G3s all gone

[gambit]

Are you guys:confused: the iMac is now a G4 all that needs to change is the iBook and all Mac are gonna be G4 and then they will anounce the G5 (maybe at the same Keynote!) Hope you are :)

[krossfyter]

Welcome aboard gambit!

[teabgs]

I just felt like I should post something here. I'm not sure exactly WHAT to post, so this is it.

[King Cobra]

I think that the G3 still has plenty of life in it. If I am not wrong, Apple wants to use the high-end 1000MHz G3 in something. Since no other Apple products are using the G3, eventually, the iBook will have the 1000MHz G3 in it, probably in 2003.

Besides, I still think that the iBook will continue with the G3 for a long while. Take a look at what I posted from another forum.

Originally posted by Yours Truly (from another post)
There are several reasons for why the iBook will continue to support the 750, 750CX, etc. chip and will refuse to advance to the level to the G4:
(1) A G4 in the iBook of equal speeds compared with the Powerbook G4 does coincide with a modist heat issue.
(2) A G4 . . . will reduce the already impressive battery life in the iBook for any single charge.
(3) A G4 . . . will significantly raise the price of the iBook, causing the bottom of the line consumer portable Mac to be overpriced.
(4) A G4 in an iBook will kill sales for the Powerbook, especially if the G4 processor has very high speeds.
(5) If I am not mistaken, Apple wants to keep the iBook as a tool for the education market. The video demonstration for the iBook 500 (upon debut) showed this. I will assume that Apple will continue to support the educational market with an affordable portable computer.

I think that if the G5 becomes standard in the Powermacs (which better happen soon) AND in the Powerbooks, then and only then will Apple remove the G3 processor from the iBook and replace it with a low-cost, power-saving G4.

I hate to disappoint, but I am afraid that we will not see a G4 iBook until 2004, or late 2003.
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[DakotaGuy]

I personally don't see a G4 iBook coming in the near future. The Powerbook needs to move to a G5 first otherwise both laptops will be aimed at the same market. Think about this...

The fastest Ti Book right now is a 667MHz G4...the fastest iBook is a 600MHz G3. Now even if Apple was to put a G4 in an iBook they could not go any less then a 600MHz G4 because it would look goofy as hell if they went from a 600MHz to like a 450MHz iBook. Even if the G4 at that speed would be faster...it would look terrible to a marketing guys eyes. They need to move the speed up of the Powerbook before they consider making the iBook a G4.

The difference I believe, is that the iMac is an all-in-one consumer computer where the G4 Powermac is a professional tower. The iBook and Powerbook are both laptops...one is just bigger then the other one. Does anyone see what I am saying here???

[GigaWire]

think that the G3 still has plenty of life in it. If I am not wrong, Apple wants to use the high-end 1000MHz G3

C'mon! The G3 is comparable to the Pentium 2, and the G4 to the pentium 3. Both need to go. Apple needs a rabbit, and a 1 gHz G3 sure as hell isn't it.

I hate to disappoint, but I am afraid that we will not see a G4 iBook until 2004, or late 2003.

And if you think this, then kiss Apple goodbye, because a G3 platform anything in 2003, 2004 is just pathetic.

[King Cobra]

The iBook was supposed to be for educational purposes (video for 500MHz iBook). Apple wants to support the educational market, while still providing those who lack the need for a G4 with a simple portable computer.

Apple's competition comes with the Powerbook G4, which better have an update at Tokyo.

[stoid]

I don't think we'll see a G4 iBook for quite a while, because Apple's never had low-end high-end difference in the portable side. At least not to the point of different generation processors. I don't think they'll go back to single-gen options in laptops. Personaly, I think Apple needs to offer outdated computers for 300 to 400 dollars. Isn't eMachines selling a computer for that?? I would just like to be able to get an Apple computer for really cheap as a second Machine for doing word processing or something while my G4 crunches FCP 3 and Ray Dream Studio renditions.

[ilikeiBook]

Originally posted by gambit
Are you guys:confused: the iMac is now a G4 all that needs to change is the iBook and all Mac are gonna be G4 and then they will anounce the G5 (maybe at the same Keynote!) Hope you are :)

They will make G5 powermacs and powerbooks hopefully at MWNY or maybe MWSF 2003, and then the iBook G4. But if they were released at the same keynote, the iBook, I think, would be released first.

[Taft]

Originally posted by GigaWire

And if you think this, then kiss Apple goodbye, because a G3 platform anything in 2003, 2004 is just pathetic.

IBM is getting very good speeds form the G3 and will continue to use it in products for a while. As long as Moto is able to up the MHz on the chips, I don't see why it couldn't stay in low-end product lines for quite some time.

Also, Apple needs more product differentiation. Its not as bad as it used to be (try picking from 10 different computers all with similar processors--not so easy) but it could be even better than it is now.

The iBook could have a high-end G3 (maybe a top level iBook with a G4), the TiBook a high-end G4, maybe offer a notebook G5 when they get that "mobilized". Give their consumer desktop line higher-end G4 (iMac), and their pro-line G5's accross the board. Maybe even offer a few low end towers with higher-end G4's.

Something for everybody.

And for your information, if Motorola got off their rears both the G3 and G4 could be the processors that Apple claims them to be. They are very nice processors with a lot of potential life, even in the age of P4s and G5s.

Matthew

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by GigaWire


C'mon! The G3 is comparable to the Pentium 2, and the G4 to the pentium 3. Both need to go. Apple needs a rabbit, and a 1 gHz G3 sure as hell isn't it.

And if you think this, then kiss Apple goodbye, because a G3 platform anything in 2003, 2004 is just pathetic.

Kiss my a$$... First Apple puts the G3 against the pee3... AND the G4 is still roastin pee4's. You STILL find peecee's with the crappy (being very kind) celeron processor in use.

Before you start opening your mouth, and inserting something, here is the chart from the MHz myth page...

[GigaWire]

if apple wants to retain its 5% nation of apple users from here to infinity, then continuing to update dated processors, as they've done for 6 years now, is the key. If apple plans on expanding into greater market appeal, they need something that looks fast by simple numbers, not by explanation. Unfotunately, with Jobs and his bmw of the computer market mentality, Apple will wallow in this measly 5 % and be satisfied. I think the only way we'll see a major push towards market expansion and technological growth is if Apple can get rid of Jobs and find a no- BS processor maker that focuses on developing just that. death to G3!

[krossfyter]

whats the standard market share for an average company... say compaq, gateway or microsoft?

please help me out with this ...being that questioned this on another post but it got over looked.

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy

The fastest Ti Book right now is a 667MHz G4...the fastest iBook is a 600MHz G3. Now even if Apple was to put a G4 in an iBook they could not go any less then a 600MHz G4 because it would look goofy as hell if they went from a 600MHz to like a 450MHz iBook. Even if the G4 at that speed would be faster...it would look terrible to a marketing guys eyes. They need to move the speed up of the Powerbook before they consider making the iBook a G4.


Are you talking about the same Apple that was selling 450MHz G3 Blue & White towers right next to 350MHz G4 towers? That Apple?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by GigaWire
if apple wants to retain its 5% nation of apple users from here to infinity, then continuing to update dated processors, as they've done for 6 years now, is the key. If apple plans on expanding into greater market appeal, they need something that looks fast by simple numbers, not by explanation. Unfotunately, with Jobs and his bmw of the computer market mentality, Apple will wallow in this measly 5 % and be satisfied. I think the only way we'll see a major push towards market expansion and technological growth is if Apple can get rid of Jobs and find a no- BS processor maker that focuses on developing just that. death to G3!

Man, what are you on??? I would MUCH rather see able keep the 5% share (or whatever it is at the moment) and put out a QUALITY product then to try and grab more numbers and have quality suffer. They would need to open up more plants, among other things in order to supply the market with more systems.

As for Jobs... he brought Apple back from the brink. I guess you don't remember how bad it was before he returned, but I do.

Of course, you are assuming that the board of directors at Apple are not satisfied with their market share, and Jobs performance. Put down the ganja and sober up.

As for processors, today's G3 has little to do with the original ones, other then in name, and no Altivec implimentation. IBM makes a great one, while moto is focusing more on the G4 chips. I do agree that moto needs to get off it's a$$ and start pumping up the speeds of the G4, and get the G5 out there already.

Switching to a different maker for their chips would not be an overnight deal for Apple. It is also possible that the same issues will crop up later when another speed wall is reached. I believe that moto has pattented the Altivec core, which gives it control over who is able to use it in chips. Why else do you think IBM was trying to come up with it's own version???

Don't just look at raw numbers, most Mac people don't. We are a more educated consumer base that knows that a chip maker can claim that they are producing any speed they feel like. Just take a look at both intel and AMD... intel chips are notorious for being listed at speeds higher then they actually are, and by more then a couple of MHz too. I have seen many an AMD processor listed as being one speed, only to clock out higher (with NO modifications/overclocking at all).

One other thing. While other computer makers are stuggling, straining, and trying to merge to survive, Apple is maintaining it's customer base. While I wouldn't mind a few % market share increase, it won't happen overnight. No matter who is in charge at Apple. Apple was the only maker to actually open retail locations last year, while others were closing.

Apple is here to stay, weather it is with a 5% market share, 3% or 25% it is not going away. Now if we can just get the people that are constantly saying that Apple is going under to shut the F up... that would be better then getting more market numbers. :D

[eyelikeart]

u just gotta love seeing 'em lay it down old school old their @sses...

[buffsldr]

Originally posted by GigaWire
if apple wants to retain its 5% nation of apple users from here to infinity, then continuing to update dated processors, as they've done for 6 years now, is the key. If apple plans on expanding into greater market appeal, they need something that looks fast by simple numbers, not by explanation. Unfotunately, with Jobs and his bmw of the computer market mentality, Apple will wallow in this measly 5 % and be satisfied. I think the only way we'll see a major push towards market expansion and technological growth is if Apple can get rid of Jobs and find a no- BS processor maker that focuses on developing just that. death to G3!

Relax, fella.

[Taft]

Originally posted by GigaWire
if apple wants to retain its 5% nation of apple users from here to infinity, then continuing to update dated processors, as they've done for 6 years now, is the key. If apple plans on expanding into greater market appeal, they need something that looks fast by simple numbers, not by explanation. Unfotunately, with Jobs and his bmw of the computer market mentality, Apple will wallow in this measly 5 % and be satisfied. I think the only way we'll see a major push towards market expansion and technological growth is if Apple can get rid of Jobs and find a no- BS processor maker that focuses on developing just that. death to G3!

Turn down the flames, my hands are burning!

Get rid of Jobs?!?!? Yeah great idea, lets go back to Gil and friends. Do you even remember the days of the 6x00, 7x00, 8x00 and System 7? I had more crashes than a dog has fleas.

That is the era where most of Apple's market share was lost. Jobs has only helped the Macintosh platform. Instead of whining you should be writing him letters of thanks. Without him, Apple might very well be dead (and would not have existed in the first place).

Matthew

[krossfyter]

I hate to disrupt this flame session but can somebody please answer my question. Once this is done Ill shut the hell up about this.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by krossfyter
I hate to disrupt this flame session but can somebody please answer my question. Once this is done Ill shut the hell up about this.

Don't know, don't care either, does anyone else in here??? Didn't think so.

I am sure that you can find it online, if you really want to.

[AlphaTech]

Guess I left the flamethrower on... oops.. that was in ref. to you asking about peecee company market share... Search online, I am sure there are resources that will tell you. Take some screen shots to back the numbers up.

HP and Compaq both suck (and not in the good way either). Gateway has some cow thing and dell, well should just be in hell. As for m$... don't you keep up with the news at ALL????? Come ON! I am NOT going to post what they have, since you should know that one.


Man, that thrower has a hair trigger today... LMAO

[krossfyter]

Damn!!! Ouch. Im getting burned here without asking for it. I think I lost my hair on that one. Cant really warn someone to wear asbestos gear when they are not expecting a flame thrown at um. Granted it was a mis directed flame Im still hurrting. MEwewharthhh ooh!


Okay... I looked online but still havent found umm.. I see different numbers for microcrap.

[krossfyter]

WARNING!!!! NO MORE MISDIRECTED FLAMES. please. i cant afford another one. its too hot here in texas in the first place.

[Grokgod]

Ok, first< I just got my new iMac and its great, Jobs is right on target.
This is the ultimate consumer machine, there is no doubt.
This has got to bring in the numbers for Apple!

Sadly they are shooting themselves in the legs.
With manufacturing problems, meeting demands and customer service.

Apple sent me an email asking me if I wanted to cancel my iMac purchase
3 days before i got it!
Whats that all about?

As for speed, well this is a 700 imac and its not uhh speedy but it IS solid. thou you can forget about running Lime wire in osx, its crap!
It does the job and gives me a user experience that any person that wants to jump from the Wintel ship would find enjoyable.

YET~ when i get on my Wintel box for work, its a shock what speed does to the mind!
Sure the OS makes me wince and my eyes weep!
So, the exposure is short and i return to the imac for health reasons.
But the memory of speed is lasting and makes me pose a questioning look at the imac when it chokes on UI redraws.

What the hell. the need for speed is real.
It will come, the question is when and will we wait and what will be lost in the process. The potential of a greater market share is here and real, if the timing isnt flubbed and lost forever!

[krossfyter]

watch out for the flames in here....:D

http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/fires/an1.gif

[germanknee]

Kiss my a$$... First Apple puts the G3 against the pee3... AND the G4 is still roastin pee4's. You STILL find peecee's with the crappy (being very kind) celeron processor in use.

Before you start opening your mouth, and inserting something, here is the chart from the MHz myth page...

AlphaTech:

the chart is on photoshop performance, nothing else. the g4 is not "roasting" the p4 in most other areas. some might even say the reverse.

i do agree that there should be no rush to kill the g3.

[Pepzhez]

My experience shows that modern G3 processors are equal to G4 speeds. Real world tests seem to indicate that Altivec is the only difference between the two chips.

Oh, and G3 processors clearly slay PIII's. And don't even get me started about the design flaws of Pentium 4 ... (There is a reason why Pentium's best current offering is a P3 and NOT a P4).

There is still a lot of life left in the G3.

[King Cobra]

Man, now if I want to see some heat I do not have to try and live up the winter here in New Jersey! (Warmerst EVER!!!) I can just visit this forum!

The G3 now only supports the iBook, which is actually a plus. Apple wants the iBook to be for the educational market, so Apple has no choice, but to put together a simple computer, a portable, a cheap portable, a G3.

Back to action!
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[MacAztec]

Originally posted by krossfyter
watch out for the flames in here....:D

http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/fires/an1.gif

Ok, you made your point. Thats like the 6th post about flames. I think you should go jump in the pool!

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Man, now if I want to see some heat I do not have to try and live up the winter here in New Jersey! (Warmerst EVER!!!) I can just visit this forum!

The G3 now only supports the iBook, which is actually a plus. Apple wants the iBook to be for the educational market, so Apple has no choice, but to put together a simple computer, a portable, a cheap portable, a G3.

Back to action!
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Bill Gates: All you need to upload pictures from your camera is a fast PC and some boring software.

KC: Well I have a Mac, and the software I use operates in OS X. Does that make me better than you?

Down here in palm springs, its about emmm...130 degrees in the summer. A cool day in the winter here is like 70 degrees. A cool day in the summer is like 110 degrees.

[AmbitiousLemon]

honestly i think the only thing holding apple back from putting a g4 in the ibook are design problems. the rest of all of your arguments MIGHT hold up if it werent for a little thing called the g4 imac.

i remember in the days leading up to MWSF 2003 we were all attacking the people who said the imac would have a g4 in it. and you know what the arguments then are the same ones you guys are using now. apple showed you all that you are wrong so get over it.

the g4 is too hot. period. thats the only problem. the Ti will get a speed bump soon so the differentiation between them will be better soon. the closeness in mhz now is just an artifact of the ibooks having just been updated and the Pbooks being the last in the line to see an update.

all this stupid talk of the g4 is too expensive and the ibook is for education is crap. we heard it 4 months ago when convincing eachother the imac COULDNT have a g4 in it and you guys are using the same bad logic now.

as soon as apple CAN get a g4 in the ibook they will.

the apollo processor shows a hope that the chip might get cool enough at some point in the future to allow a g4 in an ibook.

steve has said in every interview since the g4imac that OSX NEEDS altivec. just go to apple's page and look at the list of software that is optimized for altivec. sure the g4 is just as fast as the g3 without the altivec but we are living in an altivec world. you have to include it in your comparisons.

with osx in the world EVERY mac needs altivec and EVERY mac needs as much speed as possible. apple knows this. they are attacking this problem form every angle. and as soon as they can get a g4 to run in an ibook you better believe they are going to use it.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Mac_User


Ok, you made your point. Thats like the 6th post about flames. I think you should go jump in the pool!

ummm no!

[gambit]

:eek: This is great my first thread and tons of replys, but i posted this thread because, well because, Because I wanted to I guess. And I also want to say that I am glad I am getting lots of opinion on this, keep it up!:D

[SubFredZero]

I know lot's of people have said this before but i think the G3 will stay in the ibook for a long time. I think it is much better for apple to offer the ibook at a low price with a g3 with lots of mhz, then offer a ibook at high price with a g4. Also the last ibook : the 14" isn't a very good idea from apple. Students buy the ibook because it's an apple and it's very small. The sales of the 14" are way lower then the 12" ibook's.

Also the G5 is for tomorrow (next year) because the G4 processor is still way ahead of the intel processors. And apple doesn't want to bring out there newest stuff when they are way ahead of everybody else : let people first buy a G4 with lot's of Ghz and then, when pc's are catting up a little bit, bring out the G5 so we are again ahead and people will buy a new mac...

[GigaWire]

Have any of you tried working in OS X with a G3 on a daily basis? It is horrible! The screen redraws take forever, and simply opening programs, and even control menus takes more time than I've seen in a while. Yes yes the G4's are fine, but this incremental boost to a processor that is currently being trounced by P4 and Amd systems just will not cut it. And anyone that doesn't see this, just try photoshop on a dual 1.7 P4 and a dual 1 gHz mac. The p4 beats the G4 hands down. If Apple wants to stick with the G3, then they need to boost the next iBook rev up to 900 mHz at the least, and even then, OSX will just barely be functional. The reality of the processor market is that over time, the manufacturing process becomes better and better, yielding lower costs, thus lower prices, and that has simply not been the case with Apple. Anyone that does not see the current G3 ( and the next 3-4 speed bumps) as dated is a fool. Especially cosidering IBM had a power PC chip running at 1.1 gHz in 1998. The fact is that intel and AMD are moving swiftly along the processor ladder, while Apple works on the next "neat" computer. I don't expect comparative performance from apple, I expect it to blow the competition out of the water, something that is not happening now, or for the forseeable future. yes the G4 is better than its counterparts, BUT NOT AT THESE SPEEDS!!!!!

Death to the G3!

[germanknee]

SubFredZero:

the g4 is not "way ahead of the intel processors." apple is playing the catch-up game, not intel. i wish what you claim was true, but it is not. wintel machines are faster; part of this is due to mobos, RAM, etc. i think at mwsf jan 2003 apple will release the g5 machines and narrow the gap significantly.

your reasoning for not bringing out the g5 is iffy. moto has not gone into production of the g5 (MPC7500). the MPC7470 (a faster g4) should come at mwny july 2002. i'm convinced that apple doesn't hold back. they release at the first expo the product is ready.

good thread gambit.

[King Cobra]

I think I will have to agree with Lt. Lemon on this. Apple has surprised us with a G4 iMac, but only because of high demands from what Mac consumers wanted to see in a new computer: A flat screen, Superdrive, and the G4 (Jobs; Macworld San Fransisco 2002 Broadcast).

However, I do not see Apple updating their iBook to a G4, unless popular demand says so, just as in the iMac.

Once consumer demands achieve a maximum in a G4 iBook, Apple will make one. But since Apple recently updated their iBook to have a bigger screen, it is not likely that we will se one until Powerbooks have reached a very high G4 or low G5, or at least until MacWorld New York.
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[germanknee]

GigaWire:

i agree with you in everything except for the g3 needing to die. if the g3 was running at 900mhz in an ibook, that would be satisfactory. i had no idea ibm had a ppc running at 1.1 ghz in 98, thank you for the tid bit. i really wish apple would switch from moto to ibm. maybe sometime in the future.

[gambit]

I am honored by your words of saying my thread is nice germanknee. Auuw you shoudnt have :rolleyes:

[Taft]

Originally posted by germanknee
i really wish apple would switch from moto to ibm. maybe sometime in the future.

I'm getting pretty sick of Motorola dragging their feet, especially when IBM is getting such good numbers out of their processors. This thread wouldn't be a flame war if we had some of those IBM G3s in the iBook.

Gigawire, do you even listen to what we are saying? The G3 itself IS NOT THE FRIGGIN' PROBLEM!!! And what are you talking about "screen redraws"?

Matthew

[GigaWire]

Gigawire, do you even listen to what we are saying? The G3 itself IS NOT THE FRIGGIN' PROBLEM!!!

The thread was initially about the G4 moving to the rest of the Apple quadrants. The responses were that Apple didn't need to. That the G3 is good enough. What i am saying is that the G3, as it is now, is the friggin' problem. The processor, and this mentality of accepting mediocre products from a company that should be "warp factor X" ahead of their competition. Apple can not be a success running OSX on G3's with sub gHz performance.

So do you listen to what i am saying?

[AlphaTech]

hey giga... what G3 are you using??? There have been more then just one G3 chip ya know. There are also other contributing factors to a slow system, other then the processor. The most rampant factor is between the keyboard and the chair. You know the one... the thing that has a sticker on it that reads 'idiot on board'.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by krossfyter


ummm no!

*Gulp*
Sorry, I think I am getting a little hot!

As for the G3, I dont think Apple will be getting rid of it for a LONG time. I am thinking MWSF 03 or MWNY 03. It is an education yet powerful mac.

[buffsldr]

Originally posted by GigaWire


The thread was initially about the G4 moving to the rest of the Apple quadrants. The responses were that Apple didn't need to. That the G3 is good enough. What i am saying is that the G3, as it is now, is the friggin' problem. The processor, and this mentality of accepting mediocre products from a company that should be "warp factor X" ahead of their competition. Apple can not be a success running OSX on G3's with sub gHz performance.

So do you listen to what i am saying?

Gigawire, could you please define success in measureable, objective terms? This would help de-personalize this thread. What is the best measure of success for Apple and how does the G3 limit this success?

Apple is a business and I feel the stock market is the best measurement of its success. Apple does not exist to satiate the narcisitic individual who chooses a handle based on an as of yet unreleased technology.

Further, if your strategy and suggestions will really help apple, then I support them. Perhaps you should address business strategy remarks to Cupertino, Ca. rather than a macrumors site. Normally, this sort of thing is acceptable (eg. ideas for apple to improve upon), but your emotional, reactive tone is so extreme that I really think you should relax.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Mac_User


*Gulp*
Sorry, I think I am getting a little hot!

As for the G3, I dont think Apple will be getting rid of it for a LONG time. I am thinking MWSF 03 or MWNY 03. It is an education yet powerful mac.


its cool dude.


dig it!

[stoid]

The G3 is a thorn in apple's flesh. They are quite slow (compared to the G4), but at the same time, they're cheap to make (again, compared to the G4), and still have quite a bit of life left in them (as far as theoretical speed goes) It'd be like throwing out a perfectly good TV set and buying a new HDTV set with the same diagonal size. It'd be really nice, and it's much better, you might even have the money for it, but it'd just be such a waste.

[germanknee]

i think that it's all about the clock speed. like gigawire said earlier, "the G4 is better than its counterparts, BUT NOT AT THESE SPEEDS!!!!!" if g4 was 50-60% faster in clock rate, it would hold its own against the p4 and athlon xp. if it's clock rate was 100% faster, it would blow them out of the water. if ibm could get the g3 to 1.1 ghz, i bet the g4 can scale quite a bit higher than it is now.

[GigaWire]

This is so nice, I attack no one on a personal basis, and here I have 2 nearly in a row.

:D

[germanknee]

i wouldn't worry about it. i like your way of thinking (processor better but not at currnet speeds, that thing).

[Wry Cooter]

Krossfyter,

Apple has even been number one in market share a couple of times, if you count manufacturers by brand. That means their 5% or so has beat Gateway, Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM or Sony, and others slice of the pie on a one to one basis in the past, depending on when and how long you were counting your beans.

Not that it means squat. Overall, they are still 95% to our five percent, as far as developers are concerned. Its just that they have to split their 95% with a gazillion others pumping out the exact same crap that an outsiders 5% might make a dent.

But I do see apple making inroads to niches they have lost- I think they still have a chance to win market share.

[mangis]

Right on Gigawire! Death to the G3!!

Hard to believe that people want to hang on to yesterday's technology.

The G3 had its day. and is still alive on the ibooks, but altivec is definitely the way. My new dual gig smokes! And I sadly continue to run my bronze powerbook in OS 9 cuz it plain don't work good in OS X.

[gambit]

Im :confused: how do you add pics to your username, ones like yours krossfyter

[arn]

Originally posted by gambit
Im :confused: how do you add pics to your username, ones like yours krossfyter

The picture beside your name is an "avatar" and are only available to users who have posted >= 500 (meaningful) posts. (ie... don't post junk... :) )

arn

[krossfyter]

yep. take it from me gambit. don't post junk around these places and you will be all right. arn will lay the smack down on you if you do.:D

[sjs]

Krossfyter,
Go to google.com and type in: PC market share, or try similar entries until it pulls up what you want.

For example, C/net on 10-17-01 shows:
Dell 13.8%
Compaq 10.4%
IBM 6.6%
HP 6.4% etc.

Business Week on 8/1/01 shows Apple at 3% of US market.

In cars, BMW is just over 1% of the US market and doing quite well.

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[gambit]

:( I wanted to add a pic of wolverine(cant find a nice one of gambit)

[buffsldr]

Originally posted by gambit
:( I wanted to add a pic of wolverine(cant find a nice one of gambit)

FYI: This would be an example of a junk post.

Note this is not CartoonRumors.com

[buffsldr]

Originally posted by mangis
Right on Gigawire! Death to the G3!!

Hard to believe that people want to hang on to yesterday's technology.

The G3 had its day. and is still alive on the ibooks, but altivec is definitely the way. My new dual gig smokes! And I sadly continue to run my bronze powerbook in OS 9 cuz it plain don't work good in OS X.

I think there are really two different discussions going on about G3s. First, "Death to the G3" can mean that any given user chooses to rule it out of his or her own office/home. Second, it can also mean apple should take it out of its lineup.

Is anyone so arrogant here to think they can comment on the second interpretation above? Do you really think you could walk into apple and staighten them out as if you knew more. If so, that is awesome, I will send my taxes to you. You've got to be some sort of marketing/finanical genious.

[GigaWire]

Is anyone so arrogant here to think they can comment on the second interpretation above? Do you really think you could walk into apple and staighten them out as if you knew more. If so, that is awesome, I will send my taxes to you. You've got to be some sort of marketing/finanical genious.

i will be so arrogant. as i have said before, the G3 as it CURRENTLY is will not be a success as Apple finishes its move to OSX. Not only that, but at the current rev pace, it will take at least 3-4 revs of the G3 based products before running OSX becomes a viable option. it's like running win 98 on a 486, it works, but not really. Jobs, as has been pointed out in many articles, is a visionary leader, not a business leader. Since his arrival in 97, market share for Apple has steadily declined. Apple needs someone that will capture greater marketshare, because with greater marketshare, comes greater hardware and software support from 3rd parties. this business of Apple as the bmw computer is ridiculous. the PC market is cutthroat, unlike the high-end car market. To succeed Apple needs products that by the numbers look on par with wintel boxes. Ask your average PC buyer what a gigaflop is. Then ask him about gigahertz.
Jobs wants OSX to be the OS of the future, and in many ways it is, but without the reasonably priced hardware to run it (iBook, iMac 1). OSX is the core of the digital hub. But if you can't run OSX, then the whole hub strategy is superflous. iPhoto only runs on OS X last time i checked.
death to the G3!

[AlphaTech]

Hey GigaWire... you don't think that a new iBook or 600MHz G3 iMac can handle OS X??? Give it enough memory, and it does just fine. It may not be the powerhouse/speed demon that a G4 system is, but it's not road kill either.

I wouldn't even consider installing OS X onto a G3 of less then 350MHz, unless it has RAM out the whazoo. That pretty much eliminates the beige G3 systems and some of the PowerBook G3 systems. I KNOW people running it on PowerBook G3's at both 400MHz and 500MHz and it runs great for them.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by sjs
Krossfyter,
Go to google.com and type in: PC market share, or try similar entries until it pulls up what you want.

For example, C/net on 10-17-01 shows:
Dell 13.8%
Compaq 10.4%
IBM 6.6%
HP 6.4% etc.

Business Week on 8/1/01 shows Apple at 3% of US market.

In cars, BMW is just over 1% of the US market and doing quite well.

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wow. thanks for helping me out here. i was really trying to find these numbers. thanks man.