More Core 2 Duo MacBook Rumblings

[MacRumors]

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Continuing the ever-present hum of Core 2 Duo MacBook rumors, AppleInsider reports that the much-anticipated upgrade may come this week (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2207).

Some readers will recall that last week was filled with similar but less-certain claims. A page 2 report by MacRumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061031195123.shtml) had pieced a few, apparently coincidental reports together that suggested an update may have been in the works by late last week. Even after that did not pan out, a European reseller claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/11/20061102134456.shtml) that Core 2 Duo Macbooks would be arriving for sale on November 13th. This claim is largely regarded as a spotlight grab, and there is no evidence that the reseller has any inside information.

The newest information published by AppleInsider reveals 3 Apple product numbers. The product numbers are in sequence, which is common for products in the same family, and suggests that the numbers will be used as the replacement numbers for Apple's 3 MacBook models. The new products are reportedly en-route to the U.S. this week.

AppleInsider has previously claimed that development of the models had been finished (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060919000003.shtml) and was set for release before the beginning of the holiday shopping season at the end of November.

[ColdFlame87]

Bring them on for all those waiting for updated Macbooks!

[scott523]

Yes!! New MacBooks! Best Buy inventory also gave me a hint of this week or next. *prepares to return my 3 day old MB* :D

[Stridder44]

Now I wonder if this means other minor hardware changes or just simply a switch to C2D...

[powermac_daddy]

waiting for my OX 10.5 macbook pro.

when is that gonna be? what is the configuration gonna be like?

[Scarlet Fever]

good. this should stop all those Waiting For C2D MB threads...


Now I wonder if this means other minor hardware changes or just simply a switch to C2D...

maybe bigger HDDs, but i would think thats about it. Apple have shocked us in the past, though... :D

[aswitcher]

I really hope they put a graphics card in it (even 64MB) and an 802.11N capable wifi card.

[DMann]

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Continuing the ever-present hum of Core 2 Duo MacBook rumors, AppleInsider reports that the much-anticipated upgrade may come this week (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2207).

Some readers will recall that last week was filled with similar but less-certain claims. A page 2 report by MacRumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061031195123.shtml) had pieced a few, apparently coincidental reports together that suggested an update may have been in the works by late last week. Even after that did not pan out, a European reseller claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/11/20061102134456.shtml) that Core 2 Duo Macbooks would be arriving for sale on November 13th. This claim is largely regarded as a spotlight grab, and there is no evidence that the reseller has any inside information.

The newest information published by AppleInsider reveals 3 Apple product numbers. The product numbers are in sequence, which is common for products in the same family, and suggests that the numbers will be used as the replacement numbers for Apple's 3 MacBook models. The new products are reportedly en-route to the U.S. this week.

AppleInsider has previously claimed that development of the models had been finished (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060919000003.shtml) and was set for release before the beginning of the holiday shopping season at the end of November.

Wouldn't it be great if a graphics card appeared in these updates...?

[iSMH]

...finally...

Apple has dropped the ball here. Now that most laptops ship with the same chips, Apple can't claim the "Mhz Myth" or anything like that. They will have to keep up to speed, no pun intended.

[MXDT]

...finally...

Apple has dropped the ball here. Now that most laptops ship with the same chips, Apple can't claim the "Mhz Myth" or anything like that. They will have to keep up to speed, no pun intended.


Werd!:cool:

You want intel chips.... well you're gonna have to keep up with the intel's fever paced processor upgrades Apple!

[spicyapple]

Now that Apple has consolidated the portable line on Intel C2D processors, the line between the pro and consumer models are diminished. Perhaps Apple should combine the two lines into one with 4 models across the line, employing an updated MB enclosure.

[Sanctus Irae]

I mainly hope that they go up to 1GB of RAM with this. Maybe a minor hard-drive upgrade too. Either way, I'm buying.

But it looks that it'll be soon, and I'm freakin' excited.

Although I hate to say... Intel will keep updating and within a few months there'll be a new "best processor". I'm mainly hoping that I won't regret buying this as it's instantly upgraded.

[randyharris]

Slap a Core 2 Duo in it, bump it up to a 15 or 15.4 inch screen and watch it become Apples best selling notebook ever.

:)

[vanzskater272]

All I want is a real graphics card.

[yoda13]

All I want is a real graphics card.

Me too, but I doubt that we will see it....:cool:

[wildmac]

All I want is a real graphics card.

All I want is the bugs fixed. :D ...and a faster processor, and the graphics card, and the updated Airport, and better cooling, and... :rolleyes:

[psychometry]

Slap a Core 2 Duo in it, bump it up to a 15 or 15.4 inch screen and watch it become Apples best selling notebook ever.

:)
And don't have a single 12/13in model in existence? I don't think so.

Some people want small form factors. It's a shame Apple thinks form factors and power are in a 1-to-1 relationship. Some people want powerful laptops with smaller displays (12in PB is no more) or less powerful laptops with larger displays (15in iBook is no more). Hopefully Apple learns to stop limiting themselves in this way. Think differently differently.

[scottlinux]

eh. I'm waiting for the 8-core macbook.

[psychometry]

eh. I'm waiting for the 8-core macbook.
I'm waiting for the 65536-core SuperMegaAggroMacBook.

[Warbrain]

...finally...

Apple has dropped the ball here. Now that most laptops ship with the same chips, Apple can't claim the "Mhz Myth" or anything like that. They will have to keep up to speed, no pun intended.

The other company's comparable machines to the MacBook Pro have C2D processors. The ones that compete against the MacBook don't for the most part. Apple didn't drop the ball.

[longofest]

Wouldn't it be great if a graphics card appeared in these updates...?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

[sluthy]

Does anyone in Australia (or anywhere else similar) know exactly when your education discount no longer applies for uni? Your last day of classes? Your last exam? Graduation day 2-3 months later? Because I should be finishing in February and I wanted to know how long to hold out. Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?

[mgauss]

Where is my 2 lb Apple laptop? Sony has one. Panasonic has one.

[Bobjob186]

Would you buy a CD MB the day the C2D comes out for $700

[zigziggityzoo]

Does anyone in Australia (or anywhere else similar) know exactly when your education discount no longer applies for uni? Your last day of classes? Your last exam? Graduation day 2-3 months later? Because I should be finishing in February and I wanted to know how long to hold out. Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?


The day of your last Exam. Or, your last day of classes, whichever is last.

[sierra oscar]

Does anyone in Australia (or anywhere else similar) know exactly when your education discount no longer applies for uni? Your last day of classes? Your last exam? Graduation day 2-3 months later? Because I should be finishing in February and I wanted to know how long to hold out. Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?

Your University ID would have an expiry date - that usually finishes long before Graduation - as you know Graduations are usually a few months after your last day of uni.

If your uni ID card has an electronic expiry date (and not visible to you) - then assume your status as a student ends when uni breaks up for the last semester, you are no longer enrolled so to speak. Just like using public transport and other such things with student discount - you can't use those just b/c you haven't been to a ceremony at a later date.

[Warbrain]

Where is my 2 lb Apple laptop? Sony has one. Panasonic has one.

Apple will never make a laptop that is that size because it would mean that they would have to take out the optical drive and make the computer ultimately worthless without a docking station. Apple will never make a computer that isn't fully capable from the start.

[Scarlet Fever]

Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?

I seem to remember Jobs saying Leopard would ship in spring (our autumn).

[wildmac]

Would you buy a CD MB the day the C2D comes out for $700

a new black one?.. yeah.... :cool:

[Warbrain]

a new black one?.. yeah.... :cool:

I would too, but I'm just warning whoever posted the price that 700 bucks would be very low for the computer.

[lmalave]

Where is my 2 lb Apple laptop? Sony has one. Panasonic has one.

My prediction: Apple will eventually come out with a 10.6" widescreen "MacBook mini". I think it'll more like 3 lbs, not 2 lbs, though, since that Sony laptop does not have an optical drive. I hope Apple doesn't do away with the optical drive (and I don't think they will), since I think that being a portable DVD player is really a core function of laptops at this point, at least a multimedia and consumer centered laptop (which a MacBook mini would be).

I've seen the Fujitsu 10.6" LifeBook laptops with built-in optical drive and they are sweeeeeeeeeeeet!:

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=6170351&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=10-28291577-2

One thing about the Fujitsu computers though - they are *expensive* (about $2000). Since Apple is one of the best companies in the world at making very compact products, maybe they can release a game-changing computer in this category. I mean, what if Apple were to basically release the MacBook, just with a smaller screen - and for about the same price as the MacBook!! Apple would have a monster hit on its hands, IMHO. It would be extremely popular with a lot of customers, but especially with students that are already carrying already heavy books, etc. in their bookbags, and would love a lighter, more compact computer...

[twoodcc]

would love to see it happen this week, or even tomorrow. but i'll believe it when i see it. i know it's coming soon though.

[Warbrain]

My prediction: Apple will eventually come out with a 10.6" widescreen "MacBook mini". I think it'll more like 3 lbs, not 2 lbs, though, since that Sony laptop does not have an optical drive. I hope Apple doesn't do away with the optical drive (and I don't think they will), since I think that being a portable DVD player is really a core function of laptops at this point, at least a multimedia and consumer centered laptop (which a MacBook mini would be).

I've seen the Fujitsu 10.6" LifeBook laptops with built-in optical drive and they are sweeeeeeeeeeeet!:

http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=6170351&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=10-28291577-2

One thing about the Fujitsu computers though - they are *expensive* (about $2000). Since Apple is one of the best companies in the world at making very compact products, maybe they can release a game-changing computer in this category. I mean, what if Apple were to basically release the MacBook, just with a smaller screen - and for about the same price as the MacBook!! Apple would have a monster hit on its hands, IMHO. It would be extremely popular with a lot of customers, but especially with students that are already carrying already heavy books, etc. in their bookbags, and would love a lighter, more compact computer...

I just don't see that happening, even if they have an optical drive in it. Apple is content with the portable line as it is, and the MacBook is pretty compact already. Plus, I don't see Apple using a smaller widescreen than 13.3".

[bwanac]

Still waiting to get one... needs 10.5 standard. Of course I could go splitsies with some friends on it.

[Ha ze]

Does anyone in Australia (or anywhere else similar) know exactly when your education discount no longer applies for uni? Your last day of classes? Your last exam? Graduation day 2-3 months later? Because I should be finishing in February and I wanted to know how long to hold out. Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?

Well... I haven't gone to school in over a year and a half, but I still have my student ID so I keep it in my wallet and use it whenever I buy stuff at the Apple Store. No expiration date printed on the ID

[lmalave]

Apple will never make a laptop that is that size because it would mean that they would have to take out the optical drive and make the computer ultimately worthless without a docking station. Apple will never make a computer that isn't fully capable from the start.

I agree with you that a 2 lb. laptop isn't possible with an optical drive, but a 3 lb. laptop is still possible:

(see the Fujitsu LifeBook)
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=6170351&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=10-28291577-2

I really think this is a possibility. And it would play to one of Apple's core strengths of late, which is making the most compact product in their category. Think of the entire iPod line, the Mac mini, The MacBook Pros (thinnest laptops at their size, or at least the 17" is).

I really think this will happen within the next year. Maybe Summer 2007 after Santa Rosa comes out. It would be a great back-to-school product...

[Warbrain]

I agree with you that a 2 lb. laptop isn't possible with an optical drive, but a 3 lb. laptop is still possible:

(see the Fujitsu LifeBook)
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=6170351&srccode=cii_5784816&cpncode=10-28291577-2

I really think this is a possibility. And it would play to one of Apple's core strengths of late, which is making the most compact product in their category. Think of the entire iPod line, the Mac mini, The MacBook Pros (thinnest laptops at their size, or at least the 17" is).

I really think this will happen within the next year. Maybe Summer 2007 after Santa Rosa comes out. It would be a great back-to-school product...

You have to consider the problems that Apple has had with heat and portables of late. There would likely be heat issues with such a portable, which makes it even more plausible that Apple won't make such a portable.

[mahonmeister]

If this is true then Apple has played their cards well. And if they were in place to release the iPhone and full screen iPod by Thanksgiving then they would really make a killing this holiday season. But getting the entire line-up refreshed is awesome.

I hope they eventually make a 15" MacBook and a 13" MacBook Pro. I think they are in a good spot to expand the line-up to cover a larger base of consumers. They're not dummies, the iBook/PowerBook line-up was great.

[exabytes18]

There are many possibilities for the graphics of the Macbook. The GMA950 is at about the end of the road. Maybe we'll see Intel's X3000. If not, one of Nvidia's or ATi's integrated solutions would be nice.

[Warbrain]

I hope they eventually make a 15" MacBook and a 13" MacBook Pro. I think they are in a good spot to expand the line-up to cover a larger base of consumers. They're not dummies, the iBook/PowerBook line-up was great.

And destroy the sales of the computers that they would be competing against in the line-up? Apple won't do it. That's why they're holding off as long on the MacBooks as possible.

[hooch]

I sure hope this is going to happen. I convinced my friend to buy a macbook and he just puchased one today. I have been trying to get him to hold off until the C2Ds were released. But, he desperately needs it for work since he is branching away from his current company. He needs one now. So, I hope he receives a C2D instead as a surprise.

[lmalave]

I just don't see that happening, even if they have an optical drive in it. Apple is content with the portable line as it is, and the MacBook is pretty compact already. Plus, I don't see Apple using a smaller widescreen than 13.3".

Apple content with portable line?!? I seriously doubt that - Jobs has repeatedly mentioned they have a *lot* of stuff in the pipeline.

And I don't see how you can say that Apple wouldn't go smaller than 13.3" widescreen. If Apple previously had a *non* widescreen 12" PowerBook, why on earth would they be opposed to having at least widescreen 12" laptop? I mean a 12" widescreen display is superior in almost every respect to a non-widescren 12" display. It's better not only for movie viewing but also in my experience for surfing the web, document, editing, etc. (can fit more text in one line, and scrolling vertically is more common/natural than scrolling horizontally).

So that's actually why I think a 10.6" widescreen is viable. Apple previously had a non-widescreen 12" PowerBook, and a 10.6" widescreen display is almost the same width...

[lmalave]

You have to consider the problems that Apple has had with heat and portables of late. There would likely be heat issues with such a portable, which makes it even more plausible that Apple won't make such a portable.

That's why I suggested sometime in 2007 after Santa Rosa.

[lmalave]

There are many possibilities for the graphics of the Macbook. The GMA950 is at about the end of the road. Maybe we'll see Intel's X3000. If not, one of Nvidia's or ATi's integrated solutions would be nice.

I doubt we will see a change in graphics. I mean, I still see Dell and the other computer makers offering the 950 for their "consumer" laptops. Apple is usually a few weeks behind Dell et. al. in offering the newer components, so I would be very pleasantly surprised if Apple actually changed the graphics.

[mdntcallr]

I really hope they put a graphics card in it (even 64MB) and an 802.11N capable wifi card.

keep wishing. for the graphics card. I wish apple would get a clue on this one, ie give a option of this for the higher end one.

but you will get the wifi card!! so.. 1/2 full, 1/2 empty.

i needed the graphics, so i got the MBP.

[justflie]

I'm guessing on absoutely know actual knowledge that the new macbooks will appear either today (tuesday) or a week from today. Or the week after that. Or the week after that... :rolleyes:

[mdntcallr]

You have to consider the problems that Apple has had with heat and portables of late. There would likely be heat issues with such a portable, which makes it even more plausible that Apple won't make such a portable.

The MBP core 2 duo, which just came out. has very good heat protection. it is nowhere as hot as the powerbook or version A, macbook pro.

I am sure that the macbook will also be a much better version of what is out now.

[pwfletcher]

Anyone watching Studio 60 on NBC tonight, Matthew Perry was using an aluminum 12" or 13" MacBook Pro. You could tell that it was a MacBook Pro and not a G4 because there was an iSight built in to the lid right above the screen. If you Tivo'd it, check it out! it was approximately 20 minutes in to the show.

[iBorg20181]

The other company's comparable machines to the MacBook Pro have C2D processors. The ones that compete against the MacBook don't for the most part. Apple didn't drop the ball.

Correct! The MB is an excellent value as-is. Of course we all want "more" for our money, and I expect Apple to drop the C2D into MBs soon - if not now, by MWSF at the latest. And if they offer a graphics chip as a BTO option, that's just icing on the cake - at their current price-point, I wouldn't be surprised if they keep integrated graphics, though (in part to push sales of MBPs for those needing a graphics chip.)

iBorg

[dtp]

I really hope the update is this Tuesday--I'll get out of lectures with my credit card in hand, ready to purchase. It can't come a minute too soon, as I really don't know how much longer my iBook has to last (bad noises, grinding, hanging, random shut downs...).

[Erasmus]

good. this should stop all those Waiting For C2D MB threads...

HA!

You know, these statements are becoming the new "Powerbook G5 Next Tuesday". That means really annoying, almost as bad as the "Waiting for Merom Macbook" threads themselves! And it's HILARIOUS! :D

I don't care about a new graphics card, but I do want my Macbook to have as good a battery life as possible. I also want it to be quiet, and cool.

Here's to neat Merom Macbooks Tomorrow!

[JackSYi]

My 2 cents: The MacBook are definitely going to be updated this month. Most likely tomorrow. Why do I think this? AppleInsider has reliable sources, they have never completely been wrong. The MacBooks will get Core 2 Duos (1.83, 2.0, 2.16), 802.11n cards, and possibly hard drive & RAM increase. Realistically we won't be getting a dedicated graphics card, bigger screens, or firewire 800.

Enjoying my Core 2 Duo MBP.

[typecase]

Anyone watching Studio 60 on NBC tonight, Matthew Perry was using an aluminum 12" or 13" MacBook Pro. You could tell that it was a MacBook Pro and not a G4 because there was an iSight built in to the lid right above the screen. If you Tivo'd it, check it out! it was approximately 20 minutes in to the show.


He usually uses a black Macbook. I'm sure it was just shot at a strange angle to make it appear aluminum.

[micromarcie]

I mainly hope that they go up to 1GB of RAM with this. Maybe a minor hard-drive upgrade too. Either way, I'm buying.

I hope for this as well. If not, I'll probably still go for it. It's not that much for a harddrive upgrade. As far as gig ram goes, why not? :D

Can anyone think of a reason not to order a C2D the day they come out? Wait to see if there's bugs or something?

Personally, I would find it kind of hard to wait!

[psychometry]

When touting the benefits of widescreen display, viewing websites shouldn't be one of the selling points. Non-widescreen displays are far superior than widescreen displays. Why? Simple. Websites scroll vertically. The longer the screen, the more you can display at once. Widescreen displays result in much more scrolling since any decent website doesn't require horizontal scrolling at ANY resolution. Having a wide but short window in a browser gives you nothing and takes away a lot.

You might say that you can get more text on one line with a widescreen display. Well, you don't really want this. There's a reason the 80-character standard exists. 80 might not always be appropriate, but the premise holds true that it's easier to read text in narrower columns over multiple lines than on fewer, longer lines.

Not to mention Apple puts the dock at the bottom of the screen by default, further reducing visible content on a website. I always move mine to the right.

The only reason I can see a widescreen display being beneficial is for watching movies, but I think everyone looks at websites more often than they watch movies on their laptops.

[MacinDoc]

My 2 cents: The MacBook are definitely going to be updated this month. Most likely tomorrow. Why do I think this? AppleInsider has reliable sources, they have never completely been wrong. The MacBooks will get Core 2 Duos (1.83, 2.0, 2.16), 802.11n cards, and possibly hard drive & RAM increase. Realistically we won't be getting a dedicated graphics card, bigger screens, or firewire 800.

Enjoying my Core 2 Duo MBP.
Precisely, except maybe not 2.16 GHz

[Multimedia]

I Think C2D MacBook Tomorrow But Election May Delay A Day.

Nothing different except C2D at same speeds, 3GB option, 160GB and 200GB HD Offerings.

[NewSc2]

I predict Macbooks will, after tomorrow, be known as Macbook Nanos, because they will be 0.5" thin and have the whole shebang. In fact the monitor will be upgraded to 13.5" too

[sierra oscar]

I Think C2D MacBook Tomorrow But Election May Delay A Day.

Nothing different except C2D at same speeds, 3GB option, 160GB and 200GB HD Offerings.

Fair thought - but aren't Apple a Global company with a global product? I would have thought anything local wouldn't impact on a worldwide strategy...but then again...

[Yango]

Its gonna happen soon.. iMacs already have intel core 2 duo inside....what is next??? macbook or macmini?

[Mr Lizard]

Nothing different except C2D at same speeds, 3GB option, 160GB and 200GB HD Offerings.

http://play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3271122/Apple_MacBook_Core_2_Duo_2GHz_512MB_RAM_13_3_Widescreen_Laptop/Product.html

Only the CPU has been changed, to a C2D.

[hulugu]

Fair thought - but aren't Apple a Global company with a global product? I would have thought anything local wouldn't impact on a worldwide strategy...but then again...

Apple is primarily an American company and they know that the news cycle will be heavy with Election Results. They can wait until next week and get more bang for the same buck. Europe (Australia, Asia, etc. ) will be just as happy with a Nov. 14 release as Nov. 7.

[Apoptosis]

Apple is primarily an American company and they know that the news cycle will be heavy with Election Results. They can wait until next week and get more bang for the same buck. Europe (Australia, Asia, etc. ) will be just as happy with a Nov. 14 release as Nov. 7.

Im in Australia, and a Nov 14 release would **** me right off...I may need to try and get one delivered by Nov 18...lol.

[sierra oscar]

Apple is primarily an American company and they know that the news cycle will be heavy with Election Results. They can wait until next week and get more bang for the same buck. Europe (Australia, Asia, etc. ) will be just as happy with a Nov. 14 release as Nov. 7.

My response was more tongue in cheek - knowing full well the US-Centricity of Apple.

[wizard]

Actually a super light notebook without an optical drive is exactly what I'm looking for! Remove that device and Apple should be able to provide a super thin machine with a relatively large & wide screen. Going a bit further they could put most of OS/X on Flash or EPROM of some sort with a small 1.8 inch drive for user data. It should be fairly easy to accomplish this under two pounds, though I would go heavier if the screen could be made 15" wide.

I'm motivated by the One Laptop per Child program. Not that I like the program but some of the concepts embodied in the laptop are very compelling. First; the laptops are solid state so no heavy fragile optical drive t worry about. Second; the idea of pervasive use of networking and the related concepts really need to be explored in a main stream OS. MacOS/X is a good platform for systems reliant upon networking. Third; a rugged machine, something the MacBooks use to accel at.

The reality is if you really need a Optical drive, that need can be easily taken care of with a USB device. When needed, it isn't something to carry around with your self constantly.

It should be reasonable to get the thickness of the machine down to about 3/4". This without an optical drive and at least part of the OS stored to Flash. The biggest items you will end up with are the processor cooling hardware and a magnetic drive for frequently accessed or user data.

Now I don't see Apple delivering this at this moment in time. It is pretty obvious that the current stock of MacBooks need a refresh. When they come though what will they be called, if they are significantly thinner they are no longer Books. Maybe the arrangement will be a folding tablet.

Dave


Apple will never make a laptop that is that size because it would mean that they would have to take out the optical drive and make the computer ultimately worthless without a docking station. Apple will never make a computer that isn't fully capable from the start.

[rainydays]

http://play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3271122/Apple_MacBook_Core_2_Duo_2GHz_512MB_RAM_13_3_Widescreen_Laptop/Product.html

Only the CPU has been changed, to a C2D.

Dude, that's the specs for the current Macbook.

[BRLawyer]

And don't have a single 12/13in model in existence? I don't think so.

Some people want small form factors. It's a shame Apple thinks form factors and power are in a 1-to-1 relationship. Some people want powerful laptops with smaller displays (12in PB is no more) or less powerful laptops with larger displays (15in iBook is no more). Hopefully Apple learns to stop limiting themselves in this way. Think differently differently.

Exactly what I have been demanding, too...not tiny crap with 9" or 10" displays like those from Sony or others...I just want a new 12" MB or MBP...15" or 17" are too much to carry around for those that don't need all the bells and whistles...my wish:

MB or MBP Core 2 Duo 12"
1Gb RAM
120Gb HD
Backlit Keyboard (if technology allows)
128Mb discreet GPU
Optical drive (no need for DL)
iSight

Is that really so hard?

[Sol]

There are many possibilities for the graphics of the Macbook. The GMA950 is at about the end of the road. Maybe we'll see Intel's X3000. If not, one of Nvidia's or ATi's integrated solutions would be nice.

I hope we see the Intel X3000 in the next MacBook. The GMA950 is crippling the MacBook and Mac Mini; it offers mediocre 3D performance, requires a portion of system memory and does not support widescreen resolutions for composite output. The X3000 would not solve the memory issue but it will improve 3D and maybe support widescreen analogue output.

[netdog]

Apple will never make a laptop that is that size because it would mean that they would have to take out the optical drive and make the computer ultimately worthless without a docking station. Apple will never make a computer that isn't fully capable from the start.

Oh come on. How often do we actually have to access our optical drives? While you may do so often, many of us almost never do and would be happy to attach an external drive every now and then or even access the disc we need over the network.

The 2 lb Sonys and Panasonics are fully capable. For many of us, that is exactly what we want, and your assertion that such a machine is not 'fully capable' may be true for you and others, but for many of us, your assertion that this is 'true' is rubbish.

[ijakk]

my 25cents~

MB w/ C2D
atleast 1gb ram
alteast 80gig hd
4x superdrive
gma 950 with max memory support (224mb)
OR
GMA x3000
iSight
and the other stuff they have now..

.....face it...we're not gonna gonna get a dedicated video card for this baby..atleast not for this price...cause if MB had a good video card...it would render the MBP not so pro...since every other spec is similar...
eg. would you pay another $500-800 for fw800/ 4x faster super/bigger screen? if MB had a dedicated vid carD? personally i wouldnt...yeah blah blah blah smaller laptops are good and what not.....but 13.3 inches is pretty dam small already....i had a 14 inch before...and i found that laptop to be quite COMPAQ already...10.6-12...is just a little too small...
if u want a small laptop like that....you would definately not enjoy gaming on it...dvds....fine....websurfing...fine...but what else would it be good for having it that small!? no full size keys....yeah fine its lighter...but iono...i like mb size now! its definately the smallest i'll go for!

[reflex]

Precisely, except maybe not 2.16 GHz

I'm thinking 2GHz and 2.16GHz. That way it's an upgrade from the current versions, but competition with the Macbook Pro is minimized.

[reflex]

Oh come on. How often do we actually have to access our optical drives? While you may do so often, many of us almost never do and would be happy to attach an external drive every now and then or even access the disc we need over the network.

The optical drive in my laptop broke a few months ago. I haven't missed it much. The one time I did need it, I hooked up my external drive, so it is necessary to have one.

[newno55]

Yeah i agree, no dedicated videocard. Its just not fesiable for the size/ price etc.

Anyhoo, I can see this update being VERY similar to the macbook pro one. Everyone was shocked with the iBook to Macbook transition, i dont think they will shock us again by suddenly adding a dedicated videocard to this lineup, or new form factor... or anything else you guys are 'hoping' for haha.

I can see a bigger HD wireless n and new processor. thats about it.

more RAM and standard DVD burner are mabyes...

haha and oh yeah, mabye a matte screen option.

As well, i agree w. some of the previous posts, no release tomorrow. Too much going on in the world haha. + i still think macbook pro's deserve some spotlight.

14th is the day.................... bets?

haha

[Crike .40]

my 25cents~
..10.6-12...is just a little too small...
if u want a small laptop like that....you would definately not enjoy gaming on it...dvds....fine....websurfing...fine...but what else would it be good for having it that small!? no full size keys....yeah fine its lighter...but iono...i like mb size now! its definately the smallest i'll go for!

the 12" PB had a full sized keyboard...and I'm holding on to my 1.33 version till a 12" MBP shows up.

[MacSA]

If they increase the amount of RAM to 1GB they could increase the amount the integrated graphics use to around 128mb, the current 64mb is a bit low.

[reflex]

if u want a small laptop like that....you would definately not enjoy gaming on it...

I don't know, I really enjoyed gaming on my Sony Vaio S1 (13" screen) back when I used to take it to lan parties.

[RedTomato]

I feel it is highly likely we will see a new tiny laptop from Apple at some point in 2007.

Intel will be releasing Merom next spring, AND an ultra-low voltage version for tiny laptops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Merom_2

There used to be more detail there but it seems to have gone.

Still baffled as to why Apple stopped the 12'' PB, but maybe they felt they wouldn't sell enough in 9 months to recover the costs of designing an intel core version, before needing a major redesign for the 2007 tiny laptop.

[kminov]

let's hope they release it soon, although it's a bit frustrating for those who bought core duo models recently for the same price. kind of drawback on apple

[DaveTheGrey]

the 12" PB had a full sized keyboard...and I'm holding on to my 1.33 version till a 12" MBP shows up.

me too. I got a 19" external screen and the BT Apple Keyboard and Mouse. When I'm @ Home I'm full featured, if I'm on the road my PB is small and light.

12" PB 1GHz
1,256 GB Ram
100gig HD

I just love my little fella :D

[reflex]

Intel will be releasing Merom next spring, AND an ultra-low voltage version for tiny laptops.

I assume you mean they will release Santa Rosa (a chipset, not a cpu) next spring?

[MXDT]

I feel it is highly likely we will see a new tiny laptop from Apple at some point in 2007.

Intel will be releasing Merom next spring, AND an ultra-low voltage version for tiny laptops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Merom_2

There used to be more detail there but it seems to have gone.

Still baffled as to why Apple stopped the 12'' PB, but maybe they felt they wouldn't sell enough in 9 months to recover the costs of designing an intel core version, before needing a major redesign for the 2007 tiny laptop.


Wait wait.... we're getting all hot and bothered about Core 2 Duo... and you're telling me a new chip will be out in a few months...
I can't keep up!

[cube]

I read this as "fix coming soon for rumored MacBook Pro humming issues".

So I thought, "Great, still couldn't buy MacBook Pro if I wanted to".

[rainydays]

let's hope they release it soon, although it's a bit frustrating for those who bought core duo models recently for the same price. kind of drawback on apple

Huh? Why do people keep saying things like this?
When buying a new computer you should aways take in consideration how dated the hardware is and how far ahead a new product release might be.

[Groovey]

You have to consider the problems that Apple has had with heat and portables of late. There would likely be heat issues with such a portable, which makes it even more plausible that Apple won't make such a portable.
I think this 10.5" 3lbs sounds possible. I don't think they would ever try to fit it with high-end proc's which would be like begging for heat issues. That Lifebook mentioned earlier is also running with "only" 1.2GHz Pentium M which I'm sure is enough for a machined sized that small. But 2000$ is quite a big price to pay. That's why I think this could be a place for Apple to take control over. But not anytime soon though.

[ViM]

Hopefully it will come out within a fortnight otherwise it will be a long wait to MWSF :( I envisage just increased HD and possibly 1GB ram standard if it comes out within the fortnight. But if the C2D Macbook comes out MWSF there better be some decent upgrades! Maybe dedicated graphics card or at least the X3000.

[gnasher729]

Intel will be releasing [...] an ultra-low voltage version for tiny laptops.

The ultra low power versions also go ultra slow. If you take a normal Merom or Yonah, and limit its speed to 1 GHz, the voltage can be reduced as well, and it won't be far away from the so-called "ultra low power" chips at all.

[Groovey]

Hopefully it will come out within a fortnight otherwise it will be a long wait to MWSF :( I envisage just increased HD and possibly 1GB ram standard if it comes out within the fortnight. But if the C2D Macbook comes out MWSF there better be some decent upgrades! Maybe dedicated graphics card or at least the X3000.

That's exactly the same hope I'm living in. I'd guess the update is just around the corner. They're just itching to get their hands on our money before christmas. And also that way we can keep whining about the lack of a GPU. But a tiny bump on RAM and HD wouldn't be bad! :)

[hagakure]

Hi...do you think this upgrade will solve the ramdon MB crash problems? Or do you think, as someone told me yesterday, that this problems might be already be solved?

[rand0m3r]

yes, apple will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have that issue resolved in the second generation model.

does anyone know how many hrs it is until we should "expect" the announcement assuming it is going to be released within the next day.

[BRLawyer]

Hi...do you think this upgrade will solve the ramdon MB crash problems? Or do you think, as someone told me yesterday, that this problems might be already be solved?

They were solved already with the last firmware update...and we're gonna have new MBs until next Tuesday, I am pretty sure.

[Apoptosis]

yes, apple will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have that issue resolved in the second generation model.

does anyone know how many hrs it is until we should "expect" the announcement assuming it is going to be released within the next day.

Yeah, any kind of idea would be good...

This way apple updates their stuff is bloody annoying! You can't plan any upgrades, and I refuse to buy a macbook knowing full well that there is an update of any kind just around the corner!

As it stands I may actually need to purchase one very soon, but I don't think I could stomach buying into something this late in it's product cycle.

A big F-YOU to apple marketing :mad:

[Manic Mouse]

Would this be out of the question for the two MBs?

1.83Ghz 2.0Ghz C2D
512Mb 1Gb RAM
60Gb 80Gb HDD
GMA950 X1400

At least the option for a dedicated GPU would be awesome, and since the MBP's would have faster CPUs and significantly faster GPUs I don't see how it would make that much of a difference... Light gaming is NOT "Pro" usage, no matter what Apple would try to tell us.

[thereubster]

I think Apple may at least consider putting an ATI x1400 in the top model (blackbook) but I'm afraid the Intel x3000 for Mobile chipset is not coming out until Santa Rosa. The desktop version is now available with the G965 but the mobile version is next year sorry. So its GMA950 till then or ATI x1400 if you are VERY lucky (or is there a Geforce Go 7300GS?, that would still be way better than the GMA950)

[Groovey]

yes, apple will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have that issue resolved in the second generation model.

does anyone know how many hrs it is until we should "expect" the announcement assuming it is going to be released within the next day.

Haha! First there would be a mass resigning. They would just all quit Apple and leave an empty building behind. Then they would sadly shoot themselves in the foot at the parking lot. That's how it would happen.

I can't wait! Lösen Die MackBuch bitte!

[paeza]

Hope it comes out tomorrow

[hagakure]

Thanks for the note. I have been a bit disappointed by this random crash syndrome...Indeed it would be shameful not to solve this issue with this upgrade. I have been waiting to buy a MB since June!

[Groovey]

Hope it comes out tomorrow

You mean this tuesday? Here in Finland it is tuesday already. We just have to wait for you people to go get some sleep and make it tuesday. ;)

[Warbrain]

the 12" PB had a full sized keyboard...and I'm holding on to my 1.33 version till a 12" MBP shows up.

You'll be waiting for a while!

[paeza]

You mean this tuesday? Here in Finland it is tuesday already. We just have to wait for you people to go get some sleep and make it tuesday. ;)

I am in Australia and it s already Wednesday. I have to wait for the whole day for others reaching tuesday. T_T

[Warbrain]

Your link is infected with the trojan virus offiz -- beware

Hmmm...it really is. Weird.

[MacSA]

Well...doesn't look like its happening today.

[raymondso]

Well...doesn't look like its happening today.

agree :(

[Warbrain]

Well...doesn't look like its happening today.

There's still time. But I do like knowing that I was right when people were all 'NO YOU'RE NOT!!" Gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside that I can use some common sense.

[freddiecable]

agree - apple needs a thin and light 12" laptop or similar.

Where is my 2 lb Apple laptop? Sony has one. Panasonic has one.

[Jacqui83]

Might be tomorrow since it's like Election Day today, but then again might be next Tuesday. All I know and feel like saying is that it's close, very close.

[Warbrain]

agree - apple needs a thin and light 12" laptop or similar.

Yea, but it will never happen. Read through the thread for my reasons why.

[gekko513]

I really hope they put a graphics card in it (even 64MB) and an 802.11N capable wifi card.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe a price drop, though.

[goosnarrggh]

If they increase the amount of RAM to 1GB they could increase the amount the integrated graphics use to around 128mb, the current 64mb is a bit low.
The 64 MB quoted for the GMA950 is actually a "sliding window". It can (and often does) request a larger chunk of video RAM from the memory controller as required. Out of that chunk, the GMA950 slides around its 64 MB window to adjust which areas of memory it can directly manipulate at any given time.

(According to Apple's website, simply booting MacOS X on a MacBook or Mac Mini causes the graphics system to commandeer approximately 80 MB of RAM.)

__________
BTW, that's the reason why computers running the GMA950 chipset will be able to run Windows Vista using the new Aero interface, despite the fact
that systems with dedicated video RAM of less than 128 MB will have to use the Classic (Windows 95/98) interface.

[Stridder44]

It's only 6:30 am here on the west coast, so give it a couple of hours and we shall see. If not, then perhaps tomorrow.

[Max Payne]

Yet another Tuesday without an MB C2D. Good luck next Tuesday, waiters (people who wait not serve). :)

[Warbrain]

Yet another Tuesday without an MB C2D. Good luck next Tuesday, waiters (people who wait not serve). :)

I keep thinking of Dane Cook...dream it, you ****ing dreamers.

[xavier2k3]

Oh how glad i am that i waited for the upgrade...:D Bring it on!

regards
--marty

[lieb39]

We'll see what happens here eh? If new ones come out than there will be a batch of the old Macbooks on eBay.. no complaints for that

:p

Cheers

[timmillwood]

2 weeks since the C2D MBP was released and no one has even had their 17" ship yet!!

Whats going on?

[mdntcallr]

...finally...

Apple has dropped the ball here. Now that most laptops ship with the same chips, Apple can't claim the "Mhz Myth" or anything like that. They will have to keep up to speed, no pun intended.

dude, the operating system is better. it isnt just the cpu.

[lorductape]

I really hope they put a graphics card in it (even 64MB) and an 802.11N capable wifi card.

hmm... but shouldn't they wait until 802.11n becomes more than just a draft of a format?

and when is the apple product spree going to end!?!?!?!

[Warbrain]

We'll see what happens here eh? If new ones come out than there will be a batch of the old Macbooks on eBay.. no complaints for that

:p

Cheers

Only because people are dumb and think that they always need to be using the best computer. Hate to break it, but the MacBook isn't the best.

[kinster]

Only because people are dumb and think that they always need to be using the best computer. Hate to break it, but the MacBook isn't the best.

so are you saying that if someone wants a macbook right now, is to go out and buy one this instant? Even though it's 6 months old and the price hasn't dropped?

[AutumnSkyline]

I have a question.... what time does Apple release things, like Cupertino time??? I believe I heard it was nine, and if it is, then we still got another two hours of waiting

[goosnarrggh]

hmm... but shouldn't they wait until 802.11n becomes more than just a draft of a format?
Other products, including a few from Apple, are using draft-n hardware already.

Maybe they won't be 100% compliant, but unless something earth shattering happens before 802.11n is finalized, I'd expect that many draft-n products could be made compatible with equipment using the the final standard, with little more than a firmware change.

And wasn't 802.11g still in the draft stage when it was introduced in the AirPort Extreme? (Extreme was introduced on January 7, 2003, but 802.11g was not ratified until June 2003.)

[Yvan256]

Apple will never make a laptop that is that size because it would mean that they would have to take out the optical drive and make the computer ultimately worthless without a docking station. Apple will never make a computer that isn't fully capable from the start.

First of all we're in 2006. Optical-less laptops don't require a "docking station". We have FireWire and USB external drives now, nothing special is required.

Second, Apple already has a very successful product on the market that also requires a "docking station". It's called an iPod. Without a computer an iPod is useless. You can't rip things directly to it.

And third, as mentionned, we're in 2006. Honestly, the only times I use the combo drive of my Mac mini is when I play Starcraft, Diablo II, rip music CDs with iTunes or encode my DVDs to H.264/AAC with HandBrake. That's all.

I would sell my 12" Powerbook in an instant if Apple ever made a light sub-laptop. Even a 13" Macbook is too big IMO. The laptop being my second, portable computer, I want it more portable than a "desktop replacement".

That's how I see it anyway.

As for the new specs of the Macbook, if the rumors are true, then I hope we can expect the Mac mini to be updated with the exact same specs in about a month or so.

As for heat problems with such a small laptop, well, no one is forcing Apple to run the processor(s) at their full speed. An Intel Core 2 Duo that's about 25% slower would still be about 50% faster than a G4 I guess (if we take Apple's marketing numbers) but could require half as much power (better battery life, lower heat dissipation).

[mirus82]

Starting now european Apple Stores (UK, Germany, France & Italy) gives all MBs shipping in 3 days. Update soon but not today :(

[MacSA]

Whats the betting, when the update comes, it will still have a Combo Drive in the £749 model !!!!

[mautal]

euro apple stores have been @ 3 days for quite sometime... france & germany @ least... the education institution has been @ 3-5 (5-7 days for blackbooks) for a couple weeks now too...
i too think soon, and not today... i usually wake up around 7:30 - 7:45am (cupertino time) and when i woke up last when MBP were updated it was alrdy on the wepage

[Squonk]

and when is the apple product spree going to end!?!?!?!

:D NEVER!!!! :D

[nathjking]

Hi There,

I ordered a Macbook on the 18th October through mac universe with a hard disk upgrade to 80gb and ram to 1gb. I have called daily ever since and have been constanty told that there is a component shortage and is in constraint.... :( Umm...I've been given the option to cancel but i daren't because i've got a sneaky feeling they might be sneeking a 2 core baddy in it... anyone having a similar experience out there?:D

[Stridder44]

I have a question.... what time does Apple release things, like Cupertino time??? I believe I heard it was nine, and if it is, then we still got another two hours of waiting


Exactly what I was saying. Apple is based in Cupertino, California. It's not even 8 am here yet. Usually stuff happens between 9am-12pm

[Squonk]

Maybe they won't be 100% compliant, but unless something earth shattering happens before 802.11n is finalized, I'd expect that many draft-n products could be made compatible with equipment using the the final standard, with little more than a firmware change.

And wasn't 802.11g still in the draft stage when it was introduced in the AirPort Extreme? (Extreme was introduced on January 7, 2003, but 802.11g was not ratified until June 2003.)

That is something I've been wondering - what is the approval process like for these standards? Specifically, why does this take so long for approval?

I think its great that Apple is putting the pre-N capable hardware in to the iMac's, MP and MBP already just awaiting a pre-N capable base station to make it fly. Oooh - maybe they will intro this in November to have a sale on one for Black Friday? Steve, how about it?

Certainly the pre-n stuff will be turned on in January for the iTV intro. Here's a thought - so will there be MB and MM update prior to iTV so that the entire line will have pre-n hardware and be capable of communicating to the iTV at full tilt speeds? I'm guessing so!

[Chef Medeski]

The reality is if you really need a Optical drive, that need can be easily taken care of with a USB device. When needed, it isn't something to carry around with your self constantly.
Is the bandwith of Bluetooth less than a CD or DVD reader?

It would be cool to have a bluetooth CD/DVD reader. If that worked it be so tight. No wires. And you could stack them and create a laptop with 5 optical drives. :p

[Chef Medeski]

Wait wait.... we're getting all hot and bothered about Core 2 Duo... and you're telling me a new chip will be out in a few months...
I can't keep up!

Welcome to Intel. We actually deliver products!

[Hls811]

Exactly what I was saying. Apple is based in Cupertino, California. It's not even 8 am here yet. Usually stuff happens between 9am-12pm

When they announced the changes to the MBP C2D, it was done by now.. if you go back to the posting on MacRumors, (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061024083823.shtml) it was done at 8:38am EST (5:38AM Cupertino time).

Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
Tuesday October 24, 2006 08:38 AM EST

Today's not lookin' good for this announcement....

[RedTomato]

I would love a laptop without an optical drive.

I hardly ever use mine on my 15'' PB, I'd love to be able to replace it with a battery or second hard drive or just leave the bay empty to reduce weight.

PC world sells USB floppy drives, USB CD and USB DVD drives for a few tenners each. I'd be perfectly happy to buy one and leave it in the drawer for when I need it.

PS - Bluetooth DVD drive? don't think so, big hunks of rotating media need either big expensive batteries or to be plugged into the mains electricity.

Would like to see someone try it on the market tho...

[twoodcc]

When they announced the changes to the MBP C2D, it was done by now.. if you go back to the posting on MacRumors, (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061024083823.shtml) it was done at 8:38am EST (5:38AM Cupertino time).

Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
Tuesday October 24, 2006 08:38 AM EST

Today's not lookin' good for this announcement....

yeah, i don't think it's happening today

[Stridder44]

i don't think it's happening today


Damn you communists. Damn you gay nazis. Damn you all...

[rainydays]

Oh well. I won't have the money to buy it until next week anyway.
But it would be nice to have some specs to drool over until then ;)

[PODshady]

The MacBook doesn't need a Core 2 Duo processor. Apple needs to leave a gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.



-------------------------------------------
15" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB DDR2 SDRAM, 200GB Hard Drive

[rainydays]

The MacBook doesn't need a Core 2 Duo processor. Apple needs to leave a gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.


There's still quite a big difference between the MB and the MBP even if they both have C2D processors.
CPU speed isn't the only thing to care about you know.

[kinster]

The MacBook doesn't need a Core 2 Duo processor. Apple needs to leave a gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.

why? Haven't they always been the same processor?

[gnasher729]

The MacBook doesn't need a Core 2 Duo processor. Apple needs to leave a gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.

That is marketing for losers.

If there is a gap, and Apple doesn't fill it, someone else will. An artificial gap like this one, when Intel's price for Yonah and Merom at same clock speed is identical, just annoys people. At the moment this is still acceptable; Merom production is not a full capacity yet, and you can't expect Apple to update all products simultaneously, but in two months time MacBook sales would just disappear.

Smaller screen, smaller harddisk, integrated graphics, these are all things that people can accept because they save money. Using CoreDuo doesn't save Apple any money; that kind of gap would be just taking your customers for idiots. And I could not possibly imagine that kind of thinking from Apple at all.

[gnasher729]

hmm... but shouldn't they wait until 802.11n becomes more than just a draft of a format?

Apple seems to believe that the draft will be close enough to the final standard that any differences can be fixed with firmware and/or driver upgrades, without actually changing the hardware. Or at least that there is a good chance. So if the hardware doesn't add more cost or only adds a tiny amount, then they should go with newer hardware.

[bmsamson]

Slap a Core 2 Duo in it, bump it up to a 15 or 15.4 inch screen and watch it become Apples best selling notebook ever.

:)


NOOOOO. not unless they come out with a 12" model in this new line of yours. some of us want our laptops truly portable!

impatiently waiting for my c2d macbook........

[Phishin' it]

impatiently waiting for my c2d macbook........

I hear ya brother.

[baxterbrittle]

I'm getting a wierd "Can't connect to application instance" from the Australian Apple store. Haven't seen that one before.

[rainydays]

I'm getting a wierd "Can't connect to application instance" from the Australian Apple store. Haven't seen that one before.

Hey! That has to be because they'll announce the new macbook!

[wizard]

Frankly I don't know if Bluetooth would solve the wire problem. But your point is well taken a wireless drive would have its own advantages. Something would be needed of course as I'm not dismissing the need for an optical drive from time to time. My big problem with optical hardware is that it increases weight and decreases reliability.

One obvious answer would be a mini Wifi server of one or more CDROM's. That sort of arrangement would certainly have the bandwidth needed. In either case you are making use of radio technology so that in and of itself is a power issue. On the other hand if the drive isn't in the laptop it can never be a power burden.

In any event I still believe that Apple would be better off putting Compact Flash or other memory device slots in its machines. They are already a better choice than CDROM's for many uses and of special interest to photographers and other professionals. The goal should be reliable low power operation.

Dave


Is the bandwith of Bluetooth less than a CD or DVD reader?

It would be cool to have a bluetooth CD/DVD reader. If that worked it be so tight. No wires. And you could stack them and create a laptop with 5 optical drives. :p

[Cams]

So, I start listening to Security Now, move on to TWiT, end up listening to MacBreak since it began and am now into the iLifeZone as well. After all that, I'm still waiting for my first Mac. Kind of like hanging around the barber's shop - eventually you come out with a haircut!

I decided some time ago that my first Mac would be a notebook, then started waiting for the C2D in the MacBook. Looks like my patience may finally have paid off!

Looking forward to joining you all.

Cams

[wildmac]

well, today looks like a no-go. it probably would have been announced by now, or the store would be offline... so, the wait until next Tuesday starts...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[junkster]

Would you buy a CD MB the day the C2D comes out for $700

No. It isn't worth pinching pennies when it comes to notebooks. I'd gladly pay the extra to get something that runs significantly cooler (which apparently is the case with the new MBPs).

[darwen]

I dont want new MacBooks! :mad:

I already have my MacBook so that may be influencing me but there is my gripe. There is finally a separation between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro. There is an obvious reason for why the MacBook Pro costs more. Bringing them both to the same level creates the same problem Apple used to have... many (including myself) can easily justify getting MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro because the MacBook does everything you need the Pro version to do.

[Mr Lizard]

Dude, that's the specs for the current Macbook.

Well, yes and no. The title of the page reads 'Core 2 Duo'. The page also states it's available to pre order, with a release date of the 13th.

Granted, the body of the page refers to the original Core Duo chip, but it's safe to assume that at least Play.com believes they have a new product to sell from the 13th onward.

[rainydays]

Bringing them both to the same level creates the same problem Apple used to have... many (including myself) can easily justify getting MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro because the MacBook does everything you need the Pro version to do.

Sigh. The MBP offers a lot more than a faster CPU. Larger screen, dedicated GPU, better I/O, backlit keyboard to mention a few things. The MBP is a portable workstation and the MB is a notebook.

[rainydays]

Well, yes and no. The title of the page reads 'Core 2 Duo'. The page also states it's available to pre order, with a release date of the 13th.

Sure, but it has obviously nothing to do with the specs of the new macbook.

[FatGolfer]

Dude, that's the specs for the current Macbook.

Yes but it does clearly state Core 2 Duo in the product name and the release date of 13th November, they could have just copied the spec of the existing one as they are unsure of the new spec. What is telling is the date, they obviously expect it to happen on the 13th

[bogen]

I want one so bad it hurts but still going to wait for Macworld:D

[scott523]

I must say that Apple must have a lot of surplus in MBs. The MB I bought 4 days ago at the Christiana Mall Apple Store was made a month ago in China.

[rainydays]

Yes but it does clearly state Core 2 Duo in the product name and the release date of 13th November, they could have just copied the spec of the existing one as they are unsure of the new spec. What is telling is the date, they obviously expect it to happen on the 13th

:confused: that wasn't the point

[grumps]

They're going to broaden the span of the MB.

The top end spec will be increased probably with core 2 duo, more RAM and disk, bringing it closer to low end MBP but maintaining the price point. Probably keeping it black.

The bottom end will stay the same with core duo at a lower price.

Why this?

Well a reseller telles me 'what people want' is a 13 inch MBP and this would create something similar but far enough away to justify the price difference.
The MB has not really filled the niche of the 12 inch Powerbook yet.

And the delay for delivery for top end black MBs has gone up but not for the bottom end (I know this might just be a supply thing) in Australia.

[rainydays]

Well a reseller telles me 'what people want' is a 13 inch MBP and this would create something similar but far enough away to justify the price difference.
The MB has not really filled the niche of the 12 inch Powerbook yet.

You can already get a MB with more RAM and larger HDD so what would be the point of that? A 13 inch MBP would make more sense.

[NewSc2]

They're going to broaden the span of the MB.

The top end spec will be increased probably with core 2 duo, more RAM and disk, bringing it closer to low end MBP but maintaining the price point. Probably keeping it black.

The bottom end will stay the same with core duo at a lower price.

Why this?

Well a reseller telles me 'what people want' is a 13 inch MBP and this would create something similar but far enough away to justify the price difference.
The MB has not really filled the niche of the 12 inch Powerbook yet.

And the delay for delivery for top end black MBs has gone up but not for the bottom end (I know this might just be a supply thing) in Australia.

I don't think so. The C2D and CD are at the same price now, with the possibility that the CD's price will go up in the future. Apple would switch over now and maintain the same board across black/white macbooks.

[szsiddiq]

imho the reason why apple hasnt filled the void of a 12"powerbook equivilent is because they plan on expanding their overall product range. more portable notebooks, tablets, etc. all in the scope of vision

[mmd]

how much will the core duo macbooks drop in price when the c2d macbooks are released.

[revjay]

imho the reason why apple hasnt filled the void of a 12"powerbook equivilent is because they plan on expanding their overall product range. more portable notebooks, tablets, etc. all in the scope of vision

This thread has, to the best of my knowledge, managed to stay tablet free up until now...thanks for contaminating a great thread with pie in the sky. :D

I agree, however, that for Apple to gain a faster growth of market share gain, they will need to continue to expand their various lines.

eg. 24" iMac: Did anyone really believe that that one would become a reality? (don't answer that...it is a redundant question).

[tveric]

eg. 24" iMac: Did anyone really believe that that one would become a reality? (don't answer that...it is a redundant question).

You mean rhetorical, as opposed to redundant?

If you're gonna try to use big words, at least act like you know what they mean.

[kinster]

how much will the core duo macbooks drop in price when the c2d macbooks are released.

They're in the refurb section on the apple website

[mmd]

They're in the refurb section on the apple website

I was talking about a new one not a refurbished one. I want to buy the core duo macbook after the c2d ones are released because i do not need the uprgrades and i could get a good deal. The core duo macbook pros dropped $300 so i was wondering how much the macbooks would drop.

[kinster]

I was talking about a new one not a refurbished one. I want to buy the core duo macbook after the c2d ones are released because i do not need the uprgrades and i could get a good deal. The core duo macbook pros dropped $300 so i was wondering how much the macbooks would drop.

I was talking about the new ones aswell :rolleyes: the refurb shop also sells stock they want to get rid of and that includes old macbooks.

[Mgkwho]

At the very least, a 13th Nov release would take away [some] of Zune's press. Or at least add some Apple PR with every other mention of Zune (besides iPod).

-=|Mgkwho

[deadkenny]

Steve wants the real big show. Beeing No. 2 besides nationwide elections is not his style ;)

[revjay]

You mean rhetorical, as opposed to redundant?

If you're gonna try to use big words, at least act like you know what they mean.

I did intend to use the word redundant instead of that other big word you used (what does that one mean anyway?). :rolleyes:

Perhaps I used the word incorectly, now that I look at my sentence. The feeling I was going for is that there is never a shortage of posters who state and restate the redundantly obvious.

BTW...what was your point? Surely you had something critical or insightful to say about what I wrote about Macs or Apple?

Anyhooo... (I know that is not really a word)

...A MB with new Intel goodies sounds alright to me...I am in the middle of a trip and I borrowed a friends PC notebook to use while travelling on boats and trains and such...I feel much more productive, though, I feel like I have been ignoring people, running the risk of looking like a snob;) .

I'll most surely be adding a new MB after they are upgraded. Apple can take a few more weeks if they wish...I need it to gather the funds anyway.

[mmd]

I was talking about the new ones aswell :rolleyes: the refurb shop also sells stock they want to get rid of and that includes old macbooks.

How do you know that you are going to get a new one and not a refurbished one. And what old macbooks are you talking about, they didnt release any new ones yet. Thanks for the help.

[kinster]

How do you know that you are going to get a new one and not a refurbished one. And what old macbooks are you talking about, they didnt release any new ones yet. Thanks for the help.

I am talking about the CD macbook. It is known that they put old/previous models on the refurb site. Ask anyone on here.

Why don't you just look at the 'refurb' section of the site? Someone also mentioned that just prior to the release of the CD MBP on the 24th they put the whole range of CD MBP on the refurb site when there was usually just a small selection.

[mauly]

Can someone help! is it known that apple put old/previous models on the refurb site? :)

[mautal]

Can someone help! is it known that apple put old/previous models on the refurb site? :)

it is known??:confused: :confused:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/6904000/wo/2w4e5FPuqqKh3ja4a0C1Dd2vwvr/3.0.0.23.1.0.8.7.1.2.1.1
thats the link i was directed too when new c2d mbp's were out and cd mbp went on sale

[junkster]

Sigh. The MBP offers a lot more than a faster CPU. Larger screen, dedicated GPU, better I/O, backlit keyboard to mention a few things. The MBP is a portable workstation and the MB is a notebook.

But a very fast and capable notebook. Unless you're dependent on GPU power, such as porting a high-end PC game to the Mac, then the difference is moot for most people. The MB is super overpowered for email and web browsing.

[Multimedia]

How do you know that you are going to get a new one and not a refurbished one. And what old macbooks are you talking about, they didnt release any new ones yet. Thanks for the help.There is ZERO DIFFERENCE between a new Mac and a refurbished Mac - ZERO. You have nothing to fear buying a refurb any more than you have to fear buying a new one. Same warranty. Same quality. Different box. And sometimes when you buy a refurb, you get more than stock like two 1GB sticks of RAM and/or a bigger than stock HD for example.

[steve_hill4]

Yes but it does clearly state Core 2 Duo in the product name and the release date of 13th November, they could have just copied the spec of the existing one as they are unsure of the new spec. What is telling is the date, they obviously expect it to happen on the 13th

As i pointed out on digg, they do appear to have cmd-c, cmd-v'd the specs and then added a speculative date to a slightly changed title. However, also note that their new MacBook Pros, (that have already been shipping remember), are also stating a 13/11/2006 shipping date as a pre-order.

This is far from confirmed and we may even see them appear this week rather than next.

[szsiddiq]

This thread has, to the best of my knowledge, managed to stay tablet free up until now...thanks for contaminating a great thread with pie in the sky. :D
hehe, i just want a tablet, with translusant ipod like edges...lemme dream a little bit, ok?

in all seriousness though, they've 2 notebook lines, and 3 screen sizes. in order to continue their growth, they've to get into even more niche markets, while expanding their mainstream markets.

[danvdr]

in order to continue their growth, they're have to get into even more niche markets, while expanding their mainstream markets.

SZ--please explain. It seems that even a small increase in the mainstream would overshadow a large gain in niche markets. If Apple increases mainstream market share why do they need the niche markets?

[stefan15]

I really hope they choose to upgrade the default amount of RAM. 512mb is simply not enough. Sure some of you will argue, but I've tried a Macbook with 512 and one with 1gb and the latter is far better. To me it seems like 1gb is OSX's sweet spot, and 512mb is just barely lacking. I was pretty surprised when they decided to go with 512mb stock in the first place.

[h00ligan]

And don't have a single 12/13in model in existence? I don't think so.

Some people want small form factors. It's a shame Apple thinks form factors and power are in a 1-to-1 relationship. Some people want powerful laptops with smaller displays (12in PB is no more) or less powerful laptops with larger displays (15in iBook is no more). Hopefully Apple learns to stop limiting themselves in this way. Think differently differently.


wow , talk about completely missing a joke... wow.

[junkster]

Safe predictions for the MB C2D:

2.16 GHz for the upper two models, 2.0 for the cheapest
~20MB larger hard drive
no difference in GPU
runs significantly cooler overall

Riskier bets:

1GB standard (but as two 512MB cards, unlike the MBP)
Price premium for black reduced to $100

[szsiddiq]

SZ--please explain. It seems that even a small increase in the mainstream would overshadow a large gain in niche markets. If Apple increases mainstream market share why do they need the niche markets?

I guess i was wrong with said niche markets.
what i mean is that as they expand their market share, they'll need to expand their product line, in order to entice customers toward their products. basically, if they have a product for every corner of their market, they'll likely increase their market share.

[danvdr]

I guess i was wrong with said niche markets.
what i mean is that as they expand their market share, they'll need to expand their product line, in order to entice customers toward their products. basically, if they have a product for every corner of their market, they'll likely increase their market share.

Good point.

[szsiddiq]

Good point.

altho, if they over inflate themselves, they could always pop.

maybe one reason they havent had a tablet...their market analysis must have concluded that people arent interested in the current offerings of tablets, either due to interface awkwardness, or high prices, etc

[hulugu]

Frankly I don't know if Bluetooth would solve the wire problem. But your point is well taken a wireless drive would have its own advantages. Something would be needed of course as I'm not dismissing the need for an optical drive from time to time. My big problem with optical hardware is that it increases weight and decreases reliability...

I agree, but wireless doesn't nearly have the bandwidth necessary.

Think about it, Bluetooth is up to 3Mbps, Wireless is at 54Mbps, and your Firewire drive is 400Mbps.
And, while BT and WiFi can fluxuate, the data for hard-drives and optical drives must be constant in order to be useful. As cool as it would be streaming huge amounts of data is still beyond the current technology, even the WiMax standard is limited to around 100Mbps.

Apple's making a gamble with 802.11n, but they did the same thing with 802.11g and it worked rather well, some have stated that Apple's inclusion of 802.11g gear actually helped to force the issue.

[szsiddiq]

Good point.

I agree, but wireless doesn't nearly have the bandwidth necessary.

Think about it, Bluetooth is up to 3Mbps, Wireless is at 54Mbps, and your Firewire drive is 400Mbps.
And, while BT and WiFi can fluxuate, the data for hard-drives and optical drives must be constant in order to be useful. As cool as it would be streaming huge amounts of data is still beyond the current technology, even the WiMax standard is limited to around 100Mbps.

Apple's making a gamble with 802.11n, but they did the same thing with 802.11g and it worked rather well, some have stated that Apple's inclusion of 802.11g gear actually helped to force the issue.

as u say, wireless drives that are running a whole OS arent too useful yet (based on current tech). but if they're storing data that only needs to be retrieved every so often, itd be well worth it.

[hulugu]

as u say, wireless drives that are running a whole OS arent too useful yet (based on current tech). but if they're storing data that only needs to be retrieved every so often, itd be well worth it.

For network storage applications it might be useful, but I think you'd really want a hard-drive and a optical drive you could plug-in even if it's a separate part.

Ideally, something like a tablet PC (iPad) that would use NAND-flash for low voltage OS applications and a hard-drive for more robust applications. The optical drive isn't as necessary for loading data (such as ripping DVDs, music, etc.)

The Tablet PC is a nice idea, but until they're small and light they will remain a niche product. I think something akin to Sony's e-book reader, but with some tablet capabilities that can be seamlessly linked into a larger system would make a real change in the market.
The machines are still used as laptop replacements, and frankly they have a different application.

[Apoptosis]

How long has the shipping wait been 3-5 days on the Black MacBooks on the Australian store? Every time I have looked they've all been "within 24hrs"?

[ijakk]

Safe predictions for the MB C2D:

2.16 GHz for the upper two models, 2.0 for the cheapest
~20MB larger hard drive
no difference in GPU
runs significantly cooler overall

Riskier bets:

1GB standard (but as two 512MB cards, unlike the MBP)
Price premium for black reduced to $100


godly.....20MB increase in hd! thats like 4 mp3s?

[mautal]

now that the democrats have taken control of the house, and will likely take the senate too... Jobs will celebrate by releasing MMB tomorrow! :D :D or will be next week to steal thunda from the ZUNE... i don't care either way, as long as it comes soooooon!!

[steelfist]

i don't mind an integrated graphics card, all I want is a better integrated graphics card, the best that intel can offer.

[AppliedVisual]

i don't mind an integrated graphics card, all I want is a better integrated graphics card, the best that intel can offer.

Unfortunately, that's currently the GMA950 that's already in the Macbook. :(

[Loyalizer]

I just want the graphics card to be more than a lame 64MB. Every other manufacturer on the planet has at least 128 in their notebooks shared or otherwise.

I would buy a Macbook in a heart beat if they did that. Hell... With the money I'll save from buying a Macbook pro I might get two one black and one white.

[Chosenbydestiny]

I just want the graphics card to be more than a lame 64MB. Every other manufacturer on the planet has at least 128 in their notebooks shared or otherwise.

I would buy a Macbook in a heart beat if they did that. Hell... With the money I'll save from buying a Macbook pro I might get two one black and one white.

I would actually take that kind of change over an HD or RAM boost since that's
one of the components you can't upgrade.

[grumps]

You can already get a MB with more RAM and larger HDD so what would be the point of that? A 13 inch MBP would make more sense.

Because you can't get a MacBook with a core 2 duo. Doh!

That's the whole point (of the thread actually):eek:

[grumps]

How long has the shipping wait been 3-5 days on the Black MacBooks on the Australian store? Every time I have looked they've all been "within 24hrs"?

Only a few days I think. I've been watching it for a while.

The same guy I was talking too (at NextByte) told me that they had no Macbook deliveries for over a week, which they had never seen.

He also told me he'd heard that there will be a 15 inch MacBook Pro!!!

He's been working there for a while. Actually spent time talking me out of buying a MacBook the other day?!

[grumps]

If I go to the Australian Apple Store the delivery time for a Black MacBook is 3-5 days.

If I go to configure and upgrade it to 1Gb RAM the delivery time falls to 2-4 days!!!

Explain that to me all you rumo(u)r experts:confused:

[Apoptosis]

If I go to the Australain Apple Store the delivery time for a Black MacBook is 3-5 days.

If I go to configure and upgrade it to 1Gb RAM the delivery time falls to 2-4 days!!!

Ecplain that to me all you rumo(u)r experts:confused:

Looks like someone at apple didn't think things all the way through correctly :p

[steve_hill4]

If I go to the Australian Apple Store the delivery time for a Black MacBook is 3-5 days.

If I go to configure and upgrade it to 1Gb RAM the delivery time falls to 2-4 days!!!

Explain that to me all you rumo(u)r experts:confused:

Don't know, but assuming you ordered that and the BlackBook was upgraded before dispatch, you would possibly get 2GB for the same price, or the option to go down to standard 1GB config and money back. That's assuming Apple sees sense and ups it to 1GB as well as C2D.

[steve_hill4]

The same guy I was talking too (at NextByte) told me that they had no Macbook deliveries for over a week, which they had never seen.

He also told me he'd heard that there will be a 15 inch MacBook Pro!!!


Well, don't believe him. The fact that there already is a 15" MBP should be evidence that Apple will never release a 15" MBP.

[BRLawyer]

Looks like someone at apple didn't think things all the way through correctly :p

Until 2 days ago the Swiss Store had MBs for 24 hour shipping...now it's slipped to 3 days..!

Bottomline: we're gonna have new MBs by next Tuesday the 14th...rest assured.

[Piarco]

T'would be nice comrades... if its Aperture compliant and has a double layer burner, it'll be reason enough for me to upgrade my current MacBook. X3000 would be an added bonus, but not really required if I'm honest.
If not - it'll be an MBP purchase in the new year.

[MatthewConnelly]

UK store is down!

[Groovey]

UK store is down!

Plllleeeaaaaasssseee!!!11!

[Apoptosis]

Australian store is still up and normal.

Edit: Cancel that! IT IS DOWN!

[McClown]

UK Store has just gone to the update page :D

[MatthewConnelly]

I have a good feeling, it's about the right time of day!

[pindkaas]

Dutch Apple store is down too!

When its up and running with new macbooks, i'm the first to order one!

[rand0m3r]

yeah aussie store is down. but if the US store isn't down, it doesn't mean anything does it?

[mufli]

Italian Apple store is down too.

[Groovey]

Germany down too.

[rand0m3r]

lol they're falling like dominoes. so how long does it take for them to go back up with the upgrade?

[MatthewConnelly]

yeah aussie store is down. but if the US store isn't down, it doesn't mean anything does it?
I think the US store usually goes down last.

[Napsju]

The Dutch store (www.apple.com/nlstore) is down!!

[pindkaas]

lol they're falling like dominoes. so how long does it take for them to go back up with the upgrade?

Usually within minutes.. never seen the store down for more then 15 mins.

[Groovey]

lol they're falling like dominoes. so how long does it take for them to go back up with the upgrade?

Usually not long. A week maybe?

Nah. Half an hour I'd say. Absolutely max, all of them.

[rand0m3r]

cool. so is this it guys? is my 4 month wait finally over? someone knock down the US store dammit!

[Roadstar]

Finland store still up as well, even though our neighbours in Sweden have their store down already. C'mon Finland & U.S. stores, give up! :D

[yudilks]

Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, all down

[rand0m3r]

just wondering, what is it in the US (like where all this is happening).

[MatthewConnelly]

US store is down!

[BRLawyer]

Swiss Store down...give it to me, babe!!! :D

[Groovey]

Finland store still up as well, even though our neighbours in Sweden have their store down already. C'mon Finland & U.S. stores, give up! :D

Finland down. Aye.

[rand0m3r]

US finally down w00t!

[yudilks]

MatthewConnelly did you refresh your browser every second back then,.. Hehehhee.. Yeah, it just downnn!!

[pindkaas]

i think these things are sold out within the minute they get online! :)

[MatthewConnelly]

MatthewConnelly did you refresh your browser every second back then,.. Hehehhee.. Yeah, it just downnn!!
I guess I checked the UK and US stores just at the right times!

[Jacqui83]

The US Store was like up a few minutes ago though and now it's down, could it really be?! Ugh I can't wait! please let it be!

[yudilks]

OMG, the anticipation is killing me.. I'm pressing F5 every 30 seconds... :P

[rand0m3r]

ok the US store was last to go down. but which one goes up first with the new update? :D

[MatthewConnelly]

OMG, the anticipation is killing me.. I'm pressing F5 every 30 seconds... :P
Get Opera, it can refresh a page automatically every x seconds. :D Mines set to 5!

[Cockroach]

It took 1h30 last time, so I reckon we have about an hour to go yet.

[bill4588]

are you people making this all this fuss over C2D MB's coming out? or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video? i dont see how a C2D MB could bring so much excitement....there's not THAT much difference in performance.

[rand0m3r]

haha by the time you get opera the MB will be udpated.

man i haven't felt this tense in ages.

[MatthewConnelly]

are you people making this all this fuss over C2D MB's coming out? or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video? i dont see how a C2D MB could bring so much excitement....there's not THAT much difference in performance.
There might be a few more surprises with the MB as well, like there was with the MBP.

[pindkaas]

ok the US store was last to go down. but which one goes up first with the new update? :D

I'd put my money on the US Store ;) I'm checking the Dutch and the US storen every 10 secs. Haha.. Too bad i've got to go in 10 minutes.

[Apoptosis]

OMG, the anticipation is killing me.. I'm pressing F5 every 30 seconds... :P

I've been doing that for the last week lol :o :mad:

C'mon Apple!

[thworple]

or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video?


Can't see that happening - there would be a BIG fuss made over that, with Steve giving a keynote about it , and some "big at the moment" music act doing a live performance at the end.

[grumps]

Well, don't believe him. The fact that there already is a 15" MBP should be evidence that Apple will never release a 15" MBP.

Sorry. I meant to say that he told me there will be a 15 inch MacBook:rolleyes:

[yudilks]

I've been doing that for the last week lol :o :mad:

C'mon Apple!

Hahahaha... Hmm, I hope this will be a nice update...

[Groovey]

are you people making this all this fuss over C2D MB's coming out? or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video? i dont see how a C2D MB could bring so much excitement....there's not THAT much difference in performance.

We don't need no freaking iPod's right now. Show me the Honey!!

[mulberry75]

are you people making this all this fuss over C2D MB's coming out? or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video? i dont see how a C2D MB could bring so much excitement....there's not THAT much difference in performance.

If you're reading this Thread ;-) Let me wonder... and what about macbooks of different colors, to match the ipod nano?

[rand0m3r]

If you're reading this Thread ;-) Let me wonder... and what about macbooks of different colors, to match the ipod nano?

i hope not. i want a white one.

[yudilks]

If you're reading this Thread ;-) Let me wonder... and what about macbooks of different colors, to match the ipod nano?

Possibly... Imagine red MB.. Or perhaps the pink one like PSP .. On second thought, ewww

[Groovey]

i hope not. i want a white one.

I just want one.

[bill4588]

If you're reading this Thread ;-) Let me wonder... and what about macbooks of different colors, to match the ipod nano?

well that's pretty cool :D

[ckiyan]

Hello everyone
Is apple going to release the new Macbook Dual Core 2.
Check the apple store now...

[rainydays]

are you people making this all this fuss over C2D MB's coming out? or is there more expected from the update....like the true ipod video? i dont see how a C2D MB could bring so much excitement....there's not THAT much difference in performance.

Well, people have been waiting for the update to get a MacBook, so that's where most of the excitement is coming from I guess. But as others said, we don't know what else they might bring in the bag.

[pabloneill]

Hello everyone
Is apple going to release the new Macbook Dual Core 2.
Check the apple store now...


hey all,

Irish apple store is down......pls let ib be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As i posted 2 days ago aguy from my local store told me there was shipment of black macbooks arriving here yesterday...after 6 weeks without none....let it happen!!!!!!!!!

[dazzer21]

Sorry, I've walked into this discussion a little late in the day so my apolofies if this has been brought up already - won't this make the gap in specs between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro too close for comfort? If I was in the market for a Pro, I'd expect to see a significant differential in performance between the Macbook and my premium product. I wouldn't see the graphics card/RAM capacity/backlit keyboard etc etc as being enough to make me go for it unless the MacBook was crippled in some other way...