real PS3 talk here -

[mac000]

with all the bad publicity and the talk that ps3 isnt this and isn't that basically covering everything wrong with the console from ground up will lead to sony fixing all those problems people see and the ps3 should be one hell of a system.

the 360 is geared to online play and connecting with people, the wii is for getting new gamers into the mix and getting grandma to play, the ps3 will make a stance on just producing what it did and will - a great variety of great games as the ps2 did.

PS3 might have been off to a rough start, but taking it to the next level at what it had already reached with the PS2 will not happen overnite. I think everyone is really mad bc they couldn't pick up a ps3 themselves. If everyone could just go to the store and get one I think people would be ok then.

why wouldn't the ps3 be that much more better than ps2 - there is absolutley no reason. the 360 is "10x" better than the original xbox and the wii is "10x" better than the gamecube. the ps2 reigned the most entertaining console last generation, this generation it will be the most entertaining console as well, added with the new given features for the ps3 it clearly is absolute entertainment.

[Dagless]

PS3 might have been off to a rough start, but taking it to the next level at what it had already reached with the PS2 will not happen overnite. I think everyone is really mad bc they couldn't pick up a ps3 themselves. If everyone could just go to the store and get one I think people would be ok then.

So accessibility will stop all these PS3 problems? I can get one in the shop so all of a sudden the games on the system will get higher reviews and the whole system will be bug free, maybe Sony will get more Blue-Ray diodes if I buy a PS3?!

why wouldn't the ps3 be that much more better than ps2 - there is absolutley no reason. the 360 is "10x" better than the original xbox and the wii is "10x" better than the gamecube. the ps2 reigned the most entertaining console last generation, this generation it will be the most entertaining console as well, added with the new given features for the ps3 it clearly is absolute entertainment.

Most entertaining? Mate, no. dude. I never say dude so this is just how serious I'm getting. The Wii came out with demos of how it's going to be in the future. Everyone is losing their inhibitions, going all laughing and smiling and having a great time. That's entertainment, the next level of gaming entertainment? I know that my old Xbox gave me experiences like that too but the Wii seems to slap it around everywhere.

The PS3 is pumping out last gen games in HD. From the reviews I've read (system isn't out here until March 2007, worldwide launch and all) it really IS just dated gameplay in HD. Even Live! (UK mag) said that! And they're the PS3's target audience (rich, 20-30 somethings). How is that entertaining?

for anti-flamewars sake the Wii is a powered up Cube and the 360 is lacking key ingredients (bigger HD, built in WiFi etc).

I can see you're trying to make a point. The PS3 will get better no doubt about it, but have you seen what it's up against? Entertaining was the wrong word to use. Very wrong word.

[Chone]

So accessibility will stop all these PS3 problems? I can get one in the shop so all of a sudden the games on the system will get higher reviews and the whole system will be bug free, maybe Sony will get more Blue-Ray diodes if I buy a PS3?!



Most entertaining? Mate, no. dude. I never say dude so this is just how serious I'm getting. The Wii came out with demos of how it's going to be in the future. Everyone is losing their inhibitions, going all laughing and smiling and having a great time. That's entertainment, the next level of gaming entertainment? I know that my old Xbox gave me experiences like that too but the Wii seems to slap it around everywhere.

The PS3 is pumping out last gen games in HD. From the reviews I've read (system isn't out here until March 2007, worldwide launch and all) it really IS just dated gameplay in HD. Even Live! (UK mag) said that! And they're the PS3's target audience (rich, 20-30 somethings). How is that entertaining?

for anti-flamewars sake the Wii is a powered up Cube and the 360 is lacking key ingredients (bigger HD, built in WiFi etc).

I can see you're trying to make a point. The PS3 will get better no doubt about it, but have you seen what it's up against? Entertaining was the wrong word to use. Very wrong word.

I don't think that is entirely fair, what he is saying is that if availability was better than this a lot of people would be complaining less and would stop capitalizing the system's flaws which are not as bad as you put it, system bugs? I've heard very little of that, at least I haven't heard anything that is not in the range of the problems the 360 had at launch (some of which were serious) and the problems the Wii has right now (which you should know, are irrelevant), sure there are a few rough edges here and there such as no 1080i upscaling but you are being all negative here.

Then comes the bad reviews, you can't expect every game to look and be their best at launch, the launch of the 360 was shoddy as well, sure I find it extremely dissapointing every review says the framerate slows down and still doesn't look as good as on 360 but the truth is its still too early to put down PS3 as a bad console. Nintendo said the Wii was way more powerful than the Cube and yet we see some games that aren't really that much of a jump and supposedly developers should know how to develop for these architectures by now but this stuff happens, I bet, one year from now we will see some outstanding PS3 games (that might end up looking better than GoW, who knows?) and we will see some clearly superior-than-gamecube Wii games.

To avoid any confusion, what I am trying to say is a launch does not make a system, look at PS2's launch, it was crappy with a capital C, compare that to Xbox's fairly succesful launch (Halo was its defining title through the whole gen) and yet PS2 reigned supreme.

Summary: All I am saying is, its waaay too early to say anything about PS3, it has had an ok launch so far, nothing spectacular, give it a year and PS3 will show whats its (or is not) about.

[Dagless]

Oh of course, which is why all I'm saying is theory stuff and echoing what the press are saying.

To the OP - So what's the alternative now then? Rather than talk about how disasterous the launch was we're supposed to predict the future?

[xparaparafreakx]

Give it some time. Every where I go, people keep telling me to ebay my ps3 but I refuse to. I give up on trying to defend the ps3 because everyone attacks me with a gun that has a chainsaw on it or a wiimote.

[zap2]

the wii is for getting new gamers into the mix and getting grandma to play,


:rolleyes: I've been gaming for most of my live, and I'm loving my Wii, so I'm not new, and I'm a teen so I'm not grandmom.


Wii is for more then just non gamers, plenty of "hardcore gamers" have Wiis too.

[Dagless]

The hardest job the PS3 has is to convince gamers and non-gamers alike that it's more powerful than the 360. Because right now a rival machine is out for a lower price pumping out games that look better. They really have to work on that first, especially seeing it also has a larger and more varied library of games.

[zap2]

The hardest job the PS3 has is to convince gamers and non-gamers alike that it's more powerful than the 360. Because right now a rival machine is out for a lower price pumping out games that look better. They really have to work on that first, especially seeing it also has a larger and more varied library of games.

Agreed, but I think the PS3 will be able to out do 360 with graphics, after a few years. Or maybe it will be like the Saturn, powerful but to complex for many dev to really USE the PS3.

I'll give PS3 MotorSport as one NICE looking game...R:FoM is nice but I'd go with GoW over it for gameplay and graphics

[kuyu]

The hardest job the PS3 has is to convince gamers and non-gamers alike that it's more powerful than the 360. Because right now a rival machine is out for a lower price pumping out games that look better. They really have to work on that first, especially seeing it also has a larger and more varied library of games.
That's it exactly. I find myself checking for Wii's daily. I play my 360 all the time. But have absolutely no interest in the PS3. What's more, I am their target market to a T... a 20 something, single, well off technophile.

This is a serious problem for Sony. All of the guys and girls I work with are talking Wii60... Sony dropped the ball big time. All the hardcore gamers have been playing 360 for a year, all the casual gamers are going Wii (without a lot of people doing both). Sony has no market left.

[uNext]

i have all 3 systems

i use the 360 to play games (im a shooter fanatic)
i play the nintendo wii to play with my wife she loves it
and everybody that comes to my house the wii is fun period.

i use the ps3 for everything else-personally i feel like its the best htc
out there..specially with the red kawa program i have transfered 10 movies already to the harddrive (which i upgraded from 20gb to 160gb)

i plan on installing linux but will wait until later.

the ps3 to me serves the main purpose of my main digital hub
if only i knew how to create folders for my pictures i will be set.

i hate how it handles pictures i have a collection of 5000+ and scrolling through each pic would be a hassle.

overall sony ps3 is fantastic, cant wait till somebody opens it up to share files over network
now that will the cherry on top. And alose when sony allows it to use bluetooth keyboard and mouse
just wait i dont think people are putting the ps3 to its full use.

[Dagless]

It sounds like you missed out on the original Xbox. I used that as a Media Centre in what? 2002? Another thing the Xbox does cheaper.

[angelneo]

PS3 seems to be more popular among my workplace though, personally, I think it's still quite early to pass any judgement, but almost everyone here on this forum is attacking ps3 with a passion.

[BornAgainMac]

When do you think it will be possible for a normal person to walk into a store and buy a PS3 and the store is clearly advertising them for sale and you see boxes of them on display?

[MacRumorUser]

but almost everyone here on this forum is attacking ps3 with a passion.

Dont worry they attack everything on this forum section usually without rhyme or reason, including each other.

Hence a lot of the regulars simply aren't bothering coming in here anymore.

You can't argue logic with people who simply are too wrapped up in their own agenda's and constantly belittle other peoples opinions, or manufactuers hardware simply because they dont go along with their own.

I love the people on this forum who claim to be 'gamers' but are really just hypocritical fanatics with large chips on their shoulder.

There is a lot of growing up that needs to be done on this forum section, and its sad that even a poster like myself who used the be in here throughout the day, 365 days per year, trying to keep the balance and keep topics on flow simply decide enough is enough.

[Cooknn]

As an owner of a PS3 here's my perspective. I was more excited about getting an affordable Blu-Ray player than I was about gaming. At first I was very frustrated with issues related to my old 1080i rear projection TV. The PS3 was just not happy with that set when connected over component. To realize all the benefits of Blu-Ray I needed a 1080p set anyways, so I bit the bullet and bought a 46-inch Sony XBR3 LCD. The PS3 really shines with this box - for both movies and gaming. Only problem with the latter is the lack of gaming titles currently. That will correct itself over time though. For now I am totally digging the Blu-Ray experience with a subscription to Netflix and a constant flow of 1080p movies to my living room :)

[Sdashiki]

i use the ps3 for everything else-personally i feel like its the best htc
out there..specially with the red kawa program i have transfered 10 movies already to the harddrive (which i upgraded from 20gb to 160gb)

i plan on installing linux but will wait until later.

the ps3 to me serves the main purpose of my main digital hub
if only i knew how to create folders for my pictures i will be set.

i hate how it handles pictures i have a collection of 5000+ and scrolling through each pic would be a hassle.

overall sony ps3 is fantastic, cant wait till somebody opens it up to share files over network
now that will the cherry on top. And alose when sony allows it to use bluetooth keyboard and mouse
just wait i dont think people are putting the ps3 to its full use.

sounds like you want a modded original XBOX?

other than the 1080i and blu-ray, wouldnt it suffice for alot cheaper?

XBMC being a digital media program n all. :cool:

ps: whats htc?

As an owner of a PS3 here's my perspective. I was more excited about getting an affordable Blu-Ray player than I was about gaming. At first I was very frustrated with issues related to my old 1080i rear projection TV. The PS3 was just not happy with that set when connected over component. To realize all the benefits of Blu-Ray I needed a 1080p set anyways, so I bit the bullet and bought a 46-inch Sony XBR3 LCD. The PS3 really shines with this box - for both movies and gaming. Only problem with the latter is the lack of gaming titles currently. That will correct itself over time though. For now I am totally digging the Blu-Ray experience with a subscription to Netflix and a constant flow of 1080p movies to my living room :)

sounds like someone has lots and lots of spending cash! where's my xmass gift?

[sikkinixx]

As an owner of a PS3 here's my perspective. I was more excited about getting an affordable Blu-Ray player than I was about gaming. At first I was very frustrated with issues related to my old 1080i rear projection TV. The PS3 was just not happy with that set when connected over component. To realize all the benefits of Blu-Ray I needed a 1080p set anyways, so I bit the bullet and bought a 46-inch Sony XBR3 LCD. The PS3 really shines with this box - for both movies and gaming. Only problem with the latter is the lack of gaming titles currently. That will correct itself over time though. For now I am totally digging the Blu-Ray experience with a subscription to Netflix and a constant flow of 1080p movies to my living room :)

lol dude that is awesome. I totally envy you and your tv viewing :D

[Dagless]

sounds like you want a modded original XBOX?

other than the 1080i and blu-ray, wouldnt it suffice for alot cheaper?

XBMC being a digital media program n all. :cool:

Exactly. Best part about the 360 is that it plays pretty much anything, can run in HD, supports wireless controllers (browsing Quicktimes trailers using my Pocket PC infrared remote application was great) and only cost 120 quid :D which, incidentally, is less than the difference between the premium 360 and the PS3. :D

[Sdashiki]

Exactly. Best part about the 360 is that it plays pretty much anything, can run in HD, supports wireless controllers (browsing Quicktimes trailers using my Pocket PC infrared remote application was great) and only cost 120 quid :D which, incidentally, is less than the difference between the premium 360 and the PS3. :D

i said the original XBOX, not the 360.

the 360 sucks in terms of a full blown media center, as XBMC and other homebrews are missing.

[jdechko]

The way I see it, the PS3 will do very well once Sony overcomes the production problems they're having. But I really doubt that it will have the dominance that I did last gen. Overall, between all the combinations (PS3, Wii, 360, Wii60, PSWii, & whatever else you want to come up with) I think that all the systems are going to end up roughly equal in terms of sales this gen.

The games from Sony are coming; let's face it, console launches aren't the best for games, and MS will be ready for them, as they've already got a 6-7 million unit lead and a year's head start in terms of game development.

But I agree with Jimmi in that right now, without the market penetration and 2nd generation games, Sony really needs to show why it's worth the wait--cause there are those who've jumped ship on waiting for the PS3 and grabbed a 360--and re-establish itself in this generation with some of the wow-factor that won it last gen with the PS2.

[Haoshiro]

why wouldn't the ps3 be that much more better than ps2 - there is absolutley no reason. the 360 is "10x" better than the original xbox and the wii is "10x" better than the gamecube. the ps2 reigned the most entertaining console last generation, this generation it will be the most entertaining console as well, added with the new given features for the ps3 it clearly is absolute entertainment.

I think the problem with this perspective is in thinking the PS2 as a hardware system was actually that good.

It was certainly better then a PS1, and that is how Sony seems to market it's systems, in comparison to it's past systems but not relative to the market competition.

The PS1 was not all around better then the competition for the time. I'm sure this is debatable (what isn't?) But PS1 was not as powerful as the N64 for 3D graphics nor was the controller as good (originally there was no analog stick), and the Sega Saturn was better at 2D and both competitors had much stronger First-party support. What PS1 was, was the first system to market in North America with a CD-ROM.

The PS2, again, was a good upgrade to the PS2, but at the time of it's release was not clearly better then Dreamcast, once it started to mature in the software area, it had two competitors (GameCube and Xbox) that were better systems in terms of hardware. PS2 was, however, the first system to market with DVD.

Now comes the PS3, it is better then the PS2, which was the weakest of the systems last generation. Why were the PlayStations so popular (and thus "so good"?), because of popularity (brand) and because of the software library. It had the most main-stream exclusives.

But this is a different year for Sony. Their competition is strong, and being the first to market with Blu-ray isn't going to (and hasn't) give them any real advantage. Microsoft is a much stronger and smarter competitor then Sega, and Nintendo has become a stronger competitor by not trying to directly compete.

This is a different market, that is the trouble PS3 is having. They don't have a 3rd-party advantage, they don't have a 1st-party advantage, their competitors are stronger then they have ever been, they don't have a media advantage to the consumer (technology-wise, yes, but consumers don't even know they should care about Blu-ray yet, they did for CD/DVD), and Sony's brand has diminished. It's not the bugs or the availability that are really causing the PS3 troubles.

[Dagless]

This is a different market, that is the trouble PS3 is having. They don't have a 3rd-party advantage, they don't have a 1st-party advantage, their competitors are stronger then they have ever been, they don't have a media advantage to the consumer (technology-wise, yes, but consumers don't even know they should care about Blu-ray yet, they did for CD/DVD), and Sony's brand has diminished. It's not the bugs or the availability that are really causing the PS3 troubles.

Absolutely and totally correct.

[Cooknn]

Absolutely and totally correct.Glad you two agree :rolleyes: Why does it matter if the PS3 succeeds or fails? How will a "winner" even be gauged? I see all three of the current consoles doing well in the long term. Choice is good ;)

[Dagless]

Glad you two agree :rolleyes: Why does it matter if the PS3 succeeds or fails? How will a "winner" even be gauged? I see all three of the current consoles doing well in the long term. Choice is good ;)

Are you much a gamer?

If the PS3 succeeds it means developers will flock to it.
If the PS3 fails it means developers jump ship and work for other systems.

Seeing that the 360 is a cheaper system I would like the PS3 to fail, it means I can try MGS4 without having to spend an extra £530 (Ps3, game, VGA cable :cool: ).

It's all about developers. They go where money will be made.

[angelneo]

Are you much a gamer?

If the PS3 succeeds it means developers will flock to it.
If the PS3 fails it means developers jump ship and work for other systems.

Seeing that the 360 is a cheaper system I would like the PS3 to fail, it means I can try MGS4 without having to spend an extra £530 (Ps3, game, VGA cable :cool: ).

It's all about developers. They go where money will be made.
I would somewhat agreed with you that PS3 is now at a disadvantage but I do not see your logic in wanting PS3 to fail. You want PS3 to fail because you have bought 360 and want all the developers to come to 360 and abandon PS3? I always believe maintaining a healthy competition is good for the industry and having a monopoly is bad? Didn't MS taught us that with windows?

[jdechko]

It's all about developers. They go where money will be made.

Good point. Actually, it seems the developers really are the ones who drive the console sales. Case in point: Nintendo vs. Sony... some third-party devs jumped the N64 for the PlayStation (I'm looking at you, Square) and as a result, established the majority of the dominance of the PS1 (come on Nintendo would be huge if FF had remained on Nintendo systems) and continued over to the PS2. Nintendo had a lot to do with Square's defection (if you will) in that they chose to stick with the more expensive cartridge format. In fact, although the 64 had more powerful hardware, it also cost more to develop for (hmmm, sounds familiar).

Don't get me wrong... the PS3 will still sell very well because of some games, but I don't think they're going to blow the competition away again like they did the last gen (what like ~70% of the console market).

[Cooknn]

Are you much a gamer?
<snip>
It's all about developers. They go where money will be made.I'm a gamer, but not so much with consoles of the past. I do racing sim's. I was big into it back when I had a PC about 4 years ago. Very much looking forward to F1 Championship Edition for the PS3 - which is developed by Sony, so I guess I'm safe ;)

[Haoshiro]

I would somewhat agreed with you that PS3 is now at a disadvantage but I do not see your logic in wanting PS3 to fail. You want PS3 to fail because you have bought 360 and want all the developers to come to 360 and abandon PS3? I always believe maintaining a healthy competition is good for the industry and having a monopoly is bad? Didn't MS taught us that with windows?

I don't think that is the point.

The idea is that if the PS3 were to not exist, all the games people like that are or will be available for it exclusively would still exist, only on other platforms.... more affordable platforms.

We like to say competitions is good for consumers, and drives down prices... yet PS3 flies in the face of that... releasing in tougher competition at a HIGHER price.

Plus, if developers were to focus efforts on 1 platform instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3, the end product would be cheaper to produce and/or better quality.

It's not really a "hate" for PS3, but an alternate perspective on how things could be without it. People would play Halo, Gears of War, Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, etc all on the same platform. And at this point the 360 is the better choice, it's more mature, has a strong online network, more affordable, easier to develop for, etc. In a sense, the 360 was created by a software company, which is more attractive to developers anyway.

[BoyBach]

i use the ps3 for everything else-personally i feel like its the best htc
out there..specially with the red kawa program i have transfered 10 movies already to the harddrive (which i upgraded from 20gb to 160gb)

i plan on installing linux but will wait until later.

the ps3 to me serves the main purpose of my main digital hub
if only i knew how to create folders for my pictures i will be set.

i hate how it handles pictures i have a collection of 5000+ and scrolling through each pic would be a hassle.

overall sony ps3 is fantastic, cant wait till somebody opens it up to share files over network
now that will the cherry on top. And alose when sony allows it to use bluetooth keyboard and mouse
just wait i dont think people are putting the ps3 to its full use.


Upgrading the hard-drive, installing an OS, creating folders, waiting for keyboard and mouse support?

It seems to me that you're describing a PC, not a games console! :p

[Sdashiki]

PSX - did well cuz it used CDs and was OOOOH n AHHHH with FMV

PS2 - did well cuz it used DVDs and was cheaper than a standalone player, at the time. This is THE single LARGEST reason the PS2 did as well as it did

PS3 - will NOT have the same success as the PS2 because it is trying to work on the same principle as the PS2 in being cheaper than a standalone media player, but the simple fact is that NOT EVERYONE HAS BLU RAY, nor is it even close to being around the "ramping up" time as DVDs were during the PS2 debut.


hence, there is no way the PS3 will sell as well as the PS2, eventhough Sony THINKS the same pattern will present itself.

it wont, because people are confused.

[SpankyPenzaanz]

With the varying arguements about formats(bd,hddvd,dvd,etc.), the recent advancements made in flash based hard drives and prices of flash drives becoming cheaper and cheaper...are we eventually goign to return to a cartirdge format?

[Haoshiro]

With the varying arguements about formats(bd,hddvd,dvd,etc.), the recent advancements made in flash based hard drives and prices of flash drives becoming cheaper and cheaper...are we eventually goign to return to a cartirdge format?

I sure hope so!

[Sdashiki]

that would make 100% total sense, but not at least for another generation or two of consoles.

[MacRumorUser]

With the varying arguements about formats(bd,hddvd,dvd,etc.), the recent advancements made in flash based hard drives and prices of flash drives becoming cheaper and cheaper...are we eventually goign to return to a cartirdge format?

they are becoming cheaper and cheaper but are still 10x the cost to maufactuer a bluray disc and 20x the cost of a dvd..

Until the price drops completely it wont replace them.

[madmax_2069]

The hardest job the PS3 has is to convince gamers and non-gamers alike that it's more powerful than the 360. Because right now a rival machine is out for a lower price pumping out games that look better. They really have to work on that first, especially seeing it also has a larger and more varied library of games.

more power dont make a system, gameplay makes the game which makes the system. the Wii could come out with a game that will make it stand out from the 360 or the PS3 and the same can be said about the other systems. im shure there will be games like that for all 3 systems. just cause the game looks better then a enzo dont mean it will be a good game. this war will be a good one to watch. the Wii has a advantage over the other 2 cause of the price range. there are allot of people that cant afford a 360 let alone the PS3. so the next best thing to get is the Wii and most people will be just as happy with it cause look at what its capable of.

yea the PS3 has the ability to become a great system but so dont the other 2. the deciding factor will be what system offers games with the better gameplay not just raw power. look at the xbox it owned the PS2 in every way in power but the PS2 won out cause of its game selection. the dreamcast was even more powerfull (but not by much) that the PS2 but it didnt have the game selection (not enuff good developers like EA or square and others) and the hype of the PS2 killed the dreamcast and the fact the PS2 could play dvd's. so power dont alway's win out

[Haoshiro]

more power dont make a system, gameplay makes the game which makes the system. the Wii could come out with a game that will make it stand out from the 360 or the PS3 and the same can be said about the other systems. im shure there will be games like that for all 3 systems. just cause the game looks better then a enzo dont mean it will be a good game. this war will be a good one to watch. the Wii has a advantage over the other 2 cause of the price range. there are allot of people that cant afford a 360 let alone the PS3. so the next best thing to get is the Wii and most people will be just as happy with it cause look at what its capable of.

yea the PS3 has the ability to become a great system but so dont the other 2. the deciding factor will be what system offers games with the better gameplay not just raw power. look at the xbox it owned the PS2 in every way in power but the PS2 won out cause of its game selection. the dreamcast was even more powerfull (but not by much) that the PS2 but it didnt have the game selection (not enuff good developers like EA or square and others) and the hype of the PS2 killed the dreamcast and the fact the PS2 could play dvd's. so power dont alway's win out

I don't even think it comes down to better games in many cases.

Sometimes I really think it's more about brand and popularity then anything else. Which brand is more popular? That seems to matter a lot. It's the same thing with clothing, many popular brands and generic brands alike get their product from the same factory, the "name" brand just has a different tag and is therefor sold at a higher price. This shows that people are obsessed with what is popular.

Consider the PS1, the N64 had better games in many areas. Neither Crash Bandicoot nor Spyro were better then Super Mario 64. Yes they had Square games, but were any so critically acclaimed as Zelda: Ocarina of Time? Was there a shooter better remembered then Goldeneye? PS1 certainly had Quantity, but Quality was not one of it's merits (not to mention the hardware, I had to keep mine upside-down for it to work).

The Sony brand and the PlayStation brand were simply more popular, Sony likes to make there products a status symbol, almost everyone perceives their products as a much higher quality then they actually are. Have you seen there PSP accessory collection? They have alligator skin cases that cost more then the system!

[pionata]

Whowho! Managed to reserve a PS3 in the poorest neiberhood of the city. They are supposed to receive 3 today, and Im No.2 to reserve...

Yeah, there is not much game yet, but in 6 months it will kick ass. I guess I'll pick up X-men, Resistance and buy Lemmings online (only 2.99$) until the second game wave comes in.

Finally, gosh I had given up, but I just tried one last time, called all around town and the 10th shop offered to reserve one...

[Mac Rules]

PSX - did well cuz it used CDs and was OOOOH n AHHHH with FMV

PS2 - did well cuz it used DVDs and was cheaper than a standalone player, at the time. This is THE single LARGEST reason the PS2 did as well as it did

PS3 - will NOT have the same success as the PS2 because it is trying to work on the same principle as the PS2 in being cheaper than a standalone media player, but the simple fact is that NOT EVERYONE HAS BLU RAY, nor is it even close to being around the "ramping up" time as DVDs were during the PS2 debut.




But forgive me if I'm wrong, but when the PS2 came out, not everybody had DVD players? So based on your logic that the only reason that the PS2 sold well was due to the DVD player, the PS3 should do very nicely indeed..

[Haoshiro]

But forgive me if I'm wrong, but when the PS2 came out, not everybody had DVD players? So based on your logic that the only reason that the PS2 sold well was due to the DVD player, the PS3 should do very nicely indeed..

Except that CD and DVD were pretty much uncontested. Sure there were some other formats, but none were a serious contender. Just look at other forum threads about this and you'll find lots of reasons why Blu-ray just isn't the same. It doesn't offer consumers an easier way to watch movies, the quality difference isn't great enough to be a huge difference to general consumers.

HD-DVD is actually a better brand, and brand sells above all... it's more digestible for consumers, easier to understand. Although most probably still won't care. They'll get a bigger "upgrade" in their video quality by getting an HDTV - from their current DVD movies! Going to HD-DVD/Blu-ray after that isn't going to be that big a deal. Besides, the farther you are from the screen the less noticable minor details are, and that is what HD res gives you... more detail.

[NewbieNerd]

I don't think that is the point.

The idea is that if the PS3 were to not exist, all the games people like that are or will be available for it exclusively would still exist, only on other platforms.... more affordable platforms.

We like to say competitions is good for consumers, and drives down prices... yet PS3 flies in the face of that... releasing in tougher competition at a HIGHER price.

Plus, if developers were to focus efforts on 1 platform instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3, the end product would be cheaper to produce and/or better quality.


But you're arguing about competition in different fields: hardware and software. Yes, it would be easier for developers if there were only one platform to develop for, and probably the games would be better than they are now, but only if the hardware were the exact same as today with three heavily competing hardware companies, which it wouldn't be if there were fewer. Obviously with only one platform out there, that company wouldn't have to work nearly as hard and could jack up their prices because they are the only platform in town. Bad. And even if there were only two, say Nintendo and Microsoft, they perhaps would just be perfectly content with their niches: Nintendo with the relatively innovative but fairly less performance-wise, and MS the other side of the coin, but each would only be fighting one other platform instead of two, so they would both by default probably have larger markets while not having to put as much effort into their systems. This would be true for MS especially because they wouldn't push for the 1080p since Sony has so hyped their 1080p, XBL because they know Sony is really going to make an effort with their online capabilities, or having the HD-DVD add-on for $200 bucks b/c Sony hypes their included Blu-ray player. And all that talk between the 360 vs PS3 makes the Wii have to be that much more innovative to stand out.

So think what you want about Sony and the PS3, but there is no doubt that Wii fans and Xbox360 fans are better off with the PS3's existence, unless they want Final Fantasy... ;)

[Haoshiro]

But you're arguing about competition in different fields: hardware and software. Yes, it would be easier for developers if there were only one platform to develop for, and probably the games would be better than they are now, but only if the hardware were the exact same as today with three heavily competing hardware companies, which it wouldn't be if there were fewer. Obviously with only one platform out there, that company wouldn't have to work nearly as hard and could jack up their prices because they are the only platform in town. Bad. And even if there were only two, say Nintendo and Microsoft, they perhaps would just be perfectly content with their niches: Nintendo with the relatively innovative but fairly less performance-wise, and MS the other side of the coin, but each would only be fighting one other platform instead of two, so they would both by default probably have larger markets while not having to put as much effort into their systems. This would be true for MS especially because they wouldn't push for the 1080p since Sony has so hyped their 1080p, XBL because they know Sony is really going to make an effort with their online capabilities, or having the HD-DVD add-on for $200 bucks b/c Sony hypes their included Blu-ray player. And all that talk between the 360 vs PS3 makes the Wii have to be that much more innovative to stand out.

So think what you want about Sony and the PS3, but there is no doubt that Wii fans and Xbox360 fans are better off with the PS3's existence, unless they want Final Fantasy... ;)

I understand your points, but I don't think the perspective is relative to the current market. I don't think either jimmi nor myself are suggesting history be rewritten. Xbox 360 is what it is from competition, needing to break into the market, but also because it had to convince the consumer it was worth buying. That reason will still encourage companies to work for your dollar.

The thing is, there doesn't need to be three competitors. Throught console gaming history there was usually only 2 actual contenders. Atari came on, the Nintendo, then Sega came but as that happened Atari died out. Then Sony came along and Sega died out. Nintendo has proven itself the strong contender. Now Microsoft has entered the picture, Sony isn't really necessary any longer.

With only two systems, the market share would be more evenly distributed, making both brands stronger and more cash in their hands would equal more competition.

Now if we were to consider that both companies kept to themselves, equal shares of the market. The hardware race would probably slow down, which would put focus on Software (you have to keep your customers buying and using that hardware). Eventually make new hardware happens anyway, because it encourages more spending in the market, revives their businesses. But having a better focus on quality software doesn't sound bad!

[angelneo]

Now if we were to consider that both companies kept to themselves, equal shares of the market. The hardware race would probably slow down, which would put focus on Software (you have to keep your customers buying and using that hardware). Eventually make new hardware happens anyway, because it encourages more spending in the market, revives their businesses. But having a better focus on quality software doesn't sound bad!
We all agreed that competition is good for the consumers but software can only go as far as the hardware can support, ultimately both ends need to be improve for the overall experience to get better.

Plus, if developers were to focus efforts on 1 platform instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3, the end product would be cheaper to produce and/or better quality. This is quite speculatively. To a developer, having more platforms to choose from is not necessary a bad thing. One platform might offer a better online support, the other one might offer a the type of interactivity which you need. Another platform might offer a better market segment so on.

[Ninja_Turtle]

I would somewhat agreed with you that PS3 is now at a disadvantage but I do not see your logic in wanting PS3 to fail. You want PS3 to fail because you have bought 360 and want all the developers to come to 360 and abandon PS3? I always believe maintaining a healthy competition is good for the industry and having a monopoly is bad? Didn't MS taught us that with windows?




haha burrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnn.

[gkarris]

i have all 3 systems

i use the ps3 for everything else-personally i feel like its the best htc
out there..specially with the red kawa program i have transfered 10 movies already to the harddrive (which i upgraded from 20gb to 160gb).

Why not just put the disc in?