Where is the awesome new musical movement?

[lmalave]

Ok, so I happened to be listening to "Anarchy in the U.K." today, and I started thinking: man why isn't there any new music emerging at least as groundbreaking as the Sex Pistols. We have all the ingredients don't we? Turmoil. Malaise. Heck, there's even a new baby boom. C'mon kids, is the best that could come out of the new baby boom Britney and N'Sync? Oh yeah, now the kids are branching out to Avril Lavigne :rolleyes:

By all rights we should be due for something big. The last exciting period in music was the early 90's which saw the emergence of grunge ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" set the seminal moment), gangsta rap ("******* the Police" was the seminal moment), and a little bit later the beginnings of drum n' bass / trip-hop (not sure what the seminal monent is here, I caught on to it quite late).

So what's the next big thing? Am I just missing it 'cause I'm an old fuddy-duddy? The only really new thing going on here in NYC is Electroclash, which is electro/techno music with a Bowie-esque decadent/androgynous style (or, alternatively post-punk new-wave/Romantic style, they're rather similar). I personally don't like it, though - the whole scene seems rather pretentious. What else is going on out there in the music world?

[medea]

sorry man but there is plenty going on in the music scene, you just arnt aware of it, and it's not your fault there just is not much exposure in the states for anything outside of typical mtv garbage, what I would recommend you doing is go down to your local Borders (or B&N if you like) and check out some indie and u.k. music mags and such like NME, URB, Xlr8r, Wire, and plenty others, also check out some sites online like my favorite for reviews www.pitchforkmedia.com
tell me what your interested in and I'll be happy to make some recommendations.

[shadowfax]

if you mean "pop" revolution, i think that's pathetic. i think that the pop-style movements really started by the beatles hav just gone to hell. if you want to find innovation and depth in music, i wouldn't be listening to pop music, or wait around for it to come around. make the effort, as medea said, to find the new vibes in music. they are indeed there.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by medea
sorry man but there is plenty going on in the music scene, you just arnt aware of it, and it's not your fault there just is not much exposure in the states for anything outside of typical mtv garbage, what I would recommend you doing is go down to your local Borders (or B&N if you like) and check out some indie and u.k. music mags and such like NME, URB, Xlr8r, Wire, and plenty others, also check out some sites online like my favorite for reviews www.pitchforkmedia.com
tell me what your interested in and I'll be happy to make some recommendations.

But how "new" are they? I'm not talking evolutionary incremental stuff. Of course there is a myriad of interesting stuff out there. Always has been. Always will be. Millions of artists experimenting will of course come up with all sorts of different stuff. I'm referring to significant movements. For example, wether or not you like hard-core rap, "******* the Police" was a freakin' atomic bomb that marked a departure point in one of the major new musical forms of the last few decades. Similarly, "Anarchy in the U.K." marked a pretty radical departure. Yes there are precursors that hinted at it, but "Anarchy" was still totally fresh. Anything like that out there?

I guess you answered my question, though. There's nothing that's setting the world on fire. Pretty lame if you ask me. The world needs it right now...

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by lmalave
But how "new" are they? I'm not talking evolutionary incremental stuff. Of course there is a myriad of interesting stuff out there. Always has been. Always will be. Millions of artists experimenting will of course come up with all sorts of different stuff. I'm referring to significant movements. For example, wether or not you like hard-core rap, "******* the Police" was a freakin' atomic bomb that marked a departure point in one of the major new musical forms of the last few decades. Similarly, "Anarchy in the U.K." marked a pretty radical departure. Yes there are precursors that hinted at it, but "Anarchy" was still totally fresh. Anything like that out there?

I guess you answered my question, though. There's nothing that's setting the world on fire. Pretty lame if you ask me. The world needs it right now...

have you heard the Dismemberment Plan? i thought they were a pretty radical departure from the norm, sometimes even a departure from the normal definition of music itself... you should check them out if you haven't. they are on their final tour before they break up though.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
if you mean "pop" revolution, i think that's pathetic. i think that the pop-style movements really started by the beatles hav just gone to hell. if you want to find innovation and depth in music, i wouldn't be listening to pop music, or wait around for it to come around. make the effort, as medea said, to find the new vibes in music. they are indeed there.

I think that's a bit shortsighted. Was it pathetic when Rock and Roll came along? Swing? Jazz? How about the Waltz? People thought Johann Strauss whas a dance-music composing sellout :rolleyes:

Popular music is the soundtrack to history, so I don't think it can so easily be dismissed is as "pathetic."

[lmalave]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
have you heard the Dismemberment Plan? i thought they were a pretty radical departure from the norm, sometimes even a departure from the normal definition of music itself... you should check them out if you haven't. they are on their final tour before they break up though.

Cool, I'll check them out :cool:

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by lmalave
I think that's a bit shortsighted. Was it pathetic when Rock and Roll came along? Swing? Jazz? How about the Waltz? People thought Johann Strauss whas a dance-music composing sellout :rolleyes:

Popular music is the soundtrack to history, so I don't think it can so easily be dismissed is as "pathetic." i never said that pop music has always been trashy. I love the beatles to death. some of their popular music, though, showed signs of a deterioration of pop music, and it's really gone downhill from there. the 80's pop really displayed this. sure, there are some great artists who manage to be popular these days, but by and large that stuff is trash. it does, though, symbolize history, i guess, and the cultural hell the mass of america is getting into. read amusing ourselves to death to see what i mean. but alas, no, i am not shortsighted as you suggest. swing, jazz, rock and roll were still pretty valid forms, rock progressively less so in many ways, but certainly jazz and swing. and classical music was pop in it's time. i'm not dissing pop by virtue of its being pop. sorry.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
i never said that pop music has always been trashy. I love the beatles to death. some of their popular music, though, showed signs of a deterioration of pop music, and it's really gone downhill from there. the 80's pop really displayed this. sure, there are some great artists who manage to be popular these days, but by and large that stuff is trash. it does, though, symbolize history, i guess, and the cultural hell the mass of america is getting into. read amusing ourselves to death to see what i mean. but alas, no, i am not shortsighted as you suggest. swing, jazz, rock and roll were still pretty valid forms, rock progressively less so in many ways, but certainly jazz and swing. and classical music was pop in it's time. i'm not dissing pop by virtue of its being pop. sorry.

Ah, well, we do indeed live in vulgar times. I think this has a lot to do with technological change. Modern manufacturing has vastly improved our standard of living but led to an ever more consumerist, ever more disposable society and culture. And then of course the medium has an effect. Radio led to the rise of the 4-minute pop song. Television has led to the MTV hegemony over music.

[Judo]

Maybe there are to many people watching and listening to mainstream outlets of music that don't realize that there is anything worth looking for outside of that box for there to be any kind of groundbreaking revolution in music.
I don't really think there needs to be one either, cause if you do look outside of that box for 10 minuntes you will find some mind blowing music out here, but I guess it would be good if something did come along in the mainstream and ruffle up this Boy band/Girl band, R&B, poser rock, etc, etc dross that gets hammered out everyyear and forgotten the next.
Mainstream can end up tainting good music though.
It dosn't bother me in the slightist, I have the music I like to listen to and others will have theirs.


Anyone else here lovvvve Mr Scruff???

[conceptdev]

There is plenty of quality music in the world. But I am going to offer a thought - there has been for the past several years groundbreaking changes in the music industry. Content aside the entire system of music production and dissemination is suffering a severe crisis - how that plays out in the next several years will change the environment. Its a historical time for the medium.

As far as movements go - everything culturally follows an evolutionary path and then one day it reaches a critical mass and POW you have people saying there is a movement and fanboys trying to mimic or adopting an aesthetic. I like to think of it kind of like philosophy you have different schools - whether they are based on an idea, a method an aesthetic or a "sound." They never stop growing in the background and permutating and from time to time they come into vogue or pull of something really spectacular and garner attention. Take drum and bass for example it had a few days in the sun and was a very cool thing in its early days but personally I think most of the early stuff sucks I think it took time to mature and become really tasty.

Even a mythical moment like the 1976 Sex Pistols gig didn't stop there it just put ideas in peoples heads that whent in many different directions.

Judo: Only have a Mr Scruff track on a Fila Brazillia record - but it is definitely tasty.

[sparkleytone]

three words:

return to classicism.

opera in particular is already seeing a boost and will continue to rise. case in point; baz luhrman's broadway production of La Boheme.

[amnesiac1984]

Ah mr scruff is awesome!!!!!!!!

You jsut need ot get out and discover some of these non-mainstream artists. ANd then what oyu need ot do is go and see as much of it live as you can.

you need to get into Sigur Rós, godspeed you black emperor, mogwai, as well as Will Oldham, Karate, Fugazi, then you got the whole funky chilled electronic scene like, filla brazilia, bonobo, lemon jelly, and what about anitcon group of Hip-Hop artists: Buck 65, Sage Francis, Sole (seen him live :D), clouddead.

the you got lali puna, múm, cornelius, i'm gonna stop cos this is just gonna turn into a random jumble of names,

Maybe this is a good place to plug my new website, just started, got a few reviews of new stuff I find and will be updated everytime i discover something new and good, whether its a new album from an old group or a completely new (to me) group.. I also have my own tunes and jsut random **** about me too. here is link (http://homepage.mac.com/idioteque/retrac2)

[lmalave]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Ah mr scruff is awesome!!!!!!!!

You jsut need ot get out and discover some of these non-mainstream artists. ANd then what oyu need ot do is go and see as much of it live as you can.

you need to get into Sigur Rós, godspeed you black emperor, mogwai, as well as Will Oldham, Karate, Fugazi, then you got the whole funky chilled electronic scene like, filla brazilia, bonobo, lemon jelly, and what about anitcon group of Hip-Hop artists: Buck 65, Sage Francis, Sole (seen him live :D), clouddead.

the you got lali puna, múm, cornelius, i'm gonna stop cos this is just gonna turn into a random jumble of names,

Maybe this is a good place to plug my new website, just started, got a few reviews of new stuff I find and will be updated everytime i discover something new and good, whether its a new album from an old group or a completely new (to me) group.. I also have my own tunes and jsut random **** about me too. here is link (http://homepage.mac.com/idioteque/retrac2)

Sweeeeeet, thanks for the list (I've only heard Sigur Ros, Mogwai, and Fugazi from your list. Yeah, I really like Sigur Ros / Mogwai type of stuff.)

Chilled electronica - I'll check it out, it sounds like my type of thing. I like ethereal drum 'n bass so I suppose it would be a similar vibe.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by lmalave
Sweeeeeet, thanks for the list (I've only heard Sigur Ros, Mogwai, and Fugazi from your list. Yeah, I really like Sigur Ros / Mogwai type of stuff.)

Chilled electronica - I'll check it out, it sounds like my type of thing. I'm a big fan of ethereal drum 'n bass.

Yeah, if your interested, check out Kid Loco, he's cool, chilled electronica is possibly not the best description, I'm pretty crap at putting music in boxes and I don't like doing it, ou have to jsut hear it. Check out four tet, thievery corporation, also, try to avoid the really cheesy "ultimate chillout collection" "top chillout room tunes" style crappy compilations, they have become far too commercialised, I have an early one from a few years back called "Served Chilled" not sure where it came from but its pretty darn cool.

As for compilations, I recommend Garden Party DJ's. thats how I discovered a lot of the stuff I mentioed above.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by lmalave
Ah, well, we do indeed live in vulgar times. I think this has a lot to do with technological change. Modern manufacturing has vastly improved our standard of living but led to an ever more consumerist, ever more disposable society and culture. And then of course the medium has an effect. Radio led to the rise of the 4-minute pop song. Television has led to the MTV hegemony over music. ironically, that book i recommended you (amusing ourselves to death) is about just what you said--the television's effect on the quality of our culture, specifically on the value of public discourse. he doesn't go much into the actual quality of art, but you can infer it to a large extent.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984's sig
we are accidents waiting to happen
dude, sorry for the OT, but what's that from?

[conceptdev]

I must second that thievery corporation recommendation - it has a nice dub tinge to it. If you like ethereal drum&bass check out hooverphonic "blue wonder power milk" is good "magic tree" is hideous. Also i really like Thunderball they are a drum&bass act on thievery corporations label ESL.

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by conceptdev
I must second that thievery corporation recommendation - it has a nice dub tinge to it. If you like ethereal drum&bass check out hooverphonic "blue wonder power milk" is good "magic tree" is hideous. Also i really like Thunderball they are a drum&bass act on thievery corporations label ESL.

Hooverphonic is more Trip Hop than D&B. Trip hop was a great movement (96-00 I think). Some great groups came out of Bristol England area. Try some Massive Attack (but not 100th window), Portishead, Lamb, Olive, Sneaker Pimps, Morcheba...

Also to add on to someone saying MTV is killing music. I have to say that in the last five years I have yet to see an actual music video on MTV... SELLOUTS. The new music scene is so bad these days that I'm resorting to looking into older music like old trance, house and even oldschool hiphop and freestyle. But I'm really digging the Bourne Identity Soundtrack!

[trebblekicked]

there are a lot of people on this board that know their music! thats ****** sweet.

i'll repeat what's been said because it's important to hear: forget about pop-music trends. mainstream pop music will let one Beck slip out for every one hundred avril levignes, and one radiohead for every three hundred linkin parks.

a very smart man once said "Any mainstream band can be famous. You can suck ass and be famous. But you've gotta know your ****** to make it on your own".

First of all, if you haven't heard these bands, try some of their stuff out imediately if not sooner:

pavement
belle & sebastian
built to spill
the sea and cake
tortoise
sleater-kinney
the mountian goats
neutral milk hotel
olivia tremor control
jon spencer blues explosion

these bands should be good listening for you. Some are different, others (IMO) are just plain better.

reindeer section
modest mouse
beat happening
papa m
the lonesome organist
jad fair
the borderless puzzle
salena catalina
the circulatory system
stephen malkmus and the jicks
marmoset
all natural lemon and lime flavors
tullycraft
Strict F.L.O.W.
lambchop
smog
scud mountain boys

it's just my opinion, of course, but there is so much good music out there. i just want to direct those who might like it in it's general direction.:)

[dstorey]

Originally posted by lmalave
The only really new thing going on here in NYC is Electroclash, which is electro/techno music with a Bowie-esque decadent/androgynous style (or, alternatively post-punk new-wave/Romantic style, they're rather similar). I personally don't like it, though - the whole scene seems rather pretentious. What else is going on out there in the music world?

While in the uk I'd agree with you, but how can you say the same about NYC? I'd love to be there right now with the whole brooklyn (foget how to spell it) scene. Just check out http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/music/features/music2002/n_7754//index2.html for example. Although a lot are sounding like the Strokes, I think they were a breath of fresh (if retro) air when they came out, but then again I loved the whole cbgb scene. Out of them bands I really like the french kicks at the moment. Theres the obvious scene in Detroit as well, and also around california again, australia, new zealand and scandinavia....dunno whats happened to the uk though :(

some slightly underground bands i like at the moment are The Sleepy Jackson, The Jets, the thrills, Spoons, Shins, The Raveonettes, The Kills, Detroit Cobra's, The Dirtbombs, The Come Ons, The Delta 72, The Now Time Delegation, witches, electric six, the go, the sights, the paybacks, Von Bondies, vue, nebula, brian jones massacre, the warlocks, polymorphic spree (very weird), the out crowd, kings of leon, low, love life, my morning jacket, cat power, hot hot heat, moco, kenisis, buffseeds, 80's matchbox b line disaster, hogboy, 22-20's, saharah hotnights, division of laura lee, international noise conspiricy, the soundtrack of our lives etc etc (i cant be bothered to list the nyc ones as most are on that web site. Of course there are the more istablished ones too like belle and sebastian, jon spencer blues explosion (i think it was them not the strokes that started the whole nyc garage scene again), strokes, white strips, yeah yeah yeahs, vines, d4 and the datsuns.... well theres enough bands anyway....dam I'm a guitar band nerd....

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
dude, sorry for the OT, but what's that from?

come on shadowfax, you know it. Think of your signature, then think of the song before the song before that and then think of the last line. :D

NavyIntel, whats wrong with 100th window? I've not heard it that much but what I have heard is pretty cool, quite a direction change for massive attack i feel.

edit: Yeah, Bristol is a good scene to be part of :), My other scene, the isle of wight, has recently bore fruit, anyone heard The Bees? runenrs up for mercury music award last year, their album is really good, and very different, its the perfect feel good summer album without being cheesy and poppy. Albums called "Sunshine Hit Me" highly recommended for anyone.

[boskie]

For Electronica/Trip Hop/Breakbeat/Future Funk, i dabble in a bit of:

Boards Of Canada
Two Lone Swordsman/Radioactive Man/The Sabres of Paradise/Rotters Golf Club
Autechre
Luke Vibert/Wagon Christ/Plug One
Aphex Twin aka :eek:
Amon Tobin
Mr Scruff
The Cinematic Orchestra
This is bloody endless...



Warp Records (http://warprecords.com/)
Ninja Tunes (http://www.ninjatune.net/home/)

NavyIntel, whats wrong with 100th window? I've not heard it that much but what I have heard is pretty cool, quite a direction change for massive attack i feel.


I Agree. I just went to see them at Brixton Academy Saturday just gone and it was a really great show - they had a massive screen show "Real Time" World Statistics scrolling in every which direction and wot-not. It made me quite dizzy frankly:confused::D .

It was the first time i've seen them live and i was impressed, with both the music which accompanied this 100th Window tour and also a good few cherished older songs.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
come on shadowfax, you know it. Think of your signature, then think of the song before the song before that and then think of the last line. :D ahhhhh yes. i thought it was radiohead, but i couldn't peg it.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
ahhhhh yes. i thought it was radiohead, but i couldn't peg it.

you got it,

you sig is from my favourite song of the album, his vocals at the chorus a couple of lines after that quote is amazing. sort of shouting and really angry,b ut still singing really high in falsetto, i don't get how he does it.

[e-coli]

bro, there's so much going on in music right now. rock is dead. MTV sucks. so much is happening in electronica right now, it's crazy. we're in such a music renaissance right now, where all styles are starting to come together.

check out the aesthetics label. It's pretty much all good.

pulseprogramming is great. Tulsa for One Second is such a great album.

here (http://www.aesthetics-usa.com/bio/Pulseprogrammingbio.html)

[scem0]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
you got it,

you sig is from my favourite song of the album, his vocals at the chorus a couple of lines after that quote is amazing. sort of shouting and really angry,b ut still singing really high in falsetto, i don't get how he does it.

WHat is the name of this song?

I am really in to vocal songs (kind of sounds dumb - vocal songs).
You know, ones that really put an emphasis on the singer's
voice. And you don't come across an amazing singer every day.
;)

[dstorey]

Originally posted by e-coli
bro, there's so much going on in music right now. rock is dead. MTV sucks. so much is happening in electronica right now, it's crazy. we're in such a music renaissance right now, where all styles are starting to come together.


I couldn't disagree more! Rocks finally alive again, we are in the mists of a new rock revolution....well here in the uk anyway we get to hear a lot of good new rock stuff, not just the usuless excuss for rock that is boy bands for the alternative kids like nu metal and nu punk....more like pop punk and pop metal.... MTV does suck but at least MTV2 is kinda alright, though i don't get to see it much.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by dstorey
Although a lot are sounding like the Strokes, I think they were a breath of fresh (if retro) air when they came out, but then again I loved the whole cbgb scene.

Yeah, I like the Strokes and their ilk, but as you said, they're more retro than anything. So they're only new in the sense of "everything old is new again". That's why highlighted Electroclash instead of the NYC rock scene, because I think Electroclash is breaking new ground if not musically, then at least in terms of making performance art an intergral part of that music scene.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by e-coli
bro, there's so much going on in music right now. rock is dead. MTV sucks. so much is happening in electronica right now, it's crazy. we're in such a music renaissance right now, where all styles are starting to come together.
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Yeah, the explosion in electronica genres in the 90's, as well as great new rock bands like Radiohead, did indeed give me much hope at the time. I attributed it to millenial angst. What I wouldn't give for some millenial angst right now, though. I'll take Millenial Angst over Clash of Civilizations anyday. I'm ready for the Revolution man! Where is it? 1000 different movements does not a revolution make.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by dstorey
I couldn't disagree more! Rocks finally alive again, we are in the mists of a new rock revolution....well here in the uk anyway we get to hear a lot of good new rock stuff, not just the usuless excuss for rock that is boy bands for the alternative kids like nu metal and nu punk....more like pop punk and pop metal.... MTV does suck but at least MTV2 is kinda alright, though i don't get to see it much.

Hmm...but is it really a "new rock revolution"? A lot of the "new" sounds I hear now aren't that different from the post-punk stuff that I grew up with in the 80's. What strikes me is actually when you go back and listen to music from the punk and post-punk eras and it doesn't sound dated at all, because rock music today is so recycled and retro.

[dstorey]

no, its not new in that it sounds different from old stuff, but to me if its good it doesn't matter if it soiunds new or not and at least it wont date as quickly. To me there is only so much you can do with a few guitars, a bass and drums....Myself i don't like electronic computer sounding music or dance type stuff. And after all in other things everythings not sio new, a phones still a phone, computers still a computer...they get fasted and more features but thats about it. I dunno really what you could do to rock to make it sound all new apart from merging it with other genres or turning electronic. But thats just my opinion, I like rock as bare bones rock, raw, powerful, guitar based, about the music etc

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by dstorey
no, its not new in that it sounds different from old stuff, but to me if its good it doesn't matter if it soiunds new or not and at least it wont date as quickly. To me there is only so much you can do with a few guitars, a bass and drums....Myself i don't like electronic computer sounding music or dance type stuff. And after all in other things everythings not sio new, a phones still a phone, computers still a computer...they get fasted and more features but thats about it. I dunno really what you could do to rock to make it sound all new apart from merging it with other genres or turning electronic. But thats just my opinion, I like rock as bare bones rock, raw, powerful, guitar based, about the music etc

I think this is the problem with music in general. THe mainstream electronic scene is purely designed for people to dance to while on ecstacy. :p However there's a whole load of electronic music out there that is waiting to be discovered, and would be loved by most rock fans.

I remember at school when there was the rockers who were into their heavy rock and the people into their dance music, the rockers used to go "whats the point of this *********, its all repeating the same bas drum beiong battered out really loud" they never got to hear any decent electronica before having a stereotype drummed into them, so from then on anything loop based with heavy sounding electronic drums was just repetitive crap to them, I went through this myself, If my bro hadn't been so into drum n bass and weened me off my guitar rock only tastes, I would probably not have a nearly as wide a listening range as I do now. Heck I probably would have hated hte last two radiohead albums, and the new one as well.

I think it helps being into music creation, once you've been in a band, as well as had a go at producing electronic records in logic or reason, you realise how easily some tunes oyu hear could have been made. Then you get to appreciate the more interesting music that cannot be made by someone who can play three chords on guitar or someone who can use a mac. Having said that, its all about song writing, and I've heard some awesome songs that are jsut three chords on a guitar and a singer and nothing else!!

you can be as good as the best producers at using logic etc, but not be able to make good electronic music, similarly, you could be the best guitarist in the world, people will love you for your skill at twiddly notes, but if you can't write an interesting decent tune, then its not worth it.

edit: i think i contradicted myself badly, but you cannot define music anyway, sorry for the rant guys :o i've bored myself already

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
NavyIntel, whats wrong with 100th window? I've not heard it that much but what I have heard is pretty cool, quite a direction change for massive attack i feel.


Yeah, but from what I hear it's one of the first CDs to go out there with copy protection on it. I would have been first to buy this CD until I heard that.

[dstorey]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
I its all about song writing, and I've heard some awesome songs that are jsut three chords on a guitar and a singer and nothing else!!

you can be as good as the best producers at using logic etc, but not be able to make good electronic music, similarly, you could be the best guitarist in the world, people will love you for your skill at twiddly notes, but if you can't write an interesting decent tune, then its not worth it.



yeah, some of my favorite songs are by like the ramones, stooges whatever...they can hardly play and its dumb but it sounds good. Of course then there are the really technical stuff like the doors and hendrix that arn't easy to play but sound amazing too....Though i always laugh at stuff like fatboy slim that sell millions but just really use samples and like one filter effect or something that anyone that can use a computer could do. I suppose you could say the same about punk but at least you have to learn to play a real instrument a bit and write your own songs, not just drag and drop a few bits and click a few menu options to do stutter effects etc on ever song.

[howard]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
I think this is the problem with music in general. THe mainstream electronic scene is purely designed for people to dance to while on ecstacy. :p However there's a whole load of electronic music out there that is waiting to be discovered, and would be loved by most rock fans.

I remember at school when there was the rockers who were into their heavy rock and the people into their dance music, the rockers used to go "whats the point of this *********, its all repeating the same bas drum beiong battered out really loud" they never got to hear any decent electronica before having a stereotype drummed into them, so from then on anything loop based with heavy sounding electronic drums was just repetitive crap to them, I went through this myself, If my bro hadn't been so into drum n bass and weened me off my guitar rock only tastes, I would probably not have a nearly as wide a listening range as I do now. Heck I probably would have hated hte last two radiohead albums, and the new one as well.

I think it helps being into music creation, once you've been in a band, as well as had a go at producing electronic records in logic or reason, you realise how easily some tunes oyu hear could have been made. Then you get to appreciate the more interesting music that cannot be made by someone who can play three chords on guitar or someone who can use a mac. Having said that, its all about song writing, and I've heard some awesome songs that are jsut three chords on a guitar and a singer and nothing else!!

you can be as good as the best producers at using logic etc, but not be able to make good electronic music, similarly, you could be the best guitarist in the world, people will love you for your skill at twiddly notes, but if you can't write an interesting decent tune, then its not worth it.

edit: i think i contradicted myself badly, but you cannot define music anyway, sorry for the rant guys :o i've bored myself already

you may have contradicted yourself but i TOTALLY agree. and your right, you can't define music. its all up to taste, completely. and theres a lot of diverse taste around these days.

i hate classifiying music as well...instead of saying..its rock...or its electronic i say...go and listen to the album!

also, yes i would be nice to have a mainstream music revolution. but there is cool stuff out there...its just hard to find which is a pain in the butt unless you really really like finding it.

for those of you in the uk, you might know these guys...there kinda coldplay-ish ...yes i just said i don't like classifiing music...so go listen to the cd!...its the band elbow. check them out

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Yeah, but from what I hear it's one of the first CDs to go out there with copy protection on it. I would have been first to buy this CD until I heard that.

lol I downloaded it from KDX so, it didn't work, in fact its on my server now.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by howard


for those of you in the uk, you might know these guys...there kinda coldplay-ish ...yes i just said i don't like classifiing music...so go listen to the cd!...its the band elbow. check them out

jeeez, ilove elbow. My mate from this band (http://www.fortunedrive.com) told me about them a few months back, they are pretty awesome, I haven't listened to it for a while but powder blue, asleep in the back and a few others are still in my top 25 play count itunes thingy.

Apparently they started out as a dodgy dark techno duo and remained underground for about ten years, then decided to make a decent record and go for the big time. SOmething new is coming from them soon I think, got an email from their list.

[vniow]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
jeeez, ilove elbow.

Mmmmm......Elbow....they do a killer cover of Destiny's Child - Independent Women.

http://www.rathergood.com/independent_woman/

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by lmalave
Ok, so I happened to be listening to "Anarchy in the U.K." today, and I started thinking: man why isn't there any new music emerging at least as groundbreaking as the Sex Pistols. We have all the ingredients don't we? Turmoil. Malaise. Heck, there's even a new baby boom. C'mon kids, is the best that could come out of the new baby boom Britney and N'Sync? Oh yeah, now the kids are branching out to Avril Lavigne :rolleyes:

By all rights we should be due for something big. The last exciting period in music was the early 90's which saw the emergence of grunge ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" set the seminal moment), gangsta rap ("******* the Police" was the seminal moment), and a little bit later the beginnings of drum n' bass / trip-hop (not sure what the seminal monent is here, I caught on to it quite late).

So what's the next big thing? Am I just missing it 'cause I'm an old fuddy-duddy? The only really new thing going on here in NYC is Electroclash, which is electro/techno music with a Bowie-esque decadent/androgynous style (or, alternatively post-punk new-wave/Romantic style, they're rather similar). I personally don't like it, though - the whole scene seems rather pretentious. What else is going on out there in the music world?

every decade has its thing, but the 2000s won't see anything IMHO

the 50s saw chuck berry, little richard, buddy holly, and elvis

the 60s had the british invasion, sf sound, surf music, and motown

the 70s saw disco, art rock, country rock, and heavy metal

the 80s had punk, rap, michael jackson, and new wave

the 90s had grunge for sure

but this decade, with all the things that came before it, is going to be hard pressed to come up with something new and exciting

[howard]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
jeeez, ilove elbow. My mate from this band (http://www.fortunedrive.com) told me about them a few months back, they are pretty awesome, I haven't listened to it for a while but powder blue, asleep in the back and a few others are still in my top 25 play count itunes thingy.

Apparently they started out as a dodgy dark techno duo and remained underground for about ten years, then decided to make a decent record and go for the big time. SOmething new is coming from them soon I think, got an email from their list.

wow that band as a really good site. what does your friend play in the band? its sounds pretty good. i looked on amg and couldn't find them, have the released anything yet?

[dstorey]

Originally posted by vniow
Mmmmm......Elbow....they do a killer cover of Destiny's Child - Independent Women.

http://www.rathergood.com/independent_woman/

dam, thats hillarious...right down to the over the top Manc accent. I never knew people would have heard of Elbow state side. They came out here at the time of the death of indie's popularity here, along with the likes of My Victriol, King Adora, JJ72m Lowgold etc and none of them really got that big (yeah even though King Adora's named after something big). I thought only really Travis, Coldplay and maybe Sterophonics from that sort of era would have made it over the pond.