Safari 1.0

[MacRumors]

Apple released (http://www.apple.com/safari/) Safari 1.0 Today.

The final version of Apple's Web Browser provides the following new features:


- Safari is Mac OS X default browser
- AutoTab loads folders quickly
- Sync your bookmarks with iSync
- Available in all Mac OS X languages
- More AppleScripts available
- Increased standards compatibility

[macomposer]

The new Safari seems (so far) to be indistinguishable from the most recent beta. No problems or obvious improvements as of yet.

While I am here, a big shout out to the MacRumors & Chaosmint folks for doing such a nice job with keynote coverage today. Well done, folks.

[neilg]

They fixed my internet banking. IE is gone, gone forever :p

[dialectro]

According to MacFixit, it still has compatability problems, especially with some banking sites...
Hopefully there will be a quick update.

[markiv810]

What version number is it. Is it version 85 they have released. Thanks.

[Java]

No more IE. Apple, you rock! Soon I'll be Microsoft free.

[Laslo Panaflex]

No more bug icon, thats a big difference if you ask me, a real big one.

[jimthorn]

Originally posted by markiv810
What version number is it. Is it version 85 they have released. Thanks.

Yes. 1.0 (v85).

[markiv810]

Thanks guys. Now if I can save 400 dollars more, I can buy the new G5.

[mnkeybsness]

Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
No more bug icon, thats a big difference if you ask me, a real big one.

the bug icon is still there on mine

View>Bug

[davy the bunny]

Anyone know if it supports overflow:auto yet?

[bluedalmatian]

Its hardly available in 'all OS X languages' OS X Cocoa apps can support 53 languages. Safari is availabe for Steve Jobs favourite 14.

[Keith Purfield]

They fixed the font problems (they were always smaller), and they fixed the Google Image Search bug, from what I can see.

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
the bug icon is still there on mine

View>Bug
Yep. Looks like they made the default view not to include the bug icon...to make this release of Safari appear perfect. Though I'm happy, IE is staying in my Apps folder for some time to come!!

[MrMacMan]

Oh well I had v85 3 days ago, so I'm not 'upgrading' :o
:p

[GregGomer]

Wells Fargon online banking now works, I'm so happy, Internet Explorer has left the DOCK

[rhunter007]

My fonts on Safari seem totally different. It seems like they changed the default font.

Also, on my iBook 500 MHz, Safari seems to run significantly slower than it did before I upgraded to the 1.0.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

[Rower_CPU]

Apple switched their font resolution to the standard 96ppi from the old Mac 76ppi.

The fonts are now more similar in size to those in other browsers. :)

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
No more bug icon, thats a big difference if you ask me, a real big one.

yes there is.

[e-coli]

Originally posted by Keith Purfield
They fixed the font problems (they were always smaller), and they fixed the Google Image Search bug, from what I can see.

I now have the font problem. Never had it before v 1.0. :rolleyes:

[yatyk]

Hmmmmm.......Still not gold in my book. Since the first Safari was released I have not been able to use it behind my corporate firewall (Stock Apache Proxy).

Too bad. Love the browser, but is unusable for me. :(

Anyone else with the same problem?

[fabsgwu]

when working in tabs and loading more than one page, if there was an error in another tab, the page behind used to come to the front, now it just displays a (!).

Overall seems to be running/loading faster for me
>>800 MHz G4, 768Mb RAM<<

[Laslo Panaflex]

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
the bug icon is still there on mine

View>Bug

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
yes there is.

Ok, well, its not there by default, at least it wasn't on my install. Sorry I wasn't clear enough, also I was being really sarcastic when I said real big difference. I know its hard to come across as sarcastic in text on screen. Anyway, can't wait for August and my new dual 2gig g5.

Peas,

[Delta-9]

Originally posted by e-coli
I now have the font problem. Never had it before v 1.0. :rolleyes:


They changed the default font from "Lucida Grande 14" to "Times 16" (i think)

If you don't like the new font, change it back to "Lucida Grande 14pt"

[concrete]

Originally posted by davy the bunny
Anyone know if it supports overflow:auto yet?


It finaly does :-))
our site is now fully safari proof
http://www.concrete.be

[mactastic]

Still doesn't work with my bank. :( Still have to keep IE around. Phooey.

[transistor]

I would really love Safari if it weren't for this problem.
When I open a new tab from a link (control-click), the new tab has ENORMOUS fonts, so huge that it is impossible to read the page.
After clearing the cache and reloading the page 3 or 4 times makes it right.
This is very annoying, I'm sticking to Mozilla.

[Juventuz]

I'm still having problems with a lot of java on some sites. So far I really haven't noticed a difference between the beta version and 1.0.

Camino is definitely staying in my dock.

[maxtrax]

some things seem better, but most seems the same or worse even... I cannot totally rid of IE yet either...

[Landshark]

Too bad htaccess is still all screwed up even worse then before i still have to use Camino... pfffffffttttt .. come on apple all of us here want to switch but we can't....

[MacFan25]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Apple switched their font resolution to the standard 96ppi from the old Mac 76ppi.

The fonts are now more similar in size to those in other browsers. :)
Yeah, at first I was wondering why the font on macrumors looked bigger, but then I thought it was probably the new safari. i c. :)

[Phazer80s]

The 1.0 version of Safari still contains a bug that has no business being in a 'gold' Apple release. A page on Apple's own site renders nonsense text!

The guilty culprit: the Shake user story about WETA Digital's work on LotR. (http://www.apple.com/ca/shake/stories/lotr/) Below is a screenshot of the distorted text.

The nonsense text also appears in some installation preables (EULAs, etc) as well as in some files in the Help Viewer. The Help files for my Lexmark printer and Epson scanner are completely useless! :mad:

Maybe it's not Safari, after all. If anyone knows how to correct the problem, please pass it on.

[russ55]

I just wonder why Safari does not allow one to have the option of NOT underling a web page's hyperlinks!!!

The browser is great, but if Apple would just add this little feature!

[Rower_CPU]

Phazer80s-
Not true. Check your text encoding (View>Text Encoding>).

[prewwii]

Originally posted by macomposer
The new Safari seems (so far) to be indistinguishable from the most recent beta. ........snip.......

No Safari version yet has been able to run animation on Weather.com. Safari is the only browser I have that can not perform this task.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

The first time I used the latest release of Safari it crashed my whole system. Has any one else had that experience?

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by prewwii
No Safari version yet has been able to run animation on Weather.com. Safari is the only browser I have that can not perform this task.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

The first time I used the latest release of Safari it crashed my whole system. Has any one else had that experience?

I'd say it's most definitely the fault of the JS client sniffing going on on their pages. I had to do some seriously finagling to get the W3C HTML validation to even look at their code.

Safari handles valid HTML and JS just fine. People need to stop blaming the browsers when sites don't work.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by prewwii
No Safari version yet has been able to run animation on Weather.com. Safari is the only browser I have that can not perform this task.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

The first time I used the latest release of Safari it crashed my whole system. Has any one else had that experience?

Weather.com doesn't work for me either. Safar hasn't crashed on me I think ever. Just a side note if you want accurate weather use www.Accuweather.com or www.wunderground.com . The weather channel is terrible. If you want your weather from the horses mouth though use NOAA they're the main distributors of the information that everyone else reinterprets. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/

[Mineral]

I love Apple, but Safari sucks.

Inline frames still don't show up properly, animated gifs don't display properly... I mean, come on.. how ****ing hard is that?

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Mineral
I love Apple, but Safari sucks.

Inline frames still don't show up properly, animated gifs don't display properly... I mean, come on.. how ****ing hard is that?

Point us to some examples to see what you're talking about.

PS. Frames are the Devil.

[AppleMatt]

They fixed my number one problem with every version upto v80:

If you clicked a link to open in a new tab while a page was loading, the page would stop loading. It's gone! I can whiz around the internet like a chimp on speed again!

:D Happy AppleMatt :D

For people noticing the font 'problem', this was done on purpose to bring Safari in line with standards. We discussed this on the v80 thread, then realised how silly it was to install v80 on Jaguar :roll:, I posted the standard v74 font sizes and styles:

- Standard Font: Lucida Grande 14
- Fixed-width Font: Courier 14

However if I were you I'd leave it, you soon don't notice it and it makes Safari more 'compliant' (don't tear that apart I know its a poor use of the word)

People who didn't install v80 will probably notice the 'missing image' icon aswell as a few other improvements.

AppleMatt

[jihad the movie]

Hell Yeah! The new Safari Font system blows! I don't know if anybody here besides me uses www.friendster.com at all, but I, and most of my friends do. This site uses a standard font... before, Safari was cool with the fonts on this site, now, all of a sudden, half the fonts are 16 and the rest are 9 and blurred together. the only way to change this is to magnify the page, which makes using the website so much more difficult to use. I miss the old version of Safari.

[VIREBEL661]

Prefs didn't work for me in the beta... They work 100% now! Is it me, or is Apple working their *sses off this year? Just a thought!

[VIREBEL661]

Originally posted by Phazer80s
The 1.0 version of Safari still contains a bug that has no business being in a 'gold' Apple release. A page on Apple's own site renders nonsense text!

The guilty culprit: the Shake user story about WETA Digital's work on LotR. (http://www.apple.com/ca/shake/stories/lotr/) Below is a screenshot of the distorted text.

The nonsense text also appears in some installation preables (EULAs, etc) as well as in some files in the Help Viewer. The Help files for my Lexmark printer and Epson scanner are completely useless! :mad:

Maybe it's not Safari, after all. If anyone knows how to correct the problem, please pass it on.

Works fine on mine....Weird..

[Delta-9]

Originally posted by Juventuz
I'm still having problems with a lot of java on some sites.

v85 created a problem with Java on my fantasysports.yahoo.com "stat tracker" program. I downloaded the "developer version of java 1.4.1" from the apple developer website and it solved the problem.

Try that out and see if it helps. I love safari again, now.

[Phazer80s]

I went through the entire list of Text Encodings, and the 'nonsense text' remained. So I dug a little further...

I checked out Dave Hyatt's weblog and read that the default Standard font on Safari is now Times 16. I switched the pref from Lucida Grande to Times, and the nonsense text appeared in the font preview field. No matter what version of Times I chose, the nonsense text remained in the in the font preview field. This seems to happen for any font--- only the font at the top of the list is selectable. I selected Times Regular and left Preferences.

Going back to Preferences to select the Standard font, the font list revealed that Times Phonetic Alternate was now the default. :confused:

For whatever reason, it seems my system as an affinity for Times Phonetic Alternate when Times is specified. I bet this remains true for any software that uses Times (the EULAs, Help files, Shake user story, etc. I mentioned earler)

Seems it's time to check the Knowledge Base. Suggestions still welcome.

[michaelrjohnson]

Safari USED to work just fine for me, now it doesn't work for crap. Out of all my bookmarks, it will only load Apple.com and Weather.com. All the others used to work in Safari just fine. It's quicker than previous versions, yes, but i only want to see the specs of the new g5 so many times. Anybody know where i can get beta 2 from???

I was hoping hundereds of people were experiencing the same thing so apple would put out a patch right away, but i guess i just need to downgrade!:mad: :mad:

[Abdesai]

The full version of Safari is not working properly on my comupter. I cannot connect to macrumors.com or cnn.com. I couldn't connect to Apple's "Hot News" with any version of Safari. I have an iMac DV 400 running 10.2.6. Does anyone else have this problem?

[Trent Hare]

Trouble with script output and Cache/Cookies

Anybody else having trouble with cached script output which makes navigation through Webmin about impossible?

Seems to "hard cache" the output and just wont let it GO!!

[neilg]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I had to do some seriously finagling to get the W3C HTML validation to even look at their code.


Finagling is an excellent word.

[sligoo]

Does the Safari work well with The Vanguard Group mutual fund people?

[sligoo]

Does SAFARI work with Vanguard Brokerage transactions?

[kb2003]

Originally posted by jihad the movie
I don't know if anybody here besides me uses www.friendster.com at all, but I, and most of my friends do. This site uses a standard font... before, Safari was cool with the fonts on this site, now, all of a sudden, half the fonts are 16 and the rest are 9 and blurred together. the only way to change this is to magnify the page, which makes using the website so much more difficult to use.

I've been having the font problem on Friendster.com also, as well as a few other sites where the font size is reduced such that font smoothing doesn't apply. Even for most regular sites I have to enlarge the text, so I had to change my perfect default Arial 12 to Arial 14 and it's just so big and gaudy now. Anybody have any idea what's up?

[michaelrjohnson]

Originally posted by Abdesai
The full version of Safari is not working properly on my comupter. I cannot connect to macrumors.com or cnn.com. I couldn't connect to Apple's "Hot News" with any version of Safari. I have an iMac DV 400 running 10.2.6. Does anyone else have this problem?

EXACTLY!!!!! what do we do???

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by michaelrjohnson
EXACTLY!!!!! what do we do???

My first guess would be to use the 'Reset Safari' option under the Safari menu.

[michaelrjohnson]

Originally posted by MacBandit
My first guess would be to use the 'Reset Safari' option under the Safari menu.

I tried that, then restarted. No go.

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by michaelrjohnson
I tried that, then restarted. No go.

Follow the instructions on www.macfixit.com.

AppleMatt

[michaelrjohnson]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Follow the instructions on www.macfixit.com.

AppleMatt

Thank you so much... I'll try that when I get home!

[visor]

Originally posted by prewwii
No Safari version yet has been able to run animation on Weather.com. Safari is the only browser I have that can not perform this task.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

The first time I used the latest release of Safari it crashed my whole system. Has any one else had that experience?

the 'gold' version is a major step backwards for me. A lot of sites have safari crashing now, esp. if a java applet is on it. it's also a great deal slower on some sites, grafics won't load quite often. very very bugeous - the previous version was much more stable, even if some things didn't quite work as they should.

[kirk26]

Originally posted by visor
the 'gold' version is a major step backwards for me. A lot of sites have safari crashing now, esp. if a java applet is on it. it's also a great deal slower on some sites, grafics won't load quite often. very very bugeous - the previous version was much more stable, even if some things didn't quite work as they should.

Is there a specific place on weather.com that you're getting an error? I'm going to as many pages I can and am not getting any errors whatsoever. Cnn works here too.

[Abdesai]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Follow the instructions on www.macfixit.com.

AppleMatt

I followed the instruction on the MacFixit site. It still doesn't work right. I am using camino to write this post because Safari won't load MacRumors.

[James.Paul]

Is anyone having any problems with U2.com. I can't get the timeline to work in Safari. Any suggestions?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Abdesai
I followed the instruction on the MacFixit site. It still doesn't work right. I am using camino to write this post because Safari won't load MacRumors.

Okay then my next step would be to do a search for safari and delete all the results relating to the browser. Then reinstall safari run a permissions repair and try it.

[bcsimac]

Safari 1.0 works fine for me most of the time. It still has problems with Java on some web sites. Empty Cache crashed it so I now delete cache manually which seems to work ok. I basically stick to using Netscape 7 for Java on must sites that use Java a lot. I did do a file permissions repair as I always do after every update and program installation. I find that prevents a lot of problems. Safari is definitely fast and for the most part I like it.

Most of my banking sites work ok except for Compass Bank which worked fine with v.64 and v.74. I can get Compass Bank to work by choosing Windows MS IE 6.0 as the UserAgent. I can do that because I have Safari Enhancer installed.

I will keep IE for a while though for some specific sites. I have all the browsers available for Mac OS X installed anyway and use them all from time to time so it really doesn't matter. I am also using Mozilla Firebird a lot too. I think though that IE will be used a lot less than it was used before.

I just wish I could get my sweetie to use Safari. She keeps insisting on using IE because she says everything works with IE and because it is standard. I know she doesn't understand because her attitude is as long as it works and I know what it is for who cares. She used Macs in school, but they all used IE as their browser. Her mom's computer is a Dell or Gateway so it obviously uses IE.

[MacBandit]

The best thing about Safari 1.0 is that when I chose 'Check Spelling as you Type' it stays on even after you restart the computer.

On a side note it has crashed a couple times on me so it isn't as stable as the beta builds. That's kind of funny actually. All in all it still works a thousand times better then IE. I like Camino also but I just like the Safari interface better personally.

[MacNab]

Originally posted by Mineral
I love Apple, but Safari sucks.

Inline frames still don't show up properly, animated gifs don't display properly... I mean, come on.. how ****ing hard is that?


Did you report the animated gifs issue - tiling background gifs do not animate and if you repeat a gif animation on the page only one animates

I posted about it at apple discussions - phew - not a popular request
http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@214.VdXvae0acEO.4@.5997ffdf/28

I do not know if it is a bug or if it is intentional but it frustrates me -
I just wish apple would say which it is

[MacNab]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rower_CPU
[B]Point us to some examples to see what you're talking about.


I first spotted it at http://www.playdamage.org/43.html
I posted about it at
http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@214.VdXvae0acEO.4@.5997ffdf/28

There were other posts there as well
http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@214.VdXvae0acEO.4@.59983416/0

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@214.yd6VagxCcnI.552027@.4aab0798/1

Regards

MacNab