Xp Sucks The Big One!

[MacAztec]

Ok, so when XP WORKS, its ok. Still kinda goofy lookin and stuff, hard to organize, etc.

Here are my problems with XP since day 1 (well, day one with a PC...first time ever).

Built my PC, installed XP, ran fine. Now to setup a network. Installed my nic cards drivers, and plugged it in. No go. Fiddled around making new connections and stuff. No go. Manually entered subnet mask, IP, and DNS servers. Yay, it worked.

Despite the frequent reboots from apps acting up, it was running ok. Until I installed something bad. Corrupted my system...time to reinstall.

So I boot of the XP CD, and try to erase my partition. Gives me an error that I cant do it and bla bla bla. So, now I have 2 XP OSes on one HD.

I boot off it again, and this time it erases the drive. I install OS XP, and start up. I install all my motherboard drivers, etc. Now to get the NIC card working. My NIC card was had **** compatibilty with XP, so I bought a Microsoft NIC card. Worked fine, installed great, but I couldnt get on the internet.

After about 5 hours of fiddling with it, I had to do this. Set my IP address and stuff manually. Shut down the PC. Shut down my Router, Switch, and modem. Unplug the ethernet cable from my PC. Wait a lil bit. Plug it in. Turn on the Switch, router, and modem. Turn on the PC. It worked this time!

Now to install a Video Driver. DOwnloaded my driver from SapphireTech's website, the comp. that made my card. It installs fine and reboots. On reboot, i get a whole bunch of error boxes, saying there have been fatal errors. Then the machine reboots. It repeats this loop about 4 times before I decide to boot into safe mode.

From there I threw away everything that included the ATI driver. I then rebooted, and downloaded the drivers from ATIs REAL website, and it is working now.

God, XP sucks. Its great for gaming, and I am busting out about 350FPS in quake, playing BF 1942, etc.

But XP is NOT for ANYTHING besides games IMO. I could never ever ever work on it.

[iJon]

i agree with ou 100 percent.

iJon

[mac15]

well, if you want a reall good gaming OS use win2k pro. Gamespy test with it and pull insane frame rates. I used to like XP but now with the level the mac os is at I have no reason too anymore

[shadowfax]

well... i dunno... i mean this is such an extraordinary example. i have heard of some people taking **** from OS X too.

my XP experience was great. i left it on for weeks on end. it was always running smooth, though it would act up after a few weeks. a repoot fixed things. i got a BSD maybe 3 times in the 2 years i used it (i've had more kernel panis using XDarwin on my baby)... i worked in photoshop on it fine, i wrote stuff for school, it printed over the network to my dad's 98 box fine; that was just an old P3 too. then i gave it to my sister when i got my Ti. now it sucks the big one, but that's because my sister is incompetent with the computer. and it still runs fine enough for her not to bitch at me about it being messed up.

so this is a freak thing with your hardware setup/specific hardware/software glitch, or you just don't know what you're doing (which is actually a good thing if you ask me, i hate that i know windows well enough that all my friends still ask for help with it).

[guitargeek]

XP is the reason we still have wars.

I don't touch windows anymore. IMO, linux is the only way to go on a PC.

[iJon]

Originally posted by guitargeek
XP is the reason we still have wars.

I don't touch windows anymore. IMO, linux is the only way to go on a PC.
i would run linux on my pc but then i would have no software, which is games, there are less games for linux then mac.

iJon

[jethroted]

Windows Xp makes baby Jesus cry.

-Ralph Wiggum

[tazo]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Ok, so when XP WORKS, its ok. Still kinda goofy lookin and stuff, hard to organize, etc.

Here are my problems with XP since day 1 (well, day one with a PC...first time ever).

Built my PC, installed XP, ran fine. Now to setup a network. Installed my nic cards drivers, and plugged it in. No go. Fiddled around making new connections and stuff. No go. Manually entered subnet mask, IP, and DNS servers. Yay, it worked.

Despite the frequent reboots from apps acting up, it was running ok. Until I installed something bad. Corrupted my system...time to reinstall.

So I boot of the XP CD, and try to erase my partition. Gives me an error that I cant do it and bla bla bla. So, now I have 2 XP OSes on one HD.

I boot off it again, and this time it erases the drive. I install OS XP, and start up. I install all my motherboard drivers, etc. Now to get the NIC card working. My NIC card was had **** compatibilty with XP, so I bought a Microsoft NIC card. Worked fine, installed great, but I couldnt get on the internet.

After about 5 hours of fiddling with it, I had to do this. Set my IP address and stuff manually. Shut down the PC. Shut down my Router, Switch, and modem. Unplug the ethernet cable from my PC. Wait a lil bit. Plug it in. Turn on the Switch, router, and modem. Turn on the PC. It worked this time!

Now to install a Video Driver. DOwnloaded my driver from SapphireTech's website, the comp. that made my card. It installs fine and reboots. On reboot, i get a whole bunch of error boxes, saying there have been fatal errors. Then the machine reboots. It repeats this loop about 4 times before I decide to boot into safe mode.

From there I threw away everything that included the ATI driver. I then rebooted, and downloaded the drivers from ATIs REAL website, and it is working now.

God, XP sucks. Its great for gaming, and I am busting out about 350FPS in quake, playing BF 1942, etc.

But XP is NOT for ANYTHING besides games IMO. I could never ever ever work on it.

As a person who uses both macs and pc's daily, with OS X on my mac and XP on my wintel, I think its only fair to say that both operating systems run fine. When you say you could never work on it, what do u mean? I mean honestly, unless you are ADD you should be able to work using a computer; regardless of the desktop background. I find XP to be a joy because it runs great and is extremely reliable-I like OS X for the same reasons.

Don't make mac OS X to be perfect in every way when you know damn well that many mac newbies have come to this site and said "everything in my new mac has gone kaput" or "I just bought a comp and i have had to reinstall 10.1 four times". OS X is not perfect as no OS can be; neither is XP in those regards. In the future do not be so critical of an operating system that is essentially on par with Apple's latest offering in terms of reliability and performance.

[tazo]

Originally posted by guitargeek
XP is the reason we still have wars.

I don't touch windows anymore. IMO, linux is the only way to go on a PC.

I would use Linux (RH8,9) on my PC more except I cannot get my dialup to work with it. Its awfully queer. anyway. I still use linux for playing video since XMMS or Xine (I forget which one is video and which is music, its been a while ;)) or is the best :D

[abdul]

my bros got a computer on XP on a 2.4 GHz computer. i think its really slow navigating.......by the way the first think you should have done is reset your TCP/IP and you could have done this by:

start>run> netsh int ip reset c:\resetlog.txt >ok

black box shouls appear and then dissapear.

i dont know whats wrong now though

[mac15]

Originally posted by jethroted
Windows Xp makes baby Jesus cry.

-Ralph Wiggum


Wrong dude,

Todd Flanders said that

[guitargeek]

I would use Linux (RH8,9) on my PC more except I cannot get my dialup to work with it. Its awfully queer.

I could be wrong, but chances are you're trying to use a software modem. You need a hardware modem for dial-up in linux, unless you're lucky enough to have one of the few winmodems with drivers (but you're better off getting a hardware modem anyways).



i would run linux on my pc but then i would have no software, which is games, there are less games for linux then mac.

Well, I don't play games at all, so that's not a concern. Tuxracer and BZflag are enough for me when the rare urge to game strikes me. For everything else, it's great. The office suite is great (Open Office), the web browsers, multimedia programs. Perfect for the average joe like me.

Yes, there is deffinitely a shortage in software compared to Windows, though. You can't get all the specialty (like CAD programs and stuff) programs like you can in Windows.

[scem0]

XP runs pretty decently for me. I have no major concerns
but a couple..... hundred minor concerns :rolleyes:. Such as stupid
illegal operations happening every 2 minutes. And the suckiness
of Internet Explorer.

I LOVE kazaa though. I will really miss it when I buy a 970.

[MacAztec]

Kazza bites a nut. There are like millions of fake files, crappy downloads a lot, and the quality is semi-good.

I like KDX. I think its the best file trading program yet.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by tazo
As a person who uses both macs and pc's daily, with OS X on my mac and XP on my wintel, I think its only fair to say that both operating systems run fine. When you say you could never work on it, what do u mean? I mean honestly, unless you are ADD you should be able to work using a computer; regardless of the desktop background. I find XP to be a joy because it runs great and is extremely reliable-I like OS X for the same reasons.

Don't make mac OS X to be perfect in every way when you know damn well that many mac newbies have come to this site and said "everything in my new mac has gone kaput" or "I just bought a comp and i have had to reinstall 10.1 four times". OS X is not perfect as no OS can be; neither is XP in those regards. In the future do not be so critical of an operating system that is essentially on par with Apple's latest offering in terms of reliability and performance.

Well, first off, this is why I could not work on XP.

Internet connecting sucks ass. Popups in every browser all the time. It always wants to update. Network computers sucks, hard to connect. File organization sucks. Too many illegal ops. I could go on and on, but I dont want to think about XP right now.

And as for comparing X with XP, I think X takes a mad crap on XP. I noticed that when I first install XP, I have to use F12, L key, D key, etc.

When I install mac os x, its just "continue, agree, install"

In XP, when you setup the network during installation, it DOENST WORK ALL THE TIME.

It always works for me on my mac when I setup the network.

Macs dont install crap programs like WMessanger, and ask me to get an id every 5 minutes. Its just annoying.

Maybe if they totally rebuild their OS instead of adding new pictures to it, and a few new features, they will be able to be compared.

[tazo]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Well, first off, this is why I could not work on XP.

Internet connecting sucks ass. Popups in every browser all the time. It always wants to update. Network computers sucks, hard to connect. File organization sucks. Too many illegal ops. I could go on and on, but I dont want to think about XP right now.

And as for comparing X with XP, I think X takes a mad crap on XP. I noticed that when I first install XP, I have to use F12, L key, D key, etc.

When I install mac os x, its just "continue, agree, install"

In XP, when you setup the network during installation, it DOENST WORK ALL THE TIME.

It always works for me on my mac when I setup the network.

Macs dont install crap programs like WMessanger, and ask me to get an id every 5 minutes. Its just annoying.

Maybe if they totally rebuild their OS instead of adding new pictures to it, and a few new features, they will be able to be compared.

*Popup ads: IE sucks on both platforms, that is why man invented Mozilla, the best browser on earth. fast simple, tabs, and popup blocker.

*Using keys during installation: I have no clue to what you are referring to and I have never had to do such in any installation of XP.

*and a few new features, they will be able to be compared.
10.1 to 10.2; a few new features and a few new pictures perhaps?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Kazza bites a nut. There are like millions of fake files, crappy downloads a lot, and the quality is semi-good.

I like KDX. I think its the best file trading program yet.

kazaa and kdx are very different.

kazaa is really more like "acquisition" or one of those... and kazaa blows them away. kdx, you have to know addresses or hope that a tracker finds a good one. and then you have to hope you can download, etc. it's a different system entirely in my opinion.

[vniow]

Originally posted by tazo
*Using keys during installation: I have no clue to what you are referring to and I have never had to do such in any installation of XP.


I think he's talking about when you first install XP (from scratch) you have to hit F8 and then R or something, and some other keys I can't remember, and then that insanely long product key and then activate it so you can use the damn thing for more than 30 days...

Its quite an annoying and intrusive OS in my opinion, may be stable and easy to use, but all the little things (like Windows Messenger) are annoying as hell.

[Captnroger]

To be fair, to make the PC experience complete, I wouldn't advise building your own machine the first time around and expecting things to go smoothly. I'm sure if you had bought a retail boxed machine it would have gone much better.

Having said that, I have a G4 1ghzDP and a Xeon 2.4 PC. I use the G4 for basically everything, the Xeon for dialup to my office and lite gaming. I find OS X to be a much more enjoyable computing experience. I do NOT have stability issues under XP Pro however.

[pauld]

why does XP let me only open one microsoft application at a time but however many non-microsoft applications as I like - Weird, right?

[Computer_Phreak]

I have heard lots of stories very similar to yours about OS X.

I think you are basing your judgement on one single instance. XP seems to work fine with me. I really dont have any major problems... just lots of excess applications, registry garbage, and excessware. However, OS X has its own quirks.

Bottom line: XP isn't that bad, its pretty good.

[sedarby]

I use XP Pro at work on a 2.4 ghz P4 and it seems to work okay. I don't have any of the issues previously described such as the Illegal Ops error but then I just use a very limited number of applications since I work as a software developer in a controlled environment. In other words, no games will ever darken the doors of this hard drive.

If you turn off that ridiculous scheme in display properties it will look more like a professional desktop very much akin to Windows 2000. Whoever came up with that theme must have had OS X envy but did it very badly. My 6 year old nephew could pick more appropriate colors.

[sedarby]

Originally posted by pauld
why does XP let me only open one microsoft application at a time but however many non-microsoft applications as I like - Weird, right?
I am using XP Pro and I have Word, Excel, Internet Explorer and Outlook all open at the same time.

Your right, very weird.

[mac15]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
kazaa and kdx are very different.

kazaa is really more like "acquisition" or one of those... and kazaa blows them away. kdx, you have to know addresses or hope that a tracker finds a good one. and then you have to hope you can download, etc. it's a different system entirely in my opinion.

KDX isn't like acquisition, they are both totally different apps. KDX is much like hotline and carracho. acquisition is closer to kazaa, its based on the gnutella network.

on KDX, its all servers and accounts . Not p2p

[scem0]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Kazza bites a nut. There are like millions of fake files, crappy downloads a lot, and the quality is semi-good.

I like KDX. I think its the best file trading program yet.

Find a P2P where I can download (let me count...) 41 different
kung fu movies, all relatively good quality, and most virtually
unknown. (Like Spiritual Kung Fu and Snake in Eagle's Shadow).
I haven't seen many fake files, only with porn, so my consensus
is that you either are a porn nut, or you are doing something
majorly wrong with Kazaa. :rolleyes: ;) :)

[jethroted]

Originally posted by mac15
Wrong dude,

Todd Flanders said that

Ah what ever. The same person does the voice, and it's the voice I remember. ;)

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
kazaa and kdx are very different.

kazaa is really more like "acquisition" or one of those... and kazaa blows them away. kdx, you have to know addresses or hope that a tracker finds a good one. and then you have to hope you can download, etc. it's a different system entirely in my opinion.

kazza is like a network...such as the worst network ever, gnutella
KDX is user/server based... such as hotline...

Originally posted by scem0
Find a P2P where I can download (let me count...) 41 different
kung fu movies, all relatively good quality, and most virtually
unknown. (Like Spiritual Kung Fu and Snake in Eagle's Shadow).
I haven't seen many fake files, only with porn, so my consensus
is that you either are a porn nut, or you are doing something
majorly wrong with Kazaa. :rolleyes: ;) :)
Acually the RIAA is putting out fake song files, but it is more of an annoyance then a major problem...

BTW, GiftBoX (openFT) and BitTorrent kicks all of that away. And on KaZaA you get spyware (atleast get KaZaA lite) and many people leach. Too many leachers.

[scem0]

Originally posted by MrMacman
kazza is like a network...such as the worst network ever, gnutella
KDX is user/server based... such as hotline...


Acually the RIAA is putting out fake song files, but it is more of an annoyance then a major problem...

BTW, GiftBoX (openFT) and BitTorrent kicks all of that away. And on KaZaA you get spyware (atleast get KaZaA lite) and many people leach. Too many leachers.

Networks (Especially the fasttrack network [the one kazaa
uses]) are so much better than the server p2p apps (like hotline).
I swear, I have spent many an hour trying to find a decent
server w/ good files. that was fast, and you didn't need a login
and pass. In my experiences Limewire is the best P2P for mac,
and kazaa is the best for PC. But, this is all opinion, so I will
stop now.

Oh, and did you hear about how the RIAA put out fake madonna
songs, and then (a) hacker(s) hacked into madonna.com and
posted her album for download. There was a thing on it in
the current events forum.

And people will always be able to get around the fake songs.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by scem0
Networks (Especially the fasttrack network [the one kazaa
uses]) are so much better than the server p2p apps (like hotline).
I swear, I have spent many an hour trying to find a decent
server w/ good files. that was fast, and you didn't need a login
and pass. In my experiences Limewire is the best P2P for mac,
and kazaa is the best for PC. But, this is all opinion, so I will
stop now.

Oh, and did you hear about how the RIAA put out fake madonna
songs, and then (a) hacker(s) hacked into madonna.com and
posted her album for download. There was a thing on it in
the current events forum.

And people will always be able to get around the fake songs.

Limewire is a resource hog, I have no idea why, but it does. Untill you have tried them all, like I have, name one, I've used it... KaZaA and hotline are Totally different, there is a network in KaZaA that their isn't in Hotline, KDX, etc...

and yes, I posted in that madonna.com hacked thread acually. :rolleyes:

[shadowfax]

isn't limewire written in Java? would that make it slower?

[scem0]

that is definitely true. LW needs a lot of reprogramming. I admire
the programmers who made it bc they worked so hard on it, and
it is available on most platforms, but they need to do some extra
work on it (on the PC version too).

Originally posted by Shadowfax
isn't limewire written in Java? would that make it slower?

Well, Macs don't have the best Java support (to my knowledge),
and so, yeah, it makes LW slower, but it could be a lot faster
if they worked some more on their code.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by scem0
that is definitely true. LW needs a lot of reprogramming. I admire
the programmers who made it bc they worked so hard on it, and
it is available on most platforms, but they need to do some extra
work on it (on the PC version too).



Well, Macs don't have the best Java support (to my knowledge),
and so, yeah, it makes LW slower, but it could be a lot faster
if they worked some more on their code. as infrequently as i use anything like limewire, i don't mind that it's all sluggish. it gets the job done on those rare occasions i need something. and when it doesn't, i just get on my old PC and run soulseek. i love soulseek! of course, it's kinda sluggish to start on my old P3...

[macphisto]

Why, why would anyone want to submit themselves to the torture known as XP?

:rolleyes:

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by macphisto
Why, why would anyone want to submit themselves to the torture known as XP?

:rolleyes: hmmm. some might ask, why would anyone submit themselves to permission problems, the instability of X11 for X, crashing issues with 3D rendering studios, sluggish performance in iMovie, game performance issues due to crappy porting, USB issues with recent updates to a certain OS...?

food for thought. honestly, my XP crashed about as often as OS X did. i had to maintain it a little more, granted, but i do my share of maintenance to keep OS X up and chugging too. my issues are with Microsoft and the way they boggle freedom. with XP, you can largely avoid this, provided you steer clear of windows media player. Activation is no issue either. i have XP courtesy of Dell or something, so there isn't any.

it's not torture. it's just ugly (which is easily fixed with the UI dll hack and an OS X based theme), and holds a promise of becoming vilely oppressive later on with Longhorn.