WWDC Keynote Broadcast

[MacRumors]

In an unusual move, it appears Apple will be transmitting the WWDC Keynote Address on June 23rd, 2003. Reliable reports indicate that the Keynote will be shown live at U.S. Apple Stores with theatres. There have also been reports that there is a special event in Berlin (invite-only) which is offering a live feed of the same.

While there has been no definitive word on a live-webcast this year, there are indications that it will be available as a stream after the fact at the very least. (Note: Last year's WWDC Keynote was not web-cast.)

Other hints of things to come, include plans for significant Apple Store product-display changes in the week after WWDC, which has historically occurred with new product releases. Meanwhile, MacWorld.co.uk (http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6446) quotes Apple's Casanova who promises that people expecting "good things" at WWDC "will not be disappointed".

[mymemory]

I may have my fireworks in one hand and a shootgun ready with a plane ticket to LA on the other hand. Jobs... you choose:mad:

Parade or riot.

[bikertwin]

A keynote broadcast, "good things" promised, store reconfigurations . . . this *has* to be the release of 970's.

Bring 'em on, and a redesigned 20" display to boot!

[TheOne]

That sounds like fun :D Cram a bunch of Mac geeks in the Mac Stores across the country tring to get the first glimpse of the PPC970's. (Pure speculation, sure... But why would they have a presentation in the Mac Stores if we are NOT going to get something cool?)

Edit: What time is Keynote? I know it is in the morning, but is it like at 8amEST or something?

[voicegy]

Yes! Apple Store, Fashion Valley San Diego here I come! What a great way to spend a Monday morning! (uh, oh, better re-calendar a few meetings!)

[voyagerd]

I'll be on Maui on the 23rd, but i also have fireworks ready to go!:D

!Dance!
<("<) ^("^) (^")^ (>")>

[mac15]

they only do this when something big is going to be shown off. So something is a brewsing

[avus]

Originally posted by mymemory
a shootgun ready with a plane ticket to LA on the other hand.

WWDC is in San Francisco, 400 miles away from LA! We have enough nuts already here, so don't think about actually coming to LA, thank you.

[Wardofsky]

I stand corrected for my other posts.

[pivo6]

If they're showing it at the Mall of America, then I guess I can take a long lunch to watch.

[QCassidy352]

This sounds like good news. I like the sound of "will not be disappointed."

Originally posted by mymemory
Parade or riot.

hehe, it's funny 'cause it's true.

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by TheOne
That sounds like fun :D Cram a bunch of Mac geeks in the Mac Stores across the country tring to get the first glimpse of the PPC970's.

... an then they just show a preview of Panther! :D

I don't wonder that they are planning to renovate and change the stores, because after the riots of the geeks there won't be a lot left of the stores!!! ;)

So it all makes sense, just depends on how you bring together the puzzle peaces... ;)

:cool:

groovebuster

[MOM]

Thats it, CONFIRMED! Thay will be showing the 970 and announcing when the new Hardware will be available. They have to show the 970, how else to talk to the developers about 64-bit etc Panther. If the goods weren't ready then they would do it behind closed doors, but if its public it has to mean shipping systems within a month (perhaps an Apple month-kind of like the opposite of February) or less.

[arn]

Originally posted by MOM
Thats it, CONFIRMED! Thay will be showing the 970 and announcing when the new Hardware will be available. They have to show the 970, how else to talk to the developers about 64-bit etc Panther. If the goods weren't ready then they would do it behind closed doors, but if its public it has to mean shipping systems within a month (perhaps an Apple month-kind of like the opposite of February) or less.

I think Hypertransport rumors confirmed 970 talk at WWDC.... but yes, the question is shipping when?

arn

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by mymemory
__________________
I'm moving to New York, I'm a VJ. If you know some one related with promotions and events let me know. Write me at vjrei@hotmail.com Thanx

Move to Berlin and I can give you a lot of contacts then... :cool:

groovebuster

[jcdenton]

Threats of riots are obviously a bit overstated but it's finally good to get some real confirmation. After all the hype, it would be a colossal blunder on Apple's part to crowd their stores with eager geeks and then say "And here's the next great operating system, which will hit stores in September!"

Now if only there was an Apple Store in MY town...:rolleyes:

[arogge]

Originally posted by bikertwin
. . . this *has* to be the release of 970's.

Apple might announce a multi-button mouse instead of 970s. :p

[MOM]

Originally posted by arn
I think Hypertransport rumors confirmed 970 talk at WWDC.... but yes, the question is shipping when?

arn

I see your point, but even before that it always seemed to me that if they were going to talk to developers about the new OS, 64-bit computing, the 970 etc, then they had to tell them their plans to use the chips. So to me it was always a question of whether this would occur in private under NDA or public. If its public, then the 970 is out of the bag and they better have some system to sell if they don't want to have sales all but halt. I've felt for some time that the lack of Apple's attempts to quell the rising tide of 970 speculation has ment that the chip is coming at WWDC. (I'm not count ing Apple legals recent moves, that came too late.) All they had to do would be to say "Come to WWDC and see what's new in Apple SOFTWARE." Many possible subtle hints from Apple could have put a damper on things, but that didn't happen. And now this news.... If I'm wrong, then I do expect riots in the Mac community.

[bertagert]

Man, if Apple doesn't release 970's at WWDC they're are going to be a lot of bumbed people. This little hint looks a dead giveaway (remerchandising the store hint).

For the people in Philly. How far away is King of Prussia from philly? Looks like I'll be back east for two months when these nice lovies come out.

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by bertagert
King of Prussia...

Funny name for a town! :)

groovebuster

[arogge]

Originally posted by TheOne
What time is Keynote? I know it is in the morning, but is it like at 8amEST or something?

The Steve Jobs keynote speech is scheduled for 1700 hours UTC.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/specialevents.html#keynote

[Mr.Hey]

I'm going to put this 3mbit net connection to good use.

[Kal-EL]

Originally posted by mymemory
I may have my fireworks in one hand and a shootgun ready with a plane ticket to LA on the other hand. Jobs... you choose:mad:

Parade or riot.

Well, I'm not quite sure what a shootgun is, but you wouldn't be allowed on a plane with any type of gun. You'd make the papers for trying though.

As for the announcement of new Power Macs at WWDC, if they are 970's I hope they do something like radically drop the prices on the current line of Power Mac G4s. I mean if the 970 is supposed to be cheaper to manufacture, with the availability of a cheaper machine, no one will want a dual 1.42gh G4 even at $1000. less than current prices if the top end 970 sells for the same. And I don't think Apple wants all of the current stock of G4s sitting on the shelves gathering dust as everyone buys a 970. Perhaps, they will price the G4s low enough and the 970s high enough at first to clear out the current stock and then drop the prices on the 970s.

[dhaveconfig]

The wording of this article makes it sound like it's been confirmed by Apple that the keynote will be broadcast in the stores... but there is no source cited?

Where did this info come from? if it's just a rumour, then it should be clearer in the article...

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by Kal-EL
Perhaps, they will price the G4s low enough and the 970s high enough at first to clear out the current stock and then drop the prices on the 970s.

I don't think so...

If you can get a dual 1.42GHz PowerMac for less than an iMac with 1 processor at 1 GHz they will sit on their iMacs then instead.

I think they will just bit into the lemon to be stuck with a certain amount of old PowerMacs, since people will be buying the 970s liek crazy anyway it shouldn't hurt too much..

groovebuster

[trebblekicked]

Huzzah!
What a strange way to go about it all...
remember @ the begining of the year, no MWNY. Apple moving away from event-type product releases and now this...this is actually more exciting than MWSF.

I, like others, suspect this means 970s within the month. If, by some miracle, they are available imediately, many of us will owe MacBid an apology:)

All i want now is a live webcast. If not, IRC will do.

[wildmac]

Well, if Apple doesn't make it possible for me to own a nice shiny new dual 1.8 Ghz G5/970 Mac on my desktop by Christmas, I WILL go and buy a PC.

I'm sick and tired of lagging behind, getting screwed because Moto can't make chips, and because Jobs likes his "speed bumps" in increments of less than 5%.

I'm seeing the 3D graphics world go all PC, and even the video world too... (Adobe is helping that along too..)

I don't drive 30 mph slower than everyone else on the freeway, I shouldn't have to compute slower than everyone else!

-- wildmac

[JtheLemur]

Lordy lord, there's never been as much anticipation for NEW PRO KIT at an Apple event than there is now... seems like it would be suicide not to at LEAST show everyone what is coming at some point in, say, the 30 days after WWDC.

Perhaps the rumormongers them(our)selves pushed Apple to show something they perhaps originally weren't? =)

All's I know is, regardless or religios orientation, start praying! I've got a wad of cash absolutely burning a hole in my pocket and would LOVE to spend it on a new Pro machine, regardless of the chance that 4 months later they'll release a dual-processor config! (that is if the rumors that only single-proc configs would show up at first!)

yaaaaaaaaaay! I'm getting my hopes up! IRRESPONSIBLE YES BUT I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I think this is a major turning point for a lot of Pro users - Apple needs to at least show what moves it's going to make in the next 30-60 days (read: 970s!), or it'll prove once and for all that Apple's a sucker for giving Moto a million second chances... booo.

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Doubtful, but what would be amazing is if the Apple Stores had these things for sale immediately after the keynote. Either that or have a Friday night debut, like with the new iPod. I can't wait until the 23rd. That's going to be quite a three day period. New Harry Potter on Saturday and Steve Jobs on Monday. Is it Christmas already? ;)

[The Ancients]

Originally posted by groovebuster
I don't think so...

If you can get a dual 1.42GHz PowerMac for less than an iMac with 1 processor at 1 GHz they will sit on their iMacs then instead.

I think they will just bit into the lemon to be stuck with a certain amount of old PowerMacs, since people will be buying the 970s liek crazy anyway it shouldn't hurt too much..

groovebuster

Or, they give them to Edu institutions. Nice tax break (if similar laws to the country I live in) to ease the pain, and great PR. The pain will surely also be salved by the modest increase in sales due to PPC970 chips.

[The Shadow]

Originally posted by wildmac
Well, if Apple doesn't make it possible for me to own a nice shiny new dual 1.8 Ghz G5/970 Mac on my desktop by Christmas, I WILL go and buy a PC.

I'm sick and tired of lagging behind, getting screwed because Moto can't make chips, and because Jobs likes his "speed bumps" in increments of less than 5%.

-- wildmac

There's an old saying "Inside every pragmatist is an idealist searching for an ideal".

Your frustration is justified, I think every died in the wool Apple fan has felt a bit like that over the past few years.

But, finally I think, our just desserts are coming! I read a thread recently, where developers were warning that what is hot to a developer may be of no interest to the average consumer - the warning was consumers will necessarily be disappointed by the WWDC.

So why are they showing the WWDC in Apple stores? Answer: There will be a lot in the WWDC for consumers.

That is why some of us are saying the 970 is confirmed. Jobs will showcase new PowerMacs at the very least, and he wouldn't do that if we weren't going to get our hands on them till next year.

So hang in there WildMac, methinks you won't be disappointed!

S

[mislabeledstar]

Originally posted by bertagert For the people in Philly. How far away is King of Prussia from philly? Looks like I'll be back east for two months when these nice lovies come out. [/B]

i think it's about a half hour by car......... it's a crappy trip, i made it once with this guy who i went to school with and hated, i was just buggin to get out of philly........ maybe the trip would've been better if it hadn't been with him........

[Mr T]

Well, if I have to read that one more Mac user is going to the dark side because something sucks, I WILL go and buy a PC.



:D

[psurrena]

From center city Philly, take 76 to the Valley Forge exit. it might take 20 minutes or so. I'll be there...holding my breath for Marathon 4 (and then passing out)

Anyhow, I don't know about the rest of you but I deserve the 970! I saved up one summer and bought myself a 7200/75! They forgot to put a FPU on my 475 ;)! They made me use system 7.5! I payed for eWorld! And I still love them! They owe it to me!

[neutrino23]

At a hall just outside Yuurakucho there will be a screening of the keynote. This is pretty amazing as in Japan the keynote will start at 2:00AM and run till 4:00AM.

Doors open at 1:00AM, just about the time the trains stop running and the bars close. If you go you are stuck there for the night.

[ZildjianKX]

My question is what will happen with the powerbooks now... Despite what Casanova says... I think I might be dissapointed. :(

[ianimate3d]

haha! I scheduled June 23rd off about 3 weeks ago thinking this would probably happen, and I would get to watch the keynote that lots claimed would not be aired. It's going to be a great year for apple fans!

[mstecker]

Originally posted by bertagert
For the people in Philly. How far away is King of Prussia from philly? Looks like I'll be back east for two months when these nice lovies come out.

The KoP store is about 15 miles from downtown philly - BUT - it's not one of the "theater" stores. They didn't show the iPod/ITMS talk there, and I'm betting they won't show this one.

[jobberwacky]

Does anyone have details of where the Berlin event will be taking place (and how to get in)?

Thanx
Andreas

[dhaveconfig]

this seems to have been missed, but everyone is taking this to be gospel truth, and as far as I can see, there is no source attributed whatsoever.

Why should we believe this?

(curious, not antagonistic...)

[Veldek]

Originally posted by jobberwacky
Does anyone have details of where the Berlin event will be taking place (and how to get in)?

The only place I got information about it was here:

http://www.macs.ch/pages/five/pages/infonews/whatsnew.tmpl?cart=326458147558

It seems like you have to be invited.

[soggywulf]

Originally posted by bertagert
For the people in Philly. How far away is King of Prussia from philly? Looks like I'll be back east for two months when these nice lovies come out.

It's close enough. About 30 mins northwest. Go up I-76 (Schuylkill Expressway), and you pretty much run right into it just before hitting the PA turnpike. Be careful when you go though, I-76 can get real backed up at times. Check traffic.

The Apple Store there is a good one, I have to say. I was happy to see lots of non-Mac-geek-types browsing the store when I saw it last. :)

[MovieGuy]

Excited no matter what!

[nagromme]

I'd like to know the source too, because if it's more reliable than rumor, it's the most concrete (if vague) reason yet to get excited.

But people WILL still be disappointed--maybe not many, but a very vocal few! Because not ALL the rumors can come true. This suggests Apple has SOMETHING big in store, but we really don't know what. It could be something unrelated to anything we've expected. And it might not ship for 60+ days, whatever it is. And whatever it is, it will have certain details that "could have been better" in people's minds. Price, MHz, lack of USB 2, weird new case, faint smell of rotting 'possum... something.

Rumor devotees tend to be disappointed by most Apple events. Whatever is coming, however great, expectations will be even higher. Be prepared and remember that this is the next, not the last, thing coming from Apple.

Regardless, for me, the big news IS Panther, however long it takes to get. Panther, and not any speeds or specs, is what will keep me from ever going Wintel. I am anxious for Panther details!

EDIT: What if Panther, all by itself, is big enough to deserve a broadcast? That could be even more exciting than getting 970s earlier than the fall.

[Kurt]

Was there an official announcement of this from Apple? I could not find anything on Apple's web site.

[visor]

steve jobs invited me 'personally' to the wwdc, but the invitation to the berlin event - which i'd like to attend - has yet to appear... aw, rats ;)

[iSegway]

EDIT: What if Panther, all by itself, is big enough to deserve a broadcast? That could be even more exciting than getting 970s earlier than the fall.

What are you imagining that would make Panther so incredible?

[arn]

Originally posted by nagromme
I'd like to know the source too, because if it's more reliable than rumor, it's the most concrete (if vague) reason yet to get excited.


source: MacRumors.com

[mohaukachi]

at least we know that were going to see something now. who knows what tho! (plz be the g5)

[MetallicPenguin]

I am waiting for the G5 Aluminum 15", but I can't wait for the 970's in general and the preview of Panther!!!! Does anybody remember the updates to iChat and videoconferencing? I bet that will be a previewed feature for Panther maybe, now that I think about it. We'll have to see what happens.

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by arn
source: MacRumors.com

The only place to be. :)

Gr8 news! Gosh, I hope there will be that webcast aswell..... Very exciting times for a Mac-lover!

[soggywulf]

As far as the source of the info, are we talking about the same thing?? Look at what the article says:

Macworld asked: "So, people who are expecting good things at the conference will not be disappointed?"

"No, they will not be disappointed," Casanova said, firmly.

OK. So obviously no one is doubting the fact that MacWorld actually interviewed this high-level Apple employee, right? And that Apple employee is probably somewhat aware of what "people" are "expecting", right? That in itself is enough to convince me that they are at least demoing 970s and announcing availability in a reasonably short time.

Now the rumor part of this is what arn is telling us, re the unusual broadcast. Why is anyone expecting macrumors to reveal its sources?? That'd be a pretty dumb thing to do, wouldn't it. So we don't know that for sure; but we have a "reliable" rating of the rumor source (combined with macrumors' good rep), and it sure fits in with the heavier confirmation from the article. Again, good enough for me.

[adamfilip]

i hope they release new LCD's with built in Cameras for i chat video conferencing.

and built in 2 port usb 2 hub, also a light sensor on the frame of the lcd to light up the new full sized backlit desktop keyboard like on the pb 17

[BJNY]

Cool idea adamfilip.
in 20" 24" and 30", please.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by arn
source: MacRumors.com

That is enough confirmation for me!

[Compufix]

Ohhh and I just happen to be going to WWDC....wonder how early I should be at the convention center to get in for the keynote 8-)....gonna be like sitting outside TicketMaster waiting for the sale of tickets 8-)...hjehheh can't wait...I am eagerly awaiting being part of history as Apple releases new hardware that will leap ahead of anything out there...lets hope they can KEEP it outfront ......

[jbrown]

can anyone tell me what time it is on in London?=====:confused: :confused:

[Freg3000]

I think 6 PM London time, But the article says that it will be broadcast live at Apple Stores (of which there are none in Europe) with the strong possibility of a video of the keynote afterwards, like the music annoucements in late April. So I doubt you'll be doing anything at 6 PM besides checking MacRumors. :)

[sandsl]

I thought some of you would be interested in counting down to Steve Jobs WWDC keynote on the 23rd June, so take a look at www.3cmug.co.uk its at the bottom of the page.
Not long now :D !!

If you want to use it on your site, please e-mail the webmaster of 3cmug first (webmaster@3cmug.co.uk)

(Keynote does start at 6PM in the UK btw)

[pyrotoaster]

Whee-hoo! I've got a good feeling about this keynote...
Apple Store Woodfield here I come!
Originally posted by arn
I think Hypertransport rumors confirmed 970 talk at WWDC.... but yes, the question is shipping when?

arn
A rumor? Confirmed!? what insanity, arn! ;)

[MetallicPenguin]

Unfortuantly I'll be in New York at some sort of award thing for my great uncle I think.

[Veldek]

Originally posted by Freg3000
I think 6 PM London time, But the article says that it will be broadcast live at Apple Stores (of which there are none in Europe) with the strong possibility of a video of the keynote afterwards, like the music annoucements in late April. So I doubt you'll be doing anything at 6 PM besides checking MacRumors.

Well, there actually were live streams of the music announcements. Not by Apple, but that doesn't matter too much. I admit that there won't be non-Apple streams this time probably, but one never knows...

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by Veldek
Well, there actually were live streams of the music announcements. Not by Apple, but that doesn't matter too much. I admit that there won't be non-Apple streams this time probably, but one never knows...

Yes, that is true-there was no live Apple live stream to the public. However, I do remember how sad it was as I tried to watch it live via MSNBC. :(

[eric_n_dfw]

I've been trying to get a hold of the Apple sales offices at the Dallas Infomart to see if they will be carrying it in their uber-nice theatre room but I cannot seem to find the correct number or an email for them. I've seen 2 events there, a MacWorld keynote and the Final Cut Pro 3 road-show and both required a sort of "reservation" as seating is limited.

The number that is in my old 1999 SBC White Pages (which is the number that the InfoMart front desk gives me) always comes up busy.

Any other DFW locals have any info on them?

I'll just head for Plano (WillowBend) and watch it there with the masses otherwise. (Already told my manager that I'm taking the whole day off! :D )

[Foxer]

cool.

[nickgold]

Originally posted by wildmac
I'm seeing the 3D graphics world go all PC, and even the video world too... (Adobe is helping that along too..)
[/B]

Wow, what other kinds of strange things are happening in the sphere of computing IN BIZARRO WORLD? So, Premiere is attracting SO many people to PCs, cuz it ROCKS and stuff? Wacky.

See, here in the real world, the OPPOSITE of that is happening -- crazy, eh? Yeah, in our world, FCP has pretty much risen to the top of inexpensive yet professional video editing systems.

[Vlade]

Anyone wanna buy me a ticket to WWDC:p

Every day it seams the 970 rumors are more and more true... i hope we aren't getting our hopes up just to see a 1.6GHZ G4

[MetallicPenguin]

I think we should all email Steve or something. Ask him whats going to happen:cool:

[imamacguy17]

i had a comfirmation yesterday (before i saw this post actually) from one of the employees of the woodfield store (pyrotoaster im going to be there too) and she said the keynote would be address and then she asked me twice if i wanted to buy the power mac i was using. the first time i said i was waiting until next year when i knew if I had gotten the RA position I am applying for and that I didnt have enough room on my credit card. Then she came back and said that I could take an Apple Loan and get the education price. to quote spongebob squarepants IM READY IM READY IM READY too bad its a week away. ARRRRRRRRR

Chris

PS. i think part of why WWDC is being broadcast is because of No MWNY. so there will be some consumer information. if not we can riot.

[dethl]

Bring it on Apple...Bring it on. :cool:

I really hope there is a webcast of the keynote....then again, I hope my computer at work can reliably stream it (government computer...has to go though a government proxy/firewall :( )

Stevie J., don't disappoint us now! :p

[Jimmni]

Originally posted by nagromme
Regardless, for me, the big news IS Panther, however long it takes to get. Panther, and not any speeds or specs, is what will keep me from ever going Wintel. I am anxious for Panther details!

EDIT: What if Panther, all by itself, is big enough to deserve a broadcast? That could be even more exciting than getting 970s earlier than the fall.

I completely agree. I still run an iMac 400, with 10.2. It's far, far, far slower than the sort of PC I could get for even just $300, and when I replace it, I could get an iMac at about 1ghz (pro machines are out of my price range) or a PC at about 3ghz, with a bigger monitor, more memory, bigger hard disk, better graphics card. I'll be getting the Mac, though. Why? OS X. That's all that keeps me using Apple now. Speed just isn't as important as a beautiful, functional, enjoyable OS. I have to use Windows a fair bit, and I hate it. I was a Windows devotee for years, until I tried OS 8.6 one day. I haven't looked back. The speed gap would have had me switch back to PCs if it wasn't for OS X. When that came alone I knew I'd never willingly use anything else. I'm actually going to have to buy a cheap, mid-range PC to play Uru (and Doom III). I can get what I need for about $300. To buy a similar spec Mac would cost more than $2000, and it's barely be faster. If at all. Even if both those games were out on Mac, I'd still have to buy a PC. Why? I can't afford ot buy a new computer at >$1000 right now. I'll be saving, and when I have the cash I'll slap it down on the latest consumer Mac. But these 970s will be out of my price range for at least a year. It's not the beauty of the hardware that keeps me from switching, and even if Apple do release 970 this month, they'll still cost at least 1/3 more than similar spec PCs. But you pay for the extra quality and style. That's fine. It's not what keeps me here. It's OS X. So I'd not be suprised if Panther is all that's announced, nor would I be dissapointed. Sorry for the incoherant ramble, but heh.

- Jimmni :)

[shecky]

Clearly this is a move of Apple thumbing its nose at IDG and the Macworld Expo. Think about it... Apple will be in a position to make what look to be MAJOR product announcements 2 weeks before Macworld NY in July. Going forward Apple may have 2 events in which to see a SteveNote = MYSF in January, and WWDC in June, as well as ocassional random press events (eg. iTunes Music store)

Even tho WWDC is a developer conference, i see no reason why Apple can't not combine both developer and product release in one event quite nicely. So IDG now gets one conference instead of 2. Seems to me that expos are definetly beginning to die out now that all new product info is instantly accessable online anyway, and it costs a TON of $ for those expos - I can not even imagine what Apple's 'booth' must cost in real dollars.

[QuiteSure]

Originally posted by Kal-EL
Well, I'm not quite sure what a shootgun is, but you wouldn't be allowed on a plane with any type of gun. You'd make the papers for trying though.

I love it! Here's the headline:

"Crazed MacUser taken into custody after bitter disappointment following Apple's failure to release 970's at WWDC!"

[copperpipe]

I looked at the schedule for that day, and first they have the keynote, and then a break, and then they have "OS X State of the Union". This to me says that the keynote won't be so much about OS X, because they have a whole other section blocked out for just that. Maybe I'm off on this, but it seams like one more thing pointing in the direction of the 970 release...

[ComSense]

Just got off the phone with a couple of stores around NY/NJ. YES, there are in-store broadcasts, but not at every store.

SoHo: Of course.
Tice's Corner: Yes.
Short Hills: No -- they're a theater store, but they don't have a satellite.
Menlo Park: No -- they're not a theater store.

Glad I have the day off . . . 50-mile drive or not, I'll be at Tice's! :D

[buseman]

I looked at the schedule for that day, and first they have the keynote, and then a break, and then they have "OS X State of the Union". This to me says that the keynote won't be so much about OS X, because they have a whole other section blocked out for just that. Maybe I'm off on this, but it seams like one more thing pointing in the direction of the 970 release...

The state of the onion is *very* techy, at least if last year is an example.

But the fact that the Steve keynote weights in at a whopping two hours, can only mean something big is being announced :)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by ComSense
Just got off the phone with a couple of stores around NY/NJ. YES, there are in-store broadcasts, but not at every store.

SoHo: Of course.
Tice's Corner: Yes.
Short Hills: No -- they're a theater store, but they don't have a satellite.
Menlo Park: No -- they're not a theater store.

Glad I have the day off . . . 50-mile drive or not, I'll be at Tice's! :D

i assume you weren't told to make a reservation or anything, right? (just asking because someone mentioned something about that in the dallas store....). i hope to hit up the soho store. i'm sure it will be packed.

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by arn
I think Hypertransport rumors confirmed 970 talk at WWDC.... but yes, the question is shipping when?


From an emotional point of view, I hope immediately. But from a practical point of view, I think any time before the bulk of next year's school purchases are made would be good.

Then I would like to see Apple push hard for educational purchases, especially for college students. With X windows standard in Panther, a 64-bit hardware and OS, good development tools, all the Unix (and X windows), Mac, and Java programs running natively, and two Windows/PC emulation packages available, I think Apple can make a strong case that their system is the right solution to get new students through college.

[MetallicPenguin]

Can someone see if the Southpoint Apple Store is going to be showing the WWDC? I might call them later.

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by ComSense

Menlo Park: No -- they're not a theater store.

Grumble, grumble. I was in an Apple store in California, and they did not have a theater either. I asked them how they demonstrated software, and the sales person said they just did it on a regular PowerMac.

You can effectively show about 2 people on a regular screen. All Apple stores should include at least a portable screen and a good projector to demo software, show movies customers have made, run Apple TV ads, show Apple broadcast events, etc.

Apple store managers without theaters and satellite systems, you have about a week to make this happen. Get cracking. ;)

[TheOne]

Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
I think we should all email Steve or something. Ask him whats going to happen:cool:

Not a bad idea... But I couldn't find Steve's e-mail on the site. :( However, I did find a whole list of other people at the "Press Contacts" section... It never hurts to ask I guess.

[MetallicPenguin]

I think he has a fake email address of steve@mac.com, other than that I'll have to look some more.

[soggywulf]

sj@pixar.com

Remember when he first re-joined and everybody got pissed at him about the clone killing thing...and he wrote some kind of public response to that, and this was the address given.

[tacomancini]

sjobs@apple.com

[COS]

The Biltmore Phoenix AZ store says that they will have a live broadcast.

Anyone in Phoenix want to meet me there?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by COS
The Biltmore Phoenix AZ store says that they will have a live broadcast.

Anyone in Phoenix want to meet me there?

the biltmore store is pretty nice

the chandler one is where i met the most annoying saleswoman ever.... was happy to get away. hah

[MetallicPenguin]

Here's a quick mock-up I made of the 15" Aluminum model for everyone to enjoy:

[COS]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
the chandler one is where i met the most annoying saleswoman ever.... was happy to get away. hah

I've only been to the Chandler store once. I went there when the LCD imacs were first released and the Biltmore store didn't have any in stock yet.

Care to meet me at the Biltmore?

They said the broadcast starts at 10:00 am and that it will be relatively "low key" because Apple isn't hyping it very much. Maybe that means the lines wont extend all the way around the Mall like they did with the release of Jaguar.

[noverflow]

Chandler Fashion Center in AZ
Yes... then she told me when it was.
Wonder how many calls about this they have gotten. She did not even have to ask or anything

[zuggerat]

does anyone know if the roosevelt field apple store will be showing WWDC i'd definitely brave the LIE to see it

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by zuggerat
does anyone know if the roosevelt field apple store will be showing WWDC i'd definitely brave the LIE to see it

I love the Roosevelt Field Apple Store-I go there a lot. :) But I am afraid that it doesn't have a theater, and therefore will not be broadcasting it. Looks like I'll just have to stick it out in the MacRumors IRC Channel. :D

[e2chris]

I can see Steve demonstrating the new ichat/video conferencing with webcams in all the stores and he connects to them via ichat in WWDC. He connects to the Apple Store in Boston or something like that. Just a thought

[MetallicPenguin]

No comments on my mock-up?

[iGav]

Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
No comments on my mock-up?

Errr... okay...

How many hours did you slave over that?? :eek: :p :p

[StarmanDeluxe]

Originally posted by voicegy
Yes! Apple Store, Fashion Valley San Diego here I come! What a great way to spend a Monday morning! (uh, oh, better re-calendar a few meetings!)

I'll see ya there ;)

[inkswamp]

Hey all. I've been following Mac rumors sites for several years now and enjoying the ride, but I have to admit that I'm a little puzzled at how willingly so many of us hype ourselves up. I've witnessed this cycle so many times. Apple has some cool new goodies to show off, and the rumor site regulars start gearing up for the Be-All-End-All Macintosh. Then, when Apple unveils lots of cool new goodies, the tone in these forums (and elsewhere) turns sour. Despite the fact that Apple did some great stuff, everyone is annoyed, disappointed and unimpressed--and for no reason. I have almost never been unimpressed with Apple's presentations, but then I keep most rumors at arm's-length. When something does pan out... wonderful! When it doesn't... cool anyway. I think some of you who hype these things up to the level of betting your own personal happiness and satisfaction on it really need to take a deep breath and put it all in perspective. Will you really be let down if all Apple does is an in-depth presentation of Panther??? C'mon! That will be amazing all on its own.

[nagromme]

Originally posted by arn
source: MacRumors.com

Good enough! It sounded like something Apple might have emailed officially about.

Sounds like some stores are confirming this on the phone too.

Originally posted by inkswamp
...
I've witnessed this cycle so many times. Apple has some cool new goodies to show off, and the rumor site regulars start gearing up for the Be-All-End-All Macintosh. Then, when Apple unveils lots of cool new goodies, the tone in these forums (and elsewhere) turns sour. Despite the fact that Apple did some great stuff, everyone is annoyed, disappointed and unimpressed--and for no reason. I have almost never been unimpressed with Apple's presentations, but then I keep most rumors at arm's-length. When something does pan out... wonderful! When it doesn't... cool anyway.
...

Yes, I'm fully expecting the "sour wave," but I doubt I'll be joining it!

Next question: I wonder if the press is invited to the keynote? That would seem to be an important piece. Or is that event always open to the press?

[gandalf55]

i picked up an iTrip at the NorthShore Mall Apple Store just a little while ago, and i asked if the wwdc was going to be broadcast there... this is the low down at the register:

me: "Is there going to be a broadcas..."

store: "yes, the wwdc will be shown here in the store. we are really excited about it."

me: "where are you going to put the new merchandise? hehe."

store: <looking side to side> "Hehehe." <head nod for me to leave the guy alone>

=============
there is def. something going on... and if it was just current hardware ramping, i don't think they would need NEW space in the store to display it, would they? this must be NEW hardware... a new product offering (while still offering the current lineup.)

man, i'm pretty excited :)

[mohaukachi]

Originally posted by gandalf55
i picked up an iTrip at the NorthShore Mall Apple Store just a little while ago, and i asked if the wwdc was going to be broadcast there... this is the low down at the register:

me: "Is there going to be a broadcas..."

store: "yes, the wwdc will be shown here in the store. we are really excited about it."

me: "where are you going to put the new merchandise? hehe."

store: <looking side to side> "Hehehe." <head nod for me to leave the guy alone>

=============
there is def. something going on... and if it was just current hardware ramping, i don't think they would need NEW space in the store to display it, would they? this must be NEW hardware... a new product offering (while still offering the current lineup.)

man, i'm pretty excited :)

dood that give me chills... he knows whats up! *sings* im gonna get a G5! im gonna get a G5!

[freundt]

Originally posted by Jimmni
I completely agree. I still run an iMac 400, with 10.2. It's far, far, far slower than the sort of PC I could get for even just $300, and when I replace it, I could get an iMac at about 1ghz (pro machines are out of my price range) or a PC at about 3ghz, with a bigger monitor, more memory, bigger hard disk, better graphics card. I'll be getting the Mac, though. Why? OS X. That's all that keeps me using Apple now.

- Jimmni :)

Actually, the one thing that is getting me to switch, and lay out the money for all new software, is the OS, and the attitude of apple. I'm vary weary of windows and microsoft, and do not feel that they have any interest in pleasing people, unless it gives them good PR. I run a simple firewall app on my machine, and get strange connection requests all the time from my machine, like "Do you want to RunnDLL as an app to access the interenet" - when I'm doing nothing on the computer.
I do not like their ability to snoop into my machine in order to please their buisness partners. (i.e. RIAA, BSA(the buisness software alliance, not the boy scouts of america),etc... I'd rather feel like I OWN my machine and not some corporation. Pretty soon, with palladium, you will not even have root access to your own machine. (Ok a littel exagerrated, but hey, you get my point).
I've tried linux, but it is just not ready, and has none of the major programs I need to use.
So, I'm splashing into OSX with this upcoming round of hardware releases (The powerbook actually).

GAH! I meant to say a basic "Yes, I agree" but ended up writing a novel...

_f

[freundt]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
so that's why apple got 100/100 points in that research where lockheed martin got 0/100 ;)

hey... gay people are good at selling stuff, because they're gay. no one's willing to buy anything from a sad person.. so be gay if you wanna sell something :D ;)

Heh, SO for those of you who don't know the original meaning of gay.. Gay meant Happy before it meant homosexual.

As IN:"when the 970's are released, I will be very gay."

[JoeRadar]

Will you really be let down if all Apple does is an in-depth presentation of Panther???

I think the community will be disappointed. But think of it this way: the fact that few people are clamoring for something new in the OS tells me that Jaguar is darn good. Apple is finally clicking on the operating system. What was it, 1996 when Apple finally abandoned its own modern OS effort and looked for an outside supplier? Then it took about 5 1/2 years from the NeXT acquisition to the release of Jaguar and making it the default OS (are those numbers right?).

I think the lack of buzz about Panther indicates that Apple fans are finally happy about and proud of their operating system. Mac OS X has arrived. :D

For me, I am going to be there for a full week immersed in all things Mac OS X. If no 970 is announced during the keynote, I will be disappointed for a few minutes, but then all the rest of the fun begins after lunch.

[MacKid]

Originally posted by mymemory
I may have my fireworks in one hand and a shootgun ready with a plane ticket to LA on the other hand. Jobs... you choose:mad:

Parade or riot.

What was that all about???:confused:

[iznAdiznam]

Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
No comments on my mock-up?
Its nice, but don't you think it looks a lot like Apple's 15" Tibook?

D'OH!!!

No, just kidding, I think thats what it'll look like. Aluminum instead of Titanium, kind of easy, don't you think? Maybe backlit keyboard.

Adam

[MacKid]

Originally posted by inkswamp
Hey all. I've been following Mac rumors sites for several years now and enjoying the ride, but I have to admit that I'm a little puzzled at how willingly so many of us hype ourselves up. I've witnessed this cycle so many times. Apple has some cool new goodies to show off, and the rumor site regulars start gearing up for the Be-All-End-All Macintosh. Then, when Apple unveils lots of cool new goodies, the tone in these forums (and elsewhere) turns sour. Despite the fact that Apple did some great stuff, everyone is annoyed, disappointed and unimpressed--and for no reason. I have almost never been unimpressed with Apple's presentations, but then I keep most rumors at arm's-length. When something does pan out... wonderful! When it doesn't... cool anyway. I think some of you who hype these things up to the level of betting your own personal happiness and satisfaction on it really need to take a deep breath and put it all in perspective. Will you really be let down if all Apple does is an in-depth presentation of Panther??? C'mon! That will be amazing all on its own.

Actually, in case you have been paying more attention to the rumors than the forums :eek: (lol j/k), more than 90% of the people say "I guess no ______ but did you hear that the new _______ can even _______??!!??"

:cool:

[ColoJohnBoy]

Hurray! I hope this means that some pretty incredible prosumer hardware will be released. Like a PowerBook 970. Yes, yes, I'm aware of all the naysayers, but I'm really quite sure that it'll happen.


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[mathiasr]

Originally posted by shecky
Going forward Apple may have 2 events in which to see a SteveNote = MYSF in January, and WWDC in June, as well as ocassional random press events (eg. iTunes Music store)
And Apple Expo Paris, France mid september:
http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/index.nclk?home=gp

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by freundt
Heh, SO for those of you who don't know the original meaning of gay.. Gay meant Happy before it meant homosexual.

As IN:"when the 970's are released, I will be very gay."

If not you'll be very str8.

:D :D :D

[Foxer]

any word from the Chicago area stores? Or am I going to have to travel to another region to see this thing live?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Foxer
any word from the Chicago area stores? Or am I going to have to travel to another region to see this thing live?

do they have theaters? you can just call one. :)

[Wonder Boy]

I found this on looprumors. With all the talk of reconfiguring the stores for the new hardware, i thought it would be relevant.

Redesigned store (http://www.looprumors.com)

[ultrafiel]

I hope that Apple has a web broadcast, because I already planned to go to work late or take it off to watch it. When I watched the iTunes Store deal on media player that sucked, the quality was terrible. I rewatched when it was available through Quicktime.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I found this on looprumors. With all the talk of reconfiguring the stores for the new hardware, i thought it would be relevant.

Redesigned store (http://www.looprumors.com)

As said in the article, that is exactly how my Apple Store was already set up, except for the factor that it is narrower.

[COS]

Loop Rumors says that they got rid of the theatre. That's wierd...

[MetallicPenguin]

Originally posted by adamschneids
Its nice, but don't you think it looks a lot like Apple's 15" Tibook?

D'OH!!!

No, just kidding, I think thats what it'll look like. Aluminum instead of Titanium, kind of easy, don't you think? Maybe backlit keyboard.

Adam

Yeah I was just making it to see how it would look.

[job]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I found this on looprumors. With all the talk of reconfiguring the stores for the new hardware, i thought it would be relevant.

Redesigned store (http://www.looprumors.com)

Oddly enough the Houston Galleria store already exists in the configuration mentioned in the Looprumors article. The registers are all the way in the back with a minimal software selection. CompUSA has more software than the Galleria store. The Genius Bar in the Galleria store is also exactly where the Looprumors article says it is.

I wonder if any of the 'newer' Apple stores already look like this?

[MetallicPenguin]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I found this on looprumors. With all the talk of reconfiguring the stores for the new hardware, i thought it would be relevant.

Redesigned store (http://www.looprumors.com)

If you open the picture in a new window you get a much bigger more detailed picture just incase no one noticed.

(edit: I knew I would read it again only to find that he said you can enlarge it)

[job]

That looks just like the Houston Galleria Apple store.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

[jelloshotsrule]

i can't seem to get the full size image up here. can someone post it at full size?


the question is, will this replace the set up at stores that have theaters? or just change it up for the ones that don't?

i can't exactly see the soho store going to this design...

[mustang_dvs]

The Apple Store in King of Prussia, PA, also looks like this. Did it always have this layout? (I've only visited it once.)

I have yet to drop by my local store at Clarendon, VA to see if it still has a theater.

[MetallicPenguin]

Yeah because first of all that design is much narrower (not sure if this would keep Apple from doing it but I don't see them with different width stores, nor do I see them with different looking stores...so). I'll post it:
..no neverind I can't, it's too big.

[nickgold]

That's not a store redesign -- the Towson, MD Apple Store has always looked like that, and its been open for months now. Scratch Looperumors as being even remotely believable for any Mac rumor in the future. Not that I check any rumor sites other than this one, and sometimes Thinksecret.

[reb]

An earlier clue to the 970s debut was when it was noted that Jobs' keynote address was extended from 1.5 hours to two hours! Broadcasting his speach is great news and marketing. Store crowds of faithful will attract potential switchers to Jobs' performance. Great!

[coconn06]

Originally posted by bertagert
For the people in Philly. How far away is King of Prussia from philly? Looks like I'll be back east for two months when these nice lovies come out.

King of Prussia is about 30 minutes or so (longer depending on traffic on I-76, which is never good)

[Foxer]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I found this on looprumors. With all the talk of reconfiguring the stores for the new hardware, i thought it would be relevant.

Redesigned store (http://www.looprumors.com)

It is my understanding that there are three classes of Apple Stores. Boutique, Regular and Flagship.

The Boutique stores (from personal experience, these are in Milwaukee, one of the Chicago stores, Sommerset in Michigan) are like this picture. Small software selection.

Regular stores (don't remember the official designation) are like the Woodfield Chicago, Pasadena, Durham, NC. Registers in the front, theatre, genius bar in the back. Software in the middle of the store behind the registers. (Pasadena actually varied from this style a little. Sort of in between a boutique and larger store.

Flagships are in Soho and LA - soon to be downtown in Chicago. Very big, so i hear.

[solvs]

Just confirmed that the Bellvue, WA store will have it on a QT stream (no theatre). Wonder if that means there will be an internet stream for the rest of us? If not, looks like I'll go there.

Unless I have to work. :(

[job]

Originally posted by Foxer
It is my understanding that there are three classes of Apple Stores. Boutique, Regular and Flagship.

That makes sense.

[tazznb]

Originally posted by nickgold
Wow, what other kinds of strange things are happening in the sphere of computing IN BIZARRO WORLD? So, Premiere is attracting SO many people to PCs, cuz it ROCKS and stuff? Wacky.

See, here in the real world, the OPPOSITE of that is happening -- crazy, eh? Yeah, in our world, FCP has pretty much risen to the top of inexpensive yet professional video editing systems.

He is right about 3D workshops, etc. Thanks to the laggard upgrade path of Moto almost all companies doing 3d (including Pixar) have gone on to use Intel's chips.

Hopefully over time Apple will regain some of this market; those that left won't return overnight, if at all.

Apple really needs to give PRO users PRO expandability, and PRO PERFORMANCE, as well as a more competitive price. :(

Apple has one bulldog of a chip in the 970 (please don't choke it with a poodle's collar) Ex A Moto G4 with under 200Mhz bus speed.

I'll try my best to be at an Apple store for the transmission, and bring a carton of eggs, or two in case we were led on. (I don't break things like most nuts, but I can make quite the mess. :o

[erockerboy]

I like the fact that in the Looprumors piece, they claim Apple has been "internally" replacing the WWDC acronym with the phrase "We Will Delight Crowds".

Yummy. :D:D:D

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by Foxer
any word from the Chicago area stores? Or am I going to have to travel to another region to see this thing live?
You've never been to either?

Here's the skinny on Chicago's Apple Stores:
Woodfield - First opened, big, has theater, showed the MWSF Keynote live (so I have every reason to believe they'll show the WWDC keynote, too)
Oakbrook - Opened about six/seven months ago, small (it's exactly like the quote-unquote redesign LoopRumors is talking about), no theather
Mag Mile - Should open in about two weeks from what I've heard. It's supposed to be like SoHo.

I'll be at Woodfield covering the Keynote for MacUnderground. Hope to see you there.

[crees!]

Originally posted by nickgold
That's not a store redesign -- the Towson, MD Apple Store has always looked like that, and its been open for months now. Scratch Looperumors as being even remotely believable for any Mac rumor in the future. Not that I check any rumor sites other than this one, and sometimes Thinksecret.

nickgold, do you know if the Towson store will broadcast? I think I might call them. Also I go to school in Arlington and there's a Apple store right up the road. I'll look into them.

Please one of them better broadcast and if not there better be a live internet stream for the rest of us.

[UltimaMAC]

anyone in the south, i was wondering if this store in atlanta is showing it...anyone wanna meet up if they are?

3393 Peachtree Road N.E.
Atlanta, GA 30326
(404) 926-3085

[theFly]

For those of you in and around the Tampa Bay area, the store at International Plaza will be showing the keynote as well.

theFly
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[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by reb
Jobs' keynote address was extended from 1.5 hours to two hours!

Given people will stand in line early, get a seat, and then wait through 2 hours of keynote, can you imagine the run on the bathrooms afterwards?

[saabmp3]

I know there was talk about the Chestnut Hill store, but what about the Apple store in the Cambridge Side Galleria in Boston? Does anybody know if they are going to be broadcasting the even there? If they are I might just have a reason to trudge through the traffic in the morning.

BEN

[dethl]

Gonna be a bit off topic...

I just got done talking to my mom, who was talking to an Apple rep at a CompUSA store. I told her to ask him if anything new was coming at the end of the month. The rep laughed and said something to the effect that the rumor sites are pretty accurate at whats coming out. I think he gave a reference to macosrumors.com, but I'm not too sure.

So I'm now hyped up on this PPC970 thing for sure. I'm believe Apple will deliver these, but they might be a few months off.

[MetallicPenguin]

You mean MacRumors, not MacOSRumors, right? I would hope so.

[Stike]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Given people will stand in line early, get a seat, and then wait through 2 hours of keynote, can you imagine the run on the bathrooms afterwards?

Not necessarily, if Steve really delivers the goods, most people will already have peed their pants by the end of the show.

Now that would be a smelly keynote! :D

[MetallicPenguin]

But sweet at the same time!:D

[jimthorn]

I talked to an employee at the South Coast Plaza (Costa Mesa, California) Apple Store today, and she said they plan on showing the Keynote in the theater via satellite. They've done this several times there already, such as MWSF and the recent Apple Music one.

[Flynnstone]

If they show the keynote at Apple stores (perhaps only) AND they are making changes at Apple stores ....
perhaps after the keynote they will pull the tarp back and and you can pick up a fresh new PowerMac G5.


Just a thought :)

[FriarTuck]

I was wandering the Michigan Avenue area in Chicago today.

The Apple rep at the very nice Comp USA on Chicago Ave, about 2 blocks W of Michigan Ave. and about 5-6 blocks from the new flagship Apple store, admitted he wouldn't know anything ahead of June 23rd.

Being at the CompUSA with the Apple rep is like being in an alternate universe from the bad old days of Apples at Best Buy and Sears. It was the Vaio laptops missing some keys, the Compaq with the trashed applications, the HP turned off completely. Meanwhile, the Apple machines are running their demos and the rep is backed up by a couple of CompUSA employees who actually know something about Apple. My only complaint is that the locking mechanism they have on the iBooks and PowerBooks makes it impossible to adjust the screen position or show someone how light they are compared to the PeeCees.

The Apple Store on Michigan Avenue is very nearly finished. Signs already hang from the ceiling. The signs clearly identify a section as containing "Pro" gear. The Michigan Ave. store has the glass staircase in the middle like the SOHO store. It's opening on the 27th. See you there!

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
i assume you weren't told to make a reservation or anything, right? (just asking because someone mentioned something about that in the dallas store....). i hope to hit up the soho store. i'm sure it will be packed. For the record, I mentioned the Dallas Infomart Apple office theater requiring reservations in tha past, not the Apple Store. (The Apple office there is not a "store", it's a business office - I think for salespeople mainly)

[theFly]

Originally posted by dethl
I just got done talking to my mom, who was talking to an Apple rep at a CompUSA store. I told her to ask him if anything new was coming at the end of the month. The rep laughed and said something to the effect that the rumor sites are pretty accurate at whats coming out. I think he gave a reference to macosrumors.com, but I'm not too sure.

Not to kill your hope about the 970s, but...

I can guarantee you that the Apple Reps at CompUSA do not have any pre-knowledge about what's going to be announced. They'll learn if/when they have a conference call before the announcement.

Of the CompUSA reps I know, none of them even read rumor sites. I worked at CompUSA and the Apple Rep there and I will occassionally have discussions about what's coming up, but I have to clue him in on what rumors are floating around.

I would assume the same thing about Apple Store sales associates as well. They'll learn when the products arrive, unless they're wrapped and covered.

Realize that Apple works very hard to prevent new product information from leaking out, so informing a CompUSA sales rep is a bad idea. Not that any of them would intentionally leak anything (Apple would hope), but why entrust someone with key information if they can't do anything about it. Their job is to sell you what product they have on the shelf, not defer your purchase until the next generation PowerMac comes out.

I'm still amazed when I see stories of sales reps who tell customers to "wait until Tuesday..." before buying anything. I guess those folks aren't making any sales bonuses.

And to think, the keynote is on Monday, so in theory, there'll be now PowerMac introduction, only an xServe since Apple only announces xServe and Software products on Mondays. J/K :p

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[crees!]

Originally posted by theFly
Not to kill your hope about the 970s, but...

I can guarantee you that the Apple Reps at CompUSA do not have any pre-knowledge about what's going to be announced. They'll learn if/when they have a conference call before the announcement.

Of the CompUSA reps I know, none of them even read rumor sites. I worked at CompUSA and the Apple Rep there and I will occassionally have discussions about what's coming up, but I have to clue him in on what rumors are floating around.

I would assume the same thing about Apple Store sales associates as well. They'll learn when the products arrive, unless they're wrapped and covered.

Realize that Apple works very hard to prevent new product information from leaking out, so informing a CompUSA sales rep is a bad idea. Not that any of them would intentionally leak anything (Apple would hope), but why entrust someone with key information if they can't do anything about it. Their job is to sell you what product they have on the shelf, not defer your purchase until the next generation PowerMac comes out.

I'm still amazed when I see stories of sales reps who tell customers to "wait until Tuesday..." before buying anything. I guess those folks aren't making any sales bonuses.

And to think, the keynote is on Monday, so in theory, there'll be now PowerMac introduction, only an xServe since Apple only announces xServe and Software products on Mondays. J/K :p

theFly
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When I was at the Apple Store in Towson, MD a couple weeks ago I asked one of the reps about the new 15" Powerbooks and he said he wish he knew but had no clue. That they were completely in the dark about things.

(not for long though, then we'll all know :D )

[Kal-EL]

Originally posted by theFly
Not to kill your hope about the 970s, but...

I can guarantee you that the Apple Reps at CompUSA do not have any pre-knowledge about what's going to be announced. They'll learn if/when they have a conference call before the announcement.

theFly
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I don't think that's entirely true. Of the two reps that I've known at my local CompUSA, both of them are just that: Apple reps, not CompUSA employees who are apple experts. Both of these guys work for Apple Corporate. The first of the two, who no longer works at CompUSA, told me, after one MW Keynote, that he knew prior to the Keynote what wold be coming out. He had also been to several of the rumors sites because he talked about the rumored upgrade of the iMac prior to it's present incarnation. He didn't give away anything about the release or anything, he just talked about the rumors themselves. The current rep, was once asked by a customer about the rumored 30" Cinema Display that Apple was supposedly working on.
The customer said, "I've heard rumors that Apple is working on a 30" Cinema Display.", to which the rep replied with a smile,
"I've heard those rumors too."

Oh for those that live in Upstate New York, I called the Apple Store at the Galleria Mall in Buffalo today and they confirmed that they will be carrying the WWDC keynote broadcast.

[theFly]

Originally posted by Kal-EL
I don't think that's entirely true. Of the two reps that I've known at my local CompUSA, both of them are just that: Apple reps, not CompUSA employees who are apple experts. Both of these guys work for Apple Corporate.

I'm not saying they work for CompUSA, the Apple reps in CompUSA are bonafide Apple employees.

I'm sure that some of the Reps read rumor sites, my local one knows about the rumors from either me or other customers.

I question how far in advance he knew. I know for MWNY last year, the local rep had a (I wanna say) 8 a.m. conference call where they told the reps what was going to be announced.

It depends upon what it is. Final Cut 4? They knew a couple of weeks ahead when it was going to ship.

PowerMacs with 970s, I'll wager they know as much as I do.

theFly

[arn]

article clarified. These weren't meant to be considered complete store redesigns... simply product-display changes.

arn

[Hawthorne]

The Apple Store in the Chandler Fashion Square will be showing the keynote.

[leicaman]

Originally posted by QuiteSure
I love it! Here's the headline:

"Crazed MacUser taken into custody after bitter disappointment following Apple's failure to release 970's at WWDC!"

Actually, remembering a previous highly anticipated event, that Apple actually came out and denied there were going to be any hardware announcements to avoid the raging disappointment that had happened before; I would guess that Apple will have to either comment beforehand, or announce the 970s at WWDC. There isn't much wiggle room betwee those two choices.

[maradong]

will it be accessible for everybody, or only some "chosen" people ?
I hope it will be for everybody. even if the apple servers will be overloaded during the keynote ;-)

[NNO-Stephen]

anyone know if any of the Texas Apple Stores will be showing the keynote? maybe the St. Louis store? reason I ask is because I'm in Oklahoma and kinda in the middle of there, but really want to go see the keynote if it's not broadcasted on the web.

so, anyone know?


I still say new Apple Pro Keyboard and Apple Pro Mouse.

[pianojoe]

Originally posted by soggywulf



OK. So obviously no one is doubting the fact that MacWorld actually interviewed this high-level Apple employee, right? And that Apple employee is probably somewhat aware of what "people" are "expecting", right? That in itself is enough to convince me that they are at least demoing 970s and announcing availability in a reasonably short time.


What other thing did you expect an Apple employee to say? "Oh, yes, we're definitely going to disappoint our customers this time! Don't waste your time on our announcements, they'll be crap!"

Hype created by the rumor community is one thing (remember the G5?), but THIS is mega hype created by our favourite computer and software company, so they had better put performance where their mouth is.

(And, sorry for spelling "their" "their".)

[Stella]

Just *Maybe* WWDC keynote has been extended simply bcs there will be lots to demo in Pather? Its not necessarily due to spanking new 64bit hardware.

As for those boxes... hmmm....:D

ONE WEEK UNTIL WE FIND OUT!!!

[QuiteSure]

Originally posted by pianojoe
Hype created by the rumor community is one thing (remember the G5?), but THIS is mega hype created by our favourite computer and software company, so they had better put performance where their mouth is.


This hype has been created by IBM's many press releases and interest from the rumor community. I don't see how Apple has created any mega hype, except for Panther.

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by inkswamp

-snip- Will you really be let down if all Apple does is an in-depth presentation of Panther??? C'mon! That will be amazing all on its own.

I agree. I want a look at Panther. Is it faster than Jaguar, or is it just another incremental bug-fix?
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I can't afford new hardware, but it would be nice to see something new. Maybe Steve can compare Apples to Apples, new vs old.
=-=
Store improvements:
- How about a rack of user installable parts such as PCI cards, RAM chips and Hard drives for older computers such as my QuickSilver and my beige PowerMac.
- How about a shelf of OS Installer CD's for older PowerMac's. Have you tried to find an OS 9.1 Universal Installer CD?
=-=
Zealots: What can I say? You have only yourself to blame for your depression when you expected nirvana, but you were handed a grilled cheese sandwich instead.
-
JJ

[zoozx]

Apple is making a major leap in it's hardware and software line. Do you really think this won't be streamed to the public? Get real. They want to sell the things. Like everything, apple goes for the dramatic. It will be available.

[MetallicPenguin]

Good point, it should be streamed and I have faith they will.

[macmax]

I AM A mAC USER AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

I lend my ibook to my girlfriend, yes, again, on friday and then i used the stoooooooopid pc to make a stock trade , guess what, the thing just collpsed,froze, and i ended up loosing money.

The pc world can go to hell as far as i am concerned.

I will be buying a new Mac!!!!!Hopefully a 970 , but at this stage, i don't care as long as it has a bitten apple that i can see:D

[MacGizmo]

Apple talks about Panther and a few software apps = People will be pissed that they never talked about 970s.

Apple talks about 970s running Panther, but don't show them or go into detail = People will be pissed that they never showed the 970 or didn't go into enough detail.

Apple shows the 970 and it has the same case as the current tower = People will be pissed that they didn't have a new case for a new processor machine.

Apple shows the 970, running Panther, with a new case, but it's (the 970)not shipping until Panther ships in September = People will be pissed that they have to wait a while to buy a new machine (as if there is anything wrong with the current ones).

Apple shows the 970 running Panther in a new case design, and announces that they are shipping immediately = People will be pissed because they get a whole lot more machine, but Apple didn't reduce the price!

Apple shows the 970 running Panther with a new case design, they are available for purchase RIGHT NOW for $200 less than current machines = People are pissed at Apple cause they STILL aren't as fast as the fastest PC!

Will it ever end???? :rolleyes:

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by MacGizmo
Apple talks about Panther and a few software apps = People will be pissed that they never talked about 970s.

Apple talks about 970s running Panther, but don't show them or go into detail = People will be pissed that they never showed the 970 or didn't go into enough detail.

Apple shows the 970 and it has the same case as the current tower = People will be pissed that they didn't have a new case for a new processor machine.

Apple shows the 970, running Panther, with a new case, but it's (the 970)not shipping until Panther ships in September = People will be pissed that they have to wait a while to buy a new machine (as if there is anything wrong with the current ones).

Apple shows the 970 running Panther in a new case design, and announces that they are shipping immediately = People will be pissed because they get a whole lot more machine, but Apple didn't reduce the price!

Apple shows the 970 running Panther with a new case design, they are available for purchase RIGHT NOW for $200 less than current machines = People are pissed at Apple cause they STILL aren't as fast as the fastest PC!

Will it ever end???? :rolleyes:

Don't forget the powerbooks :)

[saint.duo]

There's an Apple Specialist in OKC that will probably downlink the stream if there is a satellite broadcast.

Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
anyone know if any of the Texas Apple Stores will be showing the keynote? maybe the St. Louis store? reason I ask is because I'm in Oklahoma and kinda in the middle of there, but really want to go see the keynote if it's not broadcasted on the web.

so, anyone know?


I still say new Apple Pro Keyboard and Apple Pro Mouse.

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by arn
article clarified. These weren't meant to be considered complete store redesigns... simply product-display changes.

Maybe Apple is going to set up a Window XP box showing iTunes for Widows.

[Windowlicker]

I'm also one of those who have no money for new hardware (I just put some money on a 15gb ipod though). I'm also still very happy with my g4/733 and it'll still be fine for a couple of years from now (I still use my old performa 6400/180!).

What I'm waiting from OSX (probably not from Panther though) is that the interface would be a bit snappier.. I had to boot to MacOS9 today, and opening windows etc felt so fast! I want some of that included in X.. Otherwise I'm already very happy with Jaguar.

What comes to hardware releases, I'm waiting for them pretty much only because I get that "oh but macs are so slooow" talk all the time. and people thinking that way will definitely not be switching.. and because they're not switching, I'll still be having only one (yes, only one) friend with a Mac and who lives in the same country ;)

[NNO-Stephen]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
I'll still be having only one (yes, only one) friend with a Mac and who lives in the same country ;)

bah! you got us :D

[logicat2001]

Apple talks about Panther and a few software apps...
Apple talks about 970s running Panther, but don't show them...
Apple shows the 970 and it has the same case....
Apple shows the 970, running Panther, with a new case, but it's....
etc...etc...etc...

MacGizmo, that is wildly brilliant! You've just cheered me up for the rest of 2003.

Best,
Logicat

[Windowlicker]

I really wish the wwdc was kept tomorrow and not after a week.. they make people wait for too long!

I for one (and I don't think I'm the only one) check this site more than once an hour if I'm on comp.. that's sick!

I still won't be disappointed of anything unless there's nothing else than Panther demoed.. and I'm pretty sure they have something else as well.

uhh only 8 more days (a bit less actually:))!!

[GulGnu]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
I'm also one of those who have no money for new hardware (I just put some money on a 15gb ipod though). I'm also still very happy with my g4/733 and it'll still be fine for a couple of years from now (I still use my old performa 6400/180!).

What I'm waiting from OSX (probably not from Panther though) is that the interface would be a bit snappier.. I had to boot to MacOS9 today, and opening windows etc felt so fast! I want some of that included in X.. Otherwise I'm already very happy with Jaguar.

What comes to hardware releases, I'm waiting for them pretty much only because I get that "oh but macs are so slooow" talk all the time. and people thinking that way will definitely not be switching.. and because they're not switching, I'll still be having only one (yes, only one) friend with a Mac and who lives in the same country ;)

Tjena!

As a recent (about a week =P) switcher (the iBook listed below is my first mac), I'm a bit curious about how much RAM you have in your g4/733, and what GFX card you are using. I'm saying this because I expected some clunkiness coming from XP after all the complaints I had heard in that regard about OS X. However, after getting my 'book, I can just say that I find OS X to be very snappy and overall responsive - this coming from a longtime XP user on a relatively fast PC. Sure, XP is very snappy (and pretty stable - good os overall), but I really don't find the difference between XP and OS X to be very substantial.

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

[nagromme]

Apple didn't have a live web stream of the music event, which was also big. But they DID offer a stream later. We can at least expect that.

Oh--and a grilled cheese sounds fine to me!

[EDIT: the music event isn't the one I'm thinking of I don't think... what was there recently that only had a stream afterwards?]

[job]

I'm guessing an announcement at the WWDC with Sept. ship dates.

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by GulGnu
Tjena!

As a recent (about a week =P) switcher (the iBook listed below is my first mac), I'm a bit curious about how much RAM you have in your g4/733, and what GFX card you are using. I'm saying this because I expected some clunkiness coming from XP after all the complaints I had heard in that regard about OS X. However, after getting my 'book, I can just say that I find OS X to be very snappy and overall responsive - this coming from a longtime XP user on a relatively fast PC. Sure, XP is very snappy (and pretty stable - good os overall), but I really don't find the difference between XP and OS X to be very substantial.

Regards / GulGnu

-Stabil som fan!

I agree - it's all relative.

Windows open faster in OS 9 = True.

But, the actual logical navigation is SO much slower than OS X (think column view, no multiple windows) that the actual time taken by computer and user to complete tasks is a lot quicker.:D

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by job
I'm guessing an announcement at the WWDC with Sept. ship dates.

People are so worried about ship dates. What's the longest Apple have made us wait recently - about 6-8 weeks I think, and even then, there was a lower spec model available a lot sooner. IF the 970 is announced, it surely CAN'T be more than 2 months to delivery or other PowerMac sales would suffer too much. Remember, that's HALF the time for a quarterly earnings report!!

[crees!]

Originally posted by job
I'm guessing an announcement at the WWDC with Sept. ship dates.
Unacceptable! :mad:

[MetallicPenguin]

Did a post or two get pulled? I think it was the one about the guy from Germany and him confirming the 970's...

[Nightstalker]

Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
Did a post or two get pulled? I think it was the one about the guy from Germany and him confirming the 970's...

i didn't see them, what did they say?

[crazyastro]

I have to assume that if Apple is actually broadcasting the Keynote to Apple Retail Stores, that it must be available as a Quicktime Stream. I mean... why not? Everything is already in place for that to happen.

Wishful thinking: Perhaps EVERY rumour we've heard since MacWorld is actually true! It *is* a two-hour long Keynote, my friends. My hopes are high. ;)

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by crazyastro
I have to assume that if Apple is actually broadcasting the Keynote to Apple Retail Stores, that it must be available as a Quicktime Stream. I mean... why not? Everything is already in place for that to happen.

Wishful thinking: Perhaps EVERY rumour we've heard since MacWorld is actually true! It *is* a two-hour long Keynote, my friends. My hopes are high. ;)
Wishful thinking is nice. But if that were true those new iPods would have been released several times over during the months of February and March.

Next Tuesday. No, next Tuesday! No, wait... NEXT Tuesday!!!

[MetallicPenguin]

Originally posted by Nightstalker
i didn't see them, what did they say?

Oops, no sorry that was in a different topic, it was in the Boxes article on page 2.

[nagromme]

Originally posted by crazyastro
I have to assume that if Apple is actually broadcasting the Keynote to Apple Retail Stores, that it must be available as a Quicktime Stream. I mean... why not? Everything is already in place for that to happen.

The music event was broadcast to Apple Stores but still did not have a live web stream. The video was available online only later.

[EDIT: the music event isn't the one I'm thinking of I don't think... what was there recently that only had a stream afterwards?]

Also, re announce dates vs. ship dates... IF anything about the 970 is made public in the keynote (rather than being discussed only in NDA sessions), and then the 970s ship in the fall, the worst we can blame Apple for is announcing them too soon.

If they are unable to get enough 970s on hand until fall, there's not much they can do about it. That's what we--and they--will have to survive. I think most of us can make it!

[crazyastro]

riiiight. however, for some strange reason it was available via msnbc stream. its was completely crappy and went down after watching 20 mins... but i still got to see the ipods introduced!

wasn't there a quiktime link... it just wasn't working? i hope Apple gets their ****e together and makes it work.

we needs to see this!

i am sooo tempted to take the 8 hour drive to minneapolis to watch it in the Apple store (the closest to Winnipeg).

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Stella
Just *Maybe* WWDC keynote has been extended simply bcs there will be lots to demo in Pather? Its not necessarily due to spanking new 64bit hardware.

As for those boxes... hmmm....:D

ONE WEEK UNTIL WE FIND OUT!!!

June 23rd News Headlines:

Jobs at WWDC: "Panther OS X v10.3 Shipping Immediately, in a Really Big Box"

:)

(Note that this is only a poor attempt at humor. Panther will most certainly NOT ship next week.)

[mathiasr]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Jobs at WWDC: "Panther OS X v10.3 Shipping Immediately, in a Really Big Box"
They could have bundled it with the new iBucketseat and Gran Tourismo 4 :D

[Veldek]

Found something, you don't really want to see, but if you dare to have a look:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29542

[mactheworld]

http://homepage.mac.com/ejacobi/about.html

[NNO-Stephen]

Originally posted by Veldek
Found something, you don't really want to see, but if you dare to have a look:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29542

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :( :o

[awinn233]

Originally posted by theFly
For those of you in and around the Tampa Bay area, the store at International Plaza will be showing the keynote as well.

theFly
www.flyonthemac.com
Rumors You Can Bet On

That's me, thanks.

[mactheworld]

Sorry anyone in Wi or Il but Marquett U just caned the Keynote but, im still sure of a stream. They must have one to ever schedule this event at MU.

[PensDevil]

So the WWDC keynote will be shown at various Apple Stores. I am assuking that these stores will pick up the keynote via satellite. So if it is being beamed down through the ether from orbit, and the stream is not digitally encrypted.... then anyone with a C-band or Ku--band satellite and receiver can pick up the keynote feed. The last few MW keynotes have had both C and KU band feeds (no digital or encryption). The dish here at work has actually been put to use for a change in wtaching these. Does anyone have any information regarding what satellite and transponder the keynote will be broadcast on?

[kenaustus]

Apple said:

Come watch the Keynote speach in our stores.

Not said:

Bring your credit card!

There is going to be something for you to spend your money on and it's probably going to be sufficiently exciting for you to reach for your wallet.

What would really get everyone going is if a FedEx truck pulled up to the stores just as Steve finishes talking and started unloading some boxes . . .

[eric_n_dfw]

Just called the Willow Bend store, they will be showing the keynote broadcast.

[soggywulf]

Originally posted by pianojoe
What other thing did you expect an Apple employee to say? "Oh, yes, we're definitely going to disappoint our customers this time! Don't waste your time on our announcements, they'll be crap!"

You know, there is some middle ground between "It's going to completely suck" and "It will be better than sex". The Apple QT guy wouldn't have made such a strong positive statement if he didn't know something to back it up. That was my point.

[iSmell]

I'm in New York and I plan to go to the SoHo store to watch this thing. When should I plan on getting there? I don't have much else to do, so I could just go early and wait, but I don't think I want to wake up really early (like before 7). Has anybody here been to previous in store shows like this? Any suggestions on how early to get there?
It looks like it's going to start 1:00 EST, so maybe I'll just go when I wake up and see how big the crowd is when I get there.
I'm not even going to buy one of these things and time soon, but it sure is exciting.





Power Monkey 970

[eric_n_dfw]

I'll probably try to be at the Willow Bend store about an hour early (11 AM CDT), if there's people jockeying for seat's I'll, hopefully, get to sit down. Otherwise it'll give me time to finally play with Final Cut Pro 4! (insert drool smilie here)

Definately need to leave the credit cards at home that morning!

[JJTiger1]

What's in that pallet at my local Apple Store?

The pallet is marked: DO NOT OPEN UNTIL JUNE 23.:confused:

Uh-oh, I wasn't supposed to see that...
-
JJ

[NNO-Stephen]

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
I'll probably try to be at the Willow Bend store about an hour early (11 AM CDT), if there's people jockeying for seat's I'll, hopefully, get to sit down. Otherwise it'll give me time to finally play with Final Cut Pro 4! (insert drool smilie here)

Definately need to leave the credit cards at home that morning!

willow bend is deffinately showing it 'eh? I'm gonna call them to check... I wanna go, but dont wanna drive from Tulsa to Plano for nothing ya know.

[NNO-Stephen]

ok, I called the willow bend store and they are gonna show it in their theatre. now I just got one major factor keeping me away... transportation. I can get down there, but no way back... and that's a long drive le me tell ya, but I dont have a car... so I'm screwed. unless someone else from the Tulsa area is going, then I could go half on gas. :p

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by JJTiger1
What's in that pallet at my local Apple Store?

The pallet is marked: DO NOT OPEN UNTIL JUNE 23.:confused:

Uh-oh, I wasn't supposed to see that...
-
JJ

I got an email (1:41 PM Central) from my local Apple Store that Steve's Keynote address will be televised to the store.
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Afterwards, we shall know what is in that pallet.

I'm guessing: Panther.

JJ

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by JJTiger1
I got an email (1:41 PM Central) from my local Apple Store that Steve's Keynote address will be televised to the store.
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Afterwards, we shall know what is in that pallet.

I'm guessing: Panther.

JJ

I'm gonna say a great big "No" to that one. There's no way they are releasing Panther without even seeding it to developers/testers first.

It's got to be hardware.

[leicaman]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I'm gonna say a great big "No" to that one. There's no way they are releasing Panther without even seeding it to developers/testers first.

It's got to be hardware.

You are correct. That's why Apple calls it a PREVIEW! I just got an email this morning from Apple saying they're giving every WWDC attendee a preview copy of 10.3.

Key word: preview. :D

[JJTiger1]

Changed my mind. I'm guessing: G5 TOWERS !!!

.. just a few hours to go.