New iPods Released (20GB and 40GB)

[MacRumors]

Apple has released two new iPods at 20GB and 40GB sizes, replacing the 15GB and 30GB:

20GB iPod
$399

40GB iPod
$499

Apple has updated their website (http://www.apple.com/) with the new models and a new advertising campaign for the new iPods.

Photos of the new iPod Ad Campaign were also posted on ChaosMint (http://www.chaosmint.com/mac/ipod-ads/) over the weekend.

More News/Rumors at: MacRumors.com (http://www.macrumors.com)

[adamfilip]

Cool.. but still too bloody expensive

[coumerelli]

awww, I just submitted this. What a fun Monday morning! I can't wait though to see what might be in store for next tuesday!

Still holding out for a backlit keyboard on a 15' PB. ;)

[DanUk2003]

YAY!!!


Now where's my credit card got to........? :D

[adamfilip]

is the 40gb still thicker then the 20 and 10?

the 30gb was thicker (just slightly) then the 15

[yoshi1013]

Still expensive, but paying $100 more for a 20GB iPod rather than a 15GB iPod seems a lot less ridiculous.

[mactastic]

Sweet.... Now the sizes I want are starting to come into the price range I'm looking for. I'd still rather have seen 'book updates though.

[scem0]

ewwwwwwwwww green on the front page?

That's ugly.

Oh well, at least apple is updating them ;).

scem0

[eddyg]

Originally posted by adamfilip
is the 40gb still thicker then the 20 and 10?

the 30gb was thicker (just slightly) then the 15

10 and 20Gb = 61 x 104 x 15.8 mm
40Gb = 61 x 104 x 18.5 mm

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by scem0
ewwwwwwwwww green on the front page?

That's ugly.

Oh well, at least apple is updating them ;).

scem0

Reload - then the color changes !

[vanillamike]

Damn there is the slim 20GB that was rumoured so long ago. Now all I have is the POS 30GB....... :p I am so kidding by the way, but what does this mean for replacements if my 30GB dies?

Mike

[AllenPSU]

I ordered a 15 GB iPod last Thursday and just received an email from the Apple Store that my order has been upgraded to the 20 GB model just announced at no additional cost!

The luck of the update.

I also have a PB 12" on that order... wonder if I will be doubly blessed?

[Squire]

I hope so for your sake.

Dear Santa,
I've been a pretty good fella this past little while. How about an iPod?

Actually, I just made a bet with my wife that, if I can lose 10 kg by X-mas, she has to buy me an iPod. I think I'll go dump out the rest of this quart of beer I just opened. ;)

Squire

[tazo]

wow that is a ****ing awesome deal now! 40 gb for 500....man...

and the new imacs wow i never thought they would get to a 160 gb hard drive and a 1.25ghz processor

:D

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by AllenPSU
I ordered a 15 GB iPod last Thursday and just received an email from the Apple Store that my order has been upgraded to the 20 GB model just announced at no additional cost! that rocks. good to see they're doing something in a timely fashion. i wish i knew why they are dragging their feet on the powerbooks...

[jxyama]

dang. where did this come from!? it's not even tuesday!!

good to get updates, though... :D

[pure speculation]
were these two updates announced on a monday instead of the "traditional" tuesday since there'll be something coming up next tuesday..?? to give the new imacs and ipods at least a week at the front page of the apple site..? hmm...
[/pure speculation]

[gola]

New ipods, yes, but no audio in recording device.... this is a sad day. Who cares about the 10000 tracks, I am quite happy with 7500, as long as get the possibility of recording. I guess I have to sell my ipod and buy a phillips HDD100....

[backspinner]

Originally posted by scem0
ewwwwwwwwww green on the front page? On the iPod page you can choose the color you want by yourself...
...I like the green, blue and purple ones.

[Squire]

Question: This is just the same G4 that used to be in the PowerMac, right?

Man, after reading Tazo's post I'm starting to feel that my iMac IS a little weak. 160 gigs would be sweeet.

Squire

[tazo]

Originally posted by Squire
Question: This is just the same G4 that used to be in the PowerMac, right?

Man, after reading Tazo's post I'm starting to feel that my iMac IS a little weak. 160 gigs would be sweeet.

Squire

LOL i know what you mean...my external 60 is starting to get cramped lol :D

[NavyIntel007]

BOOOOO.

They should have moved the 10 GB to $199 and kept the 30 GB.

Then the pricing could be

10=199
20=299
30=399
40=499

Oh well... guess I'll stick with my 5er for a while.

[backspinner]

Originally posted by gola
New ipods, yes, but no audio in recording device.... this is a sad day Cheer up ;) Recording is just software so they can add it as an update whenever they like to all the existing 3G iPods.

[saint]

Has anything else been updated/ any new features or is it just an increase in storage?

I think this might be as big as they will get. 10000 songs! :eek:
Does anyone actually have that much music?

In my opinion they still need a cheaper base model.

[Mudbug]

I think apple was just waiting for me to get the 15 so they could make it 20. Rrrg. :rolleyes:

Oh well - it's hard to see things coming when you can't see them coming. :)

[richie]

Hmm, I like the bigger HDs, I like the new advertising, looks like I may be upgrading from my 'old school' 1st Gen 5gigger! :)

On a sidenote, it's interesting that AsTheAppleTurns has such good sources, they always seem to be pulling these accurate predictions out of nowhere, when they do deign to dabble in the rumor black arts. :)

[jxyama]

i figured with the new updated ipod, they'd have to lower the prices of the refurbs... only 2nd gen. 10 GB is available but it's $170! that's absolutely the lowest price you can find for an ipod that's practically brand new... no?

[Photorun]

I completely agree with NaveIntel. They should have a low cost model, they couldn't keep it on the shelves. From what I've heard Apple makes more than 50% mark up on iPods (though they might not on the $199 10 GB), it's not like they couldn't afford to do it while accelerating market share. Sadly this is Apple/Jobs, all mark-up all the time, often at the explense (pardon the pun) of gaining market share.

[JoeCanadian]

sniff, sniff. I just bought a 15GB from the Aspen Grove CO store two weeks ago. I almost bought the bigger one, but it was a bit too much for me. I'm glad the upgrade was capacity only!

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by JoeCanadian
I'm glad the upgrade was capacity only!

I'll second that - I got my 15 last sunday. :(

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by shadowfax
that rocks. good to see they're doing something in a timely fashion. i wish i knew why they are dragging their feet on the powerbooks...

Me too. I had been waiting to buy a PB for over 3 months and finally had to jump in regardless of the updates. Apple is still showing a shipping date of NLT 9/18/03 on my PB 12" 60/640/AE... I may still get lucky but to be honest, I will be happy with what ever I get.

The 12" has come down $200 since release and the $200 education discount is awesome.

[AppleMatt]

What was the old pricing?

This is good...I suppose, but I agree that a cheaper base model (or hell, just reducing the current models) is really in order, the iPod used to have 48% of the MP3 player market, but it's dropping :(

AppleMatt

[jer2665]

i'm going to try to do my best to not swear or curse out apple on here, (i get yelled at for that enough in #macrumors but this is freaking ridiculous. I just recently bought a 30 gig, that i think i paid $499 for, now an extra 10 gig for the same price? that settles it, im going to wait a week after everyone gets their dual g5's and see them magically have dual 10ghz g5's for about $1000 less.

[edenwaith]

Cool. Nice to see that both the iMac and iPods were updated...but why an update with the iPods so soon? But on a very good note, Apple is selling iPods quite cheaply under their special deals section (at leas the U.S. site). $169 for an iPod? I'm now VERY tempted to get one. :)

[jer2665]

actually, i just bought this thing at best buy, and got the extended service plan (homer: extended service plan how can I lose?) i'm going to wait till they get rid of all 30gigs, and whip this one at a wall, hrm, gotta read more into their warranty thing to see the best way to go about this. I know they have a really loose warranty on those things, so i wonder if that'll work., anyone know?

[NoPrideELF]

Hmm, now what to do when I get my new 15' (whenever that is). I'll need an enormous hard drive if the first 40 gigs are already reserved for the ipod I get with it. What do you think the hard drive on the new pb's will be? same 60 just doesn't seem like enough anymore. Can they cram any more into it?

[crazedbytheheat]

Originally posted by backspinner
Cheer up ;) Recording is just software so they can add it as an update whenever they like to all the existing 3G iPods.

Ummm. You might still need a microphone. I don't see one on my iPod.

The new size is pretty cool, though, esp. now that you can use Backup with the iPod. An MP3 player AND backup drive. Wonder when they'll add color and .jpg support so we can show pictures? Grandparents love that stuff.

[Squire]

Originally posted by NoPrideELF
Hmm, now what to do when I get my new 15' (whenever that is). I'll need an enormous hard drive if the first 40 gigs are already reserved for the ipod I get with it. What do you think the hard drive on the new pb's will be? same 60 just doesn't seem like enough anymore. Can they cram any more into it?

I don't know but they just released a public beta of "Backup" in .Mac that has iPod and other 3rd party HD support.

The 40 gigs would be useful, even without 10,000 tunes.

Squire

[ozlow]

Originally posted by adamfilip
is the 40gb still thicker then the 20 and 10?

the 30gb was thicker (just slightly) then the 15

Why don't you go to the Apple Store and check? Yes, it is still a tiny bit bigger.

~oZ

[devotchka]

Originally posted by jer2665
actually, i just bought this thing at best buy, and got the extended service plan (homer: extended service plan how can I lose?) i'm going to wait till they get rid of all 30gigs, and whip this one at a wall, hrm, gotta read more into their warranty thing to see the best way to go about this. I know they have a really loose warranty on those things, so i wonder if that'll work., anyone know?

my mother got a gamecube from bestbuy and the extended warranty for my bro - when he wanted a different color she took it back; when he broke the controller she took it back; and when the warranty was about to expire she took it back.

im sure the people at bestbuy now hate my mother... maybe i should get her to call apple and trade in my new 15g iPod for the 20g.

[iRiKliAN]

40GB Ipod !!!

10,000 songs!!!

Chances are anyone with enough music to fill a 40GB Ipod has not paid $10,000+, and has illegally downloaded the good majority of them. Correct?

So it would be safe to assume the RIAA would be on there arse? :eek:

Maybe Apple is inadvertantly encouraging piracy? :confused:

[Niall]

i just got my 15Gb delivered today.Not very happy now.New pricing in Ireland too..
I paid: 15Gb = €461.01
Now: 20Gb = €415.03.
Should i try and send it back;seeing as i had to wait 2 weeks to get it shipped in the first place.

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by iRiKliAN
Maybe Apple is inadvertantly encouraging piracy? :confused:

Maybe gun manufactures are inadvertently encouraging murder.

Even on 128Kb encoding, if I could be bothered, my CD's would fill a 40GB iPod a few times. Luckily I can't be bothered.

AppleMatt

[zedwards]

Originally posted by gola
New ipods, yes, but no audio in recording device.... this is a sad day. Who cares about the 10000 tracks, I am quite happy with 7500, as long as get the possibility of recording. I guess I have to sell my ipod and buy a phillips HDD100....
Um, dude, you need to get out more often.

[jxyama]

advancing technology is a fact of life... so let's stick to :( instead of :mad: .

no matter when things are upgraded, someone will be screwed with the timing. sorry for those who bought "old" ones just a while ago, but it still doesn't take anything away from your own machine...

enjoy.

[pdickins]

"40GB Ipod !!!

10,000 songs!!!

Chances are anyone with enough music to fill a 40GB Ipod has not paid $10,000+, and has illegally downloaded the good majority of them. Correct?

So it would be safe to assume the RIAA would be on there arse?

Maybe Apple is inadvertantly encouraging piracy? "

I've got an original 10 gig and have 48 gigs of mp3/aac's (encoded at 128 kbps) on my Blueberry iMac's HD - I've just got to the letter R in ripping my CD's. I do have a couple of albums that I've downloaded but 99% of my mp3's are ripped from my own CD's. I'll think about upgrading my 10 gig when the iPod's are 80 gig+ (probably this time next year) - nice to see them almost getting there.

[iEric]

The arts teacher just bought a new 10 gb iPod and a Powermac through the phone, through the education pricing. She hasn't received anything...but the price for the 10gb dropped...will it drop for her, even though she placed the order before the price dropped?

[Armsreach]

Originally posted by iRiKliAN
Chances are anyone with enough music to fill a 40GB Ipod has not paid $10,000+, and has illegally downloaded the good majority of them. Correct?

So it would be safe to assume the RIAA would be on there arse? :eek:


Not entirely true. I've been collecting music for about 20 years, have three rooms in my apartment devoted to my vinyl collection and have about 2/3 of that collection converted to mp3/AAC. That's not even counting the music I've ripped from my CD collection and promotional material I recieve at the radio station.

My mp3 library is about 109gigs of my 120GB music drive. Sadly I've probably spent much more than $10,000 on the music I've purchased in my life. Oh, the G5's I could buy with my music collection being a figment of my imagination. :)

[jxyama]

Originally posted by iEric
The arts teacher just bought a new 10 gb iPod and a Powermac through the phone, through the education pricing. She hasn't received anything...but the price for the 10gb dropped...will it drop for her, even though she placed the order before the price dropped?

price for the 10 gb hasn't dropped. it was $299 before as it is now.

[ewinemiller]

Originally posted by iRiKliAN
40GB Ipod !!!

10,000 songs!!!

Chances are anyone with enough music to fill a 40GB Ipod has not paid $10,000+, and has illegally downloaded the good majority of them. Correct?

Maybe not. I was giving the guy in the cube next to me a hard time about carrying notebooks full of CDs in each day. I told him to just get an iPod or something like it. He then told me that he had about 1200 CDs (my ~360 took up about 18gig so he'd probably need about 60gig). Now I give him a hard time that he could have bought a new car, funded his kid's college fund, etc. instead of buying 1200 CDs. He might be able to fit it on one of the bigger creative labs, but he wouldn't have any room to grow. He wants to go that way eventually but he's looking for at least 80gig before he even thinks about it.

Additionally the extra capacity might not be about music, it makes a nice small portable drive. At 40gig you've got room for a little over 3 hours of DV video, lots of room for textures, and large 3D files, etc, whatever you want to tote around.

[jer2665]

Originally posted by iRiKliAN
40GB Ipod !!!

So it would be safe to assume the RIAA would be on there arse? :eek:




I gotta say you're probably right, the RIAA WILL be a pain in the arse, it's just what they do. but i too can easily fill the 40gigs up by ripping my cds, so not necessarily piracy, but i think that they will be scanning the p2p networks even more now, because ipods are still getting more and more common,

[ZildjianKX]

If nothing else changed besides the capacity, its a pretty lame update... well, least it doesn't make my 30 gig look so bad :)

[themadchemist]

It's pretty sad...The top-of-the-line iPod now has double, yes DOUBLE, the hard disk capacity of my G4.

Woohoo!

Now if only you could boot OS X from it...?

[AppleMatt]

You can, but most people agree it's a bad idea due to the wear it puts on the drive.

**Don't flame me**

AppleMatt

[IJ Reilly]

I bought my 15 gig from Apple a couple of weeks ago, and I suppose I ought to be annoyed... but no, I paid $329 for it as a "refurbished" unit. The interesting part is it came in a retail box, unlike some of the other Apple refurbs I've bought which arrived in plain-wrap packaging. This confirms what I've always suspected -- that some of the products Apple sells as "refurbs" are in fact new overstocked units.

[macnews]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
BOOOOO.

They should have moved the 10 GB to $199 and kept the 30 GB.

Then the pricing could be

10=199
20=299
30=399
40=499

I agree. It would be nice to see these options. I think the only reason why they don't offer this is they are affraid it will canabalize other iPod sales. By this I mean, if they offered the 10GB for $199 they would lose out on the being able to sell it for $299, plus also lose on all the other models except for the 40GB. Has Apple ever heard of VOLUME sales? At $199 the 10GB would fly off the shelves resulting in more future buyers.

[simX]

Originally posted by richie
On a sidenote, it's interesting that AsTheAppleTurns has such good sources, they always seem to be pulling these accurate predictions out of nowhere, when they do deign to dabble in the rumor black arts. :)

No freaking kidding! They act all "we are not a rumor site" and go around making quips at Jobs and Ive, and then they turn around and post some "recklessly unconfirmed" rumor. "recklessly unconfirmed" my foot. :rolleyes:

You hear me, Jack? :D

[psxndc]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
...This confirms what I've always suspected -- that some of the products Apple sells as "refurbs" are in fact new overstocked units.

Refurbs from what I understand are "anything that comes off the factory line and doesn't go straight to your door. So if I bought two computers, but returned one without opening it, it becomes a refurb. That very thing happened to me about four years ago when Gateway screwed up my order and sent me two of the same machine. When I returned it, I was told it would be a refurb. Maybe someone just bought your iPod but returned it for whatever reason.

-p

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by psxndc
Refurbs from what I understand are "anything that comes off the factory line and doesn't go straight to your door. So if I bought two computers, but returned one without opening it, it becomes a refurb. That very thing happened to me about four years ago when Gateway screwed up my order and sent me two of the same machine. When I returned it, I was told it would be a refurb. Maybe someone just bought your iPod but returned it for whatever reason.

-p

Could be, but I've notice this timing at the Apple store before. I strongly suspect that Apple sometimes sells new products as refurbs when they're trying to clear out stock for one reason or another -- in this case, right before a replacement product is released. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. The special deals section of the Apple Store might be another good place for the rumor-followers to watch.

[arizona_kimbo]

Originally posted by JoeCanadian
sniff, sniff. I just bought a 15GB from the Aspen Grove CO store two weeks ago. I almost bought the bigger one, but it was a bit too much for me. I'm glad the upgrade was capacity only!


I also just purchased the 15GB model - received it last Tuesday. Although I'm a little upset (20GB is only $30 more at the Apple Canada store) I don't think I'd ever fill up even the 15GB model. Plus I wanted to make sure I got in on the educational rebate offer.

I'm wondering about the iPod firmware though. The Apple support page lists version 2.0.1 as the latest update, but when I looked at the "About" on my iPod, it says the version is 2.0.2. Could this mean that the newer iPods have support for the new peripherals that are supposedly coming out?

Hmmm..... Something to think about.

[Chealion]

Funny, in Canada, the education price for the 10 GB iPod dropped about $17, but there is no educational discount on the 20 and 40 versions. There was for the 15 and 30s...

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by zedwards
Um, dude, you need to get out more often. Well it would be nice to be able to record sounds if you're into that sort of thing. I use a portable DAT player.. however they sell for about $800.00... Macs are great for music. :D

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by ewinemiller
Maybe not. I was giving the guy in the cube next to me a hard time about carrying notebooks full of CDs in each day. I told him to just get an iPod or something like it. He then told me that he had about 1200 CDs (my ~360 took up about 18gig so he'd probably need about 60gig). Now I give him a hard time that he could have bought a new car, funded his kid's college fund, etc. instead of buying 1200 CDs. He might be able to fit it on one of the bigger creative labs, but he wouldn't have any room to grow. He wants to go that way eventually but he's looking for at least 80gig before he even thinks about it.

Additionally the extra capacity might not be about music, it makes a nice small portable drive. At 40gig you've got room for a little over 3 hours of DV video, lots of room for textures, and large 3D files, etc, whatever you want to tote around. True.... I have 600 cd's in my collection and if you average about 7 songs per cd, which I think is a conservative number, you'd end up with 4200 songs.... I will eventually put all my music into my Mac and then the iPod. Plus my sister has about the same amount of music, but we listen to completely different stuff, so I'm sure I'll connect to her Mac at some point and dl some of her tunes; which I'd never buy the CD's. That would come to about 8,000 songs. Then I have some friends with Macs and that will only grow.

I don't think it's illegal to share music as I've just mentioned with friends.... Only when you share it with the masses. I don't use any file sharing progams.

[Photorun]

I'm glad other people are posting this comment, it is sad that the 40 GB iPod holds more than many of our current hard drives, myself included.

[HasanDaddy]

I've got a 30 gigger --- is the 40 gigger smaller???

thanks!

[HasanDaddy]

...and when I said "smaller" I meant weight/height/width, not gig size

[atat_jack]

Originally posted by simX
No freaking kidding! They act all "we are not a rumor site" and go around making quips at Jobs and Ive, and then they turn around and post some "recklessly unconfirmed" rumor. "recklessly unconfirmed" my foot. :rolleyes:

You hear me, Jack? :D

Hey, trust me-- I'm as surprised as you are.

Now I wish I had listened to the guy when he also said "iMac speed bump of some proportion." D'oh!

[simX]

Originally posted by atat_jack
Hey, trust me-- I'm as surprised as you are.

Now I wish I had listened to the guy when he also said "iMac speed bump of some proportion." D'oh!

Pff, hah. Now he acts all surprised. ;) We're on to you, Jack!

Originally posted by arizona_kimbo
I'm wondering about the iPod firmware though. The Apple support page lists version 2.0.1 as the latest update, but when I looked at the "About" on my iPod, it says the version is 2.0.2. Could this mean that the newer iPods have support for the new peripherals that are supposedly coming out?

In a word, no (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93315).

[Puppies]

This is cool the iPods and iMacs got updated. The iMac should have a better GPU-like a Geforce 5650 with 128MB on the high end model (or better, if they can stick it in there somehow), but it's still good to keep things semi-modern.

BUT...where the heck are the PowerBooks? The iMacs and even the iPods have been updated TWICE since the PowerBooks were updated! What's going on?!?

I'm wondering too if the new iPods qualify for that educational "buy a bundle" deal. The rebate hasn't been changed to reflect it, but I'd assume they still qualify. Otherwise only the 10GB model would work for it, and I doubt Apple wants to limit people to buying their cheapest model.

[ldkaplan]

I just got my 30gb two weeks ago. Now there's a 40gb?

Same thing happened with my iMac. A few months after I bought it, they come out with a 17" version...and an OS upgrade!

I like my Mac. I like my iPod. I'm just pissed off that Apple can't upgrade the things that need it, like the 15" pb.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
...and when I said "smaller" I meant weight/height/width, not gig size

Nope, they the 40 gig is the same size/weight as the 30, and the 20 is the same size as the 10/15

[ColoJohnBoy]

This is really cool, but as earlier poster have said, still too expensive. What would be nice, though I don't know if possible, would be if Apple just cut the current prices on the iPods in half. I wouldn't at all mind spending $250 on a 40 GB iPod. $500 though? I just can't afford it.

Still, go Apple! Blow em' out of the water!

[SiliconAddict]

Close but no Banana. I need something well over 40GB. My current music collection consist of 43GB of MP3’s. If anything I would want to be eyeing an 80GB iPod.

Really quick question: Does the iPod handle mixed codecs well? Example. I transfer my collection over to it and then start downloading tracks off of ITMS. Will the mixed types play nice together?

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by ldkaplan
I'm just pissed off that Apple can't upgrade the things that need it, like the 15" pb.

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*slams head into keyboard over and over and over again*

*sighs* If Apple doesn't have the CPU's to install in a 15" PowerBook there isn't a whole heck of a lot they can do is there? Cut them some slack. When Moto gets its crap in gear then you'll have your PowerBook.

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by macnews
I agree. It would be nice to see these options. I think the only reason why they don't offer this is they are affraid it will canabalize other iPod sales. By this I mean, if they offered the 10GB for $199 they would lose out on the being able to sell it for $299, plus also lose on all the other models except for the 40GB. Has Apple ever heard of VOLUME sales? At $199 the 10GB would fly off the shelves resulting in more future buyers.

The fear of caibalizing sales is what is keeping people with the original 5 Gigers from buying new ones. I don't listen to all my music. I've set up my playlists to only carry songs with a play count and have another playlist that has any song that I've added in the last three months that has not been played. I don't NEED to get a new one. However, for $199, I would have jumped off the fence and bought a new one. I may jump after that refurb 10 Giger though. I have a workout strap that I love and wouldn't really want to get a new one.

There will be two types of consumers: the ones looking for cheap and the ones looking for biggest/baddest. The iPod is out there! It's all over the place. I see a different person with one everyday! These people aren't going to cheap out and buy the 10 Gig if their 2nd gen 20 gig is full. They'll probably go get the 40 Gig. Having a cheap bottom line model will keep people upgrading. Hell they almost had me...

[jayb2000]

Oh, well, I have had my 30 for 3 months, I was really hoping at the time they would do 10/20/40, like the original ratios of 5/10/20. When Apple only put out 30 I got it anyway, but I have about 45gb of mp3s, not including any of my albums or cassettes I want to endcode.

Maybe I can give my wife the 30 and get a 40 :cool: That would handle all my stuff.

And for the RIAA - screw off, I bought them all. :p

[Mr. Anderson]

I just went to the Apple Store in Clarendon today to look at the G5 first hand (really nice :D) and noticed that they didn't have the new 40 gig iPods in yet. The Apple Store guy I talked to didn't know when they'd be getting them in, either.

D

[jbembe]

Meant to post this on this thread, not the 10 millionth one


Yes, I have 43 gigs of music, all of which I own on CD except a few that I have purchased from iTMS on my external 80 gig hard drive.

And yes, I have been saying ever since I purchased the 10 gig old fashioned iPod a month before the 20 gig was available over a year ago that I would get the 40 gig as soon as it came out.

Finally! Now my wife won't have to ask me to meet up with her to give her the 10 gig every time she wants to go work out, she can have it for herself and have only the songs she likes on it.

As for me, I can put all but 3 gigs of music that I own on it!

Oh, and I was the first to call the Knox Street store in Dallas Tx for the new 40gig, didn't say when they'd have them, but I'll be the first person they call!

SWEET.

[jer2665]

ok, for everyone who says they need like an 80 gig, do you plan on listening to all 20,000 songs that would have on it? i mean, i look at this as a portable mp3 player, so i put what i want to listen to on it. i'm guessing 90% of you have every mp3 you own on it, i dont listen to half of the old crap i used to listen to. For those of you who like to use it to just hold all of their mp3s i understand. i personally just want the 40 because i bought the 30, and now it isn't the biggest and best. changes or not, I WANT THE NEWEST AND BEST! NOW!!

[NavyIntel007]

Those 1.8" drives have to be reaching the limit of their capacities if they aren't already there. Laptop drives are stuck at 80 GB so I would imagine the ipods could be stuck at 40 GB for a while.

[jbembe]

Great info on the 40 gig size limit, glad to know that now is the best time to do this upgrade.

Also one of the great benefits to iTunes IMO is that you can create a playlist that automatically selects all the songs you haven't listened to/ haven't listened to since such and such date. That way you can listen to your favorite stuff over and over, but also evenly distribute your listening time on that playlist over all of your music at once. When selecting CDs I have a bad habit of skipping over old ones constantly, this solves that problem.

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
*slams head into keyboard over and over and over again*


Careful, Apple keyboards are far from cheap. Plus concussions nasty.

AppleMatt

[petey]

I have a question for anybody who may know. Suppose that we hear of the Powerbook updates next tuesday at Mac Expo, as a Canadian, what does this mean for me?

I have noticed, especially after the news of the G5, that the Canadian page does not update with this info the same day that the U.S. page does. So does anyone know, from a historical standpoint, when I would be able to order my Powerbook, if, and when the updates are announced? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!! :rolleyes:

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Careful, Apple keyboards are far from cheap. Plus concussions nasty.

AppleMatt

*sighs* Who ever said I was typing on an Apple keyboard. :-\
Those PowerBook G5's can't come soon enough.
But on the brightside we have an abundance of cheap Dell keyboards where I work so......

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:D

[Dreamail]

Originally posted by jer2665
ok, for everyone who says they need like an 80 gig, do you plan on listening to all 20,000 songs that it would have on it?

What some people don't realise is that not everyone uses an iPod for MP3s. iPods are for holding files and backups too.
And as good as MP3s and AACs are, they are still no match for the real deal: AIFF. Sure, you need decend headphones and be in a quiet environment to hear the difference, but there is an audible differenence which is especially apparent if a track is a favourite track and you know it well.

I for one would keep my most favourite albums only in AIFF format, no other. And that sucks up space fast. A 40GB iPod has room for roughly 70 CDs in AIFF. Not all that much.

Wouldn't it be cool if Apple would offer a lossless compressed audio format on iPods too? Sadly the new WMA9 lossless format already offers this to Windows users. Reportedly CD audio files can be compressed lossless to about 50% their size. 140 original quality CDs on a 40Gig iPod, that would be great.

My 'Dream Version of iTunes' (tm)

Ideally iTunes should offer to archive every song twice: in its original AIFF quality (lossless compressed) plus one other lossy format of my choice. That way iTunes could offer to re-rip tracks into any audio format of my choice - at the click of a button.
And I would be offered a choice on a per track basis whether I want the lossy, compressed audio version on my iPod or the original quality one, compressed lossless down to about half its original size.

What do you guys/girls think?

[TWinbrook46636]

Hmmm, so when can we current 10/15/30 iPod owners download the 2.0.4 iPod software?

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by jer2665
ok, for everyone who says they need like an 80 gig, do you plan on listening to all 20,000 songs that would have on it? i mean, i look at this as a portable mp3 player, so i put what i want to listen to on it. i'm guessing 90% of you have every mp3 you own on it, i dont listen to half of the old crap i used to listen to. For those of you who like to use it to just hold all of their mp3s i understand.


Does anyone really need a 40GB? 20GB? 10GB? iPod? If you filled it all the way up it would take *shrugs* What? Weeks to listen to it all.

That really isn't the point. At least for me it isn't. For me personally I like knowing if I think of a song in my collection that I want to hear I don't have to rip it, move it, or convert it. It will be there on my device. Anywhere. Anytime. When I get an iPod its not going to be a device for just listening to my music but the device where I store all my music. But as you somewhat pointed out it depends on how you are actually using the device.
As a standard MP3 player even a 10GB one has space a plenty to keep you going for a week or more.

[cgp314]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
BOOOOO.

They should have moved the 10 GB to $199 and kept the 30 GB.

Then the pricing could be

10=199
20=299
30=399
40=499

Oh well... guess I'll stick with my 5er for a while.

Any idea where to get a five for cheap? Should be $99 by your pricing scale :)

[whatever]

Originally posted by iRiKliAN
40GB Ipod !!!

10,000 songs!!!

Chances are anyone with enough music to fill a 40GB Ipod has not paid $10,000+, and has illegally downloaded the good majority of them. Correct?

So it would be safe to assume the RIAA would be on there arse? :eek:

Maybe Apple is inadvertantly encouraging piracy? :confused:

Been collecting CD's since 1985. I have well over 5000 CDs, I have no stolen music on my computer (currently 9GB), so I don't know what you're thinking about.

Maybe Apple is just trying to provide a product that a customer can use for years to come.

Whatever

[jer2665]

i dunno, from the stories i've heard, iPod's aren't exactly built to last forever. Hence all of the segments on "the screen savers" about how to replace the harddrive, power supply and all of that lovely stuff. Im already having problems with my stupid one. When i first got it, it was kind of locked up, just the apple showing, i had to do the "flick hold on and off, then hold menu+play" and i just recently had to do that again. So i dont see this thing lasting for years to come.

[Eaststar]

New iPods??!!

Why? Didn't they just release new models like last month? We don't need newiPods!! We need new 15inch Powerbooks!
They're almost a year old! What is Apple thinking? Arrrgh!!! Arrrghhh!!!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[pbooker]

It's generally later that afternoon or the next day. The Apple Canada Store is updated sooner than the actual Canada website.

In the case of the iPod's and iMac's, it was up this morning when I checked so it didn't take them long.

Originally posted by petey
I have a question for anybody who may know. Suppose that we hear of the Powerbook updates next tuesday at Mac Expo, as a Canadian, what does this mean for me?

I have noticed, especially after the news of the G5, that the Canadian page does not update with this info the same day that the U.S. page does. So does anyone know, from a historical standpoint, when I would be able to order my Powerbook, if, and when the updates are announced? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!! :rolleyes:

[plinkoman]

oh darn, now my 30GB with laser engraving isn't the best anymore ...

[paulc]

Ah, somebody hit on the freezing issue!

Unfortunately, I have an issue that for sure precludes me from jumping on new Pods. One of the "dirty little secrets" of the Pod. I had an increasingly seriously (and annoying/disruptive) problem and the other day went to the support discussion boards at apple. Spent about an hour reading posts of people afflicted with the same issue I had; and ALL of those posts were within the last 4 days!

The consensus seems to be that if one is moving while your Pod is spinning the disk and reading songs into the cache, it will freeze. As in need a hardware reset, as in wiping out all the playcount data collected so far.

Which is probably why I see so many folks holding their Pods in their hands. Which is why the "for the active lifestyle" is BS.. the Pod is PERFECT for the sedentary lifestyle, and problematic for being too active. And lemme tell you, a lot of those folks are runner, most of who were reassured by Apple Store employees that the Pod was the PERFECT companion for the runner.

Naturally, apple is saying exactly nothing.

And it's really quite simple to address this issue (which undoubtedly came about by them shrinking the size of the units; clearly reducing shock absorption material for the HD). The solution?

1. up the cache size; 128M would be nice, but I'd settle for 64M
2. introduce a software setting that says "play cache and stop," so that before it CAN freeze, it would stop playing. Put it in your hand (while exercising), choose another smart playlist, count to 10 and you can then go on about being, er, active.

I will NOT buy another Pod, nor will I encourage ANYONE to buy one untill at least 2 is implemented (and not just for new Pods, if they don't cover at least 2G units, fugeddibouditt) and better both 1 and 2. Unless the person knows they will never try to walk, run, jog or do anything active while trying to listen to music.

[Dahl]

I understand the larger HD is a good way for Apple to update their iPods without selling cheaper models, but when they introduced them, didn't they also promote how fast it transfered etc.
I have 1000's of records too, but I don't really need all of them on an iPod, I would rather have a cheaper model and exchange music as I need it.

[iEric]

Originally posted by jxyama
price for the 10 gb hasn't dropped. it was $299 before as it is now.

It has for Canada...Does anyone know?

[Bunzi2k4]

man... 2 weeks ago i baught an ipod 15!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dahl]

Try and exchange it to a new model, doesn't hurt to try!

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by cgp314
Any idea where to get a five for cheap? Should be $99 by your pricing scale :)

If I decide to get a new one, I'd be willing to sell you mine. I have to see if my GF would want it first. But PM me if interested anyway.

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by ldkaplan
I just got my 30gb two weeks ago. Now there's a 40gb?

Same thing happened with my iMac. A few months after I bought it, they come out with a 17" version...and an OS upgrade!

I like my Mac. I like my iPod. I'm just pissed off that Apple can't upgrade the things that need it, like the 15" pb.

Oh yes... because aren't you the center of the universe? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[tizza]

well, glad I held off - just need the PB now :)

[Chef Ramen]

ipods (mac version) play all mp3s, aac, aiff, and wav files. i think the windows versions are missing a few formats.

you could use aiff files but as they are really big you might go through a battery charge faster :confused:

[noooro]

For bad luck you can't beat this: my iPod <i>arrived</i> today. A 15g, that is. Before I opened the plastic, I called and asked if they're offering any kind of exchange package.

I was told I could get either a swap for a 20g one (just have to pay the shipping back), or $30 in payment protection. I chose the $30, since if I'd swapped it, I wouldn't have been able to get the education $200 rebate when bought with a mac.

It's only a third more space (20g)... ok, so that is quite a bit, but it's not the end of the world. I'm impressed they offered <i>anything</i> at all. I won't be losing sleep over it.

BTW, my ipod is nice. I'm liking the whole mac experience - things just happen. I plugged the iPod into my iBook, and while reading the manual to figure out how to transfer my music, I looked up and realised it had already started. Nice.

[Photorun]

I will NOT buy another Pod, nor will I encourage ANYONE to buy one untill at least 2 is implemented (and not just for new Pods, if they don't cover at least 2G units, fugeddibouditt) and better both 1 and 2. Unless the person knows they will never try to walk, run, jog or do anything active while trying to listen to music.

Thanks PaulC, very interesting tidbit. My main reason for getting an iPod is because my use will be mostly stationary. However it's fairly enlightening as there was that thoguht "hmmm... I wonder if I can jog with it?" Still a great purchase, just don't jog it.

[shecky]

<----just returned his 15GB he bought on September 3rd back to CompUSA

The ASC at my local CompUSA said he has been told by his higher-ups that CompUSA will have the new models in by the end of the week.

here's hoping. i get my new TiBook Monday, it would be peachy if i had my new 20GB iPod by then too.

(wrings hands ala Mr. Burns) :::::::exxxxxxxxcellent:::::::::


by the way, can someone definitively confirm that this is strictly a storage upgrade and nothing else? looks that way to me. thanx

[jbembe]

The Apple store already called me yesterday so I spent last night fitting exactly 6552 160kbps MP3s onto my new 40gig for a total of 37.16gb. That's alot of music. Now if I play random, I shouldn't hear the same artist twice for several hours!

"Ideally iTunes should offer to archive every song twice: in its original AIFF quality (lossless compressed) plus one other lossy format of my choice. That way iTunes could offer to re-rip tracks into any audio format of my choice - at the click of a button.
And I would be offered a choice on a per track basis whether I want the lossy, compressed audio version on my iPod or the original quality one, compressed lossless down to about half its original size."

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!

I think I'll probably wait at least two years when I need to upgrade my system, and hopefully the harddrive space of my uncompressed music collection will only represent a mere fraction of the hard drive sold stock on the iMac at that time. Before then, I'll simply suffer the lack of quality (although hard to tell most times when I have the iPod going and there's alot of background.) However, before then I still think that I would like to buy the uncompressed songs, this is the only reason I have yet to purchase any single album. If I'm gonna spend 9.99 for compressed albums, why not have the original sound quality off a CD for cheaper at my favorite used CD shop?

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Those 1.8" drives have to be reaching the limit of their capacities if they aren't already there. Laptop drives are stuck at 80 GB so I would imagine the ipods could be stuck at 40 GB for a while.


http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112153,00.asp


If you can put a 4GB hard drive in the space of a matchbox you can probably put 80GB in space of an iPod.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1252091,00.asp

IBM has found a method of getting around some of the limitations that you are talking about by adding a layer of ruthenium to the hard drive platter. Also known as "pixie dust". The above device is one of the first, AFAIK, to use this method.

I'm guessing next summer/fall we'll see if not 80GB drives, 60GB or 70GB ones. We haven't hit the wall yet, and it seems like whenever we get close someone finds a way of poll vaulting it. The 80GB drives only came out last summer-fall so the timeframe for new drives isn’t that off. If we don’t see or hear about new drives by summer of 2004 then I’d start getting a bit worried.

[jbembe]

By the way, anyone know why my computer won't recognize 2 ipods at once? When I first plugged my 40gig into the firewire port open, the 10gig I had already active on the desktop was taken off the desktop without me doing anything.

[ewinemiller]

Originally posted by Photorun
Thanks PaulC, very interesting tidbit. My main reason for getting an iPod is because my use will be mostly stationary. However it's fairly enlightening as there was that thoguht "hmmm... I wonder if I can jog with it?" Still a great purchase, just don't jog it.

I don't thinks it's as bad as the original poster made it out to be. I was listening to mine while walking the other day for a few hours and there was nary a hiccup. I didn't jog or run so I can't vouch for that, but walking with it in your pocket is not a problem. I did have a bad 30gig that just got replaced that would lock up if you just looked at it wrong and finally just up and died, but the replacement had been rock solid.

[Bunzi2k4]

well i've done some running with it... i've found no skipping... but i didn't run for hours and hours... i ran for about 20 mins with the ipod and nothing happened... so... yea...

[sushi]

Originally posted by Dahl
I understand the larger HD is a good way for Apple to update their iPods without selling cheaper models, but when they introduced them, didn't they also promote how fast it transfered etc.
I have 1000's of records too, but I don't really need all of them on an iPod, I would rather have a cheaper model and exchange music as I need it.

I agree. With FW, it is so easy, fast and painless to sync selective playlists.

I know a bunch of PC using folks that would jump at a 10GB one for $199. The $299 is just too much in their minds.

Additionally, I would love to have a solid state iPod in 1 or 2 GB capacity. I must commute by train while wearing a suit. A thinner iPod would sure be nice -- especially one less than 3/8 inch. Now that would be nice.

Sushi

[sushi]

Originally posted by Photorun
I wonder if I can jog with it?" Still a great purchase, just don't jog it.

I have an original 10GB one.

I walk, jog, run, ski, etc. with it. So far no problems after about 18 months.

Maybe I am just lucky. Knock on wood, so far so good! :)

Sushi