OMG!!! 26 Mbit DSL is here!

[GulGnu]

A company here in Stockholm just launched a 26Mbit DSL service to all people in central Stockolm for about 50$ (398 kr) a month! 26 Mbit!!! <faints>

That's www.bostream.se btw =P (If you can read swedish) Let's hope this thing spreads fast in all countries - can you imagine what the internet will be like? Oh, and when real VDSL makes it's breakthrough, that will be really, really sweet... iTunes videostore anyone?

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

[edesignuk]

Damn, iWant! I pay £50 for 2Mit here in the UK, 26Mbit for $50, WOW!

[Tiauguinho]

Man... I want something like that here!

[DavPeanut]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Damn, iWant! I pay £50 for 2Mit here in the UK, 26Mbit for $50, WOW!
My family pays $40 for a max of 1.5Mbps down, and we don't always even get that. Lucky people.

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Damn, iWant! I pay £50 for 2Mit here in the UK, 26Mbit for $50, WOW! Then again they pay £5 for a beer. Swings and roundabouts really;)

[donigian]

GulGnu, have you actually used the service for any period of time yet. Can you give a review of it or something? I'm interested in how much of an improvement that much bandwidth would give you. I know there becomes a point where the data can't be fed to you fast enough, I've reached it with my 1.5 Mb Cable Modem, I'm just wondering what your actual experience is.

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by donigian
GulGnu, have you actually used the service for any period of time yet. Can you give a review of it or something? I'm interested in how much of an improvement that much bandwidth would give you. I know there becomes a point where the data can't be fed to you fast enough, I've reached it with my 1.5 Mb Cable Modem, I'm just wondering what your actual experience is.

I haven't used it as it was launched today! =P Plus, I already have a 10Mbit connection where I live for about 25$ / month, so I'm not *that* inclined to switch =P

The thing about "not having data fed to you fast enough" sounds strange - data transfer is pretty straightforward: 5Mbit: The file takes 1 min to download, 10Mbit - it takes 30 secs, etc. I Know my 10mbit connection maxes out at about 1,4 megabytes (observe, bytes = about, well 10 Mbits =P) worth of simultaneous downloads. What do you mean by "not having data..." etc? I think you have to be a bit more explicit here =)

Of course, for web surfing it doesn't matter much.

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

[donigian]

GulGnu, what I'm saying is that some sites that I'm accessing or downloading from cannot send the information as fast as possible. Sometimes I'll be waiting for a single image to appear on a website due to the site being slow.

And yes, it's granted that it could simply be that my computer might not be displaying the image or it might be tied up processing, but I was simply interested in how much of an actual, noticeable improvement there could be with that much bandwidth at the receiving end. I just don't think that sites can feed it to you that quickly.

[hvfsl]

20Mbit is fast enough to stream HD TV over the net (Mpeg 2/4 compessed of cource). The S Korean gov is trying to make 20Mbit cable avaliable to its citizens so the connection can be used to watch TV on. Too bad there is nothing that will really take advantage of that speed now. As Sweden would not be able to support that many people on that speed of conection since the internet link between some european countries is only a few hundred Gigabits.

[zarathustra]

I went to the swedish site and I don't get why the 2.5 Mbit service cost 449 Kr and the 26 Mbit costs 398 Kr?? :confused:

Granted I don't read swedish and there could be some fine print....

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by donigian
GulGnu, what I'm saying is that some sites that I'm accessing or downloading from cannot send the information as fast as possible. Sometimes I'll be waiting for a single image to appear on a website due to the site being slow.

And yes, it's granted that it could simply be that my computer might not be displaying the image or it might be tied up processing, but I was simply interested in how much of an actual, noticeable improvement there could be with that much bandwidth at the receiving end. I just don't think that sites can feed it to you that quickly.

Hehe, if you only use the internet for surfing, you don't have much use for 26 Mbit. Downloading stuff on the other hand... MAJOR improvement. Or streaming media, for that matter. You can create lots of entirely new web and internet applications with that kind of speed.

Regards / GulGnu

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by zarathustra
I went to the swedish site and I don't get why the 2.5 Mbit service cost 449 Kr and the 26 Mbit costs 398 Kr?? :confused:

Granted I don't read swedish and there could be some fine print....

Well, there is some fine print: The 26 Mbit service is only available in central Stockholm - they will be expanding it during the summer though.

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

[5300cs]

Japan has fiberoptic 100Mbit service already. Straight to your house, supposedly no reduction of line speed with distance. It works out to $50 a month I think.

I'm getting 12Mbit put in next week, $35 a month. This country is all wired. :cool:

[zarathustra]

I love the US of A, but when it comes to cell phones, DSL and other advanced tech products, we always seem a few months if not years behind...

I got 1.5 mbit DSL for $30 - which is not bad, but it isnt 100 mbit for $50! Not fair! :( :( :( :p

[legacyb4]

Yup, and FTTH is becoming positively commonplace these days if you live in the city centers though there are still issues of whether your building is wired for fiber or not.

I'm planning on doing the 8Mbit to 12Mbit with Yahoo BB in a few weeks just so I can get the new router/VOIP unit they are offering...

Cheers.

Originally posted by 5300cs
Japan has fiberoptic 100Mbit service already. Straight to your house, supposedly no reduction of line speed with distance. It works out to $50 a month I think.

I'm getting 12Mbit put in next week, $35 a month. This country is all wired. :cool:

[iShater]

Originally posted by zarathustra
I love the US of A, but when it comes to cell phones, DSL and other advanced tech products, we always seem a few months if not years behind...

I got 1.5 mbit DSL for $30 - which is not bad, but it isnt 100 mbit for $50! Not fair! :( :( :( :p

Quit yer whinin! I've got squat! I can't get broadband if I gave a kidney for it, stupid SBC/Ameritech screwed me over for the last 5 years!!

"We will be rolling it out in your area in the next few months." ... that was 5 years ago! I moved like 3 or 4 times, and every place, either their COs didn't have the equipment, or (like my current situation) their network link to my neighborhood can't handle dsl! :mad:

[5300cs]

I feel your pain; I was in the same situation for 5 years as well. Every place I lived in the U.S. AND in Japan were in some sort of broadband Bermuda Triangle.
I was also lied to by NTT (the phone monopoly over here) who told me my area wasn't covered. Yahoo!BB changed all that.
How about cable?

[iShater]

Originally posted by 5300cs
I feel your pain; I was in the same situation for 5 years as well. Every place I lived in the U.S. AND in Japan were in some sort of broadband Bermuda Triangle.
I was also lied to by NTT (the phone monopoly over here) who told me my area wasn't covered. Yahoo!BB changed all that.
How about cable?

Comcast is slowly moving to the area, they gave me a rough date of August of when they will have the infrastructure ready. Add a couple of months to that, and we are looking at fairly long wait.

My stupid phone line is only getting me 28.8 tops as well :mad:

[Wano]

GulGnu,
Vad nanstans is sthlm bor du?

anyways, right now i am in america, hints the fact that i am missing the three letters so it's really annoying typing in swedish. i come home in about 3 weeks, i live in norrviken i sollentuna. it's cool to know there i another swede here:D

har det sa bra!
Mariano

[vniow]

Originally posted by iShater
My stupid phone line is only getting me 28.8 tops as well :mad:

I've got you beat, 26.4k baby, w00t!

[donigian]

Originally posted by vniow
I've got you beat, 26.4k baby, w00t!

Sad thing is you sound like you're proud, even though I know you can't be.

Why is it exactly that high-speed Internet and new tech and cool stuff like that doesn't enter the U.S. for a long *** time? It just ain't fair.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by donigian
Sad thing is you sound like you're proud, even though I know you can't be.

Why is it exactly that high-speed Internet and new tech and cool stuff like that doesn't enter the U.S. for a long *** time? It just ain't fair.

Two words. Population density. We don't have it. Therefore the price to install per person reached is astronomical. I would imagine Austrailia has the same problem we have except even more so.

[Rower_CPU]

Now that's a reason for Airport Extreme in your house! :eek: :D

[iShater]

Originally posted by vniow
I've got you beat, 26.4k baby, w00t!

Ok, so I lied, on my PCs I get 28.8 supposedly, my iBook ALWAYS reports 26.4 :p

I decided to get a t-mobile account for hotspots at Starbucks, I figured if I have to download updated and big files, I wouldn't mind doing it with a cup of coffee... mmmmmm.... Caramel Machiato!:D

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by Wano
GulGnu,
Vad nanstans is sthlm bor du?

anyways, right now i am in america, hints the fact that i am missing the three letters so it's really annoying typing in swedish. i come home in about 3 weeks, i live in norrviken i sollentuna. it's cool to know there i another swede here:D

har det sa bra!
Mariano

Jag bor på Lappis i Frescati - och i Norrviken i Sollentuna =P

/GulGnu

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
Then again they pay £5 for a beer. Swings and roundabouts really;)

good point!

I pay £35 for 1mbit/s downstream and 256kbit/s upstream - is that 26mbit/s BOTH WAYS?!?

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by mrjamin
good point!

I pay £35 for 1mbit/s downstream and 256kbit/s upstream - is that 26mbit/s BOTH WAYS?!?

Yes, it's 26Mbit both ways.

Regards / GulGnu

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by GulGnu
Yes, it's 26Mbit both ways.

Regards / GulGnu

chuuuuuuuff. You could host a low traffic server on a connection like that! Is there a bandwidth limitation? i'm restricted to 10gb a month each way apparently. Having said that, i've blatantly used more than that since i got my 1mb line

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mrjamin
chuuuuuuuff. You could host a low traffic server on a connection like that! Is there a bandwidth limitation? i'm restricted to 10gb a month each way apparently. Having said that, i've blatantly used more than that since i got my 1mb line

With 26Mbit you could be your own ISP hosting at least 26 people with a limitation of 1.5Mbit. Since not all 26 people would probably ever be on at the same time and using all their bandwidth.

I pay $56 a month for a cable modem that gets about 2Mbit down and 256Kb/s up. just think 26x $50= $1300 a month.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by mrjamin
chuuuuuuuff. You could host a low traffic server on a connection like that! Is there a bandwidth limitation? i'm restricted to 10gb a month each way apparently. Having said that, i've blatantly used more than that since i got my 1mb line

Yeah, I've got a 10 gig limit too, fortunately I've only exceeded it once. It's quite expensive here - £20 a month for 128 kb/s both ways with the 10 gig limit. Exceed the 10 gigs and it's £0.07 per meg. Or pay another £10 for another 10 gigs.

I just discovered that converting NZ$ to £ is easier than NZ$ to US$ :)

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by mrjamin
chuuuuuuuff. You could host a low traffic server on a connection like that! Is there a bandwidth limitation? i'm restricted to 10gb a month each way apparently. Having said that, i've blatantly used more than that since i got my 1mb line

There is one thing to keep in mind though - in order to get 26 mbit both ways, you need to be reasonably close to a telephone switch / base station. As you get too far away from the base station, data transfer rate drops off, down to 8 mbit / sec both directions when you get more than a kilometer away from the base station.

Regards / GulGnu

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by GulGnu
There is one thing to keep in mind though - in order to get 26 mbit both ways, you need to be reasonably close to a telephone switch / base station. As you get too far away from the base station, data transfer rate drops off, down to 8 mbit / sec both directions when you get more than a kilometer away from the base station.

Regards / GulGnu

I'd still kill for 8Mbit. You don't know anyone who has it do you? I'm feelin a little homicidle. Nah, just kiddin. I do really really want it though. Especially since it's cheaper then what I have now.

[Porshuh944turbo]

Originally posted by zarathustra
I love the US of A, but when it comes to cell phones, DSL and other advanced tech products, we always seem a few months if not years behind...

I got 1.5 mbit DSL for $30 - which is not bad, but it isnt 100 mbit for $50! Not fair! :( :( :( :p

Thisi s because of marketting.. If we had this service in US.. all the business would sell thier T1 lines (1.5mb up and down) and buy these $50/mo lines... Since current leases on T1s are like $700/mo & up.. it makes sense for companies to not sell superfast lines for $50 a month...

[Porshuh944turbo]

Originally posted by iShater
Quit yer whinin! I've got squat! I can't get broadband if I gave a kidney for it, stupid SBC/Ameritech screwed me over for the last 5 years!!

"We will be rolling it out in your area in the next few months." ... that was 5 years ago! I moved like 3 or 4 times, and every place, either their COs didn't have the equipment, or (like my current situation) their network link to my neighborhood can't handle dsl! :mad:

This is because SBC is getting screwed by smaller companies being able to lease all lines from them at lower cost than it takes to maintain the lines! SBC is getting ripped off and not being able to make money on their own lines because of this... so they don't have the budget to build out to more neighborhoods (like yours) becuase if they do, then the other companies get first pick at how many lines they want to lease (for less than it costs to keep them working)

new legislations is being written to fix this... hopefully it will pass so more of us can get dsl and so the network will grow to our neighborhoods.

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by Nermal
Yeah, I've got a 10 gig limit too, fortunately I've only exceeded it once. It's quite expensive here - £20 a month for 128 kb/s both ways with the 10 gig limit. Exceed the 10 gigs and it's £0.07 per meg. Or pay another £10 for another 10 gigs.

I just discovered that converting NZ$ to £ is easier than NZ$ to US$ :)
The biggest cable supplier in the UK (NTL) charges £18 for 150K, £25 for 600K and £35 for 1Mb/s. They recently introduced capping at 1GB a day but say they won't get worried unless you exceed that more than 3 days in a 14 day period. Apparently though since they started capping they haven't disconnected anyone or increased anyones charges so quite why they suffered all the bad PR of introducing capping then doing nothing about it is a bit odd.

The more mathematical amongst you will note that 1GB is 2.5 hrs on a 1MB connection. I used to be on 1MB but downgraded to 600K. It wasn't worth the extra tenner with a cap.

[iShater]

Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
This is because SBC is getting screwed by smaller companies being able to lease all lines from them at lower cost than it takes to maintain the lines! SBC is getting ripped off and not being able to make money on their own lines because of this... so they don't have the budget to build out to more neighborhoods (like yours) becuase if they do, then the other companies get first pick at how many lines they want to lease (for less than it costs to keep them working)

new legislations is being written to fix this... hopefully it will pass so more of us can get dsl and so the network will grow to our neighborhoods.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Ameritech used Digital Loop Carriers for tons of new development to get phone lines to new houses cheaply, those cannot carry DSL, and that is why I am currently screwed. On price, SBC can beat the competition because of bundling with the phone line, and I still can't go with them.

I had iDSL for a while, and SBC/Ameritech screwed me over so bad that I even lost that.

It is true though, that maybe there are licensing issues, but from my experience, it is no excuse for SBC to be so frigging slow on purpose to stop the competition, they have to make the CO DSL capable, if they do they can compete with the smaller companies, but they are too slow.

[Porshuh944turbo]

I see your point... and you're right, they do use DLC and SLC5 systems to get out to more houses.. the eqpt for DSL (Litespan equipment) costs much more and is required at both the CO and the RT for it to work...

All I'm saying is that they would be doing this, just like they were when they announced DSL couple years back.. but since they HAVE to sell the lines to the competition for so cheap, they LOSE MONEY whenever they deploy new equipment... why would you do it if you were in charge?

I heard some numbers from a friend.. it cost like $26 to maintain a DSL line.. but they competitions can purchase it for $14. (this was on cnn too) so SBC loses $12 per line for everyone they put out there! (SBC is forced to sell them so cheap.. it's called UNE-P legislation... it sucks huge) There's just no incentive to expand anymore! Sucks I know!