Neverwinter

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

dude...i just got the game from macgamefiles.com and holy **** that is an awesome game. i've always been somewhat of an rpg nut, and this is like actually LIVING it. very cool...although it's only a sp demo right now ( :mad: ) i definatly gonna get it to play mp as soon as it comes out.

you guys should DEFINATLY check it out if your into gaming.

[Nermal]

Yeah I downloaded it, took a while cause I'm only on a 128k connection, and I liked it, although it's very short for 645 megs! I found a bug - I selected to make my character male, but in one of the screens later on it referred to him as "she". Anyway I hope they release an updated demo as they get closer to release, I'd love to see a different part of the world before forking over my hard-earned cash :)

[ThoughtKriminal]

Guys single player is NOTHING. the multiplayer is insane. tons of UNIQUE player made PERSISTANT worlds with thousands of UNIQUE items and such.

its total D&D so you can level up your character basically however you want, very rare to find two players excactly the same unless they are both pure class.

NWN = best MORPG ever. its the ONLY reason i boot up my pc.

kinda broke right now though, sucks that i probably cant just use the PC cds like q3 =(

[ThoughtKriminal]

nwn refers to all characters as "she". it does the same thing in the manual too.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by ThoughtKriminal
nwn refers to all characters as "she". it does the same thing in the manual too.

Oh OK, this is the first time I've ever played (or even seen!) NWN so bear with me :)

[job]

Originally posted by ThoughtKriminal
nwn refers to all characters as "she". it does the same thing in the manual too.

thats kind of odd.

any reason why?

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

no reason, but i noticed that lil bug too...but c'mon that's just nitpicky....

btw, do you have to pay a monthly fee to play nwn online?

[ThoughtKriminal]

Nope, all the servers are player run.

there are some great persistant worlds with enough content to make it alot like mmorpgs.. except they are usually well under 100 players at a time.

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

lol, that's fine by me:D

i'm used to d2 where the max is 8 (if i remember correctly)

[iAmAzN]

so there is no monthly fee!?!?!? OMFG THATS AWESOME!!! I've only played MRPG's like diablo.. when it comes out we should make a macrumors clans :D

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

actually that's not a bad idea...i'd join :D

[Schiffi]

I downloaded it too, though I'm on a 56k.

Anyway, I'll probably buy it when it comes out. Multiplay rocks the casbah.

[tpjunkie]

I've played it MP before, and it really does ROCK...can't wait for the retail version to come out!

[tpjunkie]

Whoa, the retail version IS out!

[iJon]

i think the best part about this game is to design your own levels and play other peoples levels. sometimes its the only reason to buy this game. its just a sham they didnt port it to mac.

iJon

[tpjunkie]

iJon, did you read the thread? The mac demo was out when the thread was started, and as I noted, the retail version for mac is now shipping

[iJon]

Originally posted by tpjunkie
iJon, did you read the thread? The mac demo was out when the thread was started, and as I noted, the retail version for mac is now shipping
i know, i t said its a shame they arent porting the tool set, which is one the only reasons to buy the game in many cases.

iJon

[tpjunkie]

Oh my mistake, i didn't catch that. sorry ;)

[couch potato]

Originally posted by iAmAzN
so there is no monthly fee!?!?!? OMFG THATS AWESOME!!! I've only played MRPG's like diablo.. when it comes out we should make a macrumors clans :D


yay no monthly fee:D forget everquest.....yeah a clan would be fun :)

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

Originally posted by couch potato
yay no monthly fee:D forget everquest.....yeah a clan would be fun :)

maybe the admins should make another topic just specifically for the macrumors clan? i think that would be a cool idea personally. but, up to the head-sheds of course :D

[couch potato]

that would be a good idea. post game times, server, etc.... that would be a blast. :) yeah, i wonder why there isnt a macrumors clan in the first place..... :confused:

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by tpjunkie
iJon, did you read the thread? The mac demo was out when the thread was started, and as I noted, the retail version for mac is now shipping
According to MacSoft, they aren't even taking Pre-Orders yet. Where did you get the information that it is shipping? (I really hope you're right.)

[couch potato]

but on their site, it has a price and you can order....i think:(

[shadowfax]

the game has been slated to ship in July, but Macsoft does indeed say they will only be taking preorders in july, not yet. the advertised price is 49.99.

i have the PC version of this game and it rocks. i tried the demo on my GHz TiBook and it ran perfectly. i am really pepped about this, and hope they release the expansion soon.

i would also like to be counted in for a possible macrumors clan.

[tpjunkie]

Sorry, you guys are right, I just assumed that since you could place an order for it at the apple store, they would be shipping it..well, you know what they about ass-u-mi-ng :rolleyes:

[iAmAzN]

if the servers are player run... perhaps we should get our own little server?

[Daveman Deluxe]

Is there any way to play NWN on an iBook with 16 MB VRAM? I've been waiting for this game since Charles Babbage's new difference engine came out (or so it seems). Back then, the official word was that I could play it on my iMac with its Rage 128 and 8 MB VRAm. Now I need 32, and it really sucks. :mad:
Is there anything to be done, or am I SOL?

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

it "runs" on the computer that is in my sig, but it is certainly not "speedy".

[Daveman Deluxe]

Actually, the issue at hand with running NWN is that my graphics card has 16 MB VRAM instead of the 32 MB that MacPlay has set as the minimum requirement. My question is whether the game will run on my iBook in spite of that.

[IndyGopher]

the Rage 128's he mentions in his .sig are 16meg cards, so I think he really was trying to answer you. I don't know, though, if the game will run on your machine. The tech demo, though, is designed, from my understanding, to answer exactly those sorts of questions. Wish I had a more definite answer for you.. all I can say is download the demo and see if it runs 1) At all and 2) Well enough that you feel it's worth paying for

[Daveman Deluxe]

Well, the demo meets #1, but it won't load the module for creating new characters. So I guess I'll just get it for PC.

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Actually, the issue at hand with running NWN is that my graphics card has 16 MB VRAM instead of the 32 MB that MacPlay has set as the minimum requirement. My question is whether the game will run on my iBook in spite of that.

ummm...if you read my sig you'd know i have a rage-128 16mb card as well. so it did answer your question, and the answer is yes, just not very well.

[Daveman Deluxe]

My apologies. I was not aware that your Rage 128 has 16 MB VRAM.

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

it's ok. i didn't realise they MADE a rage-128 with more than 16mb. i only knew they have 8 and 16mb vers.

[job]

Originally posted by G3-Pwnz-G4
it's ok. i didn't realise they MADE a rage-128 with more than 16mb. i only knew they have 8 and 16mb vers.

Those versions are the only ones Apple ever used, and as far as I can tell, the only ones ATi ever made for the Mac platform.

The Radeon series for the Mac started with 32MB of VRAM.

[Daveman Deluxe]

They didn't make a Rage 128 with more than 16 MB VRAM. Just 8 and 16. I merely didn't know which one you had.

It's interesting that you can get NWN to work at all on your comp which is (arguably) not as good as mine (iBook 700), at least in terms of chip speed and graphics chipset. However, I can get NWN demo to launch on mine but it won't load the module to let me create a new character. Perhaps it was a bad download or something, but it's strange nevertheless.

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

yea well a laptop's cpu speed is generally not as fast as a desktop's mhz for mhz. it doesn't run nearly as well on my ibook 600 with 8mb v-ram as it does on my desktop. dunno why.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by G3-Pwnz-G4
yea well a laptop's cpu speed is generally not as fast as a desktop's mhz for mhz. it doesn't run nearly as well on my ibook 600 with 8mb v-ram as it does on my desktop. dunno why. i would take a guess that your desktop has a faster bus, and/or more L2/L3(if they actually had it then) cache on the CPU. those and the amount of RAM should really be the only things that have an effect on the speed of the chips, MHz for MHz.

[job]

hahahaha...ha.

I just downloaded and played NWN on my slot loading iMac.

The vital specs are:

*400Mhz
*512MB SDRAM
*8MB Rage 128
*10.2.6

Guess how many FPS I got.... :D

A whopping 3.7... :D

Oddly enough, it was still playable up to a certain point. I think I'll stick with Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale until I get another Mac.

[Daveman Deluxe]

The problem I have with the NWN demo is that I try to make a new character and it says that it cannot load the module.

I think I'll get a Mac friend to burn a copy of the final version and then if it works and I like it, I'll buy it.

[job]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
The problem I have with the NWN demo is that I try to make a new character and it says that it cannot load the module.

Did you drag the NWN folder to your hard drive? I tried running it off of the mounted disk image and had the same error. When I copied the 640+MB NWN folder to my hard drive it worked perfectly. Well, as perfectly as it can work on a slot loading iMac... ;) :D

[shadowfax]

heh, i bet your computer would have a good bit of trouble running the game from a DMG... that will be sad if he admits to it ;)

[Daveman Deluxe]

Well, then, I'll drag the folder to the hard disk.

As for allegations of slow DMG use, I installed Age of Empires II but, of course, had to put the CD in to play the game. It was slooooooow. On a whim, I used Disk Copy to "rip" the CD to my disk and now I mount it as an image and the game runs MUCH faster. I was pleased.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Well, then, I'll drag the folder to the hard disk.

As for allegations of slow DMG use, I installed Age of Empires II but, of course, had to put the CD in to play the game. It was slooooooow. On a whim, I used Disk Copy to "rip" the CD to my disk and now I mount it as an image and the game runs MUCH faster. I was pleased. i do the same thing to my games, just to avoid disk checks, because they are annoying. but as a rule, i do full installs, so they don't speed anything up. but dmgs mounted on your hard drive are naturally going to be much faster than an optical drive, heh.

[job]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Well, then, I'll drag the folder to the hard disk.

As for allegations of slow DMG use, I installed Age of Empires II but, of course, had to put the CD in to play the game. It was slooooooow. On a whim, I used Disk Copy to "rip" the CD to my disk and now I mount it as an image and the game runs MUCH faster. I was pleased.

Some .dmgs are write protected and thus if the game, i.e. NWN needs to open a file or edit a profile it won't be able to do that if you are playing off of the disk image.

Installing a game and having it *read-only* from the disk image is very different than trying to run a game which needs to be able to modify files on a write protected volume.

[Daveman Deluxe]

I know what you mean about the "read-only" bit. Occasionally I'll see a game CD that has a copy of the game on it that can *theoretically* be played off the CD (i.e. you can take the disc to a friend's computer to show him so he doesn't have to install it). The only problem is that a lot of games require files to be written/modified... oops! :D

And I do full installs whenever I can too.

[neut]

this is a badass rpg. back to the good ol days of D&D.

true character generation is a must for rpgs and this one gets it right.

very nice.


id like to be part of a nwnmacrumors clan, but im sure i would rarely be their (56k @ home)...still it would be cool for when im at work ;)


peace yall

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by neut
this is a badass rpg. back to the good ol days of D&D.

true character generation is a must for rpgs and this one gets it right.

very nice. i like rocket-propelled grenades too, i wish they were as easy to get as video games like this one.

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
i would take a guess that your desktop has a faster bus, and/or more L2/L3(if they actually had it then) cache on the CPU. those and the amount of RAM should really be the only things that have an effect on the speed of the chips, MHz for MHz.

lol, ur a funny one.

A: There wasn't lvl 3 cache back when the blue and whites were out. if there was, it's not in my machine.
B: in laptops, the processor cycle's speed, as to save battery life, so it is very rarely running at it's full mhz.

and my ibook has 384mb ram, as opposed to my desktop's 576mb. and, like i said, the ibook only has 8mb of v-ram, whereas my desktop has 16mb. not a lot, but enough to make a difference in performance.

[Daveman Deluxe]

At any rate, I've been playing the NWN demo and everything seems to work pretty well. I turned everything down to its lowest setting and I'm getting good enough frame rates. What's especially good is that it'll go cross-platform, so me and my gaming buddies finally have a game we can play together! Huzzah!

The only thing that bugs me is that I had to turn the resolution down to 800x600 from 1024x768. I was getting pretty good frame rates at the higher resolution, but just a bit on the choppy side. Still, it looks as if I may go ahead and buy this game.

As for laptops scaling processor speed-doesn't that only happen when not running on AC power? And I'm pretty sure it runs at full power when needed regardless of whether it's using the battery.

Still, if I want good framerates, I think I'll finally get around to Baldur's Gate II this summer.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by G3-Pwnz-G4
lol, ur a funny one.

A: There wasn't lvl 3 cache back when the blue and whites were out. if there was, it's not in my machine.
B: in laptops, the processor cycle's speed, as to save battery life, so it is very rarely running at it's full mhz. A: i suspected as much, but mark the level 2 cache i mentioned as well. i noted in my initial post that i didn't think G3s had L3 cache, i was using it generically.
B. In intel laptops with Speedstep technology, and on GPUs from ATI with POWERPLAY technology, but not on G4s, and certainly not on G3s. clock scaling? ha! not on your life. that's advanced technology motorola hasn't toyed with yet. apple has options in OS X to lower the clock speed on laptops when the computer is unplugged, but it doesn't scale. it stays down.

but i guess i am a funny one.

[Sayhey]

I played the demo and it seemed to work fine on my 500 mghz indigo imac. I'm looking forword to the release of the game as it looks to be the best rpg I've seen yet. It's a pity about the tool set not being released for mac and linux. I've found a website of open source folks who want to go ahead and do the work for a mac tool set. It's at: http://openknights.sourceforge.net/[/URL] - hope it comes out soon. I'd like to develop my own game scenarios with this for old D&D friends of mine.

[job]

Originally posted by Sayhey
I played the demo and it seemed to work fine on my 500 mghz indigo imac.

Just curious, how many fps do you get?

Hit the ~ key and type "fps" without the quotations.

[Daveman Deluxe]

It seems that I get between 10 and 20 fps, which is just fine for playing this type of game. The low frame rate is only obvious when I rotate the view, so it's not a problem in battle.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by Job
"Just curious, how many fps do you get?"

7.2 -- pretty bad, huh? But it works!

[job]

Originally posted by Sayhey
7.2 -- pretty bad, huh? But it works!

lol...:D

better than my 3.4 ;)

[job]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
It seems that I get between 10 and 20 fps, which is just fine for playing this type of game. The low frame rate is only obvious when I rotate the view, so it's not a problem in battle.

What type of computer are you on?

I'm considering picking up an old Sawtooth G4 tower (AGP) and upgrading it to play games. It will be more cost effective than buying a new computer and will be far faster than my current iMac.

[Daveman Deluxe]

I'm on an iBook 700 MHz with 640 MB RAM and the original ATI Radeon Mobility with 16 MB VRAM (2x AGP). I'm pretty sure the graphics chipset is based on the Radeon 7200, but not positive by any stretch of the imagination.

[tpjunkie]

Macsoft is taking preorders for Neverwinter Nights!

[shadowfax]

.... as they have been for... weeks?

[tpjunkie]

No, the past few weeks if you click on the order button, it takes you to a screen saying "we will be accepting preorders in early july" now you can actually put your pre-order in

[Schiffi]

I got 27-35 FPS with Safari and Xchat still open.

[Captnroger]

Funny story,

I bought this when it first game out for the PC and promptly returned it. Not because I thought it was bad, only because I didn't have time to play it.

I played the Mac demo, and had so much fun with it I had to buy the PC version again. I've been having a ball. Just finished the first chapter which took me a week with all the side quests. My Monk is up to Lvl7 and is starting to be a real bad-a$$. This game is fun. I haven't had this much RPG fun since the days of Ultima III on my apple //e, and I haven't even ventured online yet!