Microsoft

[arn]

Spymac (http://www.spymac.com) gave a heads up on a Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33198-2002Mar3.html) that reports Microsoft may threaten to pull Windows:

Microsoft Corp. plans to argue in court hearings next week that if antitrust sanctions sought by state prosecutors are granted, the company would be forced to pull its latestWindows computeroperating systems off the market and be unable to develop new systems.

[mischief]

"Either you shut up about the Deathcamps or I shoot all the prisoners!!!!"

[edenwaith]

Ah, we can only wish. While it would be great to see Microsoft shoot itself on purpose, I just don't see it happening.

And as the article also mentions, M$ is trying to say they can't write their OS's which don't integrate some of their programs like IE. Yeah, right. Mac OS and Linux seem to work just fine without a browser built into them!

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by mischief
"Either you shut up about the Deathcamps or I shoot all the prisoners!!!!"


Shoot! Shoot! Shoot! It would be just our luck that the gun wouldn't be loaded, though...

[Hemingray]

Holy crap! An answer to prayer!! Can we say GOLD MINE? I think if that happened Apple would DEFINITELY port OS X to the PC platform. :D

[AlphaTech]

I'll provide the bullets if you need more mischief :D...

DOWN WITH BILL GATES!!!

Even if they yank windows, they will still have the hexbox...

[mischief]

I dream of the day my young (as yet unconcieved) child asks me:"Dad, Why does Microsoft have "soft" in their name if they only do Hardware?":D

[eyelikeart]

what do u think would happen if they were ordered to take the remains off shelves all over the world?

would Windoze become a black-market product?

even though I'd love the benefits for Apple, I don't think the world is ready to embrace Mac OS X as their their computers saviors just yet...

[mischief]

It's an...open....source.....world!!!!!!:D :D

Linux and Unix and X, Oh My!Linux and Unix and X, Oh My!Linux and Unix and X, Oh My!


The old ones speak of a dark time when one man controlled the minds of many and all the world trembled at his shoddy software.

[AmbitiousLemon]

all joking aside (and mischief thats some funny stuff) its pretty interesting that microsoft has reponded to an antitrust suit by trying to level its power as a monopoly in order to blackmail the people who are saying ms is acting improperly.

i mean what more proof do people need that ms does not play nicely?

[TechLarry]

Ok, so what's the problem :)

-Larry

Originally posted by arn
Spymac (http://www.spymac.com) gave a heads up on a Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33198-2002Mar3.html) that reports Microsoft may threaten to pull Windows:

Microsoft Corp. plans to argue in court hearings next week that if antitrust sanctions sought by state prosecutors are granted, the company would be forced to pull its latestWindows computeroperating systems off the market and be unable to develop new systems.

[Mirus]

Babies!

This is rediculous. You know Billy's just saying that so the court will go light on him. "If I can't play by my rules I don't want to play at all"...

Kind of reminds me of a friend back in high school that would do *"the wave" with the Shogun board because he was losing...

* Lifting one side of the board and shacking it sending the pieces flying...

[Gelfin]

Awwww *sniffle*

Somebody's clearly been reading Atlas Shrugged (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451191145/qid=1015273738/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-2498126-3694448) lately. I'd love to see the looks on faces in Microsoft's boardroom when depriving us of Windows doesn't "stop the motor of the world."

[Timothy]

This is beautiful...MS is attempting to use the same techniques on the courts that it has used for years in the marketplace.

Here's to hoping that the courts recognize this as well, and take it for what it is: further evidence of a monopoly that has grown too powerful for the good of the marketplace.

[dantec]

Altough we might lose Office v.X. in the process (Apple would launch a Mac OS X for windoze), any remaining Mac related people of the company would leave and then come back to apple... :)
Appleworks 7 is coming baby!

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by arn
Spymac (http://www.spymac.com) gave a heads up on a Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33198-2002Mar3.html) that reports Microsoft may threaten to pull Windows:

Microsoft Corp. plans to argue in court hearings next week that if antitrust sanctions sought by state prosecutors are granted, the company would be forced to pull its latestWindows computeroperating systems off the market and be unable to develop new systems.


The judge should simply say, "Okay."

Rocketman

[barvow]

Originally posted by Gelfin
Awwww *sniffle*

Somebody's clearly been reading Atlas Shrugged (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451191145/qid=1015273738/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-2498126-3694448) lately. I'd love to see the looks on faces in Microsoft's boardroom when depriving us of Windows doesn't "stop the motor of the world."


Gelfin...I think it's more like "Nerdboy Shrugged". If Gates ever read "Atlas Shrugged", it was probably the "Ayn Rand for Dummies" version. He probably crossed out John Gault every time it appears and wrote in "Little Billy Gates". I can just see him arguing that "A=A" means that Windows can't be written with Internet Explorer disabled. :)

[me hate windows]

why are you guys talking about Bill being in trouble. he is not even the CEO anymore. he is head of software or something like that. I think that the reason he stepped down was because he knew something likt this was going to happen and he didn't want to be sued along with the company. But, what ever, I just hope that MS won't make Windows anymore. If they didn't then all of those PC companies would die, or they would have to use Linux, or Apple could port OS X. Then it would be like the clone thing all over. He would stop licensing it after a year and Apple would be almost the only thing on the market to buy. Or it could be very disastrous, someone could make a new OS and everyone would use that because lot's of those Windows people hate using Macs, and when I ask them what they would do if Microsoft went down the hole, they say they might not even use a computer anymore because they hate apple so much. Oh well, gotta go to school.:(

[Mirus]

*gasp* IBM could bring OS/2 back (OS/3?) with a Linux core. Basically OS X for PCs...

[gandalf55]

would the world be worse off by not having to updgrade their stink OS all the time? i think not.

agreed. To the Judge... call M$'s bluff. Say, "okay,"

and then watch everyone at M$ fill their pants with turds.

[JOHNGAETANO]

The world is made of of tough talkers, who are really a bunch of babies. This will never happen in a million years. No one has the balls to say, "ok Bill, pull Windows off the shelf"

JOHN

[barkmonster]

I'd like to see the judge not only say "Okay, do it!" but I'd like to see in enforced to the point where Micro$oft employee's responsible for it's marketing and distribution end up in prison if it doesn't happen on a world wide scale. Now that would be good. I wonder if apple have kept that Intel compatable OS X on the back burner or maybe they could start at the beginning again and give the intel boxes "startrek" (the codename for the unreleased intel compatable version of the Mac OS).

[Xapplimatic]

Hear no windows, speak no windows, see no windows..

I only wish it were true.. But this is really just the wailing of a bad kid having a temper tantrum in court because it isn't getting its way..

[elgruga]

The world will not be safe until billy gates and his crowd are in jail.
Joke?
No.
There are secrets at M$ that will eventually make Enron look like Winona Ryder's shoplifting charge.

Hard time for Billy-boy!

Evidence? No, I dont have any. Well evidence doesnt seem to work in the M$ anti-trust case, so why bother with it.

Lynch 'em, boys!

[AlphaTech]

get a rope.... I have one actually that I would gladly donate :D

[Spart]

If this happens I'll crap my pants, suck my own ****, and miserably watch as apple tries to produce enough imacs for 95% or so of the market.

[G4scott]

m$ is trying to do this to scare the government, and the economy. They know that most of the technology in the US is dependent on windoze, and that if they pull out, there will be chaos. They're also trying to make it look like they're the ones being picked on. m$ is acting like a poorly raised child. I can see a scandal/bankrupcy/disaster bigger than the enron screwup.

m$ has built up windoze by making a cheap copy of the Mac, and patching it beyond all reason and logic. When m$ goes out, it's going to be with a bang. The longer they wait with this anti-trust settlement, the more people are going to hate them and try to sue them. They stole so much technology, and used so many bad 'ethical' business practices, that even though their marketing is great, they no longer have anything worthwile to market. .Net is going to go down the drain, because there is not one internet strategy that can cater to everyone's personal needs. IT DOESN'T EXIST!

As for Apple porting os X to the x86 platform, it may be a good idea or not. First, tons of people would have to embrace it. Apple could change it around to work better for people accustomed to windoze, and then slowly, make the true Mac version a lot better, and stop updating the PC one, so that people would then just buy a Mac. The only thing about this, is that in 5 years or so, people may not even care about what OS they use, just as long as it does what people want it to do.

I just feel that m$ is going to fall, and it's going to affect every one of us. Elgruga is right, they will make enron look like petty shoplifting. Brace yourself guys, as mac people, we're going to have to tough it out, and hang on to what we love, and that's our beloved Macs :-)

[teabgs]

I dont think it will happen. Even though it would be the greatest thing in the world for microsoft to stop windows. But ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH I WISH

[Rower_CPU]

There has been a program called IEradicator from some guys at 98lite.net that has been able clean IE out from every version from 95 to 2000.
Some dudes can provide a FREE solution that MS says is impossible and would cripple their company to implement...ridiculous!!!

Gates and Ballmer have plagued the world long enough with thier monopolistic enforcement of sub-par software!
I really hope the judge sees this bullying tactic for what it is and calls their bluff!

[teabgs]

What if Microsoft bought the judge?! That bastard Bill would do it too. GRRR.....I hate microsoft. they're always up to something.

Someone should be standing by the courthouse to get Evil Gates with another pie if they win.

Anyone remember the pie? That was great. I wish I still had that video clip...

[Onyxx]

i remember the pie, i also remember "monkey-boy balmer". when i played that clip, people literally left the room screaming.

It would be amazing if the judge called their bluf. I would crap my pants on the spot and run around to everyone who has ever told me that the mac was doomed just to say "windblows finally sucked itself dry and left you nothing. bwaaaaaa ha ha ha"

to bad its only speculation.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Onyxx
i remember the pie, i also remember "monkey-boy balmer". when i played that clip, people literally left the room screaming.


Check out Maccomedy.com (http://maccomedy.com) for all your "monkey-boy Ballmer" and Bill Gates pieing goodness. I try to watch the Ballmer music video at least once a monthto remind me of what we're up against...scary...[shiver]

[Gelfin]

"Why, no, Your Honor, we aren't an abusive monopoly, and to prove it, we'll let you hand us one of the few markets we don't totally control. No, no, of COURSE this isn't a none-too-subtle attempt to bribe the US political machine with free stuff for the underfunded educational system.

"What's that you say? The public overwhelmingly saw through... I mean... misunderstood our intentions (which are, of course, totally pure)? I just can't believe the American public are that intellig... er.. cynical.

"Well, I'll tell you what. If government-sanctioned strengthening of our position in the educational market isn't enough to allay concerns that we are an abusive monopoly, then we'll just be forced to pull our product off the market.

"No of COURSE that isn't a threat. If we thought pulling our product off the market was a threat that would not only be practically an admission that we are a monopoly and we know it, but it would also mean that we are stupid enough to actually wield that monopoly power against the very court which is currently investigating our alleged abusive monopolistic behavior. I mean, how arrogant would that be?"

[Hiram]

This is like the rich kid in school that says his class mates can no longer play with his stuff if they don't bring their sisters.

I really hope (but don't expect) that Microsoft will go through with this, and we'll be rid of the ugliest, stupidest, most expensive general use OS in history.

Have you actually seen XP? It makes your eyes hurt.

[OSeXy!]

I hope the prosecution has some nous and figures out how to use this ridiculous, self-incriminating statement against Gates.

Anyone know anything about anti-trust law? Any chance that Gates will be forcibly relieved of his ill-gotten gains if M$ loses? Windoze pulled + Bill broke: now that would do a huge amount to renew my faith in justice!

[Macmaniac]

The Messiah has come! M$ will shoot itself! We may be entering a great new era!

[dantec]

The court will force M$ to stop windoze, but force them to provide funding for the BeOS... No no, that actually was a bad idea, cause then M$ would acutally "have" a good OS!

[mcrain]

Originally posted by Spart
If this happens .... and miserably watch as apple tries to produce enough imacs for 95% or so of the market.

I don't mean to be negative, but Microsoft is in trouble because it has the majority of the market and has as part of its software an internet browser. Because a PC has to have an operating system, microsoft put their browser bundled with their OS. As such, competitors had a hard time convincing consumers to buy a product to replace something they already had.

Now, imagine if Apple stepped up to the plate and increased its market share. What happens then?

No offense, but if Apple held 95% of the market now, the case against it for antitrust violations would be far easier than the one against microsoft. Apple bundles all of the i-software in with its OS. It also requires hardware it sells rather than working on competitor's hardware.

If the planets align and Microsoft's stranglehold on the computermarket ends, Apple will have to be very careful to avoid getting hit with the same problems MS is fasing now.

Now that the lawyer in me has spoken, I have something personal to say. ******* M$.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by mcrain


I don't mean to be negative, but Microsoft is in trouble because it has the majority of the market and has as part of its software an internet browser. Because a PC has to have an operating system, microsoft put their browser bundled with their OS. As such, competitors had a hard time convincing consumers to buy a product to replace something they already had.

Now, imagine if Apple stepped up to the plate and increased its market share. What happens then?

No offense, but if Apple held 95% of the market now, the case against it for antitrust violations would be far easier than the one against microsoft. Apple bundles all of the i-software in with its OS. It also requires hardware it sells rather than working on competitor's hardware.

If the planets align and Microsoft's stranglehold on the computermarket ends, Apple will have to be very careful to avoid getting hit with the same problems MS is fasing now.

Now that the lawyer in me has spoken, I have something personal to say. ******* M$.

No offense, but bundling and integrating are two completely different things. MS integrated IE into the OS and wouldn't let OEMs take its shortcut off the desktop until recently. The iApps are not integrated, if you don't like them, trash them and use something else.

[mcrain]

You are absolutely correct in that M$ integrated its software so that computer makers couldn't remove them, and that Apple does not do that, however, my point is still valid. If Apple becomes the dominant force in the consumer level computer market (however unlikely), it will have an enormous target on its back, just as M$ has now.

Not because Apple is bad, or is doing something that is wrong, but because it would be the deepest pockets. (Speaking from experience, attorneys salivate when a client comes in and wants to sue a defendant with deep pockets)

Luckily, now that I work for the big bad wolf, the depth of your pockets doesn't mean anything to us. We'll squeeze the turnip so hard, blood will come out! So, remember to pay your taxes!

[mcrain]

Quick second post -

As for the turnip post, I'm kidding of course. ;-)

[mischief]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Check out Maccomedy.com (http://maccomedy.com) for all your "monkey-boy Ballmer" and Bill Gates pieing goodness. I try to watch the Ballmer music video at least once a monthto remind me of what we're up against...scary...[shiver]

Wow. It'looks like Bill is standing offstage with a gun to his Daughter's head or something. This guy is FREAKED OUT. I think Ballmer doesn't make an efficient Gerbles. Bill needs a more compitant showman to run his Youth Camps.....er.....Developer conferences.

[rekras]

whatever happens, im sure as soon as this article is released microsoft's stock is going to plumet.

[MacMan4Life]

Even if M$ was to pull windows and Apple was somehow able to aquire 80% of the computer market, they would not be an illegal monopoly. M$ used bad acts and bad faith when establishing its greed infested monopoly. However, if apple was able to get that market share by their merits then it is legal.

If anyone is curious about the details on M$ check it out here straight from the department of Justice http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm

[Six]

so this means they are admiting that their new software is doing the things that the states are sueing for???? SOUNDS LIKE A CONFESSION!!! DOWN WITH MS

[DakotaGuy]

M$ is going to fall sooner or later. I don't think M$ is actually going to pull Windows from the market, doing so would be sucide to the company. They are just saying this to put fear into the court and full judges heads with the question "What if?"

Do we need M$ to survive in the computing world? Hell no. Would the pulling of Windows off the market cause some chaos? Yep! Sure, Apple would benefit from this happening. In fact, if Windows was pulled MacOSX would take over for sure. It makes the most sense for users of all types from small businesses, govt, schools, consumers. The large corporate people would stay with and move more to Unix and Linux.

My question is Would Apple be ready for it? I think so, but the world would be in choas. Everyone would panic...What now? What happens to this new fleet of systems I just bought? People would be forced to switch and for most the MacOS is the only comparable system choice for 90% of consumers.

Apple would have to license clones. There is no way they could supply that amount of software and hardware. If they did not license clones, they would still gain market share, but the other PC builders would jump to someone else that would license their OS and Apple would be where it is today.

I don't know if they would have to port the OS to Intel and AMD however. They could also license the PowerPC to the companies. If they did this...imagine what would happen to IBM, Apple and Moto and what would happen to our friends over at Intel?

I think Apple hardware would sell well as long as they were seen as the best as they are now, but if there were clones with OSX and a PowerPC with a lower price tag, it would lure a lot of buyers if Windows was to exit. The key here is to license a limited number of companies. For example if Apple, IBM, and Sony all got the license to build PowerPC's with OSX that would be enough to claim the market share. Let Dell, Gateway, and HP/Compaq rot away, which would happen if they were to loose Windows.

Just my thoughts on this...

[JJohnston62]

I don't get it.
Microsoft has available an imbedded version of Windows 2k and XP for building into other devices beyond personal computers.

Go to the MSFT site and search under "embedded".

So, they can build a version of windows which doesn't include all this other stuff, like instant messaging, Passport, IE, but at the same time claim that Windows won't run without it?

I don't get it.

[Rower_CPU]

It's called "talking out of two sides of your mouth".
Tout your ability to make an OS for embedded use when it's convenient (profitable), and claim the impossibility of removing IE when your ass is on the line with the DoJ.

[OSeXy!]

Originally posted by MacMan4Life
Even if M$ was to pull windows and Apple was somehow able to aquire 80% of the computer market, they would not be an illegal monopoly. M$ used bad acts and bad faith when establishing its greed infested monopoly. However, if apple was able to get that market share by their merits then it is legal.

If anyone is curious about the details on M$ check it out here straight from the department of Justice http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm

Thanks for the link. Makes for a surprisingly interesting read, even written in legalese. The last few clauses are especially damning of the whole M$ enterprise:

"36. Neither the antitrust laws nor this action seeks to inhibit Microsoft from competing on the merits by innovation or otherwise. Rather, the Complaint challenges only Microsoft's concerted attempts to maintain its monopoly in operating systems and to achieve dominance in other markets, not by innovation and other competition on the merits, but by tie-ins, exclusive dealing contracts, and other anticompetitive agreements that deter innovation, exclude competition, and rob customers of their right to choose among competing alternatives."

etc... etc...

So seedy! So true!

Isn't it great to be a Mac-Head? The other side probably has no idea what they're missing!

[Bart]

They should use a pie fresh from the freezer. It'll work much better then the one they've used before

[Wry Cooter]

Originally posted by barkmonster
I'd like to see the judge not only say "Okay, do it!" but I'd like to see in enforced to the point where Micro$oft employee's responsible for it's marketing and distribution end up in prison if it doesn't happen on a world wide scale.

World Wide? Unfortunately, I don't think the DOJ could do diddly about Microsofts operations in other countries, where they could buy the governments three times over.

[teiz]

Ah, you pathetic people. There's nothing wrong with windows... In fact lately I prefer my PC over my mac. OS X really sucks, it's slow and it's incompatible. Just stop fooling yourself. And all the software developers (adobe, macromedia, even microsoft) are forcing you to use this new system. WindowsXP just offers me all I need, it's very fast and compatible with all older software, it never crashes and it's secure...

tsktsktsk,
Teiz

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by teiz
Ah, you pathetic people. There's nothing wrong with windows... In fact lately I prefer my PC over my mac. OS X really sucks, it's slow and it's incompatible. Just stop fooling yourself. And all the software developers (adobe, macromedia, even microsoft) are forcing you to use this new system. WindowsXP just offers me all I need, it's very fast and compatible with all older software, it never crashes and it's secure...

tsktsktsk,
Teiz

Ahhh the sound of the delusional speaking... xp blows worse then any operating system out there... you say it offers you all that you need... how do you know with xp since they removed your options to choose?

With OS X, you get a fast, stable OS. Without knowing what you have to a Mac and peecee, it's hard to say what you did wrong. Also, you probably are not running the latest version of OS X...

Windows continues to copy the Mac OS with each revision they come up with. What else do you think influenced the look of xp?

If you can afford to pay the hundreds of dollars to purchase the latest OS from windblows, then go ahead. I would much rather get the Mac updates, which have always been less money.

Apple is not 'forcing' anyone to develop software for OS X, the user community is. Then again, m$ has forced developers to do much, much worse.

Mac's are still superior in more ways then I have time to go into.

[mcrain]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Then again, m$ has forced developers to do much, much worse.

That reminds me of a story involving sheep, power tools, and produce, but that's probably not appropriate to discuss here.

[teiz]

I'm using Mac OSX 10.1.3 and I'm using quarkxpress 4.11, photoshop 6 and Illustartor 9. I have a DP500Mhz G4. These programs are not compatible with mac osx, still it works better than mac os9, wich really sucks. How many bombs can you take on a day? And in XP you can still choose all the installation options, you just have to know how. And about the interface, you can disable the luna interface and go back to the boring grey windows look, but it's fast. The interface of osx is worse. All this anti-aliasing is no good. And look at the benchmarks comparing macosx to macos9.

Just wake up...

teiz

p.s. I could never live without my mac, don't get me wrong. But I also cannot miss my PC.

[krossfyter]

what do you think about xp pro?

[teiz]

XP PRO is really good, disable all the visual **** and you have a very fast, stable OS with a lot of functionality. Home edition is good enough for most user though. System restore is a very good function. Remote desktop is a very good fuction. Surfing internet goes better on a PC. Playing games is more fun on a PC with my Soundblaster live and 4pount surround speakers.

I doen't get it, why do mac users always have to hate windows? Only mac users who haven't really worked with windows yell this kind of nonsense. And the command prompt wich al the mac os 7, 8, 9 users laughed at is now needed in X (but now it is called terminal) to have total control, while in XP it's gone (well almost, you don't need it to have total control). And what really sucks in X is you can't share just any folder or drive. You have to install some hard to use SharePoints.prefPane in your library/PreferencePanes and maybe when your einstein you can share another drive or folder.

teiz

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by teiz
I'm using Mac OSX 10.1.3 and I'm using quarkxpress 4.11, photoshop 6 and Illustartor 9. I have a DP500Mhz G4. These programs are not compatible with mac osx, still it works better than mac os9, wich really sucks. How many bombs can you take on a day? And in XP you can still choose all the installation options, you just have to know how. And about the interface, you can disable the luna interface and go back to the boring grey windows look, but it's fast. The interface of osx is worse. All this anti-aliasing is no good. And look at the benchmarks comparing macosx to macos9.

Just wake up...

teiz

p.s. I could never live without my mac, don't get me wrong. But I also cannot miss my PC.

One.. Illustrator 10 has been out for a while now, go and get the upgrade. Photoshop 7 is coming in April... again, get the upgrade. Quark 5 will be made to run native under OS X soon (no exact time frame as of yet, but it is coming)

I have yet to have a bomb under OS X in the year or so that I have been running it.

XP blows large, nasty smelling chunks... I don't want to HAVE to contact m$ everytime I either change some of my hardware, or need to reinstall the OS. YOU WILL HAVE TO DO THAT WITH XP. Another bad thing about hex-p... you cannot upgrade from 2000 pro... At least not without spending a couple of hundred dollars (or more).

M$ is the large evil empire that everyone hates, and most people have to slave under. Become a freedom fighter and use either one of the Mac OS's (X is preferred) or run linux on your peecee.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by teiz
XP PRO is really good, disable all the visual **** and you have a very fast, stable OS with a lot of functionality. Home edition is good enough for most user though. System restore is a very good function. Remote desktop is a very good fuction. Surfing internet goes better on a PC. Playing games is more fun on a PC with my Soundblaster live and 4pount surround speakers.

I doen't get it, why do mac users always have to hate windows? Only mac users who haven't really worked with windows yell this kind of nonsense. And the command prompt wich al the mac os 7, 8, 9 users laughed at is now needed in X (but now it is called terminal) to have total control, while in XP it's gone (well almost, you don't need it to have total control). And what really sucks in X is you can't share just any folder or drive. You have to install some hard to use SharePoints.prefPane in your library/PreferencePanes and maybe when your einstein you can share another drive or folder.

teiz

XP is just 2K warmed over with new "features" that you have to disable just to make it usable.
Remote Desktop is also a security problem waiting to happen.
IE is faster on a PC because it's BUILT IN to the OS.
Games...woohoo...why don't you try doing something useful?
You can get Soundblaster cards for Macs too...

As for the rest...blah, blah, blah...SharePoint.prefPane...what the hell are you talking about?!?

Mac users hate Windows because we've all had to use it at one time or another. We know how much more difficult it is to use than Mac OS. Have you actually used OS X?

[hockey6773]

Originally posted by teiz
XP PRO is really good, disable all the visual **** and you have a very fast, stable OS with a lot of functionality. Home edition is good enough for most user though. System restore is a very good function. Remote desktop is a very good fuction. Surfing internet goes better on a PC. Playing games is more fun on a PC with my Soundblaster live and 4pount surround speakers.

I doen't get it, why do mac users always have to hate windows? Only mac users who haven't really worked with windows yell this kind of nonsense. And the command prompt wich al the mac os 7, 8, 9 users laughed at is now needed in X (but now it is called terminal) to have total control, while in XP it's gone (well almost, you don't need it to have total control). And what really sucks in X is you can't share just any folder or drive. You have to install some hard to use SharePoints.prefPane in your library/PreferencePanes and maybe when your einstein you can share another drive or folder.

teiz

You say only people that haven't worked on PCs complian! I'm 15 years old and have grown up using peecees and macs Ive used peecees at school friends and my own. I might only be 15 but the two things I do know is 1. Bill Gates is a thief Microsoft overly charge everything they sell and 2. Every time Iv'e ever seen someone use a PC it crashes. Ive been running ten on me imac snow for 6 months now and it hasnt crashed once and belive me im pretty good at crashing OSes. :eek: :eek:

[AlphaTech]

I just has to toss in about the sharing issues with OS X... If you have a system, running OSX, that you want to share to another (works under 9.x AND X) all you need to do is go into the Sharing item under the Preferences panel. Turn sharing on, and then navigate to it as you would any file share/server... it's THAT easy. I just did it between my TiBook running OS X (10.1.3) and the G4 733 (running 9.2.2) at work. The ENTIRE drive shows up, will all folders under it.

[spikey]

I use XP pro.
Yes XP is reasonably stable, and yes it is usable.
But
It is ugly as ****, it is slow, it is a slug. It takes too much from the cpu to do too little, this is widely acknowledged by anyone who knows anything about it. You, obviously do not.

Take your fischer price interface and go back to ****ing kindergarten. Or go and get felt up by a kiddie fiddler priest, or just go anywhere else but here.

[AmbitiousLemon]

spikeys back kids. watch out.

welcome back man.

[Wry Cooter]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
I just has to toss in about the sharing issues with OS X... If you have a system, running OSX, that you want to share to another (works under 9.x AND X) all you need to do is go into the Sharing item under the Preferences panel. Turn sharing on, and then navigate to it as you would any file share/server... it's THAT easy. I just did it between my TiBook running OS X (10.1.3) and the G4 733 (running 9.2.2) at work. The ENTIRE drive shows up, will all folders under it.

as a consumer in the stores, I see two faces of XP: The elegant all XP set up with the clean new apps as installed. And the XP set up that has actually been used, scattered with ugly win 98 style icons all over the desktop. OS X suffers from a bit of this itself if you venture into classic much, as I'm sure most of us must on occasion despite any attempt at keeping our OS X experience pure and cocoa or carbon only.

This has nothing to do with the speed or useability of either OS, but points toward the general trend toward eye candy versus productivity as a nudge to keep people buying new hardware and software that can handle the graphics overhead.

[MacLuver23]

If Micro$oft shall fall.... Apple will rule...!!!!

[Polith]

IF Apple ruled the world, then everyone would be using PowerBooks and iBooks and yes Towers and iMacs. May not seem bad, but what makes my computer special is no one knows what it is, except one in every five people on my campus. (TiBook 550) Also a lot of people enjoy choice. Under Apple's rule there would be no choice. Everyone would have G4, G5's and Apple Hardware-Now there's a monopoly if I ever heard one. I believe Steve Jobs is too power hungry to allow any clones(or porting of X) if Apple were to dominate the market. Personally (I use Macs and Wintel Boxes) I would enjoy Apple at around 30% of the market. Is a good stronghold yet also leaves room for competition and most importantly, leaves room for innovation. People would continually design new products because they want to gain more market share, thus leading the industry to a more diverse community. Oh yeah, Bill Gates and Microsoft would be the company on stage with a huge picture of Jobs behind smiling like he owns the world.