EA titles sell more on PS3 than Wii

[darkwing]

Last quarter, EA sold $41 million in titles for the PlayStation 3, a highly anticipated gaming console that debuted in November. It sold $29 million in titles for Nintendo Co.'s Wii, and Chairman and CEO Larry Probst emphasized Thursday that EA would increase availability of Wii-friendly games.

EA also sold $400 million in titles for the older PlayStation 2 and $172 million in titles for Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 last quarter.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070201/earns_electronic_arts.html?.v=7

I had puts on ERTS when it was at 59 but chickened out. I'm happy today because ISRG is up 15% after hours on earnings and I have $10,000 worth of calls that I'm already up on. Woo hoo.

BTW, the money I've made on GME will pay for my video games for the rest of my life.

Anyway, I thought the Wii offered tons of innovative controls or something. Why are people buying the games for the PS3 instead? Also, considering the Wii has sold 4 times the units the PS3 has, this is pretty bad. I wonder if people are buying the Wii for Wii sports parties and zelda and not buying anything else.

I want to buy a Wii so I can have a ugly piece of 1980s retro plastic sitting on top of my sleek new HDTV. :)

[Dagless]

"Why are people buying the games for the PS3 instead?"

You make it sound like PS3 games are sold more than Wii. You might want to look at Wii versus PS3 attach rate :)

Plus - EA. I'm never going to let an EA game into this house. I'd care if this came from a respectable company who devs for all systems (Square, Sega etc).

Wii ugly? Come on now. This is why I blocked you on MSN, you were extremely offensive, I don't even think you noticed you were doing it. I block racists.

[e²Studios]

"Why are people buying the games for the PS3 instead?"

You make it sound like PS3 games are sold more than Wii. You might want to look at Wii versus PS3 attach rate :)

Plus - EA. I'm never going to let an EA game into this house. I'd care if this came from a respectable company who devs for all systems (Square, Sega etc).

Wii ugly? Come on now. This is why I blocked you on MSN, you were extremely offensive, I don't even think you noticed you were doing it. I block racists.

hahahaha.. I told you so Darkwing :D I shoulda bet you :) The responses are almost predictable now :p

Ed

[darkwing]

Wii ugly? Come on now. This is why I blocked you on MSN, you were extremely offensive, I don't even think you noticed you were doing it. I block racists.

On March 2nd, I said "France sucks." You talked to me on the 3rd and the 28th and then not anymore after that. I took you off my list in November.

Saying "france sucks" is saying a country sucks. The French "race" is white, and I'm white, too. I guess I hate myself.

Maybe I'm an "ethnicist".

BTW the Wii is super cool looking. Probably cooler looking than the PS3. The sensor bar is what I was making fun of. :P

[2nyRiggz]

There are a lot of reasons why EA is turning over more for the PS3. I would think maybe every person that got a PS3 might of gotten madden, fight night etc...Some people got the wii for the mutiplayer, nintendo brand plus the wii is very impressive with its controls so I don't think madden was a big player in wii titles.

I don't know about you but the Wii looks nice next to my TV including my PS3and 360.


Bless

[Dagless]

hahahaha.. I told you so Darkwing :D I shoulda bet you :) The responses are almost predictable now :p

Ed

:rolleyes: Like the SDF don't jump in whenever something like, oh I don't know. Anything negative about the almighty PS3 is mentioned :rolleyes:

I'm seeing dark sides to people I once respected.

[e²Studios]

:rolleyes: Like the SDF don't jump in whenever something like, oh I don't know. Anything negative about the almighty PS3 is mentioned :rolleyes:

I'm seeing dark sides to people I once respected.

I own a Wii Jimmi and while i respect you i think you should look at your past posts. Most of your recent posts can be construed as trolls, or FUD. Most of it has no factual basis, and it spews of your love for all that is the "big n". I respect your choices but i think you need to calm down a bit.

I saw what i was doing with my posts in the past, most of what i post now has facts to back it up. Look at the blu-ray comments, im sorry your grandparents are not a basis for the "Average" buyer of a new technology, that and you seem to blatently ignore the fact that bd is outselling hd dvd in both hardware and software.

Thats just for an example, there are more if you care to look back. I am NOT saying this to flame you in any way, its more a suggestion to chill out a bit. I respect ya Jimmi, and im saying this to you out of that respect for you.

Ed

[2nyRiggz]

:rolleyes: Like the SDF don't jump in whenever something like, oh I don't know. Anything negative about the almighty PS3 is mentioned :rolleyes:


Come on Jimmi thats really not fair is it...you might not even see this..I might be on your ignore list. :)

Seriously though you responded with a very expected comment. I waited for someone to jump on that and I was not let down...


Bless

[darkwing]

There are a lot of reasons why EA is turning over more for the PS3. I would think maybe every person that got a PS3 might of gotten madden, fight night etc...Some people got the wii for the mutiplayer, nintendo brand plus the wii is very impressive with its controls so I don't think madden was a big player in wii titles.

I don't know about you but the Wii looks nice next to my TV including my PS3and 360.


Bless

I just assumed that with the "awesome Wii controls" people would want to throw virtual footballs around or something.

Honestly though, I didn't think the PS3 would outsell the Wii in anything.. EA seems to release games for both, and with 4x more Wiis out there I figured that would be a company's larger source of revenue over the ps3. *shrug*

[Verto]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070201/earns_electronic_arts.html?.v=7

Anyway, I thought the Wii offered tons of innovative controls or something. Why are people buying the games for the PS3 instead?


Why would I want to buy the crap EA spews out? NFS Carbon got mediocre ratings, because EA took a regular Xbox/Playstation game and threw it on the Wii - no thought or effort into actually making a real racing game centered around the Wii.
Madden NFL was a fairly good port (from what I read), but its a sports game so I didn't play it myself.

What do these numbers mean? That Wii buyers are picking titles that actually utilize the power of the Wii. At the same time, it means PS3 owners are buying the only titles available to them - rehashed football and golf games.

[darkwing]

Why would I want to buy the crap EA spews out? NFS Carbon got mediocre ratings, because EA took a regular Xbox/Playstation game and threw it on the Wii - no thought or effort into actually making a real racing game centered around the Wii.
Madden NFL was a fairly good port (from what I read), but its a sports game so I didn't play it myself.

What do these numbers mean? That Wii buyers are picking titles that actually utilize the power of the Wii. At the same time, it means PS3 owners are buying the only titles available to them - rehashed football and golf games.

I own a PS3 with 5 games and none of them are by EA.

[Dagless]

I might be on your ignore list. :)

Hell no. You're quite level headed, don't come out with things like "cheap 80's plastic" or silly stuff. For that I commend you, MRU too. Though you guys do come off a little elitist at times.

Verto - good point. Can't really add more to what you said, pretty much hit the nail on the head. EA (just like Sony in hardware it seems) pump out the same old with newer features, day in, day out.

[Verto]

I own a PS3 with 5 games and none of them are good

Corrected :)

[darkwing]

Corrected :)

That's pretty funny, I'll give you that. Just like Wii graphics. :)

[jdechko]

To be honest, I'm not really surprised. I'd like to look at the facts (which I hope aren't disputed... I'll do the best I can).

1) Price of PS3 game vs Price of a Wii game = 60/50. So we need to normalize the sales dollars to look at actual games shipped. I get approx 683,000 units sold for the PS3 and 600,000 for the Wii.

2) Then, look at the number of EA games available for each system. For the Wii, I only count 2: Madden and NFS Carbon. I count 3 for the PS3, Madden, NFS and TW07.

So given these facts, I don' think that the Wii is doing too badly given the EA sales numbers. 83,000 games certainly isn't much to write home about.

[darkwing]

Hell no. You're quite level headed, don't come out with things like "cheap 80's plastic" or silly stuff. For that I commend you, MRU too. Though you guys do come off a little elitist at times.

The following is a list of threads where raggedjimmi said products were ugly. He's apparently allowed to voice his opinion, but nobody else.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=260918&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=242225&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=225317&page=2&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=213346&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=194730&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=185590&page=3&highlight=ugly
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=182353&highlight=ugly

Meh.

[darkwing]

So given these facts, I don' think that the Wii is doing too badly given the EA sales numbers. 83,000 games certainly isn't much to write home about.

It's actually 103,000 units. Nice rounding.

But yeah, 3 games give the ps3 an advantage in EA games but there are 4 times as many Wiis out there.

[maxrobertson]

I didn't read the article, and I don't really have any knowledge about this, but it looks like you're looking at the money they made from the games. I read somewhere that PS3 games cost more than Wii games, so it would make sense that they made more money off of PS3 games. It doesn't necessarily show that PS3 games are outselling Wii games, although it's obviously still possible.

I don't know if that's correct or not.

...oh and it looks like someone already said that :).

[jdechko]

It's actually 103,000 units. Nice rounding.

But yeah, 3 games give the ps3 an advantage in EA games but there are 4 times as many Wiis out there.

You're right, I accidentally typed in 30m in the calc for the Wii. It's late here and it's been a long, rough day for me.

As for your second part, I don't think it matters how many Wii owners or PS3 owners there are. I don't really care about the EA attach rate for either of the consoles. If there were a consistent average, then the Wii would have sold 290,000 copies of each, whereas the PS3 would have sold just under 230,000 copies for each game. I know that the distribution isn't exactly even, and I don't care enough to figure out exactly which game is performing best, but still, it's not that big of a deal.

[Dagless]

The following is a list of threads where raggedjimmi said products were ugly. He's apparently allowed to voice his opinion, but nobody else.

Heh, of course anyone can say something's ugly. But trying to come off as both a player of Wii and PS3, whilst ever so slightly dropping bits that the Wii is junk isn't good.

Don't p*ssy foot around. Stick with an opinion.

edit: well that words censored but it's a saying in the UK. meh.

[SpankyPenzaanz]

people buy wii for wiisports, zelda, and few others hyped to really show off the new control scheme

people buy a ps3 for...resistance and same tired bulls%*#! from EA, oh and bluEray (and yes that was to irritate)

[tobefirst]

2) Then, look at the number of EA games available for each system. For the Wii, I only count 2: Madden and NFS Carbon. I count 3 for the PS3, Madden, NFS and TW07.

There's also Fight Night available for the PS3.

[jdechko]

There's also Fight Night available for the PS3.

Ah Ha! I knew I forgot one, but couldn't remember. The List of PS3 games Wiki sucks. Screw it ... I'm off to bed. I can't stay up till 4 am (5 hrs ahead ?) like jimmi :). (And I'm on EST in the US, so it's not even 12 here, heh).

[Dagless]

Oh, and I feel I have to explain myself once again.
I dont just stick with Nintendo. I only stick with 1, or 2 at a push consoles in each generation. I go with what I consider the best. So far it's gone-

Spectrum ZX81, Commodore Amiga, NES, Mega Drive, N64, PS1, Gamecube, Xbox, Dreamcast, Wii.

4/10 systems in my collection are Nintendo. :rolleyes:
I stand by the belief that the PS1 was one of the best systems ever, next to the Amiga and Wii. I don't sit still, every generation systems change their image, their target market etc. I'm not blindly following 1 company.

[e²Studios]

Oh, and I feel I have to explain myself once again.
I dont just stick with Nintendo. I only stick with 1, or 2 at a push consoles in each generation. I go with what I consider the best. So far it's gone-

Spectrum ZX81, Commodore Amiga, NES, Mega Drive, N64, PS1, Gamecube, Xbox, Dreamcast, Wii.

4/10 systems in my collection are Nintendo. :rolleyes:
I stand by the belief that the PS1 was one of the best systems ever, next to the Amiga and Wii. I don't sit still, every generation systems change their image, their target market etc. I'm not blindly following 1 company.

Go to sleep ;)

Ed

[SpankyPenzaanz]

Oh, and I feel I have to explain myself once again.


no it seems like you fall into the category of the gamers manifesto much like I do


for those of you who haven't read this you should
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html

[Dagless]

Go to sleep ;)

Ed

I know! my piggin Shuffle keeps disconnecting! I think it's my monitors USB ports fault. Stupid thing. It's 5.03am now :mad: iPods are supposed to be easy!

[darkwing]

Heh, of course anyone can say something's ugly. But trying to come off as both a player of Wii and PS3, whilst ever so slightly dropping bits that the Wii is junk isn't good.

Don't p*ssy foot around. Stick with an opinion.

edit: well that words censored but it's a saying in the UK. meh.

It's a saying in the US, too.

Where did I ever come off as a player of the Wii? I don't own one. I checked one out with an apparently broken controller for 2 minutes. Ed owns a Wii and since I'm going to be in his neck of the woods tomorrow, I asked if I can come by and spend some quality time with one. I want SSBB a lot but am not sure it's worth getting a Wii for alone.

[MacRumorUser]

Boys. Teacher has to leave the classroom for 10 minutes and you all start messing up the class room. I'm gonna have to put you all in detention.

I want 100 lines of. "I will behave and play nicely." :)



Back on topic.

DarkWing - Other than Madden 07 & NFS:Carbon is there any other EA games for Wii ?

There's FightNight Round 3, Madden 07, TigerWoods, NBA07, Need for Speed Carbon for PS3. So I thinks its easy to see why one format sold more EA games than another.




So

People step back a little - and be a little less unbiased all round. There's no need for this 1 upmanship going on in this forum. Does everything have to result in a pissing match ? :rolleyes:

[darkwing]

There's FightNight Round 3, Madden 07, TigerWoods, NBA07, Need for Speed Carbon for PS3. So I thinks its easy to see why one format sold more EA games than another.



I will not let the air out of MRU's tires. I will not let the air out of MRU's tires...

2.5x many games, but 4x as many Wiis. It was just an observation.

The real point here is that my shares of GME in my 401k and my calls in my get-rich-quick account will be quite happy. :-D

[MacRumorUser]

I will not let the air out of MRU's tires. I will not let the air out of MRU's tires...

but I dont drive............. :p :D



I rarely buy EA games to be honest. Not out of any vitriol towards them, simply because there arent many games they publish that I go for.

I'm not a sports games player, or a racing freak.

I did see that they are publishing 'Mercenaries 2' for Pandemic. So they may get my money for that one at least.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/760/760718p1.html

[darkwing]

but I dont drive............. :p :D



I rarely buy EA games to be honest. Not out of any vitriol towards them, simply because there arent many games they publish that I go for.

I'm not a sports games player, or a racing freak.

I did see that they are publishing 'Mercenaries 2' for Pandemic. So they may get my money for that one at least.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/760/760718p1.html

I think the last game I bought from EA was SSX 1 on the PS2. I got it used when it was a year or so old. Funny that SSX blur for the Wii (next-gen:confused:) looks the same. :rolleyes:

I will say that I'm looking at Mercenaries 2 as well.

Why don't you drive? I have the most unpractical car ever. A 2006 Pontiac GTO with a turbo kit from STS turbo on it. 600+ horsepower, rear wheel drive, and no snow tires. Already slid off the road once this winter, and went sideways about 100 feet down 45th. :D

[MacRumorUser]

Why don't you drive?

I failed my test 5 times :o (he says embarrassingly and runs the other way).

Ironically though in Ireland as long as you have a provisional licence and insurance you can drive away on your own for years and years and never have to take your test.

A few years back there was such a backlog of official tests that the governemnt decided just to automatically issue thousands of people with a full licence in order (without doing a test) just to clear up the backlog.

I have a provisional, so I could if I so desired to drive I could, but I just dont need to tbh. I work from my home studio, so I dont need to drive to work etc.. I go into town maybe once a week, if I need to. I can get home delivery and do all my food shopping over the net, and if I want to go to the beach or such I can just cycle as its only a couple of miles to the atlantic sea for me.

[darkwing]

I failed my test 5 times :o (he says embarrassingly and runs the other way).

Ironically though in Ireland as long as you have a provisional licence and insurance you can drive away on your own for years and years and never have to take your test.

Man I guess you take it for granted. I would so love to take a road trip through the Irish countryside.

Someday I'll get to that part of the world. I just got back from Japan last week, so I'm done with international travel for a while!

[Haoshiro]

Back on topic, I think this makes sense. EA isn't putting out software that is tailored and targeted at the Wii audience, so this just makes sense.

I think I own one EA game personally: Burnout Revenge for 360, and I love it.

[darkwing]

Back on topic, I think this makes sense. EA isn't putting out software that is tailored and targeted at the Wii audience, so this just makes sense.

I think I own one EA game personally: Burnout Revenge for 360, and I love it.

Yeah I look forward to Burnout 5 when it comes out on PS3.

[Dunepilot]

There's also Fight Night available for the PS3.

I really want a Wii Fight Night game. I love FN2 on Gamecube.

[MacRumorUser]

I think I own one EA game personally: Burnout Revenge for 360, and I love it.

Oh I forgot, I do have that actually.

Yeah I look forward to Burnout 5 when it comes out on PS3.

Yeah burnout and full auto are the only type of racing games I actually play.

Burnout 5 should be the first proper next gen version - and going on how good Revenge looks on the 360, it should be really sweet.


Edit... oh and Spore of course will be a must buy.

[Stella]

EA has more games availlable for PS3 than Wii? Perhaps that a clue! :-) Its no secret that the Wii out vastly outsold the PS3.

I'm really surprised by the $41 million figure for EA PS3 game sales... I wouldn't have thought there was enough of them out there - and time - to generate that sort of figure.

[thegreatunknown]

The real point here is that my shares of GME in my 401k and my calls in my get-rich-quick account will be quite happy. :-D

I'm curious how many people in this here gamer forum know what puts and calls are. congrats on your investments.

now about EA games... I can't believe people are still buying them.

[darkwing]

I'm curious how many people in this here gamer forum know what puts and calls are. congrats on your investments.

now about EA games... I can't believe people are still buying them.

I agree with everything you said. Not many people know what puts and calls are. EA games suck. And congrats to me! Almost $7000 made today off selling 6 WKDAT @ 27.30

[jdechko]

I'm curious how many people in this here gamer forum know what puts and calls are. congrats on your investments.

I think I remember what they are. If I remember correctly, a put is an offer to sell a stock at a particular price, and a call is an offer to buy a stock at a particular price.

I didn't like my finance classes too much.

And most EA games are rubbish.

[darkwing]

I think I remember what they are. If I remember correctly, a put is an offer to sell a stock at a particular price, and a call is an offer to buy a stock at a particular price.

I didn't like my finance classes too much.

And most EA games are rubbish.

Correct. Puts and calls sell for a fraction of the stock price and tend to move more than the stock price as long as they have sufficient time to expiration. LEAPS (options 1 year + to expiration) are a great way to play a volatile stock like ISRG. A 10% move in price moves the LEAPS about 50%. It requires a LOT of patience because you can be sitting on a loss as large as my gain for a few months. Not for the faint of heart!

Options are often used as a hedge against an actual position. For example, you might go long 1000 shares of a stock and buy two puts at the same time. Your potential for gain is unlimited as the stock rises, but if it goes up really high your potential for loss on the puts is only their cost because puts can't go below 0. If the stock goes to 0, the puts will become super valuable. There are mathematical formulas out there that can help you determine the cost of this "insurance" and how much the stock price would have to rise to make a profit.

I prefer to buy put-LEAPS rather than take a short position because shorts have unlimited loss potential! :eek: The puts have an expiration, so as long as the stock moves your way before then you're ok.

This might be considered off topic, but it was ERTS quarterly financial results that started the thread so it's bound to bring about a couple of investment questions. :)

[MacRumorUser]

^ What do I get for three brass buttons and a nestle milky bar :D

[pcypert]

I enjoy NFS Carbon, Burnout Revenge, and Fifa 2007 on my 360. None are rubbish. They're not life changing games by any means. But they're the only games I can play when folks with kids are over :) Can't really bust out GOW and they don't "get" Viva Pinata even though it looks kiddie.

Paul

[MacRumorUser]

and they don't "get" Viva Pinata even though it looks kiddie.

Yeah its a weird one alright. I loved it, and most people I know who invested some quality time into it love it, but it certainly aint a kiddie game.

[jdechko]

Correct. Puts and calls sell for a fraction of the stock price and tend to move more than the stock price as long as they have sufficient time to expiration. LEAPS (options 1 year + to expiration) are a great way to play a volatile stock like ISRG. A 10% move in price moves the LEAPS about 50%. It requires a LOT of patience because you can be sitting on a loss as large as my gain for a few months. Not for the faint of heart!

Options are often used as a hedge against an actual position. For example, you might go long 1000 shares of a stock and buy two puts at the same time. Your potential for gain is unlimited as the stock rises, but if it goes up really high your potential for loss on the puts is only their cost because puts can't go below 0. If the stock goes to 0, the puts will become super valuable. There are mathematical formulas out there that can help you determine the cost of this "insurance" and how much the stock price would have to rise to make a profit.

I prefer to buy put-LEAPS rather than take a short position because shorts have unlimited loss potential! :eek: The puts have an expiration, so as long as the stock moves your way before then you're ok.

This might be considered off topic, but it was ERTS quarterly financial results that started the thread so it's bound to bring about a couple of investment questions. :)

Yeah, I get what you're saying somewhat. One of my good friends went into finance/investments. He currently works for Ameriprise and he loves it. But this stuff isn't really me, even though I've taken a few courses.

[Coded-Dude]

EA (just like Sony in hardware it seems) pump out the same old with newer features, day in, day out.
....just like Ninty, or Microsoft, or Apple, or, well you get the point. :rolleyes:

[BRUUUCE]

for last generation gaming, i always bought my EA games for the xbox. and i never bought them for the game cube. controller didnt work for them. graphics werent as good. the wii is still working against that stigma. Plus the xbox/ps3 controllers just work better for EA sports games IMO.

[Eraserhead]

2.5x many games, but 4x as many Wiis. It was just an observation.

The number of Wii's is irrelevant apart from the fact that there are more Wii's than PS3's simply mean EA are likely to sell more games (and therefore make more money).

What matters is to EA is how much profit they make per game, to me it looks like the Wii is doing better on that front.

[sikkinixx]

The childish bickering lives on!!!!!


Why the hate for EA? I mean, ok, they make a ton of crap games, the publish a ton of crap games but it's not ALL bad. Burnout is fun...NHL 04 was fun...umm...Fight Night is pretty neat-o...er...wait...

[gloss]

Plus the xbox/ps3 controllers just work better for EA sports games IMO.

Except for Golf, Boxing, and Football.

All the rest, sure.

[darkwing]

The number of Wii's is irrelevant apart from the fact that there are more Wii's than PS3's simply mean EA are likely to sell more games (and therefore make more money).

What matters is to EA is how much profit they make per game, to me it looks like the Wii is doing better on that front.

Uh, and what from that article even suggests that? If that were true, they would have said so when explaining the lower Wii sales revenue. This is a quarterly financial results statement.