India Rising?

[arn]

Per a Macsurfer (http://www.macsurfer.com) link... Apple Computer partners with TVA Help.com (http://www.hometrade.com/htmore.jsp?pgid=itech|topstory&pgval=2432426&relate=0&srcid=PTI):

City-based click and mortar company,*TVA Help.com Pvt Ltd,*which offers support services for mobile computing systems like notebooks and palmtops,*today announced its partnership with US$ 5.3 billion Apple Computer Inc to provide support services for their iBooks and PowerBooks in India.

Previous India stories: Corporate Apple? Hiring Indian Programmers (http://www.macrumors.com/viewstory.php3/sid/20020307163650/) and Upcoming Stores... (http://www.macrumors.com/viewstory.php3/sid/20020227064409/)

[Rower_CPU]

Great! Any new market for Apple is a positive thing. By making a strong push in India they can grab the interest of one of the largest programming markets in the world.
If they make a good showing with their hardware, and support it well, and give people jobs they are going to be very popular.

[MacAztec]

I think thats a great oppurtunity for both companies!

[freedom]

That is good news!
But what about Apple´s export license agreement(?)?
Doesn´t India have AND manufacture nuclear weapons?
:)
Whatever, I really hope India will embrace
Apple´s products and that their programmers
could help Apple bringing out even better products!

[Macmaniac]

I am glad to here that apple is doing this, it is nice to know that apple is working with the worlds largest democracy. 1 billion customers for us!

[rjgjonker]

Originally posted by freedom
That is good news!
But what about Apple´s export license agreement(?)?
Doesn´t India have AND manufacture nuclear weapons?


Doesn't the US, Apple's home market? ;)

[Kela]

Nice reply. Umm, 1 billion customers from which you can slash 90% cause the cant afford macs. About 60 million people could and they would since in India, the rich are RICH! So they all want status symbols and I dare say mac aint a status symbol.

-gimp out
:p :rolleyes: :confused: :eek: :cool:

[addiecool]

I am from India and I know that in the Last two years Apple has increased presence in India. Although being in the trade I know that most people here are dying to get a Mac but it is the pricing that kills it. Can You Imagine that we get a DP800 for US$ 4000 even today? The Igig DP is US$ 5100. Even if they could match international prices in Indian Rupees they can get a pretty good market here.

I myself am a great admirer of Apple machines and in the Last two years managed to get Powermac G4 400, Quicksilver 733 (Oc'd it to 867), iBook, Imac. It is one of the greatest and easiest machines to work with. I am a Microsoft Certified Engineer in the Field for last 6 years and know that there is nothing that can match the ease of a Mac. It is only that users here get to know about it.

Come On Apple, Get your marketing act together :)

[Kela]

Do they have electricity in India?

[addiecool]

What exactly do you mean by that :mad:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by Kela
Do they have electricity in India?

Originally posted by addiecool
What exactly do you mean by that :mad:

I think that's his attempt ruffle your feathers....

I wouldn't sweat it....I feel if he does that it must mean he likes u

he he he...

[sparkleytone]

they have electricity, just no toilets ;) holes in the ground.

[trinitishwar]

I must say that I prefer Indian style toilets, you have to squat but at least you're not swaping ass germs with the last person that used it.

[sparkleytone]

ass germs?

LOL

[Kela]

Im sory to offend you my Indian friend. However I cant stop thinking about the scam the Mahrastra State Electricy Board(MSEB) pulled on poor Enron by promising to buy $63 million worth of electricity back in 98 and defaulting at the end.

Secondly, I think my question is warranted...YOU PEOPLE NEED ELECTRICITY to run an I-mac don't you? An i mean UNINTERRUPTED electricity...not the crap that runs in New Delhi (6 hours gone, 1 hr there, 11 hours gone, 6 hours there).

Then there's the question of heat. I believe that the 42 degrees celcius and above temperatures might destroy the circuitry of the beautiful i-mac. Hence, you can only turn them on in the New Delhi winter (So I guess Apple's market there is clearly SEASONALLY BASED??)
:D :D :D

-sorry if this harsh

[Kela]

And don't give me the crap about the generators you have. They suck as well.

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Kela
Secondly, I think my question is warranted...YOU PEOPLE NEED ELECTRICITY to run an I-mac don't you? An i mean UNINTERRUPTED electricity...not the crap that runs in New Delhi (6 hours gone, 1 hr there, 11 hours gone, 6 hours there).
Then how do the Indians power the computers they have there now? Seems to me that electricity is electricty. If it can power a Dell, then it can certainly power an Apple.

Then there's the question of heat. I believe that the 42 degrees celcius and above temperatures might destroy the circuitry of the beautiful i-mac. Hence, you can only turn them on in the New Delhi winter (So I guess Apple's market there is clearly SEASONALLY BASED??)
:D :D :D

-sorry if this harsh If this is true, then why is Apple designing computers that only work in such limited temperature ranges? I just converted, that works out to 108F. Do standard PCs work in 108F temperatures? Seems like the questions above pertain to this one as well.

If Apple can sell in this market, I see nothing but positives coming out of this.

[me hate windows]

Going into India would be a very good thing for apple.

[MacAztec]

I think that would be good for Apple. But, is Inida a wealthy enough company to actually put money into(no offence to anyone)? I think that country might not be the best for computers...

[Kela]

Umm yeah, hopefully India has some electricity to power some computers ftaok. Infact FTAOK, why didnt you jsut throw the usual Klugscheisser comment at me about computers using very less energy?? Hmmm??

- gmp out

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Kela
Umm yeah, hopefully India has some electricity to power some computers ftaok. Infact FTAOK, why didnt you jsut throw the usual Klugscheisser comment at me about computers using very less energy?? Hmmm?? - gmp out What are you talking about? And who's Klugscheisser?

I think that your point was that Apple wouldn't do well in India because the electricity supply is inconsistent and the ambient temperatures are too high. I was just pointing out that India has lots of computers running at this very moment and they run on electricity.

[jaykk]

India has a large potential ..How many other countries make their own SuperComputers? Now India is going to build an iGrid, a nationwide grid of supercomputers for mammoth applications.
read the full story here
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=2867426&sType=1

So I think, it is a step in right direction for apple.

[Kela]

I don't know how to put this. iGrid might be something out of a sci-fi movie and a commendable achievement but....I feel that India's foundation is too weak. If even something like the electricity grid isnt properly organized, how the hell do they wanto to build iGrid?? (pun intended)

[resm]

did someone piss on your Lunchpack in India ?

your posting sounds like a spray of Acid.....not very realistic

I have travelled to India between 1986 to 1993 VERY frequently (about 200 times..I lost count) on short trips of about 3-4 day's most of the time and a few times a bit longer.
I have visited Madras, Bombay, New Delhi, Calcutta, Bangalore as well as some rural end of the world area somewhere between New Delhi and Calcutta.
I have frozen my butt off in the winter and got cooked in over 46 C in the summer and got blasted by sand storm's in New Delhi and that far out rural area.
My places I stayed were not the plush 5 star hotels but "fallen star's" hotel's and some private houses.
Never have I experienced 42C inside any house or hotel because, to your surprise maybe, the air cons all worked (well..almost all of the time)
So...I don't know...maybe you are such a nature freak and you put up your computer desk out in the open air ?
Have I experienced brown out's? Oh yes....all over India and I did that also in Manila (up to half a day) Penang, Bangkok and to my surprise it even happend here in Singapore.
And you know what ?
In ALL this places they have used computers for a long time, are still using them and will always use them.
How? well...sometime it beats me too...but despite of your oppinion or anybody else's....they can and they do !
With regard's to purchasing power....well..if you HAVE travelled to India yourself and put your nose into the small and medium enterprises that exist all over the country then you would also have seen that they USE COMPUTERS and not only the large companies.
With regards to private user's.....well..don't you think that out of one billion people there will be enough buyers who can afford to buy a Mac because MANY of them already own a computer and that are not only the "super rich ones".
How many of us on this forum are belonging to the group of "super rich" ?
well....my hands are down.



:mad:

[Kela]

I stand corrected resm. I apologize for my previous remarks.
Without Spikey and Co. I have no will to fight.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by Kela
Nice reply. Umm, 1 billion customers from which you can slash 90% cause the cant afford macs. About 60 million people could and they would since in India, the rich are RICH! So they all want status symbols and I dare say mac aint a status symbol.

-gimp out
:p :rolleyes: :confused: :eek: :cool:

I was thinking about saying that, but incase there were any India type people, I wouldnt want to get them mad.

Kela, I totally agree with your reasoning. Apple should go somewhere where they have a better chance to make some money.

[jaykk]

India's potential in IT is growing steadily. Companies like IBM, Sun and Oracle realized that sometime ago.Now its Apple's turn. For example, IBM is having only a handful of reasearch center's in the world, and one of them is in India. These companies are not making $$$ not simply by selling a lot of computers, its the software. India is having a large number of Unix installations ( thats why IBM, Oracle and Sun shines there) and apple is trying to convert these unix gurus to Mac OS X. And if India is having so much problems why are these companies increasing their Software Development activity in India so much.. Intel India is doubling its size.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2106715,00.html

I dont want to get into any lengthy argument over this, all I am saying is that if Apple wants to make an impact on Corporate World, Indian IT field is a starting point. and I guess, thats what Steve is trying to achive with his Unix flavored Mac OS X.

[Kela]

India needs to firstly get a stable political system. It's policy can then cure problems like friggin electricity grids and stuff. I mean, look at Atal Bihjari Vajpayee he looks like some kind of Zog Zog Monster freak from the jungle!! The guy can't even dress straight let alone talk properly. He cant speak english i dont think he can even speak hindi. How the *("£" does he communicate?:confused:

[mcrain]

Originally posted by Kela
India needs to firstly get a stable political system. It's policy can then cure problems like friggin electricity grids and stuff. I mean, look at Atal Bihjari Vajpayee he looks like some kind of Zog Zog Monster freak from the jungle!! The guy can't even dress straight let alone talk properly. He cant speak english i dont think he can even speak hindi. How the *("£" does he communicate?:confused:

(First, Kela, I note your location says you are from the US)

Wow, we have come so far since the civil war. Here we are in 2002 debating the merits of various chip makers, and you say that someone looks like they come from the jungle. Amazing display of tolerence and acceptance. I dare say that you should be nominated as a consulate to represent the American people and show the rest of the world just how civilized we have all become.

Look, India is a big country. It has lots of people. It has an economy (maybe not huge, but not tiny). It does have electricity (even if it isn't perfectly reliable - California?) It's government can afford to maintain a large military with nuclear arms. There is money to be made there. When the USSR broke up, there was no money there, but it was still an open market.

As Pepsi Cola will tell you, if you get the market from the beginning, you will always have an advantage in that market. (Pepsi was the first cola company that advertised in the African American community, and to this day, has an advantage over every other cola company in that demographic).

So, all the bashing of India aside, Apple isn't making a mistake in aggressively seeking a presence in the Indian market. It may not bear fruit immediately, but, Steve may not be quite as nearsighted as the rest of us.

[Kela]

" As Pepsi Cola will tell you, if you get the market from the beginning, you will always have an advantage in that market. (Pepsi was the first cola company that advertised in the African American community, and to this day, has an advantage over every other cola company in that demographic).
"

AS you yourself say, you need to be first in th market to get the upper hand. Umm, dont you think wintell and dell and crap like that have already been there for the past 10 years? Additonally, Indian people are so hard headed. Try telling them that a mac is better than the wintel machine they are using. They will start arguing with you using arguments reaching into the far depths of religion.
;)