Lets argue about the Wii [thread split]

[Poogis]

The Wii will die on its arse very soon in my opinion. I think the novelty and the gimmick of waving around a remote is wearing thin with a lot of people. I think Nintendo have forgotten the actual gaming side of business.

Was Zelda: TP that good on the Wii? It's all just the same old crap that we've seen years ago - but for today's prices. And don't get me started on the Virtual Console. I was looking forward to downloading some retro classics at a reasonable price but no way am I paying those prices for games that are ten years old (and over).

I'm playing Pikmin 2 and that's a gamecube game. It's only because I feel I have to buy something to play on it as I'm struggling otherwise.

Search your feelings. You know I'm right.

[Dagless]

The Wii will die on its arse very soon in my opinion. I think the novelty and the gimmick of waving around a remote is wearing thin with a lot of people. I think Nintendo have forgotten the actual gaming side of business.

Yea I sure hate Nintendo for not bringing out excellent games on the DS and Gameboy Advance. All I'm seeing on the Wii is the DS all over again, so-so initial support, devs later buy bucket loads of dev kits, it rules supreme. So far we're up to the en masse dev kit buying stage. The Gamecube never got here.

Was Zelda: TP that good on the Wii? It's all just the same old crap that we've seen years ago - but for today's prices. And don't get me started on the Virtual Console. I was looking forward to downloading some retro classics at a reasonable price but no way am I paying those prices for games that are ten years old (and over).

Yes it was. Zelda TP, in many gamers eyes, was the next best game since OoT. Infact it's the highest rated game for current gen systems. Time will tell if it can inch up the marks and swallow up OoT for the number 1 spot.
What I really don't want is last gen games in HD, I'd much rather opt for a new control scheme to fundamentally change how a game is played than seeing more detail on screen, especially at the price tags of the HD systems.
And the VC? Come on, your British. You should know how much the same games cost in shops. Zelda I on the NES goes for £15-30 in shops, £3.50 on Wii. Ocarina of Time? £15-30, £7 on Wii. Hell I bought the original Kirby's Adventure for £5 months ago when it's just £3.50 on the Wii! I can't speak for the lesser known games, but lord soon I'll be able to buy Super Smash Bros for £7 instead of the £30 GameStation are charging or Chrono Trigger for £5 instead of £70 in store! I see no problem. I'm getting games for less (even cheaper if you buy Wii points from Woolworths, they're a quid cheaper than Nintendo's shop).

Search your feelings. You know I'm right.
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What a ridiculous post. If you read ANY review that is reviewing a first person shooter, you will see that nearly every review is saying that this interface is just as good and sometimes better than the keyboard and mouse configuration.

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I'm tired of hearing these crap responses. It is one thing if you don't like the Wii, that is fine. If you want to bring up some faults that it has, do so by backing up your statements. Don't say that Call of Duty was crap when a lot of reviewers out there are saying it is a better single player game than its counterpart on the 360 BECAUSE of the Wii's control.

QFT:) I can't wait for some FPS/A games to start coming out. Metroid supposedly has the First Person control method perfected and I honestly can't wait to get my hands on a Hunters style Wii game.

[Sky Blue]

The Wii will die on its arse very soon in my opinion.

Sales numbers say "hi!"

[gloss]

Sales numbers say "hi!"

Hello, Sales.

[MacRumorUser]

Yes it was. Zelda TP, in many gamers eyes, was the next best game since OoT. Infact it's the highest rated game for current gen systems.

really ? ;)

http://www.metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbx/halo

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/godofwar2?q=god%20of%20war

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/legendofzeldatwilightprincess?q=zelda

[Dagless]

really ? ;)

http://www.metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbx/halo

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/godofwar2?q=god%20of%20war

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/legendofzeldatwilightprincess?q=zelda

Infact it's the highest rated game for current gen systems.

http://wii.nintendo.co.uk/

[Agilus]

really ? ;)


If you take into account the user ratings (also listed in your links), it wins hands down. ;)

[Sky Blue]

really ? ;)

http://www.metacritics.com/games/platforms/xbx/halo

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/godofwar2?q=god%20of%20war



Xbox and PS2 current gen ??:confused:

[gloss]

Well, to be fair, Twilight Princess is only barely current-gen. It would be like if they ported GoW 2 to PS3 and added nothing but tilt controls.

[TheGimp]

Hello, Sales.

LOL.

[Agilus]

Well, to be fair, Twilight Princess is only barely current-gen. It would be like if they ported GoW 2 to PS3 and added nothing but tilt controls.

Cool. That sounds like it renders the HD point just about moot. :)

[saunders45]

Actually, the Wii version of Madden 07 is the best reviewed (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/maddennfl07) of all of them. Which reviews were you referring to?

Wrong...

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932190.asp?q=madden%2007

Zelda TP, in many gamers eyes, was the next best game since OoT. Infact it's the highest rated game for current gen systems. Time will tell if it can inch up the marks and swallow up OoT for the number 1 spot.

In Nintendo fans eyes maybe, but by the logic, then the "horribly buggy" and "unplayable" Oblivion is only %.6 behind it. So is TP really that bad that it's only %.6 ahead, or are you going to admit that you might be "slightly" biased?

EDIT: Side note, I still haven't opened mine.

[gloss]

Wrong...

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932190.asp?q=madden%2007

Different sources, different scores. Regardless, it's hardly considered an inferior product, and the control scheme has been generally regarded as quite fun and intuitive.

I was mostly responding to...

Don't buy the madden football game because its a joke on the Wii. Don't take my word for it go buy a few magazines and read some reviews. They will tell you the same things.

...and regardless of which link you look at, they both refute this statement.

[MacRumorUser]

Xbox and PS2 current gen ??:confused:

Well, to be fair, Twilight Princess is only barely current-gen. It would be like if they ported GoW 2 to PS3 and added nothing but tilt controls.

EXACTLY. TP should be seen as it is - a gamecube game. :)

[saunders45]

Different sources, different scores. Regardless, it's hardly considered an inferior product, and the control scheme has been generally regarded as quite fun and intuitive.

While I agree that it isn't an inferior product, even your link doesn't produce a higher score.

http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=madden+07&ty=3&x=0&y=0

[e²Studios]

You know you have to use the remote during the game to point at things on screen, right?

You hold the controller old school style, sideways like a d pad with two buttons. there is no pointing or motion gimmicks. Unless of course Nintendo Power is spreading false rumors about 1st party games.. i hate it when they do that :p

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe. Hell even the media around here has forgotten about the Wii, i give it a year before the consumers forget too, hello GCN 2.0, not that its a bad thing i loved my GCN, I just dont see Nintendo going very far this gen with the Wii.

Ed

[gloss]

While I agree that it isn't an inferior product, even your link doesn't produce a higher score.

http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=madden+07&ty=3&x=0&y=0

I was only comparing it to the 360 and PS3 incarnations, where it does. But yes, compared to the PS2, Xbox, PC, etc versions it is a bit lower.

[gloss]

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe.

You should tell that to the people who are still lining up out here to get one.

[zero2dash]

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe. Hell even the media around here has forgotten about the Wii, i give it a year before the consumers forget too, hello GCN 2.0, not that its a bad thing i loved my GCN, I just dont see Nintendo going very far this gen with the Wii.

Ed

Got any proof of that?

If anyone tried creating false demand, it's Sony. "Ps3s are sold out everywhere", BS. I can readily walk into any store within a 10 mile radius of my house and buy a Ps3 if I wanted to. 20 or 60 gig

Stop spreading FUD.

[2nyRiggz]

^I haven't heard that since december....what I'm hearing now is that they are doing a good job of keeping the system on the shelf....not selling out.



Bless

[Dagless]

Stop the FUD!

Plenty of Wii's are arriving in the UK. I don't know the US system, but my local shops (middle of nowhere place) get 8-15 units twice a week. Multiply that by however many shops there are, online too, and also add more because inner city areas get more... There are so many coming in. Yet you cannot just walk into a shop to buy one.

The only Wii thing in general I have seen in plentiful stock is the Classic Controller and Wii Points. cables, systems, even GAMES are proving impossible to find.

So much demand for this little white box :)

Nobody want to bring up the TalkSport PS3 vs Wii competition?

[Dagless]

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe. Hell even the media around here has forgotten about the Wii, i give it a year before the consumers forget too, hello GCN 2.0, not that its a bad thing i loved my GCN, I just dont see Nintendo going very far this gen with the Wii.

Ed

What makes you say that?
The Wii has already gone further than the Cube did, in the grand scheme of things they have snapped up (recently) a lot of large 3rd party devs. So much that smaller studios can't get their hands on them yet. Several small studios I talk to can't get any just yet. Which is a shame as the Wii is really proving popular to these small studios with the low dev costs.
Cube never got this far. But what did? The DS.
Cube also never had this kind of media frenzy or initial demand.
Hmm.

[2nyRiggz]

Stop the FUD!

Plenty of Wii's are arriving in the UK. I don't know the US system

Ummm your saying stop the FUD but you don't know how it is in the US....okay then.

TalkSport PS3 vs Wii competition.....sure lets have some tea and talk about it...you first:)



Bless

[aidanpendragon]

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe.

That doesn't make logical sense. More sales = more reason for developers to make games for the system, resulting in still more sales, etc. (exactly opposite what happened with Gamecube). This increased dev. interest is already happening, by all reports. Objective sales figures are very high, so I see no reason to doubt that they're selling everything they can make.

Also - Nintendo makes profit on every console sold; why exactly would they not want to maximize sales & thus profit...?

[Sky Blue]

I don't get this "creating false demand" argument. The Jan US hardware figures for Wii were 436k compared to Playstation 2 299k, Xbox 360 294k, and Playstation 3 244k. If selling nearly 500,000 is with limited supply, I'd like to see what you could sell if they weren't holding back units.

Nintendo love money, the more they can sell the better for them.

[zero2dash]

I don't get this "creating false demand" argument.

It's not an 'argument', it's FUD. :p
Nintendo has not created false demand whatsoever.
They've manufactured, shipped and sold more consoles than anyone else for the last several months.

It would be different if the manufacturing vs shipped/sold numbers were skewed (like Sony is known for doing).

AFAIK it looks like if you look at the manufactured/shipped totals vs. sold, Nintendo comes out about even = no false demand.

[Coded-Dude]

They are not meeting demand, and are also delaying shipments to certain retailers(for weeks at a time)......that is creating a larger demand than what it would be if they could keep units on the shelves.

One could legitimately argue; that is creating false demand. But then again, we don't known everything Ninty knows.
Its interesting when you can walk into your local gamestore, who has just been informed they are getting NO Wii's for 6 weeks.
The demand is there, but the supply is not.

I'm not arguing that they aren't already doing better than the competiton, but couldn't they be taking their time so as to not "flood" the market.
Ninty might be worried that once the "hype" dies, sales might to.

[zero2dash]

Ninty might be worried that once the "hype" dies, sales might to.

What is this hype you speak of? :)

In all seriousness and honesty, I haven't heard much of any Wii hype since November. Hell, all my friends generally dislike the system as a whole and in terms of public hype, I haven't heard much of anything about the system since November save for an ad here or there. It's not like it's being covered on the five o'clock news twice a week or anything. I think the initial shock of the system was the source of most of the hype, but since then - I don't see much hype other than "they're hard to find" which is more complaining than hype. :D

This goes for the Ps3 also though...I haven't heard much of anything about the Ps3 either except for occasionally seeing the Resistance ad or walking by a kiosk at a store.

[Coded-Dude]

The lack of availability is the hype to which I refer. (its more of an "underground hype")
You are not hearing news outlets continually report shortages, but word of mouth is stronger amongst consumers than many believe.

People still call/visit multiple stores daily looking for Wii's.
Its the topic of conversation I hear occasionally among people in such stores and in other places.

[zero2dash]

The lack of availability is the hype to which I refer. (its more of an "underground hype")
You are not hearing news outlets continually report shortages, but word of mouth is stronger amongst consumers than many believe.

People still call/visit multiple stores daily looking for Wii's.
Its the topic of conversation I hear occasionally among people in such stores and in other places.

I guess your definition of hype (or what pops into your head) is different than mine. :)

I see hype as:

"liek OMGWTFBBQ dis is tha BEST GAME EVAR!!!! uve GOTTA BUY!"

-not-

"d00d WTF no Wiis in stock still *&#@ ive GOTTA GET 1one!!!!~"

To each his own I guess :D

[Phobophobia]

Coded-Dude, I'd like to see some sources that talk about how Nintendo is delaying shipments. I have no reason to believe this to be true. You may be confusing delaying shipments with stores stockpiling inventory, which does happen but is not Nintendo's doing.

Either way, Nintendo doesn't have to do anything to keep demand up. It's up, and has no reason to go down in the short term. Stores are desperate to sell PS3's at this point.

[Coded-Dude]

Go talk to GAME stores....ask them when their next shipment is.
I was talking to the local Gamstop Manager, he said one more shipment next week, and then nothing for like 6 weeks.

People I have talked to on other forums are hearing the same things.(employees and customers of GAME stores)
I don't know if this is exclusive to EB Games/Gamestop or not, but others have confirmed this as well.

Who the hell is stockpiling Wii's They sell out in hours with no shipments for a week.
I didn't say anything about keeping demand high, I am talking about why SUPPLY is not higher, especially if demand is so high.

...and your PS3 statement is false. If stores were "desperate" to sell Ps3's they wouldn't be ordering more, but thanks for trying.

[JackAxe]

Hype for the Wii... Buhaahhahaaaa. If hype is the absolute joy it has brought my friends, relatives, and Meeeeeee, than hype rocks. :p

<]=)

[-M7-]

I think the discussion went pretty much off topic.

The OP wanted to know if he should buy a wii now or wait a little more. He certainly did't want fanboys defending Sony by spreading some FUD.

If you don't own stock of Nintendo or Sony, why care who sells how many consoles? Get a life.

Just my 2 cents.

[Coded-Dude]

He certainly did't want fanboys defending Sony by spreading some FUD.
Sony was mentioned twice in this thread, adn neither time was it in their "defense" per se.
But way to further derail the convo by insulting users and calling them fanboys. ;)

If supply/demand issues are not concerns for buyers, thats fine, but it something that I considered when I bought my Wii and PS3...

[Dagless]

Thats funny Coded... My girlfriend's mates are all after Wii's, they've got pre-orders at the place she got one of her systems from (GameStation) and they visit every Thursday and Monday, the days they get systems. Nothing about "shipments stopping for 6 weeks". The longest I've heard from Gamestation was 3 weeks, this was just after launch.

It's crazy to see how shops can't keep hold of stock (that's with this demand, check NPD) yet it has been 3 months since launch and you still cannot get them in stores.

[Poogis]

What the hell is FUD? And I'll swap my Wii for a PS3 if the Wii is that great (and I don't even want a PS3).

I hate to admit it, but I'm on my third 360, sounds like a Harrier Jump Jet and it can still do no wrong. Also, why the hell is nobody buying Viva Pinata? It's very addictive. The sort of game Nintendo should be producing and getting on the Wii (oh yeah, they used to own the damn company).

Everyone - get out Viva Pinata and buy, buy, buy as I want a VP sequel!

[Agilus]

If supply/demand issues are not concerns for buyers, thats fine, but it something that I considered when I bought my Wii and PS3...

I'm confused as to why that would concern you? If it has good games, you want it, and you see it available, why would it being hard to get for others keep you from buying it?

What would possess you to ask a Gamestop manager about their supply issues, unless you're digging for ammo for web forums? It's just a bizarre thing to ask.

[Agilus]

What the hell is FUD?

FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It's trying to make someone afraid of purchasing something by spreading misinformation. It's kind of like spreading rumors about a person.

[Coded-Dude]

My original intent was to get a PS3 at launch and buy a Wii later.
After discovering supply/demand issues, I decided to buy the Wii at launch and get the PS3 when it was available.
(which worked out for me as PS3 became available before Wii)

I wasn't asking about it, I spend a lot of time and money there, and sometime we jsut shoot the ****.
He tells us how his sales are going for all consoles and when we can expect certain products.

[Dagless]

I see Poogis has replied without stating why he thinks the Wii will die :rolleyes:

I think Apple will die, or Microsoft. Why? I dunno! donut ask me!

[JackAxe]

Just watch the cartoon Poogis. That way you can visually show your support. :) You know all of the hardcore gamers that are now in their late teens are simply too mature for that type of game. It's all about image...

If I owned a 360, I would buy it. But my purchase is hinging on Mass Effect + keyboard + mouse support. Then I could also play BioShock and not have to upgrade my PC.

--------------------

Check out this new PS2 game. (http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen-hires/41160/Tony-Hawks-American-Wasteland/)

Oops, that's a 360 launch game. :o

<]=)

[Dagless]

snipped!

Yea :o it's all nice still the FUD and people without Wii's (read topic title) appear.

Time for HL2.

[Coded-Dude]

Now I'm curious as to how many posters that replied dont/didn't have a Wii......

[JackAxe]

Everyone that owns a Wii say "I."

I

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[Ja Di ksw]

I

[MacRumorUser]

I

[Agilus]

Everyone that owns a Wii say "I."
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Heh. Wouldn't it be better to just start a poll? And what does owning a platform have to do with anything? You can own a platform and still be a hater. And you can lie about whether you own a platform, and no one will know.

Saying you have "all the platforms" or a particular platform has just become a way to try to prove that you're "impartial" or "not biased", and that your words should hold more weight, when it really doesn't mean jack.

Whatever you own, your arguments/logic can still be bogus. It's your arguments that matter.

[Coded-Dude]

Well I bought one, owned it, and assessed my usage wasn't enough to validate keeping it......so I sold it
I do plan on buying it again, but not until Mario Galaxies.

However that shoudn't negate my posts as I did what he was trying to avoid.
Buying something and regretting it(to an extent)

I loved the Will, bu there were not enough games to justify keeping it and the PS3.

[spencecb]

Go talk to GAME stores....ask them when their next shipment is.
I was talking to the local Gamstop Manager, he said one more shipment next week, and then nothing for like 6 weeks.


This is utter crap. Unless you know the Gamestop Manager personally, he or she is definitely going to lie to you. That is how those types of stores work. They don't want to be bothered by people running into the store when they say a new shipment is going to arrive. They just tell you they have no idea, because they know they will sell it one way or another.

I know this because this is how I go my Wii. I know a manager at an EB Games. He knew for a fact that he was getting one single console in, and he told me exactly when to be there.

When you work in retail, it is never a mystery of what you are getting for the week/daily shipment. You know what is coming in, so you have time to prep for it.

It's simple, really. These people are simply not telling the truth.

[JackAxe]

Heh. Wouldn't it be better to just start a poll? And what does owning a platform have to do with anything? You can own a platform and still be a hater. And you can lie about whether you own a platform, and no one will know.

Saying you have "all the platforms" or a particular platform has just become a way to try to prove that you're "impartial" or "not biased", and that your words should hold more weight, when it really doesn't mean jack.

Whatever you own, your arguments/logic can still be bogus. It's your arguments that matter.

What be this "poll (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269688&highlight=360+PS3+Wii+poll)"?

I was just bouncing of Code-Dude's comment for the fun of it. But since you "singled" me out... Thanks for generalizing everyhting. :)

<]=)

[JackAxe]

I loved the Will, bu there were not enough games to justify keeping it and the PS3.

I have sort of an opposite issues. I'm waiting for more PS3 content to come along, so I can justify a purchase. Until then, it's off to my friend's place if I have an itch to play one.

Hmmmm.... What should I buy first... PS3, or a Korg (http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_korg_kontrol49_49key_midiusb_controller?full_sku=103057964)... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

<]=)

[Dagless]

Korg! Never ever sacrifice creative tools for something as petty as a games consoles.

[Agilus]

What be this "poll (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269688&highlight=360+PS3+Wii+poll)"?

I was just bouncing of Code-Dude's comment for the fun of it. But since you "singled" me out... Thanks for generalizing everyhting. :)

<]=)

I knew there was a poll out there somewhere, but was too lazy to look it up. Sorry if I came off harsh. :)

[noel4r]

I, The Wii is definitely worth it. Sold my Xbox 360 to get the Wii. For the casual gamer, like myself, it's a no brainer....

[ericsthename]

What the hell people? Seriously, what the hell? Can't we talk about a subject without it becoming an arguing amount how one system or another is horrible and the company is pulling bs tactics on us?

To quote Huey Freeman, "And stop the d*** [arguing]! Act like you got some godd*** sense people!"

To the original poster, some developers have it, some definitely do not. Excite Truck, Trauma Center, and *some* of Super Monkey Ball are really good. I've also played but don't own Elebits and thought the controls were good. I've also played some games that don't have good control, but I didn't play them for that long.

As other people have pointed out, it took the DS awhile to get some of it's better games pumped out, and some of them still don't have it (and I'm still waiting on Zelda for the DS Nintendo!!!!!). Give the Wii a bit if you don't really want one right now, better games will come. That being said, I love mine, so if you get one now there are games out there that are fun.

****One important thing! A lot of games take a bit to get use to! This is a new way of controlling games, and some games that you may think have bad controls when you pick up will turn into games that have controls you love after some practice. Then again, they might not. Renting is a good option to check this out. And of course, it will vary by person. Some will love the controls from a game while others will hate them.


Hahaha, I don't think people discuss consoles anymore, it's more of a war. Here's how I usually do gaming, based on last gen:

I got a gamecube first, once Mario Sunshine came out because I love mario.

I'd been hearing good things about the xbox, and too much about Halo, so I got an xbox about a year later. I was partly satisfied, but I saw a lot of missed potential with the xbox. There were still games I really liked that wern't available, or didnt have comparable substitutes on the 'cube (Halo 1,2 and Project Gotham - Forza etc. etc.). The fact that MS crippled things like DVD playback and no burned CD loading was a huge setback for the xbox though.

I didnt get a PS2 until Gran Turismo 4 came out. I've always loved racing games, and the ridiculous amount of pure racing and number of cars in this game made it worthwhile - especially seeing as i paid about 150 bucks for a refurbed slimline and a memory card. Paying for basic storage was killer after having an xbox with 10 gigs though... 20-30 bucks for 8 megs? that was horrible sony! I really liked other things about the PS2 though. I thought that the graphics would be terrible considering it had such a paltry processor-graphics card, but Gran Turismo 4 really blew me away. I was also impressed by how quiet the slimline was, although I'm aware that the regular PS2s, particularly the early ones were noisy.

So, when MS unveiled their hardcore stance with the 360, and managed to get a triple core, 3.2 ghz G5 (basically) out the gate a full year ahead of Sony and Nintendo I couldn't resist. MS ironed out a lot of the issues I had with the first xbox, and introduced a lot of cool features. In fact, xbox live became worth purchasing to me.

The Wii has interested me since development, and even though I bought a 360, I planned on getting the nintendo even if it was only for mario. I was caught by surprise that so many people caught onto the wii bandwagon right away. Now, several months into the Wii, I still haven't seen one on store shelves despite 10 or so casual attempts at stopping in early on weekdays. I've been a bit disappointed at the lack of games that have come out for the Wii since its release, although I realize that its not uncommon with young consoles. I'm mostly comparing it to the 360, which launched with a rather stronger (in my opinion) lineup, and slowly trickled out some decent titles (even that recently disputed GOTY oblivion!)

So, to sum it up, thats the history behind this question I'm asking - whether or not the wii control system has and-or will catch on as intended. Do you guys see the wii hitting the wall once availability is better? Will the new control scheme mean that the Wii is ONLY good for a select bunch of games? Will there be a Wii 2.0 very soon?

It just seems to me like when I really think it through, the Wii is still a 280 dollar (canadian) toy right now (even though I'd really really like one just for the novelty), and that it's future is on razor's edge. I know that there are many nintendo fans here - myself included (remember I bought the cube first!) - but is this the same impression that others get?

[JackAxe]

Anyway, this was all of your fault for bringing out the normal in all of us and stirring up a bit of rehashed rambling, since like that other thing we all have, we all have our opinions, which with some can change from day to day. But that's a good thing. :)

You didn't mod your XBox. You mean you paid for your games... :eek: I only know one person that didn't mod his XBox, my cousin, he's an accountant. I thought it was funny that the only game console he's ever bought, was Microsoft's entry into the market. :o

A Wii with DVD option will be out later this year, but beyond that, you're looking at the average 6 years or so for something completely new. By then the PS4 and x361 will be out with their own Wiimotes.

The Wii's controls can play any existing genre of games and many that weren't really practical at all on other consoles. I say this allot, but the Wiimote is a real pointer. This opens the floodgate of PC only games, many that were slowly killed off, because they didn't play well on a console. Besides the classic controller which is great, the Wiimote and Nunchuck are basically a normal game pad split in two. This is actually quite comfortable. It's easy to relax and get lazy this way, since I'm not required to bring my arms together to hold a normal pad. Anyway, Nintendo knows that some games are best played with a d-pad, or analogue stick, but others really needed a pointer, and for others a way to receive real world input.

The Wii is no more a toy than any other game console. Afterall, gaming is for the kid in all of us. The Wii just managed to bring that kid out in all ages, including some real old-timers up in their seventies from my experience. I couldn't pay some of my relatives enough to sit down and thumb-twiddle with me on any other console, but give them a Wiimote and Wii Sports and they grasp on to the concept right away. Even my dad, whom thought I was bringing over one my me-toys and hasn't played one of my games since Doom 2, even got into the fun.

And unlike that other white next-gen console, one can get the news, weather, and even use the Wii for pron, just to tick-off a self-serving-non-profit-religious-organization that operates in secrecy based here in California. :) So this makes the Wii a step above your average toy, but by no means a comp replacment.

A tripple core "watered" downd G5 that's about 35&#37; proof. ;) The PPC in the Wii also shares some traits with the G5. The way it handles memory from what I understand. Anyway, Microsoft caught my attention when they announced they were using a 3xPPC also, but when that made-over-to-be-cool-shaved-head guy stated it was a Media Center while lying down, I lost interest.

Anway, to all their own. The Wii's selection was more than enough to get me to buy it on day one, considering it was offering something new. If not for the DS providing me with so much fun, I would have probably waited though. The 360 and the PS3's launch titles weren't worth the price of admision in my opinion. I like sports to a point, especially with an input like the Wiimote, but they were the 360's primary line up and most looked only marginally better than the previous gen. So playing the same game again, with the same controls really didn't appeal to many of my friends and I. I guess even though my age is considered the average for gamers, I didn't fall into that hardcore category, which the 360 and PS3 seemed be targeting. The same peeps that enjoy channels like G4TV. :o

Blah. Arrrggh, must finish my work and stop rambling off on tangents.

<]=)

[MacRumorUser]

I have sort of an opposite issues. I'm waiting for more PS3 content to come along, so I can justify a purchase. Until then, it's off to my friend's place if I have an itch to play one.

Hmmmm.... What should I buy first... PS3, or a Korg (http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_korg_kontrol49_49key_midiusb_controller?full_sku=103057964)... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

<]=)

nice. We just ordered an M-Audio Ozonic :)

[Poogis]

I see Poogis has replied without stating why he thinks the Wii will die :rolleyes:

I think Apple will die, or Microsoft. Why? I dunno! donut ask me!

OK. Point taken as I didn't explain myself. And yes, I have a dusty Wii.

The Wii, in my humble opininon, is old technology running old software and they charge a lot of money for this old software. Look at the scope in multiplayer in the PC, 360, PS2, PSP and PS3 games for example, and the Wii? I'm not a huge multiplayer fan but I can appreciate playing someone on online and getting fun from it. The Wii just fools me into thinking it's the early 90s with the same games and gimmicks.

I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable. The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.

The past has shown that there isn't enough room for too many consoles (Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube). A lot of posters seem to me like they have to go out and keep this Wii thing going by buying some really average games.

This is just my view of it all. Don't be angry - I still like it.

ps. Zelda Twilight Princess was average. Very average.

[Dagless]

And you don't think that's a good thing? The Gamecube sold equally as much as an Xbox despite no online, despite "mature" games. The Wii is on a selling spree without online play and "average" games.

If anything that tells me this is a perfect platform that's ripe for some killer games (which will be delivered in 2007 too, games like Mario, Metroid, your options aside - they sell like hot cakes).

This line is quite interesting-The past has shown that there isn't enough room for too many consoles (Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube).
So what gives? The 360 and PS3 are virtually the same machine. To the public they both have the same face button layout, same number of shoulder buttons, both HD and have super fast CPU chips, HDD's, etcetc. If anything one of them will go. Not the cheap machine flying off the shelves providing players with an absolute different experience. That is why the Wii is dominating, because it's giving people an option. WTF kind of market is one without an option like the Wii - a system not aimed at people with HD sets, a system less than half the price of the most expensive one, a system that encourages non-gamers to have a go, a system that's tiny, low power running, built in the image of the DS... etc. If there wasn't a Wii I wouldn't have any current gen console yet, I don't agree with this image of taking previous games and upping the res.

[zero2dash]

I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable. The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.

So...Nintendo has no money and makes no profit then?
Really...?
I suggest you go look up how much profit Nintendo has made since they started making video game consoles then.

And on top of that, Nintendo has the trump card of 'cash cows' - their portable systems. Which have outsold every other console, ever, to this day.

FYI: Sega stopped making consoles because they were in the red for the majority of 3 console lifespans (late Genesis, all of Saturn, all of Dreamcast). Dreamcast sold and made them some money, but they were so far in the hole from the negatives and no profit on the SegaCD/32X days, and then the Saturn sold for crap in every gaming nexus except Asia where it sold moderately well...nevertheless, they were still deep in the red.

Nintendo is nowhere near being in the same boat as Sega when Sega stopped manufacturing hardware.

The past has shown that there isn't enough room for too many consoles (Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube).

There's not enough room for three/four consoles in one generation? Pfft. :p
Ridiculous.

Saturn -> Playstation -> Nintendo 64
Dreamcast -> Playstation 2 -> Xbox -> Gamecube

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 3 consoles in the current "generation" as well.

But 3 is too much though. :rolleyes:
Whaaaaatever...

[Sky Blue]

I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable.

I LOLed.

[Coded-Dude]

This is utter crap. Unless you know the Gamestop Manager personally, he or she is definitely going to lie to you. That is how those types of stores work. They don't want to be bothered by people running into the store when they say a new shipment is going to arrive. They just tell you they have no idea, because they know they will sell it one way or another.

I know this because this is how I go my Wii. I know a manager at an EB Games. He knew for a fact that he was getting one single console in, and he told me exactly when to be there.

When you work in retail, it is never a mystery of what you are getting for the week/daily shipment. You know what is coming in, so you have time to prep for it.

It's simple, really. These people are simply not telling the truth.

Yes I do know him personally, but thanks for trying. Its simple really, he was telling me the truth.
Liek I said, I'm in there often enough and spend enough money there that he has no reason to lie to me.
You think he wants me to not come back and spend more money there.

The other reports were from people I know online that work in other areas.
Your statement is utter crap...:rolleyes:

I have sort of an opposite issues. I'm waiting for more PS3 content to come along, so I can justify a purchase. Until then, it's off to my friend's place if I have an itch to play one.
Blu-Ray was the deciding factor for me....I can watch HD movies while I wait for games on BOTH platforms.. :cool:

[Agilus]

I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable. The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.


I laughed when I read this, too. It's funny to see it resurface, which it does with every major Nintendo console release. Good timing, considering my post from yesterday in the PSP/DS thread.

I agree. I distinctly remember all sorts of calls of, "The DS is just a gimmick," and, "The DS is so underpowered," and, "Nintendo only makes kiddy games, and once they lose the handheld market to the PSP, they'll be doomed. Why oh why don't they just stop making consoles and sell games on the other platforms?"

[Wallace25]

I see Nintendo staying around for a long time. They were one of the first major systems for home use, and have competed with the others as they come along. Xbox has a powerful backing with Microsoft, but Nintendo has deep roots.

[ddrueckhammer]

OK. Point taken as I didn't explain myself. And yes, I have a dusty Wii.

The Wii, in my humble opininon, is old technology running old software and they charge a lot of money for this old software. Look at the scope in multiplayer in the PC, 360, PS2, PSP and PS3 games for example, and the Wii? I'm not a huge multiplayer fan but I can appreciate playing someone on online and getting fun from it. The Wii just fools me into thinking it's the early 90s with the same games and gimmicks.

I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable. The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.

The past has shown that there isn't enough room for too many consoles (Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube). A lot of posters seem to me like they have to go out and keep this Wii thing going by buying some really average games.

This is just my view of it all. Don't be angry - I still like it.

ps. Zelda Twilight Princess was average. Very average.

Um yeah...I guess you didn't know that Nintendo is extremely profitable. They have like 15 billion in the bank. (Don't quote me on the exact number)

The Wii will have online. Hold your horses.

There is plenty of room for Nintendo to go on forever if they continue to make a profit.

I'm sorry you thought Twighlight Princess was average. Unfortunately, I think you are outnumbered by a vast majority of people who think it was great.

Do you have a Wii? If you don't then try one out. The motion controls aren't gimmicky IMO. Much like the DS, it will take 3rd parties a while to utilize them to their full extent.

Most people don't have HDTVs so the power of the 360 and PS3 is useless. If you have one great but I'm not sure that the mass market cares that much yet. If Nintendo wants, to they can upgrade the Wii before the competition have their next gen consoles out and sell many more. They should be able to have 360 lvl processors and graphics cards in the Wii for $250 by 2009-2010 and offer complete backward compatibility.

[Poogis]

Um yeah...I guess you didn't know that Nintendo is extremely profitable. They have like 15 billion in the bank. (Don't quote me on the exact number)

The Wii will have online. Hold your horses.

There is plenty of room for Nintendo to go on forever if they continue to make a profit.

I'm sorry you thought Twighlight Princess was average. Unfortunately, I think you are outnumbered by a vast majority of people who think it was great.

Do you have a Wii? If you don't then try one out. The motion controls aren't gimmicky IMO. Much like the DS, it will take 3rd parties a while to utilize them to their full extent.

Most people don't have HDTVs so the power of the 360 and PS3 is useless. If you have one great but I'm not sure that the mass market cares that much yet. If Nintendo wants, to they can upgrade the Wii before the competition have their next gen consoles out and sell many more. They should be able to have 360 lvl processors and graphics cards in the Wii for $250 by 2009-2010 and offer complete backward compatibility.

I'm having a 'LOL' about the offence I've caused. I thought this was an adult-to-adult type debate. It was only some constructive criticism regarding the Nintendo Wii, not an anti-Nintendo campaign.

Yes I have a Wii. No I don't have an HD TV even though I want one.

If Nintendo have so much money (and I know they do) why didn't they invest in their own hardware?

I will back away slowly now as I feel all unloved. I still love you all though.

[zero2dash]

I'm having a 'LOL' about the offence I've caused. I thought this was an adult-to-adult type debate. It was only some constructive criticism regarding the Nintendo Wii, not an anti-Nintendo campaign.

I will back away slowly now as I feel all unloved. I still love you all though.

You gave constructive criticism and received it in return. Or in some cases, you were shown where you were erroneous. I don't see the problem here. You're acting like five kids on the playground just made fun of your mom or something. I didn't see any name calling, flame baiting, or fanboy antics in any of the replies to your post. :confused:

[Poogis]

You gave constructive criticism and received it in return. Or in some cases, you were shown where you were erroneous. I don't see the problem here. You're acting like five kids on the playground just made fun of your mom or something. I didn't see any name calling, flame baiting, or fanboy antics in any of the replies to your post. :confused:

But... but...

[Dagless]

I will back away slowly now as I feel all unloved. I still love you all though.

That's alright, it's mutual :p

[Poogis]

Alright.

I'm off to play with my Wii (and I'm UK so I don't get the US genital/Wii link).

[evilgEEk]

...(and I'm UK so I don't get the US genital/Wii link).

I don't buy it!

Immaturity is universal! :D

From now on every time you say or hear "Wii", just snicker a little, it's great fun. ;)

I love my Wii *snicker* and I think it has great potential. I'm nearly done with Twilight Princess after close to 65 hours of game time. I don't think I have ever spent that much time on one game the first time through. I just enjoy playing it so much that I actually look forward to going through and finding all the little hidden areas and such. The reason for this is the control scheme, I just love playing it.

The other thing that I'm really looking forward to are racing and sports games, neither of which I've ever bought before (aside from NBA Courtside for the 'Cube which I thought was fun). But I'm really looking forward to trying Madden '07, or a hockey game, soccer.. etc.. The two games I'm really looking forward to right now is Tiger Woods PGA Tour '07 and any baseball game that can incorporate the Wiimote correctly.

Anyway... Enough rambling. My point here is that the Wii makes me interested in genres that I never really cared about before.

It has great potential in my opinion. :)

[ddrueckhammer]

I'm having a 'LOL' about the offence I've caused. I thought this was an adult-to-adult type debate. It was only some constructive criticism regarding the Nintendo Wii, not an anti-Nintendo campaign.

Yes I have a Wii. No I don't have an HD TV even though I want one.

If Nintendo have so much money (and I know they do) why didn't they invest in their own hardware?

I will back away slowly now as I feel all unloved. I still love you all though.

I wasn't offended. You gave your opinion and I rebutted it. If my response was offensive, I appoligize.

Nintendo did invest in their own hardware. They developed the Wiimote and a console about twice as powerful as its predecessor which wasn't the weakest of the last gen consoles. In doing so, they provided an affordable console with mass market appeal. Like Apple they choose not to use their hardware as a loss leader. That is to say, they aren't losing tons of money on every console sold. This doesn't mean people who buy Wiis are getting shafted. Rather, they are getting what they pay for. If I were to critisize the Wii, I would say that its accessories are too expensive. Wiimote + Nunchuck = $60 WTF?

[Dagless]

If I were to critisize the Wii, I would say that its accessories are too expensive. Wiimote + Nunchuck = $60 WTF?

I've got a fair few criticisms too.
-Loud DVD drive. polar opposite ofr my almost silent Cube (though the Wii fans are definitely quieter)
-slow SD transfer (encryption)
-would have liked Profile accounts that tie to Mii's for customised menu pages (though this would have to be implimented very fluidly.
-faster boot ups
-Classic Controller work with Gamecube games.
-No GB games in VC, no VC game transfer to DS?
-No VC transportation between consoles
-NOT REGION FREE, though the modchip I'll be getting will solve that. £23 for Excite Truck? ooooooh yesh.

[TheGimp]

My biggest criticism of the Wii design is that of it not coming with a simple ethernet jack so I can plug it into my dsl modem. Having given up on trying to get the wii online using network sharing via my g4 powerbook's airport card (yep, read all related threads, even tried what worked for the DS way back when I troubleshot for that and contributed to the relevant threads), and having despaired over not being able to download and single VC game yet (haven't been able to find the Lan adapter anywhere and I understand the wifi/usb adapter needs a windows pc), I pretty much resigned myself to vicarious enjoyment of the vc through virtual strangers (e.g. that raggedjimmi must be having one heck of a good time with HIS vc library and classic controller).

Then today I found out that a local store finally got some lan adapters in. So I go down my checklist, thinking, wii points card - got that covered. I understand wii points can be obtained online from Nintendo. Already have a cube controller, and the wii remote appears as if it would be servicable for most VC games given its d-pad and button layout.

Now I realize that a classic controller is mandatory for vc games (please tell me I'm wrong), meaning that, even if I can find one in stock, the admission price for playing even one vc game will be $80+tax ($30+$30+$20) including 2000 wii points as smallest purchasable denomination. A virtual scandal if you ask me. To a date I've spent ~$330 on the wii (not including extra games), extra remote, and component cable together, yet can't even play the Rayman mini games (nor wii boxing) with a friend because Nintendo only packs in one nunchuk and has the indecency of making consumers hunt down two components of the same control aparatus independently. I found this especially ironic in light of the fact that the 'revolution(ary) control scheme' is the Wiis biggest innovation. Makes me want to huck that lightweight piece of happy meal crap at the screen. Pack it in Nintendo, or get packin'. Mario may be the man, but unwavering support from your fan base is causing you to rest on your laurels.

[Agilus]

My biggest criticism of the Wii design is that of it not coming with a simple ethernet jack so I can plug it into my dsl modem. Having given up on trying to get the wii online using network sharing via my g4 powerbook's airport card (yep, read all related threads, even tried what worked for the DS way back when I troubleshot for that and contributed to the relevant threads), and having despaired over not being able to download and single VC game yet (haven't been able to find the Lan adapter anywhere and I understand the wifi/usb adapter needs a windows pc), I pretty much resigned myself to vicarious enjoyment of the vc through virtual strangers (e.g. that raggedjimmi must having one heck of good time with HIS vc library and classic controller).

Then today I found out that a local store finally got some lan adapters in. So I go down my checklist, thinking, wii points card - got that covered. I understand wii points can be obtained online from Nintendo. Already have a cube controller, and the wii remote appears to be servicable for VC games given its d-pad and numerous button.

Now I realize that a classic controller is mandatory for vc games (please tell me I'm wrong), meaning that, even if I can find one in stock, the admission price for playing even one vc game will be $80+tax ($30+$30+ $20, including purchase of 2000 wii points). A virtual scandal if you ask me, considering that to a date I've spent ~$330 on the wii (not including extra games), extra remote, and component cable together, yet can't even play the Rayman mini games (nor wii boxing) with a friend because Nintendo only gave me one nunchuk, that lightweight piece of crap that would be at home in a happy meal.

Do you have any gamecube controllers? From what I understand, those can be used in place of the classic controller.

[zero2dash]

My biggest criticism of the Wii design is that of it not coming with a simple ethernet jack so I can plug it into my dsl modem.

You can either get a USB wifi adapter for a computer (assuming you do have an available Windows computer that has hardwired internet access) or get a wireless router that works.

Should they have included the wired? It's questionable.
Microsoft chose wired over wireless, people complained.
Nintendo chose wireless over wired, people complained.
Sony...has both? (if you buy the 60 gig Ps3?)

Wired or wireless, doesn't bother me. I can roll both ways. :)

the admission price for playing even one vc game will be $80+tax ($30+$30+ $20, including purchase of 2000 wii points).

$20 + $20 = $40
Classic controller is $20.
2000 Wii points is $20.
Where are you coming up with a double charge?
(Unless you want 2 Classic controllers and 4000 Wii points.)

yet can't even play the Rayman mini games (nor wii boxing) with a friend because Nintendo only gave me one nunchuk, that lightweight piece of crap that would be at home in a happy meal.

You realize that it does have sensors in it, correct? It's not just a shoddy PCB with a couple of buttons and an analog stick. Granted, I know it's not exactly cheap, but...it's not a $5 leftover 10 year old technology either.

[Sky Blue]

Now I realize that a classic controller is mandatory for vc games (please tell me I'm wrong), meaning that, even if I can find one in stock, the admission price for playing even one vc game will be $80+tax ($30+$30+$20) including 2000 wii points as smallest purchasable denomination. A virtual scandal if you ask me. To a date I've spent ~$330 on the wii (not including extra games), extra remote, and component cable together, yet can't even play the Rayman mini games (nor wii boxing) with a friend because Nintendo only packs in one nunchuk and has the indecency of making consumers hunt down two components of the same control aparatus independently. I found this especially ironic in light of the fact that the 'revolution(ary) control scheme' is the Wiis biggest innovation. Makes me want to huck that lightweight piece of happy meal crap at the screen. Pack it in Nintendo, or get packin'.

The Cube controller can be used for all VC games, the Wii Remote (sideways) can be used from NES, TG16 and some Genesis games.

[TheGimp]

Do you have any gamecube controllers? From what I understand, those can be used in place of the classic controller.


As I mentioned in my previous post, I do indeed have a gc controller. Unless the ebgames employee to whom I just spoke (since my last post) is wrong, the classic controller is mandatory for vc games. He sounded quite sure of himself, one of the more intelligent sounding employees no less.


[EDIT] Turns out I was wrong about the classic controller being mandatory. Sorry.

[e²Studios]

As I mentioned in my previous post, I do indeed have a gc controller. Unless the ebgames employee to whom I just spoke (since my last post) is wrong, the classic controller is mandatory for vc games. He sounded quite sure of himself, one of the more intelligent sounding employees no less.

He is wrong :) if you look at the icons the CC and the GCN controller can be used for any game currently out. I like the CC, i just wish i could use it for any game instead of the wiimotes...

[TheGimp]

You can either get a USB wifi adapter for a computer (assuming you do have an available Windows computer that has hardwired internet access) or get a wireless router that works.

Wired or wireless, doesn't bother me. I can roll both ways. :)



$20 + $20 = $40
Classic controller is $20.
2000 Wii points is $20.
Where are you coming up with a double charge?




Especially considering that this is a Mac forum and that the USB/wifi adapter does not work with OSX (nor with windows 2000 in virtual PC - I've tried it), I think it's fair to include $30 for the lan adapter in the purchase price. As for the classic controller, I erred, thinking it was $30. If Nintendo is going to require that people have old micros$ck gear lying around just to download content, then at the very least they should allow vc games to be first downloaded to an SD card (yet another accessory) via a pc (e.g. one in the school computer lab).


To the guy saying that gc controllers do indeed work with vc games: If you're right then I guess I was ignorant. Happy fun times ahead!

[zero2dash]

Especially considering that this is a Mac forum and that the USB/wifi adapter does not work with OSX (nor with windows 2000 in virtual PC - I've tried it), I think it's fair to include $30 for the lan adapter in the purchase price. If Nintendo is going to require that people have old micros$ck gear lying around just to download content, then at the very least they should allow vc games to be first downloaded to an SD card (yet another accessory) via a pc (e.g. one in the school computer lab).

If you don't have a wireless router, that's not Nintendo or Microsoft's fault. :rolleyes:
Sure, add the extra $30 for an adapter.
Or go to Craigslist where you can probably buy a wireless router for half that price. :confused:

[aidanpendragon]

He is wrong :) if you look at the icons the CC and the GCN controller can be used for any game currently out. I like the CC, i just wish i could use it for any game instead of the wiimotes...

Indeed wrong, but a Classic controller is still a decent idea, and some games (Super Mario World, Super Contra) would be difficult/finger-bleeding to use a GC controller for.

Also, FYI for your math, if you buy direct from Nintendo, the smallest Points denomination is $10, not $20. That can get you Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Mario World, Mario 64, or another lengthy game. Some states don't charge tax on these online purchases, either.

As someone else pointed out, Classic controller is $19.99 MSRP. So your real total for LAN+controller+points is more like $60-65. That's only slightly higher than one Wii game and about the same as many 360/PS3 games. If you get a lengthy classic like the Zeldas or Marios, it will seem like less of a financial blow.

[Sky Blue]

Unless the ebgames employee to whom I just spoke (since my last post) is wrong, the classic controller is mandatory for vc games. He sounded quite sure of himself, one of the more intelligent sounding employees no less.

'Intelligent' and 'eb games' in the same paragraph?

[TheGimp]

Alright I'm off to purchase the $30 lan adapter. I'll let you guys know my first experience with the VC, assuming I get it working.

[evilgEEk]

I just wish the Classic Controller would work for 'Cube games. I don't necessarily prefer the CC over the 'Cube controller, but it would be nice simply for the convenience of not having to have an even larger stack of controllers lying about. ;)

Some folks say the "gimmick" of "swinging your arms about" is wearing off, but I honestly haven't heard any of that. I have six friends that have a Wii and not a single one has yet to say: "Man, I sure wish I didn't have to use the Wiimote to play this game.".

I love it, and I can't wait for more and better implementation of it. :D

The VC is excellent too, and reasonably priced, when thinking realistically in that no company is going to give something away for free. I loved going through Super Mario World, it really brought me back to that Christmas day many years ago spent with the family playing our Super Nintento that we just got.

Also being as though I never had an NES or N64, I'm really excited to finally play some of the games for those systems. And being able to just download a game for 5 or 10 bucks is so much nicer than having to find an old console and have it hooked up next to the Wii.

[JackAxe]

I'm also hoping for a firmware update, so that I can use the Classic Controllers on my Cube games. :)

I really like the Classic Controller, mainly because it's so great for 2D games. It's currently my favorite all around gamepad.

<]=)

[zap2]

They are not meeting demand, and are also delaying shipments to certain retailers(for weeks at a time)......that is creating a larger demand than what it would be if they could keep units on the shelves.
.

Ok, give us some proof. We have info that says the Wii is selling out, and Nintendo is still shipping tons of units.

All I hear is the lies of people who upset/shocked the Wii is selling so well

[atszyman]

I know I'm not tired of the arm waving after 2 months of playing the Wii. The biggest problem I have is finding time to actually play any games. I hooked it up to our main TV because it's the biggest TV in the house and actually has room if you want to stand and play games really actively so when the wife is awake the TV is usually used for other things. That being said, when I can free up a couple hours to play Zelda:TP I am usually lounging on the couch hands more or less at my sides only waving the remote minimally when necessary. I actually use the jump attack most of the time by targeting with Z and hitting the A button. I usually end up playing sports most of the time and typically use boxing as a way to loosen up before bed on the nights I go to the gym.

I find the Wiimote/nunchuck combo to be one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever used since I can just relax with my arms at my sides to play. I would like the Classic Controller opened to GameCube games since I never owned a cube and wouldn't mind playing some of the games, but I don't want to buy another controller.

I also find the VC to be one of the best features. I still kick myself for selling my SNES in college so now I can rebuild the library I once had LEGALLY. I really hope they get SMB3 out before June since my brother seemed interested in Wii Sports bowling and back in HS he used to play SMB3 quite a bit, heck it's the only cartridge I ever wore out. It just stopped working, no amount of cleaning/blowing would get it to work. I took it apart and managed to get the circuitboard to function for awhile, but it just couldn't take all the play. Can't wait to play it on the VC.

[zap2]

an but I can appreciate playing someone on online and getting fun from it. The Wii just fools me into thinking it's the early 90s with the same games and gimmicks.
Um...I don't think we ever sau anything like the Wii in the early 90s...honestly I have no idea what your talking about



I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable. The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.





I think NIntendo will be follow the Sega route and put out some great games for the other rivals and ditch the hardware. That's just my prediction, but I think it's inevitable.

Nintendo has gone on the record by saying the day the stop selling hardware is also the day they stop selling software. Plus Nintendo is still making boatloads of money. With the Gamecube the made money, and it was good enough to survive, but honest to say Nintendo w/ the DS and Wii are going anywere is just stupid. Nintendo has millions of dollars...they are making more money then MS and Sony when it comes to gaming.


QUOTE=Poogis;3405833] The others are doing what Nintendo does - but a lot better with a lot more money and resources.
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WHAT!? What systems are you talking about? I hope its not about the Wii and DS, because I'm pretty sure Sony and MS don't have a system like that.(Are you sure your not talking about gamecube/ps2/xbox?

[MBHockey]

The Wii isn't going to die any time soon because both hardcore gamers and traditional non-gamers are attracted to it.

My brother, who hasn't played a video game since the original nintendo, heard about the Wii and read up on it and became infatuated. He doesn't even know what a PS3 is. He couldn't care less about the raw power of an xbox 360 in terms of graphics. He just wants something that is fun. I found one for him, and then mailed it to him. He said it's a great stress relief for law school :)

[GFLPraxis]

The Wii will die on its arse very soon in my opinion. I think the novelty and the gimmick of waving around a remote is wearing thin with a lot of people. I think Nintendo have forgotten the actual gaming side of business.

Was Zelda: TP that good on the Wii? It's all just the same old crap that we've seen years ago - but for today's prices. And don't get me started on the Virtual Console. I was looking forward to downloading some retro classics at a reasonable price but no way am I paying those prices for games that are ten years old (and over).

I'm playing Pikmin 2 and that's a gamecube game. It's only because I feel I have to buy something to play on it as I'm struggling otherwise.

Search your feelings. You know I'm right.

The Wii is the DS 2.0.


Everyone called the DS a gimmick. The DS came out with a decent launch, then everything afterwards sucked for the first 6-9 months.

Then a wave of good titles hit.

I remember this forum. People traded in their DS's for PSP's because the DS didn't have enough good games. Six months later they were trading their PSP's in and getting DS's again.

Developers have seen how well the Wii is selling and are rushing out to get Wii dev kits. Nintendo's first party lineup is going to slam this Christmas season, and 2008 will be the year of the third parties.

[Dagless]

Some folks say the "gimmick" of "swinging your arms about" is wearing off, but I honestly haven't heard any of that. I have six friends that have a Wii and not a single one has yet to say: "Man, I sure wish I didn't have to use the Wiimote to play this game.".

I love it, and I can't wait for more and better implementation of it. :D

The VC is excellent too, and reasonably priced, when thinking realistically in that no company is going to give something away for free. I loved going through Super Mario World, it really brought me back to that Christmas day many years ago spent with the family playing our Super Nintento that we just got.

Also being as though I never had an NES or N64, I'm really excited to finally play some of the games for those systems. And being able to just download a game for 5 or 10 bucks is so much nicer than having to find an old console and have it hooked up next to the Wii.

Exactly. It's only one or two people on here who say that. Out of the masses of people I've played the Wii with (gamers and non-gamers alike) nobody has said "gee I wish I was playing tennis with an analogue stick" or anything to that degree.

Heh, opposite to you I never had a SNES. The GBA ports worked quite nice, but since playing Mario World how it was meant to be played on a real SNES I'm sort of just saying no to handheld downgrades. Of course I was only a child when the NES was big and pocket money didn't get me many N64 games so I missed out on loads too.
With family and friends the Wii runs supreme, on my own the Virtual Console keeps me sane.

[GFLPraxis]

Nintendo is creating false demand, they are limiting the amount of systems sold it has nothing to do with so many people wanting one as the media would like you to believe.

Please. The Wii has broken so many records at this point that it's not even funny. I'd like to see how many they've be selling if they WEREN'T limiting supply then, since they've broken all sales records for the past decade.

[Agilus]

The Wii isn't going to die any time soon because both hardcore gamers and traditional non-gamers are attracted to it.

My brother, who hasn't played a video game since the original nintendo, heard about the Wii and read up on it and became infatuated. He doesn't even know what a PS3 is. He couldn't care less about the raw power of an xbox 360 in terms of graphics. He just wants something that is fun. I found one for him, and then mailed it to him. He said it's a great stress relief for law school :)

I'd have to agree with this. My brother owned an X-Box last gen. Now he owns a Wii, and both he and his wife play it. I'm happy, because now I can trade games with them, which saves them money, and I can introduce them to all of the great Gamecube games they missed.

[Dagless]

The Wii isn't going to die any time soon because both hardcore gamers and traditional non-gamers are attracted to it.

My brother, who hasn't played a video game since the original nintendo, heard about the Wii and read up on it and became infatuated. He doesn't even know what a PS3 is. He couldn't care less about the raw power of an xbox 360 in terms of graphics. He just wants something that is fun. I found one for him, and then mailed it to him. He said it's a great stress relief for law school :)

This is the story I keep hearing. Simple controls and the pick up and play attitude bring in non-gamers, Virtual Console brings in people who use to play years ago but stopped. Short of Zelda the only market the Wii is currently not catering much for is the hardcore market.
Visited a friend in town today. Never had a video game system before, but there it was - A Wii. Complete with Ecco the Dolphin on VC.

The Wii is the DS 2.0.


Everyone called the DS a gimmick. The DS came out with a decent launch, then everything afterwards sucked for the first 6-9 months.

Then a wave of good titles hit.

I remember this forum. People traded in their DS's for PSP's because the DS didn't have enough good games. Six months later they were trading their PSP's in and getting DS's again.

Developers have seen how well the Wii is selling and are rushing out to get Wii dev kits. Nintendo's first party lineup is going to slam this Christmas season, and 2008 will be the year of the third parties.

Or like me, imported a DS Fat ASAP, then bought a PSP only rushing to sell it to buy a DS Lite at launch :D Sounds like the iPod again.

iPod, DS... they're just gimmicks that will never catch on.

[GFLPraxis]

I.

[GFLPraxis]

If Nintendo have so much money (and I know they do) why didn't they invest in their own hardware?



Huh? That makes no sense.

Nintendo is selling the budget system. The system is lower priced, thus, the system has weaker hardware.

[rhoydotp]

The Wii isn't going to die any time soon because both hardcore gamers and traditional non-gamers are attracted to it.


i totally agree! my wife, mom, sister/brother-in-law, friends had never played any console are now interested in playing. this is due to the simple nature of some games. myself, some friends and co-workers who have had consoles from nintendo, sony & microsoft throughout the years, all have both a wii or at least considering buying a wii. we may not be "hardcore" but we do love to play and have fun. isn't that the whole point!

[Coded-Dude]

Ok, give us some proof. We have info that says the Wii is selling out, and Nintendo is still shipping tons of units.

All I hear is the lies of people who upset/shocked the Wii is selling so wellyes I am very shocked and upset so I am lying about what I have seen with my own eyes/ears....thats it.:rolleyes: Hoestly, I'm glad the Wii is doing well, but thats not the point. Last I heard it was one million a month. Isn't that number global? If thats the case then they are shipping about as many units as Sony....However, Sony is limited to those numbers due to tech difficulties with their NEW unproven hardware. Ninty should in theory be able to pump out way more. My concern is only that Nintendo could be doing more to meet demand. How do you, I, or anybody else for that matter, know what Ninty's intentions are. Maybe they can ship more, but are enjoying the "sold out" status. Numbers: 1,516,200 US sales and 1,523,121 JPN sales in 5 months......I don't have Eu/UK figures but lets just assume they are similar(i do know Nintendo announced 700k through the holidays). That pretty much adds up to the 1 million a month statement. But those numbers are OBVIOUSLY not meeting demand......if you want to argue against that fine(I wouldn't), but please go find a store in which there are consoles to purchase. The question I pose: Will Nintendo maintain this trend until demand dies down, or will they pump up production and try and quell the high demmand. Its not a negative reaction to anything, just posing a legitimate question regarding curent trends. You guys pretty are defensive about Ninty, bu tI am not bashing them here.

[zap2]

yes I am very shocked and upset so I am lying about what I have seen with my own eyes/ears....thats it.:rolleyes: Hoestly, I'm glad the Wii is doing well, but thats not the point. Last I heard it was one million a month. Isn't that number global? If thats the case then they are shipping about as many units as Sony....However, Sony is limited to those numbers due to tech difficulties with their NEW unproven hardware. Ninty should in theory be able to pump out way more. My concern is only that Nintendo could be doing more to meet demand. How do you, I, or anybody else for that matter, know what Ninty's intentions are. Maybe they can ship more, but are enjoying the "sold out" status. Numbers: 1,516,200 US sales and 1,523,121 JPN sales in 5 months......I don't have Eu/UK figures but lets just assume they are similar(i do know Nintendo announced 700k through the holidays). That pretty much adds up to the 1 million a month statement. But those numbers are OBVIOUSLY not meeting demand......if you want to argue against that fine(I wouldn't), but please go find a store in which there are consoles to purchase. The question I pose: Will Nintendo maintain this trend until demand dies down, or will they pump up production and try and quell the high demmand. Its not a negative reaction to anything, just posing a legitimate question regarding curent trends. You guys pretty are defensive about Ninty, bu tI am not bashing them here.

Um the Wii has sold 5million units so far....in about 3months....that hardly what the PS3 is doing.

Not to mention the Wii is coming off a low selling console so if Nintendo can catch Sony w/ unit sold that impressive in itself. Sony didn't sent themselves up well...I don't think anyone can see PS3 selling as well as the PS2, plus they are losing money. I'm not sure what Sony wante to do? Marketshare? They already had it, money? Their losing it!


The Wii is doing very well....outselling the PS3 no matter how you look at it. Heck the Wii has sold more units then the PS3 has shipped. Thats another note, Nintendo give units sold, Sony and MS give units shipped.

[e²Studios]

Um the Wii has sold 5million units so far....in about 3months....that hardly what the PS3 is doing.

November - March = 5 months last time i checked ;) His numbers are spot on, good luck spinning it :)

Ed

[Coded-Dude]

Wait to totally blow by my points and further derail the question with nonsensical data.
No ****.......the Wii is outselling PS3, quote me where I said otherwise.

I don't knwo how many flippin times I can say WHAT DOES NINTENDO NEED TO DO TO MEET DEMMAND befor eyou guys get it.
Seriously, what the hell does any of this have to do with Sony sales, I only mentioned them to make a point about the ability(or lack thereof) to produce hardware at steady rate. Sony had HARDWARE ISSUES that stinted ouput, Nintendo has not.

btw - US sales figure are through Jan(Feb hasn't reported yet), but JPN numbers are already late into FEB(they report weekly)

So keep spinning it, but BOTH companies have a GOAL to SHIP 6 million by end of MARCH, and BOTH are pretty damn close to hitting it.
WHY CAN'T NINTENDO MAKE MORE TO MEET DEMAND!!!!!!????

You can avoid the question again and make more blatantly obvious statements about how well its selling, but that says nothing about how well it actually COULD be selling. Personally, I think if Nintendo shipped more they'd be selling more....

[atszyman]

...WHAT DOES NINTENDO NEED TO DO TO MEET DEMMAND...

So Nintendo should immediately hire out manufacturing to everyone who is willing to do it?

They came off of a console that did not have such high demand so they probably don't have enough manufacturing capacity to keep up with demand. Opening up new factories or outsourcing the manufacturing takes time and money to set up places with the equipment they need to manufacture and test units, not to mention the training of their employees and setting up an inspection system to keep up with quality control. A complete guess but this would probably take at least a month to do time wise and at a cost of millions of dollars.

If they could predict the future the best time to have done this would have been November, or even before. But given the rapid decline in demand for the PS3 and the lackluster sales of the GameCube I don't blame them for being a bit wary of investing the time and money into boosting production since once demand tapers off (which could happen in the span of a month) the time and money they just sank into either their own factory or a third party factory would have been added expense for what might be un-needed production capacity by the time it can crank out units.

Nintendo may be pissing off some potential customers but they have to weigh that against the expense of increasing production. Given that the media hype has died down, I'm sure Nintendo would like nothing more than to get a Wii everyone who wants one since they make profits on the units. More Wiis out there would increase the desirability of game development for third parties which would help with getting the killer titles that will sell more Wiis. That and more Wiis out now would mean more game sales for their first party games. Especially since there is less competition now due to the current limited game selection. If all games held their value over time then you wouldn't see the $20 older PS2/Xbox/GC games all over, so it's in Ninty's best interest to get as many units as possible into the hands of consumers now to show 3rd party developers that it's worth developing for and to increase the sales of the current games while they are still $50 a pop.

Most companies try to only keep as much capacity as they will need to meet sustained demand. Try ordering ICs for some circuit boards and you'll find it's not uncommon to get lead times for parts on the order of months because none of the IC vendors want to increase production capacity/or product stockpiles for what could be only short term demand. I don't see Nintendo being any different here, yes the sellout demand could keep up through 2008 but it could also go away by the end of the month and have units sitting on the shelves. Since no-one can predict the future they are playing it conservatively.

Ninty's walking a fine line here and may kick themselves for not investing the time and money into increased production but without knowing the future they have to be accountable to their shareholders and don't want the responsibility of justifying the added expense of bringing up another factory that may not be necessary when it comes online. This isn't artificially inflating demand it's just business and a tough decision that they have to weigh all the pros/cons of with an uncertain future.

[aidanpendragon]

November - March = 5 months last time i checked ;) His numbers are spot on, good luck spinning it :)

Ed

Umm...Nov. 19-March 7 is about 3.5 months, last time I checked. ;) You can't just count them as whole months, but good luck spinning it. :)

i totally agree! my wife, mom, sister/brother-in-law, friends had never played any console are now interested in playing. this is due to the simple nature of some games. myself, some friends and co-workers who have had consoles from nintendo, sony & microsoft throughout the years, all have both a wii or at least considering buying a wii. we may not be "hardcore" but we do love to play and have fun. isn't that the whole point!

Agreed. Several of my wife's friends also have Wiis, and we're close to one big get-together/Wii party per week. You know how many GC (or Xbox, or PS1-2-3) parties I ever went to? Zero.

[2nyRiggz]

So Nintendo should immediately hire out manufacturing to everyone who is willing to do it?

They came off of a console that did not have such high demand so they probably don't have enough manufacturing capacity to keep up with demand. Opening up new factories or outsourcing the manufacturing takes time and money to set up places with the equipment they need to manufacture and test units, not to mention the training of their employees and setting up an inspection system to keep up with quality control. A complete guess but this would probably take at least a month to do time wise and at a cost of millions of dollars.


I'm sorry but no....Did you/we give the same for microsoft who is the newest to the console market and had problems with there stuff?
Nintendo has been bumping out GBA/GBM/DS all the whle and you're/we going to say they didn't have the manufacturing capacity.....:confused:
Did you/we give the same to sony when they screwed up the blu-ray parts?

I'm just asking here because if this is your arguement then this should apply to all.


Bless

[Agilus]

I'm sorry but no....Did you/we give the same for microsoft who is the newest to the console market and had problems with there stuff?
Nintendo has been bumping out GBA/GBM/DS all the whle and you're/we going to say they didn't have the manufacturing capacity.....:confused:
Did you/we give the same to sony when they screwed up the blu-ray parts?

I'm just asking here because if this is your arguement then this should apply to all.


Bless

I sure didn't, and I agree with his point. People have been coming down pretty hard on Jimmi lately. It's only fair that they come down on Ed for the same behavior.

[atszyman]

I'm sorry but no....Did you/we give the same for microsoft who is the newest to the console market and had problems with there stuff?
Nintendo has been bumping out GBA/GBM/DS all the whle and you're/we going to say they didn't have the manufacturing capacity.....:confused:
Did you/we give the same to sony when they screwed up the blu-ray parts?

I'm just asking here because if this is your arguement then this should apply to all.


Bless

I don't recall ever blasting any of them for any of those issues. But that's just me.

There's also a difference between rushing a buggy product to market just to beat the competition and ramping up production to suit short term demand. If PS3s were still not on the shelves I wouldn't be claiming that Sony was intentionally limiting the supply, nor would I do that to MS. But if the Wii were having a ton of drive related problems, or the power supplies were overheating constantly I would blast Nintendo for rushing a shoddy product to market, but other than the wrist straps I haven't heard of any widespread technical issues with the Wii.

Production could easily be ramped by outsourcing to everyone with a soldering iron who says they can build one, but you will start having all kinds of buggy hardware out there. I also wouldn't put it past some of the companies to intentionally limit launch quantities to scare up free media publicity, but once the media is no longer paying attention I would expect them to push production up to their full capability. Whether or not this will meet demand cannot be known. I was just addressing the point that some here claim that Nintendo is intentionally limiting production for which there has been no source or proof that they are doing this. Yes there are plenty of places capable of assembling Wiis but this cannot happen overnight and given the uncertainty of how long this demand will last it's a business decision that Nintendo has to deal with and it has very little to do with increasing the hype at this point. They have no reason that they would not want Wiis in the hands of everyone who wants one, but there are good reasons not to spend the time and money to ramp up production to meet demand that could be gone next week.

Every different product requires different machining/testing so the fact that their plants can pump out GameBoys and DSs doesn't mean they have the equipment available or online for Wiis.

[2nyRiggz]

I sure didn't, and I agree with his point. People have been coming down pretty hard on Jimmi lately. It's only fair that they come down on Ed for the same behavior.

Umm I'm I missing something here...I'm not blasting on anyone. People are blasting Jimmi because of his one sided post(I'm not defending anyone here) and Ed's post are not always pro sony.

atszyman...look at my post..I'm not just talking about you ripping a console I'm talking in general here...that was a question for the masses I just used your post as the starter.

I seriously don't think Nintendo has to outsource to anyone....the company is big and I'm sure those same places that do the DS/GBA/GBM would be able take on the Wii.

Lets make this clear here...I'm not saying nintendo is making hype or anything like that but to come up with an excuse about they don't have the facilities is bonkers..

This is all my opinion though....


Bless

[atszyman]

Umm I'm I missing something here...I'm not blasting on anyone. People are blasting Jimmi because of his one sided post(I'm not defending anyone here)

atszyman...look at my post..I'm not just talking about you ripping a console I'm talking in general here...that was a question for the masses I just used your post as the starter.

I seriously don't think Nintendo has to outsource to anyone....the company is big and I'm sure those same places that do the DS/GBA/GBM would be able take on the Wii.

Lets make this clear here...I'm not saying nintendo is making hype or anything like that but to come up with an excuse about they don't have the facilities is bonkers..

This is all my opinion though....


Bless

I know they have the facilities but to re-tool/re-program the machinery to handle Wiis from DSs costs money and takes time as would the re-training of someone who has been working the DS equipment exclusively to handle the updated equipment. I've also been hearing a lot of people having trouble finding DSs so all that would do is move the shortages to DSs rather than Wiis.

I'm just pointing out that the production cannot be upped overnight, even with an in-house facility it would take weeks to re-tool/re-program/re-train and a decent amount of money to get Wiis out the door. Without absolutely knowing future demand Nintendo has to weigh the costs/benefits to decide whether or not to re-tool their plants. I was using this point to counter the posts I've seen where people claim that Nintendo is intentionally limiting supply and should just ramp up production already.

Ramping up production is not easy when you've already got your current setups running at full capacity. When you start to factor in the time and money required to bring more production capacity online then you also need to consider the duration of the increased demand and decide whether or not it's worth it.

It would have been worth it last summer probably even up to last month but no one knew that then and no one knows what sales will be like in the future.

[ChrisK018]

Unless someone is a Nintendo plant manager isn't all of this just speculation? I doubt even a plant manager would come clean about production capacity.

Oh wait! Satoru Itawa has read some of these posts and will now follow through with all of these insightful and informed suggestions.