Unlockers, it is your fault.

[one1]

I don't point the finger in a mean way, but I do point the finger at the truth.

Apple would have ignored phone modders completely if the service unlock wouldn't have taken people to different networks and put their contract with AT&T in jeopardy.

You'd be sitting on your phone right now playing NES or blackjack, or customizing your themes just like people do on OS-X every day. Apple doesn't really care that much about your third party apps. Apple cares about those few third party apps that unlock the phone so the only way to stop the unlocking.......... kill ALL third parts apps.

It's a case of "spoiling the whole bunch with a few unlockers". If the phones would not have been unlocked Apple would still be getting their cut of the cash from AT&T and no one would have heard a PEEP from Apple regarding third party apps.

In regards to the US, if you didn't want AT&T service, don't buy an Iphone. For the UK and parts beyond... patience.... it was coming.

Your efforts of unlocking this phone have made it where running third party apps, themes, and games takes an act of god to do now.

Apple would have ignored this just like they do with OS-X on the full size systems.

[TurboSC]

I'm sorry but everything you just said is wrong. thanks for playing.

[chriswheat]

I have to agree with you. I've neither added third-party apps nor unlocked my iPhone, just sat back and observed. I think that Apple stepped up their game to stop people who were unlocking the phone and took the 3rd party apps down at the same time...

Now, why can't they just add normal third-party apps without having to hack the phone?

[Cybergypsy]

Does this need to be said?????

[one1]

Does this need to be said?????

There's a crack team of devs working feverishly on unlocking third party aps again so they can RE-UNLOCK the phone and Apple can come back with another iron fist update and lock it down even tighter......

.....so........ apparently ..... yes.

Modding third party is the spirit of most mac users I know, that's fine and great. Unlocking is causing Apple to turn into a dictator and a iron fist. It's not going to be fun anymore. It's war.

[Cybergypsy]

There's a crack team of devs working feverishly on unlocking third party aps again so they can RE-UNLOCK the phone and Apple can come back with another iron fist update and lock it down even tighter......

.....so........ apparently ..... yes.

Not nice to kick people when they are down...........

[EvryDayImShufln]

Oh well

Is it so wrong to want to enjoy a product we cannot have "legally"?

[chriswheat]

Oh well

Is it so wrong to want to enjoy a product we cannot have "legally"?

You can have it legally. I do, so do hundreds of thousands of other people. It's called AT&T.

[TurboSC]

I guess I should clarify my anger towards the OP is more because of all the dev teams who work so hard to bring you so much more functionality to your phone...

I don't blame these people, I think they're doing a great job.

The ones who should be at fault are the ones who are trying to make a profit by selling thousands of unlock licenses to resellers. Those are the ones who need to be blamed, not the hard working people creating software for you to use on your iPhone.

[synth3tik]

I guess I should clarify my anger towards the OP is more because of all the dev teams who work so hard to bring you so much more functionality to your phone...

I don't blame these people, I think they're doing a great job.

The ones who should be at fault are the ones who are trying to make a profit by selling thousands of unlock licenses to resellers. Those are the ones who need to be blamed, not the hard working people creating software for you to use on your iPhone.

Well, lets see. They worked so hard against the EULA. Sooooooooo. opps! Its a brick.

[MattyMac]

I don't know why everyone couldn't just leave the beautiful device as it was without hacking it. AT&T is great...for me at least. I've had it since the network was cellular one with no regrets :D:apple:

[clevin]

return it and get a Touch.

[JD914]

It's called AT&T.

it's also called http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Props/icon_shithappens.gif

[one1]

I guess I should clarify my anger towards the OP is more because of all the dev teams who work so hard to bring you so much more functionality to your phone...

Oh really? My phone is modded all to HECK. I have nearly literally every hack on it you can do EXCEPT unlock. The DEV team are gods of men and their hacks are short of a godsend. UNLOCKING however triggers apples resistance and causes the DEV team even more hassle.

The Iphone is going global over the next few months so everyone could have legally had one, but patience is a virtue.

[DaLurker]

People can't seem to hack the Touch to allow third party apps now.

The Touch was released before the iPhone firmware update.

Apple does not want to allow third party apps.

Therefore:

Apple will use technology they used in the Touch to disable third party apps on the iPhone. This was coming whether people unlocked or not.

[one1]

it's also called http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Props/icon_shithappens.gif

I can't comment on AT&T's service because I won't actually be hooking my iPhone up until the 8th of Oct when I'll get a chance to see if it really is crap or not. I can comment however that the provisions were in bold print from day one "this only works on AT&T..... period". If you cannot accept that, don't buy it. Doing anything otherwise is asking for whatever comes your way.

[one1]

People can't seem to hack the Touch to allow third party apps now.

The Touch was released before the iPhone firmware update.

Apple does not want to allow third party apps.

Therefore:

Apple will use technology they used in the Touch to disable third party apps on the iPhone. This was coming whether people unlocked or not.
The iPhone was unlocked before the touch was released. The touch had the updated firmware, the iPhone simply got the updated touch software handed over from what they learned before they released the touch. I can promise you the day the phone got unlocked apple said "there's the hole, patch it" within 12 hours then spent time making it work with the iphone.

[phungy]

Yay! Let's get a heated discussion between T-Mobile and AT&T!

Yay! Let's point fingers!

[EricBrian]

Apple would have ignored phone modders completely if the service unlock wouldn't have taken people to different networks and put their contract with AT&T in jeopardy.

And you know that because you talked to Steve or some other Apple person with power to make such decisions? If not, how do you know this?

[one1]

And you know that because you talked to Steve or some other Apple person with power to make such decisions? If not, how do you know this?

It's simple (and highly obvious) economics. When in history has Apple gone this far to stop someone from creating a notepad app, or a to do app, or a widget with lava coming out of it and updated it into OS-X to kill your programs and widgets?

Never, correct. Why? No money was at stake. If you walk from AT&T Apple looses millions plus it severs their relationship with AT&T.

The other path taken: Stay on AT&T, no unlockers, Apple wouldn't have blinked twice at your cool new theme pack.

[EricBrian]

It's simple (and highly obvious) economics. When in history has Apple gone this far to stop someone from creating a notepad app, or a to do app, or a widget with lava coming out of it and updated it into OS-X to kill your programs and widgets?

Never, correct. Why? No money was at stake. If you walk from AT&T Apple looses millions plus it severs their relationship with AT&T.

Ah, so your assumptions is one of many.

[laidbackliam]

Now, why can't they just add normal third-party apps without having to hack the phone?

WHAT normal 3rd party apps without hacking the phone?

[jasonsmith]

Modding third party is the spirit of most mac users I know, that's fine and great.

I agree 100%

Unlocking is causing Apple to turn into a dictator and a iron fist. It's not going to be fun anymore. It's war.

Apple is the most arrogant company I have ever seen... plain and simple. They know exactly how to make people think that they are on your side but actually all the care about is money. And now it appears that they will run over grandma to get it.

It's too bad they make such great products... I am done being loyal. They deserve all that they are getting to them. If the hackers make them spend extra time and money to battle this "war" then thats great.

It's a shame that others like yourself feel that they are being punished for the "few".. but this is all Apple's doing.

[chriswheat]

WHAT normal 3rd party apps without hacking the phone?

My point exactly. There are none without hacking the phone. If Apple would just allow it then there wouldn't be this constant back and forth with developers who have to fight to break the phone.

[one1]

My point exactly. There are none without hacking the phone. If Apple would just allow it then there wouldn't be this constant back and forth with developers who have to fight to break the phone.

Apple does not aggressively pursue anything to this extent. Again, when is the last time some cool app on your computer like audacity, a lava widget, or anything else was deemed unuseable by a software update?

When? Never.

The only thing causing this resistance is the unlocking.

[carfac]

Apple does not aggressively pursue anything to this extent. Again, when is the last time some cool app on your computer like audacity, a lava widget, or anything else was deemed unuseable by a software update?

When? Never.

The only thing causing this resistance is the unlocking.

You are so full of **** you make ATT smell good.

First, all your suppositions are only based on your feelings and thoughts, no facts.

Second, your theory does not hold up at all. How about Freeplay or whatever that DMR is called. I see them using that Amazon and Napster now. Oh, wait, no I don't.... why is that???? DIdn't DVD Jon crake Freeplay once... as I remember, Apple did nothing there, supporting your theory...... NOT.

[Sobe]

Schadenfreude. Yes, I'm a little guilty.

I'm sure it'll all be re-hacked in short order so everyone just put down the razor blades and relax.

[one1]

You are so full of **** you make ATT smell good.

First, all your suppositions are only based on your feelings and thoughts, no facts.

Second, your theory does not hold up at all. How about Freeplay or whatever that DMR is called. I see them using that Amazon and Napster now. Oh, wait, no I don't.... why is that???? DIdn't DVD Jon crake Freeplay once... as I remember, Apple did nothing there, supporting your theory...... NOT.

Not only are you incapable of having a conversation without insults, your point is not directly even related to the topic. Protected digital music.... not quite a dashboard widget.

Sorry, but not only is your presentation substandard, so is your argument.

[seedster2]

I don't point the finger in a mean way, but I do point the finger at the truth.

Apple would have ignored phone modders completely if the service unlock wouldn't have taken people to different networks and put their contract with AT&T in jeopardy.

You'd be sitting on your phone right now playing NES or blackjack, or customizing your themes just like people do on OS-X every day. Apple doesn't really care that much about your third party apps. Apple cares about those few third party apps that unlock the phone so the only way to stop the unlocking.......... kill ALL third parts apps.

It's a case of "spoiling the whole bunch with a few unlockers". If the phones would not have been unlocked Apple would still be getting their cut of the cash from AT&T and no one would have heard a PEEP from Apple regarding third party apps.

In regards to the US, if you didn't want AT&T service, don't buy an Iphone. For the UK and parts beyond... patience.... it was coming.

Your efforts of unlocking this phone have made it where running third party apps, themes, and games takes an act of god to do now.

Apple would have ignored this just like they do with OS-X on the full size systems.

Thanks Mr. Jobs:rolleyes:

[Andrmgic]

The iPhone Dev team's ultimate goal was to unlock the iPhone.

The toolkit they created along the way is what enabled all of these third party applications. The fact is, Apple will never win this war.

Paid programmers at the office will never beat the people who break into things like this for fun and do so in their spare time.

[mrkramer]

Apple does not aggressively pursue anything to this extent. Again, when is the last time some cool app on your computer like audacity, a lava widget, or anything else was deemed unuseable by a software update?

When? Never.

The difference is Apple supports applications on the Mac they do not on the iPhone, it has nothing to do with the unlock, otherwise they would not have blocked third party apps in the touch, if Apple really didn't care about third party apps then they would havelet them be on the touch.


I'm sure it'll all be re-hacked in short order so everyone just put down the razor blades and relax.
I don't know, they have not been able to hack the touch yet and I think they just moved whatever is preventing the touch from being hacked to the iPhone.

[Sobe]

The iPhone Dev team's ultimate goal was to unlock the iPhone.

The toolkit they created along the way is what enabled all of these third party applications. The fact is, Apple will never win this war.

Paid programmers at the office will never beat the people who break into things like this for fun and do so in their spare time.

I think they should rename themselves Apple iPhone Dev Team from Cupertino...you know..wouldn't want people to think they're :rolleyes: hackers or something

[one1]

The difference is Apple supports applications on the Mac they do not on the iPhone, it has nothing to do with the unlock, otherwise they would not have blocked third party apps in the touch, if Apple really didn't care about third party apps then they would havelet them be on the touch.


I agree with your sentiment on the touch. It opens up speculation, but I think the jist of it is that the touch and Iphone are simply too closely related to distinguish them apart at the firmware level. I see the touch as the base, and the iPhone as the extension. The iPhone was first, so in reality the touch is running Iphone software, not the other way around. Simply dropping the phone aspect makes a touch and in this case "which came first" equals the iphone, and the touch following behind on iPhone software minus the phone hardware with the software extension for the phone simply not loaded.

[shoelessone]

I'm sorry but everything you just said is wrong. thanks for playing.

qft.

[mpuck972]

So sad to see a company like Apple reverting to such strong arm tactics. First the rebate fiasco, now this, their reputation is suffering big time. Perhaps they should have stuck to being some geeky company that was'nt mainstream.

[compuguy1088]

it's also called http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Props/icon_shithappens.gif

Most cell phone carriers in some way or another in the US are like that, in their own ways...

[EvryDayImShufln]

You can have it legally. I do, so do hundreds of thousands of other people. It's called AT&T.

I live in Canada so no, I cannot have it legally. Well technically I could, if I want to pay 1000$ in roaming fees every month, but I think I'll just stick to unlocking the phone.

[ellsworth]

soooo. I don't get the whole point of this thread... Did Apple lock up unlocked phones or did I miss something between today and this morning with this new firmware?:confused:

[D1G1T4L]

Let people unlock and mod ALL they want!

If Apple wants to stop this they need to STOP trying to lock everything down and START giving people a reason NOT to unlock and mod.

The more and more people unlock and mod maybe the quicker Apple will see this.

[EVILKAMOTE]

soooo. I don't get the whole point of this thread... Did Apple lock up unlocked phones or did I miss something between today and this morning with this new firmware?:confused:

same here...

[Unspeaked]

Perhaps the most pointless iPhone thread to date - and that's saying something.

[shoelessone]

Perhaps the most pointless iPhone thread to date - and that's saying something.

also qft :)

[one1]

also qft :)

Well at least you have found your place in the thread since this is the only thing you have added to it, twice now. One would believe that it is the extent of your capabilities. In the old world they would call you the Jester and your job would be given to you based on your lack of skills to be productive as a member of the court.

So keep poking Jester. Your three words in this thread are changing history. :)