Leaked: ****** Info!

[MacRumors]

Specs are Leaked - by Apple!:

Removed per Apple's Request.

Apple listed the specs tonight on their Apple Store. Image here: Specs. You can also get to them yourself by going to the Apple store (http://www.apple.com/store/)

[apgalbraith]

So where are the G6s? :D

(looking at Apple Store)
Do you think someone at Apple pulled an nvidia? Would *not* like to be in his/her shoes right now.

At the same time, I can't imagine that someone would have done this by mistake.

[jphoenix]

can't wait to see if it's true!

[SoonToGetAMac]

Does this confrim the use of the name "G5"?

[daedelgt]

So who are these stats from?

G5? PPC 970 or no?

[pellucidity]

Now, I was not expecting a switch to S-ATA.... The CPU offerings seem strange though. In the past, the DP Power Macs have not always used 'two of the fastest'; I wonder if this is due to yield issues....

[bbarnhart]

Did someone hack the online Apple Store?

[FredAkbar]

What's the source on this? Don't MR rumors normally come from a different website or article? This is great news if it is true, however.

--Fred

[edit: whoa! Nice catch, bbarnhart. Yeah I wonder if that's just an Apple error or if someone hacked it...I would guess the latter.]

[alia]

Wow! Those are going to be some SWEET machines. Almost makes me rethink my desire for a notebook!

Dual 2 gigahertz!! That's awesome.

Is this for real Arn? :)

Alia

[macpundit]

And you came across this 'accurate' information in a sea of rumors...how??

[indoor825]

know the source of this details would be nice.. aha!
ok! we all know they are simply rumors.. but it would be nice at least knowing who posted it first.. was it macrumors.com?

by the way.. nice specs!!

[Chef Ramen]

lol i ran to apple.com....not an official leak? ;)




pleeeeeeeeeeease tell me this is true!!!!!!

[Thirteenva]

Where did these specs come from???

I know it says from apple but where were they found/heard/written?

Any word on 15" powerbooks?

[MetallicPenguin]

When are they avaiable?:p

PS: I think someone named macaudio or something said these specs a little while ago.

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by Thirteenva
Where did these specs come from???

I know it says from apple but where were they found/heard/written?

Any word on 15" powerbooks?

Go to the Apple Store and click on PowerMacs. Note the first line of info near the top of the page.

--Fred

[Dave Marsh]

A great rumor, but I doubt it. It's out of sync with the earlier, but believable 1.4GHz entry level. I'd also really like to see the mid-size tower with duals.

[gigapower]

this is exactly in line what I have heard from my source.

[DrGruv1]

how much?

1500
2500
3500

?????

[rice_web]

Single 1.6GHz
Single 1.8GHz
Dual 2.0GHz

Wow. Who would have thought that 2GHz 970's would have been available.

Now we only have to hope that someone didn't hack Apple.com

[vniow]

Got the web page saved before it gets taken down:

[rman2008]

Alrite, dont get me wrong, everyone is anticipating this release. I love that configuration. But in all honesty, where was this information obtained. All it says is leaked by Apple. Was it an Apple Store Rep, who opened a few boxes and read the configs.? i dunno

EDIT: Sorry, I just read what fred said. your a smarter man than I.

[Chef Ramen]

this isnt a rumor people. unless somebody haxored the apple store (HIGHLY DOUBT IT), then this is what were getting:)

[akohm]

Originally posted by FredAkbar
Go to the Apple Store and click on PowerMacs. Note the first line of info near the top of the page.

--Fred


THANKS!!!! I just did it. You're right. They leaked the intro graphic. This must be true or apple is playing with us. I'm sure someone's head will roll.

Yipee!!!!!!

[mislabeledstar]

beautiful

[Baja2k]

All this talk about low end stuff coming out first and big stuff out in a month or SO is killing me. If they really have dual 2Ghz boxes I'll be sitting at the store when the lights go on to buy my first mac! Waiting a month would be torture.



No fancy sig yet......

[avus]

Yikes, someone will be handed with a termination paper tomorrow:(

[jcdenton]

Hurray!

[moki]

yeah.... ooooops. (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/webboard/Forum64/HTML/001586.html) :)

[dukemeiser]

OMFG!!!!!! This is funniest DAMN thing I've every heard!!! it's still on the apple site!!! Well, so much for the big hype this weekend. Man, I hate to see what happens to the guy who leaked that!!! Uncle Steve's going to be mighty unhappy that his thunder got ruined by the web-site guy!

[hugemullens]

wow did apple screw up here. I LOVE THE SPECS !!!!!!!! I soooo cant wait.

[fussball]

Oh. my. god.



that is all :-) someone f'd up

[Baja2k]

In the time it took me to reply you guys had already shown "Proof" or did one of you guys hack the Apple site. ;)

Come on who did it, cause if it was an Apple Admin/Programmer they're Fired.


WOW WOW WOW

[Plastic Chicken]

I don't think it's real...

...either a hack or a joke. I prolly think this because apple.com wasn't working for me sometime yesterday. Also, they mentioned the processor being the "PowerPC G5", and we all thought they'd be using the 970, unless they're calling it the G5 for some odd reason.

For that, I gave this rumor a "negative".


Consider how hard it is to post something like that by accident, and not change all the rest of the picts!

It's an internal joke or a hack.

[MetallicPenguin]

Looks like we lost the element of surprise here!:D

[Dave Marsh]

Now I see it...either someone has hacked the Apple site, or someone working on updating next week's store postings following the WWDC Keynote has just lost their job.:(

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by Plastic Chicken
I don't think it's real...

...either a hack or a joke. I prolly think this because apple.com wasn't working for me sometime yesterday. Also, they mentioned the processor being the "PowerPC G5", and we all thought they'd be using the 970, unless they're calling it the G5 for some odd reason.

For that, I gave this rumor a "negative".


Consider how hard it is to post something like that by accident, and not change all the rest of the picts!

It's an internal joke or a hack.

What?

[edgar_is_good]

And up to 1ghz bus speed!!! Interesting about the three USB 2.0 ports...

[Laslo Panaflex]

I don't believe it, this is awsome, I hope someone didn't hack apple (either from inside of apple or out).

[reyesmac]

This is just too funny. Unfortunatly somebody will get fired for this mistake. I like how they say this is the worlds fastest personal computer. Knowing Apple though they will think that people will pay more for the fastest. Now the only deal breaker will be the price. Get that right, and happy days are here again. Cause if the price is right you will see this Mac on alot of PC magazine covers and it will get alot of press in the wintel circle. But if they price them as much or more than they are now, people will just shrug their shoulders and wait 3 months until Intel comes out with a new faster chip.

[iSegway]

To the guy at apple that accidentally put this up -- might as well put up the pic -- your job is most likely gone anyway. :P

[Baja2k]

Why no SuperDrive in the specs?? I'm starting to think we've been had.

[andrewlandry]

i don't know if it's real or hacked, but it's funny either way.

[iznAdiznam]

WTF!?!?!?!?!?

I can't believe it. How could they mess up this much? Someone at Apple is gonna get it bad....

Damn. Wow. Incredible. Now it will get interesting. I'm praying these machines will be cheaper than current prices.

I want a dual 2GHz!!!!!

Take care,
Ad

[Thirteenva]

lol they finally took it down...

[TwitchOSX]

Yea.. just send the actuall pics of the new G5's to chris@neoliquid.com and I will make sure you are immortalized forever =)

[iSegway]

If someone did hack em you should put up the "dontask" pic in place of the G4. : P

[DrGruv1]

dual 970 with gig bus...

spec is?????

[rice_web]

Gone! no!

[From Win to Mac]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT !!!!!!!!!!!

NO ********** WAY !!!!!!!!!!

Someone is gonna get seriously muitilated by Steve tonigh !!!!!!

And the specs are real good. Why is it still up ??????


Marc K

[akohm]

.....and the store is down.

[liven2]

Ok the store says it is down.. either they jsut realized the mistake or they just found out that they are getting hacked.. I honestly think that this was a APPLe screw up!.. I am a web developer and if you use similar naming standards for your images becaue of style sheets and template it is possible for this image to be uploaded early... Bit mistake.. Sounds like we all know what were getting next week.

[tpjunkie]

As incredible as these specs are, i'm going to be skeptical until an official announcement. it could be a wishful hacker. i don't remember any rumors about a 1 ghz bus. but if this is an apple mess up, and these are true specs...well then, im going to start saving now!

[bretm]

It's not a joke. Get a grip. Crap like that will make stock go up. AND down when they find out that's a joke. You don't screw around with stuff like that.

Unless someone hacked the site (in which case I'd have put something on the front page and been more obvious) it's simply a web management error. Happens all the time. They're working on the website for next week so they can hit a button and make the switch. A gif just got saved to the wrong directory or something similar. Someone may get fired, sure.

They're not going to call it the 970. 2 weeks later they'll have to call it the 970b rev 2 if they keep with that kinda naming. Then folks will be in the store going... which is faster, the 970 tower or the G4 imac? They're clueless. The public could care less, and the G5 nomer means generation five. Especially with G3s in the lineup, they want to show the customer what they're paying for... (say like nigel from spinal tap) "it's the G5, it's like 2 higher than the G3."

I guess when OS 11 comes out they can have nigel say "these go to eleven."

[bobindashadows]

I like how, in 99.999.9.99.99 percent... er... yeah... of Macrumors news items, the titles end with a questoin mark (? for the literally challenged), and this one ends with an exclamation point! This truly is a great day!

I figure, like someone posted at ambrosiasw, that this was akamai's fault. They said that since Apple probably had to send them all the pics by now, it was probably them posting the pic by mistake, or a server error or something. Or a h4x0r.

[iSegway]

Says the site is being updated now... is this part of some plane? Are they gonna reveal all shortly? Or is someone praying to god that they still have a job tomorrow? lol

Or were they hacked?

[machan]

aww, somebody at apple figured out that it was up there. the store's being updated (11:00 pm).

very nice specs. too bad i already made up my mind to wait until the second rev next spring or summer (but i'll be glad when i don't have as many bugs to deal with as the leapers).

[MetallicPenguin]

they're updating the store! I think it was a hack!:(

[TMJ1974]

Well, the Apple Store is now down.....they are either repaing the hack....or correcting the "leak"

Hope it is real !!

Looks great.

Tim

[Dave Marsh]

Remember, IBM said the FSB would run at half the processor speed...

[richie]

Wow! 2GHz! They actually beat the rumour sites! Interesting about the up to 1GHz bus... I guess it means the FSB scales with the processor, as was suggested. Very cool. :D People are gonna be complaining about the lack of middle-duals, but screw 'em, this is awesome :D

[loyalmacuser]

EOM

[obeygiant]

somebody already pulled it!!!

midnight eastern time

[Thirteenva]

Now all thats left is to find a picture of it...

[job]

Holy. ****.

Pigs are flying right now.

To quote someone from Appleinsider:

I never want to see a cease and desist letter from them to any web site *ever* again.

ahahahahahaha. 1Ghz bus! Hot damn. Bye-bye bottlenecks.

Cheers to all the Mac rumors sites out there. Even that French one... ;)

[jxyama]

yeah, apple store is down...

whatever the case, i sure hope the spec is right. that's one heck of a lineup!

[ouketii]

what!? the apple store is back up.. with the new specs still?

edit- oops, i hit refresh and it changed back to old again. weird, cleared my cache

[sickracer2015]

the store is back up... and the specs stand...

[alia]

Originally posted by ouketii
what!? the apple store is back up.. with the new specs still?


Yeah, I got that too... someone's head is gonna roll.

[sonicbaz]

hehehehe I can see the site again...maybe they got it wrong again! :D

[noverflow]

3 pci slots???
what about the 4th
i need 4

i think this is a possible hack to hurt apple. Stock would die if this was not the case after this leak.

i thought they added the 4th for us audio guys.

also, the pci or pci-x... this means they have 2 mother boards... for cost? but then wouldn't they also cut the sata on the lower... that is tons more expencive.

[zuggerat]

this is really weird.. wtf is happening?...i guess it's true...maybe their trying to disperse some of the rumors but still keep us guessin visually

[sickracer2015]

well i refreshed the page.. and its gone

[ouketii]

it might be fake- the specs were a different font, without the shading than the specs for other machines. hack?

[brig]

look at the apple icon on the apple stores "were gone" sticky note. The apple was BLUE, and the bars had a different shape/look. apple not grey, it was BLUE. it has never been that color before. Methinks that might indicate a new layout for the g5's

[Laslo Panaflex]

yup back to the old stats, doh

[weev]

That web page is now DOWN

"Be back soon" - sure you will!!;)

Guess there may be a few vacancies next week at Apple....

[ouketii]

Originally posted by brig
look at the apple icon on the apple stores "were gone" sticky note. The apple was BLUE, and the bars had a different shape/look. apple not grey, it was BLUE. it has never been that color before. Methinks that might indicate a new layout for the g5's

yeh i noticed that. but the buttons had the same labels, not the older tags.

[nslyax]

Store seems to be back up, and the G5 info is still there. I dont think Im going to make it to bed tonight with something like this unfolding though. Cant wait to see some prices.

[noverflow]

I called the apple store... went like this

Hi, i was looking at the powermacs online at the apple store. you know, the towers... I saw that you have high speeds listed than you have for sale, and id like to purchase one of the faster ones. They are listed at up to dual 2.0 ghz...

she said

All i can say now is that apple does not comment.

So they are not for sale?

All i can say now is that apple does not comment.


ok... thanks



hahahahaha... oh that sucks

[TylerL]

I feel SO BAD for Apple.
Yeah. That's right.
Having worked for Apple for almost two years, I understand the horrible horrible pressure these sites put on Apple...and how awful something like this is to their "big surprise".

...like a kid opening presents on Christmas Eve...

...but these stats are much much better than I expected, and my credit card's just waiting for the "green light" :D

[shecky]

<---swiftly sending his resume to Apple web development division.

<---is sure to highlight the "can read file names properly" skill listing

[sonicbaz]

site is down again

[noverflow]

NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!

The reason it is still there is because the image you viewed looks the same to the cache of the computer...

IT IS NOT STILL UP!

i just checked on my g/fs comp... it is not up on hers but it still says it on mine...

IT IS A CACHE ISSUE!

[crazzyeddie]

page is back to normal! They put up the old G4 specs!

[akohm]

Originally posted by noverflow
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!
NOTE!!!

The reason it is still there is because the image you viewed looks the same to the cache of the computer...

IT IS NOT STILL UP!

i just checked on my g/fs comp... it is not up on hers but it still says it on mine...

IT IS A CACHE ISSUE!

While some people may be having a cache issue, the store has gone up and down. They appeared to have fixed the mistake, but the graphic didn't look to good. Almost like they had to make it on the fly or they got the sizing wrong in the code. I'm sure that they are just trying to fix it a little better now. Actually, the store is back with the same bad graphic. Who knows what they are trying to do. Maybe there was another leak?

[XnavxeMiyyep]

No one seems to have noticed that there are now 12" Powerbooks w/ Superdrives, and price drops.

[Sun Baked]

:p

What fun, Apple handed that one to the Rumor community on a silver platter.

And they quickly changed the graphic on the server. ;)

But not before hundreds of people downloaded the pic.

---

Now that leaves the shape of the PowerMac box, and the guts of the PowerBook to talk about. :)

[akohm]

Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
No one seems to have noticed that there are now 12" Powerbooks w/ Superdrives, and price drops.

They did that earlier this evening.

[bretm]

I bought stock yesterday. Yeee ha!

Hope this will surge some interest pre monday.

[ouketii]

Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
No one seems to have noticed that there are now 12" Powerbooks w/ Superdrives, and price drops.


the 200$ drop was a while ago.

[brig]

We get sweet new towers, with new displays, and we get new powerbooks soon too, and i bet they are G5 as well. How do I know all of this? well I checked out the special deals section. last week I could buy ANYTHING for cheap (even 12" or a 17"). Every tower, every display, every computer, except for the xserve. Now its down to a 17" imac, ipod, an airport station, and that 23" LCD. So let think here. Why would apple put everything on sale RIGHT BEFORE a bigtime event? Hm, lets think...uhhh...hm...drawing blanks....oh right, new machines all over the place. I'll be happy to buy my PB G5 when it appears, and if (for some odd reason) it never does come, shoot , i'll buy a nice tower instead. Cheers to all, were back on top.

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Originally posted by ouketii
the 200$ drop was a while ago.
I guess it was me who didn't see them.:rolleyes:

[jtfolden]

Could it have been a hack? _Notice that the bulleting is different in the "supposed" G5 specs. _Apple doesn't use a "-" on any other page, or the g4 specs.

[TiMacLover]

This is a cheap attemp for publicity just like the whole iMac on time magazine, I have been around too long to know Apple doesn't do anything on accident. If that was a accident he would have sued Time I bet.


This came from a Spymac Poster :

Fake... definitely a hack. The picture wasn't even changed, or the model chooser halfway down the page wasn't either....It still said single 1Ghz, dual 1.25, and dual 1.42Ghz... 8GB RAM...cmon. You guys are so gullible. Obviously a hack.

Oh ya, It just said G5. No mention of a 970 at all.

And... if it wasn't a hoax why would Apple pull it down so quick. Do you really think that they have that loose of control over their main servers, that a slip like that could just happen by mistake??? I think not.... If it was legit, it would still be up. Apple doesn't make mistakes like this.

In any case, I'm all for the 970 and stuff, but this just reeks of hack.

[pellucidity]

Well, as of now, the 'fugly' G4 specs image has been fixed.

I don't think this is a hack. Accidents like this are all too common in all walks of code, and if it wasn't tested right, that's what happens when you've been looking at two different pages with the same layout.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but Arn's posting of this info and certain other things make me wonder how much more he knows that he just can't tell ;)

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by shecky
<---swiftly sending his resume to Apple web development division.

<---is sure to highlight the "can read file names properly" skill listing

Uh, that was part of the problem, I think: the file names were the same for both gifs-- I checked.

Hot damn!

The 2Gigs won't be available Monday, will they? The top of the line units are usually stalled a month of so...

This explains why the boxes shipped so early-- it's gonna be pandemonium when they're out of stock...

Geek drool...

I do kinda have that "saw the presents in the attic" kinda feeling now though...

[Steradian]

::crosses Fingers:: Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please I REALLY hope that is is real, it would be such a dissapointment to have this faked :( guess we are gunna have to wait it out...again...Hmm maybe mondays CAN be good ;)

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Originally posted by TiMacLover
This is a cheap attemp for publicity just like the whole iMac on time magazine, I have been around too long to know Apple doesn't do anything on accident. If that was a accident he would have sued Time I bet.


This came from a Spymac Poster :

Fake... definitely a hack. The picture wasn't even changed, or the model chooser halfway down the page wasn't either....It still said single 1Ghz, dual 1.25, and dual 1.42Ghz... 8GB RAM...cmon. You guys are so gullible. Obviously a hack.

Oh ya, It just said G5. No mention of a 970 at all.

And... if it wasn't a hoax why would Apple pull it down so quick. Do you really think that they have that loose of control over their main servers, that a slip like that could just happen by mistake??? I think not.... If it was legit, it would still be up. Apple doesn't make mistakes like this.

In any case, I'm all for the 970 and stuff, but this just reeks of hack.
8 GB of RAM is not that unreasonable. And so what if it doesn't mention the 970? How often is the G4 referred to as the 75xx? As said earlier, it was probably an employee who will soon be fired.

[DHagan4755]

Originally posted by jtfolden
Could it have been a hack? _Notice that the bulleting is different in the "supposed" G5 specs. _Apple doesn't use a "-" on any other page, or the g4 specs. Yeah they do...just look at the front page with Quark on it...it's got the " - " as a bullet, as does on the top of the Apple Store for Quark.

[smashedapart]

One World: MacHack

[bretm]

Originally posted by richie
Wow! 2GHz! They actually beat the rumour sites! Interesting about the up to 1GHz bus... I guess it means the FSB scales with the processor, as was suggested. Very cool. :D People are gonna be complaining about the lack of middle-duals, but screw 'em, this is awesome :D

Who's gonna complain? The single 1.4 is supposed to be 3 or 4 times faster than the dual 1.4 in some tests according to macbidouleieleieoule....

[razorme]

Well, even though one wants to get all soapy over these 'stats', I think the real info we need is price, availability, and real world differences between these machines and the G4's.

[TwitchOSX]

So what? Somebody else posted this though somewhere else but they are NOT going to delcare the new PowerMacs as "Power Mac 970". It will be called the G5 because we have had the G3 and G4 and next will be G5 regardless of processor. Do you really think that if Apple stayed with Motorolla that they would call the G5 the "Power Mac 7455" or whatever? No.. it would be the G5.. Maybe they might refer to the G5 as the Power Mac 970 as they call each model by their different traits like MMD and Graphite and Digital Audio.. but not by the "G" name. Those other names are internal for machine specifics. Apple does NOT need to specify 970 in the name of the machine to the world. They will I am sure specify in the "Tech Specs" and other places on the info about the new power macs but that doesnt change the name and has nothing to do with the "name" of the computer.

[richie]

Originally posted by bretm
Who's gonna complain? The single 1.4 is supposed to be 3 or 4 times faster than the dual 1.4 in some tests according to macbidouleieleieoule....

Trust me, people will complain about anything, I mean, look at the negative ratings on this thread already.

[noverflow]

too much traffic at this site from other pages... was this thread killed?

[ZildjianKX]

Apple is screwed if this is fake.

[coumerelli]

Now, I don't know if this was a hack or not, but it sure seems(ed) that the specs were lacking. e.g. no mention of superdrive and what not.

Just another two pennies added to the pot.

[TiMacLover]

http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html .... look at the bottom of the page under "Architecture" it saysUp to 2GB memory, not the same as the top image of specs.

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by TiMacLover

Oh ya, It just said G5. No mention of a 970 at all.

Do you really think that they have that loose of control over their main servers, that a slip like that could just happen by mistake???

I really don't think Apple will name the box after the processor number... Too inconsistent. Too inflexible.

Apple's lost control of their developers network server in the past, haven't they? I seem to remember things showing up for the general public that were intendend for "elite" developers only to be quickly removed.

Hacking the main page I could see, but hacking the store? If that's not bulletproof, it's dangerous... Think of how easy it would be to redirect a credit card number with a few hacked links.

You have to think this is being treated as a major release. I'm sure they're testing and retesting the pages so they can cut over cleanly. The gifs had the same name. I'm guessing someone put something in the wrong place, or thought they had taken the store down for internal testing...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't have long before I'll know for sure!

I'll be the guy in the sleeping bag on University Ave...

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by TiMacLover
http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html .... look at the bottom of the page under "Architecture" it saysUp to 2GB memory, not the same as the top image of specs.

That's consistent with the dual 1.42 GHz tower... only the one image was changed... not the whole page.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by TiMacLover
This is a cheap attemp for publicity just like the whole iMac on time magazine, I have been around too long to know Apple doesn't do anything on accident. If that was a accident he would have sued Time I bet.


This came from a Spymac Poster :

Fake... definitely a hack. The picture wasn't even changed, or the model chooser halfway down the page wasn't either....It still said single 1Ghz, dual 1.25, and dual 1.42Ghz... 8GB RAM...cmon. You guys are so gullible. Obviously a hack.

Oh ya, It just said G5. No mention of a 970 at all.

And... if it wasn't a hoax why would Apple pull it down so quick. Do you really think that they have that loose of control over their main servers, that a slip like that could just happen by mistake??? I think not.... If it was legit, it would still be up. Apple doesn't make mistakes like this.

In any case, I'm all for the 970 and stuff, but this just reeks of hack.

Sorry but that poster at Spymac is a complete moron. Only one image was replaced because the images are sliced. Only one file was overwritten. Someone is going to risk going to jail for a little fun with a few mac users that may see it? That's just stupid. Loose control over their servers? Well, if they did, that explains how they got hacked. But he's saying they have tight control. It got pulled because people were calling asking for the G5! It was pulled because it's not a released product yet! Sorry, that guy is a moron.

[job]

Originally posted by coumerelli
Now, I don't know if this was a hack or not, but it sure seems(ed) that the specs were lacking. e.g. no mention of superdrive and what not.

Just another two pennies added to the pot.

possibly superdrives across the line?

then again, something like that would be pretty major as well...

[Sun Baked]

We'll see Monday, but Steve does talk about browsing some of the rumor forums in days before the shows.

And some of the 100% accurate info has been dropped by new members having 1 post during the last couple big intros.

Wouldn't put it past Steve to intentionally play games to gauge consumer reactions before the "official" announcement.

Doesn't hurt if he's still able to make some last minute tweaks to the specs.

[pozytron]

My guess is that they were already planning on taking the store down temporarily to upload the new graphics (for testing purposes) and took the store down a little too late. :-P

I REALLY hope the image is real, for Apple's sake.

[mstecker]

I feel really sorry for the whole chain of people who screwed this up at Apple. They might lose their jobs, and this is a terrible time to be without a job.

You know, this rumor stuff is all fun and games until someone loses their job.

I've worked with Steve before, and I can hear in my mind the conversation between the manager who had to pick up the phone and call Steve at home and tell him about this. "Uh, Hi, Steve. Sorry to bother you at home, but we've had an issue."

I wouldn't want to be that person.

[Hawthorne]

Looks like you scooped the world on this one. Be prepared for an onslaught of hits tomorrow once this reaches the mainstream. ;)

And no, I don't think it was a hack. I agree with all of those who said it's most likely the result of someone (who is as we speak being blindfolded and stood up against a wall in Cupertino :) ) posting the wrong image to the wrong folder. It's only one image on a site that has thousands. If someone hacked Apple, they'd hit the front page, not some obscure images folder.

[Skandranon]

Originally posted by coumerelli
Now, I don't know if this was a hack or not, but it sure seems(ed) that the specs were lacking. e.g. no mention of superdrive and what not.

Just another two pennies added to the pot.

This chap raises an excellent point. Apple would be foolish to overlook any mention of the OPTICAL DRIVE in a GIF like that...

The wind in my sails have just been deflated by that revelation alone... don't let your expectations soar too high, guys.

[iSegway]

Originally posted by mstecker
I feel really sorry for the whole chain of people who screwed this up at Apple. They might lose their jobs, and this is a terrible time to be without a job.

You know, this rumor stuff is all fun and games until someone loses their job.

I've worked with Steve before, and I can hear in my mind the conversation between the manager who had to pick up the phone and call Steve at home and tell him about this. "Uh, Hi, Steve. Sorry to bother you at home, but we've had an issue."

I wouldn't want to be that person.

I don't understand what the big deal is?

So what, people know the stats a couple days early. This will just increase interest for the event.

3 days... lol thats it. Things happen, people are human.

Maybe I am missing the real ramifications of this. I don't see any myself.

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Originally posted by TiMacLover
http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html .... look at the bottom of the page under "Architecture" it saysUp to 2GB memory, not the same as the top image of specs.

It also says "G4 specs". The G5 stats are and overview. The only suspicious thing is no Superdrive mention, but I doubt a hacker would miss that since it is on the current overview sheet. My bet is that they're putting together the page for Monday @ 3PM, immediately after Steve-o is done talking. They're testing and someone messed up because the file names are the same.

As someone else said, a hack likely would've attacked the frontpage of Apple and not the store, or put up fake images and fake prices - not just a little graphic. No, I think this is real. I also think Apple would have already posted information that it was a hack - in an attempt to thwart any damage caused if these specs aren't real.

It is possible it could be intentional on Apple's part. Think about it, it could add fuel to the fire. If Steve and company know they're going to deliver the goods, why not allow for the hype to get out of control - if they're able to match it. It could translate into a big bump in stock and a lot of free publicity, fueling a fury of Apple sales next week.

Of course, they could have exaggerated the specs too, if it was intentional. I know from two sources at IBM that they've sent 2.5GHZ 970s (.13) to Apple (haven't been told how many, but was told it was a large shipment and went with the initial 970 shipment). I wasn't expecting Apple to release those yet, but what if Steve pulls a "one more thing" and reveals the "uber-ultra-Intelkilling-PowerMac" w/ dual 2.5s and a 1.25 GHZ FSB? I doubt it, but a boy can dream, right? I think if it is a leak by Apple, that Steve is going to upstage it and just blow everyone away. Monday should not just be a huge day for us Applenuts, but also for the entire computing industry. I'd love to see 'lil Billy Gates and Intel execs watch Steve's address and take a crap in their pants when they see what he's got to offer.

[voyagerd]

hm... can't wait to personally configure:D

[Panther 970]

If this indeed a fake, then I presume that Apple will release a statement on it very shortly.

If it is real however, then we will likely only hear from them the phrase "We cannot comment." You see, Apple cannot tell us that it's a fake and then it turns out to be real on Monday. That would be a lie and show that Apple is untrustworthy. So, if we hear nothing from Apple on this very soon, then that is a good sign that these specs are indeed very real! :D

Now what about the price issue? I'm not about to spend a fortune on new PowerMac! :mad:

[crees!]

Bad post.. my bad

[TwitchOSX]

This is fun for us.. sure. We visit these sites because we care and becuse we are rumor mongers. And yea.. it actually does suck to think that somebody may loose thier job at Apple because of this. However, if this is true.. stock is going to JUMP even before the damn show. Other problem is.. if it ISNT true, stock will be fuxored possibly. I know Steve Jobs doesnt like rumor sites.. because there are so many for his specific company and they try to release things before he can bring down the thunder, and sure... that would suck for him, but he also knows that if there were not rabid Mac loyalists like us, there would be no Apple Computer. So.. I really think, regardless of what happens on Monday, we will be happy. Upgrades are always good. Unless he says "We are staying with Motorolla and within 6 months we should have 1.6ghz G4's" we should be pretty happy with what he has to say.

I have never heard of a hack on Apple's website so this leak tonight makes me think that its definately an accident. I dont think that anybody should be FIRED over it.. as with a website this large.. it could be a number of peoples fault or it could just be a screw up. Its a pain in the ass dealing with large websites. I know. You have test servers and real servers and graphics named the same thing and if you just simply upload the wrong thing to the wrong server the **** can hit the fan. It happens. But I hope this G5 graphic is true because then Apple will be back in the saddle. **** MOTOROLLA!!!! Go back to Cell Phones.

[hacurio1]

Originally posted by brig
We get sweet new towers, with new displays, and we get new powerbooks soon too, and i bet they are G5 as well. How do I know all of this? well I checked out the special deals section. last week I could buy ANYTHING for cheap (even 12" or a 17"). Every tower, every display, every computer, except for the xserve. Now its down to a 17" imac, ipod, an airport station, and that 23" LCD. So let think here. Why would apple put everything on sale RIGHT BEFORE a bigtime event? Hm, lets think...uhhh...hm...drawing blanks....oh right, new machines all over the place. I'll be happy to buy my PB G5 when it appears, and if (for some odd reason) it never does come, shoot , i'll buy a nice tower instead. Cheers to all, were back on top.

Cheers to that. I'm so happy! We're back on top! On Monday, the GHz war will be over, because GHz will no longer be relevant with these babies. Holly ******, dual 2GHZ with 1GHz bus. OMG, that will kick some serious butt. And as mentioned before, 1Ghz bus is not a surprise. In the 970s, the bus is half of the proc speed. So if it's 2GHz, the bus is 1GHz, if the proc is at 2.5Ghz, the bus will be 1.25GHZ.

Cheers again!
Who wants to go out tomorrow and have a beer with me to celebrate the new G5s, and the fact that we are back on top?

[sickracer2015]

machack has started today as well.. maybe it was them hacking apple

[wrc fan]

Originally posted by sickracer2015
machack has started today as well.. maybe it was them hacking apple

MacHack is not about hacking into websites, heck, hacking isn't even the right term, hacking orriginally was hacking code together and stuff, which is why MacHack is about coding. Cracking is the term that should be used for illegally breaking into a server.

[terceiro]

I don't understand what the big deal is?

So what, people know the stats a couple days early. This will just increase interest for the event.

3 days... lol thats it. Things happen, people are human.

Maybe I am missing the real ramifications of this. I don't see any myself.

The issues aren't about thunder-stealing, but about the legal issues of disclosure and stock prices. Major announcements (can be) insider information, and, in certain instances, whole companies can go into a blackout period before them. If the information gets leaked (as in this case) there's that pesky SEC to deal with...

Perhaps a hardware release isn't material -- I don't know; I've only worked software myself. But I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a case of anyone getting fired just because he got Steve-o angry.

These are good specs, yes. Will they be astronomically expensive? Heck yeah. If Apple is going to sell "the world's fastest personal computer" it's going to cost like it, too. That's how business works: when you want the best product you have to pay for it.

[jimthorn]

Whether it was a mistake or a hack, this whole thing will be talked about for years to come. I can already imagine people posting here before MWSF04, "well, remember what happened when the G5's came out"...

I think it was an oops, not a hack. Bring on the G5's.

[Doctor Q]

Question from an audio non-expert: What does the G5's "optical audio in and out" let me do?

[terceiro]

Apple would be foolish to overlook any mention of the OPTICAL DRIVE in a GIF like that...

Actually, no. The G5 gif includes ten bullet points. The gif for the current shipping models has but nine. It's just an issue of choosing what to highlite. They don't call out the 56K modem either -- is that a problem, too? Of course not, because the modem is taken for granted (though not in the PC world). What about ethernet? Same deal. Just a marketing decision.

[marco_ppc]

Originally posted by jimthorn

I think it was an oops, not a hack. Bring on the G5's.
Whatever it was, it cooperated into keeping high interest around apple WWDC announcements :)
Don't know why, but everytime people wait for something i expect this kind of things from Apple :)

[Keness]

This is the biggest news for me, as a Home Theater Mac User...

To answer the above post, optical allows for a cleaner sound signal to and from your receiver/speakers.

Most importantly, though, optical audio out implies (FINALLY!) multichannel sound out. Surround Sound.

If Apple has put surround sound hardware in place, they probably have updated DVD Player to PASS that surround sound to a receiver for those of us with surround sound setups. (Or people can just use the analog audio out if they don't.)

Multichannel audio out has been around for a while with devices like the M-Audio Sonica, but since DVD Player didn't support multichannel sound itself, it didn't do any good.

[jettaboi]

It looks to me like this was a mistake made when loading some changes to the Apple store. For the last week ive been pricing various powerbook configurations in anticipation of monday in the education store. I just went in there again after all this mess and all of the buttons to "update" the order, "1-click", etc are flat like the iPod ordering buttons . . . . they used to bulge out.

Besides I would think that Apple's servers would be rather secure to prevent them from being "hacked".

Just my thoughts.

[TheOne]

Originally posted by jimthorn
Whether it was a mistake or a hack, this whole thing will be talked about for years to come. I can already imagine people posting here before MWSF04, "well, remember what happened when the G5's came out"...

I think it was an oops, not a hack. Bring on the G5's.

This will be one of the biggest 3-4 days for me in a long time to come... Apple "acidently" releases the specs early on Thursday/Friday depending on your time zone. Then on Saturday Year 5 of Harry Potter! Saturday/Sunday, reading Harry Potter Year 5. Then on monday WWDC Keynote, then my Graduation Party! Finally on Tuesday I order my G5 :D

[rogueimage]

...but I think these specs are a hoax. I really really hope it's not, because it can't possibly be good for Apple if they don't live up to those specs, but there are two things missing from the list. First, as many have noticed, there is no mention of a Superdrive, which Apple loves to push.

Second, there is not even mention that these processors are 64-bit! I know 64-bit processing is not something that is meaningful to most users, but 64-bit certainly sounds twice as good as 32-bit to the average consumer. Apple surely knows this, and would take every opportunity to remind people.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by rogueimage
...but I think these specs are a hoax. I really really hope it's not, because it can't possibly be good for Apple if they don't live up to those specs, but there are two things missing from the list. First, as many have noticed, there is no mention of a Superdrive, which Apple loves to push.

Second, there is not even mention that these processors are 64-bit! I know 64-bit processing is not something that is meaningful to most users, but 64-bit certainly sounds twice as good as 32-bit to the average consumer. Apple surely knows this, and would take every opportunity to remind people.

They wont talk about 64-bit until they release Panther. OS X wont take advantage of it until Panther is released. And they don't want people complaining about only having a 32-bit OS and babbling until Panther comes out.

[macnews]

Wow, Wow and WOW!

Like some people have already mentioned, when you are working in a template type of website, with similar naming conventions, etc. it is very easy to accidentally set the wrong "start" time. If you think Apple just has someone waiting until the announcement to submit all the info on the site, guess again! A BIG attention to detail item that will most likely cost someone their job. I doubt this was a hack or crack into Apple's website (the Apple store non the less!).

As to the posters who have asked about superdrives and other specs about them - look at the current Apple store. You will notice they don't always list specs like the superdrive. Mater of fact, the only reason it is currently listed is because it is a NEW 4x superdrive - adding incentive to buy. Thus, I don't think this distracts from any of the credibility of the posted specs.

One item that seems to have gone by un-noticed the current Apple store lists the PowerMac "G4". Every summer I buy new powermacs for the university I work at and have been pricing to get ready for the potential 970 release (using current models - Apple has tended to stay relatively close so it gives me a rough budget $). The past month when I have been going in to the store and doing powermac configs I would always click on Powermac - not Powermac "G4". The "G4" moniker seems to be a new addition.

[MacBandit]

Well I am excited I really am but I doubt the authenticity of the image posted at Apple. At first I really though they just screwed up but when you see the G4 specs side by side with the G5 specs it just looks completely different thent the Apple standard.

See for yourself. Also feel free to browse the Apple store you will see that it differs in layout from all of the other hardware products at the store.

At this point only a few days until we all know the truth but I chose to air on the side of caution as Apple is known for letting us down.

[Belly-laughs]

Shame the hacker didnt´get info on the new 15,4" PB.

If the data proves to be right, maybe the 1,4GHz processor (that we were initially expecting) is in the updated 17" and the brand new 15,4".

It´s building up to become a keynote speach with a lot of expectations. I think they´ll be answered in full.

Oh, and there´s not only one more thing!

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
We'll see Monday, but Steve does talk about browsing some of the rumor forums in days before the shows.

And some of the 100% accurate info has been dropped by new members having 1 post during the last couple big intros.

Wouldn't put it past Steve to intentionally play games to gauge consumer reactions before the "official" announcement.


Nor would I. It would behoove the site admins to keep a record of such poster's IP's fpr future reference.

...of course, they probably do, and that might account for at least a little of Arn's amazing intution.


The RAM seems so ridiculous that I fear this is fake (Apple legal's imposition tonight notwithstanding). --That, or Panther is going to really suck for people without recent hardware.

[gorman]

Okay, here are some bits of interest.

1) No information on SuperDrive/etc is listed on the iMac writeup on Apple's store, so the fact the PowerMac descriptions don't mention the drives either is meaningless.

2) Apple has removed the aquafied buttons on the store, making room for other design changes, so the style difference means nothing either. If someone were "hacking" their servers, don't you think they would have used the style there to add realism?

3) Apple has given a "no comment" on this issue, as reported on CNet's News.com here: http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-1019444.html?tag=fd_top

4) MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and now CNet's News.com are taking this as fact.

I think we know the specifications.

[kylos]

Other various changes have been made to the Apple site recently, so I wouldn't put too much stock in the differences you noticed.


Oh, and if somebody successfully hacked the apple website I think they would make the best use of their efforts by scrawling profanities across the front page.

[GeneR]

This sounds too good to be true. I'm going to be in shock for the next week following WWDC, I just know it.

Wow. Wowowowowowow.

Question: How much faster will a 1.4 G5/970 now be in comparison with a 1.4 G4? Hmmm.

[scem0]

Wow. This is great!

If the pricing scheme remains about the same, I will be buying a dual 2 GHz.

I am elated at this news. Let's hope it isn't a hack.

:::sigh of releaf::: ;)

-scem0

[bertagert]

This GUY (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28909&perpage=25&pagenumber=2) got the specs dead on! Scroll a little more than half way down the page.

:D :D :D :D

[MacBandit]

Okay just to start off I think that the specs are at least close to correct and will think that way until next week and we know for sure. I'm not trying to argue this whole thing I'm just trying to be a voice of reason so here goes.


Originally posted by gorman
Okay, here are some bits of interest.

1) No information on SuperDrive/etc is listed on the iMac writeup on Apple's store, so the fact the PowerMac descriptions don't mention the drives either is meaningless.

I tend to agree here it's just a headline spec sheet. If you want to know all the details they expect you to go to the hardware specifications which you should have already done in their oppinion if you are at this page ready to buy.



2) Apple has removed the aquafied buttons on the store, making room for other design changes, so the style difference means nothing either. If someone were "hacking" their servers, don't you think they would have used the style there to add realism?

I would think they would use similar style and text too but the fact is that all the specs listings like this in the store for the Apple hardware use the exact same style not one of them differs one iota.


3) Apple has given a "no comment" on this issue, as reported on CNet's News.com here: http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-1019444.html?tag=fd_top

No comment means nothing. If Apple was hacked they wouldn't admit it. They have been holding themselves up as secure for years. Also some people mentioned this is the store and it would be extremely secure. This is just the store front not the transaction process which is encrypted.


4) MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and now CNet's News.com are taking this as fact.

I think we know the specifications.

I don't think MacRumors is holding this as fact they are simply pasing on this information I mean it is Mac Rumors and this is what they do after all. Anything they put down is a rumor or quite possibly fact but not actually fact unless Apple says so. Also just because everyone purports it as fact or simply posts it without saying fact or not doesn't make it true. It is news afterall. Do you believe everything on the 9 o'clock news? You shouldn't.

[GregGomer]

Some one commented that they wouldn't put it past Steve too Leak info to get public reaction.

Well he knows we'll love it, so if that were true, the only reason I could see, was to guage just how much we love it, before they finalize pricing.

And wouldn't that blow, if they are all reading the posts, says, see, they love it, we can sell it for at least $500 more then the current models.

Anyhoo, if they are priced right, you better believe, I'm gonna be just dying to get one. But if they aren't priced right, better believe that I'll be passing on these with out giving it much thought.

[bertagert]

MacBandit get a grip! Apple screwed up and let the cat out of the bag. Its as simple as that.

[gorman]

It has nothing to do with believing what one site says, it has to do with multiple credible sources basically taking it as fact. I realize there are many possibilities, but there are just too many signs pointing to this being the truth. I've yet to see one good sign pointing to it being a "hack" or anything like that, and I truly believe someone simply messed up. I mean come on, it was on Apple's site, it wasn't posted in the gallery at Spymac or something.

Anyone can argue the most minor points trying to prove that this is false, but there are just too many signs pointing to this being the truth.

[williwilli]

check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?p=742#742

download some music or something while you are there!

[ratspg]

been following crazy news and watching leaks go by...as the 'g5' info goes around. hope everyone has a good night, im off for now :) too much rumors for a day...but i don't think they are really rumors anymore :), just thought id ad to a thread thats important! ;) woo hoo, it was nice to talk to some of ya on irc too = )

[elliotay]

Everything's pointing to this being some small(HUGE) error by some poor soul who's about to lose their job. Can't wait for the release on monday.

Most promising images yet from willi. Thumbs up from me. :D

[aaron128]

Those G5 tower images look legit. Of course, let the arguing begin!

[edenwaith]

If this these are the true specs and not just a clever ploy by Apple to screw with the rumor-mongers, then these machines are going to kick some major a$$! Either way, the new Powermacs will hopefully give that huge kick-in-the-pants that they've been needing for the past year.

I noticed a similar yawn-effect going on with the original iMacs after a few years. They just had some speed bumps and that was it. Nothing to impressive past that. But then the next generation was the flat panel iMac. I hope that this upcoming line of PM will be just as revolutionary and exciting.

And if the line does start at 1.6 GHz, that will be 200 MHz higher than many rumors were speculating. We'll see...

[bankshot]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Of course, they could have exaggerated the specs too, if it was intentional. I know from two sources at IBM that they've sent 2.5GHZ 970s (.13) to Apple (haven't been told how many, but was told it was a large shipment and went with the initial 970 shipment). I wasn't expecting Apple to release those yet, but what if Steve pulls a "one more thing" and reveals the "uber-ultra-Intelkilling-PowerMac" w/ dual 2.5s and a 1.25 GHZ FSB? I doubt it, but a boy can dream, right?

Heh, I was thinking the same thing. We can still dream, even when our previous dreams came true. :D

Another thing to think about... what if they were planning to do a press release tomorrow (Friday) to announce the G5s. That would give the weekend for everyone to go crazy about them and start ordering, etc. Then on Monday, Steve can talk about them but still focus on Panther. After all, this is still the main attraction at WWDC, right?

Probably not, but we'll know about this possibility within 12 hours or so...

[chewbaccapits]

I try to post this....With all the rumors flying around, its making me mac horny :)


It hasn't been this much fun since the iWalk!....

[nagromme]

These specs are beyond amazing--the 1.6 bottom end would not have surprised me as the TOP end, coming out this fall! But human error sounds simpler than a hack, and I'm inclined to believe the specs.

Price? It will be VERY high. Apple has been spending a lot on R&D, there's pent up demand, and the economy is bad. This is a product they will sell out at ANY price, so they'll make what they can from it. But be patient and prices will fall.

Optical audio... sounds innovative! Maybe audible video too!

Now the question is what Steve will do about this leak come Monday. What he should do--and I bet he will--is something hilarious. Like maybe bring the person who made the mistake on stage!

Besides Panther is still a potential surprise--not ALL the thunder is stolen!

[iSegway]

Leaked: ******** Info!
They made Arn censor this too? lol Jeez! Apple must be really bitter. lmao!

[nagromme]

This must be the WORST news ever!

There are 120 negative ratings :)

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by williwilli
check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?p=742#742

download some music or something while you are there!

Those look pretty real to me... no jacks on the front, interesting.

No PB leaks? LoL, too bad.

[yumpin yiminy]

i'm going to remain skeptical until i see it officially announced.
getting worked up over it now seems like it would really suck if there was a let down.
when i noticed the mention of 3 PCI or 3PCIX slots it made me think they had two logic boards --typically they throw one in the low end version, right? as an in between (i.e., BW G3 Yikes!)
So up to 8 gig of ram= 4 gigs ram per processor
the 50% clockspeed bus to the logic board
8x AGP

man that sounds sweet. but until i see one or see final specs, for sure....whew... with an improved OS.... man....
i'm gonna have to forget I saw this. it is for the best.
what does this mean for 3D animators? competition on the silicon streets...sheeesh... want money for machine.....

dual deuces....man... it is gonna suck reading news sites tomorrow. i only hope i don't dream in aqua or about panthers

man. and these aren't G3s or G4s...it is the one i've been waiting for for 4 loong years....make it stop....gotta go...get...no...gotta go now.

but i won't go until someone promises to buy me one. you no like Yiminy when Yiminy angst ridden.

[LVzardoz]

Exciting news for Mac fans but probably a "ho-hum" for most of the non-Mac public unless prices are dropped.

[skunk]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Those look pretty real to me...
Not unless Ive has taken a Boring pill...:rolleyes:

[tribalogical]

think secret still has the "leaked" images & page on their site...

...not for long, I imagine! :)


By the way, if this news follows the usual release cycles, they will announce the dual-2Gb on monday, but won't actually ship it until August (6~8 weeks is common for newly announced boxes, right?)

I'm getting in line for one if it really is those specs... practically matches my dream "wishlist" to the letter... I don't care WHAT the box looks like! I'll stick it under a desk if it's yugly...


tlc

[macmunch]

Its not soo hard for Apple !

Because not every man reads rumor Sites !

:)


I think there are many which will cry at WWDC :)

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I don't believe it, this is awsome, I hope someone didn't hack apple (either from inside of apple or out).

Exaclty the same feelings....
Almost too good to be true. (and you know what they say about "too good to be true")

[macmovieman]

Originally posted by williwilli
check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?p=742#742

download some music or something while you are there!

Come on! This is so fake. Look at the reflection on the comparison. It shows the air holes from the G4! You can see it better when it's darkened.

http://members.shaw.ca/cassidy_s/g5fake.jpg

It's just a shameless plug to get us to go to that site. Too bad, cause it looks fairly good!

EDIT: Seems since I posted this edit of the original posted pic, the posted one has been taken off that site. Obviously a fake pic, but the specs are looking good.

[the future]

Originally posted by bretm
...say like nigel from spinal tap... "it's the G5, it's like 2 higher than the G3." I guess when OS 11 comes out they can have nigel say "these go to eleven."

THAT (OS 11) would be the funniest ad in the history of advertising! What a BRILLIANT idea!

[williwilli]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Those look pretty real to me... no jacks on the front, interesting.

No PB leaks? LoL, too bad.

They could be on the bottom left side towards the front...or recessed with the handles.

[Sabenth]

Ok dont know what ive just seen dont know if its reall dont know if its some sick joke hack or what...... but if its true the good for apple for a change sick of all the microsoft dell packardbell and HP about time apple got somthing great to shout about shame its been shouted about already..


Now some one get the bloody prices for them please..

[nagromme]

True, the specs list is shorter than the available space. But look where it lines up across the page... see?

It would exactly fit if Apple removed the Mac OS 9 mini-banner. I'd say OS 9 towers (now that Quark is out) are about to be taken off the store. Or greatly de-emphasized.

PS, somebody has a complete HTML mirror of the leak if you want to see what I mean: http://www.garyschechter.com/G5/g5.html

PPS, Apple ALREADY uses the Spinal Tap "11" quote in marketing: http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11 (second paragraph)

PPPS, is the Music Store down?

[Sun Baked]

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=380969 Seems there is one site that has summed up the recent events rather eloquently...

Originally Posted by www.appleturns.com

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Hee hee. Heh.

Aheh.

mmmmmmppppphhhhhhHAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Hee hee hee hee... HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE! Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha. Aheh. Heh.

Okay, all better now.

If you don't know what just caused us to unload a mouthful of 18-hour-old mocha all over our Cinema Display and keyboard, you need to keep your ear a little closer to the ground, because you're missing out on comedy gold, people. Faithful viewer John Duffin was the first of many, many people to inform us that the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Indeed, said cat is not only out of the bag, it also ate said bag, which means it's pretty much as out of that particular bag as it gets. Yes, kiddies, ******* **** ** specs have been leaked, and we think you'll judge the source to be pretty reliable as far as these things go: it was Apple. And to think people were laughing over the early publication of the spoiler for the new Harry Potter book, and how the author was ranting how it'll ruin the surprise for all the little kiddies come the big day. :p

Hope people aren't too saddened by this little spoiler, though the author of this fruity little tale is probably as steamed as J.K. Rowling right now. :D

[edit - this tale could only have been written better by a cast of muppet interns]

[JW Pepper]

Please explain how Apple can force this site to remove detail Apple posted to it own PUBLIC web site.

Is America a free country? Over here magazines publish spy photos of new cars with impunity. How is it that there is a different law for Apple?

[nagromme]

Good question.

Maybe Apple asked nicely, no threats, gave their reasons, and this site decided to comply? Every other site still has the info and images, so maybe they declined the request. (Or they're just asleep still!)

In any case, this adds credibility that it's real and not a hack. Apple would ask to have the info removed either way--but along with the request they'd SAY it was false if that was their reason.

(Wow, this site is bogged down!)

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by the future
THAT (OS 11) would be the funniest ad in the history of advertising! What a BRILLIANT idea!

QUICK! TM IT!

anyway - i've put the specs on my local server: http://benlancaster.mine.nu/apple

[solvs]

Originally posted by JW Pepper
Please explain how Apple can force this site to remove detail Apple posted to it own PUBLIC web site.


By threatening a lawsuit. Even if they won't win (or even go to court) Apple can send a form letter asking you to remove information. In this case, the info was public. Not under NDA. But they can still ask nicely.

Dunno. Arn, did you get a form letter?

Hope you can get some sleep this weekend.

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by macmovieman
It shows the air holes from the G4! You can see it better when it's darkened.

oh yeah - well spotted. You should work for the FBI in their X-Files dept ;)

[Black Badger]

Strange, have a look at this..
Go to Apple.com and try to get a non-existant page www.apple.com/g8/, when it comes up with "Page not found" type "G5" (no quotes) into the search box

See what comes up.....

[nagromme]

AI has censored their article.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=117

Too funny. I wonder what the Power ********* ** is?

EDIT: that's weird about the "G5" search. That doesn't happen if you search from the home page. (It says "no matches" but offers a shortcut to the PMG4 page.) Maybe they are in the middle of updating their shortcuts to include the G5.

[evilelvis]

Originally posted by Plastic Chicken
I don't think it's real...

...either a hack or a joke. I prolly think this because apple.com wasn't working for me sometime yesterday. Also, they mentioned the processor being the "PowerPC G5", and we all thought they'd be using the 970, unless they're calling it the G5 for some odd reason.

For that, I gave this rumor a "negative".


Consider how hard it is to post something like that by accident, and not change all the rest of the picts!

It's an internal joke or a hack.

You're right it is so much easier to hack the apple store.:rolleyes:

[Zaid]

Originally posted by Black Badger
Strange, have a look at this..
Go to Apple.com and try to get a non-existant page www.apple.com/g8/, when it comes up with "Page not found" type "G5" (no quotes) into the search box

See what comes up.....
Which is interesting because the string g5 does not occur on the page at all

[Black Badger]

Its odd, I'm still unsure of the legitimacy of the specs but this kind of thing adds a little weight.

[dietsoda]

"The fastest personal computer in the world"

this can't be a hack attack can it? if it was i'm surprised that the apple store is still online.

so surely there can be no doubt.

no more excuses.

no more "well what about the photoshop blur benchmark?"

no more "well you're paying for the user experience"

no more shame, no more humiiation, thank you steve!

[richie]

I can't wait till Monday:

"Pft, that wasn't Steve, his mock turtleneck was charcoal, not black!"

"That wasn't really Panther he was showing, did you see the screen flicker that one time! Then the stream stopped! Obviously a hacker intercepted it and is fooling us!!!11!!oneone"

[RandomDeadHead]

I cant take the wait! 3 days is 3 days too long.
We are in need of 2 new PowerMacs at the office, and dual 2gigs would fit the bill perfectly! Give us Photo8 and I am in heavin!:)

[OSeXy!]

1GHz bus might mean half-processor speed (2GHz/2), or just hype-speak for double-pumped 500MHz (HyperTransport). Either way, I'm not complaining! Bring 'em on!

(Someone at MacBidouille is smiling, too.)


My mistake: just re-read the PPC970 info again on IBM's site. Sounds like it is indeed a true 1GHz 'elastic' bus! Please let this leak be true! Please be in a PowerBook soon!

[beez7777]

someone's fired....

[silvergunuk]

This is a sad day for us all. No longer can we specualte over apples new generation macs. For the past 2 years weve all had fun trying to guess the specs of this new machine. From Motorola to ibms g5 mac its call come too an end and it will be missed....Joke....Let's start speculating on the ppc 980 Specs. Come on guys what do you think? Quad Dual core 5ghz? 2.5 ghz fsb and 64 gigs os NRAM?

Joking aside, dual 2 ghz sounds very impressive but i've heard we wont see em till about 5 weeks after shipping. Don't ask me where I heard this as I have since forgotten which site claimed it. I think macwhispers talked about 1.6, 1.8 and 2 ghz chips shipping to apple a few weeks back, maybe we should believe the powerbook 970 claims.

By the way I came across the pic and it seems to be the closest incarnation what the new machine may look like (bar the ports on the front).

[marcsiry]

There is no way they are going to call the new machines the "PowerMac 970."

Apple has NEVER called a machine by the part number of the chip inside. That would be a foolhardy way to brand your product- using an arbitrary number that a third-party supplier came up with that has no relation to your product line.

The original PowerMacs went through the 601s, 603s, 603e, and 604s without a change in line name- then the G3s came and went without ever being referred to (by Apple) as "the 750s," and finally, just how many versions of the G4 have there been? 7400, 7450, 7447, I can't even keep track of which where real and which were fabricated only in the pages of the rumor press.

To take an about-face- and squander five years of "G" brand name equity- doesn't make any sense at this point (except maybe to a rumors board denizen that sleeps with the IBM specs under their pillow).

Those debunking the image on the basis of the name will have to come up with a more convincing argument, IMO.

[simX]

Originally posted by silvergunuk
By the way I came across the pic and it seems to be the closest incarnation what the new machine may look like (bar the ports on the front).

While that is indeed a stunning rendering of a possible PowerMac G5, I doubt any of it's based in fact. We don't really have any hard evidence of what the PMG5 will look like... we only know what it will "look like" from the inside (which I must say, is mighty nice).

In any case... WOO!

[bignumbers]

Well this was surely an interesting morning read...

The Serial ATA thing surprises me. If true I guess it'll be good in the long run, but for now there are very few Serial ATA drives out there. They're more expensive than ATA/100/133, but not shockingly so.

Addonics makes a bridge board to use existing drives, which is nice. Only $32. I've never used it.

One thing pushed for Serial ATA is extrenal ports, but I didn't see one on the spec list. On one hand it would be strange for Apple to add a THIRD high-speed external interface (especially since they love FW). On the other, SerialATA is a native interface so the external hard drives would (at least in theory) be faster and less expensive than FW800.

Again, if the specs are true I'm pleased Apple isn't moving too fast on the FW800 by eliminating FW400 ports.

I think if this was a hack, we'll see an Apple PR about it today. If they're silent, it'll prove to be real.

[iSegway]

The thing surprises me. If true I guess it'll be good in the long run, but for now there are very few Serial ATA drives out there. They're more expensive than ATA/100/133, but not shockingly so. What is a Serial ATA drive? What is he benefit/difference?

[WinterMute]

If true, (and that's a big if) then the combination of FW800 and an optical audio in/out would be compelling in the pro-audio field, connection to 5.1 surround monitoring via ADAT lightpipe becomes a single cable no PCI experience, all audio break-out could be done via FW to hardware D/A's well beyond the standard 8 in/8 out of the MOTU 828 etc.

24 analog in/out as standard from a single break-out box with 24-bit d/a converters over FW800? can you say hallelujah...

i thought you could.

Multi-channel sound for home theatre isn't all it capable of, with Apple's purchase of Emagic and the persistent rumours of a Logic controller, I could see an Emagic hardware box to cover all the audio and MIDI requirements of a pro system fronted by Logic or ProTools.

It's still a *********g big if IMO.

[makkystyle]

This could prove to be a really good or really bad week, although it's feeling like a really good one already:

Monday: Find out the truth about the new machines and any other surprises

Tuesday: Find out my final year university results (essentially the same as the GPA you graduate with in the states)

Wednesday: Fly home to DC from Ireland for the last time after four years

Thursday: Get to ask for my graduation present!!

Can you guess what I'm asking for? I only hope pricing stays the same.

[m_gerbik]

But I hope this G5 graphic is true because then Apple will be back in the saddle. **** MOTOROLLA!!!! Go back to Cell Phones. [/B] Actually, please don't go back to cell phones... they blow too!

[centauratlas]

Just FYI, ThinkSecret still has the images if you missed them...

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/powermacg5.html

[eric67]

Originally posted by iSegway
What is a Serial ATA drive? What is he benefit/difference?

it is actually the next generation of HD connection. it is just better than the ATA. S-ATA allows a faster transfer, etc...
no seriously it is actually a really good thing that Apple is this new HD format because this is going to replace in a short term all ATA HD, just look at the release of S-ATA HD by Matrox, WB or IBM/Hitachi, they are all coming out now, not older that few weeks old, the specs of S-ATA drives are quite impressive.
The best , go on PC web site to see comparison and test

[Dont Hurt Me]

The specs are terrific, but what does this look like??? is it the all new looking sleek machine with a handles and cheesegrate on top or is it the flattened MDD looking thing?? I hope it isnt the flattened MDD because the MDD was not that impressive looking if you ask me. If it is i would be disappointed with the styling. An all new machine and all they can to is give us a slightly flattened MDD.

[clonenode]

I say it was a controlled leak, to get more buzz going. Notice that no photo was realeased. Why the only specs... because to Apple, it's the looks more than the tech specs. that will set this thing apart. The tech specs are all mostly catch-up to the PC world.

[eric67]

Originally posted by silvergunuk


By the way I came across the pic and it seems to be the closest incarnation what the new machine may look like (bar the ports on the front).

well maybe, but I wonder where is the FW800 and the audio in/ou plug which were supposed to be on the front panel of the coming G5 (according to many rumor sites)
I think it looks more like a picture of one of the possible G5 design.
but maybe actually those plugs are being a little pice of plastic which is invisible on that picture.
actually this picture looks definitely more real than the first one which has been floating around on the web. at least here we can see that there is some designer work behind the enclosure
I can not wait to see it true, except that for us in Europe we will have to stay awake quite late, but for that I think nobody will care so much

[hayesk]

Originally posted by solvs
By threatening a lawsuit. Even if they won't win (or even go to court) Apple can send a form letter asking you to remove information. In this case, the info was public. Not under NDA. But they can still ask nicely.

Actually, could Apple win a lawsuit based reposting of copyrighted information?

I mean, I can't just start my own news site by copying and pasting from CNN every day. Isn't this similar?

Generally, Apple will issue a press release. Once that is done, then it becomes public information.

I could be wrong though.

[iDonkey]

I agree with MacBandit and others that this is more likely a hack than not. Comparing the way the "leaked" spec information is presented against the way the same kind of information is presented for all of the other models on the rest of the site reveals too many inconsistencies in Apple's marketing communication styles and standards.

Others have said that the stylistic differences are minor, but taken as a whole, they seem to point to a poor "counterfeiting" job and very good "hack" job. Why wouldn't the hacker have taken more care to make the fake look more like the real thing? For the same reason so many people on the forums are buying into it -- he/she probably just didn't notice the differences. Obviously, technically competent and daring, but not design savvy.

Some immediate differences:

- Headlines should be black (as in "Powerful features and options" and other headlines in the store), not grey (as in the leaked "The world's fastest...");
- The grey used for the font is a darker shade than the grey font used across the rest of the site;
- The font for the product copy is larger than the font used in product copy for other hardware;
- Use of bullets in product copy (bullets are otherwise only used when describing Quark's features, not any of the other machines anywhere else);
- The ordering of the specs is inconsistent with the priority of features established elsewhere (RAM near the top instead of bottom, USB before FW, etc.);
- No mention of SuperDrive (either Combo Drive or SuperDrive on all models), a major feature, speed upgraded or not;
- The headline is "The world's fastest...", which would have been fine if this was the site's main splash page or in the hardware section, but every other headline for hardware in the store section talks about "features" and "options" since the focus now is configuring your machine, not explaining it;
- The style of writing is slightly different for most of the copy.

I point these differences out as a website copywriter and marketing communications professional. These are things you look out for when writing and designing a page -- consistency with the style (design-wise and tonally) of the rest of the website. It's a major part of the job -- not just listing out the specs for a new machine as a forum poster on a rumors site would. ;)

So, if this does turn out to be an actual screw up and not a hack, I'd fire the guy who leaked it/screwed up, as well as the copywriter and designer who put the description together -- for doing such a sloppy job. (Not really -- I actually feel pretty bad for everyone involved in this fiasco.)

My two cents -- and my attempt at an objective analysis in the midst of all the excitement!

[Panther]

I work on another computer manufacturer's website... and this kind of thing can happen all too easily...

One of the early posts here was a download of the save page together with all of the images. If you look at the images folder, the spec image is step1bullet1powermac.gif. Apple took down that image and replaced it with the original one... which is also called step1bullet1powermac.gif.

Someone checked the file out, replaced it with the new spec image and checked it back in, not knowing that someone else in the team was going to re-push the Store.

It sucks if you're the one that messes up that way, but reusing the same graphic like that is pretty common where I work... I'm amazed this stuff doesn't happen all the time :o

The good news is that means this is what we're getting folks!

The bad news is the same Photoshop dude didn't mess up the PowerBook store at the same time, so I still don't know if I'm going to get the good news I'm looking for :p

[Stella]

Why the bloody hell have 197 people rated this as NEGATIVE?!!!!

They aren't happy with dual 2gig 970 processors?

.. or are they just the PC using slashdot crowd?

[Ayre]

They're the skeptics, as am I. I rated the thread positively, but I still can't shake the feeling that this isn't for real.

However, Apple STILL hasn't mentioned anything about it being "hacked." (To my knowledge, at least.) If they don't say anything, and this all turns out to be faked, Apple could be in some serious ****.

Otherwise, bring on the G5s. ^_^ Par-tay!

[centauratlas]

>look at the bottom of the page under "Architecture" it saysUp to 2GB memory, not the same as the top image of specs.<

That is because it is talking about the current G4 machines not the G5s....in the "Step 1:" image.

[soggywulf]

Originally posted by Stella
Why the bloody hell have 197 people rated this as NEGATIVE?!!!!

They aren't happy with dual 2gig 970 processors?

.. or are they just the PC using slashdot crowd?

Nah...prolly just ppl who don't believe it.

S-ATA, huh? Cool. Maybe this will kick S-ATA HD production into high gear, kinda like the orig iMac did with USB. Funny that Apple can make a difference sometimes, despite the 3% market share.

I wonder how many S-ATA ports it will have.

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by Ayre
They're the skeptics, as am I. I rated the thread positively, but I still can't shake the feeling that this isn't for real.

However, Apple STILL hasn't mentioned anything about it being "hacked." (To my knowledge, at least.) If they don't say anything, and this all turns out to be faked, Apple could be in some serious ****.

Otherwise, bring on the G5s. ^_^ Par-tay!
Apple isn't going to say anything about getting hacked. If they say that now, then the stock will drop. Maybe not like a rock, but it will fall, since everybody thinks "awesome powermacs", and then it turns out that those weren't the real specs? BAD for the stock price.

In fact, if this was a hack, I can see little way of Apple recuperating from the stock fall after Monday. Because if they can't live up to this, they're screwed. If you can live up to this, then that's the only way the stock price won't drop like a rock. The last thing they need is to announce they were hacked and the specs are bull, then watch the stock sink today, then announce lackluster PowerMacs, and watch the stock sink further.

[greenstork]

The reason this is not a hack is because if these specs were not true, Apple would be bending over backwards not to disappoint people at the keynote. They would announce very very quickly that their system was hacked and misinformation was reported on their website.

Think about it, suppose the computers only go up to 1.6 or 1.8, with a 400MHz Bus. I don't think this is likely but for the sake of argument, let's say this was the case. Everyone thinks that these stats on their website represent what is to come on Monday. Under this scenario, EVERYONE would be disappointed, it would be a total letdown and that is tha last thing they want to do on Monday. If these stats are not true, they would denying them left and right today.

Whether it was an accident or purposeful is the only question I have left to answer. I'd probably lean towards purposeful if we don't hear about someone getting canned and telling his story after WWDC.

edit: I strongly diasagree with the previous post. The absolute LAST thing Apple wants to do is set people up to be disappointed on Monday. If it was a hack and the specs were false, they would fall on that grenade today to keep the vibes as positive as possible on Monday. By your argument (that I don't really agree with) the stock will fall either way, be it today or Monday. Apple would definitely not want to take away from the excitement of the keynote by waiting until Monday to disappoint investors.

I personally don't think the stock will be affected by new computers being 1.8 GHz instead of 2.0 GHz or a 800 MHz FSB vs a 1 GHz Bus

edit 2: I agree that it could be a hack but only if indeed these specs are true.

[mkaake]

arn, would it be fair of me to assume at this point that out of repsect for you and apple we shouldnt' re-post the info or pics now?

matt

[centauratlas]

>could Apple win a lawsuit based reposting of copyrighted information?<

There are lots of issues here:
1. Posting the *image* would be a copyright violation, BUT then you have to consider fair use in which case it could be ok.
2. Information (or facts) itself can't be copyrighted. For example, I can copyright something "President Bush owns a plaid polyester jacket but it may never leave his closet." That exact phrasing and wording can be protected by copyright. However the *fact* that he owns a plaid polysester jacket or that it is in his closet can not be. So someone else could write "Pres Bush has a plaid polyester jacket that he keeps in his closet" without violating my copyright. Also, someone else could write the 1st sentence as long as they didn't copy me doing it - for example, two reporters could write the same sentence and as long as neither copied the other, they could have the same words.

So for here, MacOSR could report the pertinant facts without violating Apple's copyright, but re-posting the image *could* do so.

There are other issues involved here besides copyright, by the way, but that is a very brief, non-thorough explanation of it.

[-hh]

Originally posted by TheOne
This will be one of the biggest 3-4 days for me in a long time to come... Apple "acidently" releases the specs early on Thursday/Friday depending on your time zone. Then on Saturday Year 5 of Harry Potter! Saturday/Sunday, reading Harry Potter Year 5. Then on monday WWDC Keynote, then my Graduation Party! Finally on Tuesday I order my G5 :D

If it was a purposeful "accidental" leak, the timing couldn't be better than the wee early hours of Thursday Night/Friday AM:

FRIDAY:

- the news media still has their "weekday guys" on duty when the rumor hits.

- they only have one business day to run around like madmen to write up the "news". Wild speculation & rumors abound.

- Some of Harry Potter's news momentum is replaced with Apple "Growlings" (afterall, that is what a big mean cat does!)

- Apple HQ only has to stonewall any formal responses for a single business day.

- the weekday news guys who weren't planning on attending the WWDC spend Friday afternoon convincing their bosses that the potential news is BIG and that they need to go.


SATURDAY:

- these news guys hop on Saturday flights

- lots of MacCommunity percolation of impact. The newsguys start to write their "color" background for Monday's story.

- Bill Gates has second sleepless night


SUNDAY:

- MacFaithful start to line up for Monday

- Newsguys note this in their copy; submit story/photo's. More free press.

- Steve is cornered by someone & makes cryptic comment and/or a teaser appears on Apple Website.


MONDAY:

- Lots of excitement on the floor.

- Some serious ticket scalping going on prior to keynote. Newsguys make more notes for Tuesday's copy.

- Whatever the full news is, is. Expect Steve to try to make a clever "cat" joke.


TUESDAY:

- The first real full news stories hit. Articles are given ~4x the space than it would have otherwise been without Friday's boo-boo.

- Investor discussions/speculation on Apple-Microsoft OS battles are reinvigorated.


WEDNESDAY:

- Report on how quickly it took Apple to completely sell out prepositioned inventory (I'll say 2.0 hours). Is compared in the news media to the feeding frenzy of major Rock Music concert sales events.


THURSDAY:

- First full reviews, including independent benchmarks.

- We learn that Apple's internal Codeword for the project was: "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon".



FRIDAY:

- inappropriate complaints on how Apple underestimated customer demand begin. :D


-hh

[fpnc]

People have rated this article negative because they believe that the specs are fake.

I'm certain that they are untrue also. It was either a hack of the web site __or__ an internal Apple prank that went horribly wrong (i.e. someone was playing a little "joke" but they never expected the file to get posted).

As far as what Apple can do about this, they are damned if they do and damned it they don't. So, I expect they will try to ignore this as best as they can and just let it play out until Monday's WWDC. The only reason they would make an official comment about this "leak" before then is if they are forced to by the SEC or some other government agency.

The speculation that this was done purposely by Apple is just crazy. Since such information could affect their stock price I think they could be liable for damages (stock goes up or down, someone sues).

[tYNS]

Originally posted by iDonkey
I agree with MacBandit and others that this is more likely a hack than not. Comparing the way the "leaked" spec information is presented against the way the same kind of information is presented for all of the other models on the rest of the site reveals too many inconsistencies in Apple's marketing communication styles and standards.

I must agree... This is a HAck ..

The BIGGEST clue is the fact they spelt POWER MAC incorrectly.

It is spelt as PowerMac G4 ... Not Power Mac G4 ... (missing the space)..

Another thing. If they put all that effort into redoing the apparent G5 spec list why did they not rename the Header graphic as "Choose your Power Mac G5"

where did the "Step One" go?

I think whoever did this was in a rush.. and ended up missing key elements to make it truly real. hyphens beside the points? apple never does this..

But the PowerMac missing a space between the name is the key validator to this scam.

[iLilana]

Hi this post is directed at Steve Jobs because I know he's reading them.

I have heard of your heavy handed nature when it comes to things like this little accident. We've all come to three general conclusions.

A) You did this to test the water/make us drool.

B) Apple site was hacked.

C) It happened because of software and web people made a significant but human error.

Now if 'C' is true I would hope that you go easy on the people involved. Sure they get paid WAY more than I do to do things and more is expected from them but they are people who work damn hard for you. Yes they work for YOU. They all treat you as a rockstar (both good and bad traites) so please be kind to them. No one should be losing a job over this and we will all buy your stuff anyway.

Thanks

[yzedf]

Originally posted by iDonkey
I agree with MacBandit and others that this is more likely a hack than not. Comparing the way the "leaked" spec information is presented against the way the same kind of information is presented for all of the other models on the rest of the site reveals too many inconsistencies in Apple's marketing communication styles and standards.

Others have said that the stylistic differences are minor, but taken as a whole, they seem to point to a poor "counterfeiting" job and very good "hack" job. Why wouldn't the hacker have taken more care to make the fake look more like the real thing? For the same reason so many people on the forums are buying into it -- he/she probably just didn't notice the differences. Obviously, technically competent and daring, but not design savvy.

Some immediate differences:

- Headlines should be black (as in "Powerful features and options" and other headlines in the store), not grey (as in the leaked "The world's fastest...");
- The grey used for the font is a darker shade than the grey font used across the rest of the site;
- The font for the product copy is larger than the font used in product copy for other hardware;
- Use of bullets in product copy (bullets are otherwise only used when describing Quark's features, not any of the other machines anywhere else);
- The ordering of the specs is inconsistent with the priority of features established elsewhere (RAM near the top instead of bottom, USB before FW, etc.);
- No mention of SuperDrive (either Combo Drive or SuperDrive on all models), a major feature, speed upgraded or not;
- The headline is "The world's fastest...", which would have been fine if this was the site's main splash page or in the hardware section, but every other headline for hardware in the store section talks about "features" and "options" since the focus now is configuring your machine, not explaining it;
- The style of writing is slightly different for most of the copy.

I point these differences out as a website copywriter and marketing communications professional. These are things you look out for when writing and designing a page -- consistency with the style (design-wise and tonally) of the rest of the website. It's a major part of the job -- not just listing out the specs for a new machine as a forum poster on a rumors site would. ;)

So, if this does turn out to be an actual screw up and not a hack, I'd fire the guy who leaked it/screwed up, as well as the copywriter and designer who put the description together -- for doing such a sloppy job. (Not really -- I actually feel pretty bad for everyone involved in this fiasco.)

My two cents -- and my attempt at an objective analysis in the midst of all the excitement!
Might be a hack after all...

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26340

Not too many mainstream people will notice / care... so it could end up being no big deal.

[moosecat]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
Apple isn't going to say anything about getting hacked. If they say that now, then the stock will drop. Maybe not like a rock, but it will fall, since everybody thinks "awesome powermacs", and then it turns out that those weren't the real specs? BAD for the stock price.

That's exactly why someone suggested they would be in trouble if they don't disclose that this is a hack. Companies can't just willy-nilly decide to withhold things from the investing public because it would be bad for the stock price to disclose it. In fact, often they MUST disclose things BECAUSE it will be bad for the stock price. A little organization called the Securities and Exchange Commission believes very strongly in this idea.

Whether they are under a specific legal obligation to correct this "error" (assuming for the moment it is a hack) is not immediately clear to me, but plaintiffs' lawyers would give it the old college try, I'm sure. If you put erroneous information into the market that is material (i.e., affects the stock price), then you'd better correct it. Stockholders don't care if it was Steve Jobs or Joe Apple Schmoe who hacked it.

[scem0]

If I was to hack into the apple site, which (to my understanding) would be very hard to do. I wouldn't change one little thing like that and then leave.

I think that was a ginuine apple mistake. :)

At least I hope it was. Lord knows they make a lot of them.

http://www.my-smileys.de/signs/cdcb35acd7902df97d2eb5e6c320263b.png

[greenstork]

Originally posted by moosecat
If you put erroneous information into the market that is material (i.e., affects the stock price), then you'd better correct it. Stockholders don't care if it was Steve Jobs or Joe Apple Schmoe who hacked it.

Yet another reason why these specs are likely true, hack or no hack.

[ant_s]

Originally posted by tYNS
I must agree... This is a HAck ..

The BIGGEST clue is the fact they spelt POWER MAC incorrectly.

It is spelt as PowerMac G4 ... Not Power Mac G4 ... (missing the space)..


Take a look atthe Apple UK Store (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore/) here - they spell it Power Mac G4.

No, I didn't realise that until today, either :)


Let's hope these specs are true, even if only in part...

Monday will let us know

[bokdol]

why i believe it is not a hack. which is the same reason that most have given before hand. if it was a hack. people at apple would have to have said something to that fact. being that it afected there market share. but on thing i noticed is that thorugh out the site some changes have been made. it's like they were doing minor updates and they put in the wrong jpeg or gif. i noticed that the buttons in the choose your shool section of edu part was different then what i remembered. and this was after the "mistake". so i think they were just puting up replacement gif for buttons and someone sliped 2 extra in....

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by marcsiry
Apple has NEVER called a machine by the part number of the chip inside.

While I agree that it's unlikely to bear the 970 moniker as part of the product name, let's not forget the SE/30. :)

[paulypants]

Working in a marketing environment...it is sometimes common practice for a
company to purposely leak it's own product info prior to release in order to generate more interest before the actual announcement of the product is made publicly. Creating a frenzied discussion and heightened buzz days before the actual announcement has proven to equate to more sales directly after the release of the product, while also helping to gain the momentum of the product for the media response
--just a thought;)

[richard5mith]

To the people who think this was a hack (which I don't think it was), may I ask why?

Is it because the specs are not good enough, better than you expected or because you don't believe 970's are coming on Monday?

Just curious.

[bokdol]

Originally posted by ant_s
Take a look atthe Apple UK Store (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore/) here - they spell it Power Mac G4.

No, I didn't realise that until today, either :)


Let's hope these specs are true, even if only in part...

Monday will let us know



plese note that the powerbook is spelled PowerBook....no space
there is no step 1 wording in choose your powerbook G4 and it is all green type.

actually all the other products have the green type and no step 1. so that "hack" or mistake, i believe was real.

they were just updating the site to match the rest of the site....

[Frobozz]

I will cede that this _could_ have been a hack, but I _highly_ doubt it.

Fact 1: Akamai --
That image is served by Akamai, which has to receive images ahead of time. I know this because I'm a web designer and work next to the main guy who deals with Akamai at my work. That lead time can be significant, because the changes need to propogate to several servers.

Fact 2: Web Design Practices --
Even if this isn't the final graphic, that doesn't make it a hoax. The specs could be wrong, or even just misspelled, but hear me out. Every web designer works on production machines before pushing "live." The process of pushing live is almost always done by a human. If a production graphic which hadn't gone through QA or had simply been in-progress got pushed live, they would roll-back to a know state that they did not have a problem. That would explain why the whole store went offline for a short while, while they rolled back.

It's not a hoax, unless it's a fantastic one. It's simply a mistake. It could mean the specs are correct, but perhaps a mix up here and there. It could also be the web designer just put in bogus specs, as filler, to test the visual layout. That graphic got accidentally sent to Akamai.

[bokdol]

Originally posted by ant_s
Take a look atthe Apple UK Store (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore/) here - they spell it Power Mac G4.

No, I didn't realise that until today, either :)


Let's hope these specs are true, even if only in part...

Monday will let us know



plese note that the powerbook is spelled PowerBook....no space
there is noe step 1 wording in choose your powerbook G4 and it is all green type.

actually all the other products have the green type and no step 1. so that "hack" or mistake, i believe was real

[DarthMoridin]

Originally posted by tYNS
I must agree... This is a HAck ..

The BIGGEST clue is the fact they spelt POWER MAC incorrectly.

It is spelt as PowerMac G4 ... Not Power Mac G4 ... (missing the space)..

Another thing. If they put all that effort into redoing the apparent G5 spec list why did they not rename the Header graphic as "Choose your Power Mac G5"

where did the "Step One" go?

I think whoever did this was in a rush.. and ended up missing key elements to make it truly real. hyphens beside the points? apple never does this..

But the PowerMac missing a space between the name is the key validator to this scam.

Go check out the Apple store. There is no Step One. Anywhere.

Also, "PowerMac" is how it's spelled on the G4 desktop page. In green. That graphic wasn't changed.

Could be a hoax, but not because of these reasons.

edited 11:44am PST to fix a typo

[FlamDrag]

If I were going to hack the apple store and have some fun with the rumor mongers, I would have done darn near everything on that page - selection buttons, prices, the whole nine yards.

To me, this just looks like a simple workflow SNAFU. I expect these machines to be real.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Does anyone know what the real machine looks like????? The squatty MDD looks like crap in my opinion. Please tell me thats not it. Yea the specs are jamming but if they are going to continue with that same MDD look that will suck!

[pgwalsh]

1.6,1.8, 2.0 wow... good stuff


Is the 1 Ghz processor bus, just for the processor or is it the system bus?

I wonder what speed the 8GB of RAM will be.. Will these be Dual Channel DDR and at what speed?

Fast Serial ATA will these be fast 7400 RPM drives or Fast 10,000 RPM drives?

PCI or PCI-X slots.. are PCI-X backwards compatible or will you have to make that choice before your purchase?

Optical and Analog is finally here.. I wonder if they're going to include a surround sound? That would be easy to do with Optical out.

[iriejedi]

On Yahoo News - MacCentral section - here is the full article!
This may be old news to a few but I spent all moring trying to get the low down - I hope this helps others - right now I'm seeing which account will provide the funds to buy!

Iriejedi!

Technology - MacCentral
Apple reportedly posts G5 specs on Web site
Fri Jun 20, 2:44 AM ET

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By Jim Dalrymple MacCentral

For a brief time on Thursday night, Apple Computer Inc. reportedly posted information on its Web site detailing the company's next generation computer, known as the G5. While the information has since been removed, the company wasn't quick enough as Mac enthusiasts and Web sites across the Web captured images of the pages.

_

The specs posted to the company's Web site list the G5 as being available in three speeds: 1.6GHz, 1.8GHz and a dual 2GHz with up to a 1GHz processor bus; up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM; Fast Serial ATA hard drives; AGP 8X Pro graphics options from Nvidia or ATI; three PCI or PCI-X expansion slots; three USB 2.0 ports; one FireWire 800 and two FireWire 400 ports; and optical and analog audio in and out.


The machines will reportedly also be Bluetooth and AirPort Extreme ready when they ship to consumers.


A new desktop machine based on IBM's 970 processor was anticipated during company CEO Steve Jobs (news - web sites)' opening keynote of Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference. The conference opens Monday June 23 with Jobs addressing developers and press at 10:00 am.


Originally slated for May 19-23, 2003 in San Jose, the conference was moved to June 23-27 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco in order to provide developers with a more complete preview release of Panther, the next major release of Mac OS X (news - web sites).


Contacted by MacCentral, Apple had no comment.

[QuiteSure]

A hack? Be serious.

For the first time in known memory, someone succeeded in violating Apple's secure webserver and making changes to their content.

Why now? Why this? If you were able to hack Apple's website, wouldn't you want to accomplish something more significant than just getting a bunch of macnuts to go crazy? This hacking comes with federal criminal penalties; wouldn't you want to at least figure out a few ways to make some money from this activity before the FBI carted you away?

So, either some internet genius has breached a high level of security to commit a serious federal crime ...

or somebody screwed up.

A brilliant criminal ...

or simple human error.

I can't wait to see these great new boxes!

[edgar_is_good]

So we all know that Steve is a master of spin. These specs are not too far out of what's been going through the rumor mill lately, so suppose they're true. Apple "accidentally" puts them up, long enough to get them noticed. We're all in a frenzy talking about them, we can't talk about anything else but whether this is real. Then on Monday _boom_, this is just a small piece of the announcement.

It would be like - to steal from people earlier reference Nigel - we're all jamming on the rumors with our expectations at ten, and where can we go? Steve will take is to eleven.

THAT would be exciting.

Now I have no idea what's coming (devices? software?) but I bet it's better than just this.

[iDonkey]

Originally posted by Frobozz
I will cede that this _could_ have been a hack, but I _highly_ doubt it.

Fact 2: Web Design Practices --
Even if this isn't the final graphic, that doesn't make it a hoax. The specs could be wrong, or even just misspelled, but hear me out. Every web designer works on production machines before pushing "live." The process of pushing live is almost always done by a human. If a production graphic which hadn't gone through QA or had simply been in-progress got pushed live, they would roll-back to a know state that they did not have a problem. That would explain why the whole store went offline for a short while, while they rolled back.

It's not a hoax, unless it's a fantastic one. It's simply a mistake. It could mean the specs are correct, but perhaps a mix up here and there. It could also be the web designer just put in bogus specs, as filler, to test the visual layout. That graphic got accidentally sent to Akamai.

This is the best explanation I've seen for it not being a "hack," but also points to the possibility that the specs are, in fact, wrong. If it is just a rough mock-up for the web guy/gal to test the visual layout, it's very off style-wise from the rest of the site (wrong color for headline font, wrong color for body copy font, wrong size for body copy font, wrong messaging for a store headline -- almost everything is inconsistent with the style employed across the rest of the store). So, if he/she got all that wrong, it's easy to think he/she got the rest wrong, as well, i.e., the features, and, possibly just threw in features as place-holders, as you suggested.

But then, do they really have someone that careless working on such an essential page for their big, new product? Or maybe the poor guy's just really tired from updating all those pages for all the new product announcements Apple's been gearing up for. Who's behind it all? A poor, overworked schlub with zero design sense and an itchy trigger finger for pushing the graphic live? Or a daring hacker dude stirring things up to get us all in a tizzy? Or... something else? I suppose another possibility is that it was hacked by someone who knew the actual specs, but failed to adequately duplicate Apple's marketing communications style.

The reason those "leaked" specs seem authentic is because a) they were on the Apple site and b) we want them to be. But that graphic was also the only thing inconsistent, stylistically, with the entire Apple site -- the only one! -- which still makes it very very very suspect and unreliable in my book.

[iriejedi]

True or not - just the thought of a 1 gig Bus is WAY MORE EXCITING than the release of the new Harry Potter book!

:cool:

[avus]

... Or I can almost hear Steve yelling at IBM people today, "One of our SOB ********** posted the ********** spec last night, we need a new show stopper this Monday, give us 2.5GHz chips by then, I don't ********** care you people will not eat or sleep for next 3 days, we ********** need them RIGHT NOW D*** IT!"

[job]

http://www.elroyonline.net/misc/apple/apple.html

:D :D

[MorganX]

And I was just funnin' when I suggested Apple should jump on PCI-X early and trump Wintel.

One plus of being small, you can shift gears a lot faster.

[MacSlut]

THE CASE IN FAVOR OF IT BEING A HACK:

The font is definitely different as is the format.

The font used in the leak is Lucida Grande at 10pt. The font Apple uses for the PowerMac G4, the iMac and the eMac are all Myriad at 10pt.

As a quick hack, it's conceivable that someone didn't know what the right font was, so they just made something that looked good...perhaps better. It's easy to believe something isn't forged if it looks better than the original.

The text also isn't bolded and faded consistently with the other graphics for the PowerMac G4, iMac and eMac. Again, as a quick hack job, trying to match the fade and bolding would be very difficult, so instead of trying to match the fade and bolding it would be easier to just make it look good. It really should be noted that it is very inconsistent with the page and other pages. The first line should be bold and the subsequent lines should be faded...or if it was text, it should be plain. The text in the graphic matches nothing.

More telling is that the graphic is a different size. Given the space of where the graphic is located, it's understandable that the graphic could be a different size, but here's the problem. The current graphics for the PowerMac G4, the iMac and the eMac are all 229x190 while the leaked/hacked graphic is 266x176.

This could be done by someone grabbing the graphic, altering it and then selecting just the area needed. I can understand making the graphic wider to accommodate the width of the processor line, but then why make the graphic shorter? This especially doesn't make sense that there would be room for extra lines...lines that include things like SuperDrive and cache information. Additional suspicion is raised by the fact that the leaked graphic is cropped exactly to the limits of the text, while the other graphics in the template are of the fixed size leaving lots of white space.

Wasn't Apple recently having DNS problems? I recall the site was down recently...could be related to a hack.

Also, the image is being served by Akami. This means that someone may have been able to have swapped this particular image, but none of the other HTML.

Shouldn't the PCI slots be listed as "Three PCI/PCI-X slots" or just "PCI-X" slots. It's like listing "USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 ports"?

In addition to not mentioning SuperDrive and cache, shouldn't they have listed "Up to X Fast Serial ATA hard drives"?

If it was just a mistakenly posted graphic, why did they shut the site down instead of just replacing the graphic?

INCONCLUSIVE:
8GB of DDR SDRAM. This seems low, but it could be based on the amount of RAM currently available to fill the slots. Apple has done this both ways before...listed the max amount currently available and listed the max amount allowed by machine. It seems to me like they would list the max amount allowed by machine, and then footnote it somewhere that it requires modules not yet available and Panther, etc...

While the hyphens don't fit with the template of this page or others, they are used as bullet points in some new graphics...see QuarkXPress 6 at http://Store.Apple.Com

THE CASE IN FAVOR OF IT BEING REAL:
It's possible some new person/intern was asked to create graphics and didn't really know what they were doing in terms of designing to Apple's templates or guidelines and then accidentally made the graphic live.

It's also possible that the information is real, but it was leaked intentionally by someone at Apple or a hacker. Likewise the information could be incorrect but it was mistakenly uploaded...in other words a designer was working on a new design and made up the specs and then accidentally uploaded the image.

Self-confession... I was working on a major Website (one of the top-tens). One day, I accidentally accessed an old script used for updating the site from the staging to the live server. The problem is that the script pulled from an archived version of the staging server that was like 6 months old. I realized the version was wrong, but through a weird combination of keystrokes, I ended up activating the script in such a way to replace the entire site! Believe me, that was a very fun call to the system administrator that night.

So ya, a single image being incorrectly updated...I could see that happening, but that's just me.

CONCLUSION:
I'm still working hard on this case. I'm taking the weekend off and will post a definitive conclusion on Monday;)

[zimv20]

it's possible there are real specs, but not for the next round of machines. maybe they're working on graphics _that_ far ahead.

[deputy_doofy]

Now, someone may have touched on this, but I don't feel like reading all 10 pages of posts.
IIRC, Intel is unveiling their 3.2Ghz P4 on Monday as well. I tend to think the G5 running rampant on the Friday before will overshadow anything Intel now has to say.
I hope the G5 thing is true. Doesn't really matter to me yet as I cannot afford a new machine yet anyway. By the time I can, though, lookout! I'll have a Wintel killer yet. :)

[frozenstar]

I, for one, think the specs are real.

Imagine a Dual 2GHz PPC970 with 1GHz FSB, piped into a dual-channel memory controller with 4GB of DDR400 on each channel. Then throw in a Radeon 9800 and a 120GB 7200RPM S-ATA hard drive. And of course, HyperTransport ties it all together. Then imagine running a 64-bit optimized OS on top of it. NO legacy components. Thing thing is going to fly.

I'd love to see Steve bring out the old Intel snail advertisement at WWDC.

[jelloshotsrule]

pipe dream perhaps?

is pci-x backwards compatible with pci cards?

i'd ask the same about s-ata but i saw someone said that you can get a go between bridge for like 30 bucks...

[dswoodley]

Assuming real hardware is coming from WWDC, what time will the AppleStore go down for the real updates? Doesn't this usually start several hours before the announcement?

[mangoduck]

Go check out the Apple store. There is no Step One. Anywhere.

wait, we already knew there was no step three, and now this. that only leaves us with step 2. could this be the missing piece of the puzzle for world domination??

step 1: steal underpants
step 2: customize your mac
step 3: profit!

and actually, there is a step one when selecting powermac g4s. at least there is now.

[jettredmont]

Let me be the first to say this sucks. I mean, no PowerBooks! No 2.5GHz 970s! I bet they aren't even going to be shipping the 2.0GHz ones for a few weeks! And they're so ugly Apple won't dare leak a photo of the machines on their website!

:)

I also must say that I'd often argued that the half-CPU-frequency bus thing was a misunderstanding ... I guess I was wrong on that one though! This makes speed-bumping harder in theory, but it's nice to get a 1GHz FSB right out of the gates!

And PCI-X, and S-ATA (which might not offer much in terms of performance but sure makes case internals more tidy and keeps air flowing throughout making cooling an easier thing ...) ... I love it, and hope this is what we'll see come Monday!

New hardware, new software ... this is going to be a jam-packed keynote (and I'm going to be there!)

[moss84]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
pipe dream perhaps?

is pci-x backwards compatible with pci cards?

i'd ask the same about s-ata but i saw someone said that you can get a go between bridge for like 30 bucks...

PCI-X cards can fit and function in standard PCI slots and PCI cards can be installed in PCI-X slots

[bankshot]

Originally posted by clonenode
I say it was a controlled leak, to get more buzz going. Notice that no photo was realeased. Why the only specs... because to Apple, it's the looks more than the tech specs. that will set this thing apart. The tech specs are all mostly catch-up to the PC world.

I disagree. If they wanted an intentional leak, they would have posted the photo, not the specs. It would have gotten people all gushing in anticipation and excitement, but still not knowing what was in the darn things. EVERYONE would tune in Monday, completely attentive to find out what kind of machines these really were.

As it is, now we all know. So it'll look a little different from the current towers, but big deal. I'm sure it'll look good, and I'm curious, but I already know what it has inside. Some people may just casually read news to confirm that these are indeed the specs, but not pay nearly so much attention to the whole keynote (remember, they want to talk a lot about Panther, and possibly other new products they have up their sleeves). It denies Steve the awesome power of his "And one more thing..." Everyone will be thinking "Yeah yeah, we know, just show us what it looks like and let us out of here so we can go play with them." If they had leaked only the picture instead, then everyone would be waiting in rapt attention to find out just what these babies can do.

It's kind of the opposite of the iMac. If the specs of that had been leaked early, but no photos, it would have been no big deal. People would have said, "well yeah, that makes sense, they're finally putting a G4 in it." Everyone would have assumed it would be like what the eMac is (didn't exist at that point). People would have been blown away seeing it for the first time at the Stevenote. But instead Time Canada screwed up and really pissed off Steve.

I just feel bad for the web techie (and possibly manager?? there's an open req on jobs.apple.com for this) who got fired over this.

[Bunzi2k4]

hmmm... i think this is something true... but yea... i would have figured that apple would have put a picture instead of the specs... but then again.. woah.... a dual 2 gighertz!!!!!! can't wait for the pb's to get like that... By the way... a few days ago (i think tuesday), i went to www.macmall.com and went to the accelerator section, and there was a link that said 2ghz accelerators, but there was nothing in the link. so i think these are real, unless someone decided to hack macmall and everywhere else... they are off now so don't bother checking it.