International iTunes Music Store - October?

[Ugg]

http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?Biz=mu&Nnr=135692&NL=MAtarget=_blank

The above is in German, a rough translation follows:

Apple wants to make its iTunes Music Store accessible to its European users in October. Stated by Bart Cools, managing director of EMI Switzerland, according to a report by m4music Newsletter at a Symposium of the Swiss Music Branch of EMI. musikwoche.de has heard from the best informed circles that the US Computer Maker (Apple) would have its shop ready shortly, from a meeting of the top EMI Managers in Barcelona. Apple therefore could have its shop ready for the Christmas season with a strong European wide marketing effort for the new iPods, the iTunes software and store, and naturally also the introduction of iTunes for Windows.

[DeusOmnis]

That would be nice.

[MacRumors]

MediaBiz.de (http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?Biz=mu&Nnr=135692&NL=MA) reports on the upcoming International iTunes Music Store:


Apple plans to make its Music Store available in Europe in October. This was explained by Bart Cools, Managing Director of EMI Switzerland in a story by the actual m4music-newsletter at a meeting (Symposium) of the swiss music branch.


Previous reports (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/05/20030512023031.shtml) have indicated significant interest in launching the international iTunes Music Store -- but no specific timeframe had previously been predicted.

[Rower_CPU]

Good to see a stated time frame. :)

It'll also be a good test for scaling up to iTMS for Windows.

[Cuckoo]

I sure hope that's for real. Been waiting since the launch in the US.

[Flowbee]

Hopefully this will stop the 'international' complaining in every iTMS thread. :p

[Mr.Hey]

You guys/gals never sleep...keep up the good work.

[hokka]

What about Oz [Australia]? or other countries?

[PowerBook User]

Originally posted by Mr.Hey
You guys/gals never sleep...keep up the good work.
I agree. I'm impressed on how quickly new Apple news gets to this site!:)

[nickmcghie]

The title of this topic is misleading. It claims to talk about an "International iTunes Music Store" that is coming soon; however, the article is clearly talking about an European iTunes Music Store. So the article should be retitled to "European iTunes Music Store" coming soon, because it looks like those of us here in Asia will still have to wait for a while!

[maradong]

I m really waiting for it s dispo here in Luxembourg, there are no really good cd resellers. Well, certainly they got some amount of cd s but not really differenciated music.
The Music Store is my opport. to get in somekind exactly what I want. Thought I will probably only dl full albs.

[Zaid]

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

That is all, thank you

[Sabenth]

Well if its outside of america its international dosnt matter if its in europe asia russia or the south pole if its happening its great news....


Bring on the pay as you listne cards i tell you...

[Trimix]

by the end of the year i will be in the poorhouse

in july new G5 and 23' display AND i-pod, and from October on a continuous drain on my credit card for all the songs i have already earmarked ... but i will sleep happily under a bridge :)

[Windowlicker]

good news. now if they only got some european err.. indie labels onboard.. like Good Looking, Compost, Defunked etc :) there's too little electronic music by now. if they got all the new drum & bass and nu-jazz/downtempo releases there, they'd have a potential customer here.. I don't have a credit card though (and can't get one for a long time).

[Pudi]

Finally the old world is getting connected to new technologies... could imagine, that they will choose Switzerland as a Test Market for Europe...

[cb911]

i guess that it would be good if Europe got the iTMS... but then that would make things look like us folk over here would be waiting a while...:(

[Thom_Edwards]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
good news. now if they only got some european err.. indie labels onboard.. like Good Looking, Compost, Defunked etc :) there's too little electronic music by now. if they got all the new drum & bass and nu-jazz/downtempo releases there, they'd have a potential customer here.. I don't have a credit card though (and can't get one for a long time).

i'm with you on this one. thing is, most of the stuff i listen to has less than 3% market share... i'm in the states so i can buy stuff at the store, but most of the music i would buy is not on there. i'm still waiting for the happy mondays to get a spot on there. bob's yer uncle!

i'm not complaining here, just stating my position.

[Stella]

It will be good when it comes, but no doubt, the prices will be hiked, especially for a European Premuim, and the Extra Special UK Price Premuim.


I wonder if October will also bring the Windows ITMS?

[jethroted]

Hey! What about Canada? We are right bloody here! :mad:

[Freg3000]

I had randomly said this is the MacRumors IRC Channel, but I'll throw it out there again.

[I am looking for the link-I originally saw it on Yahoo]

Basically it just says that the EU has ruled in some case that does not allow Amazon to use its 1-Click service in Europe. I am not exactly sure what it means, but to me that means Apple won't be able to include 1-Click purchasing in the European/International iTMS.

[Windowlicker]

Originally posted by Thom_Edwards
i'm with you on this one. thing is, most of the stuff i listen to has less than 3% market share... i'm in the states so i can buy stuff at the store, but most of the music i would buy is not on there. i'm still waiting for the happy mondays to get a spot on there. bob's yer uncle!

i'm not complaining here, just stating my position.

As I think of it, it could be only good for the labels if they put their 12" releases to iTMS.. because now mostly only DJs buy vinyls. If the singles were in iTMS, you could get them there and wouldn't need to buy a turntable before you could even play the vinyls. Well, I already bought one (deck that is), but I guess I could sell it if the stuff was already available at iTMS.
I think people downloading the stuff from kazaa etc don't really do much harm to the small labels because those people wouldn't buy the 12's anyway.
So my point is, there would be absolutely nothing to lose for these small organisations that (imho) put out the best music in the world (after Mozart & fellaz) :)

[Windowlicker]

Originally posted by Freg3000
I had randomly said this is the MacRumors IRC Channel, but I'll throw it out there again.

[I am looking for the link-I originally saw it on Yahoo]

Basically it just says that the EU has ruled in some case that does not allow Amazon to use its 1-Click service in Europe. I am not exactly sure what it means, but to me that means Apple won't be able to include 1-Click purchasing in the European/International iTMS.

I don't have any information on that one, but it sounds plain stupid. :P hope apple can solve this problem if it excists.

[Ugg]

Originally posted by Freg3000
Basically it just says that the EU has ruled in some case that does not allow Amazon to use its 1-Click service in Europe. I am not exactly sure what it means, but to me that means Apple won't be able to include 1-Click purchasing in the European/International iTMS.

I don't think it's a matter of allowing them to use it, as it is in use in Europe right now. It's more a matter of not being allowed to patent it. Amazon.de uses it and I'm sure that Apple will too. I wonder if Amazon still can exert control over it outside the US?

[rabatjoie]

nice.... and what's gonna be the price? 99 eurocents would be a little more than 99 cents US... or does that depend on the deal apple makes with the european music distributors?

[rabatjoie]

Originally posted by Windowlicker
As I think of it, it could be only good for the labels if they put their 12" releases to iTMS.. because now mostly only DJs buy vinyls. If the singles were in iTMS, you could get them there and wouldn't need to buy a turntable before you could even play the vinyls. Well, I already bought one (deck that is), but I guess I could sell it if the stuff was already available at iTMS.


exactly. i think full-analog music combined with the full-digital approach of the itunes store would be perfect... it's only those in-between media like CD/MD/other crap that suck. i'm a vinyl collector myself, but for some songs i am not really willing to buy the whole album... furthermore, i am undecided whether it would be good for the indie labels to be on iTMS.... i mean, obscurity and all that is part of the program somehow :cool:

[Vonnie]

Originally posted by Freg3000
I had randomly said this is the MacRumors IRC Channel, but I'll throw it out there again.

[I am looking for the link-I originally saw it on Yahoo]

Basically it just says that the EU has ruled in some case that does not allow Amazon to use its 1-Click service in Europe. I am not exactly sure what it means, but to me that means Apple won't be able to include 1-Click purchasing in the European/International iTMS.

No, Amazon can't patent 1 click. (I mean, nice idea, but it doesn't deserve a patent..) Amazon, Apple, and pretty much everybody can use it though.

[vanmonkey]

Originally posted by jethroted
Hey! What about Canada? We are right bloody here! :mad:

I mean damn fellas, we're right next-door!

[druggedonions]

Great news. ITMS in Europe and new G5s come Monday I will have to warn my Bank Manager that my overdraft will be going up.

May I suggest a poll on wheather any other single company gets as much of your hard earned cash? ( Excluding the Inland Revenue :p )

Cheers

[vanillamike]

Originally posted by vanmonkey
I mean damn fellas, we're right next-door!

I hear that!!! I can't see why it is taking so long to get this thing north of the border. I am still encoding my CDs to AAC to go on my new iPod but soon I will be looking to buy more.

Mike

[Skull Leader]

All this talk of Europe...and they haven't even made it available in Toronto (Southern Ontario) yet. Over 4 and a half million people just north of New York...but let's send it across oceans first.:mad: :confused: :rolleyes: :mad: :(

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by jethroted
Hey! What about Canada? We are right bloody here! :mad:

u got a point there, though...

maybe the "market" is bigger in europe?

[Skull Leader]

Yeah, let's translate it into twleve languages and be able to accept who knows how many currencies besides the Euro on the other side of the Atlantic....'cos that would make much more business sense than making it available to, say, 20 Million English speaking Canadians who may already have iPods and perhaps even US dollar credit cards!:rolleyes:

[elo]

Hey Canadians,

It's the negotiations and legal work that takes time. Apple has to do all of this from scratch for each new set of laws. If iTMS comes to Europe first, it's because the legal work was finished there first. It's definitely not a conspiracy, and in this case not even a marketing decision.

elo

[Fonz]

Originally posted by Vonnie
No, Amazon can't patent 1 click. (I mean, nice idea, but it doesn't deserve a patent..) Amazon, Apple, and pretty much everybody can use it though.

Amazingly it already has a patent in the US (5,960,411) and Apple licenced this 'technology' in 2000. This won't happen in europe because EU law means that this sort of software patent is not possible (you can't patent a buisiness practice)

What might be complex in europe is the new law that requires sales tax on all internet services regardles of where the service is based this tax varies between member states which will either vary the price or apple's profit between EU Countries.

[Ugg]

Originally posted by Fonz
What might be complex in europe is the new law that requires sales tax on all internet services regardles of where the service is based this tax varies between member states which will either vary the price or apple's profit between EU Countries.

I doubt Apple will sacrifice profit. I'm sure that it will be tied to a person's home address or the billing address on their bank account.

As far as the Canadian launch of iTunes, I'm sure that it will happen before the European launch. Earlier, in another post a Canadian poster mentioned that music is actually less expensive in Canada than in the US and the Canadian content laws may have something to do with the delay.

[X-Baz]

Originally posted by Freg3000
Basically it just says that the EU has ruled in some case that does not allow Amazon to use its 1-Click service in Europe. I am not exactly sure what it means, but to me that means Apple won't be able to include 1-Click purchasing in the European/International iTMS.

In the UK you are (were?) not allowed to electronically hold a credit card number for longer than the duration of the transaction. Which effectively rules out one-click ordering. But, having said that, amazon.co.uk uses one-click, so either the law's changed, amazon have found a loophole or they're just breaking the law.

[Buggy]

re: canada
This cost thing has been hashed out in another thread. But I suspect that our lower costs in metropolitan areas (where most of our citizens live) does not put us (canadians) on the front burner. More profit opportunities may lay in other countries first.

re: we are right next door.
So what, geography doesn't really count on the internet. I am closer to Apple's Headquarters then NewYork. This doesn't mean that I should get access before the east coast.

But congrats on the music execs for starting to realize that there are new ways that the music industry is going to have to adopt in a modern world. And congrats to Apple for creating such a <<<<searching for positive adjective>>>> ....well such an "Apple" way of accessing music.

[Trimix]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Buggy
[B]re: canada
This cost thing has been hashed out in another thread. But I suspect that our lower costs in metropolitan areas (where most of our citizens live) does not put us (canadians) on the front burner. More profit opportunities may lay in other countries first.

Spot on - 20 million Canadians compared to 250 million Europeans - Where if you were SJ would you put your focus first ?
I would even agree if he put the MS crowd before the Apple faithfuls. :)

[SiliconAddict]

This coupled with the release of itunes for Windows should do a good job of locking up the online music sales game. (No one has anying equal but you can bet that there are copycats *cough* Microsoft *cough* who will be out there soon enough.
Apple has left too many holes open right now (e.g. US only, Mac only.) allowing others to jump in and possibly eat a large chunk of this emerging market.
Also it’s good to see Apple diversifying its product line further reducing its dependency on its computer hardware\software line of products to keep it afloat.