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pgc6000
Nov 23, 2006, 11:10 AM
While I'm probably going with the 360, which system, price tag aside, do you think is a better buy? Gamewise, hardware wise, ect, and which to you is an overall better system. Personally, I'd go with the 360. I really could care less about the hardware. The games on the 360 field are looking great though.



Spanky Deluxe
Nov 23, 2006, 11:13 AM
While I'm probably going with the 360, which system, price tag aside, do you think is a better buy? Gamewise, hardware wise, ect, and which to you is an overall better system. Personally, I'd go with the 360. I really could care less about the hardware. The games on the 360 field are looking great though.

Unless you're desperate for a BluRay player and are only talking about using it as a games machine, the 360 wins hands down right now imo without a single doubt in my mind.

cmcconkey
Nov 23, 2006, 11:16 AM
If you are planning on getting it sometime soon your best bet is going to be the 360. It has had it rough time and most all the bugs have been worked out. The PS3 on the other hand will be working out bugs until early spring and I really wouldn't want to know what my $700+ gaming console could just give up on me at any time.

Christopher

islandman
Nov 23, 2006, 11:35 AM
360 all the way. The 360 has a large amount of SOLID titles out now. It's not expensive by any means. There are no major bugs right now to worry about. XBox Live just works awesomely. Halo 3 :). Gears of War :). Call of Duty 3 :). Etc etc.

zap2
Nov 23, 2006, 11:53 AM
For now I'd go with 360 over PS3(Wii over all of them) currently 360 has more, better looking games. So many more games then PS3 or Wii. Live is a very good system for online play(you need to pay but currently it is better then PS3's and Wii doesn't have any online titles yet)

MacRumorUser
Nov 23, 2006, 12:15 PM
There is over 150 titles out there for the 360 as it stands. For sheer choice of material - 360 all the way.

keithbennis
Nov 23, 2006, 12:19 PM
360.

close thread.

risc
Nov 23, 2006, 12:34 PM
Without a doubt the 360 is a lot better than the PS3 currently. All of the games that are available on both consoles are better on the 360. The 360 has much better OS X integration with Connect 360. Xbox Live Gold is better than the non-existent PS3 version. There is no point even comparing Xbox Live Arcade to the PS3 version. The market place on the 360 has been pretty much perfected, it even allows you to do something else while you download. ;)

The 360 has had a year of updates both on the Xbox Live / Market Place server side and firmware, and the PS3 is in definite need of some firmware updates. Once these have been applied the PS3 maybe a better contender but for now the PS3 doesn't come close.

So I guess what I'm saying is buy a Wii... actually I'm not; get a 360. ;)

clevin
Nov 23, 2006, 12:37 PM
we had xbox 360, but i like wii more, sounds exciting, PS3 is for hardcore gamer, which Im not, so I really don't care the graphic "super quality".

Cromulent
Nov 23, 2006, 12:38 PM
360 all the way. There are some fantastic games out on it at the moment, and with the cheap HD-DVD player add-on as well what have you got to lose?

Dagless
Nov 23, 2006, 12:59 PM
360.

~Shard~
Nov 23, 2006, 01:05 PM
Another vote for the 360. Better game selection (is it just me or are the PS3 launch titles completely forgettable?) and better games in general (obviously, since PS3 hardly has any yet!) - Gears of War is one of the best looking games I have ever seen. Plus, developers have had time to learn the 360 hardware since its release, are more familiar with it and as a result can design better games for it now. With the PS3, the games being released now are more like PS 2.5 games, as it will take time for developers to learn how to efficiently program for the PS3 and take advantage of its potential.

Perhaps a year from now the answer will be different, but for now, you have to go with the 360. :cool:

2nyRiggz
Nov 23, 2006, 01:35 PM
360 but the PS3 will soon catch up then that will be the time to worry and fret.


Bless

savar
Nov 23, 2006, 01:38 PM
While I'm probably going with the 360, which system, price tag aside, do you think is a better buy? Gamewise, hardware wise, ect, and which to you is an overall better system. Personally, I'd go with the 360. I really could care less about the hardware. The games on the 360 field are looking great though.

The 360 is great. I am biased because I really like the controllers, which are similar to the original XBox controllers. The online experience is also great...so easy to find games, lots of stuff to download like trailers and demos. Even the interface is impressive for a MS product. This is actually quite a polished product.

The big problem with it is that its VERY noisy. I've gotten used to it now and pretty much tune it out, but I still think its ridiculous how noisy it is. I think the engineering team got a little lazy in that respect. (Most of the noise isn't even from the fans, it's from the optical drive itself.)

At the end of the day it probably depends on what titles you want to play. I'm a big Halo fan so I couldn't possibly buy a PS3.

I also suggest that if you don't have an HDTV, get one before you buy a 360. I've played 360 on regular TVs and it really isn't much better than XBox.

MacRumorUser
Nov 23, 2006, 01:45 PM
^ yep 360 controllers are lovely.

Dagless
Nov 23, 2006, 01:55 PM
360 but the PS3 will soon catch up then that will be the time to worry and fret.


Bless

Catch up :D Why need to catch up when the big hitters are coming out to the 360 too? Sony need 150 games to catch up.

2nyRiggz
Nov 23, 2006, 02:00 PM
^Okay like I said...they will catch up no matter what comes to the 360. Its so early to be putting PS3 and 360 head to head when the PS3 has like less than ten games out.

The playing ground will be even out this time next year when better games are out for the PS3.

I agree on the 360 controls

Bless

islandman
Nov 23, 2006, 02:24 PM
360 but the PS3 will soon catch up then that will be the time to worry and fret.


Bless

I don't see that the PS3 can catch up, really. The XBox is churning out title after title, and Sony stumbled out of the gates. And Nintendo is stealing a lot of potential people away from Sony.

Dagless
Nov 23, 2006, 02:28 PM
I don't see that the PS3 can catch up, really. The XBox is churning out title after title, and Sony stumbled out of the gates. And Nintendo is stealing a lot of potential people away from Sony.

Yup, the impression we get across the pond is the US PS3 launch was pretty much irrelevant. That the Wii has picked up the DS and turned itself into a console bringing in non-gamers already.
Wonder how this will affect the European launch? Are we still getting a PS3 launch in Europe?

zap2
Nov 23, 2006, 02:28 PM
I don't see that the PS3 can catch up, really. The XBox is churning out title after title, and Sony stumbled out of the gates. And Nintendo is stealing a lot of potential people away from Sony.

Looks back a year at 360 launch ....ya its all about where you start at:rolleyes:


Of course it is a different place now, when 360 was screwing up, it was either take the crap, or stick it out with last gen systems. Now if Sony does you wrong, go visit the Wii or 360. Because gamers can go to 360 and get a similar system Sony will need to pick the ball up faster then MS did with the 360.

~Shard~
Nov 23, 2006, 02:42 PM
Looks back a year at 360 launch ....ya its all about where you start at:rolleyes:

Of course it is a different place now, when 360 was screwing up, it was either take the crap, or stick it out with last gen systems. Now if Sony does you wrong, go visit the Wii or 360. Because gamers can go to 360 and get a similar system Sony will need to pick the ball up faster then MS did with the 360.

Excellent point. The 360 was in in no better position than the PS3 when it was released (if not worse) and look how it has done. I think it is too early to fairly compare the 360 and the PS3 since the PS3 has been out for, what, a week? ;) Give it a year and then we'll see.

Of course all the 360/Nintendo fanboys who hate Sony will disagree with this. ;) Myself, I'm honestly objective about the whole thing and am not biased towards one console or the other. :cool:

MacRumorUser
Nov 23, 2006, 02:44 PM
Looks back a year at 360 launch ....ya its all about where you start at:rolleyes:


Of course it is a different place now, when 360 was screwing up, it was either take the crap, or stick it out with last gen systems. Now if Sony does you wrong, go visit the Wii or 360. Because gamers can go to 360 and get a similar system Sony will need to pick the ball up faster then MS did with the 360.


Agreed I said this in another post.

The 360 launch wasnt spectacular and had a number of problems and some craptacular games (as well as some true gem's like condemned)..

But it was a year a head of the pack. It pulled off a three teritory launch before anyone else, and it did not have to compete.

It's faults could be excused.

PS3 is launching (or not launching as Europe is concerned) into a different marketplace.

Wii does the control method thing better, 360 already on its second gen of games has better looking games (which can be played at 1080p upscaled Sony. How many of your launch titles after all the crap we had to listed to, support 1080p or 1080i for that matter)....

Sony needed a perfect launch, it hasnt got one.

Poor launch exclusive titles bar 1 (R:FOM), Poor multi-platform launch titles that its competitor is better on.

That's not good. It needed to WOW... it hasn't.

It's launching BluRay to which most consumers have nothing but buyers apathy and couldnt care less about.

It's missing yet another xmas in Europe and with rumor mill sparked that Sony wont release it's system in March as promised, people are looking elewhere for their fix.

Sony will be alright. In 12 moths time there will be enough 'great exclusive' titles that the PS3's sales will pick up...

Will they in 5 years have the market all their own way... Probably not...

The real console war will be the Next Next Gen.......

2nyRiggz
Nov 23, 2006, 02:48 PM
And we come to full circle:)


Bless

sikkinixx
Nov 23, 2006, 05:14 PM
we should sticky "Buy a 360 over a PS3" until the masses agree otherwise.

clayj
Nov 23, 2006, 05:53 PM
360, no doubt... unless you have some perverse need to go with Blu-ray. 360 has more games, better software, more accessories, and it costs less... and I think it looks nicer than the PS3.

Plus you can actually walk into practically any store and buy one now.

wako
Nov 23, 2006, 05:57 PM
The only thing that has going for the PS3 is the Cell processor.


Everything else can be summarized in one word, "meh"


Blu-Ray will fail like all the other formats that Sony has tried to impose. UMD, Memory Stick, Beta tapes, MDs, etc etc.


In terms of a gaming console, you should hold off the PS3. Currently there is NO good quality games out. There is no good quality games in the horizon either with a set release date. Most of the games Im excited about for the PS3 all have release date that say the approximate quarter and year. That means it wouldnt be suprising if it gets delayed.


On the other hand the Xbox right now has been out for a year and has quite a collection of great games. It also has numerous games coming out that are guaranteed to be big hits! SquareEnix already said they wont be doing exclusives with PS3 and will open its doors for new options. GTA franchise has also annouced they wont have exclusives for the Playstation.


I will be getting a PS3 eventually, but not anytime soon. Its too soon. I made the mistake the first time with the Xbox 360 and it ended up sitting there for a few months before a good game came strolling around that made the purchase worth it.

FleurDuMal
Nov 23, 2006, 05:58 PM
I suppose the only reason you'd hold out and not buy a 360 and wait for a PS3 is if you really have a liking for Japanese games (especially ones from smaller developers). But this would also be a reason to buy a Wii.

Then again, MS is making a real effort with the Japanese market this time around as it was the Xbox's achilles heel last time around. There are already a couple of promising looking Japanese RPG's on their way for the 360...

pgc6000
Nov 24, 2006, 08:07 AM
This probably shows that the early bird get the worm. Last round, PS2 came out first, and like the situation it's younger brother PS3 is in, had lackluster games. However, it had time to gain promising titles a year before Xbox and Gamecube launched. I think the 360 has the same fate. Well it's to early to make any good predictions, I think the 360 has a promising future in the market. Now, I can see myself buying a PS3 in oh say two years, but for now the 360 seems to have the most promising fate. As far as I'm concerned, I want games, not super-high res graphics or BluRay. But I think Nintendo's console has only been mentioned once...anybody up for the Wii?

zap2
Nov 24, 2006, 10:24 AM
This probably shows that the early bird get the worm.?

Yup Dreamcast is blowing away in sales from last gen systems ;) No timing is important but its only one part of the equation for a popular game console

MacRumorUser
Nov 24, 2006, 10:31 AM
Yup Dreamcast is blowing away in sales from last gen systems ;) No timing is important but its only one part of the equation for a popular game console

Weird thing with dreamcast though was it was never really touted as being the next gen. It was all kind of hush hush, sega did a desperate job in promoting it, and reaped what they sowed.

FleurDuMal
Nov 24, 2006, 10:47 AM
Weird thing with dreamcast though was it was never really touted as being the next gen. It was all kind of hush hush, sega did a desperate job in promoting it, and reaped what they sowed.

I always thought the primary reason for the failure of Dreamcast was the financial deadweight that the Saturn was for Sega. They lost such an incredible amount of money on the Saturn that they simply didn't have the money to promote the Dreamcast, and the Saturn was so awful that they had to push the Dreamcast out ASAP.

Still, I miss the Sega v Nintendo days :(

gloss
Nov 24, 2006, 10:51 AM
I always thought the primary reason for the failure of Dreamcast was the financial deadweight that the Saturn was for Sega. They lost such an incredible amount of money on the Saturn that they simply didn't have the money to promote the Dreamcast, and the Saturn was so awful that they had to push the Dreamcast out ASAP.

Still, I miss the Sega v Nintendo days :(

It was also that EA went back on their word and decided against producing games for the Dreamcast even though it sold the million units they had agreed on. Kind of a shame.

Antares
Nov 24, 2006, 10:53 AM
I'm eventually going to get a PS3 over the Xbox 360. I want BlueRay and some of the "future" PS3 games. Though, I was tempted to buy a 360 this morning since Amazon had them on sale for $100 (which obviously sold out very very quickly).

takao
Nov 24, 2006, 11:02 AM
Yup Dreamcast is blowing away in sales from last gen systems ;) No timing is important but its only one part of the equation for a popular game console

well it has sold more units than the 360 sold untill now ;) (dreamcast = 11 millions, xbox 360 7 millions) but sega was in deep financial troubles which killed the dreamcast.. technically it was ahead of it's time

gloss
Nov 24, 2006, 11:03 AM
I'm eventually going to get a PS3 over the Xbox 360. I want BlueRay and some of the "future" PS3 games. Though, I was tempted to buy a 360 this morning since Amazon had them on sale for $100 (which obviously sold out very very quickly).

I'm actually waiting on the PS3 as a Blu-Ray device until we get a clearer picture of which way the popular tide is flowing. HD-DVD has a pretty considerable head start, but it seems as if quite a few people are choosing to sit things out until one format wins or some genius produces a hybrid player.

FleurDuMal
Nov 24, 2006, 11:09 AM
technically it was ahead of it's time

Ahhh...the 56kbs modem that came with it. It could barely keep up with ChuChuRocket (which rocked). And as dial up internet was all pay as you use back then, I had to sneak down when my parents had gone to bed to play it :D .

I still think Dreamcast is the best name for a games console ever.

gloss
Nov 24, 2006, 11:12 AM
Ahhh...the 56kbs modem that came with it. It could barely keep up with ChuChuRocket (which rocked). And as dial up internet was all pay as you use back then, I had to sneak down when my parents had gone to bed to play it :D .

I still think Dreamcast is the best name for a games console ever.

I distinctly remember people complaining 'Shouldn't it be Dreamcaster?!'

Heh.

"Dreamcast = Cast from Dreams. Like...metal."

GFLPraxis
Nov 24, 2006, 01:59 PM
The only thing that has going for the PS3 is the Cell processor.


Does it even have that? Cell reminds me of the Emotion Engine ("So powerful it can give characters actual emotions! So powerful it can render Toy Story in real time!") in the Playstation 2, and "Blast Processing" in the Sega Genesis. Marketing hype. The actual advantage is minor.

gloss
Nov 24, 2006, 02:05 PM
Does it even have that? Cell reminds me of the Emotion Engine ("So powerful it can give characters actual emotions! So powerful it can render Toy Story in real time!") in the Playstation 2, and "Blast Processing" in the Sega Genesis. Marketing hype. The actual advantage is minor.

From what I've heard, it is a genuinely powerful processor. But it's also a b*tch to program for. Quid pro quo, I guess.

jelloshotsrule
Nov 24, 2006, 02:22 PM
the 360 titles are lacking a lot compared to xbox or ps2 versions... thinking primarily of sports games that have been crippled on 360. i mean seriously, why can i not play 2 people on the same team in the second 360 iteration of madden? pathetic.

i'm guessing the same will be true for ps3 for a while though, so who knows. in the end, it'll come down to the games available for each, and as such, it's not a fair comparison yet

GFLPraxis
Nov 24, 2006, 02:29 PM
From what I've heard, it is a genuinely powerful processor. But it's also a b*tch to program for. Quid pro quo, I guess.

Oh, it definitely has certain advantages but it's nowhere near what Sony claims. It's extremely good with certain types of work and horrible at other types. The big problem here is simply that the XBox 360 and PS3's graphics cards have the exact same feature set and hardware capabilities and similar power levels. The advantages of Cell (pretty dang good at graphics-based code) might let it push a few more polygons, but the fact remains that you will NOT be able to tell the difference between a PS3 and an XBox 360 game graphically.

If you can't tell a visual difference, then it's not anywhere near as big a deal as Sony is making it.

wako
Nov 24, 2006, 02:34 PM
Does it even have that? Cell reminds me of the Emotion Engine ("So powerful it can give characters actual emotions! So powerful it can render Toy Story in real time!") in the Playstation 2, and "Blast Processing" in the Sega Genesis. Marketing hype. The actual advantage is minor.


Sony did over hype the processor. However it is indeed a much powerful processor than the one the Xbox has. There is alot of potential in the processor, but visual differences in games is still something I will be questioning.

Ninja_Turtle
Nov 24, 2006, 02:34 PM
i think the ps3 is gonna have the most success in the long run
i mean think of it

wii, yea it seems extremely cool (and i personally want one) but how long will nintendos fire burn?

360-i personally never liked xbox1 so why xbox 360? i think its a lame system.

and ps3, well taken into consideration how HISTORY played out with all other previous playstations, i think itll just kill everyone else. think about it, ps1 killed off saturn and even the 64, and ps2 killed dreamcast,gamecube,xbox. 3 systems. it has the largest library of games, and alooooot of games are for ps2 rather than on gc or xbox, i think its become an industry standard that if you want to get your game out, release it on the playstation....

so yeah, the Wii is nice and awesome but the ps3 will just have a better life

think about it.

Ninja_Turtle
Nov 24, 2006, 02:41 PM
might i add, the dreamcast i think
is the best
hands down


BEST
system ever.




its open sourced, you can play a million games on it , if you know what to do, it came out with its modem (an industry first), its small and compact...it was for me a good next gen system in its day, but the lack of DVD support is what really killed it....back in japan dreamcast had the market and dvds were virtually unheard of (vhs was still the industry standard before ps2) and when ps2 came out with DVD playback, it just completely changed everything...so personally i dont think the dreamcast died cuz it sucked, it just died cuz of the lack of dvd.

if it had dvd compatability, i bet it wouldve been SEGA vs SONY for a bit.


( it does have VCD compatibility tho :cool: haha )

dukebound85
Nov 24, 2006, 02:47 PM
all i know i was given the choice to get a trampoline or a playstation when it came out back in the mid 90's.

i opted for the trampoline

dukebound85
Nov 24, 2006, 02:56 PM
i think the ps3 is gonna have the most success in the long run
i mean think of it

wii, yea it seems extremely cool (and i personally want one) but how long will nintendos fire burn?

360-i personally never liked xbox1 so why xbox 360? i think its a lame system.

and ps3, well taken into consideration how HISTORY played out with all other previous playstations, i think itll just kill everyone else. think about it, ps1 killed off saturn and even the 64, and ps2 killed dreamcast,gamecube,xbox. 3 systems. it has the largest library of games, and alooooot of games are for ps2 rather than on gc or xbox, i think its become an industry standard that if you want to get your game out, release it on the playstation....

so yeah, the Wii is nice and awesome but the ps3 will just have a better life

think about it.

why is the 360 lame other than your opinion? it now can play pretty much all original xbox games and there are more titles for the 360 than the ps3

combined with the fact that the ps3 is like almost double the cost of a 360, i would say sony is not gonna last.

i mean if i saw a ps3 in front of me and i could get it, i would still have to think super hard about blowing 600 bucks on the system and then paying 60-70 bucks per game.

on the otherhand spending 300 dollars on a 360 is a bit easier to do in my mind

MacRumorUser
Nov 24, 2006, 03:23 PM
Oh, it definitely has certain advantages but it's nowhere near what Sony claims. It's extremely good with certain types of work and horrible at other types. The big problem here is simply that the XBox 360 and PS3's graphics cards have the exact same feature set and hardware capabilities and similar power levels. The advantages of Cell (pretty dang good at graphics-based code) might let it push a few more polygons, but the fact remains that you will NOT be able to tell the difference between a PS3 and an XBox 360 game graphically.

If you can't tell a visual difference, then it's not anywhere near as big a deal as Sony is making it.

Actually the R600 GPU in the 360 is a bit more powerful than the PS3's.

So unless developers really unlock the 'cell' to compensate and make up the difference and 'some little extra' the majority of multiformat games are going to look better on the 360 than the PS3.. This is evident in the launch mutliformat games...

But yeah, end of the day pretty much the same.

As for 'Ninja-Turtles' anaylsis - :rolleyes: sums it up.

zap2
Nov 24, 2006, 03:27 PM
i think the ps3 is gonna have the most success in the long run
i mean think of it

wii, yea it seems extremely cool (and i personally want one) but how long will nintendos fire burn?

360-i personally never liked xbox1 so why xbox 360? i think its a lame system.

and ps3, well taken into consideration how HISTORY played out with all other previous playstations, i think itll just kill everyone else. think about it, ps1 killed off saturn and even the 64, and ps2 killed dreamcast,gamecube,xbox. 3 systems. it has the largest library of games, and alooooot of games are for ps2 rather than on gc or xbox, i think its become an industry standard that if you want to get your game out, release it on the playstation....

so yeah, the Wii is nice and awesome but the ps3 will just have a better life

think about it.


Ya the PlayStation didn't kill off the N64, it did beat it but not like Saturn was beated.

PS2 beat all the other systems true, but PS3 and PS2 are very different consoles. They are aimed at different markets, which I think was a bad move because as proving PS1/2 market was a hit, now PS3 comes and aims for high end spenders with HDTVs.

Look back on old consoles, most of the failed systems have been the ones that tried to do to much or were to complex or over price. PS3 seems to fit all of those, but its ridding high off the PlayStation name so there is no doubt in my mind it will sell.

Bur Sony from 5 years ago is different sony from 2006, profits are down 40% in 5 years, profits down 94% this year.

I see Sony and Nintendo following that path the PSP and DS set for them. PSP is high end ,pricey and good graphics. DS is new, innovative and cheap(er). PS3 and Wii are very similar to there handheld brothers, and I think the home market will follow the handheld market.(Which is DS out selling PSP, but PSP still selling a good amount of units so far)

Dagless
Nov 24, 2006, 05:33 PM
and ps3, well taken into consideration how HISTORY played out with all other previous playstations, i think itll just kill everyone else. think about it, ps1 killed off saturn and even the 64, and ps2 killed dreamcast,gamecube,xbox. 3 systems. it has the largest library of games, and alooooot of games are for ps2 rather than on gc or xbox, i think its become an industry standard that if you want to get your game out, release it on the playstation....

so yeah, the Wii is nice and awesome but the ps3 will just have a better life

think about it.

History you say?

Can you show me in history when the most powerful system "won" a generation?

Can you show me in history when a system that cost more than £300 ever did well in the market?

Can you show me in history when a systems 3rd iteration "won"?

Can you show me in history when a system pushing a new (non-standard) media format "won"?

FleurDuMal
Nov 24, 2006, 05:41 PM
History you say?

Can you show me in history when the most powerful system "won" a generation?

Can you show me in history when a system that cost more than £300 ever did well in the market?

Can you show me in history when a systems 3rd iteration "won"?

Can you show me in history when a system pushing a new (non-standard) media format "won"?

Well, if there's no chance of any system winning by doing something thats not been done before, Nintendo's buggered before it's even started :o

Dagless
Nov 24, 2006, 05:50 PM
Well, if there's no chance of any system winning by doing something thats not been done before, Nintendo's buggered before it's even started :o

It's only been recently with the DS but so far radical new control methods seem to have a way of pulling people in.

The way I see it the Wii is going to sell more systems this generation but be shunned by the 360/PS3 fanboys as it targets the non-gamers. I can already picture the messages as "my gran has a DVD player, does that make her a film expert", or whatever. The non-gamer market will be ridiculed. I personally think the fight between the 360 and PS3 will be very interesting. Both of equal power, one coming out a year before the other, one costing half the price, each having its own dominant countries etc.

Spanky Deluxe
Nov 24, 2006, 05:52 PM
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Spanky Deluxe
Nov 24, 2006, 06:01 PM
Rather than point out the obvious to Ninja_Turtle I'll just wait for some reality to come and smack him across the face. ;)


Fanboys. :rolleyes:

Both of equal power, one coming out a year before the other, one costing half the price, each having its own dominant countries etc.

You missed out one having about ten times the number of games than the other, one available to buy easily.


Seriously, apart from Bluray I can't even begin to imagine why a reasonable person would want a PS3 over an Xbox 360. Apart from to sell of course.

Raggedjimmi, I think you might be right there about the gamers vs non-gamers although it would only be the most hardcore of gamers. All of the gaming review sites (that I always imagine are run by hardcore gamers) seem to heavily favour the Wii.

Concepts that open things up to the masses for a reasonable price tend to do very well indeed. Concepts that open things up to the masses but are too expensive tend to flop.

coffey7
Nov 24, 2006, 06:10 PM
It will take about 2 years to answer this one. If you like the rpg games then you will like the ps3 better. If you like the best first person shooters then you should go with the 360. If you like Mario games and games where you roll around and stuff sticks to you get a Wii.

Dagless
Nov 24, 2006, 06:13 PM
It will take about 2 years to answer this one. If you like the rpg games then you will like the ps3 better. If you like the best first person shooters then you should go with the 360. If you like Mario games and games where you roll around and stuff sticks to you get a Wii.

you mean where the PS3's best game so far is an FPS, the 360's an RPG and a 3rd person shooter and the Wii's being a darker Zelda game?
:D I thought I'd have nothing to do whilst capturing some DV footage but forums are always good for a laugh :)

FleurDuMal
Nov 24, 2006, 06:14 PM
It's only been recently with the DS but so far radical new control methods seem to have a way of pulling people in.

The way I see it the Wii is going to sell more systems this generation but be shunned by the 360/PS3 fanboys as it targets the non-gamers. I can already picture the messages as "my gran has a DVD player, does that make her a film expert", or whatever. The non-gamer market will be ridiculed. I personally think the fight between the 360 and PS3 will be very interesting. Both of equal power, one coming out a year before the other, one costing half the price, each having its own dominant countries etc.

Well, out of all the consoles, I think it's the Wii which will really have the hardest time. It's all very well getting everyone to gather round the Wii at Thanksgiving or Christmas and have a nice time - as I'm sure it will - but convincing those same people to go out and buy one and then continue buying games for it is a completely different story. I think Nintendo's market increase will actually come from attracting back old gamers rather than attracting new ones. I'm sorry but, if I took home a Wii this Christmas, I'm sure my mum and dad would love it, but I'm just as sure that they would not go out and buy one for themselves. Whether this is stigma or lack of time I don't know, but I just know they wouldn't.

I hope that Nintendo hasn't placed too much emphasis on penetrating a market which simply can't be reached, otherwise they could get screwed again. I don't know what I'd do without my Mario fixes :(

MacRumorUser
Nov 24, 2006, 06:17 PM
What I love is when teenagers start saying 'its history' and can only rember 8-10 years ago at the very best....

Because you know gaming only began in 1996... :rolleyes:

Thank god history books arent written by them.

MacsomJRR
Nov 24, 2006, 06:18 PM
I haven't knocked around on a PS3 yet but after playing on the 360 for a while it just doesn't have the right gaming feel for me. The games that are on their way for the PS3 should be pretty spectacular (new GTA game sometime towards the end of next year comes to mind) and I think that they will play better on the PS3. It is all subjective though. A friend of mine swears that the original nintendo was never improved upon and reigns supreme over all current and next gen:)

FleurDuMal
Nov 24, 2006, 06:18 PM
It will take about 2 years to answer this one. If you like the rpg games then you will like the ps3 better. If you like the best first person shooters then you should go with the 360. If you like Mario games and games where you roll around and stuff sticks to you get a Wii.

Well, if you look at a release schedule, you'll see quite a few nice looking Japanese RPG's coming up for the 360 in the next year. MS is trying it's darnest to break that market (it won't work, but I ain't complaining if it means something other than FPS's and sports games).

The games that are on their way for the PS3 should be pretty spectacular (new GTA game sometime towards the end of next year comes to mind) and I think that they will play better on the PS3.

What makes you think that? :confused:

MacRumorUser
Nov 24, 2006, 06:24 PM
What makes you think that? :confused:

a combination of ignorance and naivety

Chone
Nov 24, 2006, 06:58 PM
Seriously, apart from Bluray I can't even begin to imagine why a reasonable person would want a PS3 over an Xbox 360. Apart from to sell of course.

This kind of contradicting, if anyone buys a PS3 to sell it and someone is willing to pay upwards of 1000$ for it then that means tons of people WANT a PS3.

PS3 will eventually progress but the delay in release was a dumb move and if BluRay doesn't become the standard format then... Sony is screwed.

Spanky Deluxe
Nov 24, 2006, 07:05 PM
This kind of contradicting, if anyone buys a PS3 to sell it and someone is willing to pay upwards of 1000$ for it then that means tons of people WANT a PS3.

Hence why I said I couldn't begin to imagine why a reasonable person would want a PS3 over an Xbox 360 apart from to sell or for Bluray. A reasonable person wouldn't pay upwards of $1000.

dukebound85
Nov 24, 2006, 07:09 PM
I haven't knocked around on a PS3 yet but after playing on the 360 for a while it just doesn't have the right gaming feel for me. The games that are on their way for the PS3 should be pretty spectacular (new GTA game sometime towards the end of next year comes to mind) and I think that they will play better on the PS3. It is all subjective though. A friend of mine swears that the original nintendo was never improved upon and reigns supreme over all current and next gen:)

um totally! duckhunt and bubble bobble need i say more??

zap2
Nov 24, 2006, 07:31 PM
if BluRay doesn't become the standard format then... Sony is screwed.

Maybe...but it still plays DVDs, and since most movies will still be on DVDs until near Ps3's death it would work, plus game makers could still use blue-ray. Yes it would be a kick in the face, as Sony would be taking huge loses for almost nt reason, but PS3 could still last with out blue-ray, but then Sony would be screwed unless the PS3 started selling crazy fast(as blue-ray is there plan for make big bucks for the next few years) Sony did SO well with the PS2, why go and change there gaming plan?

fall3n
Nov 24, 2006, 07:47 PM
I think Sony is far from screwed. It's too early to make assumptions. Give it a year and a price drop and PS3 will have tonnes of games out and tonnes of followers. Watch 'n wait.

pgc6000
Nov 24, 2006, 11:55 PM
Ok you guys, I don't think any console manufacturer is screwed. I don't really have much to back that up on since the Next-Gen console battle is really just starting, but let's think realisticly and not in some fan boy set of mind...Yes, I don't think Nintendo will have the easiet time, but its going to attract two groups: the nintendo hardcore loyalists, and the average light/non gamer. I am not really a Nintendo fan, but I'm just thinking in what I see as the most likely outcome. Nintendo by no means is screwed over. As far as I can see, the Wii is offering a different game experience and will attract a different overall crowd. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are aiming at similar if not identical crowds. That is where the battle really gets fierce...:eek:

Symtex
Nov 25, 2006, 12:41 AM
What I love is when teenagers start saying 'its history' and can only rember 8-10 years ago at the very best....

Because you know gaming only began in 1996... :rolleyes:

Thank god history books arent written by them.


lol @ macrumoruser. Its not fun to grow old. Even before the Atari 2600. I remember playing with a TSR80, Vic 20 and Comodore 64.

poppe
Nov 25, 2006, 12:44 AM
why not make this in to a poll?

SpankyPenzaanz
Nov 25, 2006, 12:45 AM
It will take about 2 years to answer this one. If you like the rpg games then you will like the ps3 better. If you like the best first person shooters then you should go with the 360. If you like Mario games and games where you roll around and stuff sticks to you get a Wii.

I beg to differ about your comment on the rpgs - I think bioware is currently the best at what they do in producing rpgs and nothing from japan compares in my opinion. Mass Effect has some incredible promise and the only thing I see for ps3 rpg wise is a number with final fantasy infront of it or follows the guidelines set forth by them. Oh and don't forget oblivion but i think thats coming for ps3 as well. I don't have wii yet but i would love to give red steel a try just for the controls and I want the next iteration of mario kart. as ofr shooters yeah I like 'em and i love halo, ghost recon, rainbow6vegas is fantastic and i am finnaly considering getting rid of graw. gears of war is just as fun as anything else out there.

Ninja_Turtle
Nov 25, 2006, 03:12 AM
true to most of what you guys are saying, but need i remind you all the wonderful games playstation usually has over other systems?

for me gta wins them all and since sonic is being published on almost all systems ill be ok


well to me the playstations have won every single gen theyve been out, and it did kill the N64.

the ps3 just seems the black sheep cuz no one wants to dish out 600$ on a 'gaming system' and only the rich kids have hdtvs.

i know i wouldnt, and i dont think alot of other people will want to either.
but as with anything else on the market, prices will drop sooner or later.

so the ps3 will drop its price, and soon everyone will have one, i guarantee it.

also when the ps2 came out, EVERYONE was complaining about how under powered it was and blah blah blah, now sony listens to its consumers (but goes a tad too far this time) and everyone still complains :p

FleurDuMal
Nov 25, 2006, 04:13 AM
for me gta wins them all and since sonic is being published on almost all systems ill be ok




You do know that GTA is on all the systems, right?

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 05:06 AM
You do know that GTA is on all the systems, right?

and sonic games havent been any good since they stopped being on sega hardware....

even the new one is a big pile of hedgehog ****..


lol @ macrumoruser. Its not fun to grow old. Even before the Atari 2600. I remember playing with a TSR80, Vic 20 and Comodore 64.

LMAO.. True. I guess you know where getting old when we start moaning at those damn pesky kids. Get off my lawn.... :D

FleurDuMal
Nov 25, 2006, 05:12 AM
and sonic games havent been any good since they stopped being on sega hardware....

even the new one is a big pile of hedgehog ****..


It also has the most disturbing scenes of beatiality ever witnessed in a video game :eek:

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 05:17 AM
It also has the most disturbing scenes of beatiality ever witnessed in a video game :eek:

LOL.. how they thought that storyline was 'appropriate'... :confused: :o :D

FleurDuMal
Nov 25, 2006, 05:25 AM
LOL.. how they thought that storyline was 'appropriate'... :confused: :o :D

Someone in the Sega development team is a very, very lonely guy...

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 05:29 AM
Someone in the Sega development team is a very, very lonely guy...

with a lot of traumatised pets :D

quick call doctor dolittle now :D :D :D

Dagless
Nov 25, 2006, 06:54 AM
I don't know much about Sonic these days, but aren't all the new ones developed by different people? Sonic Team ended up being some group of Americans or something?
Like Mario Bros 2 all over again, and again, and again.

gloss
Nov 25, 2006, 07:06 AM
What Sega needs is to give the Shining series back to Camelot Software Planning, reform Team Andromeda and release a Panzer Dragoon Saga sequel, and let Smilebit release another Eternal/Skies of Arcadia title.

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 08:28 AM
I don't know much about Sonic these days, but aren't all the new ones developed by different people? Sonic Team ended up being some group of Americans or something?
Like Mario Bros 2 all over again, and again, and again.

they are develpoed by Sonic Team, and whilst some staff may have changed a lot of the lead staff are still the same.

Theyre still crap games regardless. Sonic should never have moved to 3D

pgc6000
Nov 25, 2006, 08:29 AM
true to most of what you guys are saying, but need i remind you all the wonderful games playstation usually has over other systems?

for me gta wins them all and since sonic is being published on almost all systems ill be ok


Yes well things can change...and GTA is being released on the 360 to, so no worries. It's really to early to say the PS3 will come out on top in the end. Same goes for the 360. However, the 360 is currently enjoying a dominance, possibly brief or for good. We really can't tell yet...

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 08:38 AM
Yes well things can change...and GTA is being released on the 360 to, so no worries. It's really to early to say the PS3 will come out on top in the end. Same goes for the 360. However, the 360 is currently enjoying a dominance, possibly brief or for good. We really can't tell yet...

Sony will probably end up coming out on top, but not by the massive dominated majority of the past few years. Pretty much an even battle this time round with all three consoles.



That 'Sony selling the most' I dont mind.

Crap statements like well its bound to be better on a sony machine without any educated reasoning or thought really pisses me off.

If your going to post a clear statement (not you pgc6000 - you know who i'm refering to ;) ) at least have some evidence to back up your hypothesis.

Not just, cos PS2 rulez man, they dun over N64.... bah blah blah .. :rolleyes:

Every market if fickle. Brand loyality goes some way, but when you get complacent and ignorant of the consumer, it generally means jack poop.

If your going to quote Sony as history I suggest you goto google and wiki and research atari, commodore, spectrum, amstrad, 3DO, sega, bbc, acorn and more.... success of the past does not guarantee success in the future.

edit: it's also worth pointing out that in the 'history' of computer gaming, the most powerful system on the market & the most expensive system on the market - has NEVER been the most successful.

2nyRiggz
Nov 25, 2006, 11:23 AM
I think this race will be so tight(The way I want it) beacause I wouldn't want any of the consoles failing...that means less for me and for all the people who want to see other consoles go stale.....you are the one thats losing.


Bless

clayj
Nov 25, 2006, 01:19 PM
Funnily enough, I have heard a LOT of reports of people going to Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. and seeing that the PS3 display unit is frozen, hung, locked up, or even turned OFF. I was at one of the Best Buys here in Charlotte yesterday afternoon and their PS3 was turned off. I asked the salesdroid about it and he just shrugged.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Microsoft sold probably 500,000 Xbox 360s yesterday... between all of the sales and promos that were on for Black Friday, people were snapping up 360s like hotcakes.

840quadra
Nov 25, 2006, 01:40 PM
I have 6 months to watch and decide. I am a PS loyalist, however I don't like how they are raping us on price, and came out so dreadfully late.

It is going to be a waiting game for me, and , sorry, I will not pay money for anything Microsoft in the near future, so my other option is the Wii.

GFLPraxis
Nov 25, 2006, 01:46 PM
It also has the most disturbing scenes of beatiality ever witnessed in a video game :eek:

Do I want to ask?

FleurDuMal
Nov 25, 2006, 01:58 PM
Do I want to ask?

Lets just say within the game a love is born which should never speak it's name... :(

MacRumorUser
Nov 25, 2006, 02:05 PM
Lets just say within the game a love is born which should never speak it's name... :(

Lets just say if you see a young woman wearing a

http://images.cafepress.com/product/23649974v1_240x240_Front.jpg

and a blue hedghog with a tube of

http://www.bedroompleasures.co.uk/catalog/images/ky_jelly_med.jpg


you can work out the rest :eek:

Dagless
Nov 25, 2006, 02:05 PM
I wrote an article about how Sonic had turned rubbish. I lost most of it when Pages crashed. Poor Sonic, forget the bestiality and start worrying why Sonic Team raped such a wonderful character and series.

pgc6000
Nov 25, 2006, 07:30 PM
Lets just say if you see a young woman wearing a

http://images.cafepress.com/product/23649974v1_240x240_Front.jpg

and a blue hedghog with a tube of

http://www.bedroompleasures.co.uk/catalog/images/ky_jelly_med.jpg


you can work out the rest :eek:
haha

how did we get to Sonic?

Dagless
Nov 25, 2006, 07:51 PM
haha

how did we get to Sonic?

Bit of alcohol, bit of flirting. Easy really.

Just don't cheat on him with up, down, left, right, A, Start.

apfhex
Nov 25, 2006, 08:20 PM
Funnily enough, I have heard a LOT of reports of people going to Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. and seeing that the PS3 display unit is frozen, hung, locked up, or even turned OFF.
Hah, indeed. A few days before the PS3's launch I was at BB and overheard some sales guys telling some customers "we have a playable PS3 unit over here!.... oh, is it frozen again?" (or something along those lines).

I think it's safe to say the 360 won't fail (that's not to say it will beat the PS3 in the end, but who knows). It's a hell of a lot more appealing than the PS3 right now, that's for sure. They're even making a profit on it with strong game sales.

If you like the rpg games then you will like the ps3 better. If you like the best first person shooters then you should go with the 360. If you like Mario games and games where you roll around and stuff sticks to you get a Wii.
Of course, Katamari Damacy is a PS2 game... but it would definitely be appropriate for the Nintendo crowd. KatamarWii :p :p :D sounds dang fun to me. I don't like FPS's with gamepads and I don't like Japanese/Final Fantasy-style RPGs, so I guess I fit right into your li'll characterization there. I'm compelled to point out Nintendo has much more than just Mario... Metroid alone makes any system it's on a must-buy for me (even if the DS one kinda sucked).

SactoGuy18
Nov 25, 2006, 09:39 PM
The biggest question in regards to the success of PlayStation 3 is whether they can offer the single access point online gaming experience that the Xbox 360 offers through the superb Xbox Live service. PS3's PlayStation Network looks very intriguing, but the last I've heard the service is still very bare-bones, awaiting the games that take advantage of this service coming over the next year or so.

With the increasing availability of broadband Internet access here in the USA, Xbox Live makes it possible to do things like have two players of Madden 07 play from different areas of the country or do massive multiplayer online role-playing games. I'm surprised Blizzard Entertainment haven't considered porting World of Warcraft to the Xbox 360 platform.

poppe
Nov 25, 2006, 10:11 PM
To me honestly this race feels like it is more something along the lines of if Apple came out with a 6 generation iPod with glitz and glamour but kept having quite a bit of trouble with it... It'd still probably be king, but other MP3 players would start to catch up a little closer. Now this isn't a perfect example because iPod is god to most and PS2 was not king of consoles, well not like the iPod...

I got the 360 because I find the game's I'm playing are more fun, than the PS3 games. The PS3 is pretty sweet, if all the quirks could have been worked out a little better.

Oh and XBOX live was so so so much fun... It made the games seem completely new game. I was done with halo 2 3 days after I got it, but oh my precious (xbox live) brought it completely back!

Though I still think PS3 has some sweet kick ass potential...

GFLPraxis
Nov 26, 2006, 01:07 AM
To me honestly this race feels like it is more something along the lines of if Apple came out with a 6 generation iPod with glitz and glamour but kept having quite a bit of trouble with it... It'd still probably be king, but other MP3 players would start to catch up a little closer. Now this isn't a perfect example because iPod is god to most and PS2 was not king of consoles, well not like the iPod...


Actually, yes, it was. The iPod has a 70% marketshare. The PS2 had a 70% marketshare.

American's just don't know it. The XBox bombed in Japan, horribly. The GameCube bombed in the U.S., horribly. The PS2 was the top seller everywhere.

pgc6000
Nov 26, 2006, 08:53 AM
Actually, yes, it was. The iPod has a 70% marketshare. The PS2 had a 70% marketshare.

American's just don't know it. The XBox bombed in Japan, horribly. The GameCube bombed in the U.S., horribly. The PS2 was the top seller everywhere.
Yes, but when your looking for a new MP3 player, chances are the iPod is going to be the first mentioned with little of other choices that seem in anyway tempting. When asking about a new game console, PS2 would probably be the first to be mentioned, but there was def. other life on the console planet.

KipCoon
Nov 26, 2006, 09:19 AM
360, PS3 is nice on paper but as it stands, the execution of their launch and title list isnt that impressive and really, Sony's tactics for releasing their systems, alone, pisses me off to not buy their product. 40,000 units nation wide? What were they thinking?

360 has good solid titles, I agree the online is better and even though you said, price aside, 600 dollars for a game system and 60-70 dollars per game, is just rediculous....


But then, I ende dup with a Wii myself and love it :D

zap2
Nov 26, 2006, 09:22 AM
Sony's tactics for releasing their systems, alone, pisses me off to not buy their product. 40,000 units nation wide? What were they thinking?



I think your mean 400,000, not that it was nearly enough but its better then 40,000

Bubbasteve
Nov 26, 2006, 09:28 AM
I say 360 for now but my choice might change next year (although I don't see that happening)

There isn't really a great, must-have game for the PS3 to me (maybe to you there is with the final fantasy games, Ninja Gaiden, or Metal Gear Solid) -- but most of those must have titles will be featured on the 360 as well...

I say PS3 and I don't say that anti-Sony -- It's just my honest opinion

Chone
Nov 26, 2006, 09:29 AM
Yes, but when your looking for a new MP3 player, chances are the iPod is going to be the first mentioned with little of other choices that seem in anyway tempting. When asking about a new game console, PS2 would probably be the first to be mentioned, but there was def. other life on the console planet.

Yeah, though I definitely see Xbox360 taking away some of the PS2's marketshare and becoming the leader of this gen, I don't even know if PS3 can win, I mean so many problems, so many franchises on Xbox360 too, Nintendo actually putting out a good console (say what you will, the gamecube sucked).

I'm a PS2 owner because of the franchises that have established here and because well overall its a nice console, however I see many games flocking to the 360 and getting some nice exclusives as well and now PS3 with so many flaws (I mean seriously), it shows Microsoft knows what they are doing, Sony looks like a confused child with tons of power to do stuff.

Now the Wii looks more interesting, the new controls are pretty great and I have my PC to satisfy my graphic whore needs so I think I'll skip the power consoles this gen and go straight to the quirky one!

I'll think about buying a PS3/Xbox360 late 2007/early 2008, until then, I'll enjoy the Wii.

pgc6000
Nov 26, 2006, 09:56 AM
Now the Wii looks more interesting, the new controls are pretty great and I have my PC to satisfy my graphic whore needs so I think I'll skip the power consoles this gen and go straight to the quirky one!

I'll think about buying a PS3/Xbox360 late 2007/early 2008, until then, I'll enjoy the Wii.
Well, I'm not a real big Nintendo fan and don't really plan on getting a Wii, but in Nintendo's defense, lots of people, at least here on MacRumors, are satisfied with the Wii. It can't really be that bad

dukebound85
Nov 26, 2006, 09:30 PM
Yeah, though I definitely see Xbox360 taking away some of the PS2's marketshare and becoming the leader of this gen, I don't even know if PS3 can win, I mean so many problems, so many franchises on Xbox360 too, Nintendo actually putting out a good console (say what you will, the gamecube sucked).

I'm a PS2 owner because of the franchises that have established here and because well overall its a nice console, however I see many games flocking to the 360 and getting some nice exclusives as well and now PS3 with so many flaws (I mean seriously), it shows Microsoft knows what they are doing, Sony looks like a confused child with tons of power to do stuff.

Now the Wii looks more interesting, the new controls are pretty great and I have my PC to satisfy my graphic whore needs so I think I'll skip the power consoles this gen and go straight to the quirky one!

I'll think about buying a PS3/Xbox360 late 2007/early 2008, until then, I'll enjoy the Wii.


but i liked the gamecube lol. even though it got really hard to find games as of late such as f-zero or timesplitters futer perfect.

so glad the wii can play all these games with the gc controllers!

e²Studios
Nov 26, 2006, 10:15 PM
Get a Wii :D I have played the 360 and the PS3 and nothing about either of them has impressed me as much as the Wii has. When i play the Wii i get the feeling that i got when i was a kid while playing the original NES, it brings you in to the game, you are a part of it. Sure it doesnt have the fancy HD resolution that either the 360 or the PS3 has but what both consoles lack is fun, imho after the Wii sitting there and getting sore thumbs with one of the other consoles is just boring, give me sore muscles and joints the next morning any day, make me part of the game.

E

Spanky Deluxe
Nov 26, 2006, 10:21 PM
Get a Wii :D I have played the 360 and the PS3 and nothing about either of them has impressed me as much as the Wii has. When i play the Wii i get the feeling that i got when i was a kid while playing the original NES, it brings you in to the game, you are a part of it. Sure it doesnt have the fancy HD resolution that either the 360 or the PS3 has but what both consoles lack is fun, imho after the Wii sitting there and getting sore thumbs with one of the other consoles is just boring, give me sore muscles and joints the next morning any day, make me part of the game.

E

You're getting me so excited already!! "When I play the Wii I get the feeling that I got when I was a kid while playing the original NES". If I get that then I will be happy! 11 days to go now...

poppe
Nov 27, 2006, 12:41 AM
You're getting me so excited already!! "When I play the Wii I get the feeling that I got when I was a kid while playing the original NES". If I get that then I will be happy! 11 days to go now...

You want excitement? You should see the Wii Stations in the Mall... It's like they are handing out candy kids, except they are in adult bodies. It's nuts watching all these people who have never even thought about consoles or even knew what the new consoles were are going wild for the Wii. You see moms and dads all playing laughing... Kids playing on other stations. Everyone laughing and smiling... Its a sight to see. It kinda reminds me of when I had my 64 and my parents who never ever played any system before in their life and I brought them Goldeye 007... They played me one round in it, and were so convinced they wanted a 64 we dropped everything and ran to Toys R Us to buy a new N64.

ddrueckhammer
Nov 27, 2006, 01:10 AM
What Sega needs is to give the Shining series back to Camelot Software Planning, reform Team Andromeda and release a Panzer Dragoon Saga sequel, and let Smilebit release another Eternal/Skies of Arcadia title.

Agreed 100%. Especially about the Shining Series. Shining Force III Volumes 1-3 should be remade for a Next Gen Console in English (I don't care which, even the Wii) since nobody played them and they are some of the most under rated games ever. IMO, the first three Shining Force Games are as good as any Mario, Final Fantasy, or Zelda title ever made.

Also, hopefully Sega is going to release as much software as possible on the Wii Virtual Console, including Saturn and Dreamcast titles in the future, because they could make a ton of cash that way as well.

Ninja_Turtle
Nov 27, 2006, 03:17 AM
yeah sonic games have gone to crap

but i still enjoi sonic adv.1 and 2 , i played that lame sonic heroes game and yeah ...they have turned to crap...the only last good sonic game was SONIC RUSH on the DS, i was pleased with that:D

also i hear that the new sonic hedg, has a love affair with a human?


ugh, what kind of ********* is that?
whoever thought of this idea should be fired
just like the guy who got fired who brought up the idea of making a sequel to 'baby geniuses'

pgc6000
Nov 27, 2006, 06:19 AM
Get a Wii :D When i play the Wii i get the feeling that i got when i was a kid while playing the original NES,


That good, eh? Heh, if I weren't getting a 360 I'd probably have to get a Wii.

Dagless
Nov 27, 2006, 06:32 AM
That good, eh? Heh, if I weren't getting a 360 I'd probably have to get a Wii.

You're certainly determined ;)

zero2dash
Nov 27, 2006, 12:38 PM
yeah sonic games have gone to crap

also i hear that the new sonic hedg, has a love affair with a human?

ugh, what kind of ********* is that?


The new Sonic game has a horrible camera system compared to SA 1+2 that makes it nearly unplayable.
(Based off the demo I downloaded off XBLive)
Avoid it.

As for the OP's question:
I bought a 360 with my Wii money and couldn't be happier. Between a 360 and Ps3 I think you'd be better off with a 360. Both are similar in terms of graphical capabilities but the 360 is more efficient and therefore will have better framerates in games (and this has been proven thus far in multiplatform titles between the two systems). 360 also has a better/more feature rich online experience and a much better lineup of games for the future. Ps3 is just starting out so you can't expect much, but at this point in the game, they're already very far behind. Sony's year delay may end up doing a lot of harm to them...time will tell.

pgc6000
Nov 28, 2006, 06:57 AM
To tell the truth, I have to say well yes the graphics are very nice looking on the new gen consoles, I don't feel like they're the massive graphical leap Playstation and N64 had (PS to PS2, N64 to GC). Not that I'm really complaining, I'm just being observant. could just be my eyes though :p

zero2dash
Nov 28, 2006, 08:54 AM
To tell the truth, I have to say well yes the graphics are very nice looking on the new gen consoles, I don't feel like they're the massive graphical leap Playstation and N64 had (PS to PS2, N64 to GC). Not that I'm really complaining, I'm just being observant. could just be my eyes though :p

If you see Gears of War on an HDTV, you'll see the large leap, trust me. ;)
Running a 360 or Ps3 on a SDTV isn't as impressive as seeing the same system on an HDTV. Not that the HDTV is a requirement, but it makes the upgrade picture a little more clearer (pun intended). :D

pgc6000
Nov 28, 2006, 09:06 PM
If you see Gears of War on an HDTV, you'll see the large leap, trust me. ;)
Running a 360 or Ps3 on a SDTV isn't as impressive as seeing the same system on an HDTV. Not that the HDTV is a requirement, but it makes the upgrade picture a little more clearer (pun intended). :D
What if I were to hook it up to a PC monitor, (yes, I know an additional cable is required)? Would the resolution look any better? Mind you that this monitor is fairly new. I only got it last year.

mad jnr
Nov 30, 2006, 04:29 AM
Which console got released last cause usually people drop the old and go for the latest stuff. for example xbox 360 was released too early so the nintendo Wiii is all the talk now.

wako
Nov 30, 2006, 09:22 AM
What if I were to hook it up to a PC monitor, (yes, I know an additional cable is required)? Would the resolution look any better? Mind you that this monitor is fairly new. I only got it last year.




oh yeah you would...


All the textures right now look like a blur to you on your standard TV, when you hook it up to a monitor you can see the texture actually has a design. Walls actually look like a wall because it is grainy, not just a blurred color. And most of all, on you can actually see into the distance unlike playing on a standard TV.


The biggest thing you will notice is probably you can see further into the distance with much more clarity. When I was playing it on my friend's standard TV I couldnt make out the enemies half the time.

Dagless
Nov 30, 2006, 09:40 AM
Which is why I'll be buying my own Wii when either Nintendo or a 3rd party release a VGA cable. Forget the resolution increase I just want a much clearer image than what a composite cable can provide.

pgc6000
Nov 30, 2006, 04:52 PM
oh yeah you would...


All the textures right now look like a blur to you on your standard TV, when you hook it up to a monitor you can see the texture actually has a design. Walls actually look like a wall because it is grainy, not just a blurred color. And most of all, on you can actually see into the distance unlike playing on a standard TV.


The biggest thing you will notice is probably you can see further into the distance with much more clarity. When I was playing it on my friend's standard TV I couldnt make out the enemies half the time.
Heh, might have to use my PC monitor for my usual display if it's that good.

mad jnr
Dec 10, 2006, 03:35 AM
360 is probably the best because I've seen lots of ads about the 360 and nothing on PS3.

tjcampbell
Dec 10, 2006, 06:22 AM
I love my 360!!! Great titles and lovely controllers.

I tried a PS3 at CEX in London. Wasn't impressed.

My plan is to keep my 360 wired to my projector (1080i games on an 8 ft screen!) and to get a Wii for my television.

I regret not pre-ordering a Wii, but I'm not going to pay double price for something on ebay.

Cheers, Tom

mad jnr
Dec 10, 2006, 08:48 PM
I love my 360!!! Great titles and lovely controllers.


Cheers, Tom

I'm not Tom. I'm his little brother.HAHAHAHA(evil laugh). 360 will probably be upgraded when everyone gets sick of it.e.g.360.5.

timswim78
Jan 25, 2007, 08:41 PM
My plan is to keep my 360 wired to my projector (1080i games on an 8 ft screen!) and to get a Wii for my television.


Sounds like fun. Do you have to have a dark room to do this?

mad jnr
Apr 5, 2007, 02:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that 360 won and this thread will be closed soon, but I reckon there should be a new thread in ten years talking about what happened to this possibly tired franchise.

zap2
Apr 5, 2007, 11:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that 360 won and this thread will be closed soon, but I reckon there should be a new thread in ten years talking about what happened to this possibly tired franchise.

quit trolling in the gamin section.