Another Week, Another PowerBook Rumor?

[MacRumors]

At risk of drawing the ire of the rumor-faithful, it seems a few stars have aligned again amongst the whispers of rumors across the net.

MacBidouille claims that they were told from several souces to check Apple's website on Monday... presumably hinting at an update of sorts... unfortunately, they have no more details.

Meanwhile, Apple "We are not a rumor site" Turns chimes in with a "recklessly unconfirmed" rumor that the iPod may hit 40GB -- also as early as Monday. While mostly a satirical site, Apple Turns does occasionally play in the rumor-sandbox -- despite their most adamant denials. :)

Finally, AppleInsider publishes a small blurb claiming G4 PowerBooks as early as next week -- but dissenting a bit with the 9th (Tuesday) or 10th (Wednesday) as possible dates. Their notes confirm some previous notes but place the speed of the 15" at 1.25GHz, and adds a few minor case revisions to the mix.

Other items expected from Apple (but without a known timeframe) include iPod Peripherals and an Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse.

[freaky57]

Perhaps the New Powermac G6? Expected delivery date 2010?
OMG! AGGH! I just want the DAMN Dual G5!! Per my order back will ya!@ I NEEEEEEEEEEEEED IT NOW!
I dont care about stupid bluetooth mouse or keyboard or crap about updates! At least give me a new powerbook that will be in my hands before Christmas! MacBidouille is like 99% wrong anyway.

Trust me with all the predicts they have made wrong I could have guessed more right. Oh Yeah we'll see... Monday Yeah Right...

Okay I have my composure back, sorry about that little ranting and raving I just want to cry...9/2 pushed back to 9/23 this really sucks. The part that is really bad is that there is a 100% chance that I will check the Apple site Monday just in case... :(

[two_tail]

Maybe it's time for the iPod Peripherals (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030824044627.shtml)? This certainly seems possible. Many people waiting for the new iTrip know that at least one of the reasons for the wait is a forthcoming iPod Software Update. This would be a good time!

Also, it could even be the Bluetooth-base Wireless Mouse and Keyboard (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/09/20030904135020.shtml), though this could be doubtful if 10.2.6 does not currently have support for it. Of course, if 10.2.7 is released the same day then that would be possible.

My personal hope would be an announcement as to exactly what is going on with the dual-processor G5 delays! :D

P.S. When I was trying to get in contact with the ADC Hardware Purchase Program I was informed (via answering machine) that everyone there was in a day-long meeting. Maybe this is part of it? :rolleyes:

[pyrotoaster]

Interesting.

But that's all this is.

[Sun Baked]

Hmm...

Wrong about what?

Does this mean that Motorola is ready with the 7457s, or that Apple will go ahead and release a 7455 rev3.4 machine rather than hope Motorola will be ready in October.

[Puppies]

*SIGH*

Oh well, at least I have something to YET AGAIN pretend to look forward to. Technically every week that goes by, it gets more and more likely we'll see an update.

Unfortunatly now I'm less sure about buying a PowerBook than I was two months ago. Because of what I use it for, I'm actually thinking an x86 notebook would by the more logical choice :( But I've basically decided to at least wait for Apple to update before I make up my mind.

[AppleMatt]

I hope it's the keyboard and mouse, although I doubt it, as the last 10.2.7 build still had bugs in it.

Maybe it will be updated Safari and iSync, as development on those has slowed to a halt.

AppleMatt

[aafuss1]

Maybe it could be a long awaited new version of AppleWorks or they could it call it iWorks (MS had a new version of its Works package out last year)

[applemacdude]

Nothing. All the stuff is comin' out in the Paris Expo

[bennetsaysargh]

i swear i will kill someone at apple if it is just a software update. :mad:

hopefully it will be and iPod AM/FM radio with microphone.

[trog]

Originally posted by freaky57
I just want the DAMN Dual G5!!

I hear ya. As far as I'm concerned now, Apple should shut up, close shop and just finish what they already started.
Take the iPod group, and the software group, give them some tools and get them on that G5 production line!
Gimme my order already, its going on three months. If I hear one more time from some Apple exec about how "The G5s are shipping..." I'm going to kick someone in the nuts.:p

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
i swear i will kill someone at apple if it is just a software update.

No don't do that.
It's illegal.

AppleMatt

[bennetsaysargh]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
No don't do that.
It's illegal.

AppleMatt

lol. the next time i will update my computer's software is when panther comes out. i won't upgrade. it will already be built for panther anyway.

[bennetsaysargh]

Meanwhile Apple Turns reports a "recklesly unconfirmed" rumor that iPods may hit 40GB on Monday.

argh! there is no 40GB iPod! there wont be a 40GB iPod unless the sky is always purple.

i dont want a 40GB iPod. that is the same size as my computer''s hard drive.
some people still have 20GB. do you want more space on you iPod than you laptop or even desktop? i think maybe, but 40GB now is too soon.

[MrMacMan]

Hehehe.

Wait, the people who make the drives, have they made a 40 GB one yet?


I mean that is how we knew it last time.

:o

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
argh! there is no 40GB iPod! there wont be a 40GB iPod unless the sky is always purple.

i dont want a 40GB iPod. that is the same size as my computer''s hard drive.
some people still have 20GB. do you want more space on you iPod than you laptop or even desktop? i think maybe, but 40GB now is too soon.

So what! Apple has to stay competitive in the MP3 player market. The other guys have 60GB hard drives for a lot less money (yes they are inferior in quality though). This would be great if apple upgraded their capacity across the board. Progress is a good thing.

--Waluigi

[DHagan4755]

This one seemingly just in from Apple Insider news blurb (http://www.appleinsider.com/news/) posted a few hours ago.

7:02PM EST
Apple may announce and start taking orders for a revamped line of PowerBook G4s as early as next week, one source tells AppleInsider. The tip comes amongst recent recent rumors that have pin-pointed Motorola for failing to deliver sufficient quantities of the PowerPC 7457 to support a successful product launch.
According to the source, Apple management feels that supplies of the faster chips are now ample and the new units could full-fill backorders and be shipping in quantity by mid to late September. Included in the new breed of PowerBooks is said to be a 1.25 GHz aluminum 15" model that sports a back-lit keyboard, ports on the side (as opposed to the rear), and an updated track pad and mouse button.

Sources could not confirm a date or time for the official announcement, but did mention September 9th or 10th as likely candidates. It should be noted that the deployment schedule for the aforementioned units has slipped several times over the past month, while channel inventory of several configurations has remained depleted. Meanwhile, the initial packaging and marketing material for the new portables was said to have been completed over a month ago.

[AppleMatt]

updated track pad and mouse button.

Well I'm sold.

AppleMatt

[spudnik187]

It is a 40 GB iPod. I can guarantee it will happen. I heard it from a very reliable source within Apple. I'm not saying that there won't be a PB announcement or other new announcements. They could happen as well, but I know for sure there will be 40 GB iPods. Sweet!

[spudnik187]

Forgot to mention I was going to post this on Tuesday, but have not had the time until tonight.

[Puppies]

LOL! Yeah, screw the Radeon 9600 or Geforce 5650, I want an updated track pad!

Err, actually I won't even use the trackpad :D

[iJon]

i wish apple would put a itty bitty bluetooth chip on the ipod, wow i can only imagine how cool that would be.

iJon

[bennetsaysargh]

maybe it can plug into the bottom of it. then it could make it easier. i would love that.

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by iJon
i wish apple would put a itty bitty bluetooth chip on the ipod, wow i can only imagine how cool that would be.

iJon
AHHHHH!!!
What would you use the bluetooth for?!?! Bluetooth is very, very slow. Slower than USB 1.1. Why on earth would you want it? I guess maybe for syncing notes and contacts, I'll give you that much.

A while ago, way back before iPod 3G, there was leaked data about a 40GB drive from Toshiba, I believe, who made all the drives before that.

[PowerBook User]

Originally posted by DHagan4755
This one seemingly just in from Apple Insider news blurb (http://www.appleinsider.com/news/) posted a few hours ago.
How would they change the trackpad and clicker? It seems fine to me. I hope they FINALLY announce the new 15" PowerBooks (even though they probably won't ship for a couple months).

[starcrossed]

Originally posted by MrMacman
Hehehe.

Wait, the people who make the drives, have they made a 40 GB one yet?


I mean that is how we knew it last time.

:o

If am a correct, in the months leading to the unvieiling of the new 3g iPods in April, didn't Toshiba announce on their website that they had created a 40GB harddrive, with the same specs as the HDs used in the iPod. So everyone was announcing this was assurance that the iPod in April with feature 40GB models, but it didn't happen. My guess is that Apple has these HDs stocked away for a time later than the April release date. In a buisness sense, they figured lets take our time expanding the HD sizes so we won't get too ahead of ourselves. Release a 10, 15, and 30GB models, then later release 15, 30, and 40GB models. Give Toshiba an edge to create a larger HD capacity. So even though, I'm not quite sure to trust AppleTurns source, 40GBs will come, if not Monday, then soon, possibly at the upcoming Expo in Paris, or certainly MacWorld SF 04. That's my take.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by spudnik187
It is a 40 GB iPod. I can guarantee it will happen. I heard it from a very reliable source within Apple. I'm not saying that there won't be a PB announcement or other new announcements. They could happen as well, but I know for sure there will be 40 GB iPods. Sweet!

You sound like Macwhispers from back in the spring.

[bobisbob]

why would apple announce any new hardware when Steve Jobs is doing a keynote the following week? He's gotta have something to talk about. And being the showman that he is he'll want it to be something people have been waiting for.

[ImAlwaysRight]

* Sigh * Another week, another Powerbook rumor...

[PowerBook User]

Originally posted by bobisbob
why would apple announce any new hardware when Steve Jobs is doing a keynote the following week? He's gotta have something to talk about. And being the showman that he is he'll want it to be something people have been waiting for.
I'd have to agree. It's possible new hardware will be announced next week, but not likely. Let's hope it's the new 15" PowerBooks. What else have people been wanting updated more?

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by MrMacman
Wait, the people who make the drives, have they made a 40 GB one yet?

No, it's two 20GB drives with a RAID 0 controller !

[justytylor]

Originally posted by AidenShaw
No, it's two 20GB drives with a RAID 0 controller !

You know, you can do that now right? Just plug two iPods into a firewire hub and choose the discs in DiskUtility and software raid them. If it can be done with USB floppy drives... (http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm)

[iJon]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
AHHHHH!!!
What would you use the bluetooth for?!?! Bluetooth is very, very slow. Slower than USB 1.1. Why on earth would you want it? I guess maybe for syncing notes and contacts, I'll give you that much.

A while ago, way back before iPod 3G, there was leaked data about a 40GB drive from Toshiba, I believe, who made all the drives before that.
no, i would want it so you can use it in your car without connecting anything.

iJon

[ozlow]

Apple will release new powerbooks on monday, and new new powerbooks following week. Don't you see....Apple is screwing with our heads.

If they release the new powerbook monday, don't be sucker, and buy one right away. Wait for the new new powerbook on the 16th.

[jamesatzones]

Bring on the updates, we've been out of the 15" and 12" for some time now, but then so has the channel! iPods, 40gb, if true I'll have to pick up one of the first out there, 10GB was once to big but seems so small now...

[job]

Has Apple Turns ever been wrong on a rumor?

[psxndc]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
AHHHHH!!!
What would you use the bluetooth for?!?! Bluetooth is very, very slow. Slower than USB 1.1. Why on earth would you want it? I guess maybe for syncing notes and contacts, I'll give you that much.


Bluetooth remote. Bluetooth headphones/handsfree. Ideally ones that would mute when your bluetooth phone rang, pausing the ipod until your call ended. I wish.

-p

[macphoria]

Enough with this. Forget G4 15" Aluminium PowerBook. Instead, speed up the release of G5 15" PowerBook!

[esheep2001]

Oh come on! It's obvious!

Apple will announce the PB updates on Monday. They'll also announce speed bumps for the rest of the mac product line.

At Paris, SJ will unveil all the new bluetooth goodies, including a headset for the newly announced iPod rev 4. He will also announce the new Apple vPod (a video version of the iPod) and Apple pPod phone. These will all interact with the new bluetooth accessories and the pPod will have a special remote coffee monitoring facility that allows you to track the progress of your filter machine whilst out of the office via the newly announced cPod accessory.

And one more thing... :-)

The all new Apple Blueton. Yes a bluetooth enabled Newton update that is seemlessly integrated with the new pPod allowing instant hi-res access to all your favourite pr0n^H^H^H^Hweb sites.

Oh, and of course everyone will have received their G5's by then, I will have won the lottery and the alien invasion will have truly begun in earnest.

:-)

e.

[macphoria]

Oh, and of course everyone will have received their G5's by then, I will have won the lottery and the alien invasion will have truly begun in earnest.
And Godzilla will defend the earth against alien invaders.

AWWW COME ON! Where is 15" Aluminium PowerBook?!!!!!

[kristianm]

Originally posted by esheep2001
At Paris, SJ will unveil all the new bluetooth goodies, including a headset for the newly announced iPod rev 4. He will also announce the new Apple vPod (a video version of the iPod) and Apple pPod phone. These will all interact with the new bluetooth accessories and the pPod will have a special remote coffee monitoring facility that allows you to track the progress of your filter machine whilst out of the office via the newly announced cPod accessory.

I have my eyes on the pPod, which is actually a suit connected to your loved one far away using AirportExtreme. Steve said that he has used it himself, and that everyone at Apple is using it now.

[macphoria]

Seriously folks. They said this will be "Year of the Laptops." Now this so called "Year of the Laptops" doesn't have many months left and all we are hearing is delays. What could Apple possibly do to make it up to us?

[sushi]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
i swear i will kill someone at apple if it is just a software update.
No, don't do that -- it will slow the G5 production line even more! :D

Sushi

[cb911]

Originally posted by ozlow
Apple will release new powerbooks on monday, and new new powerbooks following week. Don't you see....Apple is screwing with our heads.

If they release the new powerbook monday, don't be sucker, and buy one right away. Wait for the new new powerbook on the 16th.

LOL! :D yeah, that sounds like something like i'd do. :P :)

Originally posted by job

Has Apple Turns ever been wrong on a rumor?

He he. okay, you must be kind of a n00b. :D j/k. :P would you trust a recklessly uncomfirmed rumor coming from someone in a blue tux, running around with a pineapple? of course not, they even said it themselves, never trust people with pineapples. ha ha, that reminds me of Littel Nicky, man i love that movie. "Ok Hitler, choose a pineapple. No, too small... that's more like it..." :eek: :D

the new Blueton, you heard it first from esheep2001

The all new Apple Blueton. Yes a bluetooth enabled Newton update that is seemlessly integrated with the new pPod allowing instant hi-res access to all your favourite pr0n^H^H^H^Hweb sites.

w00t!! :D 1 l1k3 7h3 s0und of 7h47!! :D

now i'm all readied for new 15" AlBooks on Monday!!! w00t! w00t!! :D

[F/reW/re]

A woman in a Apple resellerstore in Europe said to a guy I know that he should wait to get his PowerBook because it's a new comming pretty soon! Around 16th is the date she gave.
If it's thrue i dont know, but why would she tell if it was not thrue?

[bikertwin]

Hey maybe the new trackpad has--ohmigod, are you ready for this--two buttons! (What is the world coming to?) Or maybe it has those new window scrolling doodads I've seen on some Intel laptops.

But what I absolutely must have is a higher screen resolution. Unfortunately it seems the rumormongers have been mute on this, other than the disappointing report that it's still a 15.2" screen. We can only hope it's an improved 15.2" screen.

A G5 is not essential. A G4 @ 1.25GHz with L3 cache and a faster frontside bus would easily be twice as fast as my 800 MHz 15" iMac, so I'll have my credit card out and ready.

[bikertwin]

The whole two-button mouse/trackpad thing really freaks Steve out. But control-clicking is incredibly annoying, especially considering just about all apps use the right mouse button nowadays.

How about a compromise, Stevie?

Why not ship a dual-button trackpad on the new PowerBooks but, by default, the right button is set up to act as a left button. This would make the two buttons appear to be a single button to a new user (and Steve). That is, a click on either button acts as a left mouse click. Then, in the Preferences, you could set up the right button to be a real right click. (Just as nowadays you can set up the trackpad to accept a tap as a click.)

This solves the problem without making it harder for anyone. Newbies get the same old (virtual) single button, but advanced users get the advantage of two buttons.

They could even make it a rocker button so that it still appears to be a single button, but a click on the left is different from a click on the right. Apple's good at that sort of trickery.:cool:

[Roller]

Originally posted by applemacdude
Nothing. All the stuff is comin' out in the Paris Expo

Not necessarily.

Why would Apple even want to announce a tepid PowerBook update at the Paris Expo, given all the pent-up frustration? Jobs would be laughed off the stage. It's more plausible that they'll announce updated G4 PowerBooks this coming week and reserve something more exciting (new iPod accessories, ITMS for Europe?) for the Expo.

I'd love to be proven wrong and see Steve launch a G5 PowerBook, but I just don't think it's gonna happen.

[Photorun]

Jack at AppleTurns reads other rumor sites and writes (great) humor based on it. Hence it's moronic at best that macrumors posts "rumor site Apple Turns..." Then again, macrumors actually doesn't itself uncover any new dirt but rehash someone elses (usually highly inaccurate) reports so I guess in some twisted Bizarro logic even Zippy would rebuke, one could loosly call AppleTurns a rumor site.

But you'd still be wrong.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Roller
Not necessarily.

Why would Apple even want to announce a tepid PowerBook update at the Paris Expo, given all the pent-up frustration? Jobs would be laughed off the stage. It's more plausible that they'll announce updated G4 PowerBooks this coming week and reserve something more exciting (new iPod accessories, ITMS for Europe?) for the Expo.

I'd love to be proven wrong and see Steve launch a G5 PowerBook, but I just don't think it's gonna happen. I'll have to agree with you on that. PB updates make sense for early next week, so that there are plenty on stock on the floor of the Expo (selling like hot cakes). I can definitely see ITMS Europe being announced and Panther orders being taken for a mid-Oct shipping date...

My 2 pennies...

[DHagan4755]

All we need now is a Think Secret story and that will pretty much seal the deal, won't it?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Photorun
Jack at AppleTurns reads other rumor sites and writes (great) humor based on it. Hence it's moronic at best that macrumors posts "rumor site Apple Turns..." Then again, macrumors actually doesn't itself uncover any new dirt but rehash someone elses (usually highly inaccurate) reports so I guess in some twisted Bizarro logic even Zippy would rebuke, one could loosly call AppleTurns a rumor site.

But you'd still be wrong.
I think the reference to AppleTurns on that MR item was just harmless humour. I could be wrong though.
But anyway, my experience with MR (which only goes back a year or so) is that their OWN rumours are quite accurate. I guess that when MR doesn't have any of those OWN rumours, they just compile other sites' items. But would you rather they stayed silent??? Outlandish rumours are always entertaining, IMHO...

[Nutzoids]

Originally posted by bikertwin
They could even make it a rocker button so that it still appears to be a single button, but a click on the left is different from a click on the right. Apple's good at that sort of trickery.:cool:



I like the way you think... Go Rocker Dual Button Mouse!

[MacIke]

Originally posted by Puppies


Unfortunatly now I'm less sure about buying a PowerBook than I was two months ago. Because of what I use it for, I'm actually thinking an x86 notebook would by the more logical choice :( But I've basically decided to at least wait for Apple to update before I make up my mind.


I have though the same thing. I am really hoping for something great in France.

[MacIke]

Originally posted by applemacdude
Nothing. All the stuff is comin' out in the Paris Expo

Do we really think that Apple will release something a mere six or seven days before a Steve keynote?

The only that may happen on Monday is a price drop to clear out the rest of anything that is left.

Where I have to admit if 17" would come down to $$$ to a 15" I would buy on the spot.... new updates be darned.

[MacIke]

Originally posted by esheep2001

I will have won the lottery and the alien invasion will have truly begun in earnest.


e.

Okay... can I borrow $10 to pay off the aliens. I mean really, i am not ready for the invasion I have nothing to wear. I must go out and by some new clothes.

[AHDuke99]

Only a matter of time before this rumor is proven false. I still think there will be G5 Powerbooks at Paris. I will not order a Powerbook G4 until they are shippig, cause with Moto, another delay is likely. I don't want to finallly get it at Thanksgiving and then at MWSF a G5 PB comes with the 90nm G5's. And Apple will do that.

[ozlow]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
A woman in a Apple resellerstore in Europe said to a guy I know that he should wait to get his PowerBook because it's a new comming pretty soon! Around 16th is the date she gave.
If it's thrue i dont know, but why would she tell if it was not thrue?

The U.S. will get them on Monday. SJ said he will bring some with him as carry-ons when he does Mac Expo Paris. He told me he's only bringing 10 and there's going to be a chaincage wrestling match to see who gets them. Should be fun to watch. They're going to show it live feed via quicktime. Can't wait.

[iJon]

Originally posted by AHDuke99
Only a matter of time before this rumor is proven false. I still think there will be G5 Powerbooks at Paris. I will not order a Powerbook G4 until they are shippig, cause with Moto, another delay is likely. I don't want to finallly get it at Thanksgiving and then at MWSF a G5 PB comes with the 90nm G5's. And Apple will do that.
lol, dont get to excited, go look at the heat sinks in the g5's, i doubt they have found a solution for those in the powerbooks yet. rumors and tech notes have already shown that these processors are too hot, and not battery and power effiecient for the powerbooks yet. but you keep waiting, hopefully it will come soon (a year)

iJon

[arn]

Originally posted by Photorun
Jack at AppleTurns reads other rumor sites and writes (great) humor based on it. Hence it's moronic at best that macrumors posts "rumor site Apple Turns..." ....

But you'd still be wrong.

For an Apple Turns fan, you're taking things surprisingly seriously. ;)

arn
Mac "We ARE a rumor site" Rumors

[yujini]

Originally posted by iJon
lol, dont get to excited, go look at the heat sinks in the g5's, i doubt they have found a solution for those in the powerbooks yet. rumors and tech notes have already shown that these processors are too hot, and not battery and power effiecient for the powerbooks yet. but you keep waiting, hopefully it will come soon (a year)

iJon

Heh again another person talking about heat/power problems with the G5.
If you've read other threads and the IBM site itself that describes the tech specs about G5, one would have realized by now that heat/power is NOT the issue to put a G5 in the powerbook.

[Bruja]

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
* Sigh * Another week, another Powerbook rumor... Le ciel tombe ! Le ciel tombe ! !

[iJon]

Originally posted by yujini
Heh again another person talking about heat/power problems with the G5.
If you've read other threads and the IBM site itself that describes the tech specs about G5, one would have realized by now that heat/power is NOT the issue to put a G5 in the powerbook.
well, i guess we can resume this next week when we will no for sure (that is if the rumors are true about powerbooks coming outsoon). but like you, i dont know anything about whats gonna happen. i just highly doubt g5 powerbooks will be ready, but we will see.

iJon

[bobindashadows]

Sorry to hijack the thread momentarily, but I've been seeing this "^H^H^H^H" a lot, what the hell is it? I used to consider myself W3l1 \/31253|) 1|\| |)4 1337 5|>34|<... but maybe I don't.

Is bluetooth fast enough to stream music? Yeah, the songs only generally go up to 320Kbps. What's the bluetooth transfer rate, and how much overhead is there? And how much would a bluetooth enabled deck cost for your car?

[arn]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
Sorry to hijack the thread momentarily, but I've been seeing this "^H^H^H^H" a lot, what the hell is it? I used to consider myself W3l1 \/31253|) 1|\| |)4 1337 5|>34|<... but maybe I don't.

^H = backspace.

arn

[PHGN]

In Paris Jobs will, of course, be announcing the new iPod. It is expected to be avalible in 4 or 6 processor configurations. Featuring a new phyc-aural wireless technology, it will beam sounds sights smells and other sensory information directly to the users mind. It is also expected to have a revolutionry case design: early reports say it is "big" and "boxy" and made from "beige plastic".

Delivery is expected to begin in "Late January*"

(*2062 -- about when Motorola have made enough G4s to relase the new Powerbook range).

[MacIke]

Originally posted by PHGN
In Paris Jobs will, ... be announcing the new iPod.... Featuring a new phyc-aural wireless technology, it will beam sounds sights smells and other sensory information directly to the users mind....
Delivery is expected to begin in "Late January*"


I am personally waiting till the ipod can read my thoughts and play the song I want at that moment.

That should be in the June annoucment.

[PHGN]

Originally posted by bikertwin
The whole two-button mouse/trackpad thing really freaks Steve out. But control-clicking is incredibly annoying, especially considering just about all apps use the right mouse button nowadays.
How about a compromise, Stevie?
.......................
They could even make it a rocker button so that it still appears to be a single button, but a click on the left is different from a click on the right. Apple's good at that sort of trickery.:cool:

Mmmm.....

I was thinking along the same lines -- with the current Pro mouseis sould be easy-- two micro switches and a different hinge design.

Otherwise you wind up having to buy an aftermarked mouse or trackball.
Microsoft make some nice ones. :)

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by yujini
Heh again another person talking about heat/power problems with the G5.
If you've read other threads and the IBM site itself that describes the tech specs about G5, one would have realized by now that heat/power is NOT the issue to put a G5 in the powerbook.
Talking just about the processor is pointless. The G5 comes with a new chipset, a new type of RAM, a faster memory bus, etc... Do you have more information than we do, to be so adamant about power/heat issues of the G5 in the PB? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a PBG5, but let's remember that we are just speculating here.

L8rz!!

[chazmox]

Originally posted by MacIke
Do we really think that Apple will release something a mere six or seven days before a Steve keynote?

The only that may happen on Monday is a price drop to clear out the rest of anything that is left.

Where I have to admit if 17" would come down to $$$ to a 15" I would buy on the spot.... new updates be darned.

If Apple has been ready to pull the trigger for several weeks now on a new PB and is just waiting for yields of the 7457 to build to an acceptable level, then I would bet that Apple would not wait until Paris.

Powerbooks are a very respectable part of Apple's revenue and that revenue may have a shortfall this quarter if the low stocks at resellers and distributors are of any guide. Therefore, if they wait for Paris they only get 2 weeks of sales in this quarter and if they release this Monday they get three weeks. One extra week may not be much, but it IS 50% more than if they released in Paris and may be enough of a motivation to release as early as possible!

If Jobs has Panther, ITMS Europe and new iMacs to talk about then this may be enough for Paris.

BTW, I think NicoMan has it right. I see many time where people make a chain of speculation and then claim that they have proved something. There are alot of possibilities to have a G5 PB happen now - there are alot more that have it happen later. Just because we can speculate on a chain of events doesn't mean it's true or even likely...

[yujini]

Well I was talking about the processor's power/heat issue.
excluding all the other factors.
I never said the next pb will have the G5. Though I hope it does, I'm sure the possibility is very low.

[crayzaysean]

the ram would be the same ddr ram in use now, it would just be implemented differently.

[nagromme]

Apple, please do NOT boost the resolution. Cramming tinier pixels in is a good thing for a very small number of users. But for most people--even those who like the "sound" of 1600x1200--tiny pixels just means eyestrain if you use your laptop for hours at a time.

Higher res would be fine as an option, if Apple can afford to make that many different screens. But ONLY as an option--higher res should not be standard.

People sitting at my 1024x768 14" G3 all say the UI and text is too small. All current PowerBooks have even smaller pixels than that already. That's OK, it fits more windows--but don't take things to an extreme!

[bennetsaysargh]

i cant stand anything but 1024x768 on my imac. it's a crt one, so its the max. i find it odd how the 12" ibook and the 14 inch ibook both have a max resolution of 1024x768

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by nagromme
Cramming tinier pixels in is a good thing for a very small number of users.

And a good thing for those who can adjust the system font size so that they get the same size text - just sharper and crisper!

And, more important, the higher resolution screen is much better for those photos from your 4 or 5 megapixel digital camera.

-as

ps: Very happy owner of Dell D600 with 14" 1400x1050 screen....

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by NicoMan
Talking just about the processor is pointless. The G5 comes with a new chipset, a new type of RAM, a faster memory bus, etc... Do you have more information than we do, to be so adamant about power/heat issues of the G5 in the PB? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a PBG5, but let's remember that we are just speculating here.

L8rz!!

You are right and wrong all in the same paragraph. Faster memory bus doesn't mean you HAVE to have a 1GHZ bus in a G5 PowerBook; even a 400Mhz bus would do. New RAM??!!? The only difference between the RAM used in the 17” PowerBooks and the G5 is the speed. (333Mhz vs 400Mhz.) Heck looking at the specs sheet for the G5 on Apple’s site reveals that the 1.6Ghz G5 is using PC2700 333Mhz DDR SDRAM the exact same type of RAM used in the 17” PowerBook. The only thing IMHO that needs to be designed from the ground up is the chipset and mainboard. This is why I personally doubt that we are going to see a G5 based PowerBook until Spring. (Pick your event where its going to be announced at.) You also have other issues to worry about. Specifically battery life. Something everyone who talks G5 laptops avoids. Yes the G5 at lower clock speeds eats less power but that doesn’t mean you can slap a G5 CPU and its support chips in a case and call it ready to ship. There is A LOT of fine tuning going on to tweak the system. Heck on my Dell laptop I’ve seen battery life performance increase simply by flashing the BIOS to the latest version. If anything is holding back a G5 notebook I’m willing to bet it’s the development process of these components.
What I’m wondering if in addition to the chipset if Apple and IBM may be in the process of tweaking the CPU for laptop batter life. Consider this for a second. Wasn’t the 970 specifically built for Apple? Would it be totally out the realm of possibility that while designing the 970 Apple requested a parallel track for a scaled down version for the PowerBook Line? *shrugs* Just a thought.

[true777]

Has anyone considered that the announcement might be for a G5 XServe?
Oracle World is starting - wouldn't this seem like a good time to finally announce this? I mean, who would still buy a G4 XServe now?

Plus, this would be something Jobs wouldn't want to announce in Paris, which is much more of a consumer-oriented event, with less interest in servers.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Pick your event where its going to be announced at.
Hmm I'd say January MWSF (you need a keynote for that) rather than a special event like the one for the new iPods and ITMS. Just my feeling. In typical fashion, SJ will announce availability 1 or 2 months later and ppl will get them at the end of those 2 months (shall we say end of march or something?), like the 17" PB and the PMG5s....

Speculation, speculation... *sigh*

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
You are right and wrong all in the same paragraph.
I hate to admit it, but you are right. (Mental note: I should think before I write, not after...)

[MacIke]

Originally posted by chazmox
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Powerbooks are a very respectable part of Apple's revenue and that revenue may have a shortfall this quarter if the low stocks at resellers and distributors are of any guide. Therefore, if they wait for Paris they only get 2 weeks of sales in this quarter and if they release this Monday they get three weeks. One extra week may not be much, but it IS 50% more than if they released in Paris and may be enough of a motivation to release as early as possible!


Okay... I did not consider that aspect. I would agree to a point. And that would be those who have been waiting (me) are going to buy on day one. I take my CC with me to school everyday (I teach and normally do not carry CC with me) just in case they are released that day. I will order as soon as I find out. So one week may not make that much differance.

Though for business situations it may.
Wk 1 Computer comes out. Convince boss
wk 2 - fill out paperwork.
wk 3 - order that puppy.

So you may be correct and you do have a REALLY GOOD point. So I hope you are correct.

[patmcfar8]

40 GB iPods
iTunes for Europe!

Updated iMacs
New Pro BT keyboards
New Pro BT mouse with (gasp) 2 buttons and a scroll wheel!

And an official release date for Panther.

'nuff said.

[macphoria]

40 GB iPods
iTunes for Europe!

Updated iMacs
New Pro BT keyboards
New Pro BT mouse with (gasp) 2 buttons and a scroll wheel!

And an official release date for Panther.

'nuff said.
I'll settle for 2 button + scroll wheel mouse.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by iJon
no, i would want it so you can use it in your car without connecting anything.

Bluetooth couldn't even do that. It's not fast enough to transmit high-quality audio in real time.

Originally posted by bobisbob
why would apple announce any new hardware when Steve Jobs is doing a keynote the following week? He's gotta have something to talk about. And being the showman that he is he'll want it to be something people have been waiting for.

If he announces a non-G5 PowerBook at Expo, he's going to be lynched. Better to get the disappointing news out quickly than to let it wait for a big event.

Originally posted by iJon
lol, dont get to excited, go look at the heat sinks in the g5's, i doubt they have found a solution for those in the powerbooks yet. rumors and tech notes have already shown that these processors are too hot, and not battery and power effiecient for the powerbooks yet. but you keep waiting, hopefully it will come soon (a year)

The 1.2 GHz G5 is comparable in wattage and heat to current incarnations of the G4. It is possible.

[DHagan4755]

This is posted over at the SpyMac forums. I know, I know, Spymac, but FWIW.......

Hey guys, i have a friend who works for springboard media in philadelphia, this is a small store that deals with all apple stuff, but they are not an official apple store. Now im not saying that i am god and know for sure that they are coming, but, he said tomorrow they are getting an ''unknown'' shipment of new keyboards and powerbooks and he says most likely its new powerbooks and not old ones because they have been out of powerbooks for some time now. So this could be a possibility but im not 100% sure by any means. Feel free to flame if you must. Just putting my 2 cents in on the subject matter.

[chazmox]

Not sure if you all have seen this but MacB is reporting that 50,000 7457 processors were shipped to Apple assembly plants last week... read about it here...

http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-09-7

[cing2x]

but wouldn't it be unusual to announce and have available new products on the same day? i mean, to be able to walk into a store and pick it up?

[macphoria]

So this week it is then? Coming Tuesday?

[tizza]

As long as the things are shipping the next couple of weeks I'm happy! I don't even care anymore if it's a G5, G4 or heck what color the thing is ... I JUST WANT ONE OF THE DAMN THINGS NOW!!!;)

[Dont Hurt Me]

it is time for a update and watch the imac next.

[cb911]

okay, so it's Monday now and i've checked the Apple site. hhmmm... nothing new yet. oh well, they might do it later.

and there still hope for AppleInsider! Tuesday or Wednesday as possible dates for a G4 PowerBook release. cool...:D but i guess they won't be available immediately or we'd have heard of unmarked boxes being delivered to Apple Stores.

yeah, it's got to be this Tuesday... or next Tuesday (Expo Paris). These couple of weeks have to be definite winners! :D

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by cb911
okay, so it's Monday now and i've checked the Apple site. hhmmm... nothing new yet. oh well, they might do it later.

and there still hope for AppleInsider! Tuesday or Wednesday as possible dates for a G4 PowerBook release. cool...:D but i guess they won't be available immediately or we'd have heard of unmarked boxes being delivered to Apple Stores.

yeah, it's got to be this Tuesday... or next Tuesday (Expo Paris). These couple of weeks have to be definite winners! :D

It's Sunday evening back in the Pacific Time Zone. Maybe you should check the Apple site on Monday, when it's Monday at Apple :)

[macphoria]

yeah, it's got to be this Tuesday... or next Tuesday (Expo Paris). These couple of weeks have to be definite winners!
At this point, I'm expecting nothing, hoping for nothing. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, hurry up Apple!

[cb911]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It's Sunday evening back in the Pacific Time Zone. Maybe you should check the Apple site on Monday, when it's Monday at Apple :)

good idea. so it's Monday now right? it's got to be at least 8:30 in the moring now! :confused:

[Analog Kid]

Originally posted by Puppies
*SIGH*
Oh well, at least I have something to YET AGAIN pretend to look forward to. Technically every week that goes by, it gets more and more likely we'll see an update.


You're falling victim to the "gamblers falacy"... It's like playing craps and saying that with each roll that goes by, it's more likely the next roll is a 7. The odds don't, in fact, change...

You'd be right for most engineering efforts, but I think this is best modeled as a random process.

[macphoria]

According to buyersguide.macrumors.com, PowerBook AND iMac are due for update. Which one do you think will get an update first?

Personally, I think PowerBook will have to be first because they wouldn't want to release iMac that has faster processor than PowerBook. Maybe they'll update them both at the same time?

I wonder what they could possibly update on iMac besides processors? New case? BlueTooth and FireWire 800? Wireless keyboard and mouse?

[bennetsaysargh]

its monday morning here in new york, but its not updated yet:(
i should keep in mind that its only 6 am here:p

what time does apple usually update thier front page? please tell me the time zone also. thanks:)

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by macphoria
According to buyersguide.macrumors.com, PowerBook AND iMac are due for update. Which one do you think will get an update first?

Personally, I think PowerBook will have to be first because they wouldn't want to release iMac that has faster processor than PowerBook. Maybe they'll update them both at the same time?

I wonder what they could possibly update on iMac besides processors? New case? BlueTooth and FireWire 800? Wireless keyboard and mouse?
MacBidouille kind of says PBs and otherwise there is talk of the iMacs. I'd like to see both updated, but then what would SJ talk about in Paris. ITMS and iPod refresh are not enough for a Keynote. What do you think?
BTW, the UK Apple Store is currently down...

[NoPrideELF]

ooohh, all the apple stores are down! it's too exciting to think about!

[MacIke]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
its monday morning here in new york, but its not updated yet:(
i should keep in mind that its only 6 am here:p

what time does apple usually update thier front page? please tell me the time zone also. thanks:)


Well it is 7:11 in Chicago (I am in MN) so 5:11 in Appleland. They are updating right now.

[NoPrideELF]

hmmm, everybody stopped posting. They must be doing SOMEthing else....... what could it be........what could it be. You guys wouldn't be shamelessly refreshing the apple store over and over again hoping to be the first with a new powerbook would you??

[NoPrideELF]

imacs, shoot me now

[Bruja]

It is 9:08 EST in Michigan and I did find what the update to the appl site was. The new iPod and it goes for $500. What was curious was the fact that the 30Gb was gone, so could this mean that appl might do the samething w/ the Pbk. lines as well??? At anyrate, I'm wating for the iTri-corder w/the .5 GigaQuad memory that includes all the life forms encountred by Starfleet Medical ;)

btw: No POWERBOOK, NO PURCHASE!!

[Bruja]

Originally posted by macphoria
AWWW COME ON! Where is 15" Aluminium PowerBook?!!!!! "Non PowerBook por vous!!" - French Powerbook Nazi

[brucku]

Originally posted by bikertwin
The whole two-button mouse/trackpad thing really freaks Steve out. But control-clicking is incredibly annoying, especially considering just about all apps use the right mouse button nowadays.

How about a compromise, Stevie?

Why not ship a dual-button trackpad on the new PowerBooks but, by default, the right button is set up to act as a left button. This would make the two buttons appear to be a single button to a new user (and Steve). That is, a click on either button acts as a left mouse click. Then, in the Preferences, you could set up the right button to be a real right click. (Just as nowadays you can set up the trackpad to accept a tap as a click.)

This solves the problem without making it harder for anyone. Newbies get the same old (virtual) single button, but advanced users get the advantage of two buttons.

They could even make it a rocker button so that it still appears to be a single button, but a click on the left is different from a click on the right. Apple's good at that sort of trickery.:cool:


That is an incredible idea!!!

[PHGN]

New iMacs -- could this be where the delivery of new G4s mentoined above are going? DO they use the same chips as the PBs?

[PHGN]

Has anyone else seen the peecee friendly beige box navigation on the iPod pages. No cool metal effect.

Good news, though. Two of the three expected updates have been delt with before Paris

Let this mean that the other one's an exciting one. If you catch my drift.

[machem]

Have Powerbooks ever had a lower speed than iMacs? Frankly, I haven't paid that close attention, but I think that's probably because iMacs have always been either a processor ahead of the iMac, or fast in GHz.

This makes me think that PB updates next week (I mean, c'mon! It has to be next week!) will be at least 1.33 GHz. Or.... NO! ...must ... not ... jinx the announcement...

[Phil Of Mac]

I just bought an iPod. Well, I'm NOT trading it back for the extra 5 GHz!

[nickfit]

Originally posted by Analog Kid
You're falling victim to the "gamblers falacy"... It's like playing craps and saying that with each roll that goes by, it's more likely the next roll is a 7. The odds don't, in fact, change...

You'd be right for most engineering efforts, but I think this is best modeled as a random process.

Actually, the update process is more of a hazard function than a random process. Updates happen. And the longer the period from the last update, the more likey that an update occurs at any given period. Immediately after an update, the likelihood of an update occurring dimishes.

Sorry to the geeky statistical response.

[Eaststar]

Greaaattt... new 4000gb iPods. Two months after they issued the previous "new" iPods, we have "newer" ones. Meanwhile, the 15inch PowerBooks are gathering dust on the shelves, with their flaking paint and hideous black keyboards. It's been10 months! We need new 15 inch powerbooks, not new iPods! What's Apple thinking? Have they decided to abandon the 15 inch? Are they focusing on the iPods now as their main source of revenue? Arrrgh, it's madness.

:mad: :confused: :mad:

[chazmox]

Originally posted by PHGN
New iMacs -- could this be where the delivery of new G4s mentoined above are going? DO they use the same chips as the PBs?

Nope, the new iMac use the 7455. HOPE the new PB's don't use this chip!

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Eaststar
Greaaattt... new 4000gb iPods. Two months after they issued the previous "new" iPods, we have "newer" ones. Meanwhile, the 15inch PowerBooks are gathering dust on the shelves, with their flaking paint and hideous black keyboards. It's been10 months! We need new 15 inch powerbooks, not new iPods! What's Apple thinking? Have they decided to abandon the 15 inch? Are they focusing on the iPods now as their main source of revenue? Arrrgh, it's madness.

:mad: :confused: :mad:

It's probably a lot easier (and it was probably planned from the start) to have 10, 20, and 40 gig iPods.

And none of them hold 4000 gigabits, or even 4000 gigabytes (capital GB) :)

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I just bought an iPod. Well, I'm NOT trading it back for the extra 5 GHz!

Don't you mean the "5 GB's"? :D

[Phil Of Mac]

No, my iPod has a G227 processor.

Oh crap! I just realized I was in the 21st Century!

[Lori]

Lol, I got a bit overwhelmed by life after my powerbook arrived. LSE forms came in, credit card had to be gotten, more software from Apple had to be bought, things had to be rid of since I'm leaving soon...fun, fun.

But, now I got time to look back into the good old powerbook rumour. It HAS to be next week. No way is Jobs gonna give a Keynote and not have something nifty. And what else is left to be updated but the PB's now?? (As now I'm caught off-guard and the X-serves are updated).

Read this whole thread, definitely quite interesting. I must say, I loved the two-button mouse idea as well...especiallly a rocker mouse...haha, that'd be great! :D

[PHGN]

What could he announce?

Powerbooks
Xserves
iTunes Music store for Europe

You see, I just remembered that we've been waiting for new iPods, new iMacs, and the above: not just powerbooks.

[Bruja]

I'm sorry but there are no guarentees as to what he'll announce. After what I've seen (or not seen) He may just announce that appl is getting rid of the mid-sized laptop and improving the 17 & 12" 'ers. We automatically assume that He MUST announce and make availible what we want but the truth in the matter is, if the profits from the ibook and other machines are really making money for the company why not upgrade them 1st?? Remember, the iBook is coded as a G-3 Powerbook.

I do hope that I am wrong about this but I can't seem to get over the fact that the it would be old technology when or if the 15" would be made availible and 1 year since the last upgrade. If or when a G-5 Laptop is released, I may be around the sametime next year when they make the jump to G-5 chips. By then, would appl be on the verg of reaching 3 Ghz. speed when the their laptops are just breaking the 1.2Ghz. threshold??

edited for spelling corrections @9:44 -Bruja

[bikertwin]

From LoopRumors.com:

We just receieved confirmation from a very reliable source that Paris will prove to be a very exciting event. New PowerBooks are a certainty and we're expecting details on what to expect by midweek. Stay tuned

[ozlow]

Aluminum PowerBook 15 Update
9/9/03_ELdorado
From the Hardware Dept.

Easily the hottest question in the PowerPage in-box (and via IM) is "Where is the PowerBook 5-Inch update?" While we don't have a precise announcement date we can tell you that it isn't likely to be announced at Apple Expo in Paris later this month.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Bruja
He may just announce that appl is getting rid of the mid-sized laptop and improving the 17 & 12" 'ers.

That would be a dumb decision. That would not happen.

Originally posted by Bruja
We automatically assume that He MUST announce and make availible what we want but the truth in the matter is, if the profits from the ibook and other machines are really making money for the company why not upgrade them 1st??

If they are, that's because the PowerBook hasn't been updated. The solution: update the PowerBook, so you make money from all your lines.

Originally posted by Bruja
If or when a G5 Laptop is released, I may be around the sametime next year when they make the jump to G5 chips. By then, would appl be on the verg of reaching 3 Ghz. speed when the their laptops are just breaking the 1.2Ghz. threshold??

By that time, they'll be down to a 90nm process, i.e. high-frequency G5's in the PowerBook.

[MattG]

Originally posted by ozlow
Aluminum PowerBook 15 Update
9/9/03_ELdorado
From the Hardware Dept.

Easily the hottest question in the PowerPage in-box (and via IM) is "Where is the PowerBook 5-Inch update?" While we don't have a precise announcement date we can tell you that it isn't likely to be announced at Apple Expo in Paris later this month. Are those guys ever right?

Anyway, this is just getting ridiculous. The more and more they delay this, the more I'm going to be disappointed if it's NOT a G5 Powerbook. If it isn't announced on or before the Paris expo, it damn well better be because they're figuring out a way to fit a G5 in this thing.