final spec is released in 2008.

[Willis]

Ive just noticed, they've brought back the Firewire 800 on the 15" models now.

Im sure the 2.16 15" is £50 cheaper. Anyone have the old price listing?

[robbieduncan]

Hmmm...I've never seen a power adapter on a plane, and I flew a few days ago (on a cheapo airline, but still...).

Normally only on long haul and even then only in Premium Economy and up. The cheap seats get no love!

[thereubster]

802.11n isn't due for ratification until 2008. There is a "Draft N v 2.0" due out next year that is supposedly close to what 802.11n will be but there's no guarantee anything will work until the final spec is released in 2008.
I think he means that the wireless card in the new MBP may be the same as in the new iMac, which is apparently 802.11n draft compliant

[mi5moav]

Great marketing seatbelts sold seperately. This thing never crashes I guess, and I don't want it to.

proven classic latch system, proven case design... nice update

[The Maestro]

ordered! 3-7 working days. would be great to get it by the end of the week

i got the middle line for £1444 with student discount

[Mac-Addict]

I think he means that the wireless card in the new MBP may be the same as in the new iMac, which is apparently 802.11n draft compliant
But if its not is there anyway you could upgrade to a 802.11n wireless card when it comes out in 2008? Like take it took an apple store and pay £100 or something..

[3rdpath]

as others have mentioned, i'm a little surprised that only the 17inch model has a 7200rpm drive option. i'm going to check with apple directly to see if i can get a custom 15inch with a 7200 drive. my audio apps don't work well with the anything slower.

having said that, the ram, fw800 and dual layer burner are a nice addition

[aristobrat]

802.11n pending firmware upgrade...
Great -- that was my only holdout. Where did you see the info about 802.11n being included?

[HappyPig]

802.11n isn't due for ratification until 2008. There is a "Draft N v 2.0" due out next year that is supposedly close to what 802.11n will be but there's no guarantee anything will work until the final spec is released in 2008.

Yep, but the new iMacs are shipping with 802.11n's installed. Plus I'd imagine that Apple has its own standards about being compatible with its own stuff (iTV, etc).

[aristobrat]

802.11n isn't due for ratification until 2008. There is a "Draft N v 2.0" due out next year that is supposedly close to what 802.11n will be but there's no guarantee anything will work until the final spec is released in 2008.
As long as it works with the 802.11[whatever] that the iTV ships with, it'll work for me. :)

[aaronfzr]

Just called up the apple store on regent st - they didnt put me down on a waiting list or anything, but said they're getting them in the next couple of days (not weeks, huzzah!).

I'm stoked - with 2gb as standard, its already saved me the £200 I was gonna spend on the RAM upgrade!!! Including firewire800 and the small speedbump, oh yeah DL burning....I'm quite impressed! The only thing I could have hoped for (aside from cosmetics like maglatch) was a graphics card upg, but that didnt seem likely anyhow.

[aswitcher]

aswitcher, could you explain a bit more to me what you mean by
"802.11n pending firmware upgrade..." since you're the first to mention this at all? Does anyone know if this new MBP will have 802.11n at all (for the iTV)?


The last round of iMacs are supposed to have new airport extremes that can be firmware upgraded to 802.11N. This is based upon a finding whilst using bootcamp and windowsXP/Vista(?). With Apples special TV thingy coming out next year (Steve Jobs announced at WWDC) all Macs really need wireless faster than G so it makes sense to upgrade them all to "n". So I strongly suspect the latest macbok pros have it - and it will be enabled next year.

[iñaki'sonMac'87]

I just had called to Apple store, and they are going to take my week old MBP CD and are giong to give me the new ones, do anybody know if, with the eductational discount, is any problem? how much do I hve to pay (if I have to pay anything)?
Is the cutted Serial Number of the box considered as I broke something?
just want a 15,4" , 2Gb RAM, 120 HDD and DVD 2L6x....sweet machine

[aswitcher]

Great -- that was my only holdout. Where did you see the info about 802.11n being included?


Just an educated guess.

[bodeh6]

The processor upgrades, not the OS upgrades.

I know. The 15" MBP was bumped in May after the MB/MBP 17" came out.

[mingspace]

What about MACBOOKS?!

[sixth]

1
MBPRO 15/2.33/2G/120/256VRAM/SD-DL-USA
ship - Oct 30, 2006 delivery -Nov 6, 2006

hows everyone else's ship dates?

[zenvision]

as others have mentioned, i'm a little surprised that only the 17inch model has a 7200rpm drive option. i'm going to check with apple directly to see if i can get a custom 15inch with a 7200 drive. my audio apps don't work well with the anything slower.

having said that, the ram, fw800 and dual layer burner are a nice addition

i was wondering about the 5400/7200 issue as well, especially as ill be doing a lot of audio and graphics work on my 15"...do you really think it'll make that much of a difference save a few seconds?

[SkipNewarkDE]

One thing that is buried in all of this is that Apple is FINALLY offering a magsafe airline power adaptor for their laptops, for $59.00. I have been doing a ton of cross-country flying recently, and carting two batteries to try to keep my laptop juiced up on the trip. I have waited for months for an in-flight power solution. Apple has finally come through with this! :D

[inmotion]

did anyone notice that one http://www.apple.com/ca/macbookpro/specs.html
the base model has 2.6ghz dual core.... :rolleyes:

if only it was true haha

[Chundles]

What about MACBOOKS?!

Hmmm.... let's see. Release two products and get ~1 week worth of press OR release 1 product followed 1 week later by another product and get 2 weeks of press.

And don't be that annoying "Make everything huge" guy.

[tarjan]

Anyone called the stores yet to see if they are in stock? Dont want to barrage them with calls...

[Nikolai]

Finally updating my PowerMac G3. Thats right...1999.

With my student discount, and the fact that I'd want 2gig ram, there is about a $400 difference between the 2.16 and 2.33 15-inchers. How much practical difference in speed will the 2.33 have over teh 2.16? Do you think it'll be $400 worth? Thanks.

[DickArmAndHarT]

FW 800, 2gig of ram im soo pyched, and I was just about to pick one up this weekend, but my i couldnt do an instore pickup at the apple store. Im glad i waited.

Whats the quickest way to order one of these, pre-order online right now, or wait till there at stores and swing and grab one

[Mac-Addict]

What about MACBOOKS?!
could be a few months.. January/Febuary.. Maybe Or earlier who knows.. maybe next week maybe tomorrow.. maybe I put to many maybes in this post..

[Mr. DG]

as others have mentioned, i'm a little surprised that only the 17inch model has a 7200rpm drive option. i'm going to check with apple directly to see if i can get a custom 15inch with a 7200 drive. my audio apps don't work well with the anything slower.

having said that, the ram, fw800 and dual layer burner are a nice addition

Agreed about the lack of 7200HD options, sucks for music on the go, esp. using ableton live. Though an external FW800 drive will help bridge the gap.

[chris07]

I just wanted to say...CONGRATULATIONS GUYS, IT'S (finally) HERE! :D

[Chundles]

The last round of iMacs are supposed to have new airport extremes that can be firmware upgraded to 802.11N. This is based upon a finding whilst using bootcamp and windowsXP/Vista(?). With Apples special TV thingy coming out next year (Steve Jobs announced at WWDC) all Macs really need wireless faster than G so it makes sense to upgrade them all to "n". So I strongly suspect the latest macbok pros have it - and it will be enabled next year.

Well, they don't really need wireless faster than G as G has enough raw throughput to handle media streaming. What they need is a G network protocol that would be robust enough to avoid interference and prioritise media streaming. This can be added in a firmware update to ALL Airport Extreme enabled Macs - much better than limiting iTV to only the newest of the new.

[Willis]

Good call, other stores are not showing this 'error'.

Heres a pic if anyone has missed it.

[bodeh6]

as others have mentioned, i'm a little surprised that only the 17inch model has a 7200rpm drive option. i'm going to check with apple directly to see if i can get a custom 15inch with a 7200 drive. my audio apps don't work well with the anything slower.

having said that, the ram, fw800 and dual layer burner are a nice addition

That is weird but according to the website Apple.com in the specs page, the 15" has the following options
-120GB @5400 RPM
-160GB @5400 RPM Add $100
-200GB @7200 RPM Add $200


While the 17" has
-100GB @7200 RPM Subtract $100
-160GB @5400 RPM
-200GB @4200 RPM Add $100

[Littleodie914]

Not sure if anybody's noticed yet, but they've changed the design a bit too. Specifically, the optical drive. Notice how now instead of just being a slot in the front, it seems to have a bit of darker grey plastic around it.

[Wolfpup]

Overall I'm impressed. I wasn't expecting a GPU bump (though an upgrade to a Geforce 7600GT would have been possible and nice for the 15" model). What surprises me is that even the base model has 1x1GB of RAM-and at least with my educational discount adding a second 1GB stick from Apple is cheaper than Crucial!

The large hard drive size is great too! And presumably this is the now-working Rev b.

But...the hard drive is still difficult to access, right? That's what's kept me from buying a Macbook Pro so far. Basically I'm parinoid about having to send it in for service with that drive in there. Obviously there's all kinds of personal info on a hard drive I don't want floating around out there.
That's what's stopping me from getting this.

If not for that, I just did the math, and this comes out to roughly $400 more than a Macbook, which isn't terrible.
(Guess I would want the non-glossy screen? I guess that looks like a normal desktop LCD?)

[scott523]

could be a few months.. January/Febuary.. Maybe Or earlier who knows.. maybe next week maybe tomorrow.. maybe I put to many maybes in this post..Oh my god, I'm getting a MacBook ASAP then. I can't wait any longer.

[mingspace]

I apologize for the big letters. I'm a mac newb and this will be my first mac. I have been waiting for this new macbook to buy and whats funny is that I walked into the Mac Store yesterday, the guy new everything about the product but seemed a little too clueless about the product cycle. He was like.. "uh, could be next February but no one ever knows". I asked how releases are typically handled for macs. He replies "I'm not really sure. It's anyone's guess". So I knew he was trying to avoid talking about it.

[Mac-Addict]

Not sure if anybody's noticed yet, but they've changed the design a bit too. Specifically, the optical drive. Notice how now instead of just being a slot in the front, it seems to have a bit of darker grey plastic around it.
Yeah! I saw that its like a boarder around it.. Me liking it :)

[jaduffy108]

against other manufacturer's offerings both spec and pricewise?

### Alienware is still significantly better in terms of performance specs. For $2700, you can build an Alienware with RAID HDs, etc. Biggest question for me is...is Apple still underclocking the GPU on the 15" model...??? To me, Apple's MBPs aren't as good as a value as their Mac Pro, but with this update, Apple's "in the ballpark"...and I would get the MBP over the Alienware...assuming Autodesk releases a UB of Maya soon. My two cents...

[emotion]

### Alienware is still significantly better in terms of performance specs. For $2700, you can build an Alienware with RAID HDs, etc. Biggest question for me is...is Apple still underclocking the GPU on the 15" model...??? To me, Apple's MBPs aren't as good as a value as their Mac Pro, but with this update, Apple's "in the ballpark"...and I would get the MBP over the Alienware...assuming Autodesk releases a UB of Maya soon. My two cents...

Does it come with the trolley needed to carry it? We're talking notebooks here :)

[direzz]

do you guys think i should just go ahead and buy a macbook then? i would love a MBP, but its to expensive.. im just a highschool student, and the black would really be great.

i dont know what to do :(

[Mac-Addict]

Does it come with the trolley needed to carry it? We're talking notebooks here :)
Correction...
*Truck

do you guys think i should just go ahead and buy a macbook then? i would love a MBP, but its to expensive.. im just a highschool student, and the black would really be great.

i dont know what to do :(
If you need it now buy it now! But when the macbooks get upgraded they may have a price drop and more ram and faster CPU and maybe even better graphics, just wait aslong as you can and if they havent had upgrades then your just gunna have to live with that..

[jmous]

I have compared the tech specs to the google cache. The battery time has been updated from 4.5 to 5 hours on the 15 inch. 17 inch remained the same.

[SPUY767]

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=A2AF143F&nplm=MA598Z%2FA


Flight charger adaptor added

You're not the designer of the latest generation of BMW's are you, cause I've got a bone to pick with you. :)

[iRobo]

Just for the record...

Originally Posted by iRobo
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Just a note. If you look at the average of the average time between updates you discover that there are, amongst all the products, a 192 days period between updates.

Currently only 177 days have passed since the last update to the MBP. Oct 26 would be Mac Expo in the UK. If they anounced then (185 days) and shipped one week later they would be at the average (192 exactly).

Also noting that major US and Euro retailers are out of stock or low on stock is also a fairly good indicator.

Finally, I think it would be pretty damn sad if after 192 days of updating they merely give us a .16 processor upgrade...

/4 cents and counting

[blackstarliner]

Heres a pic if anyone has missed it.

Check out the footnote to the Swiss site (where the text is correct)

Die Tests wurden von Apple im Mai 2006 mit Prototypen des 2 GHz MacBook und aktuellen 1,42 GHz PowerPC G4 basierten iBook G4 Computern durchgeführt.

[Macula]

...make sure there is no whine!

I would personally give it a week or two to make sure that revisions are not necessary.

[Chrispy]

This is great news. If the macbooks go Core 2 Duo then I will have a very difficult decision to make. Regardless I'm going to hold for about 3 weeks to see how these things work out for everyone. If they are, for the most part, problem free then I'm all over this.

[jaigo]

What about those of us that bought MBP's in August? The upgrades weren't in the forcast! Ugh, I really hate it when this happens!


That's why you should have been patient. :)

[louispavlo]

Video iPod on thanksgiving. I would bet money on it.

That'll really knock the wind out of Zune.

[timmillwood]

is the HDD removable?

The userguide online is still the CD MBP

[CrackedButter]

The 17" is cheaper by the way if you opt for the 100GB drive. In the last revision you didn't get a price drop on it. Now you do. With a higher education discount I could get a beast of a machine for the price of a 15" MBP.

[LSlugger]

The MacBook Pro isn't the only model to get attention today. The iMac is now available with a 750 GB hard drive, for $200 more than the 500 GB drive. Good news for storing DVDs or high-def programs.

[aristobrat]

whats funny is that I walked into the Mac Store yesterday, the guy new everything about the product but seemed a little too clueless about the product cycle.
Mac Store employees *don't* know anything specific about product updates.

There's almost 1000 Apple store employees worldwide. If they knew details, don't you find it really, really odd that none of them leaked any?

[D.G.]

I notice the apple store defaulted to a glossy screen, does anyone know if changing that to matte classes as a customization in the return policy?

Thanks!

[lazyrighteye]

What are peeps' opinion on the screen options?
I have never used glossy. Looks alright, in person. Not sure how it would be for everyday use tho...

Otherwise, nice update.

[dkoralek]

And they delayed this update by 6-8 weeks for ... ?

Would/Should we have waited if we knew then what we know now and will know in the future ?
:(

Probably because they needed to wait for sufficient stocks of the faster merom chips (you don't see many of the 2.3GHz offerings from other manufacturers, either). Now I just have to decide if I want to lug a macpro across the pond or go for a 17" mbp.

cheers.

[reflex]

Was the 2.16GHz option for the 17" iMac always there or is it new?

[it5five]

Finally, no more need for 600 threads about the C2D MacBook Pros.

Of course, now we're going to get 600 threads about the C2D MacBooks. :(

[Mac-Addict]

Video iPod on thanksgiving. I would bet money on it.

That'll really knock the wind out of Zune.
I hope so! But if I get a MPB then theres no way I could get a ipod video. Ohwell I would be getting a 2.33ghz core 2 duo 15.4inch macbook pro with 2gb of ram, good grpahics, Dual 6x Double Layer Superdrive, FW800, FW400, Two USBs, 120gb!

[shecky]

is the HDD removable?

The userguide online is still the CD MBP

i am waiting on this and the "Technology Overview" to be posted before buying. just want to make sure there are no surprises :)

[sfwalter]

IMHO--A solid upgrade. Same price point but more memory, more video ram, fw 800, dual layer burner.

I'm jealous! I have a the original Macbook Pro. But my laptop was just fine yesterday so I won't be upgrading til the next major upgrade.

[duklaprague]

No, RAM from any PPC Mac won't work in any Intel Mac. Apple use a different type of RAM in their Intel machines and whilst all Intel Macs (aside from the Mac Pro) use the same type of RAM the same isn't true of the old PPC Macs.

Your 1GB stick won't work at all.

Cheers - I suspected as much.

Looking forward to replacing it next year tho' - by then under £1500 is going to go along way - plus my wife qualifies for a discount because she works for the NHS.

Iain

[timmillwood]

The 17" is cheaper by the way if you opt for the 100GB drive. In the last revision you didn't get a price drop on it. Now you do. With a higher education discount I could get a beast of a machine for the price of a 15" MBP.

I wish they offered the 120GB HDD i dont need 160, but 100 is too little, 120 is just right + would save me nearly £60

[mingspace]

Mac Store employees *don't* know anything specific about product updates.

There's almost 1000 Apple store employees worldwide. If they knew details, don't you find it really, really odd that none of them leaked any?
Yes. But not so much about product updates. More about the history of the updates in the paste was what I was talking about.

[Mac-Addict]

Cheers - I suspected as much.

Looking forward to replacing it next year tho' - by then under £1500 is going to go along way - plus my wife qualifies for a discount because she works for the NHS.

Iain
Are you joking! You can get a discount for working at NHS?! Maybe I should consider a job in medicine!

[Triplenickle]

I was disappointed that the resolution was not updated to 1920x1200...I would assume this would have added siginificant costs? or maybe they think the current resolution is good enough and that there is little noticable difference between the current vs 1920x1200 ? Anyone else feel this is a big deal? Reasons why the higher resolution is not necessary? Thanks

[Platform]

For the "why only MBP's and not MB's too"

As said, less press coverage, but also maybe more important is that now there is a gap between the [rosumer line and the consumer line ;)

750GB drives in iMac's , Mac Pro's , Xserves....!

[MatthewConnelly]

I'm still holding out for C2D Macbooks, I hope they release them, I don't want a MBP!

[rwbean]

In Australia, I'm getting the 15-inch with 2GB, 2.33GHz, 160GB HD, shipping on/before 1 Nov, arriving to Brisbane on/before 8 Nov. I couldn't justify spending an extra $A818.40 (edu price) for an extra GB of RAM nor an extra $A140.80 for the 200GB HD. Reviews of the 200GB HD at tomshardware.com say performance is very average, and I would have felt about queasy about such bleeding-edge HD technology.

[CrackedButter]

I wish they offered the 120GB HDD i dont need 160, but 100 is too little, 120 is just right + would save me nearly £60

I already have 2 160GB FW400 Drives so I'm more interested in speed than internal capacity.
However you might down the road decide you want the 160GB (needs change) and wished the opposite!

[Wilz]

FINALLY!

credit card at the ready, macbook pro will be mine soon

[Mac-Addict]

For the "why only MBP's and not MB's too"

As said, less press coverage, but also maybe more important is that now there is a gap between the [rosumer line and the consumer line ;)
Is that good or bad..?

[The Maestro]

my order says

'Allow 4 days to build your order.
Allow 3 - 7 business days for delivery. '

in regards to shipping times

[dkoralek]

The MacBook Pro isn't the only model to get attention today. The iMac is now available with a 750 GB hard drive, for $200 more than the 500 GB drive. Good news for storing DVDs or high-def programs.

The Mac Pro also has 750GB options (for bays 2 - 4 there are now options for 500GB or 750GB).

Cheers.

[Mac-Addict]

200th post!!
Ok maybe I should post more..
WOOO! Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo! WOOO!

[bimboles]

Does anyone know if they are available from today in the retail stores?

[true777]

Very nice update... solid machines. I bought my MBP 17" 3 months ago, so I think I'll wait for OS 10.5 next year, and hopefully the next revision of these babies until I upgrade... though it *is* tempting right now.

[shecky]

i just spoke to the Providence Place apple store and they have no idea when they are coming in.

[nick004]

No where on the sites does it mention 64-bit capabilities, unless i'm missing it. Can 64-bit be safely assumed?

[tarjan]

triple: 20-30 dollar cost difference, probably less in quantity. It is just coming from apple not wanting to put a high res screen on the laptop for some reason, probably their misguided attempt at hitting a specific dpi count until resolution independance.

[daneoni]

Finally, still confused as to why there is no 7200RPM drive option for the 15".

I wanna order with a glossy screen but i'm scared i wont be able to return this if it has probless. Isnt glossy screen a BTO option?

[Mac-Addict]

No where on the sites does it mention 64-bit capabilities, unless i'm missing it. Can 64-bit be safely assumed?
Yeah thats what I was thinking.. this may make or break my decision to get a macbook pro over imac..

[Platform]

Does anyone know if they are available from today in the retail stores?

The new MacBook Pros are available from the online Apple Store. The new MacBook Pros will ship next week.

That was in the story :confused:

[reflex]

No where on the sites does it mention 64-bit capabilities, unless i'm missing it. Can 64-bit be safely assumed?

Yes.

[countach]

(Guess I would want the non-glossy screen? I guess that looks like a normal desktop LCD?)

Do some google searches on the pros and cons. The glossy has a sharper image with brighter colors. It even has less glare under some circumstances.

[ghall]

Wow, I seriously want one NOW! All I care about is that 200GB Hard Drive!

[ZoomZoomZoom]

Good thing I picked up a graphics card upgraded iMac instead of waiting :p

A bit disappointing in my opinion. If this happened a few weeks ago, it'd be nice but such a long delay - for what? I would also like to see those MBPs benchmarked.

Much as I like how the MBP looks, and know that it's a good performer, the lack of a good (gaming) graphics card won't tempt me towards saving money for one of these. x1600's all right, but not really enough, especially for the next couple of years.

[kingtj]

Yep, my thoughts too. (And again, you have to wonder why over 20 people already voted this story negative.....)

But I like my Macbook Pro 15" that I got a month or so after it came out. I still use all the time and it works for me. I didn't really see the big deal about the "lacking features" back then, and I still don't think they're a big deal now.

1. FW800? Yeah, nice to have ... but honestly, the only time I plugged anything into my MBPro's FW port, it was just a cable bridged between it and my desktop to xfer over a bunch of data one time. (My portable hard drive is USB 2.0 since I also use a Windows PC that has no firewire port on it.)

2. Dual-layer burner? Are people honestly doing much DL disc burning? I don't, because the media still costs WAY too much! I bought a total of one 15-pack of DL media once, and that was just to make backup copies of a few specific DVDs like iLife '06 that couldn't fit on a single layer DVD-R. Then, I found out that the DL discs I did make are very picky about which drives they'll read in afterwards. Plus, even the *slightest* blemish on one before you burn to it results in a disc with errors. DL media is hyper-sensitive to scratches.

3. I upgraded my MBPro to 2GB as soon as I got it. Works for me, and as more apps become universal, the need for more RAM is reduced. The real "RAM hog" is Rosetta.


IMHO--A solid upgrade. Same price point but more memory, more video ram, fw 800, dual layer burner.

I'm jealous! I have a the original Macbook Pro. But my laptop was just fine yesterday so I won't be upgrading til the next major upgrade.

[fastdrive]

So how long do you think before I can pick one of these up in the refurbished store?

[jaigo]

Estimated
Shipped By
Oct 30, 2006

Estimated
Delivered By
Nov 1, 2006

MBPRO 15/2.16 CTO


:D

[robbieduncan]

Finally, still confused as to why there is no 7200RPM drive option for the 15".

I wanna order with a glossy screen but i'm scared i wont be able to return this if it has probless. Isnt glossy screen a BTO option?

ANY change from the default spec is BTO (or CTO). The tech specs pages says:

"15.4-inch (diagonal) TFT display, support for millions of colors; optional glossy widescreen display"

Sounds like glossy is BTO to me.

[Mac-Addict]

would it be possible for Apple to disable the 64 bit feature?
Why? When leopard comes out it can handle 32-bit and 64-bit apps so why would they not give there customers the choice?
edit: he posted nevermind..

[brianus]

I was disappointed that the resolution was not updated to 1920x1200...I would assume this would have added siginificant costs? or maybe they think the current resolution is good enough and that there is little noticable difference between the current vs 1920x1200 ? Anyone else feel this is a big deal? Reasons why the higher resolution is not necessary? Thanks

Why do people keep acting as though HD res on a laptop is somehow a self-evidently good idea? The correct question is, "Reasons why the higher resolution is necessary?" It seems utterly absurd to me. I don't think you guys realize the implications of extreme hi res + relatively small screen + lack of resolution independence.

[robbieduncan]

So how long do you think before I can pick one of these up in the refurbished store?

1-2 months. At least.

[mmr34747]

Looking at the 15" models. With the educational discount, is it worth an extra $500 for the 15" 2.33GHz, 2GB Ram, 256MB Graphics. The other model is 2.16GHz, 1GB Ram & 128MB Graphics.

[BlackSoUl]

I'm still holding out for C2D Macbooks, I hope they release them, I don't want a MBP!
Me either, well I do - I just can't afford it :] haha

Going to New York in December so I'm getting one cheap. I just hope it's update by then and not Jan. I'd be so P*ssed! lol

[twoodcc]

well i can't believe Apple came thru today. i'm glad they did though. i didn't see the 2GB of ram coming though

[SirOmega]

One thing that is buried in all of this is that Apple is FINALLY offering a magsafe airline power adaptor for their laptops, for $59.00. I have been doing a ton of cross-country flying recently, and carting two batteries to try to keep my laptop juiced up on the trip. I have waited for months for an in-flight power solution. Apple has finally come through with this! :D

I could have used this this past summer. Took forever to come out.

[jaigo]

I could care less about playing games on my mbp, so the videocard is MORE than enough for my needs. Playing a FPS on a notebook = :confused:

[nick004]

Looking at the 15" models. With the educational discount, is it worth an extra $500 for the 15" 2.33GHz, 2GB Ram, 256MB Graphics. The other model is 2.16GHz, 1GB Ram & 128MB Graphics.

I'm going for the extra video RAM, i know it doesn't help much but it is a crappy card and needs to last me at least 2 years. Good enough for WoW though!

[countach]

I was disappointed that the resolution was not updated to 1920x1200...I would assume this would have added siginificant costs? or maybe they think the current resolution is good enough and that there is little noticable difference between the current vs 1920x1200 ? Anyone else feel this is a big deal? Reasons why the higher resolution is not necessary? Thanks

On a windows machine, everything seemed absurdly small under 1920x1200, but it might not be such a problem on a mac where more stuff is scaled. I would have liked to see the bigger resolution though.

[ro2nie]

Is it me, or Apple is also offering new 750 Gb Hard drives as an option for Mac Pros and iMacs?

[Squonk]

You're not the designer of the latest generation of BMW's are you, cause I've got a bone to pick with you. :)

I was wondering the same thing about this user... :mad:

[longofest]

Yeah, and forget the 8 core Cloverton... now we're waiting on 16 cores with Tigerton: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4659

It sure beats Motorola/IBM's PowerPC slow update schedule. ;)

Tigerton (Xeon MP) is a different product line than what any of the current Apple offerings use. Until we hear differently, I don't expect we will be seeing Tigerton in any Macs.

[countach]

In Australia, I'm getting the 15-inch with 2GB, 2.33GHz, 160GB HD, shipping on/before 1 Nov, arriving to Brisbane on/before 8 Nov. I couldn't justify spending an extra $A818.40 (edu price) for an extra GB of RAM nor an extra $A140.80 for the 200GB HD. Reviews of the 200GB HD at tomshardware.com say performance is very average, and I would have felt about queasy about such bleeding-edge HD technology.

I agree about the memory, but IMHO the 200GB is a no brainer. But then I like all my multimedia, you can't have too much space.

[Platform]

well i can't believe Apple came thru today. i'm glad they did though. i didn't see the 2GB of ram coming though

Yeah 2GB RAM, well I guess Apple's new apps (maybe even taking virtualization into consideration) and Leopard will like RAM...I have 1.5GB....:o

[deputy_doofy]

I haven't read all the messages, but I'm wondering....
How many of you that have been waiting and whining actually took the plunge this morning? I can say for a fact that I did. Just curious to see how many people are still saying, "...But, the MBP still lacks a male genitalia insert port."
Cynical, you say? Yes, I've been on these forums long enough to see people constantly complain for the next best thing, even on new release days.

Anyway, here's my order again (because I'm ***** excited) :D :

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

[nick004]

Is it me, or Apple is also offering new 750 Gb Hard drives as an option for Mac Pros and iMacs?

Wonder if there are any other surprises hiding amoung the spec pages?

[nick004]

I haven't read all the messages, but I'm wondering....
How many of you that have been waiting and whining actually took the plunge this morning? I can say for a fact that I did. Just curious to see how many people are still saying, "...But, the MBP still lacks a male genitalia insert port."
Cynical, you say? Yes, I've been on these forums long enough to see people constantly complain for the next best thing, even on new release days.

Anyway, here's my order again (because I'm ***** excited) :D :

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

I'm taking the plunge as well! Who needs a life savings anyway?

[bryanc]

But I can't decide weather to go for the slower 200 GB drive, or the somewhat faster 160GB drive.

I know that you can never have too much disk space, but I'm wondering what the performance differential will be.

I'm currently running on a 7200 rpm 100 GB (with only 10 GB free), and either of the options in the new machines will be slower (but cooler and less battery hungry)... am I going to be unhappy with a 4200 rpm 200 GB drive? Does anyone know the cache size or any other specs for the 200 GB drive?

[jaigo]

I haven't read all the messages, but I'm wondering....
How many of you that have been waiting and whining actually took the plunge this morning? I can say for a fact that I did. Just curious to see how many people are still saying, "...But, the MBP still lacks a male genitalia insert port."
Cynical, you say? Yes, I've been on these forums long enough to see people constantly complain for the next best thing, even on new release days.

Anyway, here's my order again (because I'm ***** excited) :D :

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)


Well, I actually took the plunge. I know some of you complained that I was whining. But at least I did buy it.

2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-1x1GB
120GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 6X
15" Glossy Widescreen Display
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit

[Mac-Addict]

I'm taking the plunge as well! Who needs a life savings anyway?
and why shouldn't I be in debt to my parents until christmas 07 :) (I have a crap paying weekend job..)

[daneoni]

I haven't read all the messages, but I'm wondering....
How many of you that have been waiting and whining actually took the plunge this morning? I can say for a fact that I did. Just curious to see how many people are still saying, "...But, the MBP still lacks a male genitalia insert port."
Cynical, you say? Yes, I've been on these forums long enough to see people constantly complain for the next best thing, even on new release days.

Anyway, here's my order again (because I'm ***** excited) :D :

MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple USB Modem
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Accessory Kit
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

I have your exact config in my basket but i'm scared ********, something tells me its gonna be filled with issues like the last rev and i'll end up going to the genius bar.....alot.

Oh well life is all about risks

[Chundles]

But I can't decide weather to go for the slower 200 GB drive, or the somewhat faster 160GB drive.

I know that you can never have too much disk space, but I'm wondering what the performance differential will be.

I'm currently running on a 7200 rpm 100 GB (with only 10 GB free), and either of the options in the new machines will be slower (but cooler and less battery hungry)... am I going to be unhappy with a 4200 rpm 200 GB drive? Does anyone know the cache size or any other specs for the 200 GB drive?

4200rpm is dog-slow. Go for the 5400rpm drive and use the money you saved for a nice big FW800 external HDD.

[countach]

I haven't read all the messages, but I'm wondering....
How many of you that have been waiting and whining actually took the plunge this morning?

Yep!



MacBook Pro, 17-inch, 2.33GHz
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200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS
MacBook Pro 17-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
SuperDrive 8x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
Country Kit

[deputy_doofy]

I have you exact config in my basket but i'm scared ********, something tells me its gonna be filled with issues and i'll end up going to the genius bar.....alot.

Oh well life is all about risks

Well, we can only hope that they've been a bit more sufficiently tested. Also, if the enclosure and internals haven't changed much, most of the issues should be out of the way. Yes, EVEREYTHING is a risk. :)

[zenvision]

so...

5400/7200?

is the difference a big deal for audio/graphics work?

[steelfist]

hope they won't repeat the stupid overheat, whine, or shutdown issues in this release.

other than that, it's an impressive update and upgrade, especially compared to the painful and slow powerbook updates. Apple sure didn't dissapoint me at all!

2 thumbs up!

it won't make much of a difference in terms of performance gain, but I would preffer getting a 5400 rpm and having more capacity instead. it might be very helpful for a lot of people though, it's just that i'm cost consious.

[randyharris]

Wouldn't you know it, my Sister-in-Law's MBP just arrived Yesterday!

[Detektiv-Pinky]

For the "why only MBP's and not MB's too"

As said, less press coverage, but also maybe more important is that now there is a gap between the [rosumer line and the consumer line ;)

750GB drives in iMac's , Mac Pro's , Xserves....!

I personally thing the update for the Macbook must be arround the corner. Inventory for Macbooks in Europe is virtually no existent and they need to push them in the market in order to realise their sales figures.

I have my fingers crossed that it will be no more than a week before we also see the Macbook updated.

[fblack]

Hmmm....it is Tuesday isn't it? :)

Cool my long wait is over. Nice with the bump in ram and FW800 (yes!). :)

Bummer that theres no 7200rpm HD on 15" and gosh darn it getting hit again with the lame video cards.:mad:

Oh, well you never get everything...I'll be ordering a 15" soon. Hopefully it wont be a lap burner.

[Detektiv-Pinky]

Wouldn't you know it, my Sister-in-Law's MBP just arrived Yesterday!

CD or C2D?

If CD I would return in immediately, preferably unopened...

Thats what I hate about this update policy. Yesterdays investment is losing suddenly 30% of its value. Apple should really address this by lowering prices before such an update...

[jaigo]

Now I need to get a nice case for my mbp :D

[gkhaldi]

4200rpm is dog-slow. Go for the 5400rpm drive and use the money you saved for a nice big FW800 external HDD.

Kinda pissed that I just bought 2 external FW400 drives 2 weeks ago. Hesitated on the FW800 but I didn't see myself buying the 17". Today I got the new C2D and it comes with FW800. Grrr....:(

[daneoni]

Apparently the 160GB HDD's performance is on par with the 100GB 7200RPM and a tad faster than the 120GB??

[stefman]

It was about time......runs to get credit card :D :D :D :D

[gkhaldi]

Hmmm....it is Tuesday isn't it? :)

Cool my long wait is over. Nice with the bump in ram and FW800 (yes!). :)

Bummer that theres no 7200rpm HD on 15" and gosh darn it getting hit again with the lame video cards.:mad:

Oh, well you never get everything...I'll be ordering a 15" soon. Hopefully it wont be a lap burner.

Am very happy with the RAM but OMG, is it expensive (590€ in Belgium) :eek: :eek: :eek:

Bought it anyways. Would like to find out if I swap that second dimm out for a 2GB, would it run at 4GB of RAM? Any takers?

[zenvision]

Apparently the 160GB HDD's performance is on par with the 100GB 7200RPM and a tad faster than the 120GB??
says who? link?

[The Maestro]

i took the plunge

MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.33GHz
Part Number: MA610
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard (English) & Mac OS (English)
Country kit
120GB Serial ATA drive (5400rpm)
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Ready to ship: 4 days

[ready2switch]

Apparently the 160GB HDD's performance is on par with the 100GB 7200RPM and a tad faster than the 120GB??

Reference please. :D

[Mac-Addict]

Am very happy with the RAM but OMG, is it expensive (590€ in Belgium) :eek: :eek: :eek:

Bought it anyways. Would like to find out if I swap that second dimm out for a 2GB, would it run at 4GB of RAM? Any takers?
I dont think so the iMac only supports upto 3gb of ram because of the chipset it uses and i think the macbookpro now uses the same chipset..

[appleguru1]

Ordered the high end 15" er w/ a glossy screen :D

Finally!

[Squonk]

so...

5400/7200?

is the difference a big deal for audio/graphics work?

I do not have a practical answer for you, but I had a similar question when I was upgrading the HD in my powerbook - I wanted the fastest drive I could afford as this would give my PB the biggest performance boost. What I found out is that the 160GB 5400 perpendicular drives have about 90-95% the performance throughput of a non-perpendicular 7200 drive. The reason being that because the bit are perpendicular, the drive needs to rotate a shorter amount to read the same amount of data. I know at the microscopic size of the data on the drives this seems hard to believe, but logically, it makes sense to me. My PB is a screamer by comparison to the 4200 drive that was in there, which has not bearing to your question of course...

I suspect, that the 5400 160GB drive from Apple will have decent performance. Personally, I'm not impressed with the 4200 200GB offering, but for someone who needs more space and ultimate performance is not key, then this would be fine.

That all being said, I look forward to finding out the specs & models of the actual drives Apple is putting in the new MBP's before I'd put money down on one.

Cheers!

[gkhaldi]

I basically ordered a machien and don't know what to expect from perf increase. I have a MBPRO core duo @ 2 GHz. What speedbump can expect on this new C2D @ 2.33 GHz?

[mr yellow]

It seems to me that Apple play games with their users, just a little bit.

Unless I'm mistaken, 1st gen MBP had 7200 HD option but no FW800.

This time the FW800 gets put back but the 7200 option is taken away, with the moral being "buy a 17" if you need both of these features">

I'm the same as one of the previous posters, for my audio app (Ableton Live) there's no way I'd splash that sort of cash on a MBP with a 5400 drive.

Oh well, if my PB gives up the ghost, I'll have to tgo for a 17" (which I don't wwant to do) or buy a PC. Failing that, Im a-waiting for Santa Rosa.

[zenvision]

I do not have a practical answer for you, but I had a similar question when I was upgrading the HD in my powerbook - I wanted the fastest drive I could afford as this would give my PB the biggest performance boost. What I found out is that the 160GB 5400 perpendicular drives have about 90-95% the performance throughput of a non-perpendicular 7200 drive. The reason being that because the bit are perpendicular, the drive needs to rotate a shorter amount to read the same amount of data. I know at the microscopic size of the data on the drives this seems hard to believe, but logically, it makes sense to me. My PB is a screamer by comparison to the 4200 drive that was in there, which has not bearing to your question of course...

I suspect, that the 5400 160GB drive from Apple will have decent performance. Personally, I'm not impressed with the 4200 200GB offering, but for someone who needs more space and ultimate performance is not key, then this would be fine.

That all being said, I look forward to finding out the specs & models of the actual drives Apple is putting in the new MBP's before I'd put money down on one.

Cheers!

thanks for the info! sounds like the 5400 160gb drive is the one for me... :)

[damienvfx]

Yayy!!!! I hope they have this at my local apple store this morning.