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applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 06:09 PM
Hi everyone. This may sound like a pointless thread, but I feel guilty for getting a Wii. It is a great system and even though I waited in line for over 8 hours, I feel like I "stole" a little kid's Christmas present. I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if I was younger, but since I'm 18 I just feel...guilty. Any better ways I can think of this situation? Thanks. :(



twistedlegato
Dec 18, 2006, 06:15 PM
8 hours you say?

Any kid could wait!

I do not celebrate Christmas and let me tell you how jealous i have felt the past 8 years (im 13)!

Of course i realized how material-listic Christmas has gotten and now Christmas is total gift giving and things, when you SHOULD be honoring Jesus's Birth!!!!!!

Sorry for the religious comment but im thinking that any kid should be able to wait! And instead celebrate Christmas how it should be!

You waited 8 hours you deserve it!

Dagless
Dec 18, 2006, 06:16 PM
Are you British? You may have stolen mine :p

Don't feel guilty. Love it. It's Nintendo's fault for 1) making the Wii as desirable as it is (silly point) and 2) not making enough of the things. A system has never been this sold out in my town before. ever.

eva01
Dec 18, 2006, 06:17 PM
I stayed in line for 13 hours for a Wii, I don't feel bad, a younger kid could have stayed in line, actually there was a couple of younger kids in line ahead of me with their father.

was fun thou, and this was on release day too

twistedlegato
Dec 18, 2006, 06:19 PM
Are you British? You may have stolen mine :p

Don't feel guilty. Love it. It's Nintendo's fault for 1) making the Wii as desirable as it is (silly point) and 2) not making enough of the things. A system has never been this sold out in my town before. ever.

I thought you got one off play.com?

hqsbud
Dec 18, 2006, 06:22 PM
Well, if you had given it up to a little deserving kid, then he, in effect, has taken it away from some other, maybe even more deserving kid. Someone has to have it, so why not you?

If you still feel guilty, there are lot of places that take donated toys and gives them to kids who can't have one at all. Their Christmas would be made with a much cheaper toy than a Wii.

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 06:25 PM
Are you British? You may have stolen mine :p

Don't feel guilty. Love it. It's Nintendo's fault for 1) making the Wii as desirable as it is (silly point) and 2) not making enough of the things. A system has never been this sold out in my town before. ever.


Well, I got to the Best Buy at around 12 AM and got in line around 4...so technically I stood in line for about 4 hours. I don't know...I can just imagine some old lady wanting a Wii for her grandson when I got it...silly I know. Anyway, thanks for the support guys.

Chone
Dec 18, 2006, 06:25 PM
8 hours you say?

Any kid could wait!

I do not celebrate Christmas and let me tell you how jealous i have felt the past 8 years (im 13)!

Of course i realized how material-listic Christmas has gotten and now Christmas is total gift giving and things, when you SHOULD be honoring Jesus's Birth!!!!!!

Sorry for the religious comment but im thinking that any kid should be able to wait! And instead celebrate Christmas how it should be!

You waited 8 hours you deserve it!

Don't be sorry for the religious comment, thats what Christmas is all about, if you celebrate christmas and do not believe in Jesus Christ then you are celebrating a holiday you are not supposed to and don't know whats its about... I see that religious aspect of life has been lost in the USA... especially with Christmas and kids.

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 06:26 PM
Well, if you had given it up to a little deserving kid, then he, in effect, has taken it away from some other, maybe even more deserving kid. Someone has to have it, so why not you?

If you still feel guilty, there are lot of places that take donated toys and gives them to kids who can't have one at all. Their Christmas would be made with a much cheaper toy than a Wii.

Hmm, good point.

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 06:29 PM
Don't be sorry for the religious comment, thats what Christmas is all about, if you celebrate christmas and do not believe in Jesus Christ then you are celebrating a holiday you are not supposed to and don't know whats its about... I see that religious aspect of life has been lost in the USA... especially with Christmas and kids.

Yes, that is true. It's all about Santa Claus and presents now. I'm glad I get to go to church every Christmas Eve with my family still and set up our little Nativity Scene. :)

risc
Dec 18, 2006, 06:33 PM
Who cares? If you want the console for yourself why does it really matter?

bobber205
Dec 18, 2006, 06:38 PM
:rolleyes:

Enjoy it. If you feel that bad, donate it.

xparaparafreakx
Dec 18, 2006, 07:20 PM
You have the wii and you think you feel bad???

I have the wii and ps3 and I feel like I stole 2 Christmas, one kids christmas and one teenagers christmas.

Also waiting 8 hours isnt that bad. I mean I waited 14 hours in a pre order line at gamestop and I beat out everyone includeing this soccer mom. I felt bad that all of us were taking away Wiis form little kids.

thedude110
Dec 18, 2006, 07:46 PM
Are you sure your guilt is about the Wii? Not saying you can't feel guilty over this, but it seems to me like you might be displacing some other guilt from some other space/event in your life into a safer space.

You have real human depth -- so, go change the world already.

:)

Cassie
Dec 18, 2006, 07:47 PM
not to make you feel worse, but ya, I'd feel guilty

Jovian9
Dec 18, 2006, 08:29 PM
Do not feel guilty. Enjoy your Wii. Had you not bought it there's a good chance someone would have bought it and sold it just to make a profit instead of enjoying it themselves.

:)

zap2
Dec 18, 2006, 08:49 PM
Don't be sorry for the religious comment, thats what Christmas is all about, if you celebrate christmas and do not believe in Jesus Christ then you are celebrating a holiday you are not supposed to and don't know whats its about... I see that religious aspect of life has been lost in the USA... especially with Christmas and kids.

I guess you'd really hate my Hindu friend, who gets xMas presents, and has had a xMas tree in the past:)

But I have to say I love my gift giving,, money based, not really a religion based hoilday(..maybe a little) , called Christmas just fine:p

Cybix
Dec 18, 2006, 09:06 PM
your 18 and feeling guilty? I'm 29, I guess that makes me super guilty.

invite all your mates over and play the **** out of it... that will fix you up :cool:

Malus
Dec 18, 2006, 09:07 PM
Im 19....I waited just like you.

Fact is, those kids will get their wii. So they have to wait a little bit longer. ITs ok, they are 9 years old and have a whole life ahead of them of disappointments.


Enjoy the system!!

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 09:08 PM
Are you sure your guilt is about the Wii? Not saying you can't feel guilty over this, but it seems to me like you might be displacing some other guilt from some other space/event in your life into a safer space.

You have real human depth -- so, go change the world already.

:)

Yes, I am sure the Wii is the reason I feel upset. I'm not displacing any other guilt as I am usually pretty good about clearing my conscience. If I were to send it back, my family/friends/etc. would think I'm crazy...

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 09:09 PM
not to make you feel worse, but ya, I'd feel guilty

LOL, thanks...I guess. :rolleyes:

sam10685
Dec 18, 2006, 09:23 PM
you didn't re-sell it... your at home enjoying it... and that really is what it's supposed to be used for. don't feel guilty at all.

fuzzwud
Dec 18, 2006, 09:39 PM
invite your little cousins (if you have any) or friends and neighbors to play

xparaparafreakx
Dec 18, 2006, 09:47 PM
invite your little cousins (if you have any) or friends and neighbors to play

I would think twice about that. Would you like to pay for a new t.v.? Think about how nice that wiimote going to look inside your t.v.

AppleIntelRock
Dec 18, 2006, 10:05 PM
Hi everyone. This may sound like a pointless thread, but I feel guilty for getting a Wii. It is a great system and even though I waited in line for over 8 hours, I feel like I "stole" a little kid's Christmas present. I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if I was younger, but since I'm 18 I just feel...guilty. Any better ways I can think of this situation? Thanks. :(

Don't feel bad. Go play your Wii- that'll make you feel less guilty. I waited for 10 hrs. I DON'T FEEL GUILTY AT ALL- at least you're not selling it, maybe you prevented someone from making a profit off the wii!

kjr39
Dec 18, 2006, 10:31 PM
You should feel bad. Very bad. You should feel so bad that you decide to package up that Wii and send it to me.

Granted, I'm over a decade older and don't have any kids, but I'll feel younger just by playing a Wii.

That counts? Right?!

.Andy
Dec 18, 2006, 10:58 PM
Yeah don't feel bad. If you didn't buy there's every chance someone like this would have bought it;

http://www.maj.com/gallery/drawne/Curve/guido.jpg

This is seriously what all kids look like these days. They're a lost cause ;)!

applecrag
Dec 18, 2006, 11:22 PM
Yeah don't feel bad. If you didn't buy there's every chance someone like this would have bought it;

http://www.maj.com/gallery/drawne/Curve/guido.jpg

This is seriously what all kids look like these days. They're a lost cause ;)!

ROFL, that's funny.:) Thanks everyone. You guys/girls are awesome. I'm glad to know where to go if I ever need some help. :)

04440
Dec 18, 2006, 11:25 PM
Ha.. That's a hella funny picture.. Ha.. I can't imagine some day I'm going to bring my children into this world... Hopefully he'll not turn to this type of freak. I'm afraid what our society is going to turn into next. I'm feeling bad for playing my wii too much this weekend. My arms hurt.. Playing some rabbit game I can't remember what the heck it was called but it was sure fun. I danced and ran my heart away.

iEdd
Dec 18, 2006, 11:53 PM
Don't worry, any kid who wanted it badly enough should've reserved/preordered one.

Macnoviz
Dec 19, 2006, 01:48 AM
I would think twice about that. Would you like to pay for a new t.v.? Think about how nice that wiimote going to look inside your t.v.

Don't let them do boxing in Wii sports, and you should be alright. (my little brother broke the Wiimote accelerator by hitting a table during bowling, but we got it replaced immediatly, and even got Wii Play for free with the replacement Wiimote, because only the bundled ones had already arrived :D )

ericsthename
Dec 19, 2006, 02:10 AM
I guess you'd really hate my Hindu friend, who gets xMas presents, and has had a xMas tree in the past:)

But I have to say I love my gift giving,, money based, not really a religion based hoilday(..maybe a little) , called Christmas just fine:p


Well, as a Christian I can understand what the poster was saying when he said "you're celebrating a holiday you're not supposed to..." and it has nothing to do with despising those who don't go to church and believe in Jesus Christ because they celebrate Christmas.

I also saw the smiley after your phrase, but I just want to clear up the situation a little bit by saying that Jesus' birth was intended to indicate to non-believers God's presence (amongst other things of course) - so as long as Christmas continues to educate non-Christians about the true meaning behind the holiday, why not?

I think what most people are slowly becoming concerned about, is the way that the season has become an excercise in extracting every penny from consumers through extreme marketing, while the political scene on the other hand is trying to separate all religious basis from the holiday. Clearly this has appealing benefits in the sense that more people celebrate the cultural aspects - suddenly the market for consumer goods is twice what it was.

Without the historical aspect, the holiday just feels empty and shallow. If you consider that most of the spending/giving balances itself out, why don't we all just go buy ourselves things for Christmas instead of wasting all the time and effort of going to choose gifts for people when they may not even like them?

With the historical aspect considered, it's obvious: because the gift giving mimicks the way that the Wise-men blessed Jesus with gifts upon his birth. There are also links to the Roman celebration of Saturnalia, but that is very much disputed and unclear as of yet.

Hopefully this post is worthwhile in informing some who may have not considered these important issues surrounding the time of year many around the world enjoy!

it5five
Dec 19, 2006, 02:24 AM
I guess you'd really hate my Hindu friend, who gets xMas presents, and has had a xMas tree in the past:)

But I have to say I love my gift giving,, money based, not really a religion based hoilday(..maybe a little) , called Christmas just fine:p

That's why I celebrate Giftmas. It's a holiday that falls on the 25th of December. You give presents to people you love and recieve presents in return. Fun holiday.

Counterfit
Dec 19, 2006, 03:10 AM
you didn't re-sell it... your at home enjoying it... and that really is what it's supposed to be used for. don't feel guilty at all.

Agreed. You didn't resell it at almost double the price. (at $450, just get a damn 360, sheesh :rolleyes: ).

Poogis
Dec 19, 2006, 03:50 AM
I had a Wii delivered on UK release day, forgetting I'd pre-ordered one and I'm now thoroughly bored with it. I can't see what the fuss is all about with all these stupid people wanting to pay over £600 on eBay UK.

My point is, why bother feeling bad? I don't. They will get one soon enough and when they've had it for more than a day they will realise that it's a glorified GameCube. Or they could get a 360 now with loads of great games for the festive period.

You think this Wii pre-order business is out of control, just wait until the UK PS3 release.

It's all 'keeping up with the Jones' to quote an old phrase.

p0intblank
Dec 19, 2006, 01:07 PM
You waited for 8 hours to get one, therefore you deserve it. Don't be so hard on yourself. :p I waited for 5 hours and am damn proud of acquiring one. :D

Dagless
Dec 19, 2006, 01:15 PM
Don't worry, any kid who wanted it badly enough should've reserved/preordered one.

That's a fairly silly opinion. I preordered one with a reputable company, play.com is massive here. Yet they failed to deliver, many shops are in the same situation. Girlfriends Wii was supposed to be here on the 22nd, now it's a whole month later.

My point is, why bother feeling bad? I don't. They will get one soon enough and when they've had it for more than a day they will realise that it's a glorified GameCube. Or they could get a 360 now with loads of great games for the festive period.

Loads of great games? Twilight Princess is the only game I've actually *wanted* to own since Metroid Prime 2 came out. No game on the 360 is showing any interest to me, and I have access to all the big hitters (brother actually does spend his entire wage on games now).
The more and more I think about it I'm probably only going to get the *super* games this gen. the AAAA titles.

faustfire
Dec 19, 2006, 01:37 PM
Hi everyone. This may sound like a pointless thread, but I feel guilty for getting a Wii. It is a great system and even though I waited in line for over 8 hours, I feel like I "stole" a little kid's Christmas present. I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if I was younger, but since I'm 18 I just feel...guilty. Any better ways I can think of this situation? Thanks. :(

A you kidding?!?!:confused: :rolleyes:

iEdd
Dec 19, 2006, 02:15 PM
That's a fairly silly opinion. I preordered one with a reputable company, play.com is massive here. Yet they failed to deliver, many shops are in the same situation. Girlfriends Wii was supposed to be here on the 22nd, now it's a whole month later.
I said it mostly for the point that he didn't ring up while he wasn't at school (like a kid would be) and reserve one, but waited 8 hours. The other point is that the only time I've ever been let down by a reserve or preorder is from ordering a PSP from Canada.
Then again, we don't really have lineups here. Midnight launches = a few people at each store. You go into a store, they say they have x consoles for launch day, pay a deposit and you get pretty much a guarantee to get one. :confused: :)

pgc6000
Dec 19, 2006, 04:38 PM
That's the way of the jungle, bigger ones come out on top :D In your case, you got the Wii. Trust me, I'm sure Nintendo won't stop pumping these things out anytime soon

applecrag
Dec 20, 2006, 12:40 AM
I had a Wii delivered on UK release day, forgetting I'd pre-ordered one and I'm now thoroughly bored with it. I can't see what the fuss is all about with all these stupid people wanting to pay over £600 on eBay UK.

My point is, why bother feeling bad? I don't. They will get one soon enough and when they've had it for more than a day they will realise that it's a glorified GameCube. Or they could get a 360 now with loads of great games for the festive period.

You think this Wii pre-order business is out of control, just wait until the UK PS3 release.

It's all 'keeping up with the Jones' to quote an old phrase.

Is the Wii really just a glorified Gamecube? I haven't really thought about it, but I sure hope it isn't! I just know the thing is fun...I also read somewhere that the Wii's graphics are supposed to be "on par" with the 360...do you guys think this is true?

jamesi
Dec 20, 2006, 12:44 AM
Hi everyone. This may sound like a pointless thread, but I feel guilty for getting a Wii. It is a great system and even though I waited in line for over 8 hours, I feel like I "stole" a little kid's Christmas present. I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if I was younger, but since I'm 18 I just feel...guilty. Any better ways I can think of this situation? Thanks. :(

sounds like you might be experiencing some growing pains as in you are a getting a lil too mature to fully enjoy the system knowing that some youngin woulda appreciated it more. the average gamer is supposed to be like late 20s or later so you still are "allowed" to get excited about video games but i personally felt that it was the kind of thing you grow out of before then

jamesi
Dec 20, 2006, 12:46 AM
Don't worry, any kid who wanted it badly enough should've reserved/preordered one.

hahaha i dunno why i thought this was funny but i guess its b/c i never remember being doped up on sugar enough to feel that i couldnt get the system soon enough. this isnt meant to be an insult, if i had the money id certainly buy lots of toys

Haoshiro
Dec 20, 2006, 06:46 AM
If you hadn't bought it there is every chance it would have ended up on ebay. No harm done I say.

Macnoviz
Dec 20, 2006, 08:15 AM
Is the Wii really just a glorified Gamecube? I haven't really thought about it, but I sure hope it isn't! I just know the thing is fun...I also read somewhere that the Wii's graphics are supposed to be "on par" with the 360...do you guys think this is true?

It's better than a gamecube, no doubt, but from what I've seen in Zelda I can say that the graphics of the 360 are superior. I'm a big fan of the Wii, but in terms of power and graphics it's far behind the PS3 and XBox 360

darkwing
Dec 20, 2006, 08:47 AM
Is the Wii really just a glorified Gamecube? I haven't really thought about it, but I sure hope it isn't! I just know the thing is fun...I also read somewhere that the Wii's graphics are supposed to be "on par" with the 360...do you guys think this is true?

It's almost the same as the GameCube. They made a neat controller, and caused it to be standardized on that. That means most games should use that neat controller idea. They're banking on that strategy. The Wii is cheap to make because it's basically hardware from 5 years ago plus a fancy controller which really is nothing new. You could do that with a PS2 and a usb port but only 2 games would use it... so what's the point?

Frankly it'll be interesting. I said before that the worst decision made in the whole next-gen war was leaving HD off the Wii. If that comes back to bite Nintendo in the butt in a couple years I'll be here to say I told ya so. :)

What surprises me is that if you look at upcoming games on gamestop.com the PS3 has 7 pages of results and the Wii has only 4. The first page for both is mostly accessories. I really thought the Wii would have more developers lined up as it's a cheaper system and developers might have figured more people would have it.

I have a PS3 now, and will consider getting a Wii after some games come out I might like. Zelda doesn't interest me. I haven't truly had fun with a Zelda since the SNES one.

Yvan256
Dec 20, 2006, 10:17 AM
I'm 34 and I got my Wii on the release day. I waited about 10 minutes in line because I pre-ordered my system about 3 months before the launch. I was 10th in line, the store received about 20 units.

You went to the store, waited in line, paid for it. You didn't steal anything from anyone, Nintendo just didn't make enough units for the launch.

Besides, Wii buyers usually want the console to play it, not resell it on eBay for profits (*cough*PS3*cough). Enjoy the system, enjoy the games. Anyway, the only "I gotta have a Wii" title is, IMHO, Zelda, which is also available for the Gamecube. You're not preventing anyone from playing Zelda at christmas for buying your Wii.

agreenster
Dec 20, 2006, 10:17 AM
Without the historical aspect, the holiday just feels empty and shallow. If you consider that most of the spending/giving balances itself out, why don't we all just go buy ourselves things for Christmas instead of wasting all the time and effort of going to choose gifts for people when they may not even like them?


That is so true. I hate giving/receiving gifts sometimes. I'd MUCH rather just spend time with loved ones. Like, for example, my wife and I arent giving gifts to each other this christmas. We rented an awesome cabin in Yosemite, and are going skiing, ice skating, hiking, and even a cheesy sleigh ride. Nestled in front of a fire with a cup of cocoa in the middle of the most beautiful national park in the country....aaaaah.

Oh, and to the original poster, I suspect this was just your way of bragging about getting a Wii. Feel guilty about stealing from a kid? Dude, you're only 18! You're a kid yourself! ;)

Oh, and as far as the whole "real meaning of christmas" goes, I think the reason most of this country is becoming less and less religious or christian about christmas is because people simply don't believe in the virgin birth anymore. They are beginning to believe that it was a story made up to convert both jews and romans that Jesus was either the foretold messiah or a "half-man half-god" to convert the pagan romans/greeks/gentiles.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_dir.htm


I really thought the Wii would have more developers lined up as it's a cheaper system and developers might have figured more people would have it.


As a developer, we're actually surprised the Wii is so popular. Last year, when we were making games for this holiday season, our focus was XBox 360 and PS2. I mean, you cant deny that there a bazillion PS2's still in people's homes, so it only makes sense to milk that cash cow for one more holiday season until the PS3 gets a better foothold. But then the Wii came along and blew everyone's expectations away, so I bet next holiday season will be quite different.

Are the Wii's "graphics" on par with 360? No way. Is it better than gamecube? Oh hell yeah. But it offers a different kind of fun and consumers have been looking for that for a while now. I think we'll see a lot of homes with 360 and Wii next holiday season....PS3 is still a BIG question...

darkwing
Dec 20, 2006, 10:57 AM
As a developer, we're actually surprised the Wii is so popular. Last year, when we were making games for this holiday season, our focus was XBox 360 and PS2. I mean, you cant deny that there a bazillion PS2's still in people's homes, so it only makes sense to milk that cash cow for one more holiday season until the PS3 gets a better foothold. But then the Wii came along and blew everyone's expectations away, so I bet next holiday season will be quite different.

Are the Wii's "graphics" on par with 360? No way. Is it better than gamecube? Oh hell yeah. But it offers a different kind of fun and consumers have been looking for that for a while now. I think we'll see a lot of homes with 360 and Wii next holiday season....PS3 is still a BIG question...

What company do you work for? Are you working on anything for PS3 yet? How would you consider support for developers from the big three companies seems compared to each other?

I would hope that the 360 and PS3, being so powerful, could ease development because of the overhead they can handle from various tools and libraries.

I already bet my friend that in a year, Sony's going to be for-sure back on top. Just like it has been the last many years. We'll just have to wait and see. :)

likeavaliant
Dec 20, 2006, 11:31 AM
if a kid wants a wii so much, his parents will likely buy one for him off ebay, paying well over how much its actually worth. and the people who buy them simply to put on ebay at disgusting prices kind of ruin it for people. you didnt ruin anything. enjoy it for me.

Judo
Dec 20, 2006, 04:17 PM
Don't be sorry for the religious comment, thats what Christmas is all about, if you celebrate christmas and do not believe in Jesus Christ then you are celebrating a holiday you are not supposed to and don't know whats its about... I see that religious aspect of life has been lost in the USA... especially with Christmas and kids.

Christmas is not an exclusive day just for christians to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
JC is no part of my christmas, my friends and family are.
I'm all for letting the gifts and the good times flow for everyone.

Macnoviz
Dec 21, 2006, 03:55 AM
Christmas is not an exclusive day just for christians to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
JC is no part of my christmas, my friends and family are.
I'm all for letting the gifts and the good times flow for everyone.

Than you're not celebrating Christmas, but the winter festival of Yule.
December 25 is not trademarked by Christianity, it was a "holiday" before Christ, but if you celebrate this, you shouldn't call it Christmas.

It's all very ambiguous, Christmas is a huge mosaic of traditions from different cultures.

Markleshark
Dec 21, 2006, 05:56 AM
WTF? Is this thread an, admittedly rather funny, joke?

Let me get this straight. You bought a Wii, waited 8 hours for it... and now you feel guilty because someone else could have got it. A kid at that. Please.

:rolleyes:

If you had not bought it, the guy behind you would have.

GFLPraxis
Dec 22, 2006, 01:45 AM
Don't worry about it. If you hadn't gotten it, some other hardcore nerd would have grabbed it first, not some kid, in all likelyhood. You did hard work and earned it.

MASSIVELY OFF TOPIC:

I do not celebrate Christmas and let me tell you how jealous i have felt the past 8 years (im 13)!


Don't feel jealous. I don't, either, and I'm grateful for the sheer amount of stress it has saved my parents, and now that I'm older, myself.


Of course i realized how material-listic Christmas has gotten and now Christmas is total gift giving and things, when you SHOULD be honoring Jesus's Birth!!!!!!

Right, as if Jesus was actually born in the winter. Remember, according to the Biblical account, the shepherds were sleeping in the field. Bethlehem is well known for snow and below-freezing temperatures in December. Backtracking from things in the Bible make it more likely that he was born in Fall.

December 25th is the birthday of the Roman Sun god. The Catholic church adopted it *many* centuries after Jesus' death so that their citizens wouldn't feel like they were losing their favorite holiday.

I'm a Christian, but I don't celebrate Christmas for two simple reasons: It has nothing to do with Christ, and it's materialistic and stressful. Don't delude yourself by thinking that the holiday is about Jesus.

Macnoviz
Dec 22, 2006, 01:55 AM
Right, as if Jesus was actually born in the winter. Remember, according to the Biblical account, the shepherds were sleeping in the field. Bethlehem is well known for snow and below-freezing temperatures in December. Backtracking from things in the Bible make it more likely that he was born in Fall.

December 25th is the birthday of the Roman Sun god. The Catholic church adopted it *many* centuries after Jesus' death so that their citizens wouldn't feel like they were losing their favorite holiday.

I'm a Christian, but I don't celebrate Christmas for two simple reasons: It has nothing to do with Christ, and it's materialistic and stressful. Don't delude yourself by thinking that the holiday is about Jesus.

True, but it was an important event, and since we know absolutely NOTHING about it, it doesn't really matter when you celebrate it. (the gospels were written backwards, starting with the Passion. Mc. doesn't even have childhood stories. Most of it is unsure (were there shepherds? where was it? when? ...)
a lot of it was added later (St. Fransiscus added the whole stable thing)
There is no way to say that it was in the Fall, Winter, or any other time.

so I don't really see your point