Panther 7B44 Client, Xcode and Upcoming iApp Updates

[MacRumors]

Apple continues their speedy development on Panther and provided developers with another seed -- Panther 7B44.

Per usual, this seed provides few details on specific improvements, but reportedly includes changes to Filevault's file structure.

Unrelated to Panther seeds, but of more interest to most users is reports that a couple of iApps will be seeing upgrades in the next few weeks... with updates to iSync and iCal to versions 1.2 and 1.5, respectively.

iSync was recently updated to version 1.1 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030603085959.shtml) in early June. The 1.1 upgrade added more phone suppport and Bookmark syncing.

iCal, however, remains at a 1.0.2 version number, and has not seen significant updates since its release.

Current Panther builds contain early versions of iCal 1.5, which contains significant improvements in performance, calender event scheduling and user interface.

[DanUk2003]

I can't WAIT to get my hands on a copy of Panther when it ships....

(and a two-button bluetooth Apple wireless keyboard / mouse too.... :D )

[MacManDan]

I'm glad to hear some development on iCal and iSync ... maybe iSync will finally support my LG phone over USB? That would be nice! Mmmm and a faster iCal .. I'd be very disappointed if iCal wasn't 100 times faster than in its current form..

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by MacManDan
Mmmm and a faster iCal .. I'd be very disappointed if iCal wasn't 100 times faster than in its current form..

Good point. I couldn't remember anything wrong will iCal until you mentioned that. Now that I think about it, double clicking is really slow. Also, there is a bug when you double click on a date to enter something, it opens up a text block in the next day. Very frustrating.

[Powerbook G5]

I cannot wait to get a new PowerBook and upgrade to Panther, this is going to be soooooooooo sweet!

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by MacManDan
Mmmm and a faster iCal .. I'd be very disappointed if iCal wasn't 100 times faster than in its current form..

Hopefully it will see the same speed increase as it did from version 1.0 to 1.0.1/2.

[pivo6]

I'm hoping that iSync will keep adding more phones. I'd rather not have to buy a PDA if I can help it.

[BillyShears]

Originally posted by DanUk2003
I can't WAIT to get my hands on a copy of Panther when it ships....

(and a two-button bluetooth Apple wireless keyboard / mouse too.... :D )

I'd prefer at least 78 or so "buttons" on my keyboard ;)

[Puppies]

It would be nice if they add better Palm support to iCal too. Palm desktop for Mac stinks, to put it mildly, but iCal dosen't support memos.

[tjp144]

Panther Build 7B44 ROCKS and is nearing completion. I have tested builds since they have started and all I can say is wow. The Finder is VASTLY improved and is about 60% faster than 10.2. I have run into one problem so far while testing 7B44 and that's iChatAV video problem. Every build I have tested of Panther has not returned ANY video via iChat. Apps like Evocam and ohphone seem to send video fine.

cheers,
tim

[tizza]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I cannot wait to get a new PowerBook and upgrade to Panther, this is going to be soooooooooo sweet!
Oh yes - they are my two selfish desires in life at the moment!

[rickey939]

Originally posted by tjp144
Panther Build 7B44 ROCKS and is nearing completion. I have tested builds since they have started and all I can say is wow. The Finder is VASTLY improved and is about 60% faster than 10.2. I have run into one problem so far while testing 7B44 and that's iChatAV video problem. Every build I have tested of Panther has not returned ANY video via iChat. Apps like Evocam and ohphone seem to send video fine.

cheers,
tim

Trash delete bug fixed (the icon will update in the dock)??

Internet sharing via Ethernet to Airport equipped computers work?

[tjp144]

The Trash delete bud is fixed thank goodness... and the intersharing is aslo. Well it's doing what it's supposed to.

[AppleMatt]

I was only browsing these forums when Jag was in beta testing, did more frequent builds indicate it was nearing release or is it irrelevant?

Good news about the iApps. The Panther ones are good, nice to see the development is heading Jags way too. 10.2.7 contains a .5 release of Safari, which has solved all my crashing bugs thank god.

iCal has developed significantly in Panther, I mean the amount at which Mail has developed. The drawer in is very cool, so this new version should impress people not familiar with Panther builds.

AppleMatt

[achmafooma]

Yay on the iSync and iCal updates! I love iCal but it's still a little pokey as far as speed... as far as iSync, why isn't the Motorola v.120 supported!?

It's a popular phone! I have the USB cable and can use it as a wireless modem on my iBook when I need it, but iSync won't work with it.

[cnladd]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
iCal has developed significantly in Panther, I mean the amount at which Mail has developed. The drawer in is very cool, so this new version should impress people not familiar with Panther builds.

Could you give more details? Of all the apps, I've been wanting both Mail and iCal to be updated the most. I've been very happy with the updates that Mail has received so far (I'm only on 7B21), but have been very disappointed that Apple has seemed to ignore iCal.

Other than speed and general responsiveness, my three biggest complaints are: you can't have alarms set on for new appointments as a default, but must manually turn them on; the task list is as basic as it gets -- I'd like to see increased functionality there; lack of integration with Microsoft Exchange (especially via Mail.app when interfacing with Outlook users.)

[sososowhat]

warning: rant :)
Digital photos are the #1 use I've got for my Mac - and iPhoto dies (crawls, anyway) at about 2000-3000 pics. There's gotta be a better implementation. I'm not the only guy out there with a digital camera. More and more, people are going to have 10,000+ photos (I do now), and while my old Nikon 990 photos were 300k each (XGA, fine JPG) the ones from my newer 10D are over 2Meg.

I've seen lengthy and convoluted articles about how to use iPhoto library manager and DVD archives of pictures to obtain performance, but that's pretty lame. Anyway, I don't have a Superdrive.

Apple: Pleeze!

One thing about the iApps is that they discourage 3rd party people from investing in credible alternaties. Apple, if you're going to be the only photo management game in town, you need to fix it so my 1Ghz MDD, 1.75G RAM can handle my photo collection.

btw, if any of you know of a really great alternative for storing, viewing, organizing my photos I'd be delighted. On windoze I was using fototime's app, which was great, but I've deep-six'd the dark side, so now I'm stuck.

edit: ps: Anyone tried iPhoto under Panther? Is it better??

[rickey939]

Originally posted by tjp144
The Trash delete bud is fixed thank goodness... and the intersharing is aslo. Well it's doing what it's supposed to.

Sweet moses! Thanks man...what else is new?

[Stella]

Excellent that the iApps are about to be updated.

iCal: there is absolutely no reason why it should be as slow as it is.

I would use it more, but its quite painful to use. I hope the performance increase is significant.

[rvlaha]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
Good point. I couldn't remember anything wrong will iCal until you mentioned that. Now that I think about it, double clicking is really slow. Also, there is a bug when you double click on a date to enter something, it opens up a text block in the next day. Very frustrating.

It opens on the next day sometimes because of the following: If you have your preferences set for your day to end at 6pm and you double click on a calendar day AFTER 6 pm, it will jump to the next day.

Solution: change your preferences to reflect a 24-hour day.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by rvlaha
It opens on the next day sometimes because of the following: If you have your preferences set for your day to end at 6pm and you double click on a calendar day AFTER 6 pm, it will jump to the next day.

Solution: change your preferences to reflect a 24-hour day.

Ill give it a shot, thanks.

[NavyIntel007]

iCal should be able to do events that go from 10 PM to 1AM. There's no reason why we can't have wrap around events. I'm using Entourage now. I like having it all in one place.

[nuckinfutz]

One thing about the iApps is that they discourage 3rd party people from investing in credible alternaties. Apple, if you're going to be the only photo management game in town, you need to fix it so my 1Ghz MDD, 1.75G RAM can handle my photo collection.

btw, if any of you know of a really great alternative for storing, viewing, organizing my photos I'd be delighted. On windoze I was using fototime's app, which was great, but I've deep-six'd the dark side, so now I'm stuck.

Try

http://www.iview-multimedia.com/

Iview Media Pro. Much faster more features of course for the $$$$

http://www.canto.com/

Canto Cumulus- Been around forever

www.extensis.com

Portfolio competitor to Cumulus

I think as a Photographer you're best bet may be with Iview Media Pro. Check out the Trial.

[Stella]

Does / will Xcode have code insight?

Code Insight - where the IDE will display all attributes and Methods for a given class for example, upon typing "myObject." it will list all attributes and methods?

Since using code insight for years and years in Delphi and Java I cannot live without it!

Fortunately, xcode will have code completion also.. :-)

[Dobber]

Anyone know if iSync will add support for syncing to .Mac through a http-proxy-based firewall?

With both iSync and Backup lacking this feature, .Mac is severely hampered for my use.

[jhershauer]

Originally posted by sososowhat

btw, if any of you know of a really great alternative for storing, viewing, organizing my photos I'd be delighted. On windoze I was using fototime's app, which was great, but I've deep-six'd the dark side, so now I'm stuck.


If you stick with iPhoto, check out iPhoto Library Manager by Brian Webster (you can find it on VersionTracker.com). It's a simple, intuitive app that I stuck in my Dock in place of the iPhoto icon. You launch it, pick the iPhoto library you want to use, then click a button to launch iPhoto with that library. Whenever your current library gets up to 650 MB (1 CD worth), just create a new one.

BTW, this is one of many cool tips I got from O'Reilly's Mac OS X Hacks book.

[evilfunkgenius]

Not sure if anyone else receieved this (but someone must have, because it is full not even 12 hours from receiving it). I think this speaks very highly to the possibliity of new iSync (and possibly iApp in general) versions coming out very soon, probably before Sept. 9th.

"At 6 p.m. PST on Sept. 9 members of the iSync product team will be online for an exclusive live session with .Mac members who want to expand their iSync knowledge beyond the basics. Got questions about how the technology works? Interested in hearing about the latest phones you can sync with your Mac? This is your chance to hear directly from the people who work on the product. You'll have the opportunity to submit questions beforehand and during the online session.

Participation will be strictly limited to ensure a quality experience, so if you have a broadband connection (required) and want to join in, use the button below to sign up now. We're looking forward to a lively, interesting, and informative session."

[Collapse]

Has anybody tryed, if QuickTime now is able to use the MPEG2-Importer?

At least the B21-version wouldn't enable MPEG2-editing, though it showed and installed the MPEG2-6.1-update through softwareupdate corrrectly after I installed the extension. It just wouldn't recognise the VOB or MPEG files...

[robbieduncan]

Originally posted by Stella
Does / will Xcode have code insight?

Code Insight - where the IDE will display all attributes and Methods for a given class for example, upon typing "myObject." it will list all attributes and methods?

Since using code insight for years and years in Delphi and Java I cannot live without it!

Fortunately, xcode will have code completion also.. :-)

My copy of XCode already does this. Of course as I use it for Obj-C you type [myobject and then wait a little bit and it pops up a list of the messages you can send. When you choose one it populates the arguements with placeholders that tell you the expected types. I might post some screen shots when I get home (on a Win 2k PC at the moment :()

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by cnladd
Could you give more details? Of all the apps, I've been wanting both Mail and iCal to be updated the most. I've been very happy with the updates that Mail has received so far (I'm only on 7B21), but have been very disappointed that Apple has seemed to ignore iCal.

Other than speed and general responsiveness, my three biggest complaints are: you can't have alarms set on for new appointments as a default, but must manually turn them on; the task list is as basic as it gets -- I'd like to see increased functionality there; lack of integration with Microsoft Exchange (especially via Mail.app when interfacing with Outlook users.)

Agreed with the first and second complaints, I never need the third so can't really comment.

As for everyones compaints about speed, I completely agree. Calander software isn't exactly the most intensive of software there is, there's definately something up. Although it's faster in Panther to be honest I'm not overly impressed. My only guess is they were pressured to release it on a deadline, and that the Panther version is still beta.

I've only just installed 7B39, and iCal isn't working. I'll extract it from the pkg's tonight. What do you want to know :)

AppleMatt

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius
Not sure if anyone else receieved this (but someone must have, because it is full not even 12 hours from receiving it).

That sounds really interesting. What did you receive that through?
**runs off to check mail**

AppleMatt

[Stella]

Whoo hoo!!!!

Thanks for the reply.

Originally posted by robbieduncan
My copy of XCode already does this. Of course as I use it for Obj-C you type [myobject and then wait a little bit and it pops up a list of the messages you can send. When you choose one it populates the arguements with placeholders that tell you the expected types. I might post some screen shots when I get home (on a Win 2k PC at the moment :()

[CaptainScarlet]

Originally posted by tjp144
Panther Build 7B44 ROCKS and is nearing completion. I have tested builds since they have started and all I can say is wow. The Finder is VASTLY improved and is about 60% faster than 10.2. I have run into one problem so far while testing 7B44 and that's iChatAV video problem. Every build I have tested of Panther has not returned ANY video via iChat. Apps like Evocam and ohphone seem to send video fine.

cheers,
tim


Hey!!!

I had problems with Illustrator, Indesign also photoshop with the last build...Any improvments?!!?!?!?!? I thought the last build rocked too!!!

[Juventuz]

Has anyone noticed a problem with Dreamweaver with the last few builds? It seems to quit anytime I click on the insert pic button.

[evilfunkgenius]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
That sounds really interesting. What did you receive that through?
**runs off to check mail**

The email about the iSync class on the 9th of September came in an email with the subject line: ".Mac Connection: August 21, 2003" from "Apple Computer <support@mac.com>". Not sure where I got signed up for it, but I always thought it was something that auto-sent to all .Mac subscribers.

I wouldn't get too excited, as it looks like it is completely full. What I think IS exciting, is the renewed interest in the application and furthermore, the correlation to this thread about new updaed iApps. I am guessing that if they are holding a "class" about iSync, then maybe there are some substantial new features that need explaining.

Also, something that I forgot to include, it has a line in the form about "To get the most of the Focus On: iSync session, participants should be familiar with the basic features of iSync. If you're just starting to use iSync, be sure to check out the iSync related tutorials in the .Mac Learning Center to get started."

Here is the URL: http://www.mac.com/1/focuson/isync.html

[cnladd]

Originally posted by sososowhat
btw, if any of you know of a really great alternative for storing, viewing, organizing my photos I'd be delighted. On windoze I was using fototime's app, which was great, but I've deep-six'd the dark side, so now I'm stuck.


I'm not overly fond of iPhoto, just because I'm not able to organize my photos in a way that makes sense to me.

Take a look at "photo", by Alex King, over at http://www.alexking.org/software/photos/. It's a PHP/MySQL solution, but it's not difficult to get those up and running on a system. It can be a bit of a hassle for some users, but I've found this program to be excellent.

Handles many more photos than iPhoto, has a decent interface, and is quick. The only downside is that it doesn't have the rudimentary editing features of iPhoto, nor does it have the display features (such as slideshows, etc.)

[gopy]

Originally posted by achmafooma
... as far as iSync, why isn't the Motorola v.120 supported!?

It's a popular phone! I have the USB cable and can use it as a wireless modem on my iBook when I need it, but iSync won't work with it.

That really annoys me, too, especially 'cuz I'm pretty sure that the 120 uses SyncML (I have an 'e').
Is there anything in the Panther release notes re: iSync and phone support?
-tom

[NeoMayhem]

Screenshots and info here:

http://mtswitch.net/

http://www.mtswitch.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=55&st=0&#entry289

:P

[FredAkbar]

Thanks NeoMayhem!

[richard5mith]

Upgrade over previous seed gives me a lower case "a" key that doesn't work. Yet every other key, including capital "A", works fine.

WEIRD!

[Boris Presley]

Look for an application conflct. I noticed lowercase-c responding oddly after installing 7B44. Something told me to quit CopyPaste (which played nicely with previous builds); having done so "c" once again works normally.

[galopagos]

I was wondering, with tabs being swept out of Panther, what's Apple gonna do to their web site, with all those constantly renamed tabs at the top of each page?

HA! Note to Apple: think ALL the way through before removing something so useful.

[akac]

Tabs still exist - just reformed into a new visual element. A nicer one, IMHO.

And perhaps they HAVE though it all the way through, but you haven't. Why confuse the public by putting the Panther tabs on the website when only Jag is available to the public?

[sebisworld]

Does anybody have a fix for USB Overdrive taking over the Apple Keyboard yet? The volume/ejects keys don't work when overdrive does that.

[richard5mith]

Originally posted by Boris Presley
Look for an application conflct. I noticed lowercase-c responding oddly after installing 7B44. Something told me to quit CopyPaste (which played nicely with previous builds); having done so "c" once again works normally.

Yup. I found the problem, it was Synergy, the iTunes controller I use. It's the hotkey support, the API must have changed or just be screwed up.

[daveL]

Well, I was actually able to use Panther and Safari to download from the ADC site. It mounts the ftp directory on the desktop correctly and allows you to drag and drop to a local folder. Nice. This hadn't worked for the seed images in either Jag or Panther, with Safari. Up to now I was forced to use IE or ftp command line to download the Panther beta images.

[KenWedin]

Woah! It appears as though tcsh has been replaced with bash as the default shell for Terminal. I've been intending to become more familiar with bash this summer, and I guess I now have added motivation. Of course we can change it back to tcsh or any other shell, but Apple must have a reason for switching to bash as the default, so I'll learn the differences in greater depth.

If I'm correct, bash is the most common shell used by Linux users. I'd like to find out Apple's motivation for the change, anyway.

[Juventuz]

Well it's nice to see the trash icon actually empties now, but 7B44 is all messed up for me.

This has to be the most unstable build yet. Out of the past three builds only one has been stable. That's not a good sign.

[billyboy]

Can anyone tell me how extensive the development of Panther is from when it was first released to developers until the day it will be on sale to the public. ie how many people are working on bug spotting and fixing and so on?

I was just thinking how it can be that tiny Apple can develop stuff so quickly and well, yet MS with their billions have a reputation for fobbing off unpolished software. Its obviously nothing to do with money. Is it the open source aspect of Darwin , or is that marketing hype, and it is only good luck that OSX 10.2 etc works so well?

[AppleMatt]

It's due to many reasons, eg Jobs is very demanding to work for, there is a tighter-knit community, the standard of workers is higher, they are more regulated, Apple customers are very demanding.

I'm sure I read something along the lines of IE 3 for Windows had around 240 developers working on it...damn!

AppleMatt

[peterjhill]

I am now using Panther full time. The latest official DR. It is very nice. I love the new UI. It makes some 3rd party applications look way better. Mulberry (www.cyrusoft.com) a super full-featured imap client, looks damn incredible. Mail.app is awesome. The finder is great. There are a lot of things I keep discovering that they have fixed. Using kerberos ticket forwarding to log in to a remote machine via ssh works great!!!

I can't wait until the full release!

[akac]

Does Mulberry now use Safari's HTML rendering engine? How is Mulberry improved in its look from jag?

[getalife03]

I use Ical and mail, but I also have the microsoft office suite, and I was checking it all out, and it seems brilliant that entourage has mail, calander, address book, tasks, and notes all in one program, with shortcut buttons to each of them. I was wondering why apple doesn't do that....it seems brilliant. Iphoto, Ical, mail, address book, and itunes all in one window so I don't have four or five windows open....they could even put safari in it and it opens tabs in the window. You would click the button on the menu bar to go to the program. For example, if I'm looking at the espn website and I want to check my e-mail, I click the mail button and my mailbox goes to the forefront of the window. Then, to go back to espn, I just click the safari icon in the app and it goes there. Not only does it save windows, spaces on your dock are also free since that puts four or five dock incons into this one "istuff" program....just wanted to know your thoughts on that.

[Xapplimatic]

I don't think iSync in any current version lives up to what it *should* be doing which is synchronizing all aspects of your computing life between your computers...

iSync needs full integration with all the iLife apps like iPhoto and iTunes so that photos and music can be automatically synced between desktops and laptops..

The option to sync that stuff would be premo.