Nintendo is too childish for me - help!

[Spartacus]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

[PlaceofDis]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

remember that nintendo doesn't make all the games. and remember that as long as you have fun playing the games thats all tha matters.

[jeremy.king]

Flamebait alert!

So you want more buttons on your controller and games with rapists, thugs, and cop killers? Theres a good mix of games targeted toward "mature" audiences, so I don't get your beef? Personally, I'd rather have fun playing a game then struggling with the controls (ala xbox/ps3).

[Rojo]

If you say the gameplay is great, who cares how it's presented?

I don't own a Wii, but I've always been under the impression it's been about bringing FUN back into games. It's a gaming console that can be enjoyed by ALL ages. It's perfect for kids, but it's also great for adults who aren't looking for overly complex games that bog you down with too many details at the expense of just fun gaming.

If the games feel too cutesy for you, then perhaps you got the wrong console. But hasn't Nintendo always been on the cutesy side? I thought that was part of their appeal and charm.

If *I* was to get a gaming console, it would be a Wii, specifically for all the reasons I stated above.

[jdechko]

There are going to be a ton of great "mature" games coming out soon enough (I assume) for the Wii. There were also some mature games out for the Gamecube as well (RE games, Hitman come to mind). SplinterCell Double Agent is coming out soon for the Wii, which is a mature game. There are also your "run of the mill" EA games coming out too, that have broad appeal, as well as the WWII Shooters that are the rage (CoD 3 is out). As an earlier poster mentioned, Nintendo will make the games that Nintendo makes. The majority of those games are franchises which aren't mature by nature. Part of the reason is probably that Nintendo is touting the Wii as a console for everyone, from kids to grandparents. So much of the mature subject matter is out of the question. I have no doubts that we will continue to see more mature themed games on the Wii; although, maybe not the likes of Bully and GTA.

For the DS, well, I really don't know. To me, the non-mature themes seem to be the nature of the device. I haven't really kept up with what games are out/coming out, but there are some great games that I know of that should be really fun.

I really suppose the whole thing depends on what you mean by "mature" though, as video games are meant to appeal to a wide variety. What's mature for some might not be mature for others.

[evilgEEk]

Having owned a Wii for all of four days, I absolutely believe it's the greatest console ever created.

Personally, I put more emphasis on gameplay rather than on graphics and how many hookers and cops i can kill in five minutes. Always makes me laugh that those games are called "Mature", so very ironic.

Anyway, if you want more "serious" games then I don't think the Wii is for you. Put it on ebay and then get a 360 or wait and try to snag a PS3.

Cheers!

[sikkinixx]

Nintendo feels cutesy to me as well, but you gotta get over it. There are lots of GC games are that M rated and several M rated games on the way for Wii as well. It's just that the higher profile games like Mario and Pokemon are a little kiddy. Mario never USED to be kiddy, he was gangsta (ok...not really) but over the years he seems to be more and more cutesy (ie. Mario Sunshine) but oh well.

I kind of feel ignored by gaming companies lately. The money is in new gamers, younger kids, adults who havent played games etc. Those people who need the easy simple controls and all that. Much like the cell phone companies who kiss the asses of new customers and stick their noses up at their current customers I feel like the developers and such don't cater to MY needs enough. I want complex. I want long and difficult.

Look at the Wii launch: Zelda, Red Steel, Marvel and CoD3 are the only T+ rated games (and Zelda is fine for younger kids, maybea little hard but not anything bad). Cars! Rayman! Super Monkey Ball! Tony Hawk Down Hill Jam! Excite Truck! It shows who they wanna develop for.

[DavidLeblond]

Just wait until you get a bit older. I use to feel the same way. But once you hit about 25 (I'm 27) you start to get to the point where you think "who cares, as long as its fun."

For me, its a matter of the control scheme. Nintendo has always made the controls that make the most sense for me. The older I get, the harder it is to figure out these damn controllers sporting 80 buttons. For instance, this weekend I went to my brother's house and my nephew made me play against him in a PS2 game, Star Wars Battlefront. First of all, I couldn't grasp the 2 joysticks to make the guy move. I would want to go forward and would end up looking at my feet. Then when it came time to shoot I ask what button did it and he responded "L2!"... L2? wtf? "How do I work this turret?" "X!" "How do I do this?" "Triangle".... my fingers just feel smooth buttons.

Now, fast forward to the next day when I get home with my shiny new Wii and plug in the Wii Sports game featuring cartoony "childish" graphics. I click on tennis. Get absolutely no on screen instructions on how to serve, so I just make a gesture like I'm serving a ball... and guess what? It worked.

So if you ask me, Wii is the PERFECT system for older people. (I can't believe I just called myself an older person, but you get the picture.)

[BurtonCCC]

I'm 19 and I love my Wii and DS Lite. Maybe you just need to get over yourself?

Daniel.

[takao]

if you want "serious" games then don't look at consoles games.

[atszyman]

Just wait until you get a bit older. I use to feel the same way. But once you hit about 25 (I'm 27) you start to get to the point where you think "who cares, as long as its fun."
...
So if you ask me, Wii is the PERFECT system for older people. (I can't believe I just called myself an older person, but you get the picture.)

You hit the nail on the head. I'm a few years older than you and my friends and I are a more interested in the Wii at this point than any other system. We haven't actually sought a system this close to launch since we were in HS or younger. I don't care what it looks like, in fact the more realistic the graphics (especially when they try to do people) the more disconcerting it is for me. As the people in games look more and more realistic the funny quirks that they haven't quite figured out yet makes them seem creepy. This article (http://www.slate.com/id/2102086/) addresses that issue.

I have a PS2 and it mostly gets used for RPGs from Square and some retro games like the Mega Man Anniversary collection. With the Wii VC I can get replay the games of my youth and start playing with a new controller paradigm on the new stuff.

I'm actually interested to see if my wife starts to play once she sees how everything works.

[ddrueckhammer]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

I'm 25 and while you are right, the majority of Nintendo's franchises are childish. Mario and Zelda are games that I have never really grown out of. Also, Twighlight Princess is pretty tough for most kids to play (at least without cheating)...Besides Sadness, Disaster Day of Crisis, and the Resident Evil game are ones that are coming in the next year that look to have mature themes.

Also, the virtual console is aimed directly at adult gamers like me who remember playing the original LoZ and want to play it again. What kid is gonna want to play an 8-bit game that is so difficult? I doubt many...

Finally, the Wii is cool to me because I might actually get my girlfriend to join in playing games which is a major advantage over the other consoles.

[sikkinixx]

For instance, this weekend I went to my brother's house and my nephew made me play against him in a PS2 game, Star Wars Battlefront. First of all, I couldn't grasp the 2 joysticks to make the guy move. I would want to go forward and would end up looking at my feet. Then when it came time to shoot I ask what button did it and he responded "L2!"... L2? wtf? "How do I work this turret?" "X!" "How do I do this?" "Triangle".... my fingers just feel smooth buttons.


Not ripping you or anything but have you played a lot of games in the past few years? the PS controller has remained basically the same since 1995, which is basically the same as the SNES (save one extra shoulder button) since 1990 (thats when SNES came out no?). What happened to you is what generally happens to people who have never played video games before. Although the two joystick things causes a lot of people trouble (maybe they are PC gamers)

I do agree that Wii Sports is very easy to understand (although golf has crappy sensitivity), I was kicking ass at tennis withing 5 minutes.

[quigleybc]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

You invited all the above flames. But I'll step up and agree. I don't care how fun the games are, they're games they should be fun. Why does Nintendo feel the need to stick with this baby vibe. I love Nintendo, and eventually I'll get a Wii once this hype has died down. But I hear you, I posted a while back how I was annoyed about how N seems to rehash old ideas like Duckhunt and Mario....and got flamed for about two pages...lol....But I feel what you're saying. Flame away ....

[Sky Blue]

Anything Wii (Zelda included)



oh noes you didn't.

[Dagless]

I'm 20 and cannot wait for the new Pokemon DS game to hit English shores, I don't care what they are. Cartoons, "childish" games etc. I hate Scooby Doo, The Simpsons, rubbish like that. But I bloody love Akira and Studio Ghibli stuff because the stories are fantasic (and in Ghibli) full of charm.

Games = gameplay
Cartoons = story.

If the above media have quality I will play/watch/whatever.

ps. Why has Advance Wars got to have super serious people? You do know that Aria of Sorrow (GBA) sold terrible compared to Dawn of Sorrow (DS), they changed the art style to appear to a wider audience and it made them more money. Makes sense to me.

[sikkinixx]

I hate Scooby Doo, The Simpsons, rubbish like that.


:eek: What the hell did Shaggy ever do you do? ;)

And you dont like the Simpons?! even the old, good ones?! :(

[bousozoku]

If you don't like those sorts of games, why buy them or play them?

Nintendo affiliates have other games that work on the hardware. It's easy enough to choose something different.

I still don't see the need for the Need for Speed series but I'm sure someone likes it.

[fall3n]

Nintendo has always been focused towards less mature rated games. As for difficult controlers, how the heck is a ps3, even xbox, controller so hugely diffucult?

[topgun072003]

Flamebait alert!

So you want more buttons on your controller and games with rapists, thugs, and cop killers? Theres a good mix of games targeted toward "mature" audiences, so I don't get your beef? Personally, I'd rather have fun playing a game then struggling with the controls (ala xbox/ps3).

The controls aren't THAT hard to get used to on the xbox or the ps3. Once you play them for a while, your hands will mold around the controllers...making them one with your body. (Warning: This could lead to "no life" syndrome)

[SamIchi]

You can feel however you want about it but as long as Nintendo still creates aweseome games I don't care if it's cartoony lookin' (which I prefer), or realistic. I'm 22 and I've always condsidered the cartoony and un-realistic games, more creative and fun, Isn't that what videogames are about?

"hardcore" and "mature" is the definition of irony in the land of videogame consumers. Go play original NES games and conquer them, than you can say you are hardcore. Go play the plentiful array of cartoony lookin' games on any system and not care what others think, that is mature.

[Dagless]

Aren't that hard to get used to?

I've been a gamer all my life, but when I was on the PS2 and I asked "how do i do X move?" "oh use the right shoulder button" "WHICH ONE?!".
I like how Nintendo tried to add simplicity to their GC controller, a main face button, the traditional B button and then an above and right X and Y button. instead of the featureless "diamond", made worse by Japanese games swopping X and O around for "agree" in menus.

My mum had a play on Red Steel today. Got the controls in a minute. Even hours into Halo I would still forget the controls.

[takao]

The controls aren't THAT hard to get used to on the xbox or the ps3. Once you play them for a while, your hands will mold around the controllers...making them one with your body. (Warning: This could lead to "no life" syndrome)

neither are PC games very difficult (shooters are still easier on PC no matter how hard consoleros beat the "easy controller" drums)

i still have problems finding buttons on the ps2 controller because they didn't use the alphabet
except the triangle which i simply know thanks to soul calibur: where with Raphael you always end up spamming those god damn triangles over and over again

[Malus]

Zelda is rated teen...how is it childish? Personally being 19 years old, I thought it was creepy when Link's eyes turned all white and he started to scream at one point early into the game.

Red Steel isnt a childish game...it has guns.


Why does a game have to have strippers, murderers, and intense gore for you to have fun with it? I seriously have doubts on todays society and the direction we are going now adays.

[thegreatunknown]

I have so many comments to say but luckily I read another forum before responding so all I have to say is that this is why I'm 26 and I'd rather play with Nintendo:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2964751562925463883

[BoyBach]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old...

...I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10.


A simple solution: grow up.

I don't mean that in a malicious or disrespectful way, but absolutely seriously. Do you 'play games' for 'fun' or for another reason?

[NewbieNerd]

Do you 'play games' for 'fun' or for another reason?

First off, less-childish games doesn't mean it has to be like GTA...it could be like my preferred series, Final Fantasy. I personally enjoy games that are often like books or movies... I wouldn't say that I'm enjoying them because they are "fun" but because the story is great and there is a sense of suspense and mystery, as well as personal attachment to the characters (please don't go off on this, it's the same for most people who read books and watch movies even though the events are usually completely fictional). If these games, even though I enjoy the gameplay, had really cartoony characters it would make a difference because I would certainly feel much less attachment to the characters and their struggles. I don't think this reason is ridiculous.

[Dagless]

Don't play Windwaker then. That was celebrated that, even with it's cartoon cel-shaded graphics it had the best expressions seen (at the time?).

I was more attached to Windwaker Link than Ocarina Link. Though I do like Ocarina better, forgetting attachement and all that - it was simply a grander and more powerful game.

[takao]

If these games, even though I enjoy the gameplay, had really cartoony characters it would make a difference because I would certainly feel much less attachment to the characters and their struggles. I don't think this reason is ridiculous.

you mean this final fantasy ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ff5psxbox.jpg

;)

(i normally find J-RPGs simply way too annoying with it's annoying clichés & endless sequences and dialogs ... i never finished a single one of them)

edit: about feeling attached + serious games
try Silent Storm ... one of the most overlooked games of the past 5 years

[BoyBach]

First off, less-childish games doesn't mean it has to be like GTA...it could be like my preferred series, Final Fantasy. I personally enjoy games that are often like books or movies... I wouldn't say that I'm enjoying them because they are "fun" but because the story is great and there is a sense of suspense and mystery, as well as personal attachment to the characters (please don't go off on this, it's the same for most people who read books and watch movies even though the events are usually completely fictional). If these games, even though I enjoy the gameplay, had really cartoony characters it would make a difference because I would certainly feel much less attachment to the characters and their struggles. I don't think this reason is ridiculous.


I agree with you 100 per cent.

The terms 'childish' and 'mature' need to be defined beyond a simple graphical representation of something: blood and guts, tits and arse, guns and fighting are not 'mature', in the same way super-deformed characters and talking animals are not 'childish.'

Is Mortal Kombat 'mature' because of it's violence and blood? Or is it as shallow as puddle? Call of Duty, with it's high definition graphics and explosive sound effects creates a formidable, almost draining, atmosphere, but how can it be 'mature' when it's warfare is entirely sanitised.

Likewise, was the story of Final Fantasy VII any less engaging or the death of Aeris any less emotional because of the games 'childish' graphical representation of it's world?

Before we can call a game 'mature' or 'childish', surely we must decide what these words mean and on what terms they are used?

[JackAxe]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

This post strikes me as your way of making a passive aggressive attack against Nintendo, but avoid being labeled flamebeit to use Slashdot's term. All it has done, is shown your ignorance. It's like me saying I love my X360, but hate sports games, because they're too violent.

So now that you're only 22, you've somehow matured beyond what's fun. :rolleyes: You should note that you posted a topic about video games, which by many adult's standards are for kids, and yet you asked to be taken serious.

<]=)

[mlrproducts]

You're right, the Wii is completely childish. I will gladly take it off your hands for say $275. Feel free to PM me ANYTIME!!!!

[RustyM]

You guys are going a bit overboard with GTA references. Not every mature game has hookers and reward you for mass murder. :)

I got a Wii on launch day and was also a little disappointed with the beginning of Zelda. The early characters were plain and uninteresting. After rescuing a baby basket from a cute (and annoying) monkey, I sold the system on craig's list. The Wii left my hands 13 hours after picking it up.

I'm sure the game would have gotten better, as I've heard only great things, but my roommate wanted to split the cost of a 360 and we both HATED the multiplayer in Red Steel. (GoW was awesome!)

I'll defiantly play Zelda next year, for my little brothers are getting one for christmas :rolleyes:

[seenew]

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

I don't see any 10-year olds beating Zelda very easily.
I don't really see anything childish at all about Zelda.
Have you even played it? Past the first few dungeons?

[JackAxe]

So you didn't even get past the village and sold your system. You don't have any patients do you?

Zelda doesn't pick up until after the actually story begins. The first village is basically the tutroial stage. So your opnion of Zelda Wii is gauged from complete inexperience. So would you say a game like GTA is more to your liking? something you can pick up and start bashing around in no time; Mindless mayhem is certainly fun. ;)

<]=)

[NewSc2]

DS: Phoenix Wright, Metroid Prime Hunters, Trauma Center, Final Fantasy III (kinda kiddish, but more old school for me). They even have Age of Empires and a few other games.

There are a LOT of kiddish games for Nintendo systems, but if you dig deep enough you find a lot of more adult-oriented games.

[21stcenturykid]

maybe some of nintendos games are a little childish but i havent even got mine yet and one thing i know is my dad HATES consoles with a passion, he still may kill me for buying a Wii, but i know that when i take it home from Uni this christmas he will love playing on it! hes 45 for petes sake! and if you think zelda or suchlike are childish games then buy Call of Duty or Red Steel? are they not adult orientated enough? Give the games companies some time to bring some new games out and you might get something you liek aswel you dont have to buy a Wii imediately do you??;)

[Xenesis]

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Oh dearie dearie me. Andy and Colin would possibly be the only two COs who could really pass as too young. As for Jake, blame Nintendo of America (They're responsible for his hilarious yet ridiculous dialogue). Advance Wars games have always been a bit thin on the plot, as that was never really their purpose.

And of course the enemies are very comic book. Did you ever play AW1? The game was designed to have a very Animé look and feel, which has been made less anime over the course of the series. Advance Wars is a light hearted upbeat wargame and I wouldn't have it any other way. There's a reason that I run a fansite based on the game.

[RustyM]

So you didn't even get past the village and sold your system. You don't have any patients do you?

Mainly, I didn't have the time to commit to it. Currently, I have a movie (http://www.thefinalshowdown.net) to finish by December 29th. :D I'm still looking forward to the experience next year when I borrow my brother's machine :rolleyes:


Zelda doesn't pick up until after the actually story begins. The first village is basically the tutroial stage. So your opnion of Zelda Wii is gauged from complete inexperience.

Your right. I've heard only great things about the gameplay, puzzles and story. However, I found the beginning to be slow and lame. My great books have slow beginnings; perhaps this is the case here.

[Dagless]

Mainly, I didn't have the time to commit to it. Currently, I have a movie (http://www.thefinalshowdown.net) to finish by December 29th. :D I'm still looking forward to the experience next year when I borrow my brother's machine :rolleyes:

Tch, you have an amateur film to edit, I have a frikkin TV show to write for the BBC! And my final year of university! And an independant game to develop and release! And a website to make for a model! And the dogs need a walk too!

:p

I still find time for gaming in the nights ;)

[afornander]

nintendo has made a lot more statements about getting more teen-mature games. COD3, Zelda, Redsteall and more to come.:D

[bobber205]

I have so many comments to say but luckily I read another forum before responding so all I have to say is that this is why I'm 26 and I'd rather play with Nintendo:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2964751562925463883

OMG! This has been posted again! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[zap2]

Well I made this list for a thread a while ago, but I'll repost it.




Alive is an upcoming Action/Survival video game by Ubisoft. The only known story details are that it takes place after an earthquake and that the player cannot resolve things just by shooting.

Sadness
Sadness is an upcoming video game for Nintendo's Wii by Polish video game developer Nibris. According to Nibris head Piotr Orlovsky said, "The scenario will have associations with narcolepsy, nyctophobia and paranoid schizophrenia. The scenario will surprise you." According to a Nibris press release, the action of Sadness will be placed before World War I in a Slavic country. Various methods of playing include slitting the throat of enemies with glass or throwing a rope over a wall using the similar motion with the freehand controller

According to NIBRIS, this game is only for adult players with strong nerves.
Contents

Darkness
You play as the potential savior of mankind in a world overrun by vampires. After facing defeat against the vampires, humans now hide in the sewers. Using your sword, martial arts abilities, and new people found along the way you try to save mankind while learning about your estranged father and the secrets within you.

Disaster: Day of Crisis
Far Cry: Vengeance
The Godfather: The Game
Heroes
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
NASCAR 07
NBA Live 07
NCAA Football 07
Need for Speed: Carbon
Necro-Nesia
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Red Steel
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles


And thats only up until 07 for the game that are publicly known. Its possible we will get more, also the list is a little over a month old so some new "mature games " may have been told about to the public.

[apfhex]

You don't have any patients do you?
Are you implying that he's an unemployed doctor? :p He doesn't have any patience. ;)

I don't actually see any Wii games so far that stand out as particularly childish. No, we don't have anything like Gears of War, or God of War for that matter. But what's wrong with Wii Sports, Red Steel, Excite Truck, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Twilight Princess, etc? To me they could be fun for people of any age (of course, minimum age restrictions apply... unlikely a 10 year old would be playing Red Steel). And what about games like Resident Evil? Sadness? Disaster: Day of Crisis?

I'm 22 too and I don't feel like I'm playing something designed only for a kid. Video games are meant to be fun, regardless of the content. I also have a blast with the DS and games like Tetris, Castlevania (any of them), Mario Kart, Mario & Luigi, etc. Some of the best stuff I've ever played has been for GBA, DS, GC, and probably Wii in the future.

[JackAxe]

Mainly, I didn't have the time to commit to it. Currently, I have a movie (http://www.thefinalshowdown.net) to finish by December 29th. :D I'm still looking forward to the experience next year when I borrow my brother's machine :rolleyes:



Your right. I've heard only great things about the gameplay, puzzles and story. However, I found the beginning to be slow and lame. My great books have slow beginnings; perhaps this is the case here.

Always something that has to be done. My friend got a film deal 2 years ago, he's still waiting for them to approve the budget. Was that a nerf canon?

The village really doesn't take that long in Zelda. If you would've played for about another half hour, you would've probably been sucked in like so many of us.

I'm guilty of prematurely quitting one of the greatest games to date IMO, and that was System Shock. The only reason I gave it aonther try, was because it was the first SVGA release of its type. So I'm also guilty of being a graphic whore. Its beginning was slow and even lame, but once I got past the first level, the game sucked me in. I have yet to see anything rival its overall emersivness and level of gameplay. Looking Glass was a true pioneer. SS2 and the later games that were made by the peep that worked on SS, were all watered down fluff in comparison.

I've been running my own business for 5 years now, and I generally work 14+ hour days, and I'm finding time to play it. It's worth an extra hour or 2 less of sleep each nite. :p

<]=)

I would doubt it, unless he's a doctor. :p He doesn't have any patience. ;)

I don't actually see any Wii games so far that stand out as particularly childish. No, we don't have anything like Gears of War, or God of War for that matter. But what's wrong with Wii Sports, Red Steel, Excite Truck, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Twilight Princess, etc? To me they could be fun for people of any age (of course, minimum age restrictions apply... unlikely a 10 year old would be playing Red Steel). And what about games like Resident Evil? Sadness? Disaster: Day of Crisis?

I'm 22 too and I don't feel like I'm playing something designed only for a kid. Video games are meant to be fun, regardless of the content. I also have a blast with the DS and games like Tetris, Castlevania (any of them), Mario Kart, Mario & Luigi, etc. Some of the best stuff I've ever played has been for GBA, DS, GC, and probably Wii in the future.

It was a pun. :D *hides*

Freaking Mario Kart DS ate up about 200 hours of my life. What a great game. :)

<]=)

[viccles]

I don't see Nintendo as childish but for some reason its seen as childish by others. I went the xbox over the wii because of a few games I wanted to play plus I love to smash controllers but I can see the wii being very appealing to a wide audience young and old

[paintballer]

I was worried about this too when I was deciding whether or not to get the Wii. But Nintendo seems to be trying to get away from that and make it appealing to a wide array of people. And the motion sensing is so damn sweet I just couldn't resist it. So just hope the Wii doesn't turn out anything like the GC or I will probably end up giving it away to someone just like I did with my GC.

[Lixivial]

The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary?

Perhaps an analogy? You're posting this on a Macintosh forum, to which the site is devoted to a company whose philosophy is to do exactly what you're saying. Why are you using a Macintosh? I hope it's not to be "different," but rather about the experience. If you want 'help,' it is to say that if the machine (DS or Wii) does not provide the experience you desire, then you shouldn't use it.

And, finally, I have a generalized opinion on the issue. Not speaking at you specifically as you don't seem the type, but I find those who say "Nintendo is kiddy" are those themselves too childish for Nintendo and not the other way around. Gaming shouldn't be about image, it should be about having fun.

[zflauaus]

I have a GameCube and a DS Lite and I couldn't be happier with my choices. I'm 15, and I think I'm the only one that I know of that has a GameCube and has never sold it. I know only one other classmate that has a DS and she lets her younger brother play it. Granted, I do have an XBox, but now that I have a DS, the DS has seen more online time than the XBox lately, and I don't regret it. There is just something that won't tear me away from Nintendo, whether it be the nostalgic feeling or the great games that are available for it. I just love it.

I for one have played GTA for about 30 minutes TOTAL and that was at a friends house. Yeah, it's kinda cool, but Mario Kart DS and Double Dash can provide much more fun in about 15 minutes.

Nintendo will live on. The Revolution Will be Played.

Freaking Mario Kart DS ate up about 200 hours of my life. What a great game. :)


<]=)
How do you find how much time you've spent playing Mario Kart DS? :P

[Spartacus]

Hey folks. I just got back from work and Holy Nintendo you all are passionate about this issue!

A few comments in response:

Why is everyone so worked up about it :p

I never used the words 'mature' 'adult' or (my favorite tangent from the OP) 'realistic'. I said SERIOUS. Serious does not automatically mean adding sex, drugs, and violence to a game. That's what you said not me :) Serious means ditching the cutesy cartoonish stuff and adding normal looking humans and believable dialogue. I'm just tired of having to talk to monkeys for clues and listening to my Commanding Officer respond with "Word, yo!" after defeating a one-eyed blob in battle.

The GTA series is a terrible terrible franchise. A game does not need rapists, drugs, or prostitutes to be considered serious.

Choosing a Nintendo game is like going to the theater and having Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and Beauty and the Beast to choose from. Sure, they are great movies, but what about everything else? (Do I need to explain this further, because I feel like you all think I'm a terrible person and I just got attacked by Al Gore's wife.)

Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)

[eva01]

Comic Book villains are a bad thing? Well i need to make sure to stop playing any comic game, even thou I am really awaiting the next X-Men Legends.

Or Teen Titans, or hell even the next Puffy AmiYumi game for the DS

crap all the games I own basically are centered around comics or sports. Heaven forbid me for being 21 as well T_T *cry* I guess I am just useless

[Mav451]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish.

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

This thread was over when RE4 was originally released as a GC exclusive. That's right, a Resident Evil game that was original intended as a Nintendo GC exclusive. You could, of course, get the washed out + dumbed-down version on the PS2 though.

[JackAxe]

I have a GameCube and a DS Lite and I couldn't be happier with my choices. I'm 15, and I think I'm the only one that I know of that has a GameCube and has never sold it. I know only one other classmate that has a DS and she lets her younger brother play it. Granted, I do have an XBox, but now that I have a DS, the DS has seen more online time than the XBox lately, and I don't regret it. There is just something that won't tear me away from Nintendo, whether it be the nostalgic feeling or the great games that are available for it. I just love it.

I for one have played GTA for about 30 minutes TOTAL and that was at a friends house. Yeah, it's kinda cool, but Mario Kart DS and Double Dash can provide much more fun in about 15 minutes.

Nintendo will live on. The Revolution Will be Played.

How do you find how much time you've spent playing Mario Kart DS? :P

It just feels like 200 hours, I'm not sure excacly how many hours total I put into it with friends, probalby only about 80 hours. :o It was every other night from about 11 until sometimes 2, and then quite a bit of time on Saturday. This went on for a couple of months. And there was also the time I spent unlocking all of the tracks, carts and so on. Loads of fun. I enjoyed the DS version much more so than the Cube version, mainly because it was a mix of all of the previous versions. :)

<]=)

[GFLPraxis]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

Frankly, I think that people that complain about things being "childish" need to work out their 'maturity' issues. People who are truly mature don't care.

The maturity thing is completely backwards. I know more kids that play GTA than adults, and I know more adults that watch cartoons than teens. Nothing is wrong with something having a somewhat childish appearance if it is not dumbed down at all. You may consider the appearance to be that, but the gameplay and content is unaffected. Did you watch the movie Cars?

And if you think Zelda: Twilight Princess is childish, you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Try playing the game. It's rated T, for good reason. And it's rather dark and gloomy.

[hegor]

I suggest you email Rockstar to make GTA for the Wii. Perhaps you could use the Wiimote to bash someones brains in.

Serioulsy, EA is porting The Godfater to the Wii.

[GFLPraxis]

I'm guilty of prematurely quitting one of the greatest games to date


I did it with Metroid Prime. Rented it, took it back. Then a friend forced me to sit down with it for an hour and it sucked me in never to release me...


I got a Wii on launch day and was also a little disappointed with the beginning of Zelda. The early characters were plain and uninteresting. After rescuing a baby basket from a cute (and annoying) monkey, I sold the system on craig's list. The Wii left my hands 13 hours after picking it up.


That is so sad. You never even started the story or finished the tutorial. You never saw the Twilight Realm gobble up Hyrule about twenty minutes after the point you were at.

[LethalWolfe]

Hey folks. I just got back from work and Holy Nintendo you all are passionate about this issue!

A few comments in response:

Why is everyone so worked up about it :p

I never used the words 'mature' 'adult' or (my favorite tangent from the OP) 'realistic'. I said SERIOUS. Serious does not automatically mean adding sex, drugs, and violence to a game. That's what you said not me :) Serious means ditching the cutesy cartoonish stuff and adding normal looking humans and believable dialogue. I'm just tired of having to talk to monkeys for clues and listening to my Commanding Officer respond with "Word, yo!" after defeating a one-eyed blob in battle.

The GTA series is a terrible terrible franchise. A game does not need rapists, drugs, or prostitutes to be considered serious.

Choosing a Nintendo game is like going to the theater and having Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and Beauty and the Beast to choose from. Sure, they are great movies, but what about everything else? (Do I need to explain this further, because I feel like you all think I'm a terrible person and I just got attacked by Al Gore's wife.)

Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)

Just to limit the vagueness floating around in this thread, what are some specific games from other systems that you liked to see (or see more of) on a Nintendo console? Nintendo's "kiddy" image in part stems from the fact that they want to market themselves to people besides 14yr old boys. Nintendo has games like RE and Splinter Cell but Nintendo doesn't chose to focus solely on those types of titles. Just like the Playstation has kiddy games (Barbie Horse Adventures, Scooby-doo, Sponge Bob, etc.) but chose to primarily advertise their system to teenage boys.

As far as "realistic" goes, do sports games count? If so, you might reconsider the Wii 'cause, IMO, sports games are where the Wii is really going to shine over the other consoles.


Lethal

[greatdevourer]

The controls aren't THAT hard to get used to on the xbox or the ps3. Once you play them for a while, your hands will mold around the controllers...making them one with your body. (Warning: This could lead to "no life" syndrome) Ever seen a real non-gamer attempt dual-analogs? turn. move. turn. move. No fluidity.

I've been a gamer all my life, but when I was on the PS2 and I asked "how do i do X move?" "oh use the right shoulder button" "WHICH ONE?!".
I like how Nintendo tried to add simplicity to their GC controller, a main face button, the traditional B button and then an above and right X and Y button. instead of the featureless "diamond", made worse by Japanese games swopping X and O around for "agree" in menus. The Japanese thing is because O is the rough equivielnt of a tick in Japanese (called maru, with X being called batsu).

[ChrisBrightwell]

Ever seen a real non-gamer attempt dual-analogs? turn. move. turn. move. No fluidity.Hell -- I'm a gamer from way back (Zork, anyone?) and I still suck with dual analog controls.

[BoyBach]

Gaming shouldn't be about image, it should be about having fun.


Exactly. I think that's the problem the original poster is having.


Choosing a Nintendo game is like going to the theater and having Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and Beauty and the Beast to choose from. Sure, they are great movies, but what about everything else? (Do I need to explain this further, because I feel like you all think I'm a terrible person and I just got attacked by Al Gore's wife.)


I'll take Toy Story, Finding Nemo and The Incredibles over a lot of 'serious', 'mature' and 'adult' films. Better written, better directed and with universal storys.


Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)


Get past the 'kiddy' graphics and dialogue and Advance Wars is one the most serious and engaging games around. It's chess with an anime sheen.


Serioulsy, EA is porting The Godfater to the Wii.


Oh joy! ;)

[ictiosapiens]

First of all, how can you even put the words mature and videogames in the same sentence??? I love video games, but believe me, when I want to bring across that I'm a mature guy the last thing I mention is that I'm a video game addict!!!

To play video games is a fun but inherently childish activity, in a completely non negative way, So I don't see why so many people want "mature" games just so they don't get branded infantile... LOL...

I consider myself to be a mature guy in most things, but when it comes to videogames I'm proudly as childish as I can possibly be...

[Dagless]

Why is everyone so worked up about it :p

I never used the words 'mature' 'adult' or (my favorite tangent from the OP) 'realistic'. I said SERIOUS. Serious does not automatically mean adding sex, drugs, and violence to a game. That's what you said not me :) Serious means ditching the cutesy cartoonish stuff and adding normal looking humans and believable dialogue. I'm just tired of having to talk to monkeys for clues and listening to my Commanding Officer respond with "Word, yo!" after defeating a one-eyed blob in battle.


Here's a jolly good idea. Instead of posting something which is clearly going to get people posting, why not actually *stay* with the thread so you can guide people to what you really meant :rolleyes: Should try that next time.


Back to topic though-
The best Tony Hawk game I played was the first PS1 version. Then it went downhill. The best Tony Hawk game since, IMO was American Skateland on the DS. Why? It took the game back to its roots. It was RAW.

It's like Advance Wars. Which you clearly missed my comparisons with Castlevania's Sorrow series that completely explain the chosen art style. To do it again-

-the "darker" art of Castlevania GBA didn't pull in many players, despite it's incredible gameplay.
-the more open, cartoon style of art used in Castlevania DS (as well as cutting out the swearing) opened the game to a wider market. used the SAME gameplay AND sold MORE.

This thread is annoying now. People have tried listing games he might be interested in but his 2nd post has come off as nothing more than a re-statement of his original post, sounding like he isn't going to change or nothing will be done.
I suggest we leave him to his qualms and we can all go play our DS's and Wiis.

[mwsh2000]

The only time in my life when I really worried about being mature was when I was lacking maturity. If a game is fun, who cares what it looks like?

[jdechko]

I'll take Toy Story, Finding Nemo and The Incredibles over a lot of 'serious', 'mature' and 'adult' films. Better written, better directed and with universal storys.

Don't forget Cars. :)

I'm 24. I'll be a dad in about 2 months, and on Nov. 7th I went to Wal-Mart on my way to work in the morning to pick up a copy of Cars. Don't ever completely grow up. It's what keeps people sane.

[DavidLeblond]

Ever seen a real non-gamer attempt dual-analogs? turn. move. turn. move. No fluidity.

The Japanese thing is because O is the rough equivielnt of a tick in Japanese (called maru, with X being called batsu).

Dual analog? Real gamer?

Last I checked real gamers gamed with a keyboard and a mouse. :P

[lmalave]

you mean this final fantasy ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ff5psxbox.jpg

;)

(i normally find J-RPGs simply way too annoying with it's annoying clich&#233;s & endless sequences and dialogs ... i never finished a single one of them)

edit: about feeling attached + serious games
try Silent Storm ... one of the most overlooked games of the past 5 years

I'm in the middle of FFIII and it *does* seem childish, but only in terms of dialogue, plot, etc. as your are saying. But really, gameplay isn't fundamentally different than other turn-based old-skool RPGs for the PC like the Ultima series. In fact, I'm finding FFIII actually has quite a bit of richness compared to the old-skool Ultima-style RPGs I used to play:

- Job System: at least as many "classes" (using the standard RPG term) as any RPG I've played
- Magic system: just right amount complexity for fun game play: 3 basic types of magic spells (white, black, and summoning), 8 levels of spells, 3 spells per level.
- Combat: so simple, but actually quite fun. It really is a challenge to beat tough monsters (e.g. a boss) - you really have to use each character in your party to maximal effect, and even then sometimes you need luck.

These type of things matter more than graphics or even dialogue/plot. In fact, in order of importance I would put:

1) Gameplay
2) story/dialogue
3) graphics

In fact, I was going to get a Wii but I'm very impressed with my DS Lite. I don't really care about Graphics, and FFIII and Mario Kart DS can easily keep me occupied for the time being. My next purchases will be Advance Wars: DS and Metroid Prime: Hunters.

I can't wait for the DS "Advance" which I'll bet will come out in another 1 or two years. I'll predict that they will get a much faster CPU and emphasize online gameplay much more. You heard it here: I'll bet the next generation DS will be able to handle Massively Multiplayer games. So beyond the 4-person Mario Kart or Metroid Prime matches, I think the next generation will have the CPU power to handle something like a World of Warcraft.

World of Zelda, anyone? :D

[thegreatunknown]

Hey folks. I just got back from work and Holy Nintendo you all are passionate about this issue!

A few comments in response:

Why is everyone so worked up about it :p

I never used the words 'mature' 'adult' or (my favorite tangent from the OP) 'realistic'. I said SERIOUS. Serious does not automatically mean adding sex, drugs, and violence to a game. That's what you said not me :) Serious means ditching the cutesy cartoonish stuff and adding normal looking humans and believable dialogue. I'm just tired of having to talk to monkeys for clues and listening to my Commanding Officer respond with "Word, yo!" after defeating a one-eyed blob in battle.

The GTA series is a terrible terrible franchise. A game does not need rapists, drugs, or prostitutes to be considered serious.

Choosing a Nintendo game is like going to the theater and having Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and Beauty and the Beast to choose from. Sure, they are great movies, but what about everything else? (Do I need to explain this further, because I feel like you all think I'm a terrible person and I just got attacked by Al Gore's wife.)

Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)



what do you mean realistic? Are you referring to EA sports games where the stadiums and players look real, it simulates the game (for instance you have to worry about warming up the pitcher etc. etc.), and has absolutely impossible game play b/c of the unbelievable amount of control you have to deal with? That is why I choose nintendo... so I don't have to worry about that stuff, I just want to play.

[princealfie]

GTA gets boring after awhile.

I prefer Perfect Dark any day of the week.

[gloss]

That is so sad. You never even started the story or finished the tutorial. You never saw the Twilight Realm gobble up Hyrule about twenty minutes after the point you were at.

It does pick up, dunnit?

[ChrisK018]

Words like "serious" and "realistic" don't always mesh well with words like "games." I believe the original sub has what one might call a "conumdrum," but it also sounds like, as others have pointed out, with his needs that PC gaming* might be more his style.

I, for one, welcome the chance to save babies from those evil monkeys. My world does not come to a screeching halt when I see cartoony graphics.

*yes, I know that there are plenty of non-serious/realistic games for PCs, but I think the ratio is better.

[simontarr]

I'm 18 and have been playing games for years. (First machine was the Amiga) I'm probably in the first generation that has grown up with the 'mega controllers' with 500 buttons, which I find absolutely fine. I suppose you could consider me a 'hardcore' gamer, but I've been playing games less and less these past few years.

But I was in Game in Norwich today and they had a demo of Tennis playing. Me and a mate had a 3 match game and I have to say, it was the most fun I've had in a long time with a game. We were vollying & smashing all over the place and it was great. It made me think- games like Splinter Cell and Pro Evo just aren't fun. They are good, and I play thgem for hours, but they aren't fun. And this is where the Wii will suceed. I can see my mum and dad asking ME for a game if I get one- I can't see any 360 or PS2 game doing that....ever.

Now I've played on this machine, I HAVE to get one.

[Thanatoast]

Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)
I'm gonna have to echo others above and ask for examples. Is it just the drawing style you don't like? Advance Wars is a straight-up turn-based strategy no matter how wacky the characters are. People play it because they like turn-based strategy games, not because it's got a cutesy animation style. (Although some of those big tanks are pretty silly/fun :) )

If you don't concern yourself with the realism of the style and concentrate on the game rather than the presentation you'll have more fun. If it really bugs you, think of it as "goofy" instead of "immature".

[zflauaus]

Yes, Nintendo is fun, revolutionary, and engaging. I agree. I just wish they would give me, as a gamer in my twenties, more 'mature', 'adult', and 'realistic' games to play. :eek: :)It's called getting a job. :rolleyes:

[BoyBach]

That is so sad. You never even started the story or finished the tutorial. You never saw the Twilight Realm gobble up Hyrule about twenty minutes after the point you were at.


Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! I'm not listening! I'm not listening! La la laa la lala laa!!

It's a Christmas present and I don't want to know anything about 'it' until the 25th. ;)

[gloss]

Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! I'm not listening! I'm not listening! La la laa la lala laa!!

It's a Christmas present and I don't want to know anything about 'it' until the 25th. ;)

Don't worry, you'll know something's coming since absolutely nothing goes on for the first 30 minutes to an hour. It's like freakin' Ecco the Dolphin.

[Dagless]

I thought we all agreed on no Zelda spoilers :p I don't want to know about realms gobbling up other realms.

[Gasu E.]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

I agree. Where are all the Adult games? Like:

The Erotic Legend of Zelda
Mario/Maria
Phallic Phantasy
Poke 'er, Mon
Immoral Kumbat
de Sade the Hedgehog

[takao]

I agree. Where are all the Adult games? Like:

The Erotic Legend of Zelda
Mario/Maria
Phallic Phantasy
Poke 'er, Mon
Immoral Kumbat
de Sade the Hedgehog

brahaha löl

[GFLPraxis]

I thought we all agreed on no Zelda spoilers :p I don't want to know about realms gobbling up other realms.

Oh it's like the opening of the game. It's about the equivilant of shouting "Your sister gets kidnapped in Wind Waker!" Spoilers from 20 hours into the game (like in the other thread) are a very different thing from spoilers from the first half hour :D

[BoyBach]

Oh it's like the opening of the game. It's about the equivilant of shouting "Your sister gets kidnapped in Wind Waker!" Spoilers from 20 hours into the game (like in the other thread) are a very different thing from spoilers from the first half hour :D


What do you mean "Your sister gets kidnapped"?

Oy, GFLPraxis. Me and you. After school!

"Fight! Fight! Fight!"

;) :p

[GFLPraxis]

I'm 18 and have been playing games for years. (First machine was the Amiga) I'm probably in the first generation that has grown up with the 'mega controllers' with 500 buttons, which I find absolutely fine. I suppose you could consider me a 'hardcore' gamer, but I've been playing games less and less these past few years.

But I was in Game in Norwich today and they had a demo of Tennis playing. Me and a mate had a 3 match game and I have to say, it was the most fun I've had in a long time with a game. We were vollying & smashing all over the place and it was great. It made me think- games like Splinter Cell and Pro Evo just aren't fun. They are good, and I play thgem for hours, but they aren't fun. And this is where the Wii will suceed. I can see my mum and dad asking ME for a game if I get one- I can't see any 360 or PS2 game doing that....ever.

Now I've played on this machine, I HAVE to get one.

I'm in the same boat, man.

Same age, same situation. I've been playing on my consoles less and less over the years, the DS had me captured for a while, but the last sit-down gaming session I had was with Kingdom Hearts 2.

The Wii has got me going again :) Especially multiplayer.

[benpatient]

SQUALL is a DREAM!

and can I just say that I agree with the original poster in a lot of ways? I find myself really drawn to more "serious" types of games. Don't get me wrong, I love old-school side-scrolling platformers, and I can appreciate some of the better 3D platformers and action games from GC and N64, but I'd like an intelligent, comprehensive racing game or strategy game where I didn't have to pick a cartoon character to be and have their super-powers affect my gameplay options. I'm not talking about GTA-style crap. I'm talking about a Nintendo version of Gran Turismo or Final Fantasy VII.

Even the new DS Mario game would have been wonderful if it weren't so EASY!

Nintendo will always have a handle on the "cute" game market, and those games can be done well and be fun for "all ages" but they don't need to stay in that vein. King's Quest 5 was great fun and appealing to all ages and even though it was animated/drawn/painted, it wasn't cartoony at all. It was serious and meaningful and compelling and great.

Someone needs to fill in the huge gap in gaming that was left when companies like LucasArts and Sierra On-line stopped making adventure games. I think Nintendo could do this better than anyone else....the Wii and the DS are the perfect non-PC homes for an adventure game. Maybe even better than a PC if they're done right...

[jdechko]

What do you mean "Your sister gets kidnapped"?

Oy, GFLPraxis. Me and you. After school!

"Fight! Fight! Fight!"

;) :p

Anyway, there's an implied statute of limitations on spoiler alerts. WW is fair game. ;)

It's like me saying Vader is Luke's father.

:eek: Oh noes.

See, everyone who cares already knows.

[BoyBach]

Anyway, there's an implied statute of limitations on spoiler alerts. WW is fair game. ;)

It's like me saying Vader is Luke's father.

:eek: Oh noes.

See, everyone who cares already knows.


Next you'll be telling me how 'The Sixth Sense' ends!

Go on. I dare you!

;)

[jdechko]

Well, um, :o seeing as how I never saw Sixth Sense...

Like I said, statute of limitations :D

(And I already know the ending)

[Haoshiro]

Okay, so I'm 22 years old. I really really want to like my Wii and DS because the hardware is wonderful, but I can't get over the fact that Nintendo makes everything so damn childish. The gameplay is really great and revolutionary, yes, but is there a reason why everything has to be so simple and elementary? Recent examples that led me to this post:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (DS) - Great strategy game, but what's up with the kindergarteners as COs and comic book enemies?

Anything Wii (Zelda included)

I just want Nintendo to take me seriously as a gamer over 10. Sadness looks like the only game on the horizon that is simi-serious. Anyone agree or care to comment?

For many people, yes even adults, having a grim and/or dark presentation or art style can make a game LESS fun.

Most people don't go around beating peoples heads in, or killing people in any way let alone gruesome bloody ways to have fun... why do "adults" think they need that in a game for them to enjoy it?

People seem to have lost the concept of fun, and now equate it with "dark fantasy", such people probably just need to grow up and don't realize it.

I'm 25 and I enjoy Halo and GoW as much as the next person, but also have a lot of fun playing Chibi Robo, Super Mario, Advance Wars, Bomberman, etc... in fact, I often have more casual fun with nintendo products then the dark violent titles of other systems.

I guess some people only like ONE kind of "fun"...

[GFLPraxis]

welshandrew:
Nemo gets lost.

[JackAxe]

Someone needs to fill in the huge gap in gaming that was left when companies like LucasArts and Sierra On-line stopped making adventure games. I think Nintendo could do this better than anyone else....the Wii and the DS are the perfect non-PC homes for an adventure game. Maybe even better than a PC if they're done right...


So so true. I've been buying the Graphic Adventures for DS, mainly to support the genre. Just bought Touch Detective. It's fun, but definately no Rex Nebular when it comes to its level of writing. Lucas's GAs are my favorite type of game. I've played and beaten them all, except Grim Fandango. I've completed most Sierra games, but they were always a hit or miss for me, especially their later releases.

The Wiimote is the perfect pointer when it comes to being relaxed.

I don't agree with the original post, mainly because he's putting it all on Nintendo, when his gripes pertain to all of the systems. I viewed his post as more of a passive aggressive attack, than someone trying to start a serious discusion. Nintendo is one of the few that still focuses on quality entertainmen and gives me a reasonable challenge. I can't say that for most 3rd party developers, who are being forced by their publisher to prematurly release their teenage targeted games.

<]=)

[BoyBach]

welshandrew:
Nemo gets lost.


NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ddrueckhammer]

Someone needs to fill in the huge gap in gaming that was left when companies like LucasArts and Sierra On-line stopped making adventure games. I think Nintendo could do this better than anyone else....the Wii and the DS are the perfect non-PC homes for an adventure game. Maybe even better than a PC if they're done right...

Wow yeah a new Zork, Kings Quest, or Monkey Island Would be faboulous with the point and click interface of the Wii! I never understood why they stopped making them, it seems like the adverture genre would have benefited from the 3D revolution as much as the shooter genre. Grim Fandango being a good example. I guess me and you were the only ones buying adventure games or they would still be selling them...I sure miss games like Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis though, those were great games!