Of PowerBooks and PowerMacs

[MacRumors]

ThinkSecret provides (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/tsnotes4.html) some minor notes on both PowerBook updates and PowerMac G5 2.0GHz Shipment dates.

One possibility introduced by ThinkSecret regarding the fluctuating G5 dates is that a large order from Virginia Tech may have bumped other orders later... however, no significant confirmation appears to be available. This would correlate with their previous report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030826120346.shtml) that educational institutions may be the first to see Dual 2.0GHz machines.

On PowerBooks, there are reports of unspecified delays into September, despite having been "ready to go" in August.

[AHDuke99]

They will be G5's, rumor sites no nothing.

[lschorno]

This is completely ridiculous, how long have we been waiting for a 15". I was hoping to take advantage of a price drop on the current ones, but due to super low stocks it seems unlikely any of them will be available by the time the new ones finally come out.

[ZildjianKX]

Screw powerbooks at this point... I'll just get a G5 tower. The PB release has become pathetic.

[speechpoet]

Has anyone heard about orders through resellers, and how soon they expect to ship? MacWarehouse sent me a we're-sorry-it's-taken-so-long-and- we'll-cancel-if-you-really-want-to message a while ago, and I haven't heard anything since.

(Also, I'm in Canada, which I'm guessing means Prime Minister Paul Martin and the dual-processor G5 should be arriving at roughly the same time...)

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by AHDuke99
They will be G5's, rumor sites no nothing.

At least someone agrees with me. These rumor sites have been guessing all along. Every guess has been wrong to this point and it doesn't take much to guess something will be announced during Jobs' keynote. "Unspecified delays" = Powerbook G5 Apple is keeping a super tight lid on it.

[rickvanr]

Originally posted by speechpoet
(Also, I'm in Canada, which I'm guessing means Prime Minister Paul Martin and the dual-processor G5 should be arriving at roughly the same time...)

thats a good one... haha

[TEG]

Originally posted by speechpoet
(Also, I'm in Canada, which I'm guessing means Prime Minister Paul Martin and the dual-processor G5 should be arriving at roughly the same time...)

So in other words, there will never be Duals in Canada.

*Canadian Liberal Party Sucks*
Long live the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada

TEG

[brucku]

Ok. Arn i think its time to post a powerbook rumor every morning. Even if its = ok who's still waiting for powerbooks. Also how bout a poll tomorrow of "do you think the powerbook g5 will be the next update to the powrbook line?"

this rumor means nothing!!!

Moron 1: Hey , its gonna be sept in a few days
Moron 2: No powerbooks today, guess it will have to be in sept.
Moron 1: I know, lets post a rumor saying they will be delayed until Sept!


I hate a day when i sit here waiting for the daily powerbook rumor. I think that at 8am, a topic should be started that says...

It's 8am, do you know where your powerbook updates are?

We can just post replies to it all day to pass the time till it actually is released..


I've said my peace.

Lou

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by AHDuke99
They will be G5's, rumor sites no nothing.

Honestly,

If Apple came out with a PowerBook G5 this soon I wouldn't touch it. Or at the very least be HIGHLY suspicious of its build quality. Something like that would scream "rushed to market". And I'd bet cash soon after its release the defects reports would start to trickle in.
The question I have is how level headed Jobs is. (I've heard he's far from level.) If pissed off enough because of Moto would he rush a G5 PowerBook to market just to throw it in their face?

[mainstreetmark]

The rumor is "delays until september"? This is probably the first solid fact on these damn things.

Still now powerbooks.

I'm going out to the barn with a never stopping pain.
I'm going out to the barn to hang myself in shame.

[nagromme]

If PowerBooks were "ready to ship" mid-August, I see no way they could have G5s. An announcement mid-sept about G5 PowerBooks in early December... that I might have believed.

I wonder if these delays will have a silver lining: lower prices?

[holy MAC!]

my birthday is sep 2nd,

and that's a tuesday.....

i am praying.......

it stinks, because i am hoping to take advantage of the ipod rebate offer, but since it's fine print says "order and take posession" of powerbook,

there aren't any in stock to buy, and im also doubting that if they announce new pbooks, that they will be in my "possession" before the rebate expires......

"happpy" birthday to me........

<.< ^.^ >.> v.v

[Sratner]

Seems ridiculous at this point to bother with a G4 Powerbook... I mean if we have waited this long whats another couple of months.. Ill wait for the G5..... and i know they said not any time soon,,, but you know what.. its not soon anymore.. so you never know..

[hobbes3113]

Originally posted by brucku

this rumor means nothing!!!

Moron 1: Hey , its gonna be sept in a few days
Moron 2: No powerbooks today, guess it will have to be in sept.
Moron 1: I know, lets post a rumor saying they will be delayed until Sept!


I hate a day when i sit here waiting for the daily powerbook rumor. I think that at 8am, a topic should be started that says...

It's 8am, do you know where your powerbook updates are?



I couldn't agree more. I don't know what is more frustrating, waiting for the update, or reading these so called rumors. It is obvoius that Apple is keeping a tight lid on this update.

[red_wedge]

What is all this stupidness about PowerBook releases coming soon? Apple would never release a major update to a PowerBook at any time other than at a show! Jobs loves the publicity.

If anything comes it'll be at Paris. If not, then at MWSF in January. It's as simple as that. So chill out everybody, and wait (im)patiently.

[Toe]

If I had to guess, I would say September 16, when Steve gives his Appke Expo keynote (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030825153843.shtml).

Makes more sense than any other random date, no?

I can't believe they're letting stocks diminish when kids are going back to school. Sure iBooks might be more used in schools, but still....

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by mainstreetmark
I'm going out to the barn with a never stopping pain.
I'm going out to the barn to hang myself in shame.

Nice femmes quote ... :)

Sorry, can't respond to anything on topic. This topic is beaten beyond dead.

[Catt]

Apple might, as it always does, announce a ground breaking product (in this case a G5 Powerbook) but not ship it for another 4 months.

All I know is that the Powerbook line needs updating. I am in the market for a new Laptop and am 85% certain I will get a PC Laptop but if Apple announce something really interesting I may well go with a Mac; we already have an iMac in the house anyway.

[ZildjianKX]

As I called it when the ipod + PB promotion came out, the next PB will come out the day the promotion is over.

[new user]

before this gets into another debate about innovation vs market share.

originally, when i first started to wait for the updates, i was in the market for 15ti. now i think just for the portability, perhaps the 12ai will be better.

my inquiry is two folds. aside from the obvious drawbacks of the lack of l3. how significant is the heat issue, ram limitation, and lack of dvi? are there other things i should consider?

and number two: what remedies will the update bring to the 12ai product. i'm hoping l3 but is there other things i should particularly wish for?

thanks!

[sacrilicious]

This is not just absurd, this is painful.

[red_wedge]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
As I called it when the ipod + PB promotion came out, the next PB will come out the day the promotion is over.


There's also some promotion where you can buy a Mac and get FC Express cheap which ends around the time of the Paris Expo.

I'm sure it'll be good when it comes though. Maybe even G5.

[bikertwin]

Maybe here's what happened behind the scenes:

The new 15" PowerBooks were ready to go last week or this week. They were being held off because Jobs wanted the Dual 2 GHz PowerMacs to ship first.

OK, at the last minute, Virginia Tech soaks up all the available 2GHz machines. So now Apple is stuck releasing the G5 PowerBooks before the 2GHz dualies. Not gonna happen.

So they push back the G5 PowerBooks until after the 2GHz dualies ship. But now that makes it mid-to-late September.

:confused:

[red_wedge]

I say again: why would apple release an updates 15" PB 'quietly' one tuesday, when it could be released with a big fanfare at the Paris Expo alongside, say, a demo of Photoshop 8, some impressive .Mac features to make it worthwhile (to EU customers), maybe some iTunes EU functionality, a Panther preview, wireless peripherals, and who knows what else.

Paris is going to be big this year (maybe it's a way for the US-centric Apple to make peace with anti-war France!! Steve saves the world! Again!!). MWSF will maybe have some new gadget, or the enhanced colour iPod...or maybe...oooh...Keynote 2! Wow I can't wait.

[webplummer]

Oh my F'in god...

I think we should all just expect that there will never be another Apple laptop produced again.

Or, since we've all been driven mad enough to agree that the next release is a G5 portable... we should expect the next iPod to also be the next portable Mac.

PC users will buy it, unsuspecting, thinking they are getting an MP3 player. But when they get home and read the operations manual (an OSX manual) and plug their USB keyboard, mouse, and DVI display into the thing, because it'll say you should "for best results on first run," they'll realize only too late that they are using a full-fledged Mac.

It'll run on a 1.2 Ghz G3, booting the system off a static RAM drive for super fast startup, come with 512 MB non-upgradable RAM, integrated ATI or nVidia video chip, and a 60GB 5400 rpm hard drive.

Soon, they'll realize they are hooked and have no desire to reconnect their PC. The Trojan horse iPod will come with a simple Airport Extreme dongle that plugs into the in jack in the back of your stereo for wireless entertainment and doubles as a base station. Apple will sell external Superdrives for the new iPod owners (iDrive anyone?). Price will be a cool $599.

BAM.

[red_wedge]

Or how about a bluetooth equipped iPod that automatically detects bt enabled PC's and installs the 'lost-rumoured' PC version of OS X automatically over Windows, and Steve saves the world again (again!!)!!

[GrannySmith_G5]

why would Steve use his keynote to release a minor speed-bumped powerbook? wouldn't they just post an update on their site? If he was to announce at the apple expo, wouldn't it have to be something a little better then a 15incher with a slightly faster g4 with the same form factor as the other two powerbooks which where announced going on like 9 months ago? Why would releasing a g5 powerbook be any more rushing it to the market then the g5 powermac was? I would think they could easily have been developing both at the same time. Realsing the powermac first was a no brainer, since they were selling much worse then the powerbooks were. right? what the hell am I missing here?

[red_wedge]

You're not missing anythin excapt that it's been almost a year since the 15" was updated, so any update will be major. Or rather, it won't be minor. It won't be just a speedbump, more likely a architecture transformation, and I'm not just talking aluminium.

[kwikdeth]

im sorry but there is just no way there are going to be G5 powerbooks this soon. Look at the history: We were well into the G4 line before we saw the first titanium laptops. Dunno about the first G3 laptops but i think there was a moderate delay on those vs. desktops as well. The 12" and 17" powerbooks have been out less than a year with no major revisions made to them. I HIGHLY doubt apple is going to make any drastic changes at this point; it would be too costly because a G5 powerbook would require significant redesigns for logic board and power supply, not to mention the obvious cooling issue which will not get serious attention until the 980s come out next spring. (the 970s at current are simply far too hot, power-hungry, and big... wanna have a G5 powerbook with 45 minutes of battery life? I dont think so...) Apple would not waste the money of designing the 12 and 17 just to throw them away eight months later. We'll see a speed bump on the G4 powerbooks now, probably 1ghz for the 12, 1 and 1.33 for the 15, and 1.33 for the 17 (maybe a 1.2 or 1 as well) as well as better graphics processors... that's been one of the most consistently complained about aspects of the 17s and 12s is the awful GeForce Go chips apple chose to use. If apple was smart (like they were on the last 15 revision with rad 9000 mob) they will put Radeon 9600 mobility in at least the 17 and higher-end 15 (which will be in aluminum case to match others, duh) Built-in bluetooth across the line, too. on a long shot i will bet they might include some sort of digital-audio output like on the G5s but utilizing a different, smaller connector (probably 1/8" optical toslink) IMHO normal toslink optical connections are too likely to get screwed up on something like a powerbook.

so this is what's gonna happen: powerbook upgrades (at Paris) along with iMac upgrades (and maybe iBook too, but thats a longer shot) They will see faster arcitechture, processors and video.
There is NO WAY Jobs is going to waste something so significant as a G5 powerbook on the Paris expo. (and mark my words, it will be a big deal because they will be just as different from the current G4s as they were from the Pismo)

and just on a lark, who wants to play Hot Potato with the idea we might see a dual-processor 17"???? remember those rumors from a few months back??? im sure the 17 has enough space to handle the cooling with enough ingenuity....

and for the people saying "he can't waste a keynote, he's gonna do something big!" you're wrong. last year in paris he gave the keynote and it was only software announcements..... we will see moderate powerbook updates on the 16th.

So it is written, so shall it be done.

[billyboy]

This is the year of the notebook, right? I know he has a lot of front, but surely Steve Jobs has something tangible up his sleeve to say something as bold as that.

ie Even though the Powerbooks are still selling well, he knows that with the speed PC land spews out ever faster and ever better equipped laptops, the G4 Macs cant remain the ultimate laptop in their current form.

So, seeing that the PB is the flagship of Apple notebooks, and notebooks, we have been told, are the format of the future in computing, the next PB is going to have to be something spectacular - especially as it is going to have to eclipse the amazing Dual G5, a mere "declining in importance" desktop solution brought out to shut up those who foolishly doubt Apple´s ability to produce a competitive desktop.

Im not saying the next incarnation is going to be a dual G5 notebook, but I bet it will work like sh*i off a shovel and have some features to make the extended wait worth while.

Have faith in Lord Jobs and be patient while his minions cobble together something good. The tension and the opposition will be vaporised by the next PB.

[cb911]

I like ThinkSecret, but they're just covering themselves, repeating the old 'we said the PowerBooks had an uncertain release date'.

The fact that everything has been hush hush about the new PowerBooks should tell people that this won't be an ordinary update. ThinkSecret even posted detailed specs of the next iMacs, video card, number of different ports, everything. and what have we heard about the new PowerBooks? nothing. just about everything we think will be in the new PowerBooks has been from speculation amongst people on forums like MacRumors.

whatever the new PowerBooks bring, they'll have to be released by around 16 September at the latest, right? any later than that's just absurd, and they damn well better be shipping immediately.

oh, and to the people that say they're sick of waiting for the updated PowerBooks and that they'll just get a G5 PowerMac - how do you figure that will work? they aren't even shipping until late September, and it's likely that the PowerBooks will at least be announced then anyway. :rolleyes:

[a6rnh]

this is getting more absurd by the day....there are serious problems if they are waiting another 2-3 weeks

i still don't believe in a g5 PB, but where can apple go from here....it's the last drink in powerbook canteen partner......

[actripxl]

Well that's it I guess I'll have to wait until December to buy my next Mac since im waiting on a PB update. Well time to take my bro's old pc and delete Windows so I can install Linux. Man this sucks, this is what I get for selling my iBook to damn soon. :rolleyes:

[stompy]

Originally posted by hobbes3113
I couldn't agree more. I don't know what is more frustrating, waiting for the update, or reading these so called rumors. It is obvoius that Apple is keeping a tight lid on this update.

Actually, the only thing more frustrating that waiting for a powerbook update is reading posts like this one. So called rumors? Many sites have been guessing about possible powerbook updates, but not all rumor sites are as reliable as others. Please post a list of all ThinkSecret laptop rumors, from the end of MWSF 2003 - August 17. Maybe I missed something, but this is the only laptop rumor during that time frame that I remember:

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/aprilibooks.html

[bdkennedy1]

Regular consumers who placed their orders FIRST should get their orders FIRST.

[weev]

You know when you wait so long for some anticipated product, the money is in hand, the need, well, lets not go there. But you wait and wait to the point where you drain completely of anticipation and then suddenly - bang - you are over it.

That's the way many of us may feel about the coming powerbooks. Maybe, I'll just go on a holiday instead, spend the money somewhere else.

But, lurking there, in the back of our geeky minds, we want to drool, we want to covet a new Apple toy (I mean tool) .... Just hope its worth alll the frustrated anticipation....

My bet it will be the 16th in Paris, close enough now, but don't wish the days away! :D

[bikertwin]

Originally posted by kwikdeth
im sorry but there is just no way there are going to be G5 powerbooks this soon. Look at the history...

Forget the history, folks.

Things are different now. Laptops are a lot more important than they were 3 or 5 or 7 years ago.

It's crucial that laptops be updated very quickly, since that is where the whole industry is moving.

The new PowerBooks will be G5s.

And if they're ready before Paris, they'll be shipped before Paris. I mean, what is Jobs supposed to do: magically create a Mac event/show whenever a product is ready? He said they're getting away from announcements at shows. The industry changes too fast to only make announcements twice a year.

[arn]

People need to relax... and use a discriminating eye when reading rumors.

There have been exactly two of what I would call "reliable" PowerBook rumor reports since January 2003....

The problem is that too many people read any rumor (no matter which site it comes from) and take is as fact and then get angry when it doesn't come true.

I try to hint at these things in the context of the artucles, but some people ignore my hints and hear what they want to.

The two reliable PowerBook rumor reports to date :

1) http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030818022136.shtml

"no definite date is provided"

2) http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030822013250.shtml

15.2" and illuminated keyboards.


Which rumors have disappointed you?

Where you expecting G5 Powerbooks at WWDC? I wasn't... (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030610012111.shtml)
PowerBooks on the 19th? uncertain reliability (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030807135533.shtml)

[Macmaniac]

Is it to late to get into Virginia Tech????;)

[jocknerd]

Maybe when I go up for the Miami game in November, I'll look for the G5 cluster farm.

[crees!]

Think of it this way... whenever Apple releases the next PB revision (assuming January 2004 will be the latest they will be released) prepare yourself for the next update to be in May/June 2004. So if you don't purchase a PB when these next models come out it will be 6+ months before the next major update.

IF Apple's next PB release is with a G4 do not, repeat do not expect 3 months down the line that a G5 will come out. That is just absurd.

I truly as a switcher would LOVE a G5 in the next PB but I will sink my teeth into whatever they have to offer, period.

There are dreams and then there is marketing.


edit: Speaking of dreaming I am still leaning toward the "thought" that Apple would want to have the 1st 64-bit laptop to match the 1st 64-bit desktop. I haven't followed up on it but I've read where people have talked about AMD delivering the 1st 64-bit processor for laptops near the end of September. The Paris Expo would be perfect grounds for delivering the 1st 64-bit laptop, thus beating out the Windows market, again.

[yujini]

12 inch powerbooks are very very hot.
I have never used a laptop/notebook that is this hot. (One reason why i didn't buy the 12 inch)
I can't even rest my wrist on the keyboard.
(though i don't own one, i've tried it out many times)

If steve jobs did say it's the year of laptops,
it doesn't necessarily mean apple laptops right?

I know PC laptops are selling like hotcakes at the moment.

Anyways, I wouldn't think having a G5 in the 15inch powerbook
would be a rush to the market. They would've been planning this
much earlier. The fact that the new powerbooks would use the 7457 (or whatever the new number is) from motorola was a rumor itself wasn't it? the rumor sites were just speculating from the motorola site that the next powerbooks would use a 7457, meaning that the speed would be roughly around 1.25ghz-1.33ghz.

Considering these rumors sites have been wrong all along since way back early this year, I think their trustability is less than 1% meaning they don't know anything about the new powerbook updates.

The latest date that apple will announce the new powerbooks should be the paris expo whether or not it means it will take 4 months for them to ship the new powerbooks. But if they did take 4 months, I would assume that apple would still be manufacturing the old 15 inch powerbooks since I know plenty of people wanting the old ti powerbook and still not being able to get one.

This comes to one conclusion, they are either ready or almost ready to ship them, and they will announce it during the paris expo.

Steve jobs will not just announce a speed bump for the powerbooks. I have heard that apple once announced a powerbook with minimal speed upgrades a while ago but that's during the 90s. The 21st century customers are much different than the 90s customers and apple should know that (or i hope they do).

Maybe when Steve jobs said it was the year of laptops he meant that apple would be introducing the first consumer level 64bit processor laptop in the year 2003.

Oh well, we'll know for sure by this month.

[strangelogic]

edit - posted in wrong thread -- how to delete? oh well...

[art399]

My take on the situation: The powerbooks that will probably be announced at Paris will NOT be G5's they will be pretty much what the rumors have stated; 1.25 ghz G4, etc etc...i don't believe it will be anything spectacular. Why not G5's? The desktops haven't had time to sink into the market. I believe this is their typical marketing strategy, the coolness of desktop G5's would be eclipsed by a G5 laptop and they would sell far less of them(the desktops). They seemed to have done this with the aluminum laptops, by not releasing a 15" Al PB(which most people would have bought instead of the 12 or 17). The heat issue(which i really don't know about anymore judging by the comments about wattage and what-not going around on the boards, perhaps it is viable at this point). I think we need to get over the whole "year of the laptop" phrase, it was a cool exciting phrase they decided to throw out there to increase the buzz about the aluminums, nothing more, no hidden agenda, no surpsises. Personally, i'll be happy with my G4 15" Aluminum, i've never owned an apple and that will do quite nicely as a first machine. My only worry is after they've announced mid-september, how long until they actually ship(to Canada)? I hope i don't have to wait months! :mad:

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by bikertwin
Maybe here's what happened behind the scenes:

The new 15" PowerBooks were ready to go last week or this week. They were being held off because Jobs wanted the Dual 2 GHz PowerMacs to ship first.

OK, at the last minute, Virginia Tech soaks up all the available 2GHz machines. So now Apple is stuck releasing the G5 PowerBooks before the 2GHz dualies. Not gonna happen.

So they push back the G5 PowerBooks until after the 2GHz dualies ship. But now that makes it mid-to-late September.

:confused:

I wish I could believe this but I cannot.

Okay maybe an ed customer soaked up all early 2x2 G5's and that part makes sense as ed stations sell multiple student macs per station. Kinda a retail display of sorts.

But the PBG5 rumor is just NOT going to happen.

I could see an AlPB15G4 with perhaps even USB2 and FW800.

But if you ask me the one and only thing Apple needs to release immediately above all else is Windows iTunes, as that is a growth market and early market share they are losing to alternate music services, and being a service fee and not a hardware sale, it is ezmoney.

Apple said all along that the G5 would be released mid August to mid September and frankly they actually met that schedule by delivering the G5 1.6's and a couple of G5 1.8's to stores already. How far begind can G5 2x2's be anyway? A month would be reasonable so don't even BEGIN whining till 9-15-03.

That's my position and I am sticking to it. The fact Apple stock has been ticking up is kinda scary as that almost never happens.

Rocketman

[rjwill246]

Actually, the biggest problem we on this forum, is our own rumour mongering, which is driving some people into unbelievable mentally contorted postures. Time, some, to get a glass of milk, a Yo-Yo biscuit and shut up! The noise some people are making here is ecologically unacceptable. Concorde be damned!
The new G5s will come when they come... it could be next Christmas and I don't mean 2003... so what? It will be when it will be! And the PBs... don't wait! get a G4 and be happy... it just works.

[strangelogic]

Originally posted by rjwill246
Actually, the biggest problem we on this forum, is our own rumour mongering,
and in that spirit ---
-- new G5 2.0DP orders are supposed to ship in 10-15 business days.
-- pre-orders of same shipping in 10-15 business days

-- Stevenote Paris - 11 business days (or is it 12).

They've got to have some inventory of those machines now, I don't know what kind of volume they can produce, but they have to be holding them for 1 part that can be produced quick and in volume...
Panther anyone?
As far as PB - I stay out of that one, but Steve will want to say more than ''We're shipping Panther with the G5 duals''

[TIMEKILLER]

Originally posted by TEG
So in other words, there will never be Duals in Canada.

*Canadian Liberal Party Sucks*
Long live the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada

TEG


Two points. Duals, no duals, Powerbooks, whatever, so far I'm underimpressed with the whole delivery game, Apple is losing $ on this one. However, Apple has incredible security. They've got the whole Apple word guessing and checking rumour sites hourly, me included, and nobody actually knows anything--the same thing happened with the G5, nobody really knew anything until about four days before the release. Incredible.

Second, and warning, Canadian content ahead, how can a party with an oxymoronic (progressive conservative!??) name even exist? Do they still exist? Or did the Western Aliens take 'em over? I'm from Alberta so don't start the "east coast" conspiracy theory smack.

Time to check some more rumour sites now...

[legacyb4]

Panther and iTunes for Windows would more than make up for the hush of silence when a new G4-based 15" PB is announced.

Interesting to see what really happens!

Originally posted by strangelogic
They've got to have some inventory of those machines now, I don't know what kind of volume they can produce, but they have to be holding them for 1 part that can be produced quick and in volume...
Panther anyone?

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by Rocketman
Apple said all along that the G5 would be released mid August to mid September and frankly they actually met that schedule by delivering the G5 1.6's and a couple of G5 1.8's to stores already. How far begind can G5 2x2's be anyway? A month would be reasonable so don't even BEGIN whining till 9-15-03.

That's my position and I am sticking to it. The fact Apple stock has been ticking up is kinda scary as that almost never happens.

Rocketman

I told you so. (headline hard news today)
I also told you so on the PBAl17-FW800.
Reread my message above wherein I state wintel iTunes is hypercritical.

Rocketman

[Powerbook G5]

PowerBook G5 is here! Ta-da! You don't have to wait until September for me, I'm here for your viewing pleasure 7 days a week! And gladly, I cost significantly less than $3000! (although donations are gladly accepted :D)

[Chupa Chupa]

Anyone who thinks a G5 Powerbook is even a remote possibility is delusional or ignorant about the G5. For those who think a G5 PB is a nearterm possibility have you seen the heatsink on the G5? Have you noticed there are NINE fans in the case? Have you noticed the hungry power supply? Apple can perform technological wonders, but to cram a G5 into the current PB form factor without cooking itself or its user would be pretty close to miraculous, and definetly very pricey. So, stop wasting your time even entertaining the possibility of a G5 PB before this time next year. Its not going to happen.

[crees!]

Originally posted by Chupa Chupa
Anyone who thinks a G5 Powerbook is even a remote possibility is delusional or ignorant about the G5. For those who think a G5 PB is a nearterm possibility have you seen the heatsink on the G5? Have you noticed there are NINE fans in the case? Have you noticed the hungry power supply? Apple can perform technological wonders, but to cram a G5 into the current PB form factor without cooking itself or its user would be pretty close to miraculous, and definetly very pricey. So, stop wasting your time even entertaining the possibility of a G5 PB before this time next year. Its not going to happen.

Please get your facts straight. A toned down G5 emits about the same amount of heat as a G4, probably slightly less. HEAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. Please understand that. (These are by far the most annoying posts everyone puts up).

The NINE (9) fans are because there are 4 cooling zones. It is much more logical than having one centralized monster fan. The 9 fans run quieter than the current G4 desktops. That's what you want.. a quiet machine right? Now power consumption / battery life... well that's another story and I'm sure it's being worked on.


edit: [From Apple]
It’s no secret that computers generate heat. So Apple divided the inside of the Power Mac G5 into four discrete thermal zones, compartmentalizing the primary heat-producing components — processor, PCI, storage and power supply. This allows the system to increase or decrease the temperature of a single zone without affecting the others.

Each of the four thermal zones is equipped with its own dedicated, low-speed fans. Apple engineered seven of the nine fans to spin at very low speeds for minimum acoustic output. And Mac OS X constantly monitors component temperatures in each zone, dynamically adjusting individual fan speeds to the appropriate levels for the quietest possible operation. As a result, the Power Mac G5 runs two times quieter than the previous Power Mac G4 enclosure.

[ratm]

I work for an educational distributor of Apple products (please do not ask me which; I would like to remain anonymous because I know my co-workers read these forums).
We have been receiving PowerBooks at a slow trickle (usually 20 at a time every few weeks) to fill our orders for incoming students; however, we are still seriously back-logged (50 orders are still outstanding and the list is continually growing). The V-Tech rumor is partly true: our Apple Educational representative did acknowledge that V-Tech did order approximately 1300 PowerBooks in early July. Apple did not have enough stock to fill this order, and they are still working around the clock to fill V-Tech PowerBook orders while trying to fill other educational orders and individual orders. I have no confirmation of an outstanding V-Tech G5 order; my department has been receiving small quantities of single-processor 1.6GHz and 1.8GHz G5 units, mostly to fill personal orders. Dual 2GHz units are still on an outstanding backorder list, and we have been consistently told that these units will ship in "late September" since the anouncement of the new PowerMac's.

[crees!]

Originally posted by ratm
I work for an educational distributor of Apple products (please do not ask me which; I would like to remain anonymous because I know my co-workers read these forums).
We have been receiving PowerBooks at a slow trickle (usually 20 at a time every few weeks) to fill our orders for incoming students; however, we are still seriously back-logged (50 orders are still outstanding and the list is continually growing). The V-Tech rumor is partly true: our Apple Educational representative did acknowledge that V-Tech did order approximately 1300 PowerBooks in early July. Apple did not have enough stock to fill this order, and they are still working around the clock to fill V-Tech PowerBook orders while trying to fill other educational orders and individual orders. I have no confirmation of an outstanding V-Tech G5 order; my department has been receiving small quantities of single-processor 1.6GHz and 1.8GHz G5 units, mostly to fill personal orders. Dual 2GHz units are still on an outstanding backorder list, and we have been consistently told that these units will ship in "late September" since the anouncement of the new PowerMac's.

So V-Tech bought 1,300 PB's ontop of a large amount of Dual G5's. Do you have any anonymous information/timeline for the next PB update?

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by Chupa Chupa
Anyone who thinks a G5 Powerbook is even a remote possibility is delusional or ignorant about the G5. For those who think a G5 PB is a nearterm possibility have you seen the heatsink on the G5? Have you noticed there are NINE fans in the case? Have you noticed the hungry power supply? Apple can perform technological wonders, but to cram a G5 into the current PB form factor without cooking itself or its user would be pretty close to miraculous, and definetly very pricey. So, stop wasting your time even entertaining the possibility of a G5 PB before this time next year. Its not going to happen.

Wrong. I'm certain Apple could cram dual 2Ghz G5's in a powerbook at this point if they wanted to. It would be 3 inches thick and weigh 10 pounds but it would be doable. Example of everything and the kitchen sink:

Sager NP 8890 Series (http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product.cfm?ProductType=8890)

The specs on this bad boy:




16.0" SXGA Active Matrix Display
Intel® Pentium® 4 (800MHz FSB) Processor up to 3.2Ghz support.
512 MB 400MHz PC3200 DDR [Expandable to 2048 MB]
20.0/40.0/60.0/80.0 GB Ultra DMA Hard Drive (Note: This thing has support for up to 2 internal hard drives. Insane.)
24X Max. CD / 8X Max. DVD / 8X DVD & 24X Max. CD-RW Combo / 2X DVD-RW Detachable CD-ROM Drive
Smart Li-ION Battery
TV-Tuner with Remote
Detachable MP3 Player Modular, Hardware RAID 0 or 1 function
512KB on-die Cache
ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB DDR
Built-in 3.5" FDD
6 Channel Analog
Touchpad with Scrolling Keys
2 Type II or 1 Type III PCMCIA Slots
Infra Red, Wireless Fast IR interface
4 USB 2.0 Ports
1 IEEE-1394 Port (6 PIN)
1 S/PDIF out & microphone in / Center & subwoofer speaker out, 1 Headphone / Front L/R Speaker out, 1 Line in / Rear L/R Speaker out, 1 infrared, DVI out port, 1 parallel, 1 Serial, 1 PS/2, 1 S-Video-Out, 1 S-Video-In, 1 RJ-45, 1 RJ-11

Integrated 10/100/1000Mbps LAN & V.90 56K Fax/Modem
Optional Internal 802.11b Wi-Fi Module,
Internal Bluetooth Module,
6-in-1 Card Reader Module 9Note: Fits where the MP3 player modual goes.)
8X Max. DVD-ROM, 8X DVD/24x10x24 CD-RW Combo, and 2X DVD-RW drive.
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Standard Carrying Bag, Auto Switch 110/220V AC Adapter, AC power cord, Multifunction Remote Control, Coaxial Connector, User's Manual, Utility CD
Dimension (H) x (W) x (D) : 2.25"x14.17"x11.77" Weight: 12.0lbs. with Battery


As you can see they fit everything you could possibly want in there at the price of turning this thing into a luggable and breaking your back over it .
My point is, trying to not get too far off topic, that yes if Apple wanted to they could rush a G5 to market. It is totally doable. Unless they are going for the kitchen sink approach, something Apple ISN’T particularly known for, the are going to take their time and get it right. I can’t imagine there are many Apple users willing to trade size and weight for a G5. Anyone?

[ratm]

Originally posted by crees!
So V-Tech bought 1,300 PB's ontop of a large amount of Dual G5's. Do you have any anonymous information/timeline for the next PB update?
Yes, I do. Please be aware, though, that this is not information directly from an Apple source; Apple Sales representatives are kept in the dark just like everyone else. Most of my predictive information is two sources removed, but it has been historically accurate with few discrepencies. PowerBooks are being ramped for an update during the week of September 15th. This timeframe was given to me about two weeks ago, and it has only been bolstered by the added rumor that Steve Jobs will be giving the key note speech in France. I do not have any system specs, but they are looking to be small aesthetic changes with the usual speeds and feeds (read: no G5's).
The big hold-up for updates is most likely due to Motorolla's historically slow production rate and the fact that this is the time of year where most educational institutions are distributing machines to new students. Last year, both Intel and Apple made the mistake of introducing new machines and processors during the back-to-school rush, causing chaos among educational distributors. Resellers found themselves flustered trying to refund customers for the cut-rate older systems while trying to fill new orders for the just-released systems. This is not a good situation to have as a reseller or as a computer manufacturer: money is lost on older system orders while a struggle is created to fill new orders that have no proper technical support. This is also why I fear for G5 sales: Apple has no existing technical support for these machines as they are still diagnosing the warm corpses of the newly defective G5 while educational customers are demanding machines for their upcoming classes.
Despite the fact that PowerBooks are long overdue, this time frame seems reasonable because most sales for computers slack off at this time of the year, and new PowerBooks soon would meet or beat the soon-to-be-released new Pentium M laptops. Also, it's just outside of the back-to-school rush, therefore keeping Apple's economic losses at a minimum. Couple that with a currently low supply of 15" PowerBooks (12" and 17" PowerBooks are still readily available), and it looks like Apple is staging themselves for a nice Q3 gain in the laptop sales figures.

[ratm]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Wrong. I'm certain Apple could cram dual 2Ghz G5's in a powerbook at this point if they wanted to. It would be 3 inches thick and weigh 10 pounds but it would be doable.
S.A.,
Only if Apple wanted to entirely lose their image of being the pinnacle of design and performance combined would they release such a monstrosity. I find it difficult to sell a Dell Latitude D800 weighing 7.8 lbs. or a Workstation M50 weighing just shy of 8 lbs. (both of them being about 2 inches thick) to people who really need so much power in a laptop. The number of both units sold combined can be count by the number of fingers you have. Heck, the 17" PowerBook barely sells enough for us to justify keeping it as a stock item, and it weighs less and consumes less space than either high-end Dell . Compare that to the sales figures of thin and light but full-sized laptops (several hundred IBM T-series laptops, a few hundred 15" PB G4's). Such a product would be DOA.
Sure, a G5 laptop could be made now, but why would you want to?

[merges]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Screw powerbooks at this point... I'll just get a G5 tower. The PB release has become pathetic.

What the HELL does that mean? THERE IS NO POWERBOOK RELEASE. In case you have forgotten, Apple has said zilch, zip, nada, nothing about any new computers except the Power Mac G5. IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

Do you fantasize about meeting someone, some big star, totally in your head, even talk about it with your friends, and when it doesn't happen (because there was no evidence of it happening anyway), say, "***** that's pathetic, why the hell isn't this person seeking me out and meeting me?"

[Deunan]

Long time reader, first post.

Been Apple Reseller for 8 years and the pattern is that they announce major upgrades at expos. G5 and new Powerbook would fit this modus operandi.

Revisions would just be "announced" on their web site, suprising all including the resellers (Apple doesn't let the channel know of revisions - like software revisions, they just come out.)

Finally, our Apple Rep stated that he while he could not disclose when new stuff would be coming out (This was after the G5 release) and we needed stuff for Back To School and we were worried about stocking old inventory, he assuaded our fears by guaranteeing us that NO NEW PRODUCT would be announced before SEPTEMBER.

As others have stated, the channel is pretty much dry. Apple does this when new stuff is about to come down the pipe. It's as annoying as heck, but it keeps their cost down and their stock up!

Well, as I'm waiting with bated breath (with the rest of the world) for the new PowerBook, it won't be much longer.

[Deunan]

Also...

It seems that we just got a bunch of PowerBook 12" Supers, so I'm not sure if the 12" will receive an upgrade. iBooks are shipping without delay, so I would surmise if there is a major upgrade to the ibook, it won't be until the January Expo.

We have no 15" or 17" PBs left, and orders are piling up...

Again, not sure about the 12" Combo/Super.

[Deunan]

Originally posted by TIMEKILLER
Two points. Duals, no duals, Powerbooks, whatever, so far I'm underimpressed with the whole delivery game, Apple is losing $ on this one. However, Apple has incredible security. They've got the whole Apple word guessing and checking rumour sites hourly, me included, and nobody actually knows anything--the same thing happened with the G5, nobody really knew anything until about four days before the release. Incredible.

Second, and warning, Canadian content ahead, how can a party with an oxymoronic (progressive conservative!??) name even exist? Do they still exist? Or did the Western Aliens take 'em over? I'm from Alberta so don't start the "east coast" conspiracy theory smack.

Time to check some more rumour sites now...

Security? True.

Here's another rumor.

The leak that happened earlier this year was traced to Apple Canada and Steve Jobs canned the two Marketing VPs that were responsible. That and their Supervisor because "You're resposible for your subordinates"! No wonder people don't talk. They LIKE working at Apple. I would. That's want comes with confidentiality and non-disclosure (In all enterprise companies.)

Also -- Canadian content -- I'm suprised that Albertan's haven't heard of the PC (Tory) Gov't -- they merged with your Canadian Alliance from the West! They also ruined Ontario. Sure, they've got a 5-6 billion surplus, but they gutted Social, Public and Infrastructure services to get it. And downloaded their responsibilities to the municapalities. What kind of gov't is that?

[CmdrLaForge]

Hi,

this is what the macnewspaper shows. G4 with speed upt to 1.3 GHz. Sorry for the bad quality.

[DHagan4755]

Nice try, Jordi.

[Bruja]

I couldn't resist ;)

[crees!]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Hi,

this is what the macnewspaper shows. G4 with speed upt to 1.3 GHz. Sorry for the bad quality.

Mmmm.. okay. Can you explain alittle more the Macnewspaper? I am unfamiliar with this publication. Do you work for them and is this part of the next issue?

[DHagan4755]

It's obviously a fake. I mean, first of all, there is no need for hyphens between "All-New" and "All-Aluminum." No print professional would make such typographically incorrect mistakes. Second glaring problem is the space between the dollar sign and the price. Back to the typographic correctness. Thirdly, the Music tab on the Apple site has been changed to iTunes, and the PowerMac tower shot has been replaced by its shipping box. Further, the PowerBook 15-inch is an obvious Photoshop job. It looks like the 17, hacked into a 15. Lastly, it's an old fake because the Safari browser still has the bug in the right corner next to the Google search field, suggesting it was done with a Safari beta.

The obvious question is why would Apple use a web browser screen cap to promote a new product in a newspaper?

[crayzaysean]

OR...u could just notice how the words "powermac g4" are next to a picture of a g5.

but all ur other arguments work too i guess.:cool:

[crees!]

I agree with you all about your points made toward it being a fake.. the true question is why would anyone bother to spend the time and make such a thing as to have multiples areas of question raised about it.. You would think the creator would have paid too close attention to detail for such silly errors.

[pfonke]

Originally posted by DHagan4755
It's obviously a fake. I mean, first of all, there is no need for hyphens between "All-New" and "All-Aluminum." No print professional would make such typographically incorrect mistakes. Second glaring problem is the space between the dollar sign and the price. Back to the typographic correctness. Thirdly, the Music tab on the Apple site has been changed to iTunes, and the PowerMac tower shot has been replaced by its shipping box. Further, the PowerBook 15-inch is an obvious Photoshop job. It looks like the 17, hacked into a 15. Lastly, it's an old fake because the Safari browser still has the bug in the right corner next to the Google search field, suggesting it was done with a Safari beta.

The obvious question is why would Apple use a web browser screen cap to promote a new product in a newspaper?

All good points (some of which display LaForge's sense of humor). Except I'm running an up-to-date (I believe the hyphenation is appropriate here) version of Safari with a little bug in the corner. I got it by selecting "Bug" in the View menu.

pfonke

[cb911]

ratm, buddy! :D thanks for the info... sounds sensible to me. Keep us up to date, eh? ;)

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by crees!
I agree with you all about your points made toward it being a fake.. the true question is why would anyone bother to spend the time and make such a thing as to have multiples areas of question raised about it.. You would think the creator would have paid too close attention to detail for such silly errors.

Hi,

sure its a fake.
This fake is shown on the last page of the
http://www.macnewspaper.de/
which is a german Mac magazine. Its the edition from 08/29.

This magazine belongs to the
http://www.maclife.de
magazine which is one of the largest german mac magazines.

Sorry if I was unclear on my first post. Just wanted to share it.

Cheers
CmdrLaForge

[OutThere]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
<<[entire post]>>


I'm saving space and loading time by not quoting the entire thing but......that laptop was nasty but It was so far from anything Apple would do nowadays...now I know that you said you thought apple would give it time and get it right-agreed. My comment was that my first impression of carrying that beast around was of carrying an original Macintosh "portable" around. ewwwwww.

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by ratm
S.A.,
Only if Apple wanted to entirely lose their image of being the pinnacle of design and performance combined would they release such a monstrosity. I find it difficult to sell a Dell Latitude D800 weighing 7.8 lbs. or a Workstation M50 weighing just shy of 8 lbs. (both of them being about 2 inches thick) to people who really need so much power in a laptop. The number of both units sold combined can be count by the number of fingers you have. Heck, the 17" PowerBook barely sells enough for us to justify keeping it as a stock item, and it weighs less and consumes less space than either high-end Dell . Compare that to the sales figures of thin and light but full-sized laptops (several hundred IBM T-series laptops, a few hundred 15" PB G4's). Such a product would be DOA.
Sure, a G5 laptop could be made now, but why would you want to?


Trust me. I know. Hence the reason I said Apple isn't known for doing the kitchen sink thing.
They make laptops sexy not bulky. My point is, other then what some have said on this thread and others over the week, that it can be done. If Apple wanted to rush a product to market they could do it. But again I believe they won't unless Jobs is going psycho over Moto. When did Apple announce their previous revamp of the PowerBook series? January at some Apple event? Sorry I'm still getting a handle on all the various mac events in a year.
I’m betting that’s where we could possibly see a G5 PowerBook. Anything sooner and you’ll probably get bulk city.
Yes its pure speculation on mine and anyone else’s part at this point but I’m taking bets. :)

[Joshlew]

Originally posted by mainstreetmark

I'm going out to the barn with a never stopping pain.
I'm going out to the barn to hang myself in shame.

FINALLY! Someone else who likes the Violent Femmes...

Seriously though, Apple is doing no good to its reputation by leaving PowerBooks untouched since January.

Please, let it be a G5.....:rolleyes:

[Powerbook G5]

I have personally given up on getting a new 15" PowerBook. I have already left for school two days ago and I am at my grandparent's house a day away from the college, so now I am just going to stick to my trusty PowerBook G3 for at least one more semester and perhaps wait until Christmas break. It's already given me nearly 4 1/2 years of perfect use and 2 years of college use, so one more semester won't kill me. It's probably better this way, too. It's all but a given that by Christmas break the new PowerBook G4 will be out, that it will have Panther pre-installed, and by then, there should be much stronger and more belieavable rumors/info about upcoming PowerBook G5s to either know to wait another month or two or to just get the current one at a great rate with Panther included. It sounds like the best bet to me. Here's to another half a year of service for my PowerBook G3, let it live long and prosper.

[tizza]

Originally posted by crees!
I agree with you all about your points made toward it being a fake.. the true question is why would anyone bother to spend the time and make such a thing as to have multiples areas of question raised about it.. You would think the creator would have paid too close attention to detail for such silly errors.
The very fact the creator put it as a low quality image, with the *reason* being that it was from a newspaper, shows that they didn't have a lot of time to pay attention to details! Was good for a laugh though :)

[PHGN]

MY TWO CENTS on:

G5s in the PowerBooks and Xserves

Oh Please Let Them Be!
Realisticly though --
Does anyone actualy have power dissapation figure for the G5s yet? The 9 fans dont mean much, neither do the big heat sinks: the case needs to be wide enough for full size PCI cards and HDDs, so there is plenty of space over the processors; might as well bolt on as large a heat sink as posible. The fans are stated to run at extra low speeds to keep noise down.

The obvious choise for the next G5 bassed machine is the X-serve.
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Many server apps already 64bit, easily ported to X.
X-serves run OSX Server, and its easier to switch that to a 64Bit OS than the main OS -- which has legacy suport considerations (Why Panther can't be 64Bit).
X-Serves are Apple's most recent expansion -- they've done Desktops and Laptops for ever, but the X-sereves are a recent venture, and a major new market for Apple. And best of all its probably easier to get server customers to switch to Mac than desktop ones -- UNIX compatibility does matter and the'll probably be buying a new system at once rather than a few new machines.
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That said server customers can't tolerate bugs -- so there is some reason to wait a while and let the chip prove itself.
So X-serves get 2nd gen G5s?

There are several factors with laptops that cause real problems.
Limitid power supply (the battery) and cooling resticions due to the form factor. The latter is made worse by the fact that you cant bolt in a bunch of fans to make up because A) air vents are too easily blocked by clothing etc. B) fans draw power so back to the battery problem. Form factor also necessitates carefull design of Mobo and layout of componants like HDD and optical drive.

X-serves share the second probem to some extent: 1U rules out big heatsinks and requires a flat layout Just like laptops. Develop one, and it will make developing the other easier. Which one comes first? Xserve is easier to design (no battery, bigger case, no screen) but must be 'better' (more reliable -- near zero fault tollerence for servers nowadays).

I reckon one more generation of G4s in the Powerbooks; if only because the G5s will require a complete internal redesign. X-serveG5 probably berfore PBG5, but only after the G5 has been up and running for a while.

Which leads me on to:

The VT Cluster:

First of all: look at the numbers. 1100 is a nice order for Apple; and enough for them to do special things (ie unusual spec) but compared to the total number of orders its hardly going to cause a delay. If anything the size of the order and it's intended application would cause Apple to handle the VT order seperatly from the normal orders. IE they're not getting your dualie they're getting their special dualie.

Chances are the culster was one of the very first orders, and probably was made before the G5 was announced.

Of course Apple will treet VT rather well -- so they should. It will be great advertising for them and also great research -- I'd put money on the fact that Apple will be watching the culster closely for anything that will be relavent for future use of the G5 -- IE G5 X-Serves and Culster X-Serves. See above.

SteveNote at Paris

Last year no SteveNote: Software announcements mainly.
Next big software announcement from apple will probably be that Panther is shipping. Not that big an announcement realy. We've seen much of Panther (wittness the fact that the Panther preview pages seem to g into almost as much depth as the Jag pages on the website) at the WWDC and even there the key announcement was a bit bigger.

Jobs seems to like standing next to pretty bits of kit at keynotes -- I can still remember the photos of him smilling next to the G4 Cube. Realisticly I do expect a hardware annoucement in Paris, probably powerbooks.

Apple realy must ship the G5s before the Expo or they will look silly indeed, just as there is some logic to delaying new powerbooks untill after the G5s have shipped -- wich might expalin the 'unspecified' nature of the delays in the arival of the Powerbooks.


Anyway
sorry to have gone off topic at times -- I wasn't the first :)
sorry bout the copeus typos -- I'm using an peecee so am semi-comatosed :)
sorry about the length -- verbose mode you see :)

[gadg]

Just decided to drive down to Paris for the Sept. 16th keynote and stroll around the Apple Expo. Why not, right :-) Hopefully, Steve will be announcing a G5 Powerbook 12" and iPod peripherals (as dreamed about before (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=468517#post468517)) so I can return to Amsterdam with a big smile on my face.

If he doesn't, I think I'll just get a secondhand G4/867 12" ... saves me 1000 euro's off a new one. And then I'll just wait for 2nd/3rd gen G5 Powerbooks.

[DHagan4755]

Apple will not be announcing PowerBooks with G5's. I would really love for that to happen, though. There have been arguments pro and con on this very point. And I think those who are thinking they will be G5's are setting themselves up for a serious let down.

[Bruja]

looks like you're gonna be going 2nd hand buddy. The powerbook will probably be released Christmas 2003 or availible to the market by that time. Even if Mr. Jobs announce the release of the new/old powerbook in France, do you really think that it be availible to the consumers by the end of the Month?? The G-5 Powermac was availible for consumers a significant amount of time after he "released it". If there is a G-5 Powerbook (heh) I would'nt count on it until March 2004?

[bingobingo]

ok, not to add more fuel to the flame, but speaking of hot, has anyone dreaming about g5 powerbooks laid their palm on a g4 12" or 17"??? They're hot enough to fry bacon on! if i had to venture a guess i'd imagine before apple upgrades powerbooks to a g5, they need to turn down the temperature on the ones they've got! or at least move the location of the hard drive back to where it is on the tibook. i can't imagine anything hotter then the aluminum ones out there now.

[crees!]

Originally posted by bingobingo
ok, not to add more fuel to the flame, but speaking of hot, has anyone dreaming about g5 powerbooks laid their palm on a g4 12" or 17"??? They're hot enough to fry bacon on! if i had to venture a guess i'd imagine before apple upgrades powerbooks to a g5, they need to turn down the temperature on the ones they've got! or at least move the location of the hard drive back to where it is on the tibook. i can't imagine anything hotter then the aluminum ones out there now.

Take a look around and read all the other posts. Heat is not an issue.

[TWinbrook46636]

It would be a wonderful surprise if they announce a new PowerBook G5 lineup at Apple Expo Paris but I really wouldn't get my hopes up. It's much more likely that Motorola has once again dropped the ball. One rumor that really scares me is that they couldn't provide Apple with sufficient quantities of the new 1.0 Ghz and 1.3 Ghz 7457 chips until January~February so Apple, knowing that customers are not going to stand for it any longer, had to go back and redesign the PowerBook logicboards for these 1.0 Ghz and 1.25 Ghz 7455 chips so they have something to release this year. This would certainly cause a significant delay. I hope it's not true but knowing Motorola it very well could be.