The Console War Thread [Archive]

ddrueckhammer

Mar 5, 2007, 12:13 AM

ok not to mention the games for the wii with the exception of zelda suck....i mean mario....what are we...12?

Do you have a Wii? I do and I have played some very good games on it. Not every game has to be a 9.0+ game to be worth playing. Most of these are at least worth a rent and possible purchases for people depending on tastes...Here are a few of the good ones besides Zelda:

Excite Truck
Madden '07 (the controls make it on par or better than the other versions)
Wario Ware
Elebits
Rayman
Trauma Center
Monkey Ball
Sonic
SSX Blur
Red Steel (Ok this is a stretch, but it is worth a rent at least...)

Also, your post makes you sound like you are 12. Mario is the all time king of platformers and can be challenging for adults and children. People who are grown up realize that you don't have to have sex and violence for a game to be good. In my experience, adults (not highschool kids or lowerclassmen in college) buy games that are good. I can play God of War one minute and switch to Kirby the next. Who gives a cr*p, they are both good games.

Of the games listed earlier for the PS3, only VF5 is out. Resistance is a good shooter but inferior to a couple of games on the 360 IMO so who cares. Nothing new to see, move along...

holamiamigos

Mar 5, 2007, 12:24 AM

i finally got my wii more than a week ago (thank God)... some comments on the "journey".... no one camps out in my area.. so every sunday 12:00AM i would check the ads for the wii... it finally came up at circuit city last week so it was all good.. i woke up at 6:00 to make sure i would get one.. no one was there so i just slept in my car for about 30 mins.. once one person went out, i was out and waiting in the rain... i noticed that it was mostly mothers or fathers who would be getting it for their 8-12 year old kids... so yea... i got it and it is all good

n-abounds

Mar 5, 2007, 12:28 AM

Seeing as the Nintendo Wii is the new "it" toy to have, (ok, so really my internet no longer works with WoW) my roommate and I decided to get one. It didn't take long to realize that they are still impossible to find! Every day, we have been checking multiple stores for two weeks and still no luck. I guess Walmart got a shipment this morning, but I don't want one enough to camp out the night before (yes, they are still camping out). I am in the western suburbs of Chicago.

Are they this difficult to get where you are?

I swear that Chicago is getting the shaft...they are _nowhere_ to be found.

Mackilroy

Mar 5, 2007, 12:46 AM

Of the games listed earlier for the PS3, only VF5 is out.

Yes, I know, but Mario isn't out either. ;)

Xeem

Mar 5, 2007, 02:00 AM

It's still impossible to get one up where I live; no Best Buy, Target, or Wal-Mart near me has managed to keep Wii's in stock for any period of time. Actually, the same has been true for the DS as well; apparently many parents looking to buy Wii's for their kids decided to just get them the "other Nintendo."

Makosuke

Mar 5, 2007, 02:13 AM

eBay pretty much shows you what the actual market is; PS3s are going for pretty much "sticker price", and aren't selling out every time. Wiis, on the other hand, are consistently going for $300-350, significantly above the tag.

That lines up perfectly with what I see locally, too--I've been checking CONSTANTLY since the beginning of January (I figured before Christmas was just hopeless), and although my local GameStop, Target, Kmart(s), and Sears get shipments in pretty regularly (a dozen or two each, every week or two) they ALWAYS sell out within a half hour of opening. I have not, so far, managed to make it to any of the above at 9am on one of the days that they get them in (none, of course, can TELL you what day of the week stock comes it...).

PS3s, on the other hand, everywhere--Target's had them in stock (and not selling--you could see it was the same one sitting there in the case untouched) for the past month and Kmart has several 20 and 60 GB models just sitting there not selling.

Personally, I'm pretty sure I know why--my wife is not what you'd call an avid gamer by any stretch. She, however, took one look at Wii Sports and said "I want one!" The PS3, however, she has zip interest in.

I'm sure the launch titles are part of the reason, but frankly I live in a college town and there just aren't that many people who want and/or can afford a PS3--people just don't have $500 laying around for, what, a half dozen games and a copy of Talledega Nights in hi-def? Certainly too rich for my blood--none of the games interest me anyway, but I couldn't afford that even if I wanted one.

Overstocked. No one here wants one.

Come and get 'em.Ooh, that's just mean. Send some of the love to my area.

Oh, and I was on a medical trip last month, and I couldn't find one anywhere in the Phoenix or Denver metropolitan areas, either. I heard over and over "Sure, we get shipments in all the time, but don't even bother calling--if we have them we'll be sold out by the time you get here."

Markleshark

Mar 5, 2007, 02:35 AM

We're still finding them near impossible to get a hold of, maybe one or two a week at the moment.

I fancy one, but I don't know how much point there will be as the single player isnt supposed to that good. What would people who have one say?

It's not that I don't have friends, but my room doesn't lend its self to having more than one person in at any time, so we tend to go out.

Foxglove9

Mar 5, 2007, 02:43 AM

Nintendo are keeping supply low so it looks like the system is popular.

Companies have done it before, so it wouldn't surprise me if that is true.

But yeah they are still impossible to find around here too. Gamecubes never ever sold like this, so this could only be good news for Nintendo.

2nyRiggz

Mar 5, 2007, 05:09 AM

Companies have done it before, so it wouldn't surprise me if that is true.

Indeed. Stick around for a while and the demand should die down and Nintendo will get their ground...start getting these machines out.

Might I add that you can't find them here as well...but this is a big city with a lot of people :)

Bless

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 06:12 AM

ok not to mention the games for the wii with the exception of zelda suck....i mean mario....what are we...12?

What are you, 12?

I've been gaming long enough to know that a universal appeal to a game does not make it a bad game. Best game I've ever played? Turrican. Does it have blood? no. Is it hard as nails to the extent that a child probably couldn't complete it? yes.

I always find its the children themselves who have trouble with game appearances and their target audiences.

MacRumorUser

Mar 5, 2007, 06:55 AM

Wii is still hard to buy over the counter here. Most places are still operating a put your name down and we will give you a call when they come in - system here.

TheGimp

Mar 5, 2007, 08:03 AM

A few days ago Bestbuy (Fenway store) in Boston had several dozen available at the service/returns counter. I had purchased one several weeks earlier, but had had such a hard time finding it that I was tempted to purchase another one just to double up on reassurance that indeed I had the one I already owned.

That being said, I am fairly bored the the Wii. I own a couple games and have rented another half dozen, but unlike some MR members I don't live with or near my mother nor have a fourteen year old sister to slam in Wii Tennis or Excitetruck, so my unit and I are feeling a little stiffed in the software department.

Zelda was fun for a while, but honestly, if gameplay is the real deal then why can't something hurt Link once in a while? I mean, everytime he gets the slightest bit scathed, there's at least 2 hearts available under a nearby rock or the like, so he don't even have to limp along with as much as the slightest concern for his well-being. Reviewers have pointed out that full-screen bosses compensate for the lack of difficulty in beating them, but how can battles which aren't even difficult be considered 'epic'? THAT being said, I still enjoy wandering around and taking in the scenery for a little while every now and then, but please stop making me have to slash the same bats every time I retrace my steps.

Haoshiro

Mar 5, 2007, 08:17 AM

Around here I am told the stores get shipments every week but only get around 3 units each time (at least for GameStop) and sell out in 20-30 minutes.

Cassie: If there is overstock there, you could make a decent amount of money putting them on ebay. There are a lot of people who want them in other areas, you could help move that stock and make some decent profit in the process! :)

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 08:17 AM

A few days ago Bestbuy (Fenway store) in Boston had several dozen available at the service/returns counter. I had purchased one several weeks earlier, but had had such a hard time finding it that I was tempted to purchase another one just to double up on reassurance that indeed I had the one I already owned.

That being said, I am fairly bored the the Wii. I own a couple games and have rented another half dozen, but unlike some MR members I don't live with my mother nor have a fourteen year old sister to slam in Wii Tennis or Excitetruck, so my unit and I are feeling a little stiffed in the software department.

I don't think I'd have half the Wii library if I lived alone. Half the fun are the mini multiplayers that occur between TV shows, or I'll be there on Excite Truck and someone will pop in and we'll have a multiplayer. Without them I'd probably only be playing Zelda and a few Wii Sports training matches.
That said when everyone went on holiday I found myself playing a lot of Virtual Console games.

gkarris

Mar 5, 2007, 08:36 AM

I swear that Chicago is getting the shaft...they are _nowhere_ to be found.

Yep, around here - there are a lot of eBay sellers... that's why.

Oh, and overall, they're hard to find because it's a great system!

I don't have any Wii games (only the pack-in) but I am playing all my GC games on it!

grapes911

Mar 5, 2007, 09:18 AM

Just yesterday I was at GameStop and they had 8 of them. The sales guy said in just two weeks time, they went from not being able to get enough of them to not being able to give them away. People don't even come in and ask if them have them. He was wondering if people just gave up looking or if everyone that wants one now has one. It kind of funny to see different areas having supply & demand.

Phobophobia

Mar 5, 2007, 09:48 AM

If you see unsold systems, get em up on ebay for some profit.

It's actually a smart purchase. Even if you have to use credit.

ChrisK018

Mar 5, 2007, 09:55 AM

In the DC Metropolitan area they are very scarce. I broke down and got one on eBay for a respectable price when I factor in all the extra time (and the potential of missing work) in an attempt to chase down one at retail price.

I have not seen too many PS3's either, but I'm driving around in some of nice bourgeoisie areas where people can afford such things.

As it's common with brand new platforms, neither the PS3 or the Wii have any titles that I am super excited about. Zelda is fun, but it has not floored me. Happy with the simplicity of Wii Sports. Unlike a previous poster, I tend to only really go for the A-list titles in certain genres, and those only seem to come out around the 3rd quarter.

Come on Sony, Nintendo, and all you other publishers/developers! Give me some cool quirky games!

evilgEEk

Mar 5, 2007, 10:33 AM

They're still impossible to find around here as well.

I think it's simply high demand for the system and Nintendo just can't keep up with it.

I thought for sure by now you would be able to walk in to any store and pick one up, so who knows when that will be.

If you see unsold systems, get em up on ebay for some profit.

It's actually a smart purchase. Even if you have to use credit.

Prepare to be flamed, my friend. ;)

zero2dash

Mar 5, 2007, 11:43 AM

My girlfriend was telling me that back home in St. Louis, they are everywhere. Most stores there have them in stock.

I am debating on whether or not to make the drive.

Umm...unless she's recently been into a Wii surplus store :p

I have seen (and bought) 1 Wii system in a store case since launch, and that's including the fact that we go to the same Walmart usually once a week (if not more) for other stuff.

(I live in Fenton which is on the border of St. Louis County and Jefferson County.) :D

I think it's a case-by-case basis, you either get lucky or you don't. :confused:

davidwes

Mar 5, 2007, 12:57 PM

For the people who say the wii is in stock, which stores? I am in NYC looking for one. Gamestop and Target are the main places I looked reqularly and they never have them. I've checked up on best buy and circuit city too.

jdechko

Mar 5, 2007, 12:58 PM

I've seen them in Target more than anywhere else. The day I got mine, the store had 18. I've since seen 1 or 2 on many occasions.

seenew

Mar 5, 2007, 02:22 PM

ok not to mention the games for the wii with the exception of zelda suck....i mean mario....what are we...12?

I'm guessing you're probably 14/15/16.

Haha. If you were really as "mature" as you claim, you could appreciate Mario games for what they (usually) are: well made, fun, and replayable. Who cares that it has 'childish' or 'cartoon-ish' looking graphics? Mario games are damn fun.

But I suppose since I'm old enough to drive, vote, smoke, and drink, I should be playing more mature games like GTA or something, right? Hahaha.

zap2

Mar 5, 2007, 03:20 PM

ok not to mention the games for the wii with the exception of zelda suck....i mean mario....what are we...12?

:rolleyes: Only 12 yearr olds think Mario is for 12 year olds

twistedlegato

Mar 5, 2007, 03:59 PM

i mean mario....what are we...12?

You!!!!!!!! Never insult Mario!!!!!!

Antares

Mar 5, 2007, 04:36 PM

My girlfriend was telling me that back home in St. Louis, they are everywhere. Most stores there have them in stock.

I am debating on whether or not to make the drive.

Think about it. If you get one, you can let your girlfriend play with your Wii. But then again, if you have to drive far, is it really worth it? They're not THAT hard to find. Seriously, ask someone who works at any given store about when they're likely to get their next shipment in. Go in when that store opens on that day.

Bobdude161

Mar 5, 2007, 09:52 PM

My Best Buy only gets 3 every couple of weeks, and they sell out hours after the doors open when they are in stock. The same goes for DS lite, we get a few in stock occasionally and sell out the day of. It pains me to see people STILL looking Wiis, even nunchucks and remotes. Nintendo!! Quit being ***holes and start making these at full speed!! :mad:

TheDance511

Mar 5, 2007, 09:58 PM

I'm guessing you're probably 14/15/16.

Haha. If you were really as "mature" as you claim, you could appreciate Mario games for what they (usually) are: well made, fun, and replayable. Who cares that it has 'childish' or 'cartoon-ish' looking graphics? Mario games are damn fun.

But I suppose since I'm old enough to drive, vote, smoke, and drink, I should be playing more mature games like GTA or something, right? Hahaha.

Okay sorry for all you mario fans out there.. iwas simply using it as an example... i am 18 years old and i DO happen to smoke...and i also happen to vote... yes mario is replayable..and i did like mario 64 ALOT but i just dont like some of the nintendo games....im more of a playstation guy..just i dont like the games because they are not that good and the games that are good on nintendo were on playstation first.... (example) resident evil.... i dont know...i play games because it sfun..and because the graphics are awsome..its no fun to me when i pay 250 $ for a game consoel turn it on and then the graphics souck..jsut my 2 cents though... COUGH COUGH thats from my cigarettes:D

Dagless

Mar 5, 2007, 10:06 PM

^ reminds me of the PSPs best feature- emulating old Nintendo games :D

Phobophobia

Mar 5, 2007, 10:59 PM

Prepare to be flamed, my friend. ;)
Care to share why exactly it wouldn't be smart to buy a $250 system that's pretty much guaranteed to sell for $3xx+shipping?

Edit: just noticed lower ebay prices

TheDance511

Mar 5, 2007, 11:12 PM

Care to share why exactly it wouldn't be smart to buy a $250 system that's pretty much guaranteed to sell for $3xx+shipping?

okay...buy a ps3 for 600..put it on ebay..it will sell for like 800 + depending on if you have games or controllers or that stuff....face it....the ps3 is worth more AND the games are better... that blows your 300 whatever $ wii out of the water okay... now enough of this flaming....im sorry okay.. haha:p

Phobophobia

Mar 5, 2007, 11:20 PM

okay...buy a ps3 for 600..put it on ebay..it will sell for like 800 + depending on if you have games or controllers or that stuff....face it....the ps3 is worth more AND the games are better... that blows your 300 whatever $ wii out of the water okay... now enough of this flaming....im sorry okay.. haha:p
$600 system selling for $560 with extra game
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3858/ps3wg2.jpg

TheDance511

Mar 5, 2007, 11:40 PM

$600 system selling for $560 with extra game
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3858/ps3wg2.jpg

okay...thats why during christmas they were going for 2000 ya right....and thats just on a few cases are you saying there are no ps3's for the price i said.. im not lieing..there are also wii's for cheap as well

e²Studios

Mar 6, 2007, 12:12 AM

okay...thats why during christmas they were going for 2000 ya right....and thats just on a few cases are you saying there are no ps3's for the price i said.. im not lieing..there are also wii's for cheap as well

And yet if he just scrolled down a little bit you would find what is in my attachment. Of course that would have negated his little rant, wouldn't it.. :rolleyes:

Edit: the wii isn't doing as hot as it used to on ebay... its no better statistically than the PS3, at least in ebay sales and averages. These are all Completed auctions.

$150 for a new Wii with Wii Play and it didn't sell, yea its doing so great on ebay :) http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-game-console-Wii-Play_W0QQitemZ180093189244QQihZ008QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It's hit or miss just like with the PS3, I don't dare look up 360.. lol..

Ed

plinkoman

Mar 6, 2007, 12:45 AM

i DO happen to smoke... COUGH COUGH thats from my cigarettes:D

i'm glad you find the fact that you're killing yourself, not to mention killing just as many innocent people through second hand smoke, humorous... real funny :rolleyes:

Dagless

Mar 6, 2007, 05:59 AM

the ps3 is worth more AND the games are better

Nope. I'll give the 360 Oblivion since it has a huge (and seemingly rabid!) following, but the PS3 hasn't got a game as highly rated as Zelda.

But on a personal level, no racing game, even MotorStorm has had me as addicted as Excite Truck, no sports game has been as fun as Wii Sports, no party game as time destroying and hilarious as Mario Party.
Coup de grace? Mario World, Contra 3 and Streets of Rage.

TheGimp

Mar 6, 2007, 06:33 AM

i'm glad you find the fact that you're killing yourself, not to mention killing just as many innocent people through second hand smoke, humorous... real funny :rolleyes:

Nearly everyone is nearly killing both themselves and nearly everyone else through nearly everything they consume or kill directly. One day the atmosphere will be so polluted and there will be so much landfill waste [reaching for bottled water] that they may even have trouble finding a suitable place to stuff the box containing you (should you decide to go that route). That being said, smoking is smelly and runs against the grain of mainstream aethetics. :rollfatty

Haoshiro

Mar 6, 2007, 07:37 AM

e²Studios

Mar 6, 2007, 08:51 AM

While I'm not saying the original poster is completely accurate, your screenshots don't reall say much. None of those PS3s have bids! Sure they have a high price... but without bids that means nothing.

Several of the Wiis do have bids at least. There are often anomalies on ebay where something doesn't sell for several unknown factors. My guess for that $150 Wii is that shipping is over $100 and it has to be shipped overseas unless you live in Hawaii.

People get averted by high shipping prices easily, even if in the end they still get a good deal. And getting something shipped from overseas can not only take a lot longer, it's dangerous... packages often get ruined from that because of bad packing on the sellers end (corporations don't often have that problem because they properly pack).

Shipping was $39.95 on the $150 Wii that didn't sell it states this in the auction, also any PS3/Wii auction with Green for the price means it sold, red means it didn't sell. There were some hefty amounts in green for the PS3. I'm going to assume you just didnt take the time to read/didn't know that green meant sold in ebay... I also stated that it was COMPLETED auctions, The PS3 ones were BIN auctions that don't need more than 1 person to click on Buy It Now.

Ed

red41

Mar 6, 2007, 09:00 AM

CHICAGO people. I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a few of my fellow Chicagoians can't find Wii's. I got one last Saturday at the Best Buy on Elston. They get shipments in on Friday nights. So show up at 9:55am on Saturday and you should be able to snag one. I was there about 5 minutes before they opened and was the third person to buy one. They only had 9 in stock but if you get there when they open you shouldn't have a problem. Good luck.

mkaake

Mar 6, 2007, 09:09 AM

And yet if he just scrolled down a little bit you would find what is in my attachment. Of course that would have negated his little rant, wouldn't it.. :rolleyes:

Edit: the wii isn't doing as hot as it used to on ebay... its no better statistically than the PS3, at least in ebay sales and averages. These are all Completed auctions.

$150 for a new Wii with Wii Play and it didn't sell, yea its doing so great on ebay :) http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-game-console-Wii-Play_W0QQitemZ180093189244QQihZ008QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It's hit or miss just like with the PS3, I don't dare look up 360.. lol..

Ed

The seller ended this listing early because of an error in the listing.

It's not that hard to just say that yes, there's a healthy eBay market for the Wii, is it?

I'm sure I could find an auction that was ended early on PS3's, then post a

ZOMG!!! TeH pS3 coudnt sel fr 150!! bwahhahaah!
pS3 that didn't sell for $1!!!1!1!! (http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60GB-console-Brand-New-NO-RESERVE-PS3_W0QQitemZ280090509027QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

But that would be really stupid, because 30 seconds of searching on eBay shows that people are paying about 575 plus shipping (60 gig). That same 30 seconds would also show that the Wii is going for between 300 and 350 plus shipping. Now, there's two points that someone can take away from this:

1. They're freakin game consoles - who cares which one sells more or for how much above retail?

2. If it's that important to you, the Wii is selling somewhere around 20-40% above retail, while the PS3 is selling somewhere around 4% below retail.

You can draw your own conclusions based on that, but for goodness sakes, don't start posting links to auctions that had to be ended early to try to make a point that supports your console of choice. You don't have to prove to anyone why you like it / bought it / whatever.

<edit>

On topic, I've tried finding one, and in the last month, have only seen 2 on a store shelf (only on 1 occasion). I didn't have the money on me at the moment, so I had to let it go. The guys who stocked it told me they'd hold it before they announced it (Meijer, in Michigan), warning me that they usually sold out within about 5 minutes of making the announcement to the store.

That said, I think they're hard to find because

a) people are intrigued by it (not just gamers), and
b) stores are getting small shipments. the meijer I was at gets between 2 and 4 a week. That's not a whole lot of consoles.

Please note, those who are prone to flaming, I didn't not say that
a) it is the most fun system in the world, and the only one that can intrigue non-gamers, o
b) it's selling worlds better than any other console, evar.

DarkNetworks

Mar 6, 2007, 10:01 AM

Any idea whereabouts in the UK besides ebay that has a Wii IN STOCK?

Phobophobia

Mar 6, 2007, 10:37 AM

$150 for a new Wii with Wii Play and it didn't sell
Most of the auctions you posted in your attachment just confirm that there is high to above average demand for Wii. Hopefully people reading this thread have figured out by now that you're desperately trying to make the PS3 sound better than it is.

MacRumorUser

Mar 6, 2007, 11:07 AM

http://wii.ign.com/articles/770/770565p1.html?RSSwhen2007-03-06_021200&RSSid=770565

UK Wiis "Like Gold Dust"
IGN investigates Britain's ongoing Wii console shortage.
by Rob Burman, IGN UK

UK, March 6, 2007 - UK consumers are still struggling to pick up Nintendo Wiis, IGN has discovered - despite the fact it was launched in Europe three months ago. High street retailers, including GAME and HMV, have both reported short supplies of the machine, with any limited stock they do get selling out in a matter of hours.

"Wiis are like gold dust", said one store manager, who admitted that many customers queue outside every morning in the hope that new stock arrives. In fact, of the 20 retailers we contacted all across country, only one - Toys R Us in Bristol - had Wii consoles left in stock. All other shops had completely sold out and most had no idea when more consoles would be available, with a handful of retailers still trying to fulfill launch pre-orders three months on.

However, by far the most worrying aspect of our investigation was the fact that some retailers had been seriously deprived of stock, with one store manager telling us they'd only received two deliveries since launch and that their last delivery contained a meagre five units. Even those shops fortunate enough to get regular shipments have complained they only get a maximum of a dozen units at a time and that any new stock has "sold out within minutes".

Commenting on the shortage, a spokesperson for Nintendo UK said, "The sheer level of demand for Wii over the launch period was something that no one could have anticipated. While we were certainly very well prepared for a good launch the level of demand we saw, and continue to see in the New Year, remains very high". However, Nintendo believes the shortage is only a short-term problem and claims it's addressing stock issues: "We are continuing to make multiple and regular shipments across the UK to ensure that we keep up with demand".

Meanwhile, Fiona Haldane from GAME remained positive about the demand for Wii: "We are still seeing a huge customer demand for the Nintendo Wii and as soon as stores receive stock they are flying off the shelves within minutes. The console appeals to so many customers and has expanded the gaming market to a new consumer. As soon as we receive stock in we want to sell it and are working closely with Nintendo to ensure we satisfy the customer demand."

gloss

Mar 6, 2007, 11:21 AM

Obviously lies. :rolleyes:

mkaake

Mar 7, 2007, 12:45 PM

Just a quick update:

I started searching for Wii's again (tax returns came through :) ), and haven't had any luck. Stopped by Sam's Club last night, and the day before they had recieved a shipment of 44. Within a few hours, they were all gone.

Why?

Entreprenuers, of the eBay variety. The guy I talked to said they had people buying as many as 13 at a time.

*sigh*

Still trying to find one. Maybe this week...

iLunar

Mar 7, 2007, 01:02 PM

Obviously lies. :rolleyes:

False demand, I say, FALSE!!!111!!1!!1 I have a friend who's a manager at a shipping center who knows the Pope who got a direct line from G-d himself who oversaw Wii shipping numbers, and G-d himself said that Nintendo is holding back Wii's in order to NOT make money because they are communist pigs!

:p

Dagless

Mar 7, 2007, 03:43 PM

Funny. They're still seeping through.

Toys 'R Us in Bristol? That's hilarious! Just before Caroline bought hers off eBay she looked all over Bristol trying to find one (her brother is at uni there).
So a week passes after the eBay purchase. Her pre-orders from Gamestation and Littlewoods both come in. Her brother is contacted and asked if he can get a hold of one there (this was about 5-7 days ago now) else they'll drive one down to him. He scours everywhere. Toys R Us included. None. They're heading down this weekend :) Over the summer there will be 3 Wii's in their house :( whilst everyone else gets deprived.

They are coming in but there are just too many pre-orders. As soon as the initial shipment was filled they started taking new pre-orders with no limits. Friend of mine got his in store just as the last of the pre-orders had been filled. They get a constant shipment of I think 8-14 Wii's a week. They're back on pre-orders again.

Unless they're like Manchester and say "we have 3 Toys R Us!" despite 2 being in totally different towns...

e²Studios

Mar 7, 2007, 06:46 PM

March 7, 2007 - During a session at GDC this morning titled 'Burning Mad - Game Publishers Rant,' time was taken about half way through to allow developers a chance to spew their own rants. One speaker, Chris Hecker, currently working on Spore at Maxis, took the opportunity to call out Nintendo for not taken games seriously.

"The Wii is a piece of *****!" Hecker began his talk, which was called "Fear of a Wii Planet." He blasted a few bars of Public Enemy to set the tone. Hecker said the Wii is nothing more than two GameCubes stuck together with duct tape, and that the console isn't powerful enough to provide the next-gen experience he has been waiting for.

Although he stated the system is "severely underpowered," Hecker noted that he wasn't simply referring to the Wii's graphical capabilities. He wants to spend a console's CPU making games more intelligent, and he has found the Wii doesn't have the power to process things like complicated AI.

Hecker also took Nintendo to task for not taking games seriously enough. "It's not clear to me that Nintendo gives a **** about games as an art form," he said. To illustrate his point, he searched for references to games as art on all three console manufacturers web sites. While he found numerous such references on both the official PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 sites, Wii.com had none at all. He then shared quotes from executives at Sony and Microsoft talking about games as a serious artistic medium, and then a quote from a Nintendo executive saying the company only wanted to make "fun" games.

Hecker ended his spirited rant with two demands for Nintendo: First, recognize and push games as serious art. And two, "make a console that doesn't suck ass."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/771/771051p1.html?RSSwhen2007-03-07_111900&RSSid=771051

It's interesting to hear more and more developers complaining about the Wii. Square complained about the Wii codes (i think others did too), SNK with the lack of online till 2008, and there has been other complaints from developers in the past. The Wii does lack power, though i don't expect anyone here to actually admit that they realize that.

Quite the rant. GDC is turning out to be rather interesting this year.

Ed

psycoswimmer

Mar 7, 2007, 06:50 PM

It's interesting to hear more and more developers complaining about the Wii. Square complained about the Wii codes (i think others did too), SNK with the lack of online till 2007, and there have been other complaints from developers in the past. The Wii does lack power, though i don't expect anyone here to actually admit that they realize that.

I understand that the Wii lacks power. I knew that when I paid $250 for it. But I'm still playing Wii Sports and games like WarioWare because I don't have time to sit down and play a video game system for more than 30 minutes, and the quick fix of fun that games like that give is what I wanted. For times that I do have a lot of time on my hands, I have Zelda: TP which is good enough for me. ;)

plinkoman

Mar 7, 2007, 07:01 PM

games as an art form? what? game should be fun, thats what they're there for; having an artist element added is nice, but being fun is the most important thing and he hates nintendo for saying it was their priority?

though he's right about the friend codes. :rolleyes:

Dagless

Mar 7, 2007, 07:01 PM

Byebye respect for Ed H, this is the kind of thing I'd except more extreme fanboys to publish, not him :(

ps. What galaxy do you have to be in for something to be "****" and good at the same time?

Sky Blue

Mar 7, 2007, 07:01 PM

You're on a roll, Ed!

Sutekidane

Mar 7, 2007, 07:07 PM

He's right about a lot of things, even if he was very rough around the edges and being an overall *******.

e²Studios

Mar 7, 2007, 07:07 PM

Byebye respect for Ed H, this is the kind of thing I'd except more extreme fanboys to publish, not him :(

ps. What galaxy do you have to be in for something to be "****" and good at the same time?

psst Jimmi, i didnt write it :) I think his rant is a bit overboard, but on the same turn i think maybe he is on to something. I like my Wii for mindless fun, or when company is over, but i have a hard time seeing it as a hardcore gaming console. The whole experience isnt there.

Don't shoot the messenger Jimmi :)

You're on a roll, Ed!

I just post the news that i think you all would like here, it can't all be roses you know, and i already know at the hint of any PS3 negativity you all would be there to repost for me to see ;)

Do i need to add disclaimers that the opinions expressed by writers that i dont know may or may not be representative of my own opinions? I think he went off on a tangent, but i think there was some truth to it.

Ed

Sky Blue

Mar 7, 2007, 07:13 PM

I just post the news that i think you all would like here

Like Nintendo saying there's no online Wii games in 07?

JackAxe

Mar 7, 2007, 07:25 PM

Mr. Ed H. If there was ever a so-called fanboy, you're a good example of it.

So, when are you selling your Wii? :)

Hi, my name is Chris HeckLer. I worked with Microsoft for 3 years.

-Chris Heckler certainly has lots to rant about. (http://crystaltips.typepad.com/wonderland/2005/03/burn_the_house_.html)
It pains me to say this but I recently just took a job at EA. However, I worked for Will on the game you just saw, so.. [laughter] I’m going to rant about How Sony And Microsoft Are About To Screw Your Game Design. Look, how are we going to get where gameplay, graphics and physics are all evenly well balanced? At the moment we’re the 120lb weakling, except nowadays his right arm here, graphics, is enormous.

So, as you know, graphics and physics grind on large homogenous floating point data structures in a very straight-line structured way. Then we have AI and gameplay code. Lots of exceptions, tunable parameters, indirections and often messy. We hate this code, it’s a mess, but this is the code that makes the game DIFFERENT. Here is the terrifying realization about the next generation consoles: I’m about to break a ton of NDAs here, oh well, haha, I never signed them anyway.

Gameplay code will get slower and harder to write on the next generation of consoles. Modern CPUs use out-of-order execution, which is there to make crappy code run fast. This was really good for the industry when it happened, although it annoyed many assembly language wizards in Sweden. Xenon and Cell are both in-order chips. What does this mean? It’s cheaper for them to do this. They can drop a lot of cores. One out-of-order core is about four times [did I catch that right? Alice] the size of an in-order core. What does this do to our code? It’s great for grinding on floating point, but for anything else it totally sucks. Rumours from people actually working on these chips – straight-line runs 1/3 to 1/10th the performance at the same clock speed. This sucks.

We hope Nintendo doesn’t follow Sony and Microsoft on this, although they totally flailed this generation so anything could happen. Think about batchable designs and simulationy systems. You wanna just write the gameplay. You could just do PC games. Luckily due to the power of Will Wright, our game is a PC game! [laughter]

Wow, this tard was so right about the 360 and PS3. ;) I also hope Nintendo doesn't follow Sony and MS's imaginary mistake. That certainly wouldn't be good.

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

<]=)

zap2

Mar 7, 2007, 07:30 PM

, and then a quote from a Nintendo executive saying the company only wanted to make "fun" games.

Bastards!! Try to make gaming fun!! How dare they I'm going to sell my Wii tomorrow just to prove them wrong :rolleyes:

Please this guy is an idiot....its not powerful enogh to make his art? Come on, was he not making games in the PS2 days? Or PS1 days, I'd have to say there is some great "art" there. Or did that power somehow not matter magicly the day the 360 shipped(only because it did so before the PS3)

Hey buddy, if all you care about if graphics go make games for PC only...they clearly have better graphics.

Ma

PlaceofDis

Mar 7, 2007, 07:37 PM

psst Jimmi, i didnt write it :) I think his rant is a bit overboard, but on the same turn i think maybe he is on to something. I like my Wii for mindless fun, or when company is over, but i have a hard time seeing it as a hardcore gaming console. The whole experience isnt there.

Don't shoot the messenger Jimmi :)

I just post the news that i think you all would like here, it can't all be roses you know, and i already know at the hint of any PS3 negativity you all would be there to repost for me to see ;)

Do i need to add disclaimers that the opinions expressed by writers that i dont know may or may not be representative of my own opinions? I think he went off on a tangent, but i think there was some truth to it.

Ed

pssst. add the quote tags to the text you're quoting from the article to have it stand out from your post.

e²Studios

Mar 7, 2007, 07:43 PM

pssst. add the quote tags to the text you're quoting from the article to have it stand out from your post.

I did, i even added the link between the quoting and my writing, i dont think i could have made it any more obvious.

I'll never sell my Wii, i like it contrary to popular belief here :) I will be buying Paper Mario, Mario Party 8, and other first party games and possibly 3rd party (not multi-platform) games that I may find enjoyable.

I never said i hated the Wii, to imply that would just be putting words in my mouth. I like the Wii, i think it has its place in my entertainment center, and I am sure that Nintendo and developers would love to take my money. I'll keep giving it to them too. Considering that i have 2 DS Lites, a Wii and have been a card carrying Nintendo Power member since 1989 to say i hate Nintendo is blasphemy.

While this writer could have been more tactful in describing his opinions, there is truth to what he is saying.

However you all are entitled to your own opinions. :)

Ed

PlaceofDis

Mar 7, 2007, 07:45 PM

I did, i even added the link between the quoting and my writing, i dont think i could have made it any more obvious.

Ed

no i meant quote tags used on the VBullien, not just quotes.

like this

highlight the text you want quoted, and then up in the tool bar, the text bubble will wrap the tags around the text.

zap2

Mar 7, 2007, 07:45 PM

It's interesting to hear more and more developers complaining about the Wii. Square complained about the Wii codes (i think others did too), SNK with the lack of online till 2008, and there has been other complaints from developers in the past. The Wii does lack power, though i don't expect anyone here to actually admit that they realize that.

Quite the rant. GDC is turning out to be rather interesting this year.

Ed

This isn't more and more...its 1 stupid dev, who is an idiot. Did he hate every system before the PS3/360? And he yelled at Nintendo for wanting fun games....WTF? I want fun games, I'm not sure why you wouldn't want fun games.

SNK was wrong, do you even read the threads you make? I posted links from a Reggie were he has dev have online gaming, plus a Sega game that use Miis and has online.

And whats other complaints....I would have let this thread go as simply a thread about a dev who didn't like the Wii. But when you try and connect the thread to try and make the baseless point that there is a growing Wii blacklash I'm going to call out the lies.

And cut your Nintendo is creating false demand crap out, you go around proclaiming this, but never give any links to back that claim up. And when a system is selll 100,000s of units a week you better have one damn good source, or a bunch of smaller ones.

TheGimp

Mar 7, 2007, 07:52 PM

Sounds like a guy who's frustrated that he's more of a nerd than an artist-nerd or simple artist. He probably skipped class to play Rogue or Roadwar Europa on the days when the rest were being taken on a fieldtrip to the local fine arts exhibit.

By the time the Wii fails for good, it will have already done its job in entertaining so many. As for whether the Wii is woefully underpowered, i would say the other two supposedly "next gen" systems are also woefully underpowered. They may be leaps and bounds ahead of the wii, but all three systems reside at roughly the same general order of magnitude relative to the kind of horsepower and ram needed to create convincing AI. Nintendo is probably just waiting for the 'real deal', that is, bucketloads of wholesale ram and the like to become available in the coming decade, not this off-the-shelf approach to console design which the competitors are using.

I don't think anyone has to worry about this becominga 'wii planet'. Just do something compelling and people will wake up to it. 'Hardcore' gamers and game designers have to realize that much of the demographic they're attempting to recruit -and losing to Nintendo (if software sales are any indication) - don't care whether a given game has X poly count and Y texture resolution. None of the games out today look anything like reality. I finally saw GOW at a Bestbuy kiosk and felt it offered nothing revolutionary whatsoever in the visual department. Most people would still rather watch a high-def movie than run and gun through virtual environments created by coked up nerds and airbrush artists who are still trying to pass off polygon faces as vehicles for drama. We'll ALL look back and laugh, even todays xbox 360 and ps3 staunchest supporters.

devilot

Mar 7, 2007, 08:03 PM

I think there is value in hearing a lot of different opinions especially from those involved with a given industry. That said... While this writer could have been more tactful in describing his opinions...I feel the thread title also could have been worded more tactfully. Especially given the fact that as a Games Forum regular, it's quite apparent that the title would be incendiary and yes, sensational.

sarcosis

Mar 7, 2007, 08:04 PM

I learned two things when observing the video game industry these last few months. It's the same that can be said of the automobile industry as well as the computer processor industry. We as a society were stuck in a groove. We were comfortable. One of the things about us humans is that we don't like change. Why that is, I pretty much chalk it up to being lazy. Hell, i don't like some change because I have to get off my a@! and do something.

In any case, last gen, all of the developers of hardware and software did the same thing. Sure, exclusives were different, but what was really different. Just the same old thing but flashier and shinier. Most companies stayed the same. Thus the industry stayed the same including the customers. We expected little of what was going on.

Companies were using the push method of research and development. That meaning that they created something, we buy it. Over the last half-century, good businesses found out that wasn't a good way to make a profit. The pull technique was far more effective. They needed to ask, what do the consumers want. The marketing concept at play for all of you marketers.

Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler did this the last 30 years. They were like, eh quality, screw that, let's go for profit margins and efficiency to make higher profit margins. Then Toyota and Honda get here and all of a sudden, we found out that, "Wow, they don't break as much compared to domestic cars." Thus we now have Six-Sigma, TQM, all that other quality ****. Now the auto mobile industry is better as a whole.

Intel got lazy and they got beat by AMD for a few years before they woke up and were like, "Ummm... we are loosing money and market share. We should do something about it."

I believe that Sony is doing the same thing. Microsoft has Live to offer that is different. Live is something that people want. It works good and the gamertag is an innovative idea.

Nintendo is doing the same. They are finding out what the customers want and trying to extend the base. Nintendo next round will have a huge advantage if trends continue as they are. They could potentially kick out a hugely powerful machine in 4 years, using the Wii technology and the lessons learned. Microsoft and Sony will be running for the hills then.

Nintendo does have problems, i'll give it that. Like that stupid as hell friend code thing. Slap Nintendo for that one. Slow ass online shop, another shame. But overall, it does what they say they were going to do. And a hell of a lot cheaper than the rest. I mean come on, who bought the Core 360. I sure as heck didn't, I got the premium one and love every minute of it.

e²Studios

Mar 7, 2007, 08:08 PM

... lots of good writing ...

I think this is what incited Sony to introduce their HOME system that will be integrated with the XMB interface, competition is good for everyone especially us as a consumer.

Do you write professionally? While i didnt agree with everything you said, i did enjoy reading your post :)

Ed

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 7, 2007, 08:33 PM

To be fair to Ed H, the title he used for the thread is the same title used for the article he quoted. So it is appropriate in that respect.

I think you need to look at where the Hecker is coming from to understand his tirade.

He is one of the developers of Spore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_game) (a totally cool game I am looking forward to). Spore is supposed to be released on PC/Mac and all latest gen consoles.

That last bit is the important part. I suspect the Spore devs are having a hard time getting it to run on the Wii.

Just like The Sims had to wait around for hardware big enough to run it, so has Spore. It will likely tax a PS3 so getting it to run at all on a Wii might be what is frustrating this dev.

Now they have also talked about it running on cell phones, so maybe I'm just looking for excuses for the guy (cell phone?!?!). But this is how I have interpreted the comments.

darkwing

Mar 7, 2007, 08:44 PM

The notion that in-order chips offer 1/3rd to 1/10th the performance of out-of-order chips is total bunk. Yes it's possible to write code so horribly that it stalls the cpu at every memory access, but any decent compiler with an instruction scheduler will fix this issue just fine. As long as the SDKs are capable of dealing with the CPU they are made for, they will produce great code. Keeping the costs down of the CPUs is another way to give us great consoles at a price anybody with a high school degree and a burger flipping job can afford.

Yes the Wii can handle out-of-order execution, but it's still going to be thrashed by the CPUs in the PS3 and the 360. Doesn't even come close.

Here's an analogy for ya:

A hybrid car has better technology than my V8 car, but my car is going to out-accelerate it every time.

And yes, that acceleration is needed to have fun. ;)

zap2

Mar 7, 2007, 08:52 PM

As much as I hate to say it, the "drought" people have been talking about , is,indeed coming for the Wii and DS
http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/horror-story-wii-ds-release-schedule-242474.php

April 9 Super Paper Mario Nintendo

April Prince of Persia Rival Swords Ubisoft

April Bust-A-Move Bash Majesco

April Bioncle Heroes Eidos

May 15 Mortal Kombat: Armageddon Midway

May 29 Mario Party 8 Nintendo

May Tamagotchi Party On Namco Bandai

May Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean Disney Interactive
at World's End

May Escape from Bug Island Eidos

May Spider-Man The Movie 3 Activision

June 11 Big Brain Academy Nintendo

June 25 Pokemon Battle Revolution Nintendo

June Cosmic Family Ubisoft

Spring Heatseeker Codemasters

Q2 Legend of the Dragon American Game Factory

Summer Shrek the Third Activision

Summer Transformers the Game Activision

Nintendo DS

April 22 Pokemon Diamond and Pokemon Pearl Nintendo

May Pirates of the Caribbean 3 Buena Vista

May Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Densetsu Atari

May Pony Friends Eidos

May Diner Dash Eidos

May Touch the Dead Eidos

June 4 Nintendo DS browser Nintendo

June 4 Planet Puzzle League Nintendo

June 11 Touchmaster DS Midway

June Zendoku Eidos

Spring Naruto Ninja Council 3 Tomy

Spring Time Ace Konami

Spring Death Jr. and the Science Fair of Doom Konami

Q2 Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon Natsume

Summer Shrek the Third Activision

Summer Transformers: Autobots Activision

Summer Transformers: Decepticons Activision

Over all sad....the only game I'll pick up for the Wii or DS are

Super Paper Mario,Big Brain Academy, Mario Party 8 and maybe Spiderman 3, PoP and Mortal Combat......and for the DS theres only Pokemon.

Worth noting is lack of Metriod Prime 3 or Super Smash Brothers and LoZ:PH for the DS. Also worth pointing out is that Super Paper Mario looks like the only game that will have a story line. The other will be good party or multiplayer games.

Also its about time America got the DS Browser...althought kind of point less because I'll be getting the iPhone about the same time.

sikkinixx

Mar 7, 2007, 08:53 PM

...super paper mario is about it for me.

*sigh* I hope 360/PS3 games fill the void.

Dagless

Mar 7, 2007, 09:01 PM

Thank

God

Pokemon Diamond for me. I can't friggin wait. It's been what? 2001 since the last *new* Pokemon RPG? With them online abilities I doubt it will spend much time out of my DS this year, best get FF3 completed!
5 weeks away. 5 horrific weeks away.

Big Brain, Mario Party, Paper Mario are as good as mine. Also planning on picking up my own copy of Excite Truck and Red Steel (totally addicted to multiplayer there). Partially interested in Mortal Kombat, though I've grown up since then and now it just cannot hold a candle to Street Fighter.

I'll never play TV/Film licenced games.

darkwing

Mar 7, 2007, 09:05 PM

I'll never play TV/Film licenced games.

Haha we agree on something.

http://www.duelinganalogs.com/?date=2006-08-30

ddrueckhammer

Mar 7, 2007, 09:07 PM

It seems to me that all of the developers are trying to do something to make their title stand out from the others (which might or might not lead to better sales). Some are making super realistic graphics, some are trying to make better AI, and some are embracing Nintendo's motion control.

Only the ones who get the motion control idea, (like EA, non-Maxis) and want to try to make compelling games with it have positive things to say about it.

I'm not sure if better AI will bring alot to the table for me because if I want a more intellegent opponent, I can just play against another human being. However, I am sure that the same games with HD graphics aren't that compelling to me. I can play penty of those on a PC. So for me, the motion control is pretty cool. While I can easily go back to playing games with a gamepad, I don't really want to. As this technology progresses and we get better tracking and more 1 to 1 controls it will be more and more fun.

As far as this guy saying that Nintendo doesn't care about gameplay as an artform, I would say that he is right. Nintendo cares about making fun games that sell. The thing is, a side effect of Nintendo's obsession with quality is that they can be percieved as art. They make quality hardware that (for the most part) doesn't break, quality games, and have quality customer service. They may not be edgy but they usually (especially Miyamoto games) ooze quality and are great examples of fine craftmanship, something that many would percieve as beautiful and art.

If he is saying that games have to have next-gen graphics to be considered art or even push the evelope. I think most of us are smart enough to realize this is FUD.

Finally, if he is complaining that Nintendo sold out I would characterize that as a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. How many Sims expansions do we need exactly?

A hybrid car has better technology than my V8 car, but my car is going to out-accelerate it every time.

As an (soon to be) engineer, I think this is a bad analogy. Electric hybrid motors are capable of producing a tremendous amount of torque. They can be far more efficient that traditional internal combustion engines. The second fastest 0-60 car in the world, the Wrightspeed, uses an electric motor. The idea that electric or hybrid cars can't be very powerful is FUD spread by the automobile industry. I don't want to go into reasons why they might want to do this because it could turn into an entire thread by itself but go look it up if you are interested.

Here is a link of the Wrightspeed (0-60 in about 2 seconds) beating a Ferrari and a Porche. The Wrighspeed isn't a production car but the Tesla Motors entry (which is) has a 0-60 in under 4 seconds after all the saftey stuff is added in. Still extremely impressive for new technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDZOBQs60w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOl_1S10jTk

Sky Blue

Mar 7, 2007, 09:13 PM

SPM and Mario Party 8 for me, a weak line up. No Tingle? No FE? BWii?

I don't know why but I have no interest in Pokemon.

Chone

Mar 7, 2007, 09:33 PM

Damn that was what I was afraid might happen to the Wii... and if you rule out Nintendo first party... there is NOTHING in there to play.

Pokemon might save the DS, that game is a beast in terms of replay value.

This however looks like a kickass year for PC, PS3 and the 360.

ddrueckhammer

Mar 7, 2007, 09:39 PM

Like everyone else. Super Paper Mario and maybe Big Brain Academy for me...Is it a remake or a new game? Mortal Kombat also look interesting. I will probably rent alot of stuff this Summer and if anything strikes my fancy get it. On the bright side, Christmas should be great for Nintendo.

Excite Truck is way better than the scores it got...Who cares about story for an arcade racing game really.

The PSP might actually catch up to the DS though. That is a pretty lame lineup. Its a good thing I already have plenty of good DS software.

Oh well, if too many games come out that are good it starts effecting my schoolwork...

sikkinixx

Mar 7, 2007, 09:46 PM

I don't know why but I have no interest in Pokemon.

Same here, although Pokemon was bad ass...

in grade 7 :p

Mavimao

Mar 7, 2007, 09:47 PM

Granted it's not the most exciting list, but c'mon, how many games do you guys play in a month?! If I personally had a Wii, I'd be fine with Paper Mario to hold me over for a couple of months.

People talk about a drought (and here's the gaming scene's pathetic mot du jour vis a vis the Wii, repeated ad naseum across numerous boards) as if people need 18 new games a week in order to have a "steady" supply of good games. Personally, there are too many games coming out that I want to play but never will.

pcypert

Mar 7, 2007, 09:48 PM

How many people besides me, MRU, and ED really play that many games at a time anyways? I mean I have 17 or so 360 games and 25 DS games, but I don't think I'm typical....it's mostly because they're so cheap here.

But how many do I really play. Maybe one solid game a month and piddle on others here and there. So with VC games to piddle on this doesn't actually seem to bad. I'm THIS close to trading my 360 for a Wii lately even with the less than stellar announcements, lack of really solid non cutesy games, etc...just because my only quick fix games on the 360 are Fifa and live games. Otherwise I need a good hour or two to sit down to most games...those games are amazing, but I just don't have that kind of time.

Paul

ddrueckhammer

Mar 7, 2007, 10:03 PM

You sound like me. I have 3 Wii Games (including Wii Sports) and 11 GC games that I bought to tide me over. Then I have about 15 DS games but I stopped buying them because even used they are overpriced. I play 360 at my friends house alot but haven't gotten one because the Wii is eating all of my time anyway. Lately I've been playing VC games more than anything else because I can just play them for 30 minutes and suspend them.

My girlfriend wanted to get an :apple: TV and I was thinking of trying to talk her into a 360 instead but honestly even with a good Wii game only every 2 months, I am still busy with the GC games I missed and all the great VC games.

Ja Di ksw

Mar 7, 2007, 10:58 PM

Bit disappointed. I was hoping to hear about Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, BWii, and Zelda: PH.

At the same time, I don't have enough time to finish the Wii games I already HAVE (and am having a great time playing when I can spare a little bit of time).

Maybe this is good for me and my lack of self control when it comes to Nintendo.

Jovian9

Mar 8, 2007, 12:05 AM

I sure wish all 3 consoles were the exact same so that I could buy 3 of the same games for 3 different consoles. /lotsofsarcasm

An artist does not need the most advanced tools to create art.

Since when do all GAMES have to be SERIOUS. Doesn't anyone else notice the irony in those 2 words? GAME vs SERIOUS :) My goodness. Sometimes it's okay to have FUN with a GAME. As a matter of fact I would rather have FUN with a GAME than be SERIOUS with a GAME.

Another quality gaming thread.....I hardly read this section of MacRumors any more b/c of this :(

GFLPraxis

Mar 8, 2007, 01:04 AM

pcypert

Mar 8, 2007, 02:37 AM

My only fear for folks is if these few get pushed back...super paper mario has already gone back once...what's to say these others won't as well?

Paul

MacRumorUser

Mar 8, 2007, 03:30 AM

Apart from Brain Academy - there is NOTHING there for the newly interested non gamers that have invested in Wii & Wii Sports.

The non gamers are being left in the dark and this could hit a new large audience and if they are left waiting months and months for new titles that appeal, then they may just grow tired of the Wii altoghether, and Nintendo end up losing it's new audience simply due to boredom and apathy.

Come on nintendo you did a good job attracting a new audience with the Wii & Wii Sports - so why are you killing it with a less than attractive release schedule ?

pcypert

Mar 8, 2007, 04:21 AM

These games will be good for non gammers...paper mario will be tons of fun and probably pretty easy to play at first and then get harder as you progress...

On some other site they were saying this list was incomplete because it was missing the Rock Star stuff...

Also, when will Guitar Heroes be out for the Wii? That'll be a great casual gamer game for sure.

Paul

MacRumorUser

Mar 8, 2007, 05:47 AM

These games will be good for non gammers...paper mario will be tons of fun and probably pretty easy to play at first and then get harder as you progress...

Sorry I dont agree. It may appeal to 'casual gamers' but not the non gaming 40-50 year olds. They are not going to interested generally in a cutesy platformer with some weird plumbing thingy....

Wii sports was far more universally appealing as bowling is bowling.. Tenis is tenis etc, no matter who you are.

I know of two sets of non gamer couples both who have bought wii's for wii sports and for basic simple exercise. I cant envision them buying any of those titles listed other than possibly brain accademy.

twistedlegato

Mar 8, 2007, 06:50 AM

I want Cookin MAMA Cookout!!!!!

That game looked sooo much fun!

Anyway, and there any videos of the Pokémon for the Wii, if it has nice online im there, and Mario Party 8 should have online because it was pushed back!

MacRumorUser

Mar 8, 2007, 07:36 AM

eek. I'm not touching this thread with a barge-pole... oh wait I posted in it... aghhhhhh

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 07:41 AM

I've got doubts about the Pokemon Wii game. The GC versions were just shinier versions of the battle system in the DS games, and that just doesn't make a game good. theres nothing on a menu based RPG that can't be done on a DS with gameplay.

pilotError

Mar 8, 2007, 07:58 AM

I think there pissed because they missed the boat on the casual game market.

How many parents are going to drop $600 for a PS3 for a kid who only plays it once in a while? The kid then has to spend some serious time getting up to speed on some of these games. It becomes a mindless sinkhole...

At $250, you can pick up a Wii and play. Its for the person that doesn't want to invest weeks into gameplay to get a quick thrill.

The industry is evolving into serious gamer vs. casual gamer. I think this generation of consoles makes it pretty clear. I guess it was always the case where even the hardcore gamers use the DS as a quick thrill.

He has a point about the serious game market being an art form. Some of these games are simply amazing. But bashing the Wii for not being that makes him a bit of an A**hole. I'm surprised anybody with any reasonable intelligence let him get up on stage and say something like that. He's probably pissed, because his boss made him drop his latest "Art" and build stupid Wii games to pay the bills.

whooleytoo

Mar 8, 2007, 08:16 AM

This rant surprised me a lot. There's enough room in this world for "just fun" games as well as epic masterpieces, suggesting the Wii has to be dedicated to the latter is bizarre.

Having said that, I do think games are greatly undervalued as pieces of art, or expressions of modern culture. It wouldn't surprise me if the 'gaming Oscars' in a few years time are every bit as prestigious as their film equivalents.

jdechko

Mar 8, 2007, 08:33 AM

Breaks into song...

Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?

:)

Seriously, there's room enough in the sandbox for everyone to play, and the sandbox is continually growing. For my gaming dollar, I should get whatever the heck I want. I bought a Wii because I wanted one mostly, but I couldn't justify spending 400-600 on a video game console either. In a few years, though, I might even pick up a 360 if they come down in price enough (~200 for a premium).

gkarris

Mar 8, 2007, 09:08 AM

Breaks into song...

Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?

Because they don't want to?

High-Def needed for "art"? Some of those impressionist paintings over at the Art Institute don't have very much detail in them...:confused:

darkwing

Mar 8, 2007, 09:09 AM

Because they don't want to?

High-Def needed for "art"? Some of those impressionist paintings over at the Art Institute don't have very much detail in them...:confused:

And how many people really like those? I bet most people who do just say they do to get in some art major's pants!

Hey, that reminds me of a joke:

What do you do when an art/music major knocks at your door? Give them your money and take your pizza! :)

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 09:13 AM

The industry is evolving into serious gamer vs. casual gamer. I think this generation of consoles makes it pretty clear. I guess it was always the case where even the hardcore gamers use the DS as a quick thrill.

I think I'm classed as a hardcore gamer, or avid gamer (much nicer term). I spend the majority of my money and the majority of my free time on games. But I'm also hardcore in that higher resolutions don't do it for me as I was hardcore enough to have a PC that ran Quake and co. in 1024*768 back in the day, and played games like Rise of the Robots enough to tell me graphics=not maketh the gameth. I've got super rare games, even systems now (unopened Amiga 500 in attic).

Or does that make me an experienced gamer? The DS with Castlevania, Metroid Hunters, Tetris and Final Fantasy is my current vice.

aidanpendragon

Mar 8, 2007, 09:56 AM

He is one of the developers of Spore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_game) (a totally cool game I am looking forward to). Spore is supposed to be released on PC/Mac and all latest gen consoles.

Isn't Spore just a rip-off of EVO for SNES anyway? ;)

I've seen more developers (in line with the "GC can do RE4" theory) saying that they're surprised about the Wii's untapped hardware potential. Hell, was playing F-Zero GX last night and thought it looked great. The idea that "good=photorealistic" is not one that needs further debunking here. As for the AI...it's not like no consoles or PCs are sufficient for this guy's "art." Besides, Wii = $250, PS3 = $600, you get what you pay for.

EDIT: To jimmi, I think "hardcore" has evolved to mean you need the most expensive console/PC and highest-definition display on which to play FPSes and racers, and the cost & specs vary inversely with your social life & personal hygiene. :rolleyes: Although sending it up a bit, that seems to be the definition of both PS3 & Xbox current games and target audiences. You say that "graphics=not maketh the gameth" and admit to liking a Nintendo property (Metroid)? Definitely not hardcore! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 8, 2007, 10:12 AM

Isn't Spore just a rip-off of EVO for SNES anyway? ;)

Actually its a rip off of Tetris, PacMan, Diablo, Populous, SimCity, Civ/Risk, SimEarth, and Masters of Orion according to the developers:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?blog=1&img=1&path=2007/038/spore352_screen.jpg

Corrosive vinyl

Mar 8, 2007, 10:14 AM

I am totally enamored with this discussion... because it keeps happening in multiple threads... with the same people...

More and more people are getting it right. There are two kinds of gamers right now, the hardcore gamers and the gamers that plainly want to have fun doing whatever they think is fun.

Hardcore gamers are like one person I know who has a 360 and is probably going to mod it because he modded his X-box. He wants to get even more out of it then came in the box.

The gamers who want to have fun are like me and a few others I hang around that just enjoy games because they grew up playing games and love playing games, no special frills, just doing it because that is what they do, and that is what they like doing.

I am not a hardcore gamer because I don't have 2 grand to drop on the latest HDTV, I spent about 200 on a TV, and 600 dollars or 400 to drop on a game system i will play every so often. $250 is a bit more reasonable, but for now I can't afford it. I have better things to spend my money on, like food and rent. and yes... the PS3 costs about $230 more then my rent for an entire month. hmm.... what do you think is more important??

Right now I am enjoying my NES and my DS because that is what I can afford to do. I like playing games, but can't and won't go out and spend a fortune to do the exact same thing, but with flashier graphics and 100 more pixels per inch.

Redneck1089

Mar 8, 2007, 11:27 AM

Ha, I knew this would happen. The only reason why I purchased a Wii was for games like Mario and Zelda. I don't really expect anything else other than disappointment from that company now.

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 8, 2007, 11:33 AM

Lets keep the discussion on topic. If you want to talk about electric cars start a new thread.

darkwing

Mar 8, 2007, 11:36 AM

I started a thread in Community called "Electric vs Gasoline cars (from Wii is ***** thread) (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=285934)"

BydoEmpire

Mar 8, 2007, 11:38 AM

Gee, the Wii only has 17 games coming out in the next three months? Boo hoo. Super Paper Mario is a must-buy. SSX Blur just came out and it's a blast. I still haven't picked up Elebits or Excite Truck. Not to mention the steady stream of VC stuff. I wouldn't consider this a drought at all, althoguh I do realize people are still waiting for the "big guns" (Metroid, Mario Galaxy, SSB, etc).

zero2dash

Mar 8, 2007, 11:40 AM

Wii
April 9 Super Paper Mario Nintendo (top of my list)
April Prince of Persia Rival Swords Ubisoft (maybe buy)
April Bust-A-Move Bash Majesco (buy)
May 29 Mario Party 8 Nintendo (1st MP I'll buy)
June 11 Big Brain Academy Nintendo (definite buy)
June 25 Pokemon Battle Revolution Nintendo (probably buy)

Nintendo DS
April 22 Pokemon Diamond and Pokemon Pearl Nintendo (maybe)
May Pony Friends Eidos (my daughter...maybe)
May Diner Dash Eidos (my wife)
June 4 Planet Puzzle League Nintendo (definitely buy)

In the meantime I have all the games I have yet to finish, as well as 360 and Ps2 titles to buy. And Gamecube/DS/GBA if I get bored with all of those.

Ha, I knew this would happen. The only reason why I purchased a Wii was for games like Mario and Zelda. I don't really expect anything else other than disappointment from that company now.

Dismissing the system already as a disappointment and writing off Nintendo as a whole is a really dumb thing to do IMO.

Wow, some gamers have absolutely no patience whatsoever. Do you expect a new system to have 1,000 AAA games to buy and play the second it hits store shelves? Ridiculous. :rolleyes: Sure it sucks when a month or two goes by and there's not many releases, but that doesn't mean the system is a failure or has no future prospects.

Corrosive vinyl

Mar 8, 2007, 12:01 PM

wow... only 5 games until end of june...
how can anyone manage such a drought of games! ;)

risc

Mar 8, 2007, 02:03 PM

Drought?... coming?... am I missing something? Since launch in Australia there hasn't been a single Wii game worth buying (other than Wario)... the Wii is probably one of the lamest things I have ever bought. Wii Sports was great, Wario was great, Zelda was meh... and everything else... LMFAO!

BlizzardBomb

Mar 8, 2007, 02:13 PM

It's not a complete list... (http://www.tothegame.com/gamebrowse.asp?sort=release&letter=all&page=1&sortdir=asc&platform=wii&category=all&status=all&territory=us&image.x=37&image.y=8&image=submit)

Manhunt 2, Driver: Parallel Lines etc. are missing.

iLunar

Mar 8, 2007, 02:20 PM

What's with the stock thing and no announcements? I read about it briefly on some blog, but could not find any other information. Anyone know?

greatdevourer

Mar 8, 2007, 02:37 PM

Thank

God

Pokemon Diamond for me. I can't friggin wait. It's been what? 2001 since the last *new* Pokemon RPG? With them online abilities I doubt it will spend much time out of my DS this year, best get FF3 completed!
5 weeks away. 5 horrific weeks away. :D :D :D More Pokémon to fill the void that is my sad existence! I hope we get online vs battles :D

kakkoiimac

Mar 8, 2007, 02:43 PM

MacRumorUser
Come on nintendo you did a good job attracting a new audience with the Wii & Wii Sports - so why are you killing it with a less than attractive release schedule ?

I disagree...i think that the casual/new gamers only buy 2-3 titles a year so putting out a whole slew of games for them would be overkill. so just a few is ok i think. later this year we will have wii health and wii music, along with brain age, so i wouldnt worry about it. I have see alot of people complaining that nintendo is alienating the hardcore gamer...but that wouldnt appear so now I think.

Redneck1089

Mar 8, 2007, 02:46 PM

In the meantime I have all the games I have yet to finish, as well as 360 and Ps2 titles to buy. And Gamecube/DS/GBA if I get bored with all of those.

Dismissing the system already as a disappointment and writing off Nintendo as a whole is a really dumb thing to do IMO.

Wow, some gamers have absolutely no patience whatsoever. Do you expect a new system to have 1,000 AAA games to buy and play the second it hits store shelves? Ridiculous. :rolleyes: Sure it sucks when a month or two goes by and there's not many releases, but that doesn't mean the system is a failure or has no future prospects.

I'm dismissing it already not because of the current lack of games, but because there's a lack of games coming that are really worthwhile in my opinion. Great, we'll all wait half a year plus for Metroid and Mario Galaxy, but then what? Almost everything else looks like it's going to suck. Sadness and Diaster Day are the only games not made strickly by Nintendo that I think could be interesting, so I'm reserving judgement on them until they are closer to launch.

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 03:05 PM

:D :D :D More Pokémon to fill the void that is my sad existence! I hope we get online vs battles :D

There is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_Diamond. :)
Diamond and Pearl employ support for the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, allowing players to trade, battle and communicate through “voice chat” online.[5] The main system for trade is the Global Trade Station trading system. This allows players to search for any Pokémon they have seen on a worldwide scale, with the resulting list showing people around the world who are willing to trade that Pokémon, as well as the Pokémon they want in return for it.[10] The trade does not have to be instant and an offer can be left for other players to browse and complete, even while the player is offline. Some centers serve different purposes - one allows the player to enter battles against friends over an internet connection, while another allows the player to enter the Pokémon Union, a chat room in which the player can communicate with others on the player's Friends List.[11]

greatdevourer

Mar 8, 2007, 03:10 PM

There is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_Diamond. :) Yay! No more having to wait for the only person I know with Sapphire to get far enough! :p

zap2

Mar 8, 2007, 03:37 PM

This rant surprised me a lot. There's enough room in this world for "just fun" games as well as epic masterpieces,

Yup, to say LoZ:TP isn't a masterpiece would be foolish

MacRumorUser

Mar 8, 2007, 03:40 PM

Yup, to say LoZ:TP isn't a masterpiece would be foolish

especially in this forum ;)

sb58

Mar 8, 2007, 04:56 PM

i can't wait for the new Pokemon Game.

zap2

Mar 8, 2007, 05:43 PM

i can't wait for the new Pokemon Game.

I know...really pumped for it.

I'll pick uo Battle Rev for the Wii just for the support of the DS games :)

Oblivious

Mar 8, 2007, 05:58 PM

Looks like the only game I'll be buying is Super Paper Mario.:(

I'd like to get Mario Party 8, but lack of online is a deal-breaker. It's unacceptable at this point.

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 06:16 PM

I'd like to get Mario Party 8, but lack of online is a deal-breaker. It's unacceptable at this point.

Would sorta defeat the purpose of a "party".

Phobophobia

Mar 8, 2007, 07:20 PM

Would sorta defeat the purpose of a "party".
Who says you can't have a party by yourself? lol :D ;) :apple:

2nyRiggz

Mar 8, 2007, 07:29 PM

I might try MK and PoP...just to mix it up a bit. Too much nintendo titles makes me feel all boxed in.

Think I'm going to get Trauma center from my friend this week

Chone

Mar 8, 2007, 07:29 PM

i can't wait for the new Pokemon Game.

Indeed, New Super Mario Bros. (even though I've played it a lot already :p) and Pokemon Diamond/Pearl are THIS close to making me buy a DS Lite.

The DS is a very nice handheld, Pokemon alone will carry it through the drought and there are always 2004/2005/2006 games to play.

I'm not so sure of the Wii though.

zap2

Mar 8, 2007, 07:55 PM

Or is it?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/spore-developer-chris-hecker-apologizes-for-calling-the-wii-a-piece-of-****-242822.php

I don't know who has read the internet, yesterday. In a [unintelligible] panel I said a bunch of things. I was trying to be thought provoking and entertaining and fun and a lot of the stuff went too far over the top—on the entertaining and fun side, so that it was no longer thought provoking, just inflammatory. And in the process I hurt a bunch of people I care about. And so, I want to apologize now.
When I'm on stage, I'm me. I'm talking talk from me. From me. I'm not representing EA or Maxis.

I want to make two things perfectly clear.

I do not think the Wii is a piece of ****. Nintendo needs to be applauded for trying to interface on the controller front, the user interface front, on making games accessible, on making a console that you don't need to mortgage your house to afford.

Secondly, tt's totally obvious—and I'm sorry that I implied otherwise—that everyone at Nintendo is passionate at making great games. Some of the games give me hope that we will be seen as an art form on par with movies and books.

Agilus

Mar 8, 2007, 07:59 PM

Or is it?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/spore-developer-chris-hecker-apologizes-for-calling-the-wii-a-piece-of-****-242822.php

LOL - What a fricken' idiot.

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 08:01 PM

Or is it?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/spore-developer-chris-hecker-apologizes-for-calling-the-wii-a-piece-of-****-242822.php

This thread deserves a title change now ;)

e²Studios

Mar 8, 2007, 08:02 PM

LOL - What a fricken' idiot.

This is corporate politics at its best. What a sellout, he should have stood his ground. I really doubt the apology is in earnest and more in the "i want to keep my job" sort of way.

Ed

Agilus

Mar 8, 2007, 08:08 PM

This is corporate politics at its best. What a sellout, he should have stood his ground. I really doubt the apology is in earnest and more in the "i want to keep my job" sort of way.

Ed

I agree. He's an idiot. :)

bobber205

Mar 8, 2007, 08:30 PM

WTF? No online in 2007? Isn't the pokemon game online?
And what about SSBB?

plinkoman

Mar 8, 2007, 08:36 PM

WTF? No online in 2007? Isn't the pokemon game online?
And what about SSBB?

it's not "no online games in 07'", it's "probably no third party online games in 07'" as speculated by the president of snk.

I'm assuming you meant to post in the other thread?

2nyRiggz

Mar 8, 2007, 08:59 PM

I came across this....Is wii hating starting to brew?

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/02/23/god-of-war-dev-thinks-wii-gets-boring-quickly/

Bless

Dagless

Mar 8, 2007, 09:02 PM

Quasi-first party Sony dev saying something bad about the Wii?

e²Studios

Mar 8, 2007, 09:15 PM

Upon getting the gift and opening it, Cory contributes "It was fun...but the wow factor wore off fairly quick."

My how the tides turn :p

Ed

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 9, 2007, 04:24 PM

http://wii.ign.com/articles/771/771051p1.html?RSSwhen2007-03-07_111900&RSSid=771051

It's interesting to hear more and more developers complaining about the Wii. Square complained about the Wii codes (i think others did too), SNK with the lack of online till 2008, and there has been other complaints from developers in the past. The Wii does lack power, though i don't expect anyone here to actually admit that they realize that.

Quite the rant. GDC is turning out to be rather interesting this year.

Ed

What this guy fails to understand is that Nintendo is not targeting the same market that 360 and PS3 are. Nintendo is trying to appeal to their traditional market (women and children) and add to their market by adding casual gamers and people who never considered video games before now. These people most likely won't buy a PS3 or 360 because they don't consider themselves hardcore enough, but would buy a more friendly system even though it isn't as graphically stunning as it's competitors. I have a 360 and a Wii. All the cross platform and hardcore games I play on the 360, and when I need a break I have the Wii for Nintendo exclusives and games with a lighter tone. Nintendo must be doing something right because they are massively outselling PS3 and remain sold out everywhere while PS3 collects dust on store shelves. Those numbers are too great to be coming from the fanboy crowd alone, so their appeal to non-gamers must be working.

SpankyPenzaanz

Mar 9, 2007, 04:41 PM

Nintendo is not targeting the same market that 360 and PS3 are.

sony says "Just wait for it" (whatever it maybe - Home looks a bit gimmicky dats right i said it)

MS says "we have live and halo"

These seem to be the battle cries from the respective camps

Corrosive vinyl

Mar 9, 2007, 04:52 PM

exactly.. the wii was made to attract gamers from 20-30 years ago that don't get the new style games. Nintendo wants "everyone in the family" to play their console.
Of course the hardcore nintendo gamers are going to get the wii. The hardcore PS and x-box gamers are going to get their respective systems, but who else? I personally can't see myself spending that much money on a video game system($300 for a core 360 and $500 for base PS3). Right now $250 seems a bit too much. Nintendo is trying to get a much broader base which seems to be working because it is very hard to get the system.

Dead EditHer

Mar 11, 2007, 06:42 AM

You guys are forgetting the most important aspect of this arguement, actual games for the console. Games are what actually sell consoles, not some gimmicky user interface, the only way the wii really blows up is if they get games that really make use of the wiimote, not just ports of major 3rd party titles(Splinter cELL and Godfather on wii are a joke). Wii returns at my BBY have been increasing a bit in the laast few months(but they still are only less than 5% of total store returns), number one reason for returns, no games. Most people I've talked to say they only play Wii Sports or maybe Zelda if they haven't grown tired of it. I'll make a bold predicition, if Nintendo can't get Super Mario Galaxy out this year, then the Wil WILL be doomed, since this particular title is probably why a good majority of Wii owners actually bought a console. Personal thoughts, I've tried the Wii, and it seems more fit for an Arcade game than a home console, but I digress.

Dead EditHer

Mar 11, 2007, 07:00 AM

mkaake

Mar 11, 2007, 07:26 AM

Nintendo is intentionally holding back on flooding the market b/c they still want demand to be unbelievbly high for their machine. You want proof, just about every other thread in this forum is about the wii in one form or another. If no one cared about the wii, then the market would be oversaturated with consoles. Before you start flaming me for this comment, keep in mind I work at a Best Buy in N.O. and I know perfectly well what Nintendo is up to with their marketing strageties.

No, you're a retail sales employee who works at a store making up less than 1/10000th of the distribution channel for the Wii.

No offense, but it's awfully old hearing armchair experts determine what Nintendo's manufacturing capacity is, and how they could/could-not do this, do that, retool this line, retool that line, when it's obvious that none of the people speaking on the issue have

a) an understanding of the manufacturing industry, and
b) any factual information about the inner workings of Nintendo to back it up.

There is probably a limited number of people inside of Nintendo that have enough of the full picture to understand these issues, but it seems like everyone feels themselves an expert on the topic...

FireArse

Mar 11, 2007, 08:45 AM

Hey all,

Just to give a heads up of what its like for Wii's in London.

I decided to buy a Wii on Tuesday. Fortunately I walk past a Game store daily (Victoria Place) and the guys said there that I should go in and ask if they'll get any that day. (They get daily updates) When they get some in, they are first come, first served from 12:00 midday.

I walked past on weds, thurs with no luck. Friday, they said they'd be getting some in, but wouldnt tell me how many. Anyway, I showed up at midday (flexi-time is great) and the whole store was full of people wanting Wii's. My God.

I got one, but they had no extra Wii-Motes. After work, I walked all over the West End in search of an extra Wii-Mote. NOBODY had any. Game, HMV, even Hamley's didnt have any. My last ditch attempt to get one resulted in me walking to Tottenham Court Road to the HUGE Virgin MegaStore. The guy said they got one in from another store that morning - but I expected it to have been gone by half 5 in the evening.

I got one :) but by God was it hard work. But Jesus its worth it :D Keep trying Game stores. I reckon they were alloted at least 15 on Friday.

NFL rocks. I'll get Zelda when my brother finished his last exam this summer. Rayman is so randomn - but great fun nonetheless :)

Good luck all, it is worth it in the end!

F

n-abounds

Mar 11, 2007, 09:29 AM

Chicago better start getting them. I need one for spring break (March 29).

zap2

Mar 11, 2007, 09:51 AM

Chone

Mar 11, 2007, 10:57 AM

DeathChill

Mar 11, 2007, 01:05 PM

I love the downfall that almost everyone who has a PS3 or XBox 360 predicts for the Wii. For some reason the fact that the Wii has outsold the PS3 by a heck of a lot and is quickly catching up to the XBox 360 must mean imminent doom.

At this point Nintendo has already won. They're NOT losing any money on their consoles so those are at least partially profitable while the games are bringing even more money in. This is a major plus considering many analysts are saying that there may be no PS4 due to the problems with the PS3's launch.

That's not to say that the other consoles aren't good, it's just silly to predict the downfall of the Wii just yet.

MacRumorUser

Mar 11, 2007, 01:09 PM

it's just silly to predict the downfall of the Wii just yet.

Or generalise about PS3 & 360 owners.

I love the downfall that everyone who has a PS3 or XBox 360 predicts for the Wii.

DeathChill

Mar 11, 2007, 01:24 PM

Obviously this is an artificial shortage, it doesn't take much to mass produce technology from 5 years ago, I bet the yields Nintendo gets on the CPU and GPU are probably close to OR 100%. There is nothing in the wiimotes or the game media or anything that would make the Wii difficult to produce, its just a cube.

After reading the response from Nintendo officials, its obvious they are not delivering enough Wiis on purpose.
Not entirely sure of the point of that considering that they are actually making money on the Wii. It's obvious there's a demand and Nintendo even said that the supply shortages should be ending soon (spring I believe) so why hold them back? 5.2 million units is a lot of units to have shipped, which would be an awfully large number if you were 'holding them back'.

DeathChill

Mar 11, 2007, 01:27 PM

Or generalise about PS3 & 360 owners.

Oh darn, I'm sorry. I forgot the almost. I didn't actually mean that EVERY single PS3 and XBox 360 owner thinks/states it. Regardless, the same point stands now that I've made the modification. I don't quite understand why everyone thinks the Wii is suddenly going to curl up and die.

MacRumorUser

Mar 11, 2007, 01:32 PM

Oh darn, I'm sorry. I forgot the almost. I didn't actually mean that EVERY single PS3 and XBox 360 owner thinks/states it. Regardless, the same point stands now that I've made the modification. I don't quite understand why everyone thinks the Wii is suddenly going to curl up and die.

The same reason some fanatics are saying the ps3 will fail etc. It appears the balance between thinking and posting goes wrong and we end up with statements that clearly have no basis in logic.

Realistically - all three consoles are not going anywhere - anytime soon. There is more than enough room in an ever-expanding marketplace for three consoles.

All three consoles can live quite happily side by side. It's just a shame some of the owners can't.

:)

DeathChill

Mar 11, 2007, 01:40 PM

The same reason some fanatics are saying the ps3 will fail etc. It appears the balance between thinking and posting goes wrong and we end up with statements that clearly have no basis in logic.

Realistically - all three consoles are not going anywhere - anytime soon. There is more than enough room in an ever-expanding marketplace for three consoles.

All three consoles can live quite happily side by side. It's just a shame some of the owners can't.

:)
I agree. All three companies have deep enough pockets to keep their consoles going regardless of what it costs them.

I honestly don't understand why almost everyone has to pick a side in it. I own a Wii but I love the PS3's graphics and would love to play R:FoM as I would also love to play Gears Of War for the 360. I just want to play what's interesting to me, I don't want to have to say that I only like the Wii or I only like the PS3 or what not.

Personally, I believe thatt the Wii is going to come away the winner in terms of sales and profitability this generation, not the pure power of the console but the amount of money it makes its parent company.

2nyRiggz

Mar 11, 2007, 02:07 PM

^I'm guessing you are new to the gaming board...don't worry you are forgiven. Like MRU said "blah blah blah":)

This is the way it goes at the gaming section of MR and I don't see it stoping anytime soon so just put on your seatbelt and enjoy the ever so annoying flame ride.

Bless

GFLPraxis

Mar 11, 2007, 02:32 PM

The same reason some fanatics are saying the ps3 will fail etc. It appears the balance between thinking and posting goes wrong and we end up with statements that clearly have no basis in logic.

The difference with the PS3, though, is that sales numbers are weak and the company is actually losing significant money.

Predicting the death of the console that is currently in the most demand and very profitable is one thing; predicting the death of the console that is in least demand and in the red, with very bad PR is quite another.

Regardless, I don't think the PS3 is going to die. However, I question whether it will actually become significantly profitable, or if it will barely break even (or even take a loss like the XBox did). I do think it'll be the least-selling console of this generation (a la GameCube, which didn't die, it just lost a lot of support and got third place), but this is just a prediction.

e²Studios

Mar 11, 2007, 02:35 PM

but this is just a prediction.

You forgot to add the word "biased" in there.

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 11, 2007, 05:14 PM

I camped out at Best Buy at the end of January to get one. That is still the only way. The retailers are saving them up and then releasing them on like 3-4 week schedules. Go to the website of the retailer you plan on camping on Saturday night and check the online sale circular. They usually update them between midnight and 3AM. When the most recent circular appears, check for a Wii advertisement. It usually will say if they will have them that week and say something like "minimum 20 pieces per store". As soon as you see that Wii ad, get off your butt and run down to the store and camp. If other people start showing up and getting out of their cars, then move over to the entrance as fast as you can to be sure you get a place near the front of the line. The stores usually hand out numbers or bracelets or something similar about an hour before the store opens. If you aren't near the front of the line by then, forget it, it's over. You have to have dedication to get a Wii. If you aren't dedicated enough to lose a nights sleep, then you have no right to complain that the 50 people who showed up at 1AM and stood there for 8 hours or more went home with everything.

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 11, 2007, 05:22 PM

okay...thats why during christmas they were going for 2000 ya right....and thats just on a few cases are you saying there are no ps3's for the price i said.. im not lieing..there are also wii's for cheap as well

What you didn't see is the fact that most of those high priced PS3 sales never went through. I read an article about it that said one person with like 3 feedbacks sniped 20 or 30 of them at the same time and never paid for any of them. There were other examples were PS3 sales finished high but were never paid for, as well. I laugh now when I think of the unemployed guy in Connecticut who got shot waiting in line to buy 6 of them. He had to pay his hospital bills and then couldn't even sell the PS3's he bought to cover any of it. :D

Dagless

Mar 11, 2007, 06:04 PM

I love the holding back FUD :D They must really be holding back the Gamecubes, PSPs, PS3s...

zero2dash

Mar 12, 2007, 09:20 AM

JDN

Mar 12, 2007, 09:38 AM

Cassie

Mar 12, 2007, 09:39 AM

Cassie: If there is overstock there, you could make a decent amount of money putting them on ebay. There are a lot of people who want them in other areas, you could help move that stock and make some decent profit in the process! :)

I would, but I just bought a $350 iBook, so there won't be any cash flow for a while.:rolleyes:

Coded-Dude

Mar 12, 2007, 11:25 AM

You know, when this happened at the Ps2 launch near Christmas and people went ape$#!t, I don't recall anyone anywhere ever complaining, shouting to the heavens "it's an artificial shortage!!!".

There is no artificial shortage. Get over it. :rolleyes:

Yeah..........thats because Sony had KNOWN production issues. (bad comparison)
Ninty has no known issues and no real excuse to NOT ramp up production, but you guys are enjoying the sold out status and the headlines.

jeremy.king

Mar 12, 2007, 01:09 PM

Shipping was $39.95 on the $150 Wii that didn't sell

Ed, you need to look a little closer at your $150 auction...It didn't go unsold...It was ended early by the seller due to an error (probably because of conflicting shipping charges) and relisted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180093223651

Only $162.50 right now plus $100+ to ship to my house :rolleyes:

mkaake

Mar 12, 2007, 03:14 PM

Obviously this is an artificial shortage, it doesn't take much to mass produce technology from 5 years ago, I bet the yields Nintendo gets on the CPU and GPU are probably close to OR 100%. There is nothing in the wiimotes or the game media or anything that would make the Wii difficult to produce, its just a cube.

After reading the response from Nintendo officials, its obvious they are not delivering enough Wiis on purpose.

And obviously, electronics factories have unlimited capability to produce, produce, produce!

Who cares if you think it's technology from 5 years ago, it takes time to produce. And just because you want more parts delivered doesn't mean that you have the ability to get more parts delivered!

Goodness. No understanding of manufacturing *at all*. Just because you have demand doesn't mean you can meet it.

What's more, all of your claims are completely baseless. I've yet to see any solid numbers on Nintendo's production capacity as well as the production capacity of all of the manufacturers supplying them with product. They've shipped over 5 million units in less than 4 months time...

Coded-Dude

Mar 12, 2007, 05:38 PM

Following reports that American exec Perrin Kaplin said the company was no longer going to produce GameCube units and first-party software titles Nintendo have come back to deny it.

The latest release says that the Japanese giant still supports the console on a global basis.

A spokesperson for Nintendo UK said, "I can confirm that globally, Nintendo is still continuing production of GameCube hardware and GameCube software".

Retailers have reported a resurgence of Gamecube sales following the launch of the Wii, which enjoys backward compatibility of Gamecube titles. source (http://www.gamesdog.co.uk/news/news.phtml/6254/7278/gamecube-nintendo-discontinuation.phtml)
Maybe thats why, although you'd think they'd only be seeing a surge in GameCube games. I think that bolded statement is rather absurd, if they are talking about hardware....because reported numbers tell a different story.
34,000 sold in Jan 07 in US
compared to
66,000 sold in Jan 06 in US

2,700 sold in Jan 07 in JPN
compared to
40,000 sold in Jan 06 in JPN

There was a slight surge during the holiday season, but that quickly dwindled.

Most companies with the INABILITY to meet demand have had production issues.
Is Ninty keeping tight-lipped about a production issue they may/may not be having.
Or do they believe their current capacity is solid enough.

Sony admittedly had issues, but have also come out to say they are already improving production and increasing output. If Sony can do so with more complicated hardware(to produce)......what is nintendo waiting on?

mkaake

Mar 12, 2007, 06:40 PM

source (http://www.gamesdog.co.uk/news/news.phtml/6254/7278/gamecube-nintendo-discontinuation.phtml)
Maybe thats why, although you'd think they'd only be seeing a surge in GameCube games. I think that bolded statement is rather absurd, if they are talking about hardware....because reported numbers tell a different story.
34,000 sold in Jan 07 in US
compared to
66,000 sold in Jan 06 in US

2,700 sold in Jan 07 in JPN
compared to
40,000 sold in Jan 06 in JPN

There was a slight surge during the holiday season, but that quickly dwindled.

Most companies with the INABILITY to meet demand have had production issues.
Is Ninty keeping tight-lipped about a production issue they may/may not be having.
Or do they believe their current capacity is solid enough.

Sony admittedly had issues, but have also come out to say they are already improving production and increasing output. If Sony can do so with more complicated hardware(to produce)......what is nintendo waiting on?

How many has Sony shipped? In any event, we don't really know how much of a difference there is between how much Sony can produce, and how much Nintendo can produce - especially since the demand for the PS3 isn't exactly outstripping supply.

If I had to bet, I'd say that Nintendo is running at full capacity right now, and that the capacity they're set to run is based on long term requirements for production... i.e. they didn't add a production line (and all of the tooling and machinery that goes along with it) that they know they wouldn't utilize 6 months down the road. It makes for a somewhat constricted start, as a console will almost always be in its highest demand the first 6-9 months of it's life, but it keeps them from biting the big one a year and a half from now, when demand calms down and remains relatively stable.

It's a risk - enough shortages, and people get ticked off. But if you can keep the consoles flowing just enough... it's worth it in not throwing money at a production line you'd have to close down in several months time.

There's a lot more to increasing production than throwing a magical "+30%" switch, and watching the new units flow in...

Coded-Dude

Mar 12, 2007, 06:53 PM

Sony has shipped 4 million PlayStation 3 consoles and is still on target to meet its goal of 6 million shipped by March 31
As announced last month......of course that number is, unlike Nintendo's, drastically different than "sold."
(ninty shipped/sold 4-5 million while Sony has shipped 4 million and sold considerably less than that)
We all know there are way more PS3's on shelves than there are Wii's, so lets not discuss sales....keep it to produced/shipped.

I realize that the capacity and price involved to produce such an electronic device is relatively high.
HOWEVER, with current shortage trends, and no announced increased output........who's to say how long this "sold out" trend will really last.
Zelda was a killer seller for Wii, and there are several others in the pipe.
Honestly, I think it would have benefited Ninty to cut GC production(to a bare minumum) and increase Wii production as much as possible.

Its even MORE of a waste if demand stays high and they decide to invest in increased production......it will be even shorter than you previously mentioned.
Whereas they could have gambled and been enjoying even higher sales due to higher demand all along.

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 08:06 AM

atari1356

Mar 13, 2007, 09:09 AM

Nintendo just capitalizes on yesterday's hardware. They're an industry parasite, and not a contributor. At all.

I'm sure millions of Wii owners would beg to differ... do you think Microsoft and Sony are the industry innovators, when all they've really done is offer better graphics to the same old games? At least Nintendo is trying something different.

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 09:35 AM

Not only is it the same ol controller tech, but it's the same ol graphics capabilities of the 90s! Go Nintendo! Push the industry forward!

Really? I wasn't aware that controllers with sensors that detect movement on multiple planes and axis' existed before now!

/sarcasm :rolleyes:

Nintendo just capitalizes on yesterday's hardware. They're an industry parasite, and not a contributor. At all.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's not like they didn't invent the analog stick that is standard on every controller nowadays. Or rumble.

Maybe you should wake up and smell the coffee and accept the fact that without Nintendo saving the video game industry in the 80s, there would be no Playstation. But they're a parasite that doesn't innovate and doesn't contribute.

Please pass me some of what you're smoking because that must be some grade A pharmaceutical $#!t. :cool:

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 10:06 AM

Really? I wasn't aware that controllers with sensors that detect movement on multiple planes and axis' existed before now!

/sarcasm :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's not like they didn't invent the analog stick that is standard on every controller nowadays. Or rumble.

Maybe you should wake up and smell the coffee and accept the fact that without Nintendo saving the video game industry in the 80s, there would be no Playstation. But they're a parasite that doesn't innovate and doesn't contribute.

Please pass me some of what you're smoking because that must be some grade A pharmaceutical $#!t. :cool:

I'm not smoking anything because you stole it! :(

Nintendo was awesome up until the N64. I loved the SNES and it will undoubtedly remain my favorite console of all time. As the old saying goes... what have they done for me lately?

Yes Microsoft and Sony innovate. They found a way to pack a ton of power into two small boxes that sell for a reasonable price (when compared to a mega gaming PC) and have set the development standard/techniques for the next 4-5 years on that hardware as far as console games go. Nintendo didn't create squat.. they just resurrected their old hardware. :rolleyes:

As the old saying goes... "what have you done for me lately?" :D

Another thing that just occurred to me... you Nintendo fans are all so full of hypocrisy. Nintendo saves the industry and innovates.. please. Where were they in the 90s? Sony went with CD, and then finally DVD. Nintendo didn't. They stuck to carts. Sony had optical audio on the PS2, but where was it on the GC? Sony's bad for making UMD, a proprietary format... but Nintendo, which made a proprietary format for the GC, is great!

Nintendo is great because they innovated in the 80s, but Sony doesn't innovate even though Nintendo was behind the times through the 90s.

I guess if Nintendo is good for what they did in the 80s and will always be good, then the same should be said for Sony.

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 10:43 AM

Another thing that just occurred to me... you Nintendo fans are all so full of hypocrisy. Nintendo saves the industry and innovates.. please.

Oh, so I guess the video game crash of '83 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983) never happened then, did it? Guess you better go edit that Wikipedia page and/or have it removed since it's false history that never occurred.

Wow, I'm a Nintendo fan now. Well, I guess I can accept that, if being called a Nintendo fan is what I get for being able to see the forest from the trees.

I'll repeat: without Nintendo saving the video game market in the 80's, there would be no Playstation. No Playstation 1, no Playstation 2, no Playstation Portable, no Playstation 3.

Where were they in the 90s? Sony went with CD, and then finally DVD. Nintendo didn't. They stuck to carts.

Yes, because bulky add on cd-based systems (TurboCD, SegaCD) did so well, didn't they? :rolleyes:

Educate yourself. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System#Peripherals)
During the SNES's life, Nintendo contracted with two different companies to develop a CD-ROM-based peripheral for the console to compete with Sega's CD-Rom based addon, Sega CD. Ultimately, negotiations with both Sony and Philips fell through, and the two companies went on to develop their own consoles based on their initial dealings with Nintendo (the PlayStation and the CD-i respectively), Philips also gaining the right to release a series of CD-i titles based on popular Nintendo franchises.

Nintendo tried to do a cd add-on for the Super Famicom/SNES. Plans never came to fruition, whether it was because no deal was able to be reached, or they saw how poorly the competition's cd add-ons did and decided against it. But let's get a party together with pitchforks and storm their HQ for refusing to abandon a format that works!

Sony had optical audio on the PS2, but where was it on the GC? Sony's bad for making UMD, a proprietary format... but Nintendo, which made a proprietary format for the GC, is great!

...because we all know that optical audio is essential to an enjoyable gaming experience. :rolleyes: /sarcasm

UMD was/is frowned upon because they tried to do more with it than games (and have ultimately failed).

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 10:53 AM

Oh, so I guess the video game crash of '83 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983) never happened then, did it? Guess you better go edit that Wikipedia page and/or have it removed since it's false history that never occurred.

I never said it didn't. I already said I agreed with you that Nintendo was great in the 80s.

You Sony fans are all the same; you bite the hand that feeds. I'll repeat: without Nintendo saving the video game market in the 80's, there would be no Playstation. No Playstation 1, no Playstation 2, no Playstation Portable, no Playstation 3.

Uh, yeah... ok. This argument makes no sense at all. There wasn't a market for motion sensing controllers for 20 years, and now there is one. What makes you think if there were no home consoles for a few years somebody wouldn't make a better one? :rolleyes:

Yes, because bulky add on cd-based systems (TurboCD, SegaCD) did so well, didn't they? :rolleyes:

I guess I didn't communicate well. I'm referring to the PS1 using CDs and the N64 using carts. We all know what a failure the N64 was. I wasn't talking about add-ons.

...because we all know that optical audio is essential to an enjoyable gaming experience. :rolleyes: /sarcasm

I guess it must be. Look at the GC and the Wii! Oh wait, that would actually enter fact and logic into your argument. :rolleyes:

UMD was/is frowned upon because they tried to do more with it than games (and have ultimately failed).

UMD movies were stupid. I never bought one. Even used ones for $4. I don't like movies though, so I figure I'm an odd case. However, UMD has also been criticized for its small size and poor load times. I think load times were a trade-off for battery life, though. UMD actually has more capacity than GC discs, but the GC had great load times.

mrgreen4242

Mar 13, 2007, 11:07 AM

I never said it didn't. I already said I agreed with you that Nintendo was great in the 80s.

Uh, yeah... ok. This argument makes no sense at all. There wasn't a market for motion sensing controllers for 20 years, and now there is one. What makes you think if there were no home consoles for a few years somebody wouldn't make a better one? :rolleyes:

I guess I didn't communicate well. I'm referring to the PS1 using CDs and the N64 using carts. We all know what a failure the N64 was. I wasn't talking about add-ons.

I guess it must be. Look at the GC and the Wii! Oh wait, that would actually enter fact and logic into your argument. :rolleyes:

UMD movies were stupid. I never bought one. Even used ones for $4. I don't like movies though, so I figure I'm an odd case. However, UMD has also been criticized for its small size and poor load times. I think load times were a trade-off for battery life, though. UMD actually has more capacity than GC discs, but the GC had great load times.

I wouldn't call the N64 a failure at all. It produced some of the greatest games of all time. It didn't move as many units as the PS but it did make a profit and did move gaming forward (analog stick + amazing games).

Like it or not, Sony is getting hammered by Nintendo right now. They are moving way less product, making way less money, and getting way less attention in all things gaming related. Whether you agree is irrelevant, the majority of gamers seem to have spoken. In any case, not sure what your animosity against Nintendo is. Do you work for Sony and are afraid of losing your job?

Back to the original topic, this is pretty neat and all, but I don't really see it catching on until it's small, cheap, quick to setup and easy to store (like a controller). Not sure how it could be done, but I just can't see myself buying a helmet thingy, putting it on when I want to play a game, storing it somewhere (doesn't look very compact), etc. Move in the right direction, and I think it will have application elsewhere... like a sensor to detect how calm "amped up" a player is that's built into the controller they are holding, for example.

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 11:13 AM

Like it or not, Sony is getting hammered by Nintendo right now. They are moving way less product, making way less money, and getting way less attention in all things gaming related. Whether you agree is irrelevant, the majority of gamers seem to have spoken. In any case, not sure what your animosity against Nintendo is. Do you work for Sony and are afraid of losing your job?

I would never deny that Sony is getting hammered by Nintendo right now, at least in terms of Wii vs PS3. Sony will continue to lose money until the losses on the PS3 are made up for. It's their business decision, and we'll see if it works for them.

My animosity against Nintendo is they aren't doing anything (and haven't been since the 90s) to move the industry forward. They are great on the business end of things because they can sell product in mass quantities, (GBA/DS so far, Wii probably) but they apparently aren't capable of making anything powerful. I want new technology and advances in old designs. I want better hardware that can do more faster. Nintendo isn't providing this. Microsoft and Sony are.

I personally feel the Wii will be another N64 and a GC, because Nintendo is building consoles for 2001 and not 2010.

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 12:21 PM

My animosity against Nintendo is they aren't doing anything (and haven't been since the 90s) to move the industry forward.

So a controller design that has never been done before isn't "moving forward". But I guess that the Sixaxis is though, isn't it. Even though it doesn't have rumble.

They are great on the business end of things because they can sell product in mass quantities, (GBA/DS so far, Wii probably) but they apparently aren't capable of making anything powerful.

They're capable of making whatever they want and working with whomever they want. What's a Wii but a couple IBM and ATi chips, both of which are in other "more powerful" consoles at the moment.

Nintendo chooses to build their products at a lower cost, thereby saving consumers money and helping them earn money. But I guess they could be careless, throw caution to the wind, and dump several hundreds of dollars down the drain per console sold like the other two are doing. (Or did, since the 360 is now making Microsoft money.) I mean, why make money when you can get into a pissing contest over 'wh0*s got the best r350luti0n' and throw money away?

I want new technology and advances in old designs. I want better hardware that can do more faster. Nintendo isn't providing this. Microsoft and Sony are.

So don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet.

I guarantee they'll be fine without your console dollar.

I personally feel the Wii will be another N64 and a GC, because Nintendo is building consoles for 2001 and not 2010.

By your estimation then, Nintendo will make a ton of money and they'll be around for awhile longer. Since financially - the N64 and Gamecube were successes to Nintendo and their investors.

And again - I didn't know the Wiimote technology was implemented in other products [namely in 2001]. :rolleyes:

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 12:35 PM

So a controller design that has never been done before isn't "moving forward". But I guess that the Sixaxis is though, isn't it. Even though it doesn't have rumble.

I don't like motion in games, so I prefer the dual shock 2. The SIXAXIS is enough just like a Wii without online play at launch is enough.

They're capable of making whatever they want and working with whomever they want. What's a Wii but a couple IBM and ATi chips, both of which are in other "more powerful" consoles at the moment.

You should mention this to all the MBP owners who want an X1800 instead of a X1600 in their MBPs. :rolleyes:

PS3 has nvidia, btw.

So don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet.

I guarantee they'll be fine without your console dollar.

I bought a GC and that sure didn't do too great.

By your estimation then, Nintendo will make a ton of money and they'll be around for awhile longer. Since financially - the N64 and Gamecube were successes to Nintendo and their investors.

And again - I didn't know the Wiimote technology was implemented in other products [namely in 2001]. :rolleyes:

Nintendo will always be around. I never said they wouldn't. The Wiimote technology has been around since the 70s. Tried, tested, and failed.

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 12:57 PM

PS3 has nvidia, btw.

Yes, and all three have IBM chips and the 360 has an ATi chipset.
If you want to get specific, then ok - one of the more powerful consoles has the same manufacturing chipset brands, the 360.

I bought a GC and that sure didn't do too great.

Sounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube) like it did alright to me.
Units sold 21.52 million (As of December 2006)[1]

The Wiimote technology has been around since the 70s. Tried, tested, and failed.

Got a link to back that up?
Considering that the patent was filed April 17, 2006 (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20070049374&OS=20070049374&RS=20070049374) and (unless you prove otherwise) there hasn't been any controller technology that sensed x movement, y movement, moving closer/moving farther away movement, as well as accelerometers...doesn't sound like "it's been around since the 70s" therefore how is it "tried, tested, and failed" ? :rolleyes:

Oneness

Mar 13, 2007, 12:58 PM

I liked the N64.
Maybe it didn't set the world on fire but it produced two of the best games ever (IMHO) - Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64.

darkwing

Mar 13, 2007, 01:11 PM

Yes, and all three have IBM chips and the 360 has an ATi chipset.
If you want to get specific, then ok - one of the more powerful consoles has the same manufacturing chipset brands, the 360.

So if I have a Chevrolet Cavalier, I really have a powerful car because Chevrolet makes a vette? Got it.

[/QUOTE]Got a link to back that up?
Considering that the patent was filed April 17, 2006 (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20070049374&OS=20070049374&RS=20070049374) and (unless you prove otherwise) there hasn't been any controller technology that sensed x movement, y movement, moving closer/moving farther away movement, as well as accelerometers...doesn't sound like "it's been around since the 70s" therefore how is it "tried, tested, and failed" ? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Don't need a link. Been posted tons of times. Motion sensing for ataris, for crying out loud. So Nintendo combined accelerometers with pointing. It's just a combination of two different things. Tons of motion stuff has been tried, and none of it ever took off. Nintendo found a gimmick to try and sell an underpowered console. That's all.

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 01:20 PM

So if I have a Chevrolet Cavalier, I really have a powerful car because Chevrolet makes a vette? Got it.

Do you even read posts before replying with FUD or other offtopic nonsense?

You said "Nintendo can't make powerful consoles", I said they could. You act like it's some mystifying feat that Nintendo doesn't get and somehow, they can't figure out how to make a powerful system. "Oh noes!! they have IBM and ATi chips just like the 360 but Nintendo couldn't have told IBM and ATi to get them more power! 'Nintendo r teh suk'

Don't need a link. Been posted tons of times. Motion sensing for ataris, for crying out loud. So Nintendo combined accelerometers with pointing. It's just a combination of two different things. Tons of motion stuff has been tried, and none of it ever took off. Nintendo found a gimmick to try and sell an underpowered console. That's all.

I get it now.
A) You don't have a link because one doesn't exist, therefore
B) You're just spreading FUD

C) Say it with me: "I was wrong". Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :rolleyes:

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 01:53 PM

I vote for a thread name change to 'my ego is bigger than your ego' :D

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:19 PM

Let me start by saying - I have a PS3 and its a great machine before I get flamed.

Now we all know from history the demand for a console at launch is usually it's peak of desirability, but I'm concerned a little for Sony with its forthcoming Euro launch.

Most of the online retailers are 'guaranteeing' your PS3 pre-order for launch day, and are still promising the same for pre-orders even at this late stage.

Now I realize some folks on here will suddenly say its because Sony have ramped up production and are so amazing that they totally have complete control over the demand and supply issue.

But... I don't buy that at all.

A) Either demand is 'unprecedented' meaning you didn't expect as much or B) you can 'guarantee delivery of ALL pre-orders'.

The two do not really co-exist together.

My local Gamestop has 2 pre-orders currently (and over 15 names on the wii back-order list) and Smyths have 3 pre-orders. That's pretty dire at this late stage with release only 2 weeks away.

I'm starting to really believe that current demand and pre-orders are NOT anything like what Sony or Retailers would want (hence free cables, reduced priced first party titles etc... all being thrown in already) and all this talk of being able to supply the demand is simply because there isn't an overwhelming one to start with.

I think Sony have really hurt themselves by missing the holiday market.

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http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=7068&cm_sp=PS3-_-merchandising-_-wfpreorderltd

http://www.choicesuk.com/product.aspx/!826359?cm_ven=ChoicesUK_Emailnarchps3&cm_cat=NA&cm_pla=NA&cm_ite=NBET9056

http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=KT4450&title=ps3_console_+_resistance_fall_of_man_+_hdmi_cable

zero2dash

Mar 13, 2007, 02:22 PM

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:23 PM

Like the old saying goes "there are no guarantees in life".

Well except death and taxes. (and damn them both) :D

oh and a launch day PS3 apparently ;)

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 02:25 PM

Taking a trip through the Arndale centre here today, Gamestation are still saying you are guaranteed one on launch too. GAME had no "SOLD OUT" written on the Pre-order posters, which they always do. hmm.

Ps. Aldi sell Red Bull clones for 25p!

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:26 PM

Ps. Aldi sell Red Bull clones for 25p!

Where did that come from ? :D (nice to know anyway :D )

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 02:30 PM

Like the old saying goes "there are no guarantees in life".

Well except death and taxes. (and damn them both) :D

I think people are probably peeved that they removed some of the backwards compatibility out of the UK ones. :confused:

Well here the media gave the system a right grilling. Computer Active only just recently reviewed all 3 systems side by side and said to "wait on the PS3 for now".
People here are just seeing a £425 games machine. The impact of HDTV has been significantly less important than over in America, seems like people are seeing Blue Ray as moot? I don't think the compatibility issue is that big to most people here, it hasn't been mentioned much since the big announcement.

Where did that come from ? :D (nice to know anyway :D )

Aldi is almost opposite GameStation, first time I went in today :eek: but 25p... still in shock! it's like the best price for anything ever.

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:39 PM

Actually thinking about it - I havent even seen 1 television commercial for the PS3 yet either, and yet there are loads of Wii & 360 commercials running.

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 02:40 PM

What about them juggling or stacking (forgot) adverts online? Are they still to air?

Coded-Dude

Mar 13, 2007, 02:40 PM

Playstation commercials are few and far between here as well.....although PS3 game commercials get lots of airtime.

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:41 PM

What about them juggling or stacking (forgot) adverts online? Are they still to air?

- shrugs shoulders - I really don't know. :confused:

Playstation commercials are few and far between here as well.....although PS3 game commercials get lots of airtime.

But surely there was a fair amount of media push at least just prior to the machines launch ?

BoyBach

Mar 13, 2007, 02:45 PM

We've been 'guaranteed' 40 units for launch at work (a small independent consumer electronics shop.)

But I'll believe it when I see it: they said the same about the PSP and the PS2.

(Different supplier, but we're (I'm) still waiting for the Wii's we ordered in October/November last year. :mad: )

BoyBach

Mar 13, 2007, 02:49 PM

What about them juggling or stacking (forgot) adverts online? Are they still to air?

At the cinema last week they showed a PS3 commercial without any reference to the PS3 or Sony only a 'this is living' tagline and the date of the launch. (I think I was the only person who knew what it was about :o ).

Needless to say, it was a crook of excrement. Almost as bad as the David Lynch 'Third Place' ad's. Remember those?

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 02:51 PM

Needless to say, it was a crook of excrement. Almost as bad as the David Lynch 'Third Place' ad's. Remember those?

I've been on mediacation since ;) :D

What's the situation for pre-orders in your independant gamestore ? Are you seeing a big / moderate / small demand ?

Coded-Dude

Mar 13, 2007, 02:55 PM

But surely there was a fair amount of media push at least just prior to the machines launch ?

a little.........you still see a PS3 commercial sometimes, but it was never "pushed" like say PSP was.
I think once they launch globally and expand their game library a little bit you'll see tons of ads.
You may get sick of PS3 ads this holiday season, but I think thats what they are waiting for(the next real shopping season)

PS2 ads are still everywhere though....

BoyBach

Mar 13, 2007, 03:00 PM

What's the situation for pre-orders in your independant gamestore ? Are you seeing a big / moderate / small demand ?

At a guess, it's between 2-4 pre-orders for the PS3. Very little interest in it at the moment, but I think that'll change after launch (plus it's going on our mail-out next week, if I finish it in time for the publisher ;) )

Most interest in the DS Lite and Xbox 360.

Little to nothing in the PS2 or PSP.

Approaching ten pre-orders for the Wii, but interest in that has all but ended since most people know that there's no stock around at the moment.

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 03:08 PM

Needless to say, it was a crook of excrement. Almost as bad as the David Lynch 'Third Place' ad's. Remember those?

What! I loved them. They're the closest an advert has got to my dreams. I rather enjoyed 'em!

BoyBach

Mar 13, 2007, 03:10 PM

What! I loved them. They're the closest an advert has got to my dreams. I rather enjoyed 'em!

What?

You really shouldn't eat cheese before you go to bed!

( :p )

Coded-Dude

Mar 13, 2007, 04:23 PM

http://www.vidgame.net/ATARI/Atari/2600_periph/2600_mercury.jpg
Le Stick Joystick. The mercury filled joystick for the 2600. Filled with mercury so that when you tilt it, etc. the 'man and ship' on the screen will go in the direction that you turn it.

source (http://www.vidgame.net/ATARI/peripherals.htm)

Haoshiro

Mar 13, 2007, 05:01 PM

This thread really should be kicked off right...

This new generation is the generation Sony's empire falls.

"Home" cannot save it nor does it give Xbox Live true competition. It's a "casual" space on a system who's price alone is limiting it to a hardcore audience - e.g. the people who, for the most part, could care less about being able to play a 3D Corporate-Branded community design to be like Second Life without most of what actually makes that "game" popular - all in an effort to advertise and "one-up" XBL.

With Xbox Live players have direct access to the features they want, without a nonsensical and awkward 3D interface that isn't practical - how many times has this been tried and failed? "Virtual" apartment spaces on websites, Microsoft Bob, the list goes on... people don't care, it's cumbersome if your not wanting to role play, and lets be honest, most people really just want access to the functionality, without all that fanfare.

Xbox 360 is in place to show Sony it's previous success means nothing, except that they were able to dominate a Nintendo who didn't care anyway, a Nintendo who was being more profitable all the while anyway... Sony can have that empire for all they care, those were old Nintendo customers, they know how to get new ones, and are not concerned with fighting over those customers.

Nintendo won't fail because they are after grabbing new customers that weren't gamers in the first place, leaving the "war" between Microsoft and Sony, and cleaning up the collateral damage later.

Xbox 360 is fresh, more accessible, more mature, and backed by a stronger current and future library. Sony has powerful franchises to be sure, but the bulk of them are a decade or more old and getting tired and unable to excite NEW players the more time passes. While 360 has a much healthier mix, and an established and successful community.

And let's not even get into handhelds, everyone knows who owns (and actually cares) about that market... don't we?

Coded-Dude

Mar 13, 2007, 05:13 PM

Xbox 360 is fresh, more accessible, more mature, and backed by a stronger current and future library. Sony has powerful franchises to be sure, but the bulk of them are a decade or more old and getting tired and unable to excite NEW players the more time passes. While 360 has a much healthier mix, and an established and successful community.

That entire paragraph is in no way factual or provable in any shape or form......for example, one could argue:
PS3 is fresher (its just launched), just as accessible(most stores have plenty of stock of both), and more mature(lets face it Sony has been in the industry longer - a second gen console nowhere close as "mature" as a third gen console). There is definitely a stronger current library, but future library....now thats laughable.
Sony has a much stronger and more successful COMMUNITY that they have yet to grant access to their online capabilities. Microsft has a much stronger and more successfull ONLINE COMMUNITY, but LIVE was offered long before HOME. To dismiss HOME this early is about as intelligent as saying "PS3 is teh d00m3d!" only two months after its launch. :rolleyes:

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 13, 2007, 05:14 PM

The only way they can guarantee all pre-orders is if demand is low. There is supposedly only 400,000 units going out to Europe on launch with 200,000 of those going to the UK. HMV is Sony's preferred retailer for the launch, so the bulk of those 200,000 will likely end up at HMV stores. I honestly can't see them guaranteeing that every pre-order will be filled unless they upped the amount they announced they were going to ship a couple of months ago by a large amount. I think if they fall terribly short of satisfying all the pre-orders, they may be violating truth in advertising laws by promising what they couldn't deliver.

MacRumorUser

Mar 13, 2007, 05:28 PM

^ v. true

Basically if they can supply demand - it's because there isnt much demand which is bad

If they cant supply demand - making these 'guaranteed' claims will put off people and really rub people up the wrong way - which is even worse given the bad press so far.

I guess you'd call that a no win situation. :o

Old Mac Geezer

Mar 13, 2007, 05:46 PM

Haoshiro

Mar 13, 2007, 05:48 PM

That entire paragraph is in no way factual or provable in any shape or form......for example, one could argue:
PS3 is fresher (its just launched), just as accessible(most stores have plenty of stock of both), and more mature(lets face it Sony has been in the industry longer - a second gen console nowhere close as "mature" as a third gen console). There is definitely a stronger current library, but future library....now thats laughable.
Sony has a much stronger and more successful COMMUNITY that they have yet to grant access to their online capabilities. Microsft has a much stronger and more successfull ONLINE COMMUNITY, but LIVE was offered long before HOME. To dismiss HOME this early is about as intelligent as saying "PS3 is teh d00m3d!" only two months after its launch. :rolleyes:

But then there are the counter-points, which luckily for me you've helped me with:

"PS3 is fresher (its just launched)" - It's all in the games, though, of course. PS3 is seriously lacking in "freshness" there. Months-old ports and upcoming sequels that are already past their "trilogy" phase. MotorStorm is about the only thing "fresh" in what is available and it's an offroad racer, and not the best one ever made.

"just as accessible" - You don't have to be a "MS fanboy" or "anti-Sony" to tell that's just not true. The price tag along makes it less accessible (entry cost), and it's been well discussed on this forum and all over the web how setup for the system is less then as simple as people would expect - even for technophiles. Too many manual and cumbersome setup requirements means less accessibility.

"and more mature" - You refuted this one for me by saying "its just launched"; yep, you are right... it's less mature. From community, software, to market... all around a less mature platform.

"but future library....now thats laughable." - The mere fact it has a larger, stronger, library now is evidence enough that it will stay that way. Unless you think Sony is going to be pumping out more software each year then 360, enough to surpass the lead 360 already has on it. Multi-platform games are just that, and whatever hits PS3 will likely hit 360 first, and on the rare case PS3 gets it first, it'll still hit 360. So it's a matter of exclusives, and with a more mature development platform it's not hard to tell 360 will have a faster path to market for software.

"Sony has a much stronger and more successful COMMUNITY" - Customers don't equal community. There is no "Sony Community" except for the scattered Sony-only forums, and some Sony-only fan sites.... and that's barely a community, maybe a few micro-communities.

Home is the greatest and most impressive corporate-sponsored 3D advertisement-driven community "space" probably ever built.... that nobody will really care about. Things can sound and look great from the outside, but get into practical use and you're just competing with MMORPGs without the game under the hood. What's the draw? It doesn't have what Second Life has (a game), nor Sims (a game)... it's a 3D chat room, we've seen those come and die many times before. Again, it's great, maybe even brilliant, and it's also an utterly pointless interface to the features people might actually want.

JackAxe

Mar 13, 2007, 08:04 PM

JackAxe, once again you prove you don't know what you're talking about. This link was posted before.

http://www.puredigitalthought.com/2006/05/09/le-stick/

You can view a motion sensing controller for the Atari 2600. The Wii is just more of the same ol, same ol. Not only is it the same ol controller tech, but it's the same ol graphics capabilities of the 90s! Go Nintendo! Push the industry forward!

Gaming drives the computer industry and pushes hardware to new limits. It's been said before, and will continue to be true. Nintendo just capitalizes on yesterday's hardware. They're an industry parasite, and not a contributor. At all.

Heck, they can't even come up with a new franchise. :rolleyes:

Since this thread is open and all in good fun of course. Time to bicker over the same old points again and again and again and again. Talk about the same ol. :)

And to bounce of MacRumorUser's comment, now it's my EGO-turn. :)

All of this comes from someone that's playing their games on a rehashed PS2 Dual-fffff. It doesn't have rumble, so there's definitely no shock in it. It's not like Sony introduced a newer more comfortable contoller like Microsoft. It's the same tired design from the PS2. Talk about capitalizing on yesterday's hardware. If Nintendo's a parasite, why does Sony copy much of what Nintendo has done for the industry?

And your commentas about franchise. Hey, did you notice that the same games are constantly being rehased from the PS2 to the PSP and now the PS3.

Here, this quote sums up what I've stated about Nintendo's Wiimote (http://wii.nintendo.com/iwata_asks_vol2_p1.jsp).
Wii's one-handed controller is not the great idea of a single person, but a fantastic fusion of ideas from all kinds of people. Looking back, I think that it was destined to turn out this way. We've seen that the sequence of events leading up to this moment unfolded in a truly unimaginable fashion.

I've stated more than once that the Wiimote isn't using new tech, but this is the first time all of these different capabilites have been implemented into one controller. Once again, it's the combination and execution of the Wiimote that makes it truly unique and new, not any single part. Never before has an entire system been built around these concepts, they have always been "sperate" add ons. The Wii is the first sytem that can ensure a certain level of support that would not have been possible with previous or other sytems.

Now stating Nintendo's graphis are from the Ninties is just humorous. This clearly shows you don't know what you're talking about. Are you being a) sarcastic, b) ignorant, d) or are you special? :) This is something that someone would state, if their understanding of tech stems only from consoles and clearly doen't have a grasp of the bigger picture. :p That's alright, most people don't understand hardware and think that the graphics generated by a PS3 looks photo-realistic. BWwwwwuHhaaahaaaaaaaaa!!

I would draw you a simple chart showing the difference in performance between modern GPUs and CPUs, and earlier GPUs and CPUs, or even something as slow as what's found in the PS2, Cube, and XBox, but I couldn't find a crayon and I don't have any finger paint. I Just wanted to present it in a way you could comprehend. :)

Once again, if Sony were the one with a Soniimote, you wouldn't be so willingly naive with your attacks against a direction that is only pushing gaming forward. Hey, if Nintendo gave me 720p support, I wouldn't fight it, I would welcome it. But you seem to be fighting something that can and will only benifiet gaming in general. That's OK, people don't like change, especially the ones that were self-proclaimed-uber-thumb-twidlers. This whole pointing thing defies aiming with one's thumb. Speaking of thumb-twiddling, thank you Nintendo for bringing this old tech, as in an analog joystick to consoles, and showing that it's benificial to 3D platformers.

I'm sorry that your idea of gaming involves playing the same game, but at a higher rez with the same ol tired controls. Don't you find that boring? If not for Nintendo's new direction, consoles would continue to inbreed in same tired direction.

Look up the History of Nintendo's contributions to the game industry, so you can speak with knowledge, not ignorance. ;)

This stuff gets old, but who cares. I'm sure there's a dozen things wrong with what I've written, but then again, even if they're not wrong, others will alway differ in their opinion and perception of things. Kind of like that German brother and sister couple, who think it's OK to have 4 childern out of incest. :eek: Blah blah blah blah, the same ol same ol blah.

<]=)

zap2

Mar 13, 2007, 08:13 PM

You can view a motion sensing controller for the Atari 2600. The Wii is just more of the same ol, same ol. Not only is it the same ol controller tech, but it's the same ol graphics capabilities of the 90s! Go Nintendo! Push the industry forward!

Heck, they can't even come up with a new franchise. :rolleyes:

1) The Wii controller is new, it bring something different to the market, saying otherwise is wrong.Other system may have had controler w/ motion sensing, but the Wii takes it to a new level

2) Show me a system that had the game power as the Wii can do, and I'll eat my foot. Simply put, its not there

3) New francise...Excite Trucks? Similar to Bikes, but not the same. Wii Sport, Wii Play?

But even if they hadn't, who cared? Mario(Link too) still kicks arse...just today I has talking to some girls who said the only games they like are Mario ones.

2nyRiggz

Mar 13, 2007, 08:15 PM

1)2) Show me a system that had the game power as the Wii can do, and I'll eat my foot. Simply put, its not there

I don't have a answer for this but I would like to see you eat your foot none the less:)

Oh I found the answer....Atari2600:D ..Just kidding

Bless

EvryDayImShufln

Mar 13, 2007, 08:26 PM

I have 1 question for you guys.

My friend bought a PS3 but can't sell it because demand is no longer up here in north america. If I put it on ebay would somebody want to buy it from him (ebay because I have about 200 references, thus making the transaction safe from an online viewpoint)?

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 08:28 PM

3) New francise...Excite Trucks? Similar to Bikes, but not the same. Wii Sport, Wii Play?

Off me own head-
Project Hammer
Wing Island (??)
Wii- series (sports, music, motorsports, play...)
Forever Blue
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Sadness
Battalion Wars (semi-new)
Elebits? (supposed to be a sequel or something?)

So the recycled stuff...
Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Zelda
Mario Party 8
Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Kart
Kirby
F-Zero WX
Pokemon Battle whatever
Mario sports series

Against...
Final Fantasy, which one now?
MGS 4
Virtua fighter 5
DMC 4 (is it?)
Tekken?
Gran Tourismo?
Alone in the Dark 5
Armoured Core 4
Burnout 5
Dynasty Warriors 6
GTA4
Resident Evil 5
Silent Hill...?
Ridge Racer 7
Tony Hawks?

2nyRiggz

Mar 13, 2007, 08:31 PM

Silent Hill...?

Silent Hill 5 plus the Silent Hill 0rigins for the PSP....and I love every one and can't wait for SH5

Bless

Dagless

Mar 13, 2007, 08:36 PM

Silent Hill 5 plus the Silent Hill 0rigins for the PSP....and I love every one and can't wait for SH5

Bless

I love continuing series too. Especially when quality has been upheld throughout them, gives you something that you know you can look forward to!
My point was that other systems have just as many, or even more sequels still going.

But because this is the war thread :p I never cared much for Silent Hill, or Resident Evil for that matter. games, even films just don't get me scared.

2nyRiggz

Mar 13, 2007, 08:40 PM

^Depends on how much you want for it and if its been used. Anybody know the lastest console numbers to be shipped for Europe..I'm sure it went up since the last announcement.

Bless

2nyRiggz

Mar 13, 2007, 08:47 PM

I never cared much for Silent Hill

Oh its on now buddy!:p ....Since we are in the "war room" I think Halo/xbox 1 is a big pile of trash...only the multiplayer saved that game and that game saved that console.

Bring it on Halo Boys!

Bless

JackAxe

Mar 14, 2007, 02:48 AM

Behold, the scariest game of them all. The granddaddy of all modern horror games (http://www.adventureclassicgaming.com/index.php/site/reviews/33/). :)

I envision this thread bursting into flames. :)

Speaking of Halo, besides being boring and too repetive single player, it SUCKED MAJOR DONKEY VOMIT ON THE PC!!! It was tooooooo easy and graphically looked like garbage. But for some odd reason it required more hoarse power than HL2 or Doom 3 just to maintain a smooth frame rate.

And why can't I buy a tongue stylus for my DS? :mad:

Bleh. :)

<]=)

ericsthename

Mar 14, 2007, 04:22 AM

I gotta say that the main reason for the endless bickering on this thread is that you're almost all right...

There is an argument to be had that nintendo is recycling graphics on the Wii, just as there's an argument that the Wiimote is pushing sensor-control to never before commercially viable levels.

Theres also a fairly scientific argument behind what the poster on the previous page said about the 360's library being superior to the PS3's.

Of course, all of this is pretty much speculative, which is why everybody has their own opinion about this stuff...

I just don't understand how it always becomes personal...."what, do you work for sony?".... "you dont know S#!..."

Piarco

Mar 14, 2007, 05:55 AM

I still haven't seen a PS3 add yet :confused:
When the PSP got released they were everywhere, but the PS3 has been so quiet.
The gaming press haven't been kind to the Euro version either, some going as far as suggesting people should import rather than buy the euro version.
It won't be helped that articles like this one at the Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38191) - out of twelve top PS2 games only Eragon worked. Eep. That includes GOW, MGS2 & 3, GTA, Guitar Hero etc. I know Sony will have a software update to address this, but its a poor showing out of the box...

I have 1 question for you guys.

My friend bought a PS3 but can't sell it because demand is no longer up here in north america. If I put it on ebay would somebody want to buy it from him (ebay because I have about 200 references, thus making the transaction safe from an online viewpoint)?

Well due to the above, there maybe an increasing market in the UK for imported PS3's....

Ps. Aldi sell Red Bull clones for 25p!

Random, but a welcome note jimmi! El Cheapo Red Bull & Vodka Night beckons :D

MacRumorUser

Mar 14, 2007, 06:12 AM

Silent Hill 5 plus the Silent Hill 0rigins for the PSP....and I love every one and can't wait for SH5

But because this is the war thread :p I never cared much for Silent Hill, or Resident Evil for that matter. games, even films just don't get me scared.

Oh its on now buddy!:p ....Since we are in the "war room" I think Halo/xbox 1 is a big pile of trash...only the multiplayer saved that game and that game saved that console.

Bring it on Halo Boys!

Silent Hill 4 - The Room : Sucked Balls

Really dissapointed me.

2 & 3 were great and the best :) I even liked the Silent Hill Movie :o but maybe I shouldn't admit to that.

Halo I enjoyed upto 'The Library' and then enjoyment depleted - frustration set in and I never bothered finishing it. :o

gers84

Mar 14, 2007, 06:33 AM

Ps. Aldi sell Red Bull clones for 25p!

Aldi is a great supermarket i particularly recommended the ratmananoz vodka and organic pears ;)

Markleshark

Mar 14, 2007, 06:47 AM

At GAME we are guaranteeing them for launch. We had 80 pre-orders by last Sunday and our target was 350, in the warehouse waiting for launch day.

I have no idea where we have got all consoles from, but I guess if you want one you can have one on launch.

JDN

Mar 14, 2007, 07:27 AM

Isn't the PS3 also supposed to be one of the main promoters of blue ray technology?

If PS3 sales are poor, and get bad press, how much of an effect on the HDDVD BR war do you guys think it will have?

Dagless

Mar 14, 2007, 07:42 AM

Yes. I had to shut my eyes through that part of the game. In our lengthy co-op games we always skip over the Library and similar levels (swamp one?). That said even HL1 had boring levels (space!). Goldeneye was just perfect. HL2 had Ravenholme which was semi-rubbish compared to the rest of the game.

Halo 2, start to finish. Horrendous.

Dagless

Mar 14, 2007, 07:54 AM

^
That said I've seen the Casino Royale advert all over the show, with "On DVD and BluRay Disc"... on a late side note what a ****** name for a medium, shorter, plz.

I've yet to see any adverts for HD-DVD. Or anywhere that sells them. BluRay is all over HMV. Nowhere else mind.

Europe and Sony haven't got on well since the whole tax issue with the PS2. Incase you missed it Sony tried getting millions back because they claimed it was "a computer" and thus got them a discount in sending the machines over. Judge Justice something or other said "no, Sony". No tax discount on the PS3 either.

MacRumorUser

Mar 14, 2007, 08:19 AM

Yeah there is pretty much next to nowhere to buy HD movies period regardless of format - and similarly players either here.

I've seen a good few HD-DVD (by which I mean maybe 6-8) movies in Gamestop stores and a few in Virgin, and so far I have seen 1 Blu-Ray movie (Snatch I think) on a shelf.

None of the major DVD retailers / rental places like Xtravision or ChartBusters have them, and very few big electronics retailers have the players of either format.

It's a bit of a non-event to be honest at the moment.

Xbox360 HD-DVD add on got a fair amount of press when it was released including articles in the Irish Times - where they said for the money it was a bargain and recommended that & a 360 over a standard HD-DVD player for value... But that's about it.

Casino Royale looks to be the first BluRay promoted film, but it's barely enough to sell a €1500 player here.

And as we can see from Pre-Orders of the PS3 - they are not really flying to an extent where you could say - people are buying for BluRay player like a lot of people claimed in the States.

HD-DVD and BluRay have a VERY long way to go in UK & Ireland. And until we get HDTV channels that dont cost the earth - HD broadcasting is going to take years before it catches on and will probably never catch up with the rest of the world.

Sam*

Mar 14, 2007, 08:20 AM

^

I've yet to see any adverts for HD-DVD. Or anywhere that sells them. BluRay is all over HMV. Nowhere else mind.

I was in virgin yesterday and they had a small stnad for hd dvd and blu ray

pretty sure there was more hd dvds there

only place i have seen them

MacRumorUser

Mar 14, 2007, 08:23 AM

I was in virgin yesterday and they had a small stnad for hd dvd and blu ray

Yep ditto.

Dagless

Mar 14, 2007, 08:30 AM

If any shop had HD stuff it would be Virgin. Don't really go there much to be honest :o

All this said, I saw my first Sky HD receiver in the an actual home last week! Old college mates boyfriend. Lives opposite the BBC too :cool: nothing was on though so we just messed about the Mii channel.

Piarco

Mar 14, 2007, 08:38 AM

I've yet to see any adverts for HD-DVD. Or anywhere that sells them. BluRay is all over HMV. Nowhere else mind.

Amazon have got a fair selection of HD titles. All in my wish list alongside the 360 HD-DVD add-on.
But for some reason I can't seem to bring myself to pull the trigger on the purchase... I can most definitely wait to see what happens in The Format Wars.

JDN

Mar 14, 2007, 08:55 AM

MacRumorUser

Mar 14, 2007, 09:52 AM

In the UK at least, play.com has increasing stock of HD and BluRay DVD's ... but then as far as i have seen only Samsung and Toshiba make an HD or BluRay DVD player, and they are SO expensive.

One of my friends said a big player in the format war is actually the porn industry. Apparently they helped big time in the kick off of DVD all that time ago. But then whoever 'owns' BluRay is refusing to license it to said industry.
This could all be stuff and none sense, but stranger things have happened.

That was debunked a while ago.

It just generally seems Europe is playing the waiting game. Which I think add's to my belief that both HD-DVD & BluRay are merely transitional products and it will be what happens after them by 2010+ that will really count.

Dagless

Mar 14, 2007, 10:09 AM

Not that I agree with it (I like physical copies of my products) but if super fast internet connections were everywhere then there'd be no need for physical HD media.
Just get a set top box that can download shows, totally skipping out the computer moniker to put it in the same league as Sky or Freeview. You've got a device to rival Sky Movies, Love Film and HD-DVD/BluRay. You buy a "licence" to watch a film (HD or SD) so you can delete and download again later. Or allow some method of personal backing up?

Something like that would be so huge. :apple: TV and then some.

Would have to be run by a very rich company though, and not Sony or any other film studio as to get all studios feeling comfy on board. Virgin?

/speculation.

e²Studios

Mar 14, 2007, 10:18 AM

Blu-Ray pretty much has this war in the bag.

Blu-ray Outsells HD-DVD For Second Month Running (http://gear.ign.com/articles/772/772518p1.html)
Sells 2:1 against HD-DVD in February.
by Gerry Block

March 13, 2007 - Trade magazine Video Business reported today that Blu-ray outsold HD-DVD in February for the second month running. According to the magazine's figures, roughly 250,000 Blu-ray movie titles were sold in February compared to only 125,000 HD-DVDs. In January movie sales for each format were roughly the same.

Debate over what factors are contributing to Blu-ray's recent dominance has generally focused on the impact of the PlayStation 3. Somewhat less than 2-million PS3s have been sold since launch, which effectively means a roughly similar number of HD-DVD and Blu-ray players are presently in circulation.

Some within the movie industry questioned whether PS3 gamers would choose to use their consoles extensively for movie playback in addition to gaming. Current sales figures would suggest that a fair number are, which hardly surprises us since hardcore gamers tend to also be big fans of new technology and movies.

With a second month of leading sales in the bag the Blu-ray camp is gaining confidence. There won't be an end to the format war any time soon, but if a few more months of Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD 2:1 stack up the industry will of course take notice.

Coded-Dude

Mar 14, 2007, 10:22 AM

olol...no I have counter points. :D
I was typing em up yesterday, got distracted by a customer, then had to leave.
I'll post shortly. ;)

Fezwick

Mar 14, 2007, 10:37 AM

Yes Microsoft and Sony innovate. They found a way to pack a ton of power into two small boxes that sell for a reasonable price (when compared to a mega gaming PC) and have set the development standard/techniques for the next 4-5 years on that hardware as far as console games go. Nintendo didn't create squat.. they just resurrected their old hardware. :rolleyes:

I don't understand your logic on this. Since when did cramming more powerful hardware into a box become innovative? I see this as just a regular occurrence in technology.

Nintendo is at least trying something different and it seems to be working for the most part. Whether or not it will survive in the long run remains to be seen. The Wii's graphical capabilities are also unknown as of now. It won't pump out graphics like the 360 and PS3, but we might be pleasantly surprised on how well it can do. The majority of the games right now are PS2 ports or rushed launch titles. Only time will tell how the Wii's hardware will perform.

MacRumorUser

Mar 14, 2007, 10:43 AM

Blu-Ray pretty much has this war in the bag.

You could have said the same for the months and months when HD-DVD was outselling BluRay though.

Nothing is clear yet by anymeans.

Applespider

Mar 14, 2007, 10:52 AM

At GAME we are guaranteeing them for launch. We had 80 pre-orders by last Sunday and our target was 350, in the warehouse waiting for launch day.

We've got 500 sitting in our store's warehouse waiting to go. And another 1000 or so sitting in the central warehouse :rolleyes:

I think the price is scaring off a lot of people, particularly since Blu-ray isn't exactly mass-market yet.

Piarco

Mar 14, 2007, 10:53 AM

And I'd like to see DVD sales stacked up against those results to show how truly pitiful the HD/BD sales are.
This is hardly over by a long shot. The vast majority of my friends are early adopters. Not one of us has ordered a HD-DVD add-on or PS3. Plenty of time left for this to pan out.

I completely agree with you jimmi. The way that broadband speeds are getting quicker I can totally see what you've suggested happening, and that'd be fine by me...

Coded-Dude

Mar 14, 2007, 10:55 AM

But then there are the counter-points, which luckily for me you've helped me with:
"PS3 is fresher (its just launched)" - It's all in the games, though, of course. PS3 is seriously lacking in "freshness" there. Months-old ports and upcoming sequels that are already past their "trilogy" phase. MotorStorm is about the only thing "fresh" in what is available and it's an offroad racer, and not the best one ever made.
Have you played it, or are you just going by what you have "heard." For me, it is one of the funnest most intense racers I have ever played.....no bs.
Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, Drake's Fortune, 2 Days to Vegas, Eight Days, Ninja Gaiden; just to name a FEW new IP's coming soon to a PS3 near you. Notice I did all that without naming these "stale" titles you mention; like MGS, GOW, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Ace Combat, Gran Turismo, etc. Even those are no more stale than Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pokemon.

"just as accessible" - You don't have to be a "MS fanboy" or "anti-Sony" to tell that's just not true. The price tag along makes it less accessible (entry cost), and it's been well discussed on this forum and all over the web how setup for the system is less then as simple as people would expect - even for technophiles. Too many manual and cumbersome setup requirements means less accessibility.
Somewhat true, but a stock Corvette is priced above a stock Mustang, that doesn't mean you can't/won't spend the money on the accessories/features to make em pretty darn close. We have already shown that to be true with the consoles as well. Besides, its not like PS3 is gonna stay at the same price-point throughout its life-cycle. Like I've said before, XBOX was priced above PS2 at about the same difference($100) wasn't it. People still found a way to justify that. Even though Ps2 had what could be considered a larger, better library.

"and more mature" - You refuted this one for me by saying "its just launched"; yep, you are right... it's less mature. From community, software, to market... all around a less mature platform.
You have still yet to provide valid points as to how a Company, who hasn't been in the industry as long, is more mature than the PROVEN home console leader for the past two generations. PS3 has more mature hardware for certain, as for the community....well, most people I know avoid Live due to the rampant immaturity. I have already succeed the point that, at the moment, 360 software is more mature, but it had better be, its been out longer - but be patient, there is no proof that the tables cannot turn.

"but future library....now thats laughable." - The mere fact it has a larger, stronger, library now is evidence enough that it will stay that way. Unless you think Sony is going to be pumping out more software each year then 360, enough to surpass the lead 360 already has on it. Multi-platform games are just that, and whatever hits PS3 will likely hit 360 first, and on the rare case PS3 gets it first, it'll still hit 360. So it's a matter of exclusives, and with a more mature development platform it's not hard to tell 360 will have a faster path to market for software.
Who has had the largest most mature library the last two generations? I know that doesn't automatically mean it will be better than 360, but to assume Sony will never be able to match Microsoft is whats laughable. XBOX was pretty weak as far as having a variety of strong titles from a variety of genre's(at least, much weaker than PS2). btw - your bolded statement could have been used to argue why Dreamcast was better than PS2, but that changed too didn't it? You say jsut because Sony is on top(of the home console market), doesn't mean they wills stay there, but then say; Microsoft is on top(regarding software libraries), and that DOES mean they will stay that there......double standards?

"Sony has a much stronger and more successful COMMUNITY" - Customers don't equal community. There is no "Sony Community" except for the scattered Sony-only forums, and some Sony-only fan sites.... and that's barely a community, maybe a few micro-communities.
Community - A community is a set of people with some shared element
Without these customers there is no community.......
Sony probably has the largest community, just because we don't YET have a centralized location where we can "congregate" does NOT mean we do not exist. Thats like saying there is no Muslim community in my neighborhood, because there is no Mosque. Our "home" is being built...in fact, it owuld have been done already had it not been for PS2's limited online functionality. PS3 does not fall short there.

Home is the greatest and most impressive corporate-sponsored 3D advertisement-driven community "space" probably ever built.... that nobody will really care about. Things can sound and look great from the outside, but get into practical use and you're just competing with MMORPGs without the game under the hood. What's the draw? It doesn't have what Second Life has (a game), nor Sims (a game)... it's a 3D chat room, we've seen those come and die many times before. Again, it's great, maybe even brilliant, and it's also an utterly pointless interface to the features people might actually want.

All opinion and in no way fact or provable. You make a decent attempt at predicting the future of a YET TO BE RELEASED product based on your personal preference. But what does that have to do with its actual success. We've seen several console makers "fail" miserably....did that stop any of the current ones from trying to jump in and do it better? It wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something with this much potential, but thats just me I guess.