Wii: SNK Says No 3rd Party Online Games In 2007

[e²Studios]

"Of course, there has to be bad news, and it's kind of big: Herman says that Nintendo is not letting publishers add online functionality to games, VC or retail, and probably will continue this restriction throughout 2007."

"What I would say is, right now, I personally have not seen anything to suggest that there will be any exclusivity of titles for either machine. Microsoft has been very selective and is not looking for everything... Sony is just getting started. Nintendo is being careful, with NES and SNES titles, not to over-saturate the market. Microsoft has shown us that online games can be a strong part of a machine's offering. Nintendo is still not letting Wii third-party publishers include online capabilities in their games and it doesn't look like they will during 2007. So the best chance they have at building an online presence appears to be what they're doing with Virtual Console."

Congrats Nintendo, you just killed your chances.... What a let down.

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/03/03/snk-president-talks-about-neo-geo-on-the-vc/

http://news.spong.com/article/11950?cb=89

Ed

[Xeem]

As much as I've always respected Nintendo (sometimes grudgingly), I do find it sad that the Japanese Super Famicom had more impressive online implementation than both the Nintendo 64 and the GameCube. I hope the same isn't true for the Wii.

[greatdevourer]

Ouch :eek: Our only hope is if that's a rogue PR guy who got a badly translated version :(

[Bobdude161]

Ouch :eek: Our only hope is if that's a rogue PR guy who got a badly translated version :(

Wouldn't those 2 negatives make a positive? So if that was the case, then the story would be "All games will have online mulitplayer starting right NOW even the ones that originially don't have online capabilities." ;)

Tis a shame tho. Maybe Nintendo knows that only people who have alot of freinds in real life play the Wii and online play isn't really that important.

I'm just waiting for my Road Rash Wii Edition to come out. :cool:

[ninewhereman]

It's sad to hear that online functionality is going to be missing in the first year. That means not only does Nintendo need to catch up in third party support, but also online gaming. It's a shame and I think holding out for a full year is going to leave Nintendo in the dust online wise. What happened to the console that is supposed to let us connect to the internet in ways not thought possible. I am highly disappointed and really hope this isn't true.

On the flip side of the coin when I had an Xbox I rarely used my live account. So maybe online play isn't that big of a deal to me personally. In the end I would rather have a feature that I never use than never have it at all. Because it will be the one time that I use it that I will be very happy I have it. What a waste of a wifi connection.

[Redneck1089]

Ha! A console with subpar graphics, and now no online gameplay...


At least it's cheap(er).

[michaelltd]

Well, to be more correct, wouldn't that be no 3rd party on-line Wii games in 2007?

That is very unfortunate. Nintendo better work their hardest next year then to get more on-line support.

[JackAxe]

Wow, an amazingly pessimistic thread from our friend Ed H; Lover of Wii. ;)

Oh noooo, we're dooomed. Hold me!!!

Anyway, back to playing Super Ghouls n' Ghosts. :)

<]=)

[Dunepilot]

Actually, this is a major let-down. What's the problem here? they can make it work for the DS, so why not the Wii?

[RoxStrongo]

i think it's worth noting that the press release only states that there will be no 3rd-party games. it could be that we see some first party titles that utilise the service and that nintendo are simply being cautious as to exactly how they will manage the service. it's not a big deal for me though.

[pcypert]

From all they've said before now this will be limited to 3rd party stuff...I mean they've practically guaranteed Pokemon will have it and Metroid right? If not "wireless in ways not thought possible" = the revolutionary new online system that finally moves past that dated model of playing games online...we've streamlined the best part : spending money...no more trying to play with others and competing online...now you can buy our old games to make us more money :)

But again I doubt it's completely off.

Would this be a holdback for Jimmi if it was on the 360? Probably, but glossed over since it's the Wii...

Paul

[MacRumorUser]

What about Metroid ?

[Haoshiro]

What about Metroid ?

Yeah, I'm smelling FUD...

Unless Nintendo is like "no, only we can!" :D

[pcypert]

It would kind of make sense if you're really looking at developing a structure and want to make something really nice and tight...let them in once everything is worked out...but still...games like COD, Burnout, etc are all better online than in single player for me...can't imagine them off of Live...

Paul

[darkwing]

That's even more pathetic than not adding rumble. Well, hopefully Sony will put rumble back in around the time Nintendo joins the current generation of technology with its products. Not sure this will be in my lifetime, though. :(

[Agilus]

"What I would say is, right now, I personally have not seen anything to suggest that there will be any exclusivity of titles for either machine. Microsoft has been very selective and is not looking for everything... Sony is just getting started. Nintendo is being careful, with NES and SNES titles, not to over-saturate the market. Microsoft has shown us that online games can be a strong part of a machine's offering. Nintendo is still not letting Wii third-party publishers include online capabilities in their games and it doesn't look like they will during 2007. So the best chance they have at building an online presence appears to be what they're doing with Virtual Console."


This guy's from SNK, not from Nintendo, and he works on the Virtual Console. Maybe they don't have a kit now, but how can he predict the future when he says there won't be anything for third parties in 2007? It smells like he's the one spreading the FUD. Let's wait a little bit longer before we start spreading the doom and gloom.

You get on others when they talk about the PS3 not having any good games yet, because they're coming. That's respectable. What's not respectable is doing the same thing to the Wii with regards to online support, when there's little to back it up.

[darkwing]

This guy's from SNK, not from Nintendo, and he works on the Virtual Console. Maybe they don't have a kit now, but how can he predict the future when he says there won't be anything for third parties in 2007? It smells like he's the one spreading the FUD. Let's wait a little bit longer before we start spreading the doom and gloom.

You get on others when they talk about the PS3 not having any good games yet, because they're coming. That's respectable. What's not respectable is doing the same thing to the Wii with regards to online support, when there's little to back it up.

Well to be fair, Ed never said there'd be no online functionality for the Wii. He just posted a source that said there wouldn't be this year. *Hopefully* Sony will have a nice line up this year. :rolleyes:

March is a big month for the PS3, and the next month with many releases seems to be June. (A few more will trickle out by then, though.)

[Suture]

Nintendo has always been conservative, but I would be shocked if this was really true. No online play in 2007 would be a huge blow to them considering how well they've done with the Wii so far.

[Sky Blue]

Ouch :eek: Our only hope is if that's a rogue PR guy who got a badly translated version :(

Yup, this story was disproved a little while ago as ****** reporting by SPONG.

This story is ooooooollllllllddd.

[Dagless]

Old and disproved yes.

I thought Ed H didn't like FUD :(

[Sky Blue]

I thought Ed H didn't like FUD :(

To mis-quote a great man "this just another in the line of uninformed blog-posting-positioned-as-fact from non-nintendo fans on this board"

[2nyRiggz]

Yeah, I'm smelling FUD...

Unless Nintendo is like "no, only we can!" :D

This better be FUD and I'm talking about the FUD of FUDs because if this is true and they don't allow online play I would be pissed and I'll have to get rid of my Wii.

this would be a great mistake by Nintendo.



Bless

[Agilus]

Well to be fair, Ed never said there'd be no online functionality for the Wii. He just posted a source that said there wouldn't be this year. *Hopefully* Sony will have a nice line up this year. :rolleyes:


Well, to be fair, you're splitting hairs, and misrepresenting what I said. To be perfectly clear, I said stop spreading the crap.

[darkwing]

Well, to be fair, you're splitting hairs, and misrepresenting what I said. To be perfectly clear, I said stop spreading the crap.

Let's analyze for our readers who don't speak very good English.

You get on others when they talk about the PS3 not having any good games yet, because they're coming. That's respectable. What's not respectable is doing the same thing to the Wii with regards to online support, when there's little to back it up.

You mention Ed defending the PS3 because good games are coming. (Or, at least, games are coming.) This is true, because we have a slew of release dates. This slew of release dates is called a "source" or "evidence" to support an argument.

Next, you complain it isn't fair for Ed to do the same thing in regard to the Wii when there is "little to back it up." However, Ed provided a source (again, evidence to support an argument) in his original post, and thus has performed the same duty for his argument as the ones he makes for the PS3.

I don't feel I misrepresented anything, or "split any hairs." Now, whether Ed's source is true or not is another matter.

[Agilus]

Also, please correct your thread title. If this article hasn't been completely debunked (as indicated by previous posters, but I haven't checked up on), the title is wrong. These articles are from some SNK guy, not Nintendo, so "Nintendo Says No Online Games In 2007" is clearly false.

[Agilus]

Next, you complain it isn't fair for Ed to do the same thing in regard to the Wii when there is "little to back it up." However, Ed provided a source (again, evidence to support an argument) in his original post, and thus has performed the same duty for his argument as the ones he makes for the PS3.


If Ed's source is saying something with no basis in fact, and then he posts it as truth followed by a gloom and doom statement such as


Congrats Nintendo, you just killed your chances.... What a let down.


and then posts it in a thread falsely claiming that -Nintendo- said it (instead of some random SNK guy, who has no knowledge of the internal workings and plans of Nintendo), then he's spreading BS, just like the people who go on about the PS3's current lack of games. It's the same behavior.

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying stop spreading BS about the Wii. Doesn't matter if you're the source if you spread it, add to it, and pretend it's true.

[edit] I don't advocate spreading misinformation about the PS3 or XBox, and so I don't do it. I'm asking him to do the same thing.

[zero2dash]

This guy's from SNK, not from Nintendo, and he works on the Virtual Console.

Not only that, but how many Wii titles has SNK published?

1.

This is clearly debunked FUD.

It's already been mentioned that the article was old and disproven awhile ago, and the other fact is...it's an SNK rep. I love SNK with all my heart and soul for the (overpriced) masterpiece that is the NeoGeo, but you can't believe the word from an SNK rep on a console they didn't manufacture especially considering that no SNK game (outside of Japan) has featured online play.

[MacRumorUser]

Other than metroid though, does anyone know what or if any other games are expected to feature and online mode ?

I'm assuming Mario Kart Wii will have an online multiplayer mode, and hopefully SSB will also.

[Agilus]

Other than metroid though, does anyone know what or if any other games are expected to feature and online mode ?

I'm assuming Mario Kart Wii will have an online multiplayer mode, and hopefully SSB will also.

Animal Crossing probably will. I haven't really researched it. :)

[e²Studios]

Wow, anyhow its reported on more than one source. Its the president of a LARGE development company, its not FUD. However I don't expect the Nintendo fans to readily accept *gasp* flaws in any Nintendo delivery.

Jimmi and every other Nintendo FB here, had Sony or MS announced this you would have jumped on it faster than a fly to a cow patty, however now that its the Wii's issue you discount it as FUD or as "old", come on man, at least admit the faults of the system.

I OWN a Wii, i have no reason to want to see it collapse or fail, i have a monetary interest in the success of the console. Think about that next time you try to attack me without sources.

I provided sources, its not FUD. Nintendo is killing themselves by not allowing 3rd party developers to use the online functionality, live with it. I would bet that most 3rd party developers will never make any now, this is how Nintendo pissed off 3rd party manufacturers in the first place, they denied them resources or held them to more expensive ones (carts).

I have a feeling WiiConnect will be about as useful as my GCN ethernet adapter... At least they have a few good VC games. Clearly this is a huge loss for Nintendo, whether the people that defend Nintendo accept it or not.

And for kicks, i have a Wii, 4 controllers, 4 nunchucks, 2 classic controllers, component cables, and 8 games (not including Wii sports). I am well vested in to the Wii as a console. I also have a PS3 2 controllers, and 7 games for it.

Ed

[Agilus]

Jimmi and every other Nintendo FB here, had Sony or MS announced this you would have jumped on it faster than a fly to a cow patty, however now that its the Wii's issue you discount it as FUD or as "old", come on man, at least admit the faults of the system.


That's clearly wrong. Go ahead and search my post history. Not once have I done what you've said, and I'm a self-proclaimed fanboy. I may have said once or twice that a price was too high, but that's it.

And sure, Nintendo makes mistakes. Every console maker makes mistakes. It's one thing to point out mistakes, and another to spread false information and predict doom and gloom.


I OWN a Wii, i have no reason to want to see it collapse or fail, i have a monetary interest in the success of the console. Think about that next time you try to attack me without sources.


As I've said before, this doesn't mean anything. You can own a console, or say you own a console, and still be a hater.


I provided sources, its not FUD.


Your sources are FUD, and your thread headline is demonstrably false.

[darkwing]

Your sources are FUD, and your thread headline is demonstrably false.

I like how you can say the thread is false and the sources are FUD right after you say you haven't bothered to look into it. :rolleyes:

Nobody who posted something saying it was proven false has given any sources. At least Ed provided sources. I don't care if it's true or not, but let's at least keep it fair, as you suggest.

[zero2dash]

Wow, anyhow its reported on more than one source. Its the president of a LARGE development company, its not FUD. However I don't expect the Nintendo fans to readily accept *gasp* flaws in any Nintendo delivery.

SNK has published 1 Wii game (Metal Slug Anthology) which does not include online play and was not developed with online play in mind, nor has the Wii online network been launched or demonstrated otherwise.

If you or anyone else puts more than a grain of salt into any comments said by someone under these circumstances, then I've got a bridge for sale at low low prices. :p


Jimmi and every other Nintendo FB here, had Sony or MS announced this you would have jumped on it faster than a fly to a cow patty, however now that its the Wii's issue you discount it as FUD or as "old", come on man, at least admit the faults of the system.

No Wii online play network has been launched. Almost nothing is known about the network yet or the plans for it. For someone who constantly defends the Ps3 by mentioning "we'll see how it is later this year", you don't follow your own advice about anything else though, do you Ed? :rolleyes:

[darkwing]

No Wii online play network has been launched. Almost nothing is known about the network yet or the plans for it. For someone who constantly defends the Ps3 by mentioning "we'll see how it is later this year", you don't follow your own advice about anything else though, do you Ed? :rolleyes:

Ed's "we'll see how the ps3 does later this year" argument typically involves sales numbers, I think. This thread is about functionality. In actuality, the Wii delivers less functionality than the ps3 or 360.

[TheGimp]

Well, to be fair, you're splitting hairs, and misrepresenting what I said. To be perfectly clear, I said stop spreading the crap.

You and others are being awfully thin-skinned about this news, even if it is just a rumor at this point. After all, this website does have RUMORS in its name. So stop spreading your own gloom over crap being spread, or at least spread it better.


Macrumors -> spread different and crap better.

[saunders45]

Ok, seriously, both sides here are using a "Chewbacca defense" to prove their point. Kinda retarded.

[zero2dash]

Ed's "we'll see how the ps3 does later this year" argument typically involves sales numbers, I think. This thread is about functionality.

No, this thread is about "Nintendo killing their chances" and the fact that Ed apparently thinks the system is already doomed because someone from a 3rd party (who is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of supporting the Wii) said something about a lack of online support from Nintendo.

I could really care less either way because I didn't buy a Wii for online play; that's what my 360 is for. :D

[Phobophobia]

Nintendo has always been conservative
They're considered a high-risk company, actually...

[mkaake]

Ok, seriously, both sides here are using a "Chewbacca defense" to prove their point. Kinda retarded.

Can I just say that I've heard people say that a few times in the last few days, having no clue what it meant... so I wikipedia'd it.

Hillarious. Absolutely hillarious.

*sigh*

Anyway, that gave me a nice break from the tone of the game forum as of late. It's been pretty tense in here the last few days. Might be time for everyone to take a step back and cool down.

Remember when we played games to have fun?

[Agilus]

You and others are being awfully thin-skinned about this news, even if it is just a rumor at this point. After all, this website does have RUMORS in its name. So stop spreading your own gloom over crap being spread, or at least spread it better.


Macrumors -> spread different and crap better.

I guess I just prefer to refute baseless rumors as opposed to spreading baseless rumors. I'm not into the lying business. What's thin skinned about that? I think it's good when others do it non-Wii threads as well.

I think zero2dash has it pretty well covered about why this rumor is baseless. It's just some random PR guy spouting off.

What makes it FUD isn't that you can prove it false. It's that you can't prove it true. What this guy says has no more weight than a guy off the street.

[e²Studios]

I guess I just prefer to refute baseless rumors as opposed to spreading baseless rumors. I'm not into the lying business. What's thin skinned about that? I think it's good when others do it non-Wii threads as well.

I think zero2dash has it pretty well covered about why this rumor is baseless. It's just some random PR guy spouting off.

What makes it FUD isn't that you can prove it false. It's that you can't prove it true. What this guy says has no more weight than a guy off the street.

Its the PRESIDENT of SNK, not some random PR guy. I would think that the President of a major developer would have a lot more information than you, I or anyone else out there "on the streeet". This came from Nintendo to the development company and he said it in an interview. Next thing you know people here will be saying it may only applies to SNK :rolleyes: He has no reason to lie, in fact he stands to lose more by misquoting Nintendo information than gain. The source is credible, and his source is Nintendo.

Your posts are plain ignorant, if the rumor is baseless then prove it wrong otherwise your arguments are moot. I suppose you've already done a google search and found nothing credible to counter this, there is a reason for that you know.

Ed

[Sky Blue]

Well to be fair, Ed never said there'd be no online functionality for the Wii. He just posted a source that said there wouldn't be this year.

"Nintendo Says No Online Games In 2007"

is a little different to

"SNK Rep says No Third Party Online games In 2007?"

I can believe there's no online third party games this year, but there will be first party.

[e²Studios]

"Nintendo Says No Online Games In 2007"

is a little different to

"SNK Rep says No Third Party Online games In 2007?"

Nintendo said it, SNK relayed it in an interview. I don't like the fact that the fanboys in here reported my title and had a mod change it. Nintendo did say this, it just happens to be that the President of SNK leaked it in an interview.

Ed

[Sky Blue]

"Playstation 3 complete failure in market"

...it must be true, a GameStop manager told me...

[e²Studios]

"Playstation 3 complete failure in market"

...it must be true, a GameStop manager told me...

If Sony said that and a major development studio President relayed it in an interview, i would tend to believe it.

Your analogy is flawed, are you saying a gamestop manager has more pull and information than the president of a large development company? Get real. Nintendo said this, yes NINTENDO. SNK just relayed it in a interview to CYA on why they werent doing online on the Wii, or at least thats how the interviews sounds.

Ed

[Sky Blue]

Nintendo said this, yes NINTENDO.

"..... and probably will continue this restriction throughout 2007."

"...... it doesn't look like they will during 2007."

Concrete evidence from the mouth of Iwata!

I wouldn't surprise me at all if there's no third party online games this year, but the way you're trying to spin it that Nintendo are ignoring online play is a bit misleading.

[e²Studios]

"..... and probably will continue this restriction throughout 2007."

"...... it doesn't look like they will during 2007."

Concrete evidence from the mouth of Iwata!

I wouldn't surprise me at all if there's no third party online games this year, but the way you're trying to spin it that Nintendo are ignoring online play is a bit misleading.

I'm saying that they are shooting themselves in the foot by not allowing it. They are doing what they did to lose 3rd party support in the last couple of generations. They are denying resources, also Square has come out against the Wii code system, developers don't like it.

Will this kill the Wii? No way. Will this affect sales and 3rd party support in the long run? You bet your Ass it will. This Mixed with the other Wii flaws that the fan base here readily ignores/avoids talking about could be the reason why the Wii ends up in 3rd place with a lack of 3rd party support again. But they always have EA and Ubi... :rolleyes:

Ed

[Sky Blue]

Who cares about third party online games when they're all ****** PS2 ports anyway? :p

[Agilus]

Nintendo said it, SNK relayed it in an interview. I don't like the fact that the fanboys in here reported my title and had a mod change it. Nintendo did say this, it just happens to be that the President of SNK leaked it in an interview.


You got reported, and a mod changed it? Wow. I saw the title change and just thought you changed it yourself.

[edited - removed portion of last sentence that didn't need to be there.]

[Agilus]

Its the PRESIDENT of SNK, not some random PR guy. I would think that the President of a major developer would have a lot more information than you, I or anyone else out there "on the streeet". This came from Nintendo to the development company and he said it in an interview. Next thing you know people here will be saying it may only applies to SNK :rolleyes: He has no reason to lie, in fact he stands to lose more by misquoting Nintendo information than gain. The source is credible, and his source is Nintendo.

Your posts are plain ignorant, if the rumor is baseless then prove it wrong otherwise your arguments are moot. I suppose you've already done a google search and found nothing credible to counter this, there is a reason for that you know.


I haven't bothered with a search. I'm not -that- dedicated, and I guess I don't care -that- much. All I'm saying is this info is second hand, and therefore not reliable. It sounds like a CYA move by this guy, and that's it.

It comes down to whether you choose to believe him or not, especially when he makes predictions about 2007. This is the part I had the most problem with. He can go ahead and say what he wants about -now-, but how does he know what's going to happen in the rest of 2007 with regards to the Wii and dev kits? He doesn't. Nobody knows for sure, except maybe Nintendo.

If more devs came out and said this, I'd be more apt to believe it.

But just him? I'll wait before making a judgment. It strikes me that you -want- to believe. I admit that I personally do not want to believe it. :)

[zero2dash]

They are doing what they did to lose 3rd party support in the last couple of generations.

Yes, because the lack of online support in prior Nintendo consoles caused 3rd party developers to leave.

/sarcasm

The fact that Nintendo systems have been in less households over the last few generations is why they've lost third party support. Nintendo home consoles have had rough market share during the last two generations.

Initially, it was because of their refusal to abandon the expensive cartridge-based format where memory is at a premium price. If Nintendo had a cd-based system 15 years ago, you can bet your ass that Square would've never released a Final Fantasy title on anything but a Nintendo system (and history up until that point proves it).

Lack of online has nothing to do with lack of 3rd party support now or never. The Dreamcast had online play and that didn't keep developers like EA from failing to support that system, did it? :rolleyes:

[Dagless]

Initially, it was because of their refusal to abandon the expensive cartridge-based format where memory is at a premium price. If Nintendo had a cd-based system 15 years ago, you can bet your ass that Square would've never released a Final Fantasy title on anything but a Nintendo system (and history up until that point proves it).

I totally agree, but isn't it funny how Dragon Quest will not be on the PS2/3, but on the DS?

[zap2]

http://www.destructoid.com/wii-developers-are-finally-receiving-online-dev-kits-29755.phtml



Nintendo of America's CEO disagrees....I'll go with Reggie...

[zap2]

. Nintendo home consoles have finished dead last for the last two generations........
The Dreamcast......



Come on! Your clearly know the Dreamcast existed....and yet your saying Nintendo's last two console finished in dead last....FUD!!!(Finally using the phrase)


PS2, Xbox , GameCube, Dreamcast
PS1, N64, Saturn,3DO,Atari Jaguar


They came in 2nd in the 5th gen, and 3rd in the 6th gen race....only by a few million consoles.

[sb58]

Come on! Your clearly know the Dreamcast existed....and yet your saying Nintendo's last two console finished in dead last....FUD!!!(Finally using the phrase)

Not many people remember the Dreamcast (most people on MR would but that's just the group this forum attracts.) and the Dreamcast definately finished dead last. games for Xbox, PS2, and the Gamecube stopped being made only recently. when did the Dreamcast games stop? i can't even remember.

[zap2]

Not many people remember the Dreamcast (most people on MR would but that's just the group this forum attracts.) and the Dreamcast definately finished dead last. games for Xbox, PS2, and the Gamecube stopped being made only recently. when did the Dreamcast games stop? i can't even remember.

They haven't...atleast not in Japan, there have been games in 2007, the only reason I think they are stoping is because Sega is stop production of the disk the dreamcast used...not to mention PS2 and Gamecube games are being made(I think NGC might not have anymore, but I know the PS2 does have more)




AlsoIn an odd turn of events, it's being reported by Cubed3 that Sega Sammy's Jissen Pachinko/Pachislot Hisshouhou! Sammy's Collection Hokuto no Ken Wii is going to be using both the Wi-Fi and Mii capabilities of Wii. Take a look at the screen to the right, and you can see clearly a Mii in usage within the game's menus.

http://www.vgcharts.org/news/news.php?id=151

Wi-Fi and Miis in a 3rd party game...someone was wrong it seems

[sb58]

They haven't...atleast not in Japan, there have been games in 2007, the only reason I think they are stoping is because Sega is stop production of the disk the dreamcast used...not to mention PS2 and Gamecube games are being made(I think NGC might not have anymore, but I know the PS2 does have more)
i'm talking about here in the US. i don't know everything that goes on in Japan. and Japan is a completely different place from the US, so we can't make statements that apply worldwide.

[plinkoman]

"Of course, there has to be bad news, and it's kind of big: Herman says that Nintendo is not letting publishers add online functionality to games, VC or retail, and probably will continue this restriction throughout 2007."

the fact that they don't allow it now shouldn't be news to anyone, as for the rest of the year, that appears to be only speculation from the SNK President (hence him saying "Probably"). Is this speculation based on any information we as the public don't have, and will it actually turn out to be true are perfectly good questions to which we do not currently have the answers.

as a wii user, I certainly hope this is not the case, but only time will tell. so how about everyone here calm down about it. there are more important things to worry about in life than if someone on some online forums likes the same video game console as you do.

[Dagless]

What's funny though is no online play is going to make the story in Metroid any better, or the chaos in Smash Bros more... chaotic. Certainly hasn't stopped 5 million Wii owners so far :D

I'd like the Wii to be online. But what the hell, it's as fun as balloons without it. or HD for that matter.

[Agilus]

it's as fun as balloons

lol - There's an expression I haven't heard. A British saying, I take it?

[Antares]

Ok, seriously, both sides here are using a "Chewbacca defense" to prove their point. Kinda retarded.

I know this is off-topic, but could someone please explain to me what that means? I've seen the term, "Chewbacca defense," used a few times on the MR boards before. I don't get the analogy/reference. :confused:

And to be on-topic...unless it comes officially from Nintendo's mouth, all this is just speculation. Kind of like if Adobe says that Apple will probably not introduce Macs with Blu-Ray drives in 2007.

[zap2]

i'm talking about here in the US. i don't know everything that goes on in Japan. and Japan is a completely different place from the US, so we can't make statements that apply worldwide.

Yes we can...are console number are worldwide. And if games are still coming out in Japan, your can have them shipped to the USA(assuming you have a console that can play them)

Even ignoring that, the Dreamcast is still at 7th generation console, which means its NGC didn't sell the least number of units

[zap2]

I know this is off-topic, but could someone please explain to me what that means? I've seen the term, "Chewbacca defense," used a few times on the MR boards before. I don't get the analogy/reference. :confused:

And to be on-topic...unless it comes officially from Nintendo's mouth, all this is just speculation. Kind of like if Adobe says that Apple will probably not introduce Macs with Blu-Ray drives in 2007.

"Chewbacca Defense", meaning a defense consisting solely of nonsensical arguments meant to confuse a jury, has since been occasionally applied outside of references to South Park.

Wikipedia was my source..click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense for more

[Dagless]

lol - There's an expression I haven't heard. A British saying, I take it?

No I just made it up! I wanted to say as "fun as hell", but who's to say hell is fun? I was listening to 99 Red Balloons :)

[zap2]

And for the final blow to this untruthfully post(I don't think Ed knew otherwise, it was possible to have heard from NoA that there were 3rd party dev working on online games but certainly not something everyone should know)


http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/03/07/activision-yes-were-making-online-enabled-games-for-wii/


During an interview with IGN that mainly focused on the company's recent acquisition of Demonware, a third-party source for networking solutions, Activision confirmed its plans to bring online functionality to Wii games. What they implied during said interview, however, was that they would be the first third-party publisher to flip the online switch in its games.

What exactly was said to imply as such, you ask? Well, Duke Collins responds to the question of online play in Wii games, stating "If you look at our track record, we've always been pretty much the first network guys on any platform coming out," backing up that implication when asked directly if they would be developing online-enabled games for the system by saying "Yeah, I would say we do." Can you say rock?

[pcypert]

I always considered Dreamcast in the same line as the 64 as I got mine imported from Japan quite a bit earlier than they came out here in the states....or I should clarify my roommate did (I bought mine three years later in a bargin bin with 20 games or so for 50 bucks :) ).

I would actually consider it smart to limit online dev right now to first party stuff. Really get a good system hammered out and then allow it. I think they should bring out a showcase like Metroid and then add in some online party games stat. If they miss this year without some quality online part games I think they'll be missing something...but otherwise will be more than fine.

Paul

[darkwing]

And for the final blow to this untruthfully post(I don't think Ed knew otherwise, it was possible to have heard from NoA that there were 3rd party dev working on online games but certainly not something everyone should know)


http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/03/07/activision-yes-were-making-online-enabled-games-for-wii/

Do you ever read the articles you post, zap2? This article is about using Middleware for online game development, and that isn't specific to the Wii. The only game he outright mentions (as opposed to mentioning franchises) is Enemy Territory which according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Territory:_Quake_Wars is coming for PC, 360, and PS3.

Nothing in the article you posted suggests that there is anything coming out in 2007 for the Wii that's online, and this thread is about there not being anything until 2008. Yes some Japanese only game which comes out in May will have some online rankings. I'm glad Nintendo's Wi-Fi unit can handle the 2 k/sec needed for that. Too bad the DS can't handle WPA.

[Sky Blue]

The first online Wii game, Pokemon, is out June 25, 2007.

[darkwing]

The first online Wii game, Pokemon, is out June 25, 2007.

I'm sorry let me clarify, because you've obviously forgotten already. This thread is about third-party online games not coming out until 2008.

[Sky Blue]

I'm sorry let me clarify, because you've obviously forgotten already. This thread is about third-party online games not coming out until 2008.

Really? So the original thread title wasn't "No online games in 2007"?
I must've imagined it...

[JackAxe]

I'm sorry let me clarify, because you've obviously forgotten already. This thread is about third-party online games not coming out until 2008.

Lucky you for missing his original title. He must have changed it out of the goodness of his Wii loving heart. :)

<]=)

[darkwing]

JackAxe/SkyBlue, I appreciate the (lack of) intelligence your posts bring to the forum, however this thread (no matter what the original title was) is about an article that clearly states it's referring to 3rd party online support. Don't believe me? Read the first post.

[zero2dash]

Come on! Your clearly know the Dreamcast existed....and yet your saying Nintendo's last two console finished in dead last....FUD!!!(Finally using the phrase)


PS2, Xbox , GameCube, Dreamcast
PS1, N64, Saturn,3DO,Atari Jaguar


They came in 2nd in the 5th gen, and 3rd in the 6th gen race....only by a few million consoles.

Sorry man, I didn't really place the Dreamcast in the same timeline as the Xbox and Gamecube but I guess technically it was. :o

And even though I owned one for 8 years, for some reason I didn't put the Saturn behind the N64 like it was (and the 3DO and Jaguar...bleh...even mentioning those makes me queasy).

My bad...I'm not a FUD spreader I swear ;)

[zap2]

Do you ever read the articles you post, zap2? This article is about using Middleware for online game development, and that isn't specific to the Wii..

Point? If a online Wii games, who cares?

[JackAxe]

JackAxe/SkyBlue, I appreciate the (lack of) intelligence your posts bring to the forum, however this thread (no matter what the original title was) is about an article that clearly states it's referring to 3rd party online support. Don't believe me? Read the first post.

Put on a happy face, or do you lack facial muscles? :)

Errr, read the first post. Why? I always start with the second post.

No matter how you play your cards, the simple fact of the matter is that Ed intentionally lied with his original title. Before you can read the first post, you have to click on the thread's title. Now why would he label it in such a way? Ge, I wonder...

Maybe I should post a thread about EA's comments refering to Sony's future, but title it with "Developers have absolutely no faith in Sony." I'm sure a die-hard Sony devote such as yourself would be OK with that kind of FUD.

<]=)

[darkwing]

Put on a happy face, or do you lack facial muscles? :)

Errr, read the first post. Why? I always start with the second post.

No matter how you play your cards, the simple fact of the matter is that Ed intentionally lied with his original title. Before you can read the first post, you have to click on the thread's title. Now why would he label it in such a way? Ge, I wonder...

Maybe I should post a thread about EA's comments refering to Sony's future, but title it with "Developers have absolutely no faith in Sony." I'm sure a die-hard Sony devote such as yourself would be OK with that kind of FUD.

<]=)

I've never even used the term "FUD." If someone at EA feels that way, that's fine! This is why I love the free market. We all put our money where our mouth is (in this case investing in systems and hoping development continues for them) and choose who we like and go with it. If you feel the PS3 sucks or will die in a year that's great, and I can disagree. Do you actually think I take anything on this board personally? It's all for a laugh.

I don't know what the original title is, honestly.

[e²Studios]

I've never even used the term "FUD." If someone at EA feels that way, that's fine! This is why I love the free market. We all put our money where our mouth is (in this case investing in systems and hoping development continues for them) and choose who we like and go with it. If you feel the PS3 sucks or will die in a year that's great, and I can disagree. Do you actually think I take anything on this board personally? It's all for a laugh.

I don't know what the original title is, honestly.

Replace SNK with Nintendo in the title and that was the original. Honestly it wasn't a lie, Nintendo did say this, SNK was just the one's to say it in an interview. I highly doubt they [SNK] made this up about Nintendo telling them this information and then decided to spread it around, that spells lawsuit in the corporate world. Nintendo made this statement to developer(s), which is entirely different than the EA example given before in a previous post.

Ed

[TheGimp]

Replace SNK with Nintendo in the title and that was the original. Honestly it wasn't a lie, Nintendo did say this, SNK was just the one's to say it in an interview. I highly doubt they [SNK] made this up about Nintendo telling them this information and then decided to spread it around, that spells lawsuit in the corporate world. Nintendo made this statement to developer(s), which is entirely different than the EA example given before in a previous post.

Ed


Right on. I would only consider such a rumor 'baseless' if it were a concept just floating on the net or one propagated by a direct competitor or disgruntled former employee. The SNK PR guy probably wants to keep his job as much as does any other fratboy in a suit climbing the corporate ladder. This rumor clearly has a base - a developer base.

My guess is that Nintendo is withholding online play for a while in order to maintain its reputation as relatively pedo-safe in the minds of parents of young gamers. Provided that Nintendo periodically releases killer-apps along with the usual smattering of A-list rentals, most children won't complain if their parents disable, for example, online photo sharing and chat, however the issue would become a major bone of contention in most households were Nintendo to release squad-based games as well as other multiplayer games heavily augmented by voice chat. "...but Ma-ah, this game wouldn't cost $50 without online multiplayer, so logically you need to let me hook up. My posse is going to get pwned unless you key in the code to turn that ***** back on." Something like that. Better pwned than bwned I guess.

[plinkoman]

Replace SNK with Nintendo in the title and that was the original. Honestly it wasn't a lie, Nintendo did say this, SNK was just the one's to say it in an interview. I highly doubt they [SNK] made this up about Nintendo telling them this information and then decided to spread it around, that spells lawsuit in the corporate world. Nintendo made this statement to developer(s), which is entirely different than the EA example given before in a previous post.

Ed

could you please do me a big favor and re-read the interview; specifically the placement of the word "probably" in the presidents statement?

...and probably will continue this restriction...

i.e: nintendo did not say this. there is a restriction now, and he is speculating that it will continue throughout the year. reading anymore into that statement would only be speculation on our part.

please reply to this post so I at least know you read it.

[atszyman]

Replace SNK with Nintendo in the title and that was the original.

Not quite. From my browser's history:

Wii: Nintendo Says No Online Games in 2007

Nothing about it being relayed from SNK's exec or about 3rd parties. Can you at least admit that this title was misleading, and at least somewhat in error? Maybe not intentionally so but misleading nonetheless.

[JackAxe]

I've never even used the term "FUD." If someone at EA feels that way, that's fine! This is why I love the free market. We all put our money where our mouth is (in this case investing in systems and hoping development continues for them) and choose who we like and go with it. If you feel the PS3 sucks or will die in a year that's great, and I can disagree. Do you actually think I take anything on this board personally? It's all for a laugh.

I don't know what the original title is, honestly.

No, but "I" did, because a title like I mentioned would be pure FUD. If I were to post a thread like that, I would of course be asking for all of the Sony peep's attention.

And no on the personal thing. Trust me, if that were the case, I would be little bit more sensitive on my posts, ;) and if I were taking it personally, which would require a lack of sleep, a really bad day, or no coffee. Well, those moments can be embarrassing. :o

Anyway, I have no quarrels. I agree, it's all for a laugh and cuts through the boredom. If you look at my first post in this thread, I wasn't offended, I was just surprised by Ed's lack of tact when it came to his choice of title. Apparently it didn't sit right with others.

And you've most likely already seen atszyman's image of the original title. :)

<]=)

[Sky Blue]

"MySims Online?

Heyaa. I was in EB the other day picking up SSX for Wii & 2k7 for 360 and I noticed they had the MySims display box up. The interesting part to this little story is on the front there was the Wi-Fi network symbol and on the back described how you can go online with your sims and interact etc. Can you guy confirm this? Thanks!

I recently interviewed EA about the game - I'll post the transcript soon - and the developer wouldn't come right out and say it, but made very clear to me that it is exploring an online component for MySims. The signage you saw only strengthens my belief that the game will have it. Oh, and on a side note, I've chatted with some third parties now who already have online components in their forthcoming Wii projects. It's coming, guys - Pokemon Battle Revolution kicks it off in the near future, but in the next six months you're going to start seeing a wave of third party games that take Wii online, too. Developers have had the online SDK for months now and the next wave of titles will incorporate it.

-- Matt "

http://wii.ign.com/articles/772/772881p1.html

Nothing solid, but...


There's also limited online and Mii Usage with a Sega JAP Wii game coming out in May:
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/03/08/fist-of-the-north-star-pachinko-uses-miis/