Jobs to Give WWDC Keynote

[MacRumors]

The press release (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030508/sfth039_1.html) states that Steve Jobs will be giving the keynote address at WWDC:


Apple® (Nasdaq: AAPL - News) today announced that Steve Jobs will kick off its Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) with a keynote on Monday, June 23, 2003, beginning at 10:00 a.m. (PDT) at San Francisco's Moscone West.


WWDC begins on June 23, 2003 and runs until June 27th.

[mangoman]

Announcing the 970 driven Apple PDA, no less.

Right, Steve-O?

[wallinbl]

Begin rampant speculation now!

[ipiloot]

970 !?!?

[fuge]

Does Mr. Jobs usually kick off this event?

[etoiles]

the plot thickens...;)

[springscansing]

Please lord... 970... pleeeease.

[zulgand04]

is this normal? because if its not this could be another big month in june.

-Neal

sorry did't notice someone already asked is this normal.

[eric67]

Dear all,

I think macbidouille news regarding the PPC970 might indeed be true regarding at least the date, just check the last announcement from Apple itself

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/may/08wwdc.html

our looprumors.com : http://www.looprumors.com/

I am not saying that MB benchmarks are entirely true but we might expect to see Panther demoed by Steve itself during the keynote, and if it is the case it needs an computer to run it.....

[Jeromino]

I guess that locks in the whirlwind of anticipation for whatever it is he'll say :)

[dongmin]

does anyone know if this is normal, for ol Stevie to giving the intro talk???

edit: ok I see now that about 5 other people asked the same question. And I thought I was special...

An interesting bit from the press release, although probably nothing:

expanded labs with the latest Mac systems where developers can port and test their code and get technical assistance from the Apple engineers directly responsible for the technologies

Could this signal a preview of 64-bit Panther??? I know, I'm reading too much into it, but it's nice to fantasize isn't it?

WWDC’s first Enterprise IT Track specifically designed for enterprise developers, system administrators and IT managers so they can fully leverage the open source and open standards approach at the base of Mac® OS X, Mac OS X Server and Xserve® technologies;

It's nice to hear that Apple is finally making a bigger push for the enterprise market. Finally. Maybe they're doing b/c they finally have the hardware (i.e. 970) to back them up. It sure is fun reading into all this stuff. A good time to be a rumor monger, no?

[Jaykay]

mmm, i can smell burning G4s already..... (not that they havent been good to us or anything)

[Fat Tony]

It's on like Donkey Kong

[arn]

Steve Jobs gave the keynote at WWDC last year

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2002/05/06/wwdckeynote/

[Vlade]

970 + new nVidia or ATI card previewing Doom 3

/me dreams

[merges]

In fact, Jobs has been involved with the WWDC keynote since at least 1999.

While it is a "normal" or "routine" phenomenon for Jobs to give the keynote at WWDC, I wouldn't for a second consider that detrimental to the potential "bigness" of announcements that may be made at the show.

[cosmicsoftceo]

expanded labs with the latest Mac systems where developers can port and test their code and get technical assistance from the Apple engineers directly responsible for the technologies;

What else could that be except 970s!!

:)

edit: oh, that's from the press release...

[onemilkid]

We gonna party like it's my birthday.

23rd is actually my 23rd birthday, so if steve o. present me an 2,3 GHz PowerMac with 2,3 Gig Ram for 2300 DeutschMarks (Euros would be to much) I'll take at least one.

Make my day Steve

[Bozola]

I predict the following

the end of the CRT based macs
the end of OS9

oh wait that's been done already.. never mind

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by arn
Steve Jobs gave the keynote at WWDC last year

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2002/05/06/wwdckeynote/

How dare you post facts to a rumor site :)

1. Developers are the CORE of Apple and new produxts or not, Steve Jobs would be likely to provide motivation to his most critical audience.

2. Apple is about to go 64 bit. This is clearly a developer issue and that alone would explain the one month deferral so a better Panther could be prepped. So I would wager this is a mostly 64 bit OSX news event.

3. It is likely pre-release 970 hardware will be demoed in association with Panther at WWDC. But what is the likelihood they will be selling shrink-wrapped Panther at half price to developers with every purchase of a dual 1.8ghz 970 system at 30% off? It would rule!

Rocketman

[SilentPanda]

Great... just great... and I'm going to be in an orphanage in Romania where I'll be lucky to have hot water let alone internet access to find out if the 970 is out or not... I guess I can wait though... :) but really... what are the odds?!

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by SilentPanda
Great... just great... and I'm going to be in an orphanage in Romania ... what are the odds?!

Astronomically large if you don't make a habit of visiting Romanian orphanages. ;-)

[a_kim]

Originally posted by Frobozz
Astronomically large if you don't make a habit of visiting Romanian orphanages. ;-)

And 100% if you are a Romanian orphan.

-Alex

[SilentPanda]

Originally posted by a_kim
And 100% if you are a Romanian orphan.

-Alex

It's neither a habit nor is it my place of residence... I live in Iowa for pete's sake... :P

Oh well... I'll live...

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Originally posted by Macrumors
The press release (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030508/sfth039_1.html) states that Steve Jobs will be giving the keynote address at WWDC:



WWDC begins on June 23, 2003 and runs until June 27th.

Should be a good week. New Harry Potter on Saturday, Steve talking on Monday, and ordering a new 970 PM on Tuesday - which is what some sources have claimed. That would fit with what I know about the 970, because it began production not long after the beginning of the year.

Now here's the other question: Will Stevie's address be broadcast live from Moscone? Has his WWDC address ever been broadcasted? If not, then it would be a huge development if it was announced that we could got to the Apple store and watch it.

[jettredmont]

Calm down, folks!

Jobs' WWDC keynote is a common occurence. We already know he will be debuting Panther this year just like he debuted Jaguar at WWDC last year ... and we also know that he had no problem filling the entire presentation last year with Jagwirean goodness, so this gives us no reason to expect anything more than a thorough demonstration of Panther.

But, yes, this is a big event, in a larger-than-ever setting (Moscone/SF instead of San Jose), and had Jobs not been giving a keynote we would have had reason to doubt previous rumors. But the only thing "new" here is that nothing has changed. Jobs is giving the keynote at WWDC, just as we had presumed many months ago. The press blurb about WWDC mentions developers getting their hands on new technologies and talking with the developers of said technologies, just like it did for last year's WWDC (and, I presume, for previous WWDC's as well? Isn't that the whole point of WWDC?) Even the date for the keynote has been "known" (ie, assumed) for quite some time.

What is the news here? Nothing.

So, this doesn't affect, one way or the other, the likeihood of the 970-based tablet Mac/PDA with international CDMA/GSM cell phone connectivity and realtime 30fps video streaming from the most remote areas of Zimbabwe. That's still obviously going to be announced.

[Mudbug]

w00t!

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Should be a good week. New Harry Potter on Saturday, Steve talking on Monday, and ordering a new 970 PM on Tuesday - which is what some sources have claimed.

What? You'll wait till tuesday to order? What's wrong with Monday morning right after the store comes back up?

[type_r503]

I hope he will announce the 970, there will be a huge let down if there is no new proc.

I guess now we will have to see the stupid Photoshop demos at every keynote again. Ahh, the price we must pay.

[PretendPCuser]

<jest>Versus a P4 3Ghz Tablet PC running Photoshop whilst walking across stage. Midway through the "walkthrough" the plug on the iWalk comes out, it continues to run flawlessly trouncing the tablet PC in the Photoshop test based on a PC based benchmark for Photoshop (if there is such a thing, i thought the only thing PCs benchmarked on was FPS in Quake III with everything turned up! 8P )

"Oh, and one more thing..."

This baby runs on AA batteries!

</jest>

<matrix>How deep down the rabbit whole does the reality distortion field go? Jobs is running his own Matrix!! We've all been preprogrammed to babble about it and then complain about it when it doesn't live up to what we wanted. Cause if it did, we wouldn't believe it to be true, whole crops would be lost...
</matrix>

:rolleyes:

[hacurio1]

YESSS!!!!! 970........Drool:)

[rog]

Well that's a shocker. He always gives the keynote. jeez!

[Xcyridus]

Let's look at the facts:

1. Apple will be previewing Panther
2. Steve-the-man is doing the keynote
3. They're going to be using the Moscone center this time


The PowerMac Extreme fits in there very well. Btw, that's what I'm calling it. The G- names have a slow karma attached to them. :cool:

I wonder if Apple will call it the PowerMac Extreme... probably not. :rolleyes:

[mcrain]

I just hope that this doesn't become a huge disappointment.

Apple, and specifically, Jobs have said they don't want everyone to assume that MWs are the only time hardware is announced, and they have done a pretty good job of releasing things at other times, thus reducing the 'don't buy anything until MW' attitude.

I just hope we don't get all worked up for WWDC, have them release nothing other than demo the new OS, and then a week and a half later, after we've all been upset and said stupid things, have them release new hardware.

Ok, that probably made no sense, but oh well.

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by Mudbug
w00t!
Why does that bother me? Haha...

[Xcyridus]

Originally posted by mcrain
I just hope that this doesn't become a huge disappointment.

Apple, and specifically, Jobs have said they don't want everyone to assume that MWs are the only time hardware is announced, and they have done a pretty good job of releasing things at other times, thus reducing the 'don't buy anything until MW' attitude.

I just hope we don't get all worked up for WWDC, have them release nothing other than demo the new OS, and then a week and a half later, after we've all been upset and said stupid things, have them release new hardware.

Ok, that probably made no sense, but oh well.


Actually that did make sense. I can see everyone making a big stink if it doesn't happen. Either way it would be good. If Apple releases the 970 at WWDC then I don't have to read any complaints.

On the other hand, if it isn't released maybe it'll teach all of you a lesson:

Don't expect anything when your info is based on rumors.

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by Xcyridus

I wonder if Apple will call it the PowerMac Extreme... probably not. :rolleyes:

I sure hope not. Adding the word Extreme is *so* 1999!

From...
Power Mac
to
Power Mac Exterme?
to
Super Power Mac Extreme?
to
Super Power Mac Extreme To The Max?

Let's hope it's just "The New Power Mac."

(I'm not getting my hopes up that they'll be for sale prior to MWSF2004).

[Xcyridus]

Originally posted by Flowbee
I sure hope not. Adding the word Extreme is *so* 1999!

From...
Power Mac
to
Power Mac Exterme?
to
Super Power Mac Extreme?
to
Super Power Mac Extreme To The Max?

Let's hope it's just "The New Power Mac."

(I'm not getting my hopes up that they'll be for sale prior to MWSF2004).

Probably The New PowerMac <something here>.

[robotrenegade]

Come on G5, come to me!

[Rai]

About a month ago, I remember reading some official statement that Steve Jobs was not going to do a keynote presentation at the show. So this is a change for what was scheduled for WWDC.

I can't remember where i read it for the life of me, it might have been at the apple site, under news. Anyway i'll go check around.

[negrito]

i just thought about the apple developers who may read sometime the rumor sites. if they really made a powermac 970 that is faster than all other desktops they would be excited to tell us all the truth when the time has come.
they know what value their developed product has and reading thousands of speculations everyday should make them angry on one hand but also very excited on the other hand because there may be things that are true and things that are wrong. i think they just can't wait to put all in the right light and share their excitement of the product with all others.
it's like a music group who releases a new album to share their very personal things with other people.

i really can imagine how they feel now because they put (if they made the powermac 970) thousands of ours in their product and now it is time to present it and see the reaction. this moment of truth is one of the most exciting moment someone creative can have.

so all the pain and hard work during a long time is backvalued through a small moment...like the applause for an actor...

as our visual design prof said: as an artist you always give much more than what you receive but you feel like confirmed.

[Stike]

Originally posted by Xcyridus
Probably The New PowerMac <something here>.

The New PowerMac Royal Extreme Deluxe TXS? !!! :D

[canadianmacguy]

Originally posted by fuge
Does Mr. Jobs usually kick off this event?

He always does, ever since I've been going and he's been back (which would be since 1997 I think).

Not a biggy, IMHO.

[Groovsonic]

I have to agree with what some people have said.
I hope the 970 mac is announced in june, but if it is not, don't be too suprised or dissapointed. I can see it now... the threads littered with hundreds of messages (probably mostly from newbies, but some older members too) saying things like "I expected to have a 970 PM announced. Thats it, I am buying a dell! Apples are just WAY too slow!!!" I can see it now.
Be hopeful, but don't get your hopes up too much. Then you will be pleasantly suprised at whatever happens.

I can personally say that I will be really glad if they announce the 970PM, not on its own merits (i can't afford a PM right now), but because it will free up the iMac, eMac, and iBook to use faster G3s and G4s. For the time being, that would be great for me. A 1.25 mhz iBook or eMac, or even a 1.42 mhz iMac would be great.

[pbrennen]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
That would fit with what I know about the 970, because it began production not long after the beginning of the year.


What is your source? Has there been any evidence that even the samples (claimed by IBM to be shipping second quarter) are out in the wild?

[springscansing]

Originally posted by Stike
The New PowerMac Royal Extreme Deluxe TXS? !!! :D

Actually Apple will be bought my Capcom, and it will be called Super PowerMac Turbo Alpha IV Championship Edition.

[pretentious]

Does anyone really think SJ would not want to be in a keynote when he announces his new processor? You can tell that he loves his spotlight, why would he ever miss the chance to here all the cheering and screaming his name when he unveils the PM 970?

Also anyone think that this will be streamed during the presentation? or are we going to get the samething we got for the iTunes, and get it streamed afterwards?

I actually kinda preferred the latter.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Xcyridus
Probably The New PowerMac <something here>.



X4

"X" is trendy and better than "G" (although of course "Y" or "Z" would be even better ... but then you get into similarities with things like old "Z28" cars and such ...) "P" would indicate the Power lineage and still be better than "G", but some piddly chip maker has already absconded the "P4" moniker. Any letter before "M" is just too close to "G". Yeah, "X" is the best fit!

"4" to indicate that this is based on the 4th generation PPC (IBM's fourth generation, not Motos), and to keep us in line so that the 980 can be "X5", etc, and to make more sense when "X5" sits next to the XServe Power5 in the Apple lineup ...

The New PowerMac X4.

[animefan_1]

For those people who are excited by the following statement in Apple's PR:

"expanded labs with the latest Mac systems where developers can port and test their code and get technical assistance from the Apple engineers directly responsible for the technologies;"

good news, no statement similar to this was in Apple's press releases for WWDC for the past 3 YEARS!! The only time the talked about hardware or converting platforms or the like was at WWDC 2000 - when they were discussing optimization for AltiVec (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000/march/21wwdc.html)

Also, here's another quote from today's Press Release:

"comprehensive sessions providing a roadmap and technical information on Apple Developer Tools, Application Frameworks, Core OS, Hardware, Graphics and Imaging;..."

notice the words 'roadmap' and 'hardware', hmmm :)

I'm liking this more and more!

[trebblekicked]

Originally posted by jettredmont
The New PowerMac X4.

ew. too close to x86.

i'm not expecting much from WWDC. Steve has done the keynote there before. what about the price of the conference? is that $1500 or so standard fare?

[Flowbee]

<anal> Just a sidenote regarding all of the naming speculation: The Power Mac name is still two words, unlike the PowerBook. </anal>
:D

[sedarby]

Originally posted by pretentious
Does anyone really think SJ would not want to be in a keynote when he announces his new processor? You can tell that he loves his spotlight, why would he ever miss the chance to here all the cheering and screaming his name when he unveils the PM 970?

Also anyone think that this will be streamed during the presentation? or are we going to get the samething we got for the iTunes, and get it streamed afterwards?

I actually kinda preferred the latter.

Imagine the reaction when he DOES NOT announce the 970 PM. Either way the Moscone Center had better be reinforced for the event.

[maradong]

Please let it be the 970 !! and please make them aviable for the powerbooks quite fast :)

[kiwi_the_iwik]

Well - you can DEFINITELY be assured of the new 15" anodised aluminium-encased G4 PowerBook to be on the list of new releases.

What else?!?

1. International distribution for the iTunes Music Store...

2. drop in price for .mac accounts...

3. QuarkExpress 6 FINALLY released...

4. New AppleWorks entitled "iWorks" - better than Office X...

5. iChat FINALLY offers true Video Conferencing facilities...

6. New PPC 970 - but ONLY on High-end Macs...



"...That'll do, pig. That'll do..."

;)

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by Vlade
970 + new nVidia or ATI card previewing Doom 3

/me dreams
Ohhhhh yeah....and I bet Carmack has been in on it for a long time, so Doom III would be optimized for the 970 (no doubt it would take advantage of one). If it supported MPs, we would be the envy (for ONCE!) of the PC gaming world..."Wha?!?!? You only get 90 FPS? What's doing your rendering, a Pantyum 4? BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Please Carmack...I wrote a fable about you in HS, don't disappoint me....

BTW, does "/me dreams" = slash me dreams? Because that's about what we can expect after too much D3.....:eek:

[Stella]

eMacs have just been refreshed and are cheap enough for education authorities. They'll be around for a while.

I'd be really surprised if 970 was not announced. In fact, I'd be heart broken and disillustioned!

Originally posted by Bozola
I predict the following

the end of the CRT based macs
the end of OS9

oh wait that's been done already.. never mind

[pgwalsh]

Did Steve Jobs announce any hardware at WWDC last year?

I imagine that he'll talk about Panther and Apples development tools as well as the number of new developers using OS X. I'm not sure if he'll use the WWDC as a forum to launch his new products. Maybe he will, but I think that would be a bit odd.

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by robotrenegade
Come on G5, come to me!
IT'S NOT A G5!!! AND THOSE AREN'T BUTTONS ON THE SIDE OF THE MOUSE!!!!!!

:p

[yzedf]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Ohhhhh yeah....and I bet Carmack has been in on it for a long time, so Doom III would be optimized for the 970 (no doubt it would take advantage of one). If it supported MPs, we would be the envy (for ONCE!) of the PC gaming world..."Wha?!?!? You only get 90 FPS? What's doing your rendering, a Pantyum 4? BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Please Carmack...I wrote a fable about you in HS, don't disappoint me....

BTW, does "/me dreams" = slash me dreams? Because that's about what we can expect after too much D3.....:eek:
/me = me... it's a unix thing. think of directory structure... /dev/null is my favorite.

~/Pictures etc etc etc

[SilentPanda]

Originally posted by yzedf
/me = me... it's a unix thing. think of directory structure... /dev/null is my favorite.

~/Pictures etc etc etc

Actually I believe that the person that wrote "/me dreams" was referring to IRC where when one would type that it would display in the channel as (if I typed it): SilentPanda dreams.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by Flowbee
<anal> Just a sidenote regarding all of the naming speculation: The Power Mac name is still two words, unlike the PowerBook. </anal>
:D

You are correct. That always annoyed me. It should be PowerMac-one word.

[Xero]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Should be a good week. New Harry Potter on Saturday, Steve talking on Monday, and ordering a new 970 PM on Tuesday - which is what some sources have claimed. That would fit with what I know about the 970, because it began production not long after the beginning of the year.

Now here's the other question: Will Stevie's address be broadcast live from Moscone? Has his WWDC address ever been broadcasted? If not, then it would be a huge development if it was announced that we could got to the Apple store and watch it.

and dont forget... my birthday on the 22nd :D

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Ohhhhh yeah....and I bet Carmack has been in on it for a long time, so Doom III would be optimized for the 970 (no doubt it would take advantage of one). If it supported MPs, we would be the envy (for ONCE!) of the PC gaming world..."Wha?!?!? You only get 90 FPS? What's doing your rendering, a Pantyum 4? BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Please Carmack...I wrote a fable about you in HS, don't disappoint me....

BTW, does "/me dreams" = slash me dreams? Because that's about what we can expect after too much D3.....:eek:

Pretty much all of Carmacks engines support multiple processors, pc or mac. But yes, if the benchmarks we've seen so far ring true, it would be blistering fast on a dual 970 machine

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by maradong
Please let it be the 970 !! and please make them aviable for the powerbooks quite fast :)


YES!! PLEASE!!!

I honestly think/hope that there will be 970 PBs soon. If not, we won't see any really note worthy update to the PowerBooks for some time. I stand by the belief that we're not going to see any kind of a G4 speed bump in the PowerBooks. They're just too hot.

So, it's 970 or bust!!

[tcolling]

Originally posted by SilentPanda
Great... just great... and I'm going to be in an orphanage in Romania where I'll be lucky to have hot water let alone internet access to find out if the 970 is out or not... I guess I can wait though... :) but really... what are the odds?!

Maybe one of the Macrumors posters will adopt you before you have to go back to the orphanage...oh, wait, that's probably not what you meant...

[Seriously] Why are you going over there? Are you adopting a child? [\Seriously]

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by blueBomber
Pretty much all of Carmacks engines support multiple processors, pc or mac. But yes, if the benchmarks we've seen so far ring true, it would be blistering fast on a dual 970 machine
:eek: *BOING*

That's it. I'm getting two jobs when I get to Washington.

Oh dear...........

[Qball]

19" iMacs?

[zach]

Originally posted by Rai
About a month ago, I remember reading some official statement that Steve Jobs was not going to do a keynote presentation at the show. So this is a change for what was scheduled for WWDC.

I can't remember where i read it for the life of me, it might have been at the apple site, under news. Anyway i'll go check around.

You are thinking of MWNY. His Steveness will not be keynoting there. There was never an announcement that His Steveness would not be keynoting WWDC.

[dongmin]

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
Well - you can DEFINITELY be assured of the new 15" anodised aluminium-encased G4 PowerBook to be on the list of new releases.

What else?!?

1. International distribution for the iTunes Music Store...

2. drop in price for .mac accounts...

3. QuarkExpress 6 FINALLY released...

4. New AppleWorks entitled "iWorks" - better than Office X...

5. iChat FINALLY offers true Video Conferencing facilities...

6. New PPC 970 - but ONLY on High-end Macs...


you may be being a bit too optimistic, or insanely expectant. WWDC is a show for developers. Most of the stuff on your list seem to be for consumers. And to be honest, I could really care less about those things when compared to the potential of the 970 release. PPC 970 + Panther64.

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by dongmin
you may be being a bit too optimistic, or insanely expectant. WWDC is a show for developers. Most of the stuff on your list seem to be for consumers. And to be honest, I could really care less about those things when compared to the potential of the 970 release. PPC 970 + Panther64.

but kiwi did mention releasing Quark 6, and this would be a definite good thing for wwdc. Quark being the lagging platform killer app <flame retardant installed - keep back 500 ft.> has a definite realm of interest to developers. Development of Q6 xtensions, and possibly knowing ahead of time to write them to optimize for 64 bit processing could make a world of difference for developers RIGHT NOW. I'm sure folks like extensis and markzware, etc. have a pre-release developer's version/beta of Q6 to develop for, but if it's protocols are going to change soon, it's better to plan for the future.

question - is it just me, or does wwdc look like wwjd at a glance, and if so, do you also think "what would steve do?"

[cubist]

How about some development tools for the iPod? That'd be something worth announcing at WWDC...

<fantasy>especially for the video iPod with 8" diagonal LCD screen and full organizer capabilities</fantasy>

I'm beginning to think we won't see 970s at WWDC - or ever. IBM won't sell them. The G4 is the end. Apple will move into portable devices, discontinue the Power Mac (two words) and eventually everything but the eMac and iBook will dwindle away.

[animefan_1]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Did Steve Jobs announce any hardware at WWDC last year?

I imagine that he'll talk about Panther and Apples development tools as well as the number of new developers using OS X. I'm not sure if he'll use the WWDC as a forum to launch his new products. Maybe he will, but I think that would be a bit odd.


He didn't launch any new hardware @ WWDC 2002, but he did release the 17" LCD Studio Display (and kill the CRT as well) at WWDC 2001. He also introduced the 'Lombard' PB at WWDC 1999. So a Power Mac 970/G5 may actually be possible.

Hey! - Notice a pattern? '99, '01, '03??
:)

[Flowbee]

The move to the Moscone center leads me to believe that it will be more than just a Panther preview.

[zach]

Originally posted by cubist
How about some development tools for the iPod? That'd be something worth announcing at WWDC...

<fantasy>especially for the video iPod with 8" diagonal LCD screen and full organizer capabilities</fantasy>

I'm beginning to think we won't see 970s at WWDC - or ever. IBM won't sell them. The G4 is the end. Apple will move into portable devices, discontinue the Power Mac (two words) and eventually everything but the eMac and iBook will dwindle away.

God, I hope not..........

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Ohhhhh yeah....and I bet Carmack has been in on it for a long time, so Doom III would be optimized for the 970 (no doubt it would take advantage of one).

Please Carmack...I wrote a fable about you in HS, don't disappoint me....


:) Hi John. Email me. You suspect who I am :)

Rocketman

http://www.v-serv.com/-upload/avatar.jpg

[mkaake]

no no no. you guys have it all wrong. the next powermac's new name is going to be:

Lisa 3k!

can you see it??

oh, and there won't be any 970 at WWDC. That's so last month. No, Steve is going to bring out the 1940 128 bit processor in a new 'Lisa 3k' case thats' only 5 inches by 5 inches. it'll be like the next cube, but without the cube stigma... lisa works much better, don't you think?

matt

[cevin]

Sad that it wount be broadcasted live with QT during the Keynote. It probobly be broadcasted a week later just as with Phils keynote at NAB.

Im a ADC Student Member but couldn't go in may due to finals (June is already bocked with a fulltime summerjob). Im hoping that ADC TV will bring all the good stuff upp fast though, but ADC haven´t been quick before so... And its a lot of sessions compress an add, so I rreally don't blame them. Im just whishing. Thats all I have time for now anyway.

[steve53e]

how about: PowerMac 970X

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by steve53e
how about: PowerMac 970X

I don't think Steve Jobs like numbers in product names. It somehow makes them more pc like, and therefore, less friendly

[mkaake]

Originally posted by blueBomber
I don't think Steve Jobs like numbers in product names. It somehow makes them more pc like, and therefore, less friendly

but surely you must admit that there is something to be said for the lisa 3k.... i mean, it's golden! bread and butter! how could you go wrong with a name like lisa??

matt

[usersince86]

I think it's time to drop the word "Power"... even though there will be significantly more of it when the 970 arrives (which will probably be at LEAST July; could be announced at WWDC).

Maybe just, "introducing the new Macintosh from Apple".

(Jeff Goldblum voice?)

[tazznb]

Originally posted by jettredmont
X4

"X" is trendy and better than "G" (although of course "Y" or "Z" would be even better ... but then you get into similarities with things like old "Z28" cars and such ...) "P" would indicate the Power lineage and still be better than "G", but some piddly chip maker has already absconded the "P4" moniker. Any letter before "M" is just too close to "G". Yeah, "X" is the best fit!

"4" to indicate that this is based on the 4th generation PPC (IBM's fourth generation, not Motos), and to keep us in line so that the 980 can be "X5", etc, and to make more sense when "X5" sits next to the XServe Power5 in the Apple lineup ...

The New PowerMac X4.



Introducing the new..... POWERMACH-X

Y'know... Mac.... Mach (Mach 1 - 5 speed):cool:

[eric_n_dfw]

FWIW, The PowerBook name outdates the PowerPC, does it not? As I understand, it's a conjunction of Power and NoteBook. Power Mac on the other hand is short for "PowerPC Macintosh" or simply "Power Macintosh" So, IMO, Power Mac should be two words and PowerBook should be one - just as they are.

That being said, I also hope the next gen' Mac named something new - I like the simplicity of Macintosh III myself.
Macintosh: 1st "user friendly" computer*
Macintosh II: added color and a host of upgradability options.
Power Macintosh: moved us into the PowerPC days.
Macintosh III: ushers in a new level in performance and is the 1st, mass market 64 Bit desktop computer


*I say 1st user friendly computer with my teeth gritted as I would argue that the Amiga, in those days, had the Mac beat in many ways - Mac quickly overtook, however.

[eric_n_dfw]

...or we could move to another variety of Apple all together, how about one of these:
CORTLAND - probably to close to "Copeland", eh?
EMPIRE - yeah, sure, this one would go over well :rolleyes:
FUJI - Cool! They could have cases shaped life Mt. Fuji too! - Okay, not-cool.
GALA - Um, no.
GOLDEN DELICIOUS - sure, this could be the new name for the XServes and Pro machines and RED DELICIOUS for the iMacs!
GRANNY SMITH - I think "Granny" should be what we call the the current line due to it's dog slow FSB
MACOUN - I kind of like it, but it's a bit like Macaroon - which gives connotations of being "nuts"
JONAGOLD, JONATHAN or STAYMAN WINESAP - okay, these are just weird!
McINTOSH - remember, this name probably sounded just as stupid in the early 80's


Okay those all suck - Macintosh III it is. Apple, you can send the check for my research or direct deposit, which ever is easier for you! ;)

[barkmonster]

They sold the TiBook on it being 'sexy', why not do the same thing again :D

(Darkangel fans will understand!)

[caveman_uk]

Someone's most likely said it but what about Powermac 64 or is that a bit too much like Commodore 64 (Yes I am that old :( )

I want more powerful mac CPUs just as much as the next geek but I think it's a good idea people don't start expecting too much. A performance boost at the same clock speed as a G4 would be great but from a marketing point of view getting near the clockspeeds of the P4 and athlons would be better.
I've got this scary feeling that the current powermacs are as cheap as you're going to see them and that the 970 ones are going to be pretty damn expensive....

[animefan_1]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
Someone's most likely said it but what about Powermac 64 or is that a bit too much like Commodore 64 (Yes I am that old :( )

I want more powerful mac CPUs just as much as the next geek but I think it's a good idea people don't start expecting too much. A performance boost at the same clock speed as a G4 would be great but from a marketing point of view getting near the clockspeeds of the P4 and athlons would be better.
I've got this scary feeling that the current powermacs are as cheap as you're going to see them and that the 970 ones are going to be pretty damn expensive....

I tend to disagree with that. When Apple went from the B&W G3 to the G4 prices changed as follows: (G3)- 1599, 1999, 2499, 2999. (G4)- 1599, 1999, 2799, 3499. As you can see, the lower two models had the same price, while the upper two models increased $300, and $500, respectively. For this reason, I do agree with you that they will be more costly, but I don't think they'll be "pretty damn expensive". Also, from Apple's POV, if they increase the starting price too much no one will buy the computers, so they HAVE to keep prices at a fairly constant level from generation to generation (even when changing processors).

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by animefan_1
I tend to disagree with that. When Apple went from the B&W G3 to the G4 prices changed as follows: (G3)- 1599, 1999, 2499, 2999. (G4)- 1599, 1999, 2799, 3499. As you can see, the lower two models had the same price, while the upper two models increased $300, and $500, respectively. For this reason, I do agree with you that they will be more costly, but I don't think they'll be "pretty damn expensive". Also, from Apple's POV, if they increase the starting price too much no one will buy the computers, so they HAVE to keep prices at a fairly constant level from generation to generation (even when changing processors).

Isn't is possible that with a processor manufacturing powerhouse like IBM instead of Moto, that the price per chip could actually be less? I think if this thing really does see the light of day in a few months, pricing may be LESS than they are now, at least in the range of the G3's at debut, if not less. I'm all kinds of game for a dual 1.8 970 for ~ $2599 and a single 1.4 970 for ~ $999. Suddenly Apple would be a competitive player again, instead of playing catchup both in speed and pricing.

[blueBomber]

Originally posted by Mudbug
Isn't is possible that with a processor manufacturing powerhouse like IBM instead of Moto, that the price per chip could actually be less? I think if this thing really does see the light of day in a few months, pricing may be LESS than they are now, at least in the range of the G3's at debut, if not less. I'm all kinds of game for a dual 1.8 970 for ~ $2599 and a single 1.4 970 for ~ $999. Suddenly Apple would be a competitive player again, instead of playing catchup both in speed and pricing.

yes, in an ideal market. However, Apple is well known for having huge mark-ups on their products, so I don't think this trend will change. They do have to maintain profitability in a 3% market, which does not promote lower prices.

[rog]

I totally agree. Demand for the next leap in performance is very high and they will charge accordingly even if the chips were to be free. I think we'll definitely see $3500 on the top end. And the low end 970 will probably be seriously hobbled in some way ala the Yikes G4 350 that had no AGP and now can't use Quartz Extreme or modern decent video cards.

[dstranathan]

Originally posted by Vlade
970 + new nVidia or ATI card previewing Doom 3

/me dreams

AMEN.

(my credit card quivers in the corner)

[kiwi_the_iwik]

How about Mac**n?

i.e. Mac to the Power of n...


If n=3, then it it'd be the Power Mac Cubed...



The return of an old friend, maybe?!?

;)

[animefan_1]

Originally posted by rog
I totally agree. Demand for the next leap in performance is very high and they will charge accordingly even if the chips were to be free. I think we'll definitely see $3500 on the top end. And the low end 970 will probably be seriously hobbled in some way ala the Yikes G4 350 that had no AGP and now can't use Quartz Extreme or modern decent video cards.

I dont think that we'll see a price increase THAT high. $2699 to $3499??? NO. There will be an increase, i assume, but not THAT drastic.

[JupiterZen]

Originally posted by onemilkid
We gonna party like it's my birthday.

23rd is actually my 23rd birthday, so if steve o. present me an 2,3 GHz PowerMac with 2,3 Gig Ram for 2300 DeutschMarks (Euros would be to much) I'll take at least one.

Make my day Steve

I believe you make a good chance

23 (http://yiri.maniac.com/23.html)

:cool:

[chrysrobyn]

Originally posted by jettredmont
X4
"4" to indicate that this is based on the 4th generation PPC (IBM's fourth generation, not Motos), and to keep us in line so that the 980 can be "X5", etc, and to make more sense when "X5" sits next to the XServe Power5 in the Apple lineup ...

The New PowerMac X4.

I guess I lost count... here's how I thought it went
G1: PowerPC 601 -- while not specifically a PowerPC other than by name, it's typically referred to as the first generation. It's not legitimately PowerPC because it actually supports Power instructions not in the PowerPC specification and does not support at least 3 (I don't remember which ones) that are PowerPC.
G2: PowerPC 603 -- Some contention here. 603 was a little step over 602, which was basically just the 601 that was fully PowerPC. You can argue however you want.
G3: PowerPC 740/750 -- derived from the 603, modified of course. We all know it's the G3.
G4: PowerPC 7400 and beyond -- derived from the 7xx processors, Motorola proprietary design, IBM has fabbed some.

Hypothetical kicks in here...
You suggest X4 for IBM's 4th generation of PowerPC. Why doesn't the PowerPC 620 count? (they actually went in commercial machines, people, look up Bull Computers)... Rumored PowerPC 615 was cancelled due to internal and/or external politics, so it doesn't count... what is the PowerPC 604? G2.5? How about the PowerPC 630 and derivatives? Those were all designed with IBM help (at the minimum) and fabbed by them. So, what is special about the 970 that makes it only the 4th generation?

Perhaps you mean "4th generation of IBM PowerPC that Apple has sold". Wow, that would be confusing. I won't disagree that G5 may be in appropriate, but Apple can call it what they want ("you call it Alitvec, I call it Velocity, let's call the whole thing off"). In my opinion, this processor is significantly different from the G4, and better in many (most?) respects. Continuing to call it part of the 4th generation because it's derived from the Power4, the 4th generation of Power processors is a little shortsighted.

Heck, it's only a name, I don't know why I argue :)

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by chrysrobyn
I guess I lost count... here's how I thought it went
G1: PowerPC 601 -- while not specifically a PowerPC other than by name, it's typically referred to as the first generation. It's not legitimately PowerPC because it actually supports Power instructions not in the PowerPC specification and does not support at least 3 (I don't remember which ones) that are PowerPC.I have never heard this before - interesting.
Originally posted by chrysrobyn
G4: PowerPC 7400 and beyond -- derived from the 7xx processors, Motorola proprietary design, IBM has fabbed some.Um, not from what I have heard. The 7400 series is based on the 604 (604e?) core, not the 603 or G3/750 core. It's not just a G3 with AltiVec bolted on.

BTW - G5 would work simply because most people (ie: non-geeks like us) don't have a clue who makes the chip inside and could care less what Motorola or IBM generation the chip is. To them, it's the 5th generation Power Mac.

[BaghdadBob]

Also from a marketing standpoint it might be advantageous to point out that this is a brand new beast clearly with a distinct namesake to build from.

But what do we know? Apple probably has a name to prove us all wrong at the same time :D

[chrysrobyn]

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
I have never heard this before - interesting.
Um, not from what I have heard. The 7400 series is based on the 604 (604e?) core, not the 603 or G3/750 core. It's not just a G3 with AltiVec bolted on.

I understand that you believe the 604 produced the 7400, but please allow me to provide some reasoning for my belief:
Performance-wise, the 604 was superior to the 603 in any way they were different. It had more execution units and a vastly superior floating point unit. When Arthur (740/750) came out, it was superior to the 603 in every way, but there were specific tasks, like floating point, where the 604 still rocked the kasbah. A 300MHz 750, if I recall correctly, was still underperforming in floating point to the 200MHz 604. So, this checks out -- it's reasonable to say the 750 came from 603, but not 604.

When the 7400 came out, there were small specific tasks where it outperformed the 750 (outside of Altivec code, which of course rocked Arthur's world). By and large, however, the 750 performed basically the same as a 7400. This helps me believe my opinion. I've read elsewhere that the 7400 was 603 derived, but borrowed a few elements from the 604 to help it do better than 750 -- in the real world, they were basically the same (setting aside Altivec for a moment).

If you're migrating a processor design from an old technology, it is far easier to only have to go one technology -- otherwise, you have to re-fix up your design each time you shrink. It would therefore be easier to take the 750 which was already migrated forward than the 604 which was 2 technologies behind. Power consumption was an issue with these processors -- the 7400 had to eventually go in laptops, and Moto's market is pretty power conscious. Due to the sheer amount of logic, the 603 derived 7400 (by way of the 750) would consume more power than a 604 derived 7400.

Please don't mistake me for someone who wouldn't have wanted to see a 604 derived 750 or 7400. I actually feel kinda cheated that the airplane DVD people and Moto's embedded customers are so important that we had to end the 604 family with Mach 5. (I've heard about a Mach 7 design that was shot down at Somerset that was basically the 604 with all the enhancements that took the 603 to the 750, so Mach 7 would have been like Arthur except with better floating point and execution.)

But I digress. I don't mean to belittle the 7400 by calling it 750 derived. It's certainly more than a 750 with Altivec bolted on -- but I think that would be the easiest way to explain that to a lay person. Altivec did so much for PowerPC non-server space that I don't think even saying that the "7400 was a 750 with Altivec bolted on" would be belittling in any way.

It appears that the 970 is a simplified Power4. If you want to get technical, therefore, shouldn't it be considered derived from generation 3.5 of the Power family?

Because I think the 970 will be much better than the 74xx family in most respects, I think it's reasonable to call it G5 from Apple's marketting perspective.

[DakotaGuy]

From a marketing perspective, G5 makes the most sense to consumers. It keeps it in the "family" If I walk into an Apple store and I see a G4 and a G5, I know the G5 is better. Also Steve will like the idea if he can get the G5 out before the P5 comes out, so it looks like he is ahead.

What I DON'T want Apple to do is to get into the confusing model numbers....does anyone remember this....

6100, 7100, 8100, 6500, 8600, etc....etc....etc.....

What a mess!

Power Mac G3
Power Mac G4
Power Mac G5

Now that is much better!

[BaghdadBob]

Except that's my point, it's not in the family anymore. If you give it a name that is clearly more impressive than G4 you make it obvious that it's not only better, but also not some incremental improvement like with the Pentiums.

And you don't want to be equated with the Pentiums, because if people see 1.8 GHz G5 and 3.4 GHz P5, then it really doesn't look like we're ahead. It really has to have a name that separates it from the Pentium race, IMO. After all, it's not even in the same ballpark anymore.

Howzabout they call it "Blue"? Ya know, as in "Big Blue"?

I've got an idea...I'll start a new thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26710) on this.

[alcofire3474]

Okay for sure 10.3 aka Panther will be shown off at WWDC, correct. Now as I understand it Panther is made for 64-bit processing. The 970 is a 64-bit processor. These products go hand in hand. Now how exciting would it be to see the OS without seeing the real power of it while it is run on a machine using a 64-bit processor. To me it is a given the Apple will FOR SURE demo Panther on a Mac with a 970 in it. Now they say that Panther is not expected until August or September so we may have to wait for the 970 Macs until then, but I also believe that Apple will be releasing both PowerMacs and PowerBooks with the 970 because of Steve's "Year of the Notebook" comment at MWSF 2003. How would this be the "Year of the Notebook" without a release of the 970 in a notebook? When Apple releases the PowerBook 970 I can assure you I will be the first in line to buy it. COME ON WWDC. Steve, impress the pc world again.