Mac OS X 10.2 Builds... [Archive]

arn

Mar 10, 2002, 07:30 AM

RailHeadDesign (http://www.railheaddesign.com) posted a small blurb with their Thurs, March 7th news about continued builds of Mac OS X 10.2

Yet another build of OS X 10.2 was sent out this week, and this one (from what I’m hearing) is already rock-solid stable. There are several minor changes — things that could be fixed in 10.1.x releases — included in these more recent builds, too.

The CUPS technology is reportedly not yet implemented in these recent builds. Few other details available...

pixelpete

Mar 10, 2002, 04:29 PM

:( Ya Great Vue scan it works but How Long does it take to rewrite the Twain software? Photoshop 7 ? Whats going on here? Please bring spring loaded folders back in OS 10.2. Watsin blows sherlock to shame. Tinker tools is cool to and should be offered in the OS upgrade also.

j763

Mar 10, 2002, 04:40 PM

Any word on whether they're going to charge for an upgrade to 10.2 or whether they're going to make it available via Software Update? They can't keep giving out free updates, but i don't think many people will pay to go to 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 etc.etc

elgruga

Mar 10, 2002, 05:58 PM

If they are going to charge, its got to be a real upgrade - speed increase, new apps included, (like Tinker Tool and FruitMenu etc.), much more user defined interface etc.

Right now, it seems that they are still getting 10.1 right.
And, IMHO, it still has a little way to go......

dricci

Mar 10, 2002, 07:02 PM

Well, I'll pay for 10.2 just to be up to date, and I'm sure most people will, too. But if they don't have a boatload of new stuff in 10.2, then 10.3 sales will probably go down, and people will find *ehhem* alternate methods to get it.

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 10, 2002, 08:42 PM

think sectret told us a few months back that apple postponed the release of 10.2 becaus ethey felt people werent ready to pay for it again so soon after they paid for 10.1. So apple held on to it and continued to develop it.

id really like to see more speed. the fact that osx is still jumpy and slow in a dual ghz machine is ridiculous. if all machines ship with it installed as default then it should run on all machines. as of now it runs like carp on all machines. seems like the main reason most people want a g5 released is just so we have something to run osx smoothly. i almost bought a g4imac(800) for $1600 but after doing a line up test of it versus a dual ghz machine and saw that both still had major speed issues i decided to save my money until either a faster machine is out or apple has fixed osx.

kishba

Mar 10, 2002, 08:54 PM

i thought of something that i believe 10.2 should have...

in itunes you can start typing letters in the search box and it keeps updating the listing of possible matches

i wish finder windows could do that... automatically show/hide files that match the letters i'm searching for

arn

Mar 10, 2002, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by kishba
i thought of something that i believe 10.2 should have...

in itunes you can start typing letters in the search box and it keeps updating the listing of possible matches

i wish finder windows could do that... automatically show/hide files that match the letters i'm searching for

In Terminal you can do this...

in the directory you want type

ls | grep "pattern"

and it will list those files that contain "pattern"... :)

arn

kishba

Mar 10, 2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by arn

In Terminal you can do this...

in the directory you want type

ls | grep "pattern"

and it will list those files that contain "pattern"... :)

spiffy

so in reality apple could implement this really easily?? that's VERY cool.... that would kick windows in the pants big time

dantec

Mar 11, 2002, 12:21 AM

Apple really does need to prep this OS... I mean if M$ stops making Windoze in about a years time we might have tons of users pouring into our community.

dantec

Mar 11, 2002, 12:22 AM

I agree, apple should put tinkertools and all that stuff into the OS...

I think they need a mouse shadow, too many of my stupid friends complain that my mouse doesn't have a shadow like win 2000...

rEd Eye

Mar 11, 2002, 01:16 AM

I think the concept of having to pay for any upgrade to os x right now to be a joke.The version that we have already paid for is still a long way from being an acceptable,optimized consumer product,and really we are all just buying the os as is to be apple's guiny pigs for a product that is still largely under construction.An upgrade is when a product is packed full of new features and functionalities that cost tons to develop,an update is when they make what you already own have the functionality that it ought,and I think that we all deserve free updates until this os has been fully functionalized!
Right now in my view,os x is still one FAT slow mac app that still has a long way to go before it becomes an ideal,efficient consumer work enviroment.
I am however looking forward to being able to move fully over to it in the future,even if the whole interface and filesystem strangely reminds me a bit of ms windoze........not so user friendly.Actually kind of scary!

Kid Red

Mar 11, 2002, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by arn

In Terminal you can do this...

in the directory you want type

ls | grep "pattern"

and it will list those files that contain "pattern"... :)

arn

I tired that and nothing happened.

arn

Mar 11, 2002, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Kid Red

I tired that and nothing happened.

it's probably case sensitive... you sure you have a file with the pattern in the directory? Cause otherwise it won't match anything

try:

ls | grep "a"

and it should match any files with the letter "a" in it.

arn

BeerDrinker29

Mar 11, 2002, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
think sectret told us a few months back that apple postponed the release of 10.2 becaus ethey felt people werent ready to pay for it again so soon after they paid for 10.1. So apple held on to it and continued to develop it.

That sounds like complete BS to me (like everything posted on every rumor site *except macrumors* :-))

Apple releases what they have when it's ready. If 10.2 was done but just "waiting on the shelf" then the recent builds would be a lot better than they have been.

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 11, 2002, 03:18 AM

im not going to defend thinksecret's article because it might evry well be BS like you said. but i would like to clarify:

Apple had something they were planning on calling 10.2 that they were going to release in january. it would likely include some new features like spring loaded folder and other things. but apple decided people were not ready to pay for it again so soon. so rather than release it they continued with the development phase rather than turn it into a finished product. we might very likely be seeing things come out in 10.1.3 that were originally planned for 10.2. but i believe they are keeping all the "new" features and for 10.2.

again, im not saying this is true. it might very well be bs. i just wanted to make sure everyone at least knew what i was talking about before deciding whether it is true or not.

PUSH

Mar 11, 2002, 06:23 AM

Hi KidRed,

what message comes up when you try that in the terminal? Have you used the the subsystem before?

nero007

Mar 11, 2002, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by PUSH
Hi KidRed,

what message comes up when you try that in the terminal? Have you used the the subsystem before?

Sounds like he's typing "is" instead of "ls"

PUSH

Mar 11, 2002, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by nero007

Sounds like he's typing "is" instead of "ls"

Quite possibly

porovaara

Mar 11, 2002, 10:43 AM

try adding something like this

alias lsg 'ls -la | egrep -a $1'

then at a shell you can just do "lsg pattern" and it will appear. to add this to your startup you can do this:

shell prompt> cat >> ~/.tcshrc
alias lsg 'ls -la | egrep -i $1'
^D (<-- hit control D)

HumanJHawkins

Mar 11, 2002, 11:45 AM

Rower_CPU

Mar 11, 2002, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by rEd Eye
I think the concept of having to pay for any upgrade to os x right now to be a joke.The version that we have already paid for is still a long way from being an acceptable,optimized consumer product,and really we are all just buying the os as is to be apple's guiny pigs for a product that is still largely under construction.An upgrade is when a product is packed full of new features and functionalities that cost tons to develop,an update is when they make what you already own have the functionality that it ought,and I think that we all deserve free updates until this os has been fully functionalized!
Right now in my view,os x is still one FAT slow mac app that still has a long way to go before it becomes an ideal,efficient consumer work enviroment.
I am however looking forward to being able to move fully over to it in the future,even if the whole interface and filesystem strangely reminds me a bit of ms windoze........not so user friendly.Actually kind of scary!

The above quote should read:

I think the concept of having to pay for any upgrade to windows right now to be a joke.The version that we have already paid for is still a long way from being an acceptable,optimized consumer product,and really we are all just buying the os as is to be windows' guinea pigs for a product that is still largely under construction.An upgrade is when a product is packed full of new features and functionalities that cost tons to develop,an update is when they make what you already own have the functionality that it ought,and I think that we all deserve free updates until this os has been fully functionalized!
Right now in my view,windows xp is still one FAT slow wintel app that still has a long way to go before it becomes an ideal,efficient consumer work enviroment.
I am however looking forward to being able to move fully over to it in the future,even if the whole interface and filesystem strangely reminds me a bit of mac os........not so user friendly.Actually kind of scary!

ftaok

Mar 11, 2002, 01:02 PM

The part about Apple holding off 10.2 because they felt that people weren't ready to pay for another update. I say this because in Apple's eyes, 10.1 was a free update. So if that was Apple's official stance on 10.2, I think that it's BS.

Just my thoughts.

fisious

Mar 11, 2002, 07:11 PM

I think some people are missing the point, or at least what Apple is.

They could post the update, you could then download it, burn it to CD then run the update. But they won't do that and I understand why.

They make the OS, the machine and a lot of it's software. They directly support it, for free most of the time, which The Beast does not. They don't support hacking the OS like you know they don't attend support calls for something you are doing in Terminal.

All in all they are wanting to make a stable environment and I think they are doing just thay. Oh no, $15 for an upgrade CD! Anyway they have a stay up to date program where you can actually get the updates for free. I got 10.1 free, so watch there space.

OSX is a NEW OS. And they've got it pretty much right. Look at linux that's still not ready for the desktop, and i don't think M$ has got theirs right either.

MacAztec

Mar 11, 2002, 10:56 PM

I hope OS X brings us some serious speed. I know people say "X is fast enough." But every time i go back into 9, its like a whole new world! It is so much faster. I hope 10.2 can incorporate these qualities!

Catfish_Man

Mar 12, 2002, 11:26 AM

...about OSX is that it has a lot of room for improvement. OS9 was pretty much maxed out, it had been optimized and tweaked for ages and had pretty much reached the end of the line (being crippled by crappy memory management and multitasking). OSX starts out slow, but it has a *lot* of ways to improve it.

rEd Eye

Mar 17, 2002, 06:56 AM

rEd Eye

Mar 17, 2002, 07:01 AM

BTW,this does actually apply quite well to windows XP as well.I'its just that this is actually an osX discussion!

"I think the concept of having to pay for any upgrade to windows right now to be a joke.The version that we have already paid for is still a long way from being an acceptable,optimized consumer product,and really we are all just buying the os as is to be windows' guinea pigs for a product that is still largely under construction.An upgrade is when a product is packed full of new features and functionalities that cost tons to develop,an update is when they make what you already own have the functionality that it ought,and I think that we all deserve free updates until this os has been fully functionalized!
Right now in my view,windows xp is still one FAT slow wintel app that still has a long way to go before it becomes an ideal,efficient consumer work enviroment.
I am however looking forward to being able to move fully over to it in the future,even if the whole interface and filesystem strangely reminds me a bit of your ass........not so user friendly.Actually kind of scary!"

SubFredZero

Mar 17, 2002, 08:45 AM

Whats all this about "I want spring loaded folders in OS X" ???

:o I'm pretty shamed to ask this but, everybody's talking about it : what are those spring loaded folders.

And other thing now. In 10.2 i want only 3 things :
1) Just a little more speedy...
2) Switch Users : so you can let your programs run while somebody else logs in on your mac. I think it can't be hard to make this work in 10.2, Unix supports switch Users so why can't they just enable it in Aqua... I'm not a Unix/Darwin wizard, but it can't be that hard, i think...
3) Printerdrivers for HP deskjet 690c

Rower_CPU

Mar 17, 2002, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by rEd Eye
BTW,this does actually apply quite well to windows XP as well.I'its just that this is actually an osX discussion!

Wow, finally a reply.

Look I was making the point that this can be said of any OS, not just OS X.
WinXP won't be adopted by major businesses for several reasons:
• It's an expensive upgrade
• It's not 100% compatible with everything out there (hardware/software)
• They have a perfectly decent OS (Win2K) and no compelling reason to upgrade.

I work on both PC and Mac systems on a daily basis. I know the shortcomings of each. The Mac has way fewer than the PC, hence my preference for the Mac. As for "blindly self righteous", you coldn't be further from the truth.
I'm just intelligent enough not to be brainwashed by the MS juggernaut.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes.

Quark

Mar 17, 2002, 04:01 PM

I'm an IT Director of a large business.

Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot, and they don't seem to be trying to change the problem -- they apparently don't see the problem.

ARROGANCE!!

We are not upgrading to XP because of all that ".NET" crap! And I do mean CRAP!

We don't have the time nor the resources to redefine how the IT department will support our systems with XP.

Unfortunately, M$ operating systems give us what we need in our business and Apple OS's haven't - mostly because of third-party apps being too far behind. But, with OS X, that will change very, very soon. It'll take another two years or so before business, like ours, look at OS X as a serious contender, but we are eagerly poised and ready!

Why two years? Because we need to see how this will evolve - software, support, systems integration, video-conferencing issues, etc. There's just too much right now that needs to be upgraded and tweaked -- OS X is still to young.

Take care,
Quark

Ensign Paris

Mar 17, 2002, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by elgruga
If they are going to charge, its got to be a real upgrade - speed increase, new apps included, (like Tinker Tool and FruitMenu etc.), much more user defined interface etc.

Right now, it seems that they are still getting 10.1 right.
And, IMHO, it still has a little way to go......

I think there is little or no chance of FruitMenu being built in to the Operating System, maybe the menu for System Preferences.

I think the main areas that should be targetted are:

• Major bugs should be pushed out and hopefully no minor ones either!
• General Speed, not that its all that bad, I think OSX is far superior to OS9 due to features but Spring Loading folders and Speed we need!

rEd Eye

Mar 18, 2002, 03:41 AM

Sorry to bite dude.I kind of gathered that you were just using my words as a reason to knock me down as we have not had the best of luck getting along in a previous thread that I started.It was the"Get real dude! PC whiner..."statement that set me off.....
I was wrong.I'll go and erase my offensive statements now......:(

Rower_CPU

Mar 18, 2002, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by rEdEye
Sorry to bite dude.I kind of gathered that you were just using my words as a reason to knock me down as we have not had the best of luck getting along in a previous thread that I started.It was the"Get real dude! PC whiner..."statement that set me off.....
I was wrong.I'll go and erase my offensive statements now......

It's cool man. We've gotten into in other threads...I guess I let that carry over into this one. I'll go take that part out of my message too. :)

4380

Mar 18, 2002, 03:17 PM

...for a well-functioning OS. Especially if that $19.95 goes to making the OS better. But please....how retarded is it that there are still so many things the new OS can't do? I mean, the Mac is a multimedia machine, why can't it play all movie formats? Those of you who occasionally download DivX movies know what I mean.

And I've heard enough about springloaded folders. They'll be there. Don't worry, and shut up about them already. Think of something else they can improve upon....like iTunes and iPhoto. I hate having such a cumbersome main library. What I want is contextual menus, so when I import an album, it puts it one turndown folder for me instead of adding 13 songs to the library. How easy would that be?

What we need is for OS X to be the single greatest operating system ever built! And I don't think that's asking too much, considering all the other operating systems around.

Get the kinks out already, Apple! I'm tired of waiting for OS X to be ready!

And will somebody in Colorado please stop by Quark headquarters and go on a shooting spree? They did a really ****ty job with the OS 9 version, and really need to get their act together. Get some real usability guys in there—not having transparent tables in the table editor—BIG MISTAKE! I remember when Quark 4.0 came out and was buggy as hell before the 4.1 release. Looks like you've just been sitting on your asses for 4 years instead of developing the product! And you took away the Mac Classic look, and made it look boxy and blocky like a Windows App. And forget HTML. Just add PDF functionality, carbonize it, and release it!

Okay, enough griping.

Rower_CPU

Mar 18, 2002, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by 4380
...for a well-functioning OS. Especially if that $19.95 goes to making the OS better. But please....how retarded is it that there are still so many things the new OS can't do? I mean, the Mac is a multimedia machine, why can't it play all movie formats? Those of you who occasionally download DivX movies know what I mean.

Actually DivX works fine on OS X. I've had no problem with some third party apps. DivX is not a standard format. You need to dl codecs to run it on PCs too.
MPEG4 is going to blow DivX away, and it will run natively in Quicktime.

I like your point about iTunes, though. Better organization would make handling your music Library easier.

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 18, 2002, 03:55 PM

what do you think about an update/bugfix for mail.app? i just switched form mozilla mail to mail and the first thing i found is i cant import my mail! (using the netscape import in mail it found 3 of my 14 mailboxes!) o well ill live. but there seem to be a lot of lil bugs in the thing (im still using it because im am stubborn and stupid). also ive wondered why it does have an "i"name. imail would be too confusing since you use it to check your email, but im sure apple could come up with something snazy. anyway of all of apple's software i think mail.app needs the most work but is the most likley to be ignored.

4380

Mar 18, 2002, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Actually DivX works fine on OS X. I've had no problem with some third party apps. MPEG4 is going to blow DivX away, and it will run natively in Quicktime.

"Going to" is EXACTLY my problem with OS X. It's been out (released) for over a year now, and there are still simple things it can't do. Please let me know what apps work well. I'm talking about the Divx movies released on Hotline (especially new releases-not DVD rips). Nothing seems to work in OS X. OS X is "going to be" a killer operating system, and when mpeg4 comes out, Quicktime 6 is "going to be" the most wonderful video player ever.

I like OS X (except for certain things like having to go 4 or 5 levels deep just to find the desktop), but I'm tired of waiting for IT to catch up with ME!

Rower_CPU

Mar 18, 2002, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by 4380

"Going to" is EXACTLY my problem with OS X. It's been out (released) for over a year now, and there are still simple things it can't do. Please let me know what apps work well. I'm talking about the Divx movies released on Hotline (especially new releases-not DVD rips). Nothing seems to work in OS X. OS X is "going to be" a killer operating system, and when mpeg4 comes out, Quicktime 6 is "going to be" the most wonderful video player ever.

I like OS X (except for certain things like having to go 4 or 5 levels deep just to find the desktop), but I'm tired of waiting for IT to catch up with ME!

Well, a search on versiontracker.com gives me 6 different ones for you to try, including one from the DivX people themselves.

Kid Red

Mar 19, 2002, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by PUSH
Hi KidRed,

what message comes up when you try that in the terminal? Have you used the the subsystem before?

Nothing, just back to localhost. (No, I didn't type 'is') I tried it with 'a' and it alphabetizes the folders in root. But if I try it with 't' it still lists in the same order and trash doesn't list like it does when I dod it with 'a'.

ah it's CASE SENSITIVE!! hehe, just found that out this minute:)

Gelfin

Mar 19, 2002, 12:31 PM

I didn't pay for my 10.1 update. I went to CompUSA and picked one up. That update was free. I agree the $20 charge if you wanted it mailed to you was kind of crappy, but that's why I didn't have them mail it.

Gelfin

Mar 19, 2002, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by SubFredZero
I'm pretty shamed to ask this but, everybody's talking about it : what are those spring loaded folders.

I hope I didn't overlook a previous answer to this question, but I didn't see one. Spring-loaded folders are heaven for dragging files around. Imagine you've downloaded a file to your Desktop. You want it in your Documents folder. You have to start opening Finder windows, then closing them when you're done.

Okay, with spring-loaded folders, you just (for example) put a shortcut to your home directory on the desktop. Drag the file over the shortcut, wait a second, and a finder window of your home directory pops up automatically. Drag the file over the "Documents" folder in your home directory, hold it a second, and another Finder window comes up with the contents of your Documents folder. Drag the file into that window and drop it. The file is moved, and the two Finder windows that opened when you hovered over their icons close automatically.

This is by far the most useful thing ever invented in the history of mankind. It's all downhill after spring-loaded folders. ;)

big

Mar 19, 2002, 04:38 PM

why can sherlock not index disks? as well as spring loaded folders, I should not have to buy a cd program just to index all the disks...let the OS do some of this simple tasking huh? then I could automatically click the "search archived drives" (zip, cd,dvd etc) as well as my home folder, and other connected drives.

and as far a spring loaded folders go, why can I not drag something to the title bar on each open finder window and let the icon (or name) act the same way, this will keep your desktop and dock patially free of aliases

mmcneil

Mar 19, 2002, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Kid Red

ah it's CASE SENSITIVE!! hehe, just found that out this minute:)

To make in NON CASE SENSITIVE use the -i option, as in "grep -i". "find" is another extremely powerful tool in unix. For either of these commands (or any others) open a terminal and type man XXXX e.g. "man find" and you will get a complete description of how to use the particulare command. :D

MacKenzie999

Mar 19, 2002, 09:17 PM

"And will somebody in Colorado please stop by Quark headquarters and go on a shooting spree? "

You should try Indesign by Adobe. I'm in the process of learning it right now and I find it far less user-hostile than Xpress.

zal

Mar 19, 2002, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by kishba
i wish finder windows could do that... automatically show/hide files that match the letters i'm searching for

You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/

kishba

Mar 19, 2002, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by zal

You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/

i just wish it were in the finder window... it'd be easier for me to work with that way...

but thank you still, i will use this a lot (i'm certain of it)

Rower_CPU

Mar 19, 2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by zal

You can do this in the Terminal:
% cd Do
and hit ESC two times and it will finish typing the name of the directory you were to type.
% cd Downloads/

Or you can save a keystroke and just hit TAB...:D

4380

Mar 26, 2002, 12:43 PM

C'mon. You can't even say that OS X is a viable platform yet. It's this stupid waiting game for one thing to be ready or another! I can't even sync up my Palm in OSX (okay, so I can use the public beta if I want, but I can't sync with Entourage yet!). So what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting for everyone to catch up, or switch back to OS 9? I'm awfully tempted. After Effects doesn't have many plugins carbonized, Photoshop isn't shipping (yeah yeah they're "finished"—I'll believe it when I have it in my hands), Quark's ages away from even caring, Quicktime needs some serious adjustments and additions, font handling in X is HORRIBLE, iPhoto stores THREE versions of my picture (an original, one in the library, a thumbnail) AND a file to link them. Pretty inefficient. You think I have nothing better to do with the 20 gigs on my cube?

Grrrrrrrrrr.......

Am I wrong in feeling this frustration?

Rower_CPU

Mar 26, 2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by 4380
C'mon. You can't even say that OS X is a viable platform yet. It's this stupid waiting game for one thing to be ready or another! I can't even sync up my Palm in OSX (okay, so I can use the public beta if I want, but I can't sync with Entourage yet!). So what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting for everyone to catch up, or switch back to OS 9? I'm awfully tempted. After Effects doesn't have many plugins carbonized, Photoshop isn't shipping (yeah yeah they're "finished"—I'll believe it when I have it in my hands), Quark's ages away from even caring, Quicktime needs some serious adjustments and additions, font handling in X is HORRIBLE, iPhoto stores THREE versions of my picture (an original, one in the library, a thumbnail) AND a file to link them. Pretty inefficient. You think I have nothing better to do with the 20 gigs on my cube?

Grrrrrrrrrr.......

Am I wrong in feeling this frustration?

Uhhhh....Palm released their FINAL software for OS X yesterday dude...
What adjustments do you foresee for Quicktime?

Since OS X is actually a BRAND NEW OS, and not a revamping of previous technology (ie. Windows XP), it will have some growing pains. I'm willing to wait for an OS that will actually move computing forward, rather than keep it stuck in the past.

plehrack

Mar 26, 2002, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by 4380
C'mon. You can't even say that OS X is a viable platform yet. It's this stupid waiting game for one thing to be ready or another! I can't even sync up my Palm in OSX (okay, so I can use the public beta if I want, but I can't sync with Entourage yet!). So what am I supposed to do? Just keep waiting for everyone to catch up, or switch back to OS 9? I'm awfully tempted. After Effects doesn't have many plugins carbonized, Photoshop isn't shipping (yeah yeah they're "finished"—I'll believe it when I have it in my hands), Quark's ages away from even caring, Quicktime needs some serious adjustments and additions, font handling in X is HORRIBLE, iPhoto stores THREE versions of my picture (an original, one in the library, a thumbnail) AND a file to link them. Pretty inefficient. You think I have nothing better to do with the 20 gigs on my cube?

Grrrrrrrrrr.......

Am I wrong in feeling this frustration?

I am assuming that you knew of the OSX limitations when you jumped on board. If you don't think that it is ready, use OS9. Everytime I work under 9 for any amount of time I start to miss X and can't wait to reboot under it. You have the choice. You don't need to be frustrated, use 9, it's a complete OS. Many people, like myself, just enjoy the future of the mac platform but while the future is here today, it's not as mature as an OS with 18 years of development behind it.

Accept it for what it is and decide which you prefer. The beauty of having X is that you can use either. As for 10.1 upgrade, it was FREE! There has not been an upgrade charge for X yet.

Peter Lehrack

4380

Mar 26, 2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Uhhhh....Palm released their FINAL software for OS X yesterday dude...
What adjustments do you foresee for Quicktime?

Since OS X is actually a BRAND NEW OS..., it will have some growing pains.

Hey, that's great! Thanks for the info on Palm. I'll certainly dl that in a minute or two. Maybe we'll be seeing Entoutage support soon. Quicktime? Well, maybe being able to play more formats, and having some new codecs embedded. Stuff like that.

As far as growing pains go, I'd settle for a little less pain, and a little more growing.

plehrack

Mar 26, 2002, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by 4380
Quicktime? Well, maybe being able to play more formats, and having some new codecs embedded. Stuff like that.

I would also like more codecs for quicktime so I can exclusively use After Effects 5.5 under OSX, but it's third party developers who make them, not apple.

Peter Lehrack

wwworry

Mar 26, 2002, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by 4380
... And will somebody in Colorado please stop by Quark headquarters and go on a shooting spree?

Hmmm....

Anyway one pleasure in ten is to start up IE Mozilla Snax, check your email watch a video all at once. In those short few seconds you feel like you are really getting the most out of the system. It does take some time to learn that you do not have to wait for a program to open up to do something else, mouse clicks do not stop the system, and it does not crash.

I was nervouse about the system structure and the location of preferences and extentions but it turns out you do not really ever have to deal with them.

eyelikeart

Mar 26, 2002, 03:29 PM

I honestly cannot wait for the release of 10.2....hoping, of course, it brings some significant speed improvements. I switched startup partitions from 9 to X about 5 months ago and for the most part I haven't missed much while working on my TiBook.

Last night, however, I did run into a wall while attempting to do some real work in Freehand 10 while under X. First problem was...font management (ATM isn't available for X)....and the second problem was how damned slow it ran when compared to what I get in 9. I got so frustrated waiting for things to happen that I quit working and decided if I have anything that can get done in a timely manner...I'm going to do it in 9 for how. Oh...and my third was the fact that I can't scan anything yet. None of the apps out there will do anything with my HP scanner. :-(

sorry for getting a bit off topic here....but the point is I hope 10.2 improves for 10.1.4's lacking...

big

Mar 26, 2002, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by eyelikeart

Last night, however, I did run into a wall while attempting to do some real work in Freehand 10 while under X. First problem was...font management (ATM isn't available for X)....and the second problem was how damned slow it ran when compared to what I get in 9. I got so frustrated waiting for things to happen that I quit working and decided if I have anything that can get done in a timely manner...I'm going to do it in 9 for how. Oh...and my third was the fact that I can't scan anything yet. None of the apps out there will do anything with my HP scanner. :-(

I use Powercadd (engsw.com) it is a Cadd based (vector) based program for architectural design and implementing construction documents, it is painfully slow in OS X, and for me to actually draft, I must reboot into OS 9, perhaps this is the prob. these vector based graphic programs (flash 5 also) just run slow as christmas. flash mx however is awesome. while photoshop 5 is bitmap (right? its certainly not vector based) so with this, it runs just swell in OSX (though 6 is better)

as far as scanners go, they all need help in OSX, I just want cd catogarizing from sherlock and Ill be happy.

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 26, 2002, 06:01 PM

hey big. in my 10.2 wishlist where i have my huge list of osx bugs id like to see fixed and new featured id like to see implemented some people mentioned they dont like sherlock in osx. i dont use sherlock (in 9 or 10) so its hard for me to crtisize or come up with ideas for how to fix it but it sounds like you use it. what do you think and do you have any ideas for improving it? any bugs?