In favour of the Console War? [Archive]

ericsthename

Mar 4, 2007, 09:29 PM

Hey all,

After having posted and followed this site and forum for a long time now, I had the urge to post a thread for all those who love the "console wars"

Everybody hates these mysterious monopoly loving, gibberish speaking, flame-bait targets called "fanboys" (who knows what their female counterparts are...). Suprisingly, I've never encountered one who would stand up and say: I am a fanboy ( or non-gender specific fanhominid).

Basically, when it comes right down to it, I love the console wars! I think that microsoft pushing Sony, and Nintendo blazing paths unseen is great! As someone who greatly enjoys technology, I find consoles to be interesting because they are essentially "cheap" supercomputers.

I think that for anyone who appreciates gaming to denounce one console or brand entirely, is foolish. I owned every console last gen, and eventually will this gen (not next-gen anymore is it?) too.

I don't, however, think that this should come between anyone and their decisions to question and denounce decisions by these companies. Often, I see people who post negatively about aspects of any one console on here, told off by other members for doing so, and sometimes with, othertimes without reason.

SO, this is the post for all people who like ALL the consoles, but arn't afraid to bash a particular aspect of any of them, to speak up!

360 - should've launched with a quieter DVD drive, and better control over parts suppliers. (Having multiple parts suppliers is blamed for the rash of 3 rings of death with the early consoles). Gotta love the number of games - quality titles most of them too!

PS3 - obviously the biggest target of the three, and sony didnt do it any favours by introducing a weekly cherade of promises and then breaking half of them. Whats up with the sixaxis, no rumble and a continuation of my least favorite controller in the modern age.

Wii - Radicality = 10. Bar none this console has the hype machine on a leash. Really wish they wouldve made it just a bit more powerful and 720p. Also wish they wouldve included at least a 5 gig, iPod size HD.

Fire away!

Dagless

Mar 4, 2007, 09:49 PM

Point against it -

3 systems = games spread over each one. I can't just buy one system and play any game. Unlike PC (which is something people forget), one decent powered PC will play any Windows game so theres no worry there. To play every game coming out I'll need to purchase an extra 270+430 quids worth of system, that's the same price as my iMac!

I think that for anyone who appreciates gaming to denounce one console or brand entirely, is foolish.

I don't agree with that though. I've been with computers since I was 5 years old; Amstrad, Spectrum, Amiga... I've seen what they all can do. What I don't agree with and what I do denounce for it's branding is Sony with their PS3, how they BS their way along for a couple of years. I agree with the vast amount of backlash their getting for it too, maybe it will teach them to behave.

That said I'll be getting a power console in the next few years. Right now it'll probably be a PS3. though at this stage neither the 360's established library or the PS3's upcoming one has me interested. Halo 3 and PS1 and 2 b/c is what pulls me to each system.

darkwing

Mar 4, 2007, 09:58 PM

Point against it -

3 systems = games spread over each one. I can't just buy one system and play any game. Unlike PC (which is something people forget), one decent powered PC will play any Windows game so theres no worry there. To play every game coming out I'll need to purchase an extra 270+430 quids worth of system, that's the same price as my iMac!

You are forgetting one very crucial point in the PC vs console debate. A console is a console, and any game made for it will run on it. A PC has thousands of possible combinations of various software/hardware and often times you can't really enjoy a game for 6 months until all the patches work their way out. I like consoles because I don't have to fuss or ask for tech support on a forum where 99% of the threads are people posting their specs and frame rate.

It's plug n' play vs plug n' pray.

SamIchi

Mar 4, 2007, 10:10 PM

You are forgetting one very crucial point in the PC vs console debate. A console is a console, and any game made for it will run on it. A PC has thousands of possible combinations of various software/hardware and often times you can't really enjoy a game for 6 months until all the patches work their way out. I like consoles because I don't have to fuss or ask for tech support on a forum where 99% of the threads are people posting their specs and frame rate.

It's plug n' play vs plug n' pray.

True indeed, and the last time I checked, Nintendo doesn't make games for the PC :D There's also the mutliplayer experience, there's nuthin' like it. Competition side by side with siblings and friends, can't do that on a computer.

As for the console war, I think it's a good think, it will be interesting what happens this generation. All companies have a stand in the industry.

steamboat26

Mar 4, 2007, 10:16 PM

ericsthename

Mar 4, 2007, 10:52 PM

Point against it -

3 systems = games spread over each one. I can't just buy one system and play any game. Unlike PC (which is something people forget), one decent powered PC will play any Windows game so theres no worry there. To play every game coming out I'll need to purchase an extra 270+430 quids worth of system, that's the same price as my iMac!

I know that consoles are more expensive in Europe, but here in North America getting all 3 consoles would cost you about the same amount as an average computer - not a gaming rig, but a decent spec'd PC. Now if you were to do it yourself, and spend tons of time hunting out deals, you could build yourself a PC capable of handling most everything out at the time of purchase. Then, you still have to think of the Monitor costs, which may or may not be an issue. In total, I still think that 3 consoles with good 1st party support is more economical than PC gaming.

bigg black

Mar 4, 2007, 11:09 PM

Xeem

Mar 4, 2007, 11:18 PM

I know that consoles are more expensive in Europe, but here in North America getting all 3 consoles would cost you about the same amount as an average computer - not a gaming rig, but a decent spec'd PC.

I very much disagree. Assuming you got the "real" versions of the PS3 and 360, all 3 consoles together would cost $1250. I could put together a gaming rig for far less than $1250, and it would be capable of running every modern game quite well. Even my aging PC, which I've probably spent about $800 on (and would be cheaper now), plays Oblivion on my 20" ACD at 1680x1050 on Ultra High settings (read: prettier than XB360 version) with no problems at all. Granted, I didn't figure the cost of the monitor and peripherals into that $800, but I had them laying around before I threw my computer together anyway.

Many games I want are PC-exclusive, which really emphasizes raggedjimmi's point about the games being spread out over 3 systems. Rather than just 3 consoles, the PC games make it more of a 4-way race for many people, and there aren't any clear standouts in my opinion. This isn't like back in the days of Genesis vs. SNES; back then, both systems had enough exclusives that you really felt like you got the full gaming experience out of either one, but these days the premium gaming franchises are so split up that few can feel fully satisfied on any one console alone.

sikkinixx

Mar 4, 2007, 11:31 PM

ddrueckhammer

Mar 4, 2007, 11:55 PM

I agree with you on this-it's so hard to choose a console. I already bought a wii and i think i will buy a 360 to get my next gen graphics fix.

In terms of my comments on each console-

360- Gotta live xbox live. but i feel as though they should make some games on HD-DVDs and get a larger HD. I think that they need to integrate the wireless like both of the other consoles already do. (it really adds up when you have the 360+wireless adapter+extra controllers+games+camera, etc.)

PS3- interested in the potential power, but a price drop is necessary. Sony has to start showing us it is better than the 360. Needs more exclusives, most of the games that are coming out on the PS3 will also be available for the 360.

Wii- i love almost everything about it, but developers are getting lazy with the graphics, and sometimes the use of the wii remote (SSX blur occasionally has sloppy controls). Nintendo should have spent some extra money to get a slightly more powerful CPU and GPU so they could compete with the 360 more directly in terms of graphics. And they need to get online play that won't involve wii codes!

I agree with pretty much everything you just said:

Xbox- I love the Media Center and Online Multiplayer aspects of the 360 but Microsoft should find a way to integrate the Wifi and give wireless controllers out of the box. If the PS3 and Wii both have these features without added cost, so should the 360. I am fine with $50 per year for Xbox Live because they do have superior service but I think that M$ do nickel and dime their customer's too much...

PS3- The PS3 has a potentially superb library of games coming but the shady backward compatiblilty and inclusion of Blueray (sorry I'm not supporting any format until one wins especially with the wildcard of downloadable HD movies on the horizon) are really deal breakers for me. This doesn't even include the high entry price or the fact that right now many of the games can be had on the 360...

Wii- I agree the devs are being very lazy with the Wii. I think they were caught a little off gaurd by the Wii's success. I think Nintendo will be alright as long as they are the first one out the gates with their next gen console and it has HD/5.1 output and is fully backward compatible but I do wish they had put at least a couple of gigs of internal flash memory so that I could fit more VC downloads. I think the Wii doesn't have to be as full featured online as the 360 is but I would like to see at least minimal chatrooms etc for friends to meet up without friendcodes...

Also, I would like to see Nintendo team with Apple and add iTunes/iPod functionality to their console in exchange for Nintendo support on Apple platforms...I guess that is too much to hope for though...

the wii should not even be in the same comparison as the 360 and the ps3. the wii is aiming for a more younger audience and dosen't even match the other two....

With that being said i think that the ps3 will be winning this war and be on top again for a third generation of the playstation:)

I disagree, the Wii is aiming for every demographic. Everyone my age and older 25+ that I know wants a Wii. How is this a "younger" audience. You may be right about the PS3 winning but the Wii is already proving that it will sell extremely well this gen and they are taking away some of the PS3/360 market share. They don't have to win, remember they aren't losing money on every console like the other two...

ericsthename

Mar 5, 2007, 12:08 AM

the flame war is gonna erupt in this one....

A little off the OP's mark but a big problem with this (and all forums) is that most people probably don't have all 3 main consoles, so you get a bunch of ignorant people who have never even USED the console they rip on (or they have the "I used it for a few hours at my cousins house and it suxxor"). So they just go by why 1up.com says or what their friend says or whatever...

Yeah, part of the reason I wanted to put this post up, was so that people who like all the consoles could say, hey, I like the 360 but... or the Wii is fun, however...

I know thats how I feel about every single one, and I'm sure there are others. Unfortunately there's this attitude going around that you must show total allegiance to your gaming rig. Haha

ericsthename

Mar 5, 2007, 12:15 AM

I very much disagree. Assuming you got the "real" versions of the PS3 and 360, all 3 consoles together would cost $1250. I could put together a gaming rig for far less than $1250, and it would be capable of running every modern game quite well. Even my aging PC, which I've probably spent about $800 on (and would be cheaper now), plays Oblivion on my 20" ACD at 1680x1050 on Ultra High settings (read: prettier than XB360 version) with no problems at all. Granted, I didn't figure the cost of the monitor and peripherals into that $800, but I had them laying around before I threw my computer together anyway.

I acknowledged that the PC was a fourth option, but you've introduced a bunch of limiting factors:

In order to accomplish "big screened" decent performance gaming, you've admitted that you would have to spend "about 800". How many people out there have the capacity to build their own gaming rig? I've built computers, and its not that tough, but not too many people will do that.

Secondly, you have to have a decent monitor either laying around, or you have to count it as a purchase. And then with changing requirements, you have to factor in at least a couple upgrades over a 4-5 year lifespan, so I'd say that in the end its not different at all really.

I don't want to complicate the discussion too much and end up with a PC parts price comparison, but I won't discount the PC as a 4th option either - I just can't imagine that there are millions of gamers out there willing and able to PC build on the same scale as consoles.

SamIchi

Mar 5, 2007, 12:34 AM

the wii should not even be in the same comparison as the 360 and the ps3. the wii is aiming for a more younger audience and dosen't even match the other two...

Is this why a bunch of people on MR got a Wii? The Wii was aimed at a broad audience that includes everyone.

BlizzardBomb

Mar 5, 2007, 12:45 AM

I'm guessing the Xbox 360 will win the console war. Its huge library which is about to get even bigger, its Live service, awesome graphics and fair price have served it well. I'm guessing it'll be close between Wii and PS3 (probably the Wii coming out on top by a bit) and I expect PS3 to pick up more momentum later in the year or 2008 if Blu-ray were to succeed.

ddrueckhammer

Mar 5, 2007, 12:50 AM

I'm pretty sure the Xbox 360 will win the console war. Its huge library which is about to get even bigger, its Live service, awesome graphics and fair price have served it well. I'm guessing it'll be close between Wii and PS3 (probably the Wii coming out on top by a bit) and I expect PS3 to pick up more momentum later in the year or 2008 if Blu-ray were to succeed.

I would tend to agree except the 360s first year sales were actually pretty weak. The Wii has already sold almost half of what the 360 sold its first year...I think alot of this goes to the fact that the Japanese aren't and will never (most likely) support the 360. Right now, the Wii is outselling the PS3 in Japan, but this could change...

It seems to me that Nintendo is actually in the best shape though, as they don't really have to sell the most to win this round...Profits are most important, not sales...

GFLPraxis

Mar 5, 2007, 01:33 AM

I completely agree; I absolutely love the console wars.

However, personally I've always preferred there to be two players (thus I only need to buy two consoles).

If this gen was reduced to Microsoft or Sony AND Nintendo, I'd be very, very happy. 50% of the market each. :)

Xeem

Mar 5, 2007, 01:41 AM

I don't want to complicate the discussion too much and end up with a PC parts price comparison, but I won't discount the PC as a 4th option either - I just can't imagine that there are millions of gamers out there willing and able to PC build on the same scale as consoles.

I didn't mean to suggest that PCs are the 4th option because millions are actively seeking to get to get PCs for gaming; rather I just want to point out that millions already regularly use PCs for gaming. World of Warcraft alone has 8 million subscribers; although WoW doesn't require a high-end machine to run well, most computers that can play WoW well are very capable of playing many other modern games. Many friends of mine (most of whom are addicted to WoW) have decent gaming computers, and because of this they are unwilling or unable to spend money on console gaming.

2nyRiggz

Mar 5, 2007, 05:17 AM

I'm not really interested in the console war...I have all three machines and I'm happy with them. If one of these consoles don't make it then I'm screwed...I don't have to pick a console....I get to pick three.

There is variety and I'll like to keep it that way and although sony and microsoft console are almost alike...they still offer unique things to warrant them a spot on the shelves.

Bless

zap2

Mar 5, 2007, 05:38 AM

I love it....Sony pushes MS to make a better system, and because of the massiv e amount of money they both have Nintendo has to came up with that many new idea(which they do)

I doub't we'd see the Wii or DS is MS hadn't joined the games,it would have been Nintendo and Sony and that more then enough market share for both.

MacRumorUser

Mar 5, 2007, 05:54 AM

Microsoft / Sony & Nintendo are not involved in console wars (that mythical 'war & fighting' is done by fanboys in forums who are so insecure about their own purchase that they must generate bottles of FUD to be thrown at anyone who has purchased one of their designated 'axis of evil' competitors hardware)

You only have to look at this forum to see that in motion. Where when console gets ripped on by A, and then A will hypocritically defend their own backed hardware to the death when someone points out that it too has major faults. :rolleyes:

What Sony , Nintendo & Microsoft are engaged in is general Market Competition and that is always good for bringing down prices, improving product and creating loopholes where innovation can hit the market.

tA little off the OP's mark but a big problem with this (and all forums) is that most people probably don't have all 3 main consoles, so you get a bunch of ignorant people who have never even USED the console they rip on (or they have the "I used it for a few hours at my cousins house and it suxxor"). So they just go by why 1up.com says or what their friend says or whatever...

Exactly Sikkinixx. I'm sick of hearing.... "I played it in store and it SUXZ" or "my "bro has one and it died 76 million times", "blah blah blah would never do this"....

Or when people rip on a game they have barely played with absurdity that clearly has no basis in reality, and yet in the same breath will praise some other universally condoned piece of ***** because it simply is on their console of choice.

Its the Chewbacca defense ALL THE TIME and it gets mightly tiresome.

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 06:26 AM

In a no holds barred, squashed up thing-

360- It's huge and loud. It crashes too often for me to feel confident about going out and buying one, especially seeing that 2/3 local machines have broke. The library? Nothing interesting me. I don't care for GoW, Mass Effect, Too Human and all them kind of games. Viva Pinata could be cool but it's the kind of game I could never play on a full screen system (I can't do that with turn based RPGs either). Accessories? When your controller costs the same as a Wii Remote then something is wrong. Bundle HD cables? Good call. Online system? Excellent, but it's free on the PC. I don't know if I'll be able to play an FPS on it though, I just can't use dual analogues now and get it feeling fluid and natural.
Feels very much like a console. No web browser, no mouse/pointer. Very traditional.

PS3- Oh dear. This things going for the 2 year hurdle sprint. How can something so good be made to look so bad by the company producing it? It's tantamount to child abuse. A little too expensive now. If this was the same price as a Premium 360 then I'd buy one over a 360.

Wii- Best gaming system I've played, but... Oh I'm not going into this again I think I've made my points clear before. More internal storage space, cheaper controllers, better online system (maybe will improve when online games come out?), quicker boot times, region free etc...
People talk about the PS3's potential, personally I think the Wii has more. So the PS3 can potentially render more? What about the incredibly exciting prospect of brand new gaming genres opened up with the controller, or previous genres made better, a la FPS or RTS. Couple that with the explosion of sales it's had and will likely continue to have with the casual gaming/non gaming market... Could see another gaming revolution like the effect World of Warcraft had on the PC gamers. A Wii Sports 2 or another MMO perhaps? When the markets large all a game needs to be is good.

whooleytoo

Mar 5, 2007, 09:01 AM

ninewhereman

Mar 5, 2007, 09:53 AM

Thing I love about the Wii, is that I can play with somebody who never plays video games. My parents love the thing. My sister was playing tennis and bowling with her husband (a gamer) for three hours straight yesterday. I couldn't even get close to the system. My friend Morgan, who has never owned a video game console, said if she had the cash right now she wouldn't think twice about buying a Wii.

I like how powerful a PS3 and Xbox 360 are, but I don't have an HD television to really enjoy them to their fullest potential. I still think it is amazing how great some of the games already look. Can't wait to see them in a few years. I am just waiting for a price drop, and some games to go to that sweet 20 dollar range. Not alot exciting me about the 360 and PS3. Seems like more of the same to me just shinier. That is why I haven't been into gaming for the past few years until recently.

sikkinixx

Mar 5, 2007, 10:22 AM

uple that with the explosion of sales it's had and will likely continue to have with the casual gaming/non gaming market...

(begin rant)

Personally, it irrates the hell out of me that Nintendo, Sony or MS even TRY to play with that market (casual) because that means less stuff for ME, the dedicated gamer. I'M the one who spends thousands of dollars on games and systems. I'M the one who pays the crazy launch day prices, and waits in line and I'M the one who dumps my wallet on their junk. I don't wanna hear "wow! my grandma/3 year old cousin/mom/girlfriend can play it!!!!!!!" screw them, go play pong.

(/end of my rant)

applekid

Mar 5, 2007, 10:37 AM

Wii - Awesome but still as a long ways to go. It needs a robust online community like X-Box Live. NO WII CODES AND FRIEND CODES, DAMMIT! The big, important games like Metroid, Super Smash Bros., and Mario must not disappoint. These are the hardcore games that Nintendo is about. 3rd parties need to understand gestures with the Wii remote should be more natural and not useless swings that have nothing to do with your character's actions. I think the Wii could easily be an entertainment center like the 360 and PS3 if Nintendo put in the proper channels and sold a special USB dock specifically for that task. Just an extra add-on, but not necessary.

360 - Will buy soon. X-Box Live for co-op and multiplayer games is still unmatched. The controller is comfortable for normal, non-Wii games. It beats PC gaming, completely. It may mostly be a console for shooters and sports games, I think the PS3 lack of early success is opening it up to more genres. Keep it coming. I hope there will be an updated X-Box soon, hopefully re-designed, that just is awesome and cheap. I'm more or less waiting for an updated X-Box before I hop on.

PS3 - I'll buy MGS4. I'll wait near the end of the consoles life when it goes for around $100-$200, and then I'll pick it up just for MGS4 :D Seriously, if X-Box 360 gets MGS4 (as the rumors go), I don't think there is any reason for me to get a PS3. I may get the PSP down the line, but the PS3 is looking to not be on my buy list for a few years.

Xeem

Mar 5, 2007, 10:46 AM

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 11:49 AM

Seriously, if X-Box 360 gets MGS4 (as the rumors go), I don't think there is any reason for me to get a PS3.
roflcopter.....I hop you like changing discs a lot.
btw - it will not come to 360 - trust me.

Competition is good, but in such a market, that doesn't mean it's good to have a clear cut winner or loser. All three consoles have their pros/cons and its up to us, the consumer, to decide which features/bugs we are willing to spend our "money" on. I have, for personal reasons, never invested in the Microsoft brand, but I have not missed out on anything either. I have enough friends that did in vest so that I could enjoy the experience as well.

I think 3 companies is a fair balance and any more/less could casuse more harm than good.
But thats up for argument.

MacRumorUser

Mar 5, 2007, 11:52 AM

But both Microsoft and Sony (not sure about Nintendo, but also pretty likely) literally pay people to pose as fanboys online, troll internet gaming forums, and create seemingly independent fanboy websites that bash the competition; there's an article about it in the March issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly.

Are you serious ? Well there must be quiet a few people on this forum who are earning a nice weekly wage then :D

SpankyPenzaanz

Mar 5, 2007, 11:59 AM

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 12:03 PM

The tides are changing on the PSP front. I was in Gamestation today and almost bought one now they're at £100 (no memory card, 2nd hand). But then I was reminded by my friend about the screen so I put off buying it.

Soon as they hit £50 I wouldn't mind looking at that screen.

Agilus

Mar 5, 2007, 12:08 PM

I'm another that's in favor of the console war. I just don't want any of the three competitors to disappear or get eaten by another.

ericsthename

Mar 5, 2007, 12:49 PM

I too favor the war...keeps companies on thier toes.

I do believe it should trickle down to development houses as well or at least more than it does. For example I depise EA and loathe Square (bring it fanhominids).

Yeah, it's really crappy when developers overgrow their succes. EA used to put out really fun, polished games. I have refrained from purchasing any of their titles that I used to play a lot, NFS and NHL mostly - simply because of their monopolizing tendencies. Too bad, because they have large offices here in Vancouver, and I'd love to support them. I think the last EA game I bought that was worth the coin was SSX Tricky on the Cube.

I just wish they would stop pumping out yearly versions of games that lost their fun factor long long ago.

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 12:53 PM

With online distribution, hopefully they will slow down.
They can build use the same engine for a few years and update rosters, skins, etc. online.
Then when its times to make serious improvements, move on to the latest/greatest graphics engine.

ChrisK018

Mar 5, 2007, 12:55 PM

I like that there are 3 consoles, and have no desire for PC gaming.

Currently have a Wii. Waiting for more games I like. I had a Gamecube (but did not play it much besides Pikmin 1 & 2)

If the PS3 comes out with some games I like and the price goes down I might pick one up. I was happy with the PSone and PS2, and like many of the Sony-exclusive titles (Katamari, Ico, etc.).

I still can't bring myself to get excited about the 360, and most of the games for it. 60 or 70% or that is personal bias against Microsoft, but if there was some super cool exclusive game for it I would pick it up.

As it's a mantra of sorts on here: it's about the games. I like Square just fine and loathe EA. Make a game I really want and I will buy the system.

zero2dash

Mar 5, 2007, 01:00 PM

Q: In favour of the Console War?
Competition is good, fanboy flaming contests 'r not. :D

Quickies -

360 - Best gaming value for the dollar. Bright future. Plenty of support.

Wii - Cheap and fun. Perfect accompanying console to one of the other two.

Ps3 - Lots of possibilities, no idea where they'll go with it. High price keeping it behind.

I predict the Wii wins. Strength in numbers. (Both hardcore and casual/"never-been" gamers want them.)

360 takes 2nd by a landslide

Before it's too late and they're farther behind - Sony needs to get their $#!t in gear with either a) a price drop or b) massive reasons to own a Ps3. Frankly, I don't see either happening. :confused: Sony has been bull headed with the PSP this whole time, I don't see them changing their tune with the Ps3 either.

Ps2 was a massive success because it was a strong console to own versus the competition, because the competing consoles were pretty one-sided (but I did enjoy both the Cube and the Xbox). This time around...the 360 offers everything the Ps3 does at a cheaper price, and the Wii is too cheap and fun to play for most people to not buy one. Ps3 has a massive uphill climb. Sony seems to be resting on their laurels and the Playstation name a little too much, expecting the console to sell itself. The problem is, I don't think people (minus the hardcore) are buying it.

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 01:05 PM

the 360 offers everything the Ps3 does at a cheaper price
thats one of the most highly debated topics of this console war.........it does and yet it doesn't, all at the same time.:p

ddrueckhammer

Mar 5, 2007, 01:06 PM

Zero-

I think you are right but Japan is the wildcard. MS isn't getting support from the Japanese unless they add many more RPGs. I guess the Japanese just don't like chainsawing people in Gears...Also, MS just needs to stop nickel and diming people...Most everyone wants a wifi card and wireless controls but $100 for Wifi and $50 a piece for the controllers is robbery...

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 01:09 PM

I also think Europe is gonna surprise people.......360 can't come in second by winning NA territory alone.
EU/UK will be the deciding factor, and PS3 is set to launch there very soon.

zero2dash

Mar 5, 2007, 01:10 PM

thats one of the most highly debated topics of this console war.........it does and yet it doesn't, all at the same time.:p

Note I said best gaming value for the dollar.

If Microsoft can convince people that DVD is still a viable format for game media, then the BluRay addition to the Ps3 is moot for anyone other than part time gamers who also watch movies. /shrug

I'd never buy a Ps2 with the intent of watching movies and playing games, I'd buy a Ps2 to play games. Same thing with the Ps3. I know it's an added on feature, and some people value it, and it'd be nice to have. But if you look at the gaming aspects of each console and throw out anything that doesn't pertain especially with games...I think the 360 offers everything I could ever want. :confused:

Zero-

I think you are right but Japan is the wildcard. MS isn't getting support from the Japanese unless they add many more RPGs. I guess the Japanese just don't like chainsawing people in Gears...Also, MS just needs to stop Nickel and Diming people...Most everyone wants a wifi card and wireless controls but $100 for Wifi and $50 a piece for the controllers is robbery...

Blue Dragon (thus far) has sold very well for Microsoft. If Sakaguchi can keep churning out titles with his studio (Mistwaker? Mistwalker?), he may singlehandedly get 360s into more homes. But then again, it would also help if Microsoft could grab an exclusive or two (like a Final Fantasy that isn't FFXI).

I agree that they could throw in wireless G for probably $10; the controller price...eh, it's somewhat disgusting paying (nearly) the price of a game for the price of a controller, but then again...Wiimote+nunchuck is worse, so...what can you do. ? :confused: :D

ddrueckhammer

Mar 5, 2007, 01:48 PM

Note I said best gaming value for the dollar.

Blue Dragon (thus far) has sold very well for Microsoft. If Sakaguchi can keep churning out titles with his studio (Mistwaker? Mistwalker?), he may singlehandedly get 360s into more homes. But then again, it would also help if Microsoft could grab an exclusive or two (like a Final Fantasy that isn't FFXI).

I agree that they could throw in wireless G for probably $10; the controller price...eh, it's somewhat disgusting paying (nearly) the price of a game for the price of a controller, but then again...Wiimote+nunchuck is worse, so...what can you do. ? :confused: :D

I knew you would bring up Blue Dragon...it has helped a little in Japan (at least sales numbers went up right after they released it) but you are right, they need to get a Square or other RPG exclusive to compete. Sqaure game are good quality but they whore their franchises out too much IMO...

If I were MS i would contact Sega and Treasure about Shining Force IV (with classic Fire Emblem like gameplay) as an Xbox exclusive. Sorry, I love this series (at least 1-3...Neo, Exa etc are Crap) and plug it as much as possible...Also, MS should contact Namco and try to get a "Tales of" exclusive title as well...I'm not sure MS is doing enough just by developing their own titles and praying that Square will get mad at Sony and add more support...

As far as the controllers go, they should drop wired controllers all together and offer one model with Wifi and a wireless controller for $399...If Nintendo can do it for $250 they should be able to do it for that price...processor be d*mned...

zero2dash

Mar 5, 2007, 02:28 PM

Yeah, Blue Dragon looks great. I'm also (actually more) interested in Eternal Sonata (see below for a screenshot).

If Microsoft could get a Dragon Quest game, they'd really be in a good position. (From what I hear, DQ is now the RPG to have in Japan, not FF.)

All I know is my wife said Enchant Arm sucked. :p

As far as the controllers go, they should drop wired controllers all together and offer one model with Wifi and a wireless controller for $399...If Nintendo can do it for $250 they should be able to do it for that price...processor be d*mned...

I don't see why they couldn't do this. Again, how much would it really cost them to put in WiFi? $10 at most? Nowhere near that considering they'd be ordering bulk chipsets.

It's certainly in the realm of possibilties to see WiFi included in a hardware revision when they go to 65nm since that will save some costs there (going to smaller die size).

ddrueckhammer

Mar 5, 2007, 02:54 PM

For right now, Nintendo is sitting pretty in the Japan market. The DS has the main Dragon Quest and Wii has the Spin off. As successful as DS has been in Japan, I can't see the Wii not being a success. This is bad for Sony. Eternal Sonata looks pretty cool...Actually, a new Tales game would be cool for me...I like being able to avoid random encounters and the action feel of the battles. Another great option would be a new Golden Sun game. That is a great RPG.

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 03:40 PM

I also think Europe is gonna surprise people.......360 can't come in second by winning NA territory alone.
EU/UK will be the deciding factor, and PS3 is set to launch there very soon.

Whereas the 360 has been out over a year and the Wii about 4 months now. Theres a huge running feeling here that the PS3 isn't doing much more than what the 360 can do. My cousins PS3's on eBay get constant messages asking what the PS3 benefits are, magazines aren't confident either. Just today Computer Active have an article on it basically saying there is no software for the system and saying the 360 is just as powerful.

Couple that with a £450 (with game) price tag and still confusion over B/C among consumers (I even noticed today that Computer Active and Gamestation are still saying 100% PS2 B/C). I spotted so many killer 360 deals out and about today, not a penny more than the Premium 360 and you get 2 AAA games, extra controller, Live Unplugged etc. That is going to be tough to beat.

They have so much to prove and less than a month to do it. Uninformative crappy adverts are not going to help.

MacRumorUser

Mar 5, 2007, 03:41 PM

All three will co-exist quite happily this generation because they are all peforming well in different territories.

Japan - well Nintendo at the moment look set to come out on top
USA - a close race but I'd bet Sony just pull it out.
Europe - Same as USA but Microsoft will probably come out on top, having two xmas seasons, I know a lot of people who decided to get a 360 at xmas simply because they were sick of waiting, and with so many unbelievable deals available for the 360 it makes the ps3 seem artificially more costly.

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 03:58 PM

Whereas the 360 has been out over a year and the Wii about 4 months now. Theres a huge running feeling here that the PS3 isn't doing much more than what the 360 can do.

and in a year.....we will know for sure whether or not all the FUD, uninformed journalism, and under/over-rated hype will have "paid off."
Titles sell a system, and PS3 will CERTAINLYhave them.....tis not like 360 had the titles at launch either.

If Microsoft can convince people that DVD is still a viable format for game media
I think its more like: If MS can convince people that BD/HD DVD is still not necessary....
We already know DVD is viable, and can make great games with the given space.
However, that doesn't necessarily jusitfy NOT using a larger next-gen format to offer even MORE than what DVD can merely "validate."

steamboat26

Mar 5, 2007, 04:04 PM

I'm all for the console war, but i think that the "war" should motivate the companies to be innovative, but also increase build quality. I heard that something like 1 in 10 360s will break, i feel like if they made that number more like 1 in 25, people would be less reluctant to buy.

For the PS3, its not only the price and lack of games that steer me away from it, most of the people i know (including me) own PS2s that broke after a year or two. I don't wanna risk loosing a $600 "investment" because sony doesn't build their consoles to last.

For nintendo, i have never really had any problems with them, although my friends GC broke, but they seem to build quality machines, and have good customer service to match it.

Coded-Dude

Mar 5, 2007, 04:13 PM

I don't wanna risk loosing a $600 "investment" because sony doesn't build their consoles to last.
Good point.........
However, most people spend that much purchasing a 360 a few games and accessories.
Then get to play mail-tag with MS shipping busted 360's back and forth to each other.

How many PS3 "horror" stories have you heard of coming from NA/JPN.
I think they've got some really robust hardware this time around - MHO.

PS2 was definitley the plagued hardware last gen, but I'd be willing to bet(almost anything) that Sony will not be wearing that title this gen.
In fact, I think this gen's "winner," has already been crowned.

ASneeze

Mar 5, 2007, 06:06 PM

1st of all i do think the console war like any competition is a good thing. The problem with fanboys is that they are very passionate about what they support. Every console has its flaws and you pick the one thats best for you.

There is no ultimate car or ultimate anything. In many cases things are so simular like the ps3/360 that you pick the one that feels right to you. Call it character but a ps3 appeals more to me than a 360 DESPITE all its faults.

Fanboys just exist because they fell threatened by other things that they dont have. They want to attack the other console because they need to protect what they paid for. Every console could be better and the console war will ensure consoles get better but when buying consoles all that matters is your opinion. Dont try to take the splinter out of your brothers eye before you clear your own. ie all consoles have faults, just buy one( or 3:D ) and shut up.

bigg black

Mar 5, 2007, 07:17 PM

the wii will be number one in japan for sure. But with the ps3 breaking record sale numbers for preoders in europe thats gonna be huge in the long run. and with the 360 to get it with a hd-dvd player add on it comes out to the same price as the ps3. plus games on blu ray is a bonus mgs needs a double layer disc for the game thats 50 gigs just amagine what they can do with that much spasce and the potenol that the ps3 has

in the next 3 years its gonna be 1)the wii 2)ps3 3)360

but once ppl tired withe the wii i see it 1)pse 2)wii 3)360

zap2

Mar 5, 2007, 07:25 PM

in the next 3 years its gonna be 1)the wii 2)ps3 3)360

but once ppl tired withe the wii i see it 1)pse 2)wii 3)360

I personally have to disagree. I can see the Wii winning. I can't see the PS3 coming in first, 2nd maybe, but even then it will be close. The reasons are

1) 600 Dollars-thats alot of money, parnets might not be willing to go out and spend that. The PSP, while it has sold units, it have the "power" portable market all to itself. If you want graphics on a handheld, your only choice is Sony, and even still its not out selling the DS. Imagine in the PSP has to face another Graphic's based handheld...they'd have even less of the market.

2) Xbox 360, while sucking in Japan is doing very well, considering the fact is playing w/ a handicap. The fact it even can keep in the game with the PS3 will be good for MS. The 360 currently has about the same graphics(possible even better), better online and better games.

bigg black

Mar 5, 2007, 07:32 PM

but thats y ms came out with the 360 a year before everyone else they wanted to get the early advatage so then ppl wouldnt go out and get or think about the other 2 systems

but out of the 3 sony has the most potential with there system and ms is already planin a second ver of the 360 to add hdmi on it.

plus sony is losing about $250 per 60 gig system that they sell and almost $300 with the 20 gig (but u cant go wrong with free online)

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 07:56 PM

No way. Brand strength doesn't count in this industry.

The way I see it, and what I've said since day #1 - The Wii will win, but nobody will care because the vast majority will be the ex non-gamers. Anti-Wii people will say that only the hardcore gamers count and thus declare either PS3 or 360 winner. Right now, despite my personal preference of a PS3 I see the 360 coming out on top.
Wii sold most in all regions, 360 takes America and Europe, PS3 takes Japan by a landslide compared to 360.

Oh and you can go wrong with free online, bigg black. You get a stellar service with Xbox Live. Not so with PS3 or Wii. And the pre-orders? They've been going since early last year compared to the 1 month that other systems get. And please learn to spell correctly and then try posting. Turn on the spell checker in Safari?

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 08:04 PM

the wii should not even be in the same comparison as the 360 and the ps3. the wii is aiming for a more younger audience and dosen't even match the other two. the ps3 as only been out for3 and a half months now and isn't doing that bad. with the Europe lunch still to come will be a big boost and the amazing graphics that it produce along with blu ray is a deadly combo. the 360 is a good system but has had a year head start and has had more time for games to come out and developer to understand the system more.
With that being said i think that the ps3 will be winning this war and be on top again for a third generation of the playstation:)

Haha, I cannot believe I missed this one...

Wii is aiming for a younger market? Right, okay. I think somebody is confusing universal with younger. Wii Sports is universal, there are no ponies, no simplistic story telling. Barbie games etc are aimed at younger audiences. :rolleyes:
PS3 has been out 3 and a half months and it's sold half of what the Wii has, despite the earlier US launch.
It doesn't matter if one or two developers understand the system. Right now devs are snapping up Wii dev kits because of the insane popularity for the system. Oh and cheaper, quicker to develop for... we're going to be seeing a lot of devs. Just like the DS. though not necessarily a good thing but something Sony fans harp on about.

INFACT the Wii is aiming for the biggest market there is - the non-gamer. Please try a better argument next time.

zap2

Mar 5, 2007, 09:11 PM

but out of the 3 sony has the most potential with there system and ms is already planin a second ver of the 360 to add hdmi on it.
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1) There no proof a new Xbox 360 is coming,and if it does, thats only a bad thing for Sony.

2) If we have learned anything over the past few generation it is that power doesn't mean your going to win.

Last Gen-PS2 was the weakest system(ignoring Dreamcast), yet it sold the most units

Saturn was strong then PS1/N64..atleast it had more power, although programing was easyer for PS1/N64 due to the complez nature of the Saturn

So basic ,though out all the 3D consoles, never has the one with the graphic sold the most units

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 09:19 PM

I always find the power point funniest.

(sales wise)
GBA>GP32
DS>PSP
PS2>Xbox+GC
GB>everything, literally
PS1>N64

(goodness wise)
R-Type 1>R-Type 3
Zelda TP>everything current gen
FFVII>FFVII+

Then look at systems that pushed "realistic" graphics, CD-i, 3D0. oh dear.

sikkinixx

Mar 5, 2007, 09:44 PM

(goodness wise)
R-Type 1>R-Type 3
Zelda TP>everything current gen
FFVII>FFVII+

I think you confused goodness with crappyness.

2nyRiggz

Mar 5, 2007, 09:48 PM

Zelda TP>everything current gen

You are joking with that right....you have to be. I don't see see power outweighting anything I think all the consoles have a chance on winning this so called war...but if it pushes these companies to lush out games I will enjoy then I say flame on.

Right now the 360 is hands down the best system out there with the PS3 three steps behind and the wii trailing..this is based on my conclusion on OWNING all three of the consoles. I don't play into brand but what the brand is offering me to make a better gaming experience...dont care if its MS, Sony or Nintendo..I'm looking out for me here not the companies raking in cheese whiles the fanboys run on about blah blah blah

Its all about you here people...

Bless

e²Studios

Mar 5, 2007, 09:55 PM

I think you confused goodness with crappyness.

QFT

You are joking with that right....you have to be. I don't see see power outweighting anything I think all the consoles have a chance on winning this so called war...but if it pushes these companies to lush out games I will enjoy then I say flame on.

Right now the 360 is hands down the best system out there with the PS3 three steps behind and the wii trailing..this is based on my conclusion on OWNING all three of the consoles. I don't play into brand but what the brand is offering me to make a better gaming experience...dont care if its MS, Sony or Nintendo..I'm looking out for me here not the companies raking in cheese whiles the fanboys run on about blah blah blah

Its all about you here people...

Bless

^5 2NY, very good observations. Once PS3 titles start rolling in, which they seem to be doing now that the PS3 will reclaim its top spot. I can't see the Wii doing much, its a fad at best, the hype has already started to fade.

I can't compare like you can, i own a Wii and a PS3, but can say with confidence that i will never own a 360.

Kudos to you though on your post, it has more weight and meaning to it coming from someone who actually owns all 3 systems :)

Ed

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:02 PM

Why hello, mass public opinion. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/legendofzeldatwilightprincess?q=twilight princess)

sikkinixx

Mar 5, 2007, 10:02 PM

Y
Right now the 360 is hands down the best system out there with the PS3 three steps behind and the wii trailing..this is based on my conclusion on OWNING all three of the consoles.

I agree but that is just because the Wii has no great games out yet. I think once it gets some more quality games it will be better. It fills a different void than the 360/PS3 fills imho.

The loser to me right now is my 360, it has about an inch of dust on it since I use my PS3 as my movie player now (Blu-ray = awesome picture), and for my PS3/PS2 gaming and the VC is getting some good use on my Wii, as is Wii Sports with the gf. I am waiting for a cool exclusive for the 360 to get me back into it (and yes I have tried the craptastic Crackdown)...

darkwing

Mar 5, 2007, 10:03 PM

^5 2NY, very good observations. Once PS3 titles start rolling in, which they seem to be doing now that the PS3 will reclaim its top spot. I can't see the Wii doing much, its a fad at best, the hype has already started to fade.
Ed

Yes it seems like I see more and more posts of people who are tired of motion sensing. What does the Wii have once you get bored of that? I used to want to get one, but now even SSBB isn't enough to make me interested.

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:08 PM

Tired of motion sensing? Since getting the Wii I haven't been able to play my pre-Wii games. Shigsy said he found it hard going back to traditional controllers, I never thought that was actually true.
No going back now.

sikkinixx

Mar 5, 2007, 10:16 PM

Why hello, mass public opinion. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/legendofzeldatwilightprincess?q=twilight princess)

and that means its great right?

This coming from the guy who whined about how unplayable Oblivion was...

It only get 94.1% from Gamerankings.com, a mere 0.9% behind the TP. I guess it wasn't bad.

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:19 PM

and that means its great right?

This coming from the guy who whined about how unplayable Oblivion was...

It only get 94.1% from Gamerankings.com, a mere 0.9% behind the TP. I guess it wasn't bad.

You've grown cold Sikkinixx.

Best of all my point still my point stands. Best game of this gen. Even if it's just 0.01% better, by fraction or by mile it's still got a higher ranking. Simple really.

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:24 PM

Actually. I'm changing my mind. I'm not giving Sony my money here, it's the only way I can tell them I don't agree with the lies they spread. The less people buy PS3's the better deals they'll put on to entice buyers. I mean 2nd hand, maybe I'll get one later down the line when they won't take a penny off me. I don't buy EA either.

Just give me Excite Truck 2 or Wii MotorSports, Wii Sports 2, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Disaster, Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid, Mario and some independant stuff (Nibris) and I'll never need look elsewhere. Why go elsewhere when I'm totally happy where I am?

2nyRiggz

Mar 5, 2007, 10:26 PM

Best of all my point still my point stands. Best game of this gen. Even if it's just 0.01% better, it's still got a higher ranking. Simple really.

I don't know about all of that....Because that site gave it a high score means its the best out of this gen games...I seriously don't think so but thats my opinion.

I don't think that site accounts for the people that didn't post a review or the people that can't be bothered. There are a lot of people that won't agree with your claim and some that will.

I for one don't think its the best game of this gen...I might be a band of one but I think the game is average...I even thought GOW upped it.

Note: I partly agree with your above post....but you are still closing your mind off to the new games that expand the games basis you listed.

Bless

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:31 PM

Because I won't have the time? I'm coming to the end of university now, I'll have a job, I'll be driving so I'll be round Carolines whenever I get free time. My life changes and I wont be investing much into game playing. I don't have much time now for gaming, hour on Excite Truck a day is all I can muster. I've got 4 months to get my game out.
That and I just think the controller has changed my tastes too much. Keyboard and mouse will always be my home, but motion is my... garden?

sikkinixx

Mar 5, 2007, 10:42 PM

You've grown cold Sikkinixx.

Best of all my point still my point stands. Best game of this gen. Even if it's just 0.01% better, by fraction or by mile it's still got a higher ranking. Simple really.

:rolleyes: thats not my point.

The point is that you made it out that just because mass media says it is good, means it is good to everyone.

You thought Oblivion was so-so at best, yet the mass media thought it kicked ass.

So if I am wrong that Zelda sucked, then you are wrong that Oblivion sucked.

or we can both agree that it is up to personal taste, and the media is full of crap.

Wallace25

Mar 5, 2007, 11:55 PM

: it is up to personal taste

I have to agree that it is all personal opinion. I think Zelda games are the best out there, but both of my roommates wont ever play one. Just not their style of game. Doesn't make it bad or good, just not for them.

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 03:50 AM

wow after this thread was cleaned out of all the fanboy posts only a day or so ago - it didnt take long to polute it again did it... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Right now the 360 is hands down the best system out there with the PS3 three steps behind and the wii trailing..this is based on my conclusion on OWNING all three of the consoles. I don't play into brand but what the brand is offering me to make a better gaming experience...dont care if its MS, Sony or Nintendo..I'm looking out for me here not the companies raking in cheese whiles the fanboys run on about blah blah blah
s

I agree. Pretty much my experience too.

And Jimmi, who are you kidding seriously mate. This whole I may buy a 360 or PS3 is getting a bit old now dont you think ?
Your more than likely never going to own a PS3 or 360 - we all know where your devotion lies ;)
You post once in a while I'll buy *enterbrandhere* when they fulfill this given criteria A,B,C.
As soon as they do - you post, differnent criteria yet again with some other excuse.
But you seem to think by saying "I may buy *enterbrandhere* " it gives you more legitamacy when your ripping the ***** out of the product.

I think you need to look for some other angle because current formula is getting v.predictable. Sorry.. :(

pcypert

Mar 6, 2007, 05:12 AM

If you really searched these forums you'd see a crap load of folks with 360's....but you have to really look...because they just pop up and offer simple advice and move on. Seriously look at 360 threads and you'll see a bunch of names that aren't the "celebrities of mac rumors forums". Most of the 360 players are PLAYING. They offer game advice and strategies and offer up codes to play online.

The Wii folks (cough, cough J) seem to spend quite a bit of time yacking ABOUT playing. But seem to have loads of time on their hands :) . They're the underdogs and underdogs are ALWAYS way more defensive and vocal. Always. Like art film school nerds bragging about some crappy foreign film.

So sites that rank all users preferences for games are ranking the folks who have free time to post about games...that's all. I have time to post and browse forums because I'm stuck at the computer running batches of wedding photos a lot. But I don't have to debate the goodness of GOW, R6 Vegas, Viva Pinata, etc...I just play them and they work well. I pop in here because I'm checking up on mac deals and purchasing advice...also looking for clues with my Apple stock.

Back to the original point...console war good. For all concerned. Wii is playing the third party candidate. A lot of marginalized people get a voice for a short time and feel really a part of something. They serve their purpose to bring an issue to the limelight and then one of the major players picks it up and runs with it and the third party sinks back down only to rise again a few years later with something else. I imagine we'll see more party games, platformers, etc on the other systems from here on out....thanks Nintendo...and then Nintendo will have to rethink to stay ahead. They always come up with something....but others usually end up doing it better in the end...

Paul

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 05:51 AM

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 06:02 AM

Well if you don't know when I'm being sincere MRU then I'm giving up right here.

I truly wanted a PS3 but rather than let my emotions take over and buy it, letting my brain kick in down the line and say "WTF did you do that for", I did the same for the Xbox and PSP. I'm learning. I'm not going to buy anything that doesn't catch me first time around now.

There's procrastination my man and there's procrastination ;)

Sure none of them are perfect and can never fulfill every strict criteria and will never likely do so.

A type of erroneous thinking that leads to procrastination is perfectionism. Thinking that you must do the job perfectly the first try will likely prevent you from ever getting started. Believing that you must do something perfectly is a recipe for stress, and you'll associate that stress with the task and thus condition yourself to avoid it. You then end up putting the task off to the last possible minute, so that you finally have a way out of this trap. Now there isn't enough time to do the job perfectly, so you're off the hook because you can tell yourself that you could have been perfect if you only had more time. But if you have no specific deadline for a task, perfectionism can cause you to delay indefinitely. If you've never even started that project you always wanted to do really well, could perfectionism be holding you back?

The solution to perfectionism is to give yourself permission to be human. Have you ever used a piece of software that you consider to be perfect in every way? I doubt it. Realize that an imperfect job completed today is always superior to the perfect job delayed indefinitely. Perfectionism is also closely connected to thinking of the task as one big whole. Replace that one big perfectly completed task in your mind with one small imperfect first step.

pcypert

Mar 6, 2007, 10:09 AM

MRU...we all know the 360 and PS3 are horribly flawed...it really is best Jimmi just hold off as it didn't catch him the first time around. I mean I've yet to play a solid four hour piece of crap that made you blindly roll a ball around corners and suddenly drop said ball through the floor. Maybe in the next revision the consoles will get their stuff together...and when will they drop that pesky hard drive...I mean we want people to download games and content, but we need them to buy more storage from us for crying out loud :)

I think owning one each of either the 360/PS3 and the Wii is the way to go though for a lot of folks. IF the platformers are all I'm hoping for on the Wii and then have everything work the way it should in all your racing, sports, FPS's, etc on the other. They should offer a Wii option on each of the other consoles :)

zero2dash

Mar 6, 2007, 10:19 AM

They should offer a Wii option on each of the other consoles :)

Like I said earlier...the Wii is the perfect complimentary console to one of the other two. :)

Xeem

Mar 6, 2007, 10:26 AM

(goodness wise)
R-Type 1>R-Type 3
Zelda TP>everything current gen
FFVII>FFVII+

It is interesting that a last-gen game like Zelda TP is still rated and talked about as much as or even more than any newer games, but having a single "must have" game doesn't guarantee success. The Xbox had Halo, and the Dreamcast had Soul Calibur, but neither could compete with the PS2, with its unremarkable launch library, which beat them both even before it really even had a good library.

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 01:31 PM

Shame the PS3 broke that and launched without good games. They're still advertising R:FoM as the game to get, yet the papers and magazines are saying stay clear. :confused:

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 01:37 PM

Oh MRU, I'm far from a procrastinator. You read that list of what I do (before the thread died). I do not have free time, and when I do graduate I'm setting up a small publishing house, probably just limiting me to the DS when I'm on the train or whatever.

I just expect a system that costs double (or more) than the cheapest one to have half the flaws. As a consumer I demand that as price increases, reassurance follows and problems decrease. No matter what happens, if I win lottery or whatever - I will not even sit near a 360 until they sort out the overwhelming hardware issues.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 02:35 PM

Shame the PS3 broke that and launched without good games
ololl

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 03:25 PM

ololl

It is laughable isn't it? The highest rated game is nothing more than an average FPS. I split my sides too.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 03:36 PM

Actually its probably one of the better FPS's out there right now......
What is laughable is how quickly you dismiss something without even trying it.
(that goes for any console/game)
But if I formulated my opinions from ignorant and biased media outlets, I would probably say the exact same thing. :rolleyes:

PS2 launch library wasn't that great IMHO....in fact I can't really think of too many HIGH CALIBER launches(and I have seen a few launches in my day).
But every gen it never fails; Every company touts: "The Best Launch Line-up Ever!"

If my decision to buy a console were based on its launch line-up alone, I'd have stopped gaming years ago........:p

There are just as many PS3 games that got 8.0+ reviews as there were Wii games, and many of those Wii games are VC games.
(Super Mario Bros., F-Zero, Super Mario 64, etc.) Those don't count IMHO.
As sequel or new IP is one thing, but those games should not count as Wii games.....because they aren't.

That like rating Q*Bert on PS3 a 9.0 an dcalling it the top rated game, it was that good long before PS3.......

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 03:49 PM

It is laughable isn't it? The highest rated game is nothing more than an average FPS. I split my sides too.

Resistance is not 'AVERAGE' its a very very good game, and as equally entertaining and impressive as HalfLife 2. I have enjoyed it immensly so far, and online its also a hoot.

RedSteel was average at best and this is in a different league altogether.

Seriously it's a great game and it makes it so much better that for the most part it's set in the North of England with later missions going southwest to Somerset etc... It's so refreshing locals from the usual generic USA future city.

Graphically it's as strong as HL2, and its framerate is wonderful no matter what's going on. There are some really interesting weapons and the physics are again really strong.

Running through a dining room with crawly creatures knocking over tables and attacking you is awesome, and the way an enemy grabs you or tries to latch onto your face and you have to shake it off with the six axis really works and makes it really immersive. COD3 pales in comparison.

Also the game is full of atmosphere. There are things flying over head , birds flock and fly off as enemy aproach.

Bring on the map pack, and start making Resitance 2 Insomniac.. NOW !!!

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 03:59 PM

R:FoM as good as HL2? Come on! no more side splitting please!

That said I've yet to complete Resistence (cousin has) and I haven't played it online yet.

zap2

Mar 6, 2007, 04:01 PM

Actually its probably one of the better FPS's out there right now......
What is laughable is how quickly you dismiss something without even trying it.

I've tried it, I'll take Halo 2 over it anyday...and Gears of War beats the **** out of it(its not a FPS but its similar) Not to mention the fact that Halo 3 is coming..

There are just as many PS3 games that got 8.0+ reviews as there were Wii games, and many of those Wii games are VC games.
(Super Mario Bros., F-Zero, Super Mario 64, etc.) Those don't count IMHO.

So? Does that mean its better? No, people like different games. And I doubt there are as many 8.0+ games on the PS3 as the Wii.

From IGN No 10

1)R:Fall of Man

2)MotorStorm
3)Virtua Fighter 5
4)NBA Street Homecourt
5)NHL 2K7
6)NBA 2K7
7)Fight Night Round 3
8)Madden NFL 07
9)Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
10)Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection (PSN game)
11)Ridge Racer 7

Wii
1)Kirby's Adventure (Virtual Console)
2)Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Virtual Console
3)Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
4)Legend of Zelda (Virtual Console)
5)Super Mario 64 (Virtual Console)
6)Gunstar Heroes (Virtual Console)
7)Donkey Kong Country (Virtual Console)
8)Super Mario World (Virtual Console)
9)Bomberman '93 (Virtual Console
10)Madden NFL 07
11)SSX Blur
12)Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
13)Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
14)R-Type III (Virtual Console)
15)Elebits
16)Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
17)Rayman Raving Rabbids
18) Super Ghouls N' Ghosts (Virtual Console)
19) Contra III: The Alien Wars (Virtual Console)
20)Sonic the Hedgehog (Virtual Console)
21)Super Castlevania IV (Virtual Console)
22)Wario's Woods (Virtual Console)
23)Bonk's Adventure (Virtual Console)
24)Ristar (Virtual Console)
25)Excite Truck
26)Trauma Center: Second Opinion

Only used IGN USA's Rating...UK and AU had Red Steel, Wii Sports and Wii Play in the 8s also

So basicly No, they Wii has more then double 8+ games the the PS3(give or take based on site rating them, but you get the point)

And yes Virtual Console/PSN games do count, because the are "newly" (re)released games for new systems

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 04:05 PM

:rolleyes:

jimmi come on, tell the truth, have you even played it or is this just another way of justifying your bashing of a universally praised game simply because its not on the wii ?

I remain skeptical because your posts show a level of ignorance that can not come from experience.

and with that.... I'm tired of going round in circles because your posts are really becoming tired and cliched. :rolleyes:

I've tried it, I'll take Halo 2 over it anyday...and Gears of War beats the **** out of it(its not a FPS but its similar) Not to mention the fact that Halo 3 is coming..

I thought there simply wasnt enough 'variety' in GOW tbh. I do think GOW is graphically superior, I would still rank Resistance as a better game overall.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 04:17 PM

Oh look how surprising :rolleyes:
You just took all the VC games that are made for other consoles and in no way/shape/form modified and counted them as Wii Games.

How many games, DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR WII, have a rating of 8+
I think you will be surprised to find there are not that many.......

9.1 - superb - WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Release Date: Jan 15, 2007

8.8 - great - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Release Date: Nov 19, 2006

8.4 - great - Madden NFL 07
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.3 - great - Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.0 - great - Rayman Raving Rabbids
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.0 - great - Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

6 games (source gamespot) (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1031&page_type=games&tag=subnav;top_games)

8.6 - great - Resistance: Fall of Man
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.3 - great - Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection
Release Date: Mar 1, 2007

8.3 - great - NHL 2K7
Release Date: Nov 13, 2006

8.2 - great - Fight Night Round 3
Release Date: Dec 5, 2006

8.2 - great - Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Release Date: Nov 17, 2006

8.2 - great - NBA 2K7
Release Date: Nov 13, 2006

8.2 - great - Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.2 - great - Call of Duty 3
Release Date: Nov 14, 2006

8.1 - great - Virtua Fighter 5
Release Date: Feb 20, 2007

8.0 - great - Ridge Racer 7
Release Date: Nov 13, 2006
10 games (source gamespot) (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1028&page_type=games&tag=subnav;top_games)

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!
NOTE: Gamespot gave motorstorm the lowest rating I have seen thus far with a 7.9, or else that list would be 11 to 6(ALMOST TWICE THE NUMBER OF GAMES!)

It must be the end of the world or something.....:rolleyes:

I've tried it, I'll take Halo 2 over it anyday...and Gears of War beats the **** out of it(its not a FPS but its similar) Not to mention the fact that Halo 3 is coming..
Your opinion is valid, but not necessarily truth. To many others, it is the one of the best FPS's out there.
Reviews and sales prove that.

erikistired

Mar 6, 2007, 04:21 PM

erikistired

Mar 6, 2007, 04:22 PM

It is interesting that a last-gen game like Zelda TP is still rated and talked about as much as or even more than any newer games, but having a single "must have" game doesn't guarantee success. The Xbox had Halo, and the Dreamcast had Soul Calibur, but neither could compete with the PS2, with its unremarkable launch library, which beat them both even before it really even had a good library.

they couldn't compete with the sony marketing team, not the system itself.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 04:25 PM

unfortunately for sony the ps3 is not doing fine at all,
Could you please elaborate on how that statement is fact?

Sold faster than PS1/PS2 in its launch window.
Supply shortages are a non-issue, and EU/UK pre-orders are rediculous.

While we may have expected a lot more, its doing just fine.
(i.e. retailers are still ordering MORE units and Sony is close to their March goal)

erikistired

Mar 6, 2007, 04:29 PM

Could you please elaborate on how that statement is fact?

Sold faster than PS1/PS2 in its launch window.
Supply shortages are a non-issue, and EU/UK pre-orders are rediculous.

While we may have expected a lot more, its doing just fine.
(i.e. retailers are still ordering MORE units and Sony is close to their March goal)

yes, a bunch of kids bought them out to sell them on ebay, then returned them when they found out they in fact weren't selling. past the first few weeks, the sales numbers are stagnant at best. retailers are barely moving the things, this coming from oh, people who manage or work at stores who sell the things. supply shortages are a non issue because they aren't selling.

i don't live in the EU/UK so the pre-orders being "ridiculous" there have no meaning to me, but i'd like to see some hard numbers to back that claim up.

it's good to see the SDF alive and kicking in places other than evil avatar tho.

p.s. the only people who think resistance is a great FPS are those who were dumb enough to buy into the hype instead of trying it out at a friend/relatives and then pointing and/or laughing at the money they spent.

e²Studios

Mar 6, 2007, 04:40 PM

yes, a bunch of kids bought them out to sell them on ebay, then returned them when they found out they in fact weren't selling. past the first few weeks, the sales numbers are stagnant at best. retailers are barely moving the things, this coming from oh, people who manage or work at stores who sell the things. supply shortages are a non issue because they aren't selling.

i don't live in the EU/UK so the pre-orders being "ridiculous" there have no meaning to me, but i'd like to see some hard numbers to back that claim up.

it's good to see the SDF alive and kicking in places other than evil avatar tho.

p.s. the only people who think resistance is a great FPS are those who were dumb enough to buy into the hype instead of trying it out at a friend/relatives and then pointing and/or laughing at the money they spent.

Holy Fud-Monsters... And i thought some other nameless people were bad, this guy tops the FUD meter. He said would you care to prove it and all you can come up with is mindless FUD? You didn't even try to justify your statements with facts, you just spewed more FUD.

As a reminder if stores are consistantly ordering more units and Sony is close to making their sales goals that would imply that they are selling. Were you one of those "kids" and now you are bitter that you couldnt make 2k off some poor schmuck?

Ed

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 04:44 PM

US Monthly Sales: (Nov/Dec/Jan)
PS3 - 197,000/490,700/244,000

your right those numbers are horrible.....:rolleyes:

Mr Skills

Mar 6, 2007, 04:47 PM

The Wii folks (cough, cough J) seem to spend quite a bit of time yacking ABOUT playing. But seem to have loads of time on their hands :) . They're the underdogs and underdogs are ALWAYS way more defensive and vocal. Always. Like art film school nerds bragging about some crappy foreign film.

But surely if that was true we would see huge forums with 100,000+ members where everyone was talking about Macs? Don't be ridiculous! :p

zap2

Mar 6, 2007, 04:51 PM

Oh look how surprising :rolleyes:
You just took all the VC games that are made for other consoles and in no way/shape/form modified and counted them as Wii Games.

How many games, DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR WII, have a rating of 8+
I think you will be surprised to find there are not that many.......

6 games (source gamespot) (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1031&page_type=games&tag=subnav;top_games)

10 games (source gamespot) (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1028&page_type=games&tag=subnav;top_games)

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!
NOTE: Gamespot gave motorstorm the lowest rating I have seen thus far with a 7.9, or else that list would be 11 to 6(ALMOST TWICE THE NUMBER OF GAMES!)

It must be the end of the world or something.....:rolleyes:

Your opinion is valid, but not necessarily truth. To many others, it is the one of the best FPS's out there.
Reviews and sales prove that.

I like how you took out VC games..but left PSN games in:rolleyes:
And clearly gamestop and IGN don't even agree on which games are good...personal I don't care that gamespot say is the best. I like the Wii games...plus a good amount of those PS3 games, can be had on the Xbox 360 w/ better graphic or 200 dollars cheaper.

Not to mention, those VC games are on the Wii. I don't care that those games came out for other system...there on the Wii now.

Your opinion is valid, but not necessarily truth. To many others, it is the one of the best FPS's out there.
Reviews and sales prove that.

Your not try to tell me that R:FoM is better based on sales then Halo 2..are you?

Also what with everyone saying FUD now? Is the cool new slang word? ;)

-M7-

Mar 6, 2007, 04:52 PM

I'm reading the threads of you guys out of curiosity. Basically it's 5 to 8 people pseudo intellectually arguing over games consoles.

I like it when a topic is started with something constructive like the good things of a console war. Yet you somehow collectively manage to turn each thread into a (quite polite) flame war.

I guess I have to limit myself to read only page 1 where the flaming usually doesn't start.

Please check if the following definition applies to you:

Fanboy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Fanboys.

Fanboy or fanboi is a term used to describe an individual (usually male, though the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors that differ from their point of view. Fanboys are also typically aggressive towards the opposing brand or competition of their obsession regardless of its merits or achievements.

FleurDuMal

Mar 6, 2007, 04:58 PM

Doesn't it get boring arguing over consoles? Couldn't you spend all the time you argue over this stuff actually playing games? Does it really matter how many PS3's were sold last month? Does it matter how many games are sold with each Wii? Does it matter what score IGN gave whatever game?

Isn't it just the same argument again and again and again...

:confused:

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 05:09 PM

I like how you took out VC games..but left PSN games in:rolleyes:
And clearly gamestop and IGN don't even agree on which games are good...personal I don't care that gamespot say is the best. I like the Wii games...plus a good amount of those PS3 games, can be had on the Xbox 360 w/ better graphic or 200 dollars cheaper.

Not to mention, those VC games are on the Wii. I don't care that those games came out for other system...there on the Wii now.

Games like FLOW and TEKKEN 5 are designed specifically for PS3, or are you even reading my posts?
I CLEARLY stated rating Q*Bert high and counting it as a PS3 game is rather.....STUPID!
But if you want to go there we can throw in all the PS1 classics for PSP.
Since they are only available via PS3......
But again, the argument is a moot point, considering the games in question have AGAIN in no way/shape/form been modified/updated to take advantage of the system.
They are merely additional revenue, while the LACK OF GOOD GAMES drought continues.

You won't catch me saying there is not drought on any system, they all have/had/will continue to have droughts.
The only point I was really trying to make is basing your judgment of a console using nothing but launch lineup is rather preposterous.

Your not try to tell me that R:FoM is better based on sales then Halo 2..are you?

No...thats you putting words into my mouth. Resistance sales are great, reviews are great.
You may take Halo 2 anyday over R:FOM, or any of the other ridiculous amount of FPSes that you enjoy on the xbox platform.
That STILL doesn't make your opinion truth.....the game is GOOD - there is no denying it.

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 05:10 PM

Isn't it just the same argument again and again and again...

:confused:

Unfortunetly yes.

The one thing I've learned is that some people will continue to dismiss other games and hardware without any rational simply because they are not on their chosen format.

I struggle to understand why and assume it has to do with some form of insecurity, because their own justification simply appears to have no basis in rational thinking.

I guess that would be your 'Fanboy' definition -M7-

I enjoy gaming and good games period. Does it matter what format they are on ? No.

zap2

Mar 6, 2007, 05:25 PM

Games like FLOW and TEKKEN 5 are designed specifically for PS3, or are you even reading my posts?
I CLEARLY stated rating Q*Bert high and counting it as a PS3 game is rather.....STUPID!
But if you want to go there we can throw in all the PS1 classics for PSP.
Since they are only available via PS3......
But again, the argument is a moot point, considering the games in question have AGAIN in no way/shape/form been modified/updated to take advantage of the system.
They are merely additional revenue, while the LACK OF GOOD GAMES drought continues.

You won't catch me saying there is not drought on any system, they all have/had/will continue to have droughts.
The only point I was really trying to make is basing your judgment of a console using nothing but launch lineup is rather preposterous.

I really don't care that the games are the same on the Wii as they were on N64/SNES/NES/Genisis/Turbograhix16...in fact I want them to be the same. If Nintendo went and screwed with the games I wouldn't want them as much

No...thats you putting words into my mouth. Resistance sales are great, reviews are great.
You may take Halo 2 anyday over R:FOM, or any of the other ridiculous amount of FPSes that you enjoy on the xbox platform.
That STILL doesn't make your opinion truth.....the game is GOOD - there is no denying it.

They FLOW and Tekken 5 were modifyed, not really designed for the PS3. I don't see a drought on the Wii...its simply not there for me. I have more then enough games to get

As for Halo 2 being better then R:FoM, I NEVER put words in your mouth...I ASKED if you were saying that sales on Fall of Man were making it better then Halo2....ASKED.

You said sales and reviews would prove which was the better game, and I thought were you were pushed the fact Fall of Man had good review and good sales(how can't it when its one of the few good games out for a system) you were hint that sales would go in the favor of Fall of Man, which I highly doubt they will
Did I say Fall of Man was bad? Nope, but its certianly nothing I havn't seen before.

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 05:33 PM

Also what with everyone saying FUD now? Is the cool new slang word? ;)

Along with 4D, yes it is!

Why is the PS3 selling less than the Wii despite all these totally bodacious games? Is the PS3 that flawed that less people are buying than the game drought/no good game/no online/no HD/no film playing Wii?

Oh and RE the PS3 European pre-orders, that FUD was quashed a long time ago right here on the boards. Biggest component to that being the ability to pre-order had been running for a year longer than any other system. Heck, my Gamestation are still offering PS3 pre-orders despite there being a pre-order season of a whole month there. 3 days after the Wii ones started they were sold out. What was the date? I'm sure I remember some site or paper claiming that every single UK Wii pre-order was taken up within X amount of days. Heh, even with these so-called records, you can still pre-order one for launch.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 05:39 PM

You said sales and reviews would prove which was the better game
Nope, again re-read, I said sales/reviews were good enough to prove R:FOM is ONE OF THE BEST FPSes out there.
I was merely correcting people that are arguing its a mediocre game.
STILL one of the best selling PS3 games and STILL one of the best selling game month by month.(in US at least)
GeOW is outselling it, but it should, there is a larger user-base.

Here are the overall best-selling titles for January 2007:

1. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360) Capcom
2. Guitar Hero 2 W/Guitar (PS2) Red Octane (Activision)
3. Gears of War (Xbox 360) Microsoft
4. Warioware: Smooth Moves (Wii) Nintendo
5. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii) Nintendo
6. Resistance: Fall Of Man (PS3) Sony
7. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas (Xbox 360) Ubisoft
8. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube) Nintendo
9. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Collectors Ed. (Xbox 360) Capcom
10. Call of Duty 3 (Xbox 360) Activision
11. Madden NFL 07 (PS2) Electronic Arts
12. Madden NFL 07 (PS3) Electronic Arts
13. Rayman Raving Rabbids (Wii) Ubisoft
14. WWE Smackdown Vs. Raw 2007 (PS2) THQ
15. Final Fantasy Xii (PS2) Square Enix
16. Madden NFL 07 (Xbox 360) Electronic Arts
17. Fight Night Round 3 (PS3) Electronic Arts
18. Karaoke Revolution American Idol W/ Microphone (PS2) Konami
19. Call of Duty 3 (PS3) Activision
20. Madden NFL 07 (Wii) Electronic Arts
IGN

[EDIT] btw - its number 2 in PS3 EU/UK game pre-orders.....behind Motorstorm(I believe).

-M7-

Mar 6, 2007, 05:44 PM

The only platform to play games on in the future will clearly be the :apple: TV. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the FACTS!1!

Look at all the preorders! It's obvious that it will win. I heard that the demand is unprecedented.

just kidding. :p

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 05:47 PM

-M7-

Mar 6, 2007, 05:50 PM

All it needs is CELL, SIXAXIS and dual HDMI and 4D and discipline... and 2 jobs.

Don't forget the REVOLUTIONARY motion controls and paid first class online service MACLIVE.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 05:50 PM

as long as it doesn't have DVD as the standard format........I'll buy it :p

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 05:53 PM

Why? :confused: Am I missing something? What's that Crysis you fit on DVD9, you're well developed aren't you!
what! A game less than 50gb cannot be enjoyable.

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 05:56 PM

Fanboy am cry.....you jokingly make sarcastic comments about certain platforms and I retort similarly, and you think I'm being serious?

I'm done here.......
*walks away slowly*

JackAxe

Mar 6, 2007, 05:56 PM

as long as it doesn't have DVD as the standard format........I'll buy it :p

Then why did you buy a Mac? :p

<]=)

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 05:58 PM

Actually I don't have one(mac) ATM, still waiting on those BD players to show up.
Also hoping Apple dumps INTEL and goes back to IBM for CELL. :cool:

-M7-

Mar 6, 2007, 05:59 PM

Then why did you buy a Mac? :p

<]=)

Don't the Mac Pros get Bluray soon?

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 06:00 PM

still waiting on those BD players to show up.
Yes, Apple is backing Blu-Ray

Chone

Mar 6, 2007, 06:03 PM

The PS3 is actually looking really well, launch games don't tell the whole story, the PS2's launch wasn't that impressive either, I remember getting FIFA 2001 and Sky Oddysey with it, Sky Oddysey was darned good but it wasn't a killer app. Now look how well the PS2 has done.

The PS3 2007 lineup looks very impressive, beginning with Motorstorm and F1 CE, there are the usual remakes like F.E.A.R. and Oblivion which I'm sure will do very good even though personally I've played the hell out of both games on my PC. Then you get cool new franchises like Heavenly Sword and Lair which both look promising and then the final months of the year (Q3 and Q4) pack an impressive punch with quite a few new IPs and some kickass sequels... Assasin's Creed, Stranglehold, Dark Sector, Burnout 5, Warhawk, Unreal Tournament 3, Frontlines, HL2 Orange Box, GTA IV, new Brothers in Arms, SW Force Unleashed, Mercenaries 2, Spider Man Trilogy, Devil May Cry 4, Coded Arms Assault, Ratchet & Clank Tools of Destruction, Medal of Honor Airborne, Metal Gear Solid 4,

Now tell me that isn't a darn impressive line up, I don't believe the Wii has nearly as exciting a lineup as this one (outside of the regular Nintendo 1st party) so really let the PS3 live a little before criticizing it so much.

JackAxe

Mar 6, 2007, 06:25 PM

Don't the Mac Pros get Bluray soon?

Yep, hopefully next release. But that doesn't apply to any Mac that is out now. ;)

<]=)

JackAxe

Mar 6, 2007, 06:33 PM

I don't believe the Wii has nearly as exciting a lineup as this one (outside of the regular Nintendo 1st party) so really let the PS3 live a little before criticizing it so much.

This is pretty much the case for all consoles at launch. For the PS3, it's R:FoM. ;) For the 360, it was the games that even Nintendo rejected. :)

Anyone that rips on a console's launch title, is a hypocrite. Dam ALL of us for being hypocrites!!! :)

<]=)

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 06:34 PM

Assasin's Creed, Stranglehold, Dark Sector, Burnout 5, Warhawk, Unreal Tournament 3, Frontlines, HL2 Orange Box, GTA IV, new Brothers in Arms, SW Force Unleashed, Mercenaries 2, Spider Man Trilogy, Devil May Cry 4, Coded Arms Assault, Ratchet & Clank Tools of Destruction, Medal of Honor Airborne, Metal Gear Solid 4,

Now tell me that isn't a darn impressive line up, I don't believe the Wii has nearly as exciting a lineup as this one (outside of the regular Nintendo 1st party) so really let the PS3 live a little before criticizing it so much.

Impressive to you maybe.

Assassins Creed looks very nice, visually it looks very Robin Hood inspired. Unreal? Haha, have you played the recent UT games? Now MGS4 I'm interested to see. HL2? As if the drop of 10% in average ratings wasn't enough to say "look, HL2 doesn't work without a mouse" on the original Xbox.

Not impressed. THAT said, the only games I'm really looking forward to on the Wii are Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and Disaster:Crisis (or whatevr it was called) and potential un-announced ones like new Zelda, Mario Kart, F-Zero.

2nyRiggz

Mar 6, 2007, 07:33 PM

It is laughable isn't it? The highest rated game is nothing more than an average FPS. I split my sides too.

Jimmi please stop now...you sound like a serious fanboy sniffing the Nintendo powder.

I'm tired of seeing the same crap over and over again..but it does make the gaming section interesting yet sad...and those who don't like it much and complaining about it.....exit...thats all I have to say on that.

This topic is about the war and I don't see why peoples here can't get out all of the fanboy dribble now...so drbble on.

Bless

pcypert

Mar 6, 2007, 07:41 PM

ictiosapiens

Mar 6, 2007, 07:44 PM

...and EU/UK pre-orders are rediculous.

Are you sure about this?? Because its a bit less than 3 weeks before launch, and amazon UK are still accepting preorders... When the Wii was about to come out they had a pre-order window of a day, and they sold out in 4 minutes... Then they had another of an hour, again sold out in 3 minutes(I know because I unsuccesfully tried ordering both times)

Unless amazon secured a LOT of consoles, I don't see how the pre-orders can be so many...

zap2

Mar 6, 2007, 07:53 PM

Also hoping Apple dumps INTEL and goes back to IBM for CELL. :cool:

Please...I havn't seen anything from Cell that make it seem SO great. The PS3 sucks w/ linux on it...ya I know it only have 256mb RAM, but still I'll stay with Apple and Intel

zap2

Mar 6, 2007, 07:57 PM

This topic is about the war

Bless

The topics no longer about the war...it is the war

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 08:13 PM

Just feel like I should say again I am a Nintendo fan...just not a fan boy. Jimmi will pounce on any hole in the 360/PS3 but is so dang forgiving of Nintendo stuff...saying, "oh it'd be nice to have this or that but it's great as is"...but with 360, "it MUST have this or that"...just silly. Check my posts, I'm full on about bugs and hiccups in 360 games and what not....I'm not a blind fan, but can acknowledge that it's a really solid system right now despite it's lack of platformers (changing soon :) ).

There's game play on 360 and PS3...good stuff at that. Sometimes so much focus is put on exclusives, but there's solid games out for the non Wii systems that are non exclusive third party games the controllers work for. If someone doesn't already have another system there's tons of other great, fun games out there and more to come.

I shake my head in shame for lack of people *properly* reading my posts. As I've said countless times -
for £180 I can accept faults.
for £270 I expect reliability (and a bigger HDD).
for £430 I expect a LOT more for the gamer and evidence that this really is the most powerful system.

for £50 I'll accept the PSP's constant motion blur (bad refresh), hell I wouldn't mind no memory card at that price.
Heck I didn't buy a GBMicro till they were £30.

Exactly what I said ictiosapiens. If the PS3 has all these pre-orders, why are they still taking more? Major game shops stop when the initial batch of pre-orders are fulfilled. Posters and websites are still saying "guaranteed one on launch day"... *shrugs*

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 09:04 PM

Walking into GAME you begin to see PS3 promotions everywhere. Speaking to the manager and staff its safe to say they are all hyped up about the launch. When asked about how pre orders are going he states 'It has completley outstripped the companys original unit buy from Sony' and every store has surpassed 80 pre orders including small stores in debenhams etc. Flagship stores for game have hit nearly 200 orders each.

Surprisingly he also said that they are still accepting orders that will be fullfilled on day 1. Asked how this is possible he replys 'Game as a company now has almost 50% of the british PS3 stock!'

Also according to an email from head office, Motorstorm is the most pre ordered game, followed by Resistance in 2nd, Def jam 3rd and formula 1 4th.ps3 forums (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=60753)

Take it as you will, but Sony delayed Europe so that they would have a strong launch there.....expect record numbers(if not close to it).
THe line-up is also much better as well.
In all honest this was probably Sonys target for a GLOBAL launch, but they had to get the system out(in NA particulary) to fight off 360 market share.
Its one of the reasons we(NA) got more launch units than JPN.
(its alos a reaons many things were cut from the original feautre list...besides pricepopint of course)

Coded-Dude

Mar 6, 2007, 09:07 PM

Please...I havn't seen anything from Cell that make it seem SO great. The PS3 sucks w/ linux on it...ya I know it only have 256mb RAM, but still I'll stay with Apple and Intel

Yeah...and every Apple application ran flawlessly on intel without any tweaks/modifications to better suit the architecture.

btw - CELL in :apple: TV would OWN!
It is a Multi-Media Broadband chip ya kow.....;)

e²Studios

Mar 6, 2007, 09:08 PM

Please...I havn't seen anything from Cell that make it seem SO great. The PS3 sucks w/ linux on it...ya I know it only have 256mb RAM, but still I'll stay with Apple and Intel

You say this because you own a PS3 and have first hand knowledge right? Or is this just another in the line of uninformed opinions-positioned-as-fact posts from nintendo fans on this board?

OS X sucks with 256 MB of RAM too, what's your point? Ah yes to troll, good job you've succeeded.

I can't comment on PS3 Linux ive seen it and played with it a little but nowhere near enough to make the claims you are making.

Ed

pcypert

Mar 6, 2007, 09:09 PM

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 09:22 PM

What's the crap that you can't put up with the 360? If it breaks they send you a new one...well after warranty for some folks even. I play mine regularly and live in really hot, humid climate with no worries at all. Solid performance. Don't need 1080p as 720p is really nice for my 32 inch HD TV. Love the controllers (which you said you loved in another post, but then later retracted that statement when it served your purpose), etc.
2/3 systems have broke in my area alone. However you look at it, from a consumer point that isn't good. Well after warranty? Where? Friend of mine in Ireland got the red ring (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZzjpstXffs) and had to pay a repair fee.

You know full well if the Wii was at the same price point you'd still be defending it and marble games ;) (sorry man your credibility will never live down the Oblivion vs Marble game week). Now arguing against games you've never played....Plus all the back and forth with statements...in one post saying besides the PS2 you've owned all systems and then in another saying you didn't own the SNES...etc...always changing stance and position...you have good stuff to say, but ease up a bit...you're running off other members

"You suck, but don't reply to me saying that".
Oblivion - I didn't like it. MRU didn't like Zelda, Darkwing doesn't like anything Nintendo. Oh noes I better not voice an opinion!
You seem to be the only one stuck with this marble thing? I said it's the best marble game I've ever played. So? It's not the best game ever. It's the best in the genre. Try harder. What about Ed H, people have so swiftly forgotten that he said the PS3 Sonic was a different and better game than the 360 Sonic? Sure, pick on me :rolleyes:

I bet one could just program a Jimmi script for the boards...it'd be a simple program to write...simple if then statement...like if someone types something positive about other system then post a reply about it really actually sucking or TP being better :) Then you'd have more time to flick your wrist...

True, you could also write an MRU or Sikkinnix bot- "I have all systems but *most popular* isn't that good". Coded-dude- "X is interesting but heres some PS3 sales figures". Ed H- "360 ports are better on PS3". 2ny- "*the most popular" is gathering dust". or perhaps you with "Japanese folk don't like the Wii" or the whole modchip thing. or any of the tech mass who say "Nintendo are childish". It's all character. Responces are all predictable. MRU is never going to like a Wii game, Darkwing will never get one too, I'll be scared to sit in the same room as a 360 incase it 'splodes...
Point?

MacRumorUser

Mar 7, 2007, 04:53 AM

MRU is never going to like a Wii game,

Why do I like WarioWare, SuperMokeyBall : Banana Blitz, Wii Sports and I'm actually enjoying Sonic despite its flaws.... So that statement is patently not true.

MRU didnt like Zelda you say. Not exactly true either if you look at my posts.

I didnt like the 'Wii' version, I simply could not abide the control system and felt it did nothing for the game and nothing for my left handed cackness, since getting the GC version instead I've enjoyed it, but just not as much as I did Zelda:WindWaker. I'd give it a 8.5/10 But at no point have I made ridiculous statements like the game is bug ridden and totally unplayable.

Yes I own all three systems. The difference Jimmi is I will give things and equal chance - I wont make my mind up before I've even played the game. A lot of your posts are simply ripping on a game or a system and yet you have limited or no first hand experience. That's why it's predictable and tired.

I dont favour one console over the others, because a console is merely the instrument to facilitate my 'GAME' playing, and so I choose based on which is giving me the best game experience to that paticular game.

Yes I criticise the Wii, but I also criticise the 360 and the PS3 when there are glaring things that annoy me about them. That is not favoritism, that's objectivity. Somthing which some people seem to miss.

True, you could also write an MRU or Sikkinnix bot- "I have all systems but *most popular* isn't that good".

See this is where you still are being silly. Because both Sikkinnix and I own all three systems and both agree other than a couple of titles for the wii which we are enjoying - there simply isnt enough quality content on it at the moment, and it hasnt lived up to its revolutionary gameplay promise as yet; and we are spending more time playing other systems - you immediatly imply we are wrong and prove your fanboy argument by adding "I have all systems but *most popular* isn't that good" by which you assert and imply that the Wii is the most popular.... Jimmi even your basic arguments are flawed lately.

I've said countless times before on other threads that I'm open to being wowed by the wii and nothing on it has impressed with the controls more than wii sports, and I'm looking forward to titles like Wing Island and Super Swing Golf, but at the moment games like the supposedly "most fun ball rolling game you have ever played" Koronipa have failed to impress me, and with valid reason.

pcypert

Mar 7, 2007, 05:22 AM

Exactly! There's a guy in the photo world named Rob Galbraith. Folks who don't know much will assume he knows what he's talking about and he does for the most part. But he used to be a huge Nikon Fanboy. He'd use his position as seeming expert to the uninitiated to glorify Nikon. Most of his "reviews" were made after reading white sheets...not even touching the camera. Once you figure that out you move on and quit trusting his opinion. Also he'd blanketly judge a Canon lens without ever shooting with it in the field.

Same deal. The only reason I'm calling you out on it is because you do have somewhat of a name here and are quite vocal. Frankly if I were a mod lots of your stuff would be deleted as it's obvious to anyone with the systems you make statements about you don't own the game. Lots of times your excitement for a game even on Wii is without actually being in your possession. Just asking you to tone it down. Not saying you're not a really valid member of the forum.

Paul

Dagless

Mar 7, 2007, 07:33 AM

Yes I own all three systems. The difference Jimmi is I will give things and equal chance - I wont make my mind up before I've even played the game. A lot of your posts are simply ripping on a game or a system and yet you have limited or no first hand experience. That's why it's predictable and tired.

I suppose the next step is to take photographs of me next to each machine. My brothers 360 and my cousins PS3 eBay business. I suppose the closest I can get to that right now is of the PS3's (http://satansam.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/img_7966.jpg), taken after his pub caught on fire. That was the little TV we played it on for hours on end.
I'll rip into any company telling me
Get a second job
They need discipline

See this is where you still are being silly.

You noticed I was being silly? Thank god! That means you don't have to carry on about it as if my original, or virtually anything I've said in this thread has been serious ;)

mkaake

Mar 7, 2007, 07:40 AM

You say this because you own a PS3 and have first hand knowledge right? Or is this just another in the line of uninformed opinions-positioned-as-fact posts from nintendo fans on this board?

OS X sucks with 256 MB of RAM too, what's your point? Ah yes to troll, good job you've succeeded.

I can't comment on PS3 Linux ive seen it and played with it a little but nowhere near enough to make the claims you are making.

Ed

I try to avoid the flame wars here, and only pipe in on things I actually know about, but I had to speak to this. I find it absolutely amazing that you of all people is going around talking about other people trolling and spreading FUD, when just yesterday I read a post of yours in a thread which pointed to an ebay auction for a Wii that hadn't sold at $150; using it as evidence that the Wii wasn't selling well. An auction that had been ended early because of an error with the listing.

So somehow, in your mind, everyone else is a fanboy, spreading FUD, and trolling, but your actions are somehow devoid of any of these traits.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

They're just freaking game consoles people. And there aren't too many people here who should feel themselves capable of labeling others as fanboys.

ericsthename

Mar 7, 2007, 09:36 PM

I dont favour one console over the others, because a console is merely the instrument to facilitate my 'GAME' playing, and so I choose based on which is giving me the best game experience to that paticular game.

Yes I criticise the Wii, but I also criticise the 360 and the PS3 when there are glaring things that annoy me about them. That is not favoritism, that's objectivity. Somthing which some people seem to miss.

And everybody said amen! Well, myself, I only have a 360 and a Wii at the moment. Right now, regardless of sales figures, the 360 is the system to beat. Sales figures do NOT represent a better console, and I think it is a common misconception. Was the PS2 anyones favorite console last gen? It wasn't mine, even though it DID have things I liked. I think that my Wii is great fun, but I know its a complimentary system for me. I will mostly use it for Nintendo's exclusive titles.

There are a great number of things that the Xbox has incorporated into the gameplay of 360 titles that simply arn't being done on other systems. I never liked japanese style RPG's, so the PS3 will have to build a bit of a library before I'll slap down for one. Sure its got value: bluray, wireless, 60 gigs and Linux capabilities, but only the wireless is useful to me for gaming.

The little things on the 360 like streaming itunes and achievements as well as a live component to nearly every title, arn't missed until you go back to gaming without them.

Do I have any who agree?

ddrueckhammer

Mar 7, 2007, 09:45 PM

Do I have any who agree?

Both your statements and the 360 are very well rounded. Nintendo is genius but frustrating at the same time for their lack of features.

ericsthename

Mar 7, 2007, 11:23 PM

Both your statements and the 360 are very well rounded. Nintendo is genius but frustrating at the same time for their lack of features.

Thankyou, I was just curious to throw this out again. I posted a comment just before Christmas where I outlined the few things that Nintendo could've included in the Wii which would not have significantly altered the price, but improved the experience a lot.

I wished Nintendo would've included a 1.8" Hard Drive - even as small as 5Gb for internal storage. I also wished for iPod integration and a touch more horsepower. Finally, my last two wishes were that it launched with online multiplayer, and the last was that the Virtual Console games offered updated graphics capabilities as the Xbox Live Arcade titles often do.

If these little things were added to the Wii's repertoire, my personal enjoyment with the console would be much greater.

JackAxe

Mar 8, 2007, 12:12 AM

Considering most VC games are only "kilobytes" in size, 5 Gigs would be a massive overkill. Also a 1.8 HDD is prone to failure when compared to flash-storage. Nintendo only introduces tech when and if it meets a certain price point and reliability. One thing I know for sure, is that Nintendo has consistently offered the most reliable consoles out of these newer guys. :)

The Wii has USB ports, so nothing is stopping Nintendo, or another from offering a Wii USB HDD. SD cards are also dirt cheap if you don't buy Nintendo's brand. A 1 Gig SD card can be had for about $15 on Amazon.

If I used my Wii for playing videos, or storing my photos, I would have wanted more storage. It would also come in handy, if Nintendo were to offer downloadable Wii demos.

iPod integration would be nice.

The Wii's GPU and CPU are a half a decade ahead of the Cube's tech and it has more than enough memory to handle 480p, even 720p. So it has more than just a touch more horsepower. If anything, Nintendo should play nice to HD peeps and offer a firmware update for 720p support.

I would have liked online play from the get go, but it's going to be "free," so I'm not complaining.

Virtual Console games offered updated graphics capabilities
Blasphemy!!! :( But actuality they did up the graphics, if you consider it now supports 480p.

I personally want DS downloadable games/demos. Demos for some of the VC games. Wii menu and Wii Classic Controller support while in a Gamecube game.

<]=)

ericsthename

Mar 8, 2007, 03:29 AM

Yeah, true that the 1.8" HD's fail more than flash, but in this day in age a 5 GB 1.8" should be pretty solid. If they were to make it clip in so that in the case that it fails, you just send in the HD that would've been decent in my opinion.

I know what you're saying about the classic games too, but in emulation its totally easy for developers to throw in the ability to turn on or off updated graphics.

I think the reason that Nintendo decided to go off into left field rather than join the horsepower race is because its really a race that they dont have good odds in. Both Sony and Microsoft have much larger developmental capabilities (likely... I don't know this for a fact).

I dont have any problem with the Wii going for the slower but more stable approach... on the other hand its really cool to see companies push the bleeding edge like MS did with the 360 (or the PS3 for that matter, a year later though isn't as impressive).

I could debate these stupid things for hours...

DeathChill

Mar 9, 2007, 07:58 PM

Well, I personally feel that the Wii is going to win in the same fashion that the DS won: better price point and more originality.

Does that mean that the XBox 360 and PS3 don't kick the Wii's behind in everything graphics and power-related? Nope. They do, but the Wii went for innovation rather than just pushing for more power.

For the guy saying that Apple should adopt Cell, please stop. As I understand it Apple did look at Cell but passed due to its many problems, one of the most glaring being that applications must be coded SPECIFICALLY for the architecture to get any real performance.

darkwing

Mar 9, 2007, 08:40 PM

I feel the cell is a good CPU but not a good general purpose CPU. Same reason the g4 kicked butt at video/photo filtering but stunk at compiling koffice.

As for Jimmi's comment, I loved my gamecube. I just didn't have many fun games for it. I bought it for the Zelda collection disc, Wind Waker, and Tales of Symphonia. I had a blast with Symphonia (best game ever) and got bored of Zelda, but so what? I just don't like the Wii and am upset with Nintendo for pushing last generation's tech as this generation. (Or 2 generations ago in the case of the DS.)

I'm also really upset with them for delaying TP for a year just to encourage people to buy a Wii. Waiting another month to release the GC version was even worse. I'll probably get it for the GC ultimately, though.

ericsthename

Mar 9, 2007, 10:28 PM

For the guy saying that Apple should adopt Cell, please stop. As I understand it Apple did look at Cell but passed due to its many problems, one of the most glaring being that applications must be coded SPECIFICALLY for the architecture to get any real performance.

Yes, true on both fronts. Apple was widely reported to have checked out Cell. Many people thought there might be some kind of partnership - if anyone remembers the keynote where apple and sony announced that they were "working more closely together".

That being said, its one thing for developers to code for a playstation - all applications will be developed for that particular architecture. It is entirely more difficult for a desktop computing company to adopt such a particular chipset. Apple had this exact problem before - the G5.

Dagless

Mar 10, 2007, 06:59 AM

Yea, that'll be great. Another architecture switch.

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 10, 2007, 11:29 AM

ericsthename

Mar 10, 2007, 06:00 PM

Chone

Mar 10, 2007, 08:30 PM

Competition is always good for consumers. I have a Wii and a 360 and am one of the ones who think Sony made a major bonehead with the PS3. I was going to get one up until around the time they made their now infamous price announcements. I was a major Sony head case until I heard that and got snapped back to reality. Kutaragi deserves the nickname Krazy Ken for that one thinking that the majority of gamers would be able to afford it. I'm having plenty of fun without a PS3. As soon as I finish getting my Digital Audio up to spec, I'll be playing WoW and Everquest and that will make my gaming life complete, as far as I'm concerned.

Actually I wouldn't call him Crazy Ken, the value of the PS3 is just right (I don't get why people say its not) and most serious gamers (the kind of gamers that feed the industry, forget kids, teens and casual gamers) have enough money to buy a PS3, thats for sure, what will really drain down your cash are the games... and they are equally expensive on all consoles (okay 10$ less for the Wii), the 100/200 you will save on a 360 will be NOTHING compared to what you will have spent throughout the console's life.

To put that last bit in perspective, I have around 50 games for the PS2, maybe more but lets say 50, most costed me full retail value (50$) when I got them, that equals to a whooping 2500$ + the 300$ for the PS2, now if I had bought the GameCube which was 100$ less (considering inflation, I'd say the 100$ difference between PS2 and Cube is similar to the 360 and PS3) I would have spend 2500$ + the 200$ for the cube... wow big difference.

So don't talk about economics because anyone who has the money to buy a 360, CAN buy a PS3, of course we are ignoring kids/teens with allowances and such. In fact if you can buy a Wii, you can buy a PS3, unless of course you plan on buying a single game a year (or pirating) :rolleyes:

People are so concerned about money that they miss the real point, sure its more expensive than the other stuff but you can still buy one. If you buying a PS3 will put you on the street or something, then buying any console is a bad value.

And another thing... the only overpriced console is the Wii. Yeah, crazy, I know :p