Apple Expo 2003 Pictures

[MacRumors]

99Mac.com posts (http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/) photos from the set-up of Apple Expo 2003.

At the Apple Booth, there appear to be iMacs, eMacs and PowerMacs setup, under a sign promoting iChat AV and the iSight. According to the site, closer examination was not possible due to nine guards protecting the booth as well as "secret boxes".

Another user also posted other photos (http://homepage.mac.com/kenrohde/PhotoAlbum11.html) of the Apple Expo setup.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Man, I wish I was in Paris! I'd just have to leap behind those black sheets and grab myself a new PowerBook, security guards be damned!

[rpedde]

I'm time-zone challenged. The keynote will be in something like 15 hours, right? I guess what I'm asking is that for those of us in the US, the Apple store should be updated tomorrow morning, right?

[F/reW/re]

Why do they set up iBooks with a 2 button scrollwhele mouse? Have Apple finaly understood that a one button mouse is stupid? Or is someone else in charge of setting up the machines?

[morlium]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
Why do they set up iBooks with a 2 button scrollwhele mouse? Have Apple finaly understood that a one button mouse is stupid? Or is someone else in charge of setting up the machines?

that is weird ....

[wood_e]

If I was there I bet the guards would open fire on me... I'd take one of the locked boxes :D

[Jays]

In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...

[greenstork]

Mmmmmmmm, metal boxes from Cupertino, yummy! :cool:

[dho]

Any g5 Powerbooks on display?:D

[displaced]

I believe that's Xcode... (the unknown icon, that is...)

[xtekdiver]

I am getting the tingly feeling looking at those boxes. How could that just be a piddly little .2 upgrade?? It has to be a G5. 13 hours to go...

[macMaestro]

Originally posted by wood_e
If I was there I bet the guards would open fire on me... I'd take one of the locked boxes :D
Ah... such a sweet way to die. The new 15" firmly in your grip as the apple guards fill your body with bullets.

[TEG]

Good catch, but it could be for Xcode. Also I saw what looked like a green iPod box, any Idea what it is.

TEG

[NitzerX]

Originally posted by Jays
In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...

XCode

[Chealion]

Who made that mouse? I've never seen one like it. It looks rather large compared to most I've seen...

[pkradd]

Those mysterious boxes contain Krispy Kreme doughnuts! :D

[dongmin]

Originally posted by Macrumors
99Mac.com posts (http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/) photos from the set-up of Apple Expo 2003.

At the Apple Booth, there appear to be iMacs, eMacs and PowerMacs setup, under a sign promoting iChat AV and the iSight. According to the site, closer examination was not possible due to nine guards protecting the booth as well as "secret boxes".

well at least we know what's NOT going to be updated.

that leaves PowerBooks, iPods, & Xserves...

[Jays]

Originally posted by NitzerX
XCode

and what do you think is the box to the right of it? the Panther box?

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
Why do they set up iBooks with a 2 button scrollwhele mouse? Have Apple finaly understood that a one button mouse is stupid? Or is someone else in charge of setting up the machines?

Look at those pathetic and generic looking mice! My money is that they are going to be replaced with the new wireless mouse and keyboard.

[Master Fwiffo]

At last! Will this be the long anticipated Powerbook release? Or will Bill Gates get the last laugh as 40000000 angry Mac Fans descend on France when Steve Jobs fails to anounce them?

Tune in tonight for Armegeddon: Apple.

*FIRST POST*

[wood_e]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Ah... such a sweet way to die. The new 15" firmly in your grip as the apple guards fill your body with bullets.

My last words:

"You may kill me, but you'll never kill the apple rumor community!"

10 minutes later the expo starts....

[Juventuz]

Man I'm so excited to see what's released. It's like I'm 5 again and it's Christmas eve.

[Tom Golden]

"Man I'm so excited to see what's released. It's like I'm 5 again and it's Christmas eve."

*PUTS OUT MILK AND COOKIES*

[Black Badger]

From having a look at the pics I have deduced Miss Marple style that the following will be announced tomorrow at Paris;

Predictions:

iChat AV shipping
iSync & iCal updated
OS X Panther ship date given (why the Panther X logo everywhere and "Evolution of the species" banner , no Jaguar textured X's anywhere, so ship date must be fairly soon)
New Powerbooks, suspicious by their absence.


As for the secret boxed they are from a exhibition and design company called Superior, who list Apple as one of their clients, they probaby contain stands, lights and all that other stuff.

The only thing that puzzles me is why there is not a QT stream, normally if there if a (major) hardware announcement there is a stream?

[Juventuz]

:D

Hey, is that pic of the car the rumored car from Diamler/Chrysler? The one that supposedly has an iPod built in.

[NitzerX]

Originally posted by Jays
and what do you think is the box to the right of it? the Panther box?

Hmm... an illustration of fast user switching perhaps.

Look at DSC00363.JPG in the second set of pictures.

Between the two pictures you can kind of make out the dock on both sides of the cube.

[Chealion]

Black Badger - There wasn't a stream for WWDC either. So I believe its not normal practice to have a live QT Stream, but a stream of the keynote most likely will show up on Apple's site after the fact.

[AppleMatt]

One of the pictures (E38S8575) quite clearly shows a Mac OS X 10.3 Panther banner.

AppleMatt

[mkaake]

i really really really really like the fact that no pb's have been sighted yet...

matt

[simX]

Originally posted by NitzerX
Hmm... an illustration of fast user switching perhaps.

Look at DSC00363.JPG in the second set of pictures.

Between the two pictures you can kind of make out the dock on both sides of the cube.

Yep, that's exactly what it is.

Lol, "[e]volution of the species." What a great tagline. :)

[MM2270]

I think it's significant that the iBooks for registration are set up with 2 button scrollwheel mice. I think Apple's priming users for the rollout of a 2-button scrollwheel bluetooth mouse and matching keyboard!

Oh, I can feel it now, this is going to be a good Expo! new 15" PBs, possibly other PB's updated, new keyboard/mouse setup, Panther shipping date, and possibly an iTunes Music Store announcement!? You GO Apple!! :D :D :)

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Juventuz
:D

Hey, is that pic of the car the rumored car from Diamler/Chrysler? The one that supposedly has an iPod built in.

That's the one.

Originally posted by simX
Yep, that's exactly what it is.

Lol, "[e]volution of the species." What a great tagline. :)

They probably got permission from VW during the negotiations for the "Pods Unite" campaign. The New Beetle has been advertised with the tagline, "Evolution of a Species".

[Chealion]

Expect nothing and Apple will surpass your expectations, expect the moon, and they shall fail.

[Chaszmyr]

Originally posted by Chealion
Expect nothing and Apple will surpass your expectations, expect the moon, and they shall fail.

Maybe, but I want G5 powerbooks, not the moon :-P

[Chealion]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Maybe, but I want G5 powerbooks, not the moon :-P

Are you sure you don't want the brand-new circular G5, with built in white light and specially made plastic to make it look like the moon? It'll fit right in with all the other PowerBook rumors. :p

[edgar_is_good]

Originally posted by Chealion
Expect nothing and Apple will surpass your expectations, expect the moon, and they shall fail.

What?!?!?! You mean the G5 powerbook will be moon powered?!?!

Moonpowered G5 powerbooks... confirmed!

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by dongmin
well at least we know what's NOT going to be updated.

that leaves PowerBooks, iPods, & Xserves...

actually, there are xserves in some of the pictures, and the ipods were updated a week ago... so it seems to me that every product is accounted for except the powerbooks.

I'm a little disappointed... I was hoping for ibook updates along with the powerbooks.

[Chaszmyr]

They have iBooks set up... but they dont seem to have any on display.... I think iBook updates arent likely, but still a possibility

[Photorun]

Actually there'll be Powerbook G6s there, Jobs has been reading all these inane G5 Powerbook posts and wants to make sure you're not on to him.

[cough]

G4s a'comin... better deal with it now.

PS Man there's a lot of 17" iMacs there!

[Chaszmyr]

I should be taking names of everyone who says there is no chance of a Powerbook G5 just on the off chance that one is announced :-P

[macMaestro]

Originally posted by Juventuz
:D

Hey, is that pic of the car the rumored car from Diamler/Chrysler? The one that supposedly has an iPod built in.
Nope. It's a SMART car, quite popular in Europe (or so I hear). They now come with an optional built-in iPod.

[edgar_is_good]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Nope. It's a SMART car, quite popular in Europe (or so I hear). They now come with an optional built-in iPod.

What does that mean "built-in iPod"? Beyond just coming with an iPod I mean?

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Jays
In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...

That's XCode, new developer tools (Project Builder replacement, shipping with Panther last I heard).

[Warnich]

One of the boxes reads 'Superior Exhibits and design'.

Their webpage tells us what they do:
http://www.superiorexhibits.com/pages/whatoffr.html

Prototyping
Finishing: Wet, Powder Coating and Anodizing
Metal Working: Structural and Finish

etc.

But also: Graphic Production: Photography, Silk Screening, Digital Reproduction, Laminating, etc.

Not to mention:
AV Integration and Custom Control Devices

Could be prototypes. Could be AV equipment. Could be....

[eric67]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Nope. It's a SMART car, quite popular in Europe (or so I hear). They now come with an optional built-in iPod.
for your info, the Smart was designed by Swatch + Daimler/Chrysler. actuallt by Swatch and Mercedes (Daimler/Benz) before Daimler bough Chrysler.

[jorgenah]

Originally posted by Jays
In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...
looks more like a cad application Autocad?

[Wonder Boy]

remember the mystery box back in the spring with the green light bulb on it? it may have been a hoax, but we'll see tomorrow.


BTW- I cant wait for the expo! ~12 hours to go!!!

[eric67]

Dear All,

if you pay attention in the very last picture of the gallery there is a a banner with written on MacOSX 10.3 Panther, I guess for that point it is not a rumor anymore
Panther is going to be demoed and announced.
Concerning the rumors for iTMS, well it might go for Windiws in October, but one should notice (exclusive info) that Steve Job will be the guest tomorrow evening of one of the most popular show (type question/answer, not formal at all) on the private channel Canal+ (a subsidary of Vivendi Universal)
if he accepted that invitation, it means that he might announce something big for europe (iTMS) or at least windows version.
Just to mention to you Head of Apple France was on the national radio for commenting on iTMS and Apple technology recently.

[kylos]

Originally posted by MM2270
I think it's significant that the iBooks for registration are set up with 2 button scrollwheel mice. I think Apple's priming users for the rollout of a 2-button scrollwheel bluetooth mouse and matching keyboard!

Oh, I can feel it now, this is going to be a good Expo! new 15" PBs, possibly other PB's updated, new keyboard/mouse setup, Panther shipping date, and possibly an iTunes Music Store announcement!? You GO Apple!! :D :D :)

Exactly. I think those non-descript mice indicate Apple has finally gotten a clue and the new Apple mice will be 2-button and scrollable as well as bluetooth based.

[crees!]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
One of the pictures (E38S8575) quite clearly shows a Mac OS X 10.3 Panther banner.

AppleMatt

Well having "Panther" on the banner gives it all away. On another photo there is an image of FileVault and Expose (DSC00801).

[Tom Golden]

" you pay attention in the very last picture of the gallery there is a a banner with written on MacOSX 10.3 Panther, I guess for that point it is not a rumor anymore. Panther is going to be demoed and announced."

I would have to agree with you. Look at all the banner's. They are done in grey and black. If you notice one states "evolution of the species"....Panthers is COMING!

[jettredmont]

I wonder if those are the same G5 PowerBook-containing boxes that started showing up at Apple Stores immediately preceding WWDC ...

[Tom Golden]

I wonder if those are the same G5 PowerBook-containing "boxes that started showing up at Apple Stores immediately preceding WWDC ..."

Come again??

[eric67]

Originally posted by rpedde
I'm time-zone challenged. The keynote will be in something like 15 hours, right? I guess what I'm asking is that for those of us in the US, the Apple store should be updated tomorrow morning, right?

here it is
keynote starts at 10h00 in Paris, so it will be 04h00 in US on the east Coast, then of course Apple Store goes off line worldwide for update, then let say around 11h30 Paris Time, so 05h30 US East Coast time, the store will be back after Steve Job announced the new poerbook , Panther, iOffice, ....

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by jettredmont
I wonder if those are the same G5 PowerBook-containing boxes that started showing up at Apple Stores immediately preceding WWDC ...

Those were iSight cameras and "new" G4 PowerMacs in those "secret boxes" back in June...

[allpar]

smart is made by DaimlerChrysler AG. It was originally a coalition of Daimler-Benz and Swatch and was later taken over by DB because Swatch can't deal with losses of that magnitude. Currently the smart likely to make it to thte US is an SUV based on the forfour which is a joint venture with Mitsubishi whcih is also owned 34% by DaimlerChrysler AG. You won't see MMC on DCX's web site because they are not wholly owned. Chrysler is, though.

Daimler-Benz / DaimlerChrysler holds the distinction of being in the auto industry what pre-Jobs Apple was in the computer industry.

Note - yes, in my non-Mac life I report on cars.

http://www.acarplace.com/
http://www.allpar.com/


Originally posted by macMaestro
Nope. It's a SMART car, quite popular in Europe (or so I hear). They now come with an optional built-in iPod.

[clonenode]

Originally posted by jettredmont
I wonder if those are the same G5 PowerBook-containing boxes that started showing up at Apple Stores immediately preceding WWDC ...

No. The stores get boring cardboard boxes.

[lynnpye]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Ah... such a sweet way to die. The new 15" firmly in your grip as the apple guards fill your body with bullets.

See, old tech CAN be superior. Think those bullets would have had a chance with a Titanium PB? NO WAY, IT'S TITANIUM BABY!

[uberman42]

the big question is: Will the Apple Stores be open at 1:00 AM west coast time for those Mac fans with insomnia?

[jacg]

Originally posted by Kyle?
Exactly. I think those non-descript mice indicate Apple has finally gotten a clue and the new Apple mice will be 2-button and scrollable as well as bluetooth based.

The wired mice are all connected to non-bluetooth iBooks aren't they?

[charlesc]

for what it's worth, as well as the last photo spelling out 'panther', look at the 2'nd row down, right side photo (DSC00801.JPG). There is a clearly a picture of the 'file vault' in the banner as
well.

There is no way Apple would keep g5 pb's in locked metal boxes on the show floor for anyone to roll away.

[machem]

Originally posted by charlesc
for what it's worth, as well as the last photo spelling out 'panther', look at the 2'nd row down, right side photo (DSC00801.JPG). There is a clearly a picture of the 'file vault' in the banner as
well.

There is no way Apple would keep g5 pb's in locked metal boxes on the show floor for anyone to roll away.

Yea, just stick a couple of those things in your pocket, and you'd be gone before anyone noticed you. :rolleyes:

[gothamac]

I can't believe nobody else noticed this..

[justytylor]

Nice try at a fake pic. Would be more convincing with correct grammar though.

[reidab]

From all of the expo experience I've had, the iBooks with the mice in question aren't set up by Apple. The MIGHT be supplied by Apple, but since I've been at several non-mac conventions which use macs for registration, I doubt it. These iBooks are most likely owned, and were most definately set up, by Reed Exhibitions. Even if Apple is supplying the iBooks, it's fairly common practice among exhibition companies to provide a mouse when a laptop is being used in a high-volume public setting due to the fact that many consumers are not well versed in using a touchpad. Therefore, I doubt that there is any direct connection between the release of bluetooth peheriphals and the mice shown in the photo. Now, that's not to say that the bluetooth stuff might not be released all the same, just that those mice probably have nothing at all to do with it.

[machem]

Originally posted by gothamac
I can't belive nobody else noticed this..

Yea! Noone didn't not notice that one. I didn't not squint my eyes enough.

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
The New Beetle has been advertised with the tagline, "Evolution of a Species".

Beetles with Apple music products inside... sounds like grounds for another lawsuit by Apple Corp. ;)

[eric67]

another banner with Panther mentioned
http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/pages/E38S8560.htm
and another place with this strange icon
http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/pages/E38S8561.htm
on the top right , on this banner, a hammer and a compass, or something = iOffice icon??

[Chaszmyr]

My goodness, that strange icon is still Xcode. Not iOffice. Xcode!

If you dont believe me (and the dozen other people who have said it) you can look at the little Xcode icon here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/)

[etoiles]

Originally posted by edgar_is_good
What does that mean "built-in iPod"? Beyond just coming with an iPod I mean?

It means that there is a little 'dock' in the car that lets you snap-in your ipod. Nice and clean. None of that 'put an ipod into a cupholder with cables running to deck' VW workaround.

But as I understand it they only did it for a limited series, about 100 or so cars...so far. Oh, and this is off topic but Smart is going to sell cars (the roadster and 4door) in the US ! Wohooo !

[gothamac]

My feeling is that the 15" Aluminum PB should have joined its siblings a long time ago.
But with IBM progressing faster than expected with the G5, the project was scrapped in favor G5's across the board. Even the 12" and 17" haven't seen revisions in a curiously long time. Add to that the pricing rumors, and the fact that the G4 has lost all of its clout (even Steve called them tonka trucks) and I think we're in for the G5 PB.

[eric67]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
My goodness, that strange icon is still Xcode. Not iOffice. Xcode!

If you dont believe me (and the dozen other people who have said it) you can look at the little Xcode icon here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/)
you are right sorry forthe mess

[Photorun]

I wonder if those are the same G5 PowerBook-containing boxes that started showing up at Apple Stores immediately preceding WWDC ..

Those boxes contain sedatives for all those G5 delusional Powerbook hopefuls when they hear the truth... there ain't no G5 Powerbooks... only G4s ones!

And can someone tell me why people voted to give a post about pictures a "negative?" Are you people daft? How are pics of the expo negative?!?!

UGH!

[tny]

Originally posted by jorgenah
looks more like a cad application Autocad?
It's not. It's XCode.

[eric67]

Originally posted by gothamac
My feeling is that the 15" Aluminum PB should have joined its siblings a long time ago.
But with IBM progressing faster than expected with the G5, the project was scrapped in favor G5's across the board. Even the 12" and 17" haven't seen revisions in a curiously long time. Add to that the pricing rumors, and the fact that the G4 has lost all of its clout (even Steve called them tonka trucks) and I think we're in for the G5 PB.
if true then it is really going to be the year of the labtop

[MattG]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm 15" aluminum powerbooks

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Nope. It's a SMART car, quite popular in Europe (or so I hear).

Europe (at least mainland Europe) has a lot of cool small cars. The locals probably thought I was crazy taking pictures of their cars :p

[CircuitX]

does anyone know the translation of the sign on the secure box pic (The Secret Apple Boxes - E38S8570.jpg) I think it says "Portede Versailles Booth"

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by CircuitX
does anyone know the translation of the sign on the secure box pic (The Secret Apple Boxes - E38S8570.jpg) I think it says "Portede Versailles Booth"

It means "no G5s in here" :p

[steveh]

Originally posted by Jays
In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...

Hammer, blueprint and drafting tools?

New Xcode icon?

[lewdvig]

Those boxes look like Booth boxes. But the black sheets, especially over the banner, are a dead give away.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by CircuitX
does anyone know the translation of the sign on the secure box pic (The Secret Apple Boxes - E38S8570.jpg) I think it says "Portede Versailles Booth"

Versailles booth carrier/container

[beefstu01]

Here's a picture that you should all ponder. I'm really surprised nobody picked on it yet ->

http://homepage.mac.com/kenrohde/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-09-15%2007.19.46%20-0700/Image-AADD42D8E78611D7.jpg

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?

::Edit::
Forgot to say that I'm not sure if this is an Apple booth... those look like audio mixers infront of every machine... but why he hell mix audio with a lowly G4...? Are these the new 15" PBs? They look too small to be the 17" model.

[e2chris]

Originally posted by steveh
Hammer, blueprint and drafting tools?

New Xcode icon?

Do people read? Or just post? No really this is pathetic...

[machem]

Originally posted by CircuitX
does anyone know the translation of the sign on the secure box pic (The Secret Apple Boxes - E38S8570.jpg) I think it says "Portede Versailles Booth"

My French is a bit rusty but I'm pretty sure it means "No Powerbooks in here, nosir!".

Either that or "Mock turtlenecks, black".

[steveh]

Originally posted by charlesc
There is no way Apple would keep g5 pb's in locked metal boxes on the show floor for anyone to roll away.

On the other hand, A/V equipment for tradeshows commonly gets shipped to/from them in similar cases.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Beetles with Apple music products inside... sounds like grounds for another lawsuit by Apple Corp. ;)

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT

STEVO BEATS RINGO STAR WITH A CANE - PINATA STYLE - AS NEW 'SPECIAL EDITION' IPODS COME TUMBLING OUT.

HOWS THAT FOR APPLES IN A BEATLE?

[Romanesq]

The frenzy has built to a crescendo. The masses rumored each other to death for the final Apple announcements and then...

Powerbooks available at the Apple Store in 2-3 weeks.

Sounds like a G4 upgrade, but how I want so bad to believe:

- that before even G5 duals have hit their preorders, Apple has G5 laptops ready to announce.

- that even before all the orders for the lower 2 G5s have reached the hands of their owners, we're looking at G5 PBs.

- that all this and more... If I read one more post by a guy saying that the G5 is too hot for a PB, I'll puke.

Sadly, I don't remember the last time Apple surprised with a big one and all evidence says it won't happen now.

So who cares what you think. Roll out the G5 powerbooks. :p

[e2chris]

Originally posted by beefstu01
Here's a picture that you should all ponder. I'm really surprised nobody picked on it yet ->

http://homepage.mac.com/kenrohde/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-09-15%2007.19.46%20-0700/Image-AADD42D8E78611D7.jpg

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?

::Edit::
Forgot to say that I'm not sure if this is an Apple booth... those look like audio mixers infront of every machine... but why he hell mix audio with a lowly G4...? Are these the new 15" PBs? They look too small to be the 17" model.

I looked at this pic and noticed that the keyboards look HUGE. Why wouldnt they use there apple keyboards on the powebooks? Oh wait i know why... cause they are so dam expensive... hhehe

[jouster]

Originally posted by beefstu01
Here's a picture that you should all ponder. I'm really surprised nobody picked on it yet ->

<snipped the pic>

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?

::Edit::
Forgot to say that I'm not sure if this is an Apple booth... those look like audio mixers infront of every machine... but why he hell mix audio with a lowly G4...? Are these the new 15" PBs? They look too small to be the 17" model.

It seems highly unlikely that Apple would leave a new, unanounced product where someone could wander in and take a photo of it. Also, who can tell with such a blurry image?

[cliffm]

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?

I wonder whos booth is that? Every demo machine has a Midi Controller next to it. They look kinda like the new Korg Microcontroller. They are too blurry to tell though. Could be NI or someone.

As far as audio mixing on a "lowly G4" The Protools 6 Demo Digidesign put on was using an old 400(!!) mhz PowerBook with 36 channels of audio, midi and effects playing back at the same time. BT uses a G4 PB to produce most of his tracks as does Hybrid. I think the power of the G4 is underestimated with all of the G5 hype.

[e2chris]

Originally posted by Romanesq
The frenzy has built to a crescendo. The masses rumored each other to death for the final Apple announcements and then...

Powerbooks available at the Apple Store in 2-3 weeks.

Sounds like a G4 upgrade, but how I want so bad to believe:

- that before even G5 duals have hit their preorders, Apple has G5 laptops ready to announce.

- that even before all the orders for the lower 2 G5s have reached the hands of their owners, we're looking at G5 PBs.

- that all this and more... If I read one more post by a guy saying that the G5 is too hot for a PB, I'll puke.

Sadly, I don't remember the last time Apple surprised with a big one and all evidence says it won't happen now.

So who cares what you think. Roll out the G5 powerbooks. :p


I hope its G5 PB's also but I doubt it. They might release 2 G4 PB's then give a release date of the G5 in december or something like that... then of course it wont ship till Feb... hehe

[zebra451]

If you're looking for photos (actually it's a QTVR) of the new Smart Car, check out:
http://www.panoramas.dk/. It shows an iPod.

[actionslacks]

Originally posted by e2chris
I looked at this pic and noticed that the keyboards look HUGE. Why wouldnt they use there apple keyboards on the powebooks? Oh wait i know why... cause they are so dam expensive... hhehe

That is an Apple demo set up. They had that at SIGGRAPH for Shake.

Those look like Midi keyboards for a logic demo. they are probably showing how great it works on laptops and desktops.

[e2chris]

Originally posted by actionslacks
That is an Apple demo set up. They had that at SIGGRAPH for Shake.

Those look like Midi keyboards for a logic demo. they are probably showing how great it works on laptops and desktops.


that makes sense. I hope they give us a release date for Panther more than anything else...

[FuzzyBallz]

OMFG, those pad locks on the metal boxes are so lame. You could've break it w/ the heel of a woman's shoe. Or a 1lb hammer. But you do have to take out all the near by guards w/ pepper spread first...

Mmm... secret boxes.

[cheesy]

Originally posted by eric67
Dear All,

if you pay attention in the very last picture of the gallery there is a a banner with written on MacOSX 10.3 Panther, I guess for that point it is not a rumor anymore
Panther is going to be demoed and announced.

why are people so shocked/excited about the panther stuff in all those photos? in case you have forgotten panther was announced at WWDC and has had a page on apple.com for months, it's hardly a rumor.

or do you mean announced as in released?

[jouster]

Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
OMFG, those pad locks on the metal boxes are so lame. You could've break it w/ the heel of a woman's shoe. Or a 1lb hammer. But you do have to take out all the near by guards w/ pepper spread first...

Mmm... secret boxes.

You'd never get them to stand still long enough to spread it on them!

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by lynnpye
See, old tech CAN be superior. Think those bullets would have had a chance with a Titanium PB? NO WAY, IT'S TITANIUM BABY!

Oh, it's actually alluminum and a G5...sorry, you're dead.

[Raiden]

I know its far-fetched, I know it probly wont happen, I know I will be dissapointed if it doesnt, but I really want to be suprised with G5 powerbooks.

I am going to have a ****y day tomarow, and nothing would be more awesome than to wake up, open the ibook, goto my homepage, and see "Introducing the Powerbook G5, the worlds fastest laptop".

[mian]

Originally posted by jouster
You'd never get them to stand still long enough to spread it on them!


Too Funny :D :D

[eric67]

Originally posted by CircuitX
does anyone know the translation of the sign on the secure box pic (The Secret Apple Boxes - E38S8570.jpg) I think it says "Portede Versailles Booth"
"Gate of Versaille3 this is the place where is located the Congress center
Booth is an english word, that we use in French to describe exhibition place/room...

[eric67]

Originally posted by steveh
On the other hand, A/V equipment for tradeshows commonly gets shipped to/from them in similar cases.
in addition as mentioned by 99mac.com, there are plenty of guards, and I doubt they will let people try to open those boxes, neither moving them with a valid authorization...

[eric67]

Originally posted by e2chris
I looked at this pic and noticed that the keyboards look HUGE. Why wouldnt they use there apple keyboards on the powebooks? Oh wait i know why... cause they are so dam expensive... hhehe
I think this is not a keyboard connected to the PB, but a a mixing table for audio and/or video

[e2chris]

Originally posted by Raiden
I know its far-fetched, I know it probly wont happen, I know I will be dissapointed if it doesnt, but I really want to be suprised with G5 powerbooks.

I am going to have a ****y day tomarow, and nothing would be more awesome than to wake up, open the ibook, goto my homepage, and see "Introducing the Powerbook G5, the worlds fastest laptop".

Your homepage is apple.com? ROFL

[madmark]

Originally posted by beefstu01
Here's a picture that you should all ponder. I'm really surprised nobody picked on it yet ->

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?


This booth looks exactly (except with G4s :D ) like the Apple demo booth @ SIGGRAPH. They were demoing Shake, et. al., every hour or so.

-MAD

[e2chris]

Originally posted by eric67
I think this is not a keyboard connected to the PB, but a a mixing table for audio and/or video

Nice Sherlock but someone beat you to it... READ

[KeylimeFusion]

What do you guys think on the display lineup? Obviously since there are some displays on display (ha ha) with the G5s, we probably won't see a physical redesign... but are there any 17" TFTs? From what I've seen in most pics, I've only seen the 20" Cinema Display? What I'm *hoping* for is to see a price reduction if Apple unveils a larger display, shifting the 20" down to the 17" price and moving the 23" down as well. Just imagine:

Monday, September 15, 2003

17" Studio Display $699
20" Cinema Display $1299
23" Cinema Display $1999

Now what if we saw maybe not new displays replacing those price points, but new displays with LOWER price points?

20" Cinema Display $999
23" Cinema Display $1599

And perhaps a new larger display? Just wondering... and hoping perhaps. Nobody else seems to have mentioned new displays... we've had these for quite a while now. What do you guys think?

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by Raiden
I am going to have a ****y day tomarow, and nothing would be more awesome than to wake up, open the ibook, goto my homepage, and see "Introducing the Powerbook G5, the worlds fastest laptop".

I know how you feel. These rumor frenzies provide better entertainment than TV. This is why I always come back to Mac.

I LOVE YOU PEOPLE!

Where the hell is a Tammy Faye Baker emoticon when you need one?

Seriously though, isn't this fun?

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by eric67
"Gate of Versaille3 this is the place where is located the Congress center
Booth is an english word, that we use in French to describe exhibition place/room...

:D I am soooo stupid! I wasn't even close. I love French.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by KeylimeFusion
And perhaps a new larger display? Just wondering... and hoping perhaps. Nobody else seems to have mentioned new displays... we've had these for quite a while now. What do you guys think?

A new finish is overdue. I love the plastics Apple has been using, but the G5 suggests a change in direction. I am kind of surpised the Keyboard has not changed.

[brucku]

So if apple does not have any powerbooks on display *yet*, then they will definately be updated. I dont care what the update is, but those pictures are the first real indication that powerbooks will be updated tomorrow!!!!


YAY!!!:D

[Fender2112]

Originally posted by Jays
In one of the photos there is a banner with an icon i have not seen before! looks to me like a kind of office suit...

It's for Developer Tools and or Xcode

[MontanaMacster]

Anyboby else notice the site for the expo is down: www.apple-expo.com/

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Lancetx
Those were iSight cameras and "new" G4 PowerMacs in those "secret boxes" back in June...

Exactly my point (the downgraded G4's, not so much the iSights ...):

It is beyond foolish to get all up and excited about a locked box.

While I suspect we'll see updated PowerBooks tonight, I do NOTT see the fact that there are locked boxes at a public convention center to be supporting evidence, any more than those "mysterious" Apple Store boxes were evidence of G5 PowerBooks in June.

Go to any reasonably large open-to-the-public convention and you'll encounter multiple locked boxes behind the scenes. These are usually not locked because they contain super-secret-I-can-tell-you-about-them-but-then-I'd-have-to-kill-you new hardware, but, more often than not, because they contain fairly expensive equipment that the owner just doesn't want to get stolen.

[Fender2112]

Originally posted by dongmin
well at least we know what's NOT going to be updated.

that leaves PowerBooks, iPods, & Xserves...

I didn't notice any monitors. Maybe they are also in the locked boxes.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Europe (at least mainland Europe) has a lot of cool small cars. The locals probably thought I was crazy taking pictures of their cars :p

That car looks like a death trap to me, if it ever ran into anything.

Originally posted by allpar
Note - yes, in my non-Mac life I report on cars.

As opposed to Your Mac Life?

Sorry...

Originally posted by eric67
if true then it is really going to be the year of the labtop

Yes, a labtop, not just a laptop, but a computer to be used in labs! It's brilliant!

[Anonymous Freak]

Originally posted by rpedde
I'm time-zone challenged. The keynote will be in something like 15 hours, right? I guess what I'm asking is that for those of us in the US, the Apple store should be updated tomorrow morning, right?

1 AM Pacific, 4 AM Eastern, is the Stevenote.

[Fender2112]

Originally posted by e2chris
I looked at this pic and noticed that the keyboards look HUGE. Why wouldnt they use there apple keyboards on the powebooks? Oh wait i know why... cause they are so dam expensive... hhehe

I noticed the keyboards also. I think this a third party vendor and those are specialized keyboards. Most likely for video.

[Photorun]

I don't really see many Apple monitors there, some on a non-Mac booth, of course ones on the gooseneck of the iMacs sure... but hardly any cinema displays. Hmmm. Maybe they'll add that to the updated G4 Powerbooks.

PS I'm getting ready for the thread tomorrow for the forums tomorrow to lay into the silly G5 PB camp. [warms up] I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

[macnews]

After a rather boring day at work, thank you all for the laughs. I really liked the fake photo. I mean sure, we might have missed it but the people there, taking the pictures couldn't just read it! Wouldn't need much of a zoom lens to capture that.

Anyway, I'm not going to poo poo the G5 sayers. Yes, it would be nice and on christmas eve we all hope Santa has filled our entire wish list. Well, old St. Steve will drop a bag of goodies but he always misses one item on your list. Don't be surprised if there are no new PB's or if they are just G4's.

I'm just curions, how many of you are going to wait now for the G5 PB? Seriously. In June/July I was willing and ready to buy a new updated G4 PB. Figured if announced then I should have it with in a month and get a good 10-12 months use before a G5 announce. After hearing several reasons (rumors) why the PBs were delayed I now have to question that decision. Most people were saying the reason was due to supply of chips from Moto. So what are the odds they can now meet the pent up demand IF the powerbooks are updated? Add on top of that rumors that Moto was having problems with heat issues on higher speed G4s and now you have to ask are these ones (if announced) going to be problematic? IF there was no G5 and IF there was no major pent up demand, I would say Apple would ensure no heat issues. But with the G5 right around the corner and the need to stop losing money due to no supply of laptops, Apple and Moto might have rushed things.

All that considered, what if new PB don't start shipping until Nov/Dec? Then you could be only 3-6 months away (speculation I know) from a G5 Powerbook. My point is where as two months ago I was ready to buy, now I may wait.

[holy MAC!]

i just think there are too many things to announce.... that not all of them can be possible:

ipod special edition
powerbook
mouse
panther shipped...

oh wait.... it IS possible....

oh, just a reminder.

apple-expo.com is down.

[zulgand04]

In my opion something big is comeing tomarrow, due to powerbooks are way over due and the absese of powerbooks in the pictures. There is also the fact that a quote keeps poping in my head from WWDC from steve jobs himself, explaining all the things that have come already and its ONLY the first half of the year. Which in my theory means hes got something big up his sleve before MWSF in jan.


-Neal

[macnews]

Originally posted by holy MAC!
oh, just a reminder.

apple-expo.com is down.

Working fine for me right now.

[mvc]

Originally posted by Photorun
PS I'm getting ready for the thread tomorrow for the forums tomorrow to lay into the silly G5 PB camp. [warms up] I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I told you so.

Can always rely on Photorun for a bright note of encouragement. :p

But, if they are G5s, you're gonna have to come in from the cold for your spankin' boy:p

[nalfein]

Originally posted by macnews
After a rather boring day at work, thank you all for the laughs. I really liked the fake photo. I mean sure, we might have missed it but the people there, taking the pictures couldn't just read it! Wouldn't need much of a zoom lens to capture that.

Anyway, I'm not going to poo poo the G5 sayers. Yes, it would be nice and on christmas eve we all hope Santa has filled our entire wish list. Well, old St. Steve will drop a bag of goodies but he always misses one item on your list. Don't be surprised if there are no new PB's or if they are just G4's.

I'm just curions, how many of you are going to wait now for the G5 PB? Seriously. In June/July I was willing and ready to buy a new updated G4 PB. Figured if announced then I should have it with in a month and get a good 10-12 months use before a G5 announce. After hearing several reasons (rumors) why the PBs were delayed I now have to question that decision. Most people were saying the reason was due to supply of chips from Moto. So what are the odds they can now meet the pent up demand IF the powerbooks are updated? Add on top of that rumors that Moto was having problems with heat issues on higher speed G4s and now you have to ask are these ones (if announced) going to be problematic? IF there was no G5 and IF there was no major pent up demand, I would say Apple would ensure no heat issues. But with the G5 right around the corner and the need to stop losing money due to no supply of laptops, Apple and Moto might have rushed things.

All that considered, what if new PB don't start shipping until Nov/Dec? Then you could be only 3-6 months away (speculation I know) from a G5 Powerbook. My point is where as two months ago I was ready to buy, now I may wait.


The debate time for G5 powerbook is just over. it's time to dream. this is what make earth so miserable place too live, when someone are happy there is alway a big guy who just cannot accept to that.

So KEEP ON SMILLING:D

[EDIT] please do not reply to debate on it

[Fender2112]

The only monitors I see are one 20" at a non-Apple booth and a few in picture DSC00801. It appears to be the backs of the 23" monitors.

Anyone else see this?

[lewdvig]

IT IS ALMOST MIDNIGHT IN EUROPE AND THE SITE IS DOWN

actually the site is fine right now - www.apple-expo.com works for me. nevermind.

[macnews]

Originally posted by nalfein
The debate time for G5 powerbook is just over. it's time to dream. this is what make earth so miserable place too live, when someone are happy there is alway a big guy who just cannot accept to that.

So KEEP ON SMILLING:D

Don't get me wrong - I would love to see a G5 PB. And yes, it is more pschological than anything about speed. I just hate the idea of plunking down $2000-$3000 for a laptop w/a chip that is at its end of life. If a G5 PB is announced, I am buying one first thing.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by macnews
I'm just curions, how many of you are going to wait now for the G5 PB? Seriously. In June/July I was willing and ready to buy a new updated G4 PB. Figured if announced then I should have it with in a month and get a good 10-12 months use before a G5 announce. After hearing several reasons (rumors) why the PBs were delayed I now have to question that decision. Most people were saying the reason was due to supply of chips from Moto. So what are the odds they can now meet the pent up demand IF the powerbooks are updated?

Aha! But if enough people wait, there won't be any pent-up demand, so you can get one almost immediately.

Aha! But if you can get one almost immediately, there WILL be pent-up demand!

It's a paradox! Help me!

[matrix3d]

The following is my observations:
From Image DSC00801.JPG,E38S8575.JPG and E38S8573.JPG.
We can see that the black-sheet covered ad. is in exact front of the stage where Steve will give the Keynote. So this must be something noteworthy! What could it be? They didn't hide the new OS ad. iMac and G5s are all around the expo. No other options could be possibly fit that in. Don't tell me that's a Tablet Mac, or Mac-based PDA ;)

[mvc]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Aha! But if enough people wait, there won't be any pent-up demand, so you can get one almost immediately.

Aha! But if you can get one almost immediately, there WILL be pent-up demand!

It's a paradox! Help me!

while(1) Phil of Mac

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by macnews
Don't get me wrong - I would love to see a G5 PB. And yes, it is more pschological than anything about speed. I just hate the idea of plunking down $2000-$3000 for a laptop w/a chip that is at its end of life. If a G5 PB is announced, I am buying one first thing.

I would not discredit the 750GX (? the newest 750 from IBM - It think its the GX) either. It could be a good stop gap until the G5s systems are ready. It has high clock rate, Altivec, lots of cache, good thermal characteristics, and a 200MHz bus. It should beat out a 7455b.

Or maybe Apple will wait until the G5 PBs are ready and release the 750GX in the iBooks.

[nalfein]

It's so amazing how much i can be nervous about the keynote.

I'm a pc user/switcher and i never been so excited about new product in pc world, i'm shaking and i'm sure i'll have sleeping problems this night ... and i LOVE it.

[cbfro]

Originally posted by matrix3d
The following is my observations:
From Image DSC00801.JPG,E38S8575.JPG and E38S8573.JPG.
We can see that the black-sheet covered ad. is in exact front of the stage where Steve will give the Keynote. So this must be something noteworthy! What could it be? They didn't hide the new OS ad. iMac and G5s are all around the expo. No other options could be possibly fit that in. Don't tell me that's a Tablet Mac, or Mac-based PDA ;)

pretty sure the stevenote will take place in an auditorium instead of in the middle of an open convention floor. bad acoustics you know?

[iLife]

Originally posted by beefstu01
Here's a picture that you should all ponder. I'm really surprised nobody picked on it yet ->

http://homepage.mac.com/kenrohde/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-09-15%2007.19.46%20-0700/Image-AADD42D8E78611D7.jpg

Is it just me, or are there laptops next to every G5? They all seem aluminum, and really thin, like thinner than the 12"er is now. What do you guys say?

::Edit::
Forgot to say that I'm not sure if this is an Apple booth... those look like audio mixers infront of every machine... but why he hell mix audio with a lowly G4...? Are these the new 15" PBs? They look too small to be the 17" model.

I'm sure they're mixing boards of some kind and i don't know what picture you're looking at, but those boxy looking aluminum jobs sitting next to those screens aren't G4's, they're G5's

( possibly for 'garage band'? :D )

[utkucan]

Originally posted by cbfro
pretty sure the stevenote will take place in an auditorium instead of in the middle of an open convention floor. bad acoustics you know?


the keynote is at a completely different location at porte de maillot. (the expo is at porte de versailles)

the area with the chairs is the classic european product showcase area i.e: apple expo, mac expo uk, etc...

[Fender2112]

Originally posted by nalfein
It's so amazing how much i can be nervous about the keynote.

I'm a pc user/switcher and i never been so excited about new product in pc world, i'm shaking and i'm sure i'll have sleeping problems this night ... and i LOVE it.

That's funny. You should do a "Switch" story for Apple.

[fiardinkum]

.... new displays. Aluminum cased displays, a perfect partner for any G5. Very thin and very light. 30 inches in some cases. No Panthers are to be found in these boxes but they will be released into the wild on October 25th. Also in the works are re-vamped XServes with hearts of G5, very nice indeed. Va. Tech. would like to have had those instead of regular G5s, they would have saved 1000's of square feet server room real estate - or have they got them already??????????

[cb911]

looks to me like the only really significant thing about those photos is the fact that there are no PowerBooks on display... or at least no 15" & 17" models.

one things for sure... if there aren't new PowerBooks of some sort... at least an updated 15" model, there's going to be alot of very unhappy people. myself included.

[Fender2112]

I've noticed quite a few newbies today. How about you guys joining the Macumors Folding Team (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21908). We need all the help we can get.

[nazariteguitar]

Is just me or does this powerbook look like a 15 widescreen";) http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/images/E38S8563.JPG

[Phil Of Mac]

And the keyboard isn't even black!

[crees!]

Originally posted by nazariteguitar
Is just me or does this powerbook look like a 15 widescreen";) http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/images/E38S8563.JPG [/QUOTE

Tough call. I'm not sure.

[QUOTE]I'm just curions, how many of you are going to wait now for the G5 PB? Seriously.

I'm snatching up whatever is out next. I've been waiting to switch for soooo long.. about 6 months now. F' M$ from here on out.

[nazariteguitar]

It definitely has the aluminum, the only question is whether it is the 17" or the 15.x.

[beefstu01]

Originally posted by iLife
I'm sure they're mixing boards of some kind and i don't know what picture you're looking at, but those boxy looking aluminum jobs sitting next to those screens aren't G4's, they're G5's

( possibly for 'garage band'? :D )

I was talking about the laptops. I'm wondering why you would do mixing on a G4 laptop if a (dual) G5 tower is sitting next to you.

I'm personally hoping for G5 laptops tomorrow, but even if they don't come, I'll buy whatever does. It's sure to be a screaming fast machine, and I could use one right now... College and all... Hey, does anybody know how good an iSight is at taking pictures of objects that are, oh, say 10m (~20ft) away? I'm thinking of taking pictures of notes instead of drawing pictures... probably a whole lot easier if it iSight can do it.

[crees!]

Originally posted by nazariteguitar
It definitely has the aluminum, the only question is whether it is the 17" or the 15.x.

I would have to think it's the 17" now because why would the new 15" PBs be on display BEFORE they were announced? That would take a little bit of the spotlight off of Steve-o eh?

[_dob_]

That's definetly the 17" Powerbook.

The monitor below it is the 23" cinema display. A 15" next to it would look much smaller. I belive there is an iBook to the right of it aswell.

These PBs are long overdue. If and most likely, they are G4s, they better be available immediatly. A G5 Powerbook I can wait a few months for it to ship.
:p


_dob_

[beefstu01]

Here's my one thing about people complaining about the G5 ship date. You say "why would Apple release a product and not ship it immediately?" Simple.

Where did Apple release the G5? The WWD(eveloper)C. Basically, as I see it (which may not be right), Steve wanted to tell the developers that there's a new chip out there, and it's going to be used a lot more. You couldn't have the seminars to talk about optimization for the G5 if that processor didn't exist. So it's announced, but people are told not to expect it to START shipping til late August. Seems to me that Apple has been quite on target for this one. If the PowerBook is released with a G5, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit to see immediate availability, since no other computer would use the processors at the projected clock speeds.

</rant>

[applemacdude]

Oh yeah 15inch powerbooks and 10.3 and plus new scrreens ibooks and updated emacs and powermacs!!:rolleyes:

edit: damn smileys never there when you need them:rolleyes: ;)

[technocoy]

that's a 20in display and a 15in powerbook (old school). I'm typing on mine now sitting beside my 22in cinema display with my pro keyboard, and the keyboard is considerably smaller width wise. My powerbook also looks plenty big next to my monitor. That is also a third party vendor booth, there is nothing special about it. I work for a design firm and we do tradeshows... those are the same boxes we ship our lighting/projectors/plasmas in (not saying there are no powerbooks, i think they will be there, these are not the boxes though).

Not trying to be a downer (i'm about to have fits myself) but you guys are exhibiting signs of hysteria... jesus... THERE IT IS.... no.... THERE IT IS... no IT"S OVER THERE!!

settle down a bit.

technocoy;)

[tizza]

I was wondering, I assume all the shots must have been taken covertly with a mobile phone or something - surely you couldn't just walk around the Expo setup happily taking snaps!

AHHHH this wait is killing me - and I have to wait until Wed in Oz! ;)

[esheep2001]

To me the most significant things in these photos are the lack of any kind of portable or freestanding display on the Apple stand.

This either means one heck of a laptop revamp tomorrow (iBooks->G4, powerbooks->G5) or Apple has become so p***ed off with Moto and their inability to supply chips for notebooks that they've scrapped the whole lines.

The displays I think are imminent too. i didn't think so before seeing those photos but it looks likely I have to admit.

Perhaps the delay in G5 powermacs is so that customers can augment their orders with a new display or two should they wish to? Nah! Anyway, I've already bought mine and like so many other peoples they're sitting in a corner... useless :-(

The control surfaces/keyboards that were in one of the photos (and posted, numerously!, in this forum) were I think microKorg synths. Great little keyboards for music production and live work. Look like a toy but sound like the real deal! I could be wrong though, it's a very blurry pic.

Anway, my money's still on iPads, PowerPads and vpods tomorrow :-)

e.

[nazariteguitar]

Originally posted by iLife
I'm sure they're mixing boards of some kind and i don't know what picture you're looking at, but those boxy looking aluminum jobs sitting next to those screens aren't G4's, they're G5's

( possibly for 'garage band'? :D )

I don't think there mixing board, I think there the new BT keyboard and mouse :p:D

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by applemacdude
Oh yeah 15inch powerbooks and 10.3 and plus new scrreens ibooks and updated emacs and powermacs!!

Cool! New emacs!

The question, though: Terminal-based, or full-on Aqua goodness? Retro, or futuristic mega-os-in-a-text-editor?

Those vi fools will be drooling all over themselves!

[e2chris]

Originally posted by technocoy
that's a 20in display and a 15in powerbook (old school). I'm typing on mine now sitting beside my 22in cinema display with my pro keyboard, and the keyboard is considerably smaller width wise. My powerbook also looks plenty big next to my monitor. That is also a third party vendor booth, there is nothing special about it. I work for a design firm and we do tradeshows... those are the same boxes we ship our lighting/projectors/plasmas in (not saying there are no powerbooks, i think they will be there, these are not the boxes though).

Not trying to be a downer (i'm about to have fits myself) but you guys are exhibiting signs of hysteria... jesus... THERE IT IS.... no.... THERE IT IS... no IT"S OVER THERE!!

settle down a bit.

technocoy;)

I completely agree with you. Whats up people?? My god... that is 15'' PB for sure. Not a new one!! you can clearly see the white part that goes around the edge of it.... WOW...

[sonicbaz]

Regarding Picture with microKorgs.

It would be kool if it was a MIDI orchestra scoring live to a Pixar animation on the fly, it could be done! :D

More likely - the setup seriously looks like a midi teaching studio setup suitable for schools or conservatoriums.

The microKorg is a handy controller keyboard regardless of if you use the internal sounds or not.

baz


composer/producer
sonic electronic (http://www.sonicelectronic.net)

[Gyroscope]

I am expecting PB's to go G5. And IBooks to go 7457.

Well doesn't it, just make a sense. :)

[Photorun]

If smoking crack makes sense, sure.

[applemacdude]

damn whats wrong with u people? shees:rolleyes: no slurs please read the damn rules ( i feel rather snappy today);) snyways we will see tommorow i going to stay up all night (ifeel special)

[Gyroscope]

Originally posted by Photorun
If smoking crack makes sense, sure.


:D :D Now,that's funny

[jouster]

Don't wanna rain on anyone's parade, but:

- Could photos of any new PB's exist and be leaked? Sure.

- Would they be in a third party (look at the photo)'s booth? Never in a million years.

If there are new PBs at the show (and here's hoping) they are VERY SECURELY LOCKED UP in Apple's booth. Sadly, they are not available for casual wanderers to photograph.

[panphage]

Originally posted by lewdvig
I would not discredit the 750GX (? the newest 750 from IBM - It think its the GX) either. It could be a good stop gap until the G5s systems are ready. It has high clock rate, Altivec, lots of cache, good thermal characteristics, and a 200MHz bus. It should beat out a 7455b.

Or maybe Apple will wait until the G5 PBs are ready and release the 750GX in the iBooks.

You seem to be smoking last year's crack. The Gobi (750GX) has no Altivec whatsoever. None. Not a bit. NOW we are rumoring the future 750VX (Mohave) to have Altivec. Whatever IBM PPC750 that's coming next with no solid info on it: That's the part with Altivec. :D

[Gyroscope]

It seems that everyone here gets accused of smoking drugs :D

[Wash!!]

Don't we all smoke something at one point or other :D or isit just me:rolleyes:

[strangelogic]

So what will Steve be announcing about the G5 duals that they have started charging (not authorizing - charging) to peoples credit cards tonight?

Now that their order status suddenly went down?

Did they do something special with the duals, or are they just trying to get them out before the keynote?

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
It seems that everyone here gets accused of smoking drugs :D

What's wrong with smoking drugs? I am waiting for my new PB so I can go to Amsterdam and get high (legally) and watch the Lord of the Rings on my 15.4" laptop. Gandalf fighting the Balrog is a rush! Am I right? You know what I speak.

[Stelliform]

Just 6 more hours for wild speculation! Hurry and get it out of your systems. ;) :D

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by strangelogic
So what will Steve be announcing about the G5 duals that they have started charging (not authorizing - charging) to peoples credit cards tonight?

Now that their order status suddenly went down?

Did they do something special with the duals, or are they just trying to get them out before the keynote?

They're frantically trying to justify a PowerBook G5 so soon ;)

[fluidinclusion]

Isn't our Social Security money in that locked box?

Maybe Al Gore will come out on stage and open it for us!

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by panphage
You seem to be smoking last year's crack. The Gobi (750GX) has no Altivec whatsoever. None. Not a bit. NOW we are rumoring the future 750VX (Mohave) to have Altivec. Whatever IBM PPC750 that's coming next with no solid info on it: That's the part with Altivec. :D

Whatever, you knew what I was talking about. FX, GX, VX, PX, RX, AX - IBM has stupid naming conventions. Who can keep them all straight anyway.

Mojave will be a good upgrade chip for older systems if the rumours are true.

[Phil Of Mac]

There will never be an Altivec G3. It would be easier to make a 90 nm G5, which would be cool and cheap enough to put across the line. Debate over.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by xtekdiver
What's wrong with smoking drugs? I am waiting for my new PB so I can go to Amsterdam and get high (legally) and watch the Lord of the Rings on my 15.4" laptop. Gandalf fighting the Balrog is a rush! Am I right? You know what I speak.

They are obviously just upset that they don't have any and can't be bothered to leave their keyboards long enough to get some.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
There will never be an Altivec G3. It would be easier to make a 90 nm G5, which would be cool and cheap enough to put across the line. Debate over.

Not you again.

There are lots of good reasons to make an Altivec G3. It has better thermal characteristics than the G5, smaller die, fewer transitors, lower cost to manufacture. They will milk this design as long as they can. It is much more likely that the 750 will see a die shrink before the 970. Sorry. The fact is that these are a nice little revenue stream for IBM in embedded systems and networking equipment in addition to the general application processor market.

And from what I have read IBM is skipping the 90nm process for the G5. They are going straight to 60.

Apple will need some product differentiation between the Pro and Consumer lineup. G4 (if the next 750 is indeed called a 'G4' by Apple) versus G5.

Taking an existing chip design to a new manufacturing process is never easy, and how do you know it would be cheaper? Yes, they will fit more cpu per die, but yields will be low and they have to recoup the costs of gear for a new assembly line.

Thermal characteristics are as much a function of good design as process these days. The thermal characteristics of NVidia's NV30 part were horrible despite it being based on a 130nm process (vs 150nm).

[GregA]

Originally posted by tizza
AHHHH this wait is killing me - and I have to wait until Wed in Oz! ;) No... you have to wait till 6pm tonight/Tuesday (Sydney time)...

Might even get a day of work or study in first!

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by lewdvig
There are lots of good reasons to make an Altivec G3. It has better thermal characteristics than the G5, smaller die, fewer transitors, lower cost to manufacture. They will milk this design as long as they can.

Perhaps. But it would take development work to make an Altivec G3, and if that same development work was put into the G5 or G6, they could get the same advantages with a much better processor.

Originally posted by lewdvig
And from what I have read IBM is skipping the 90nm process for the G5. They are going straight to 60.

That was on Page 2 for a reason. In any case, they wouldn't skip to 60 if they wouldn't get it almost as quickly as they could get 90. And a 60 nm G5 (or G6) would be even better for PowerBooks and iBooks.

Originally posted by lewdvig
Apple will need some product differentiation between the Pro and Consumer lineup. G4 (if the next 750 is indeed called a 'G4' by Apple) versus G5.

Apple strives to have one and only one processor platform. They had that with the G3, and they'll get it with the G5 or G6. It's far more simple and effective. The only reason they didn't have it with the G4 was Motorola's constant shortages. With IBM, I think they'll go back to the single processor platform. Makes it easier to have a unified architecture, for sure.

Originally posted by lewdvig
Thermal characteristics are as much a function of good design as process these days. The thermal characteristics of NVidia's NV30 part were horrible despite it being based on a 130nm process (vs 150nm).

IBM is good design. Yes, they could make the G3 into a killer Altivec platform. But they could just as easily make the G5 into the kind of killer chip that can go all across the line.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
I am expecting PB's to go G5. And IBooks to go 7457.

Well doesn't it, just make a sense. :)

Just to add some more ridiculousness into this thread, what are the odds of the PowerBook and iBook range being condensed into a single line?

Yep, just like I thought, zero :rolleyes:

[iRiKliAN]

How long b4 the kickoff... its 12:30pm Aus East. Std. Time?

Thanks...

We need some sort of timer happenin..

[Mattski]

I'm not sure if this has been covered yet in this thread - (cos it will take me an age to read all 8 pages of it)

But - I believe we will see an entire refresh of the portable line up.

G4 iBooks with SuperDrive - which is no real announcement, we've already got them except they're Aluminium and called a PowerBook for some strange reason.

We can expect software from Apple to be written for G4 or above only. iDVD is already in that league.

iBooks need to be updated to G4 to keep up with these Apps and lower development costs of new software.

There is simply no market sense in keeping the G3 in one model.

[Gyroscope]

Originally posted by xtekdiver
What's wrong with smoking drugs? I am waiting for my new PB so I can go to Amsterdam and get high (legally) and watch the Lord of the Rings on my 15.4" laptop. Gandalf fighting the Balrog is a rush! Am I right? You know what I speak.



Sure I do dude :D

I also have another tip for you.

Try to watch French movie "City of Lost Childern" when high :D

[socbyset]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Perhaps. But it would take development work to make an Altivec G3, and if that same development work was put into the G5 or G6, they could get the same advantages with a much better processor.

But with an altivec G3 they would have the low end all the way to g5 covered.. it would have a smaller die and be cheaper than the G5 (as was already mentioned) and probably have lower power requirements than even a 90nm G5.

Besides I hardly think that dropping altivec into a g3 would be a huge drain on development resources, I would think that there is enough to go around.

Besides which they could capture a lot of the embedded market from Mot's g4 with it, in markets where a g5 might not be appropriate.

No need for one size fits all. I could see one in a fast, nice, cheap 750-based "g4" iBook down the road.

[socbyset]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Cool! New emacs!

The question, though: Terminal-based, or full-on Aqua goodness? Retro, or futuristic mega-os-in-a-text-editor?

Those vi fools will be drooling all over themselves!

My prediction- if they are G5s then we get emacs, to take advantage of the faster processor.. if 1.25 Ghz G4, we will probably still be stuck with vi.

Perhaps sj will unveil improvements and dub it "vi Extreme."

[testnull]

FYI emacs is already available in full Aqua goodness (http://members.shaw.ca/akochoi-emacs/). All you need to do is compile it out of CVS. Whoops, looks like there's a build failure today though.

I've been using CVS from 2003-09-02 and it's been quite stable and very pretty.

(This is not the "emacs on aqua" variant that was around last year - that was Cocoa, this is Carbon and significantly less buggy)

[Drinahn]

Originally posted by matrix3d
The following is my observations:
From Image DSC00801.JPG,E38S8575.JPG and E38S8573.JPG.
We can see that the black-sheet covered ad. is in exact front of the stage where Steve will give the Keynote. So this must be something noteworthy! What could it be? They didn't hide the new OS ad. iMac and G5s are all around the expo. No other options could be possibly fit that in. Don't tell me that's a Tablet Mac, or Mac-based PDA ;)

G5 XServe's anyone?

I'd love a G5 PB, (make it Quad baby!) but I'd probably buy a speed-bumped AlBook G4.

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Aha! But if enough people wait, there won't be any pent-up demand, so you can get one almost immediately.

Aha! But if you can get one almost immediately, there WILL be pent-up demand!

It's a paradox! Help me!

No, here's the paradox:

If they release G4 Powerbooks, everyone will assume the G5 Powerbooks will come out in January. So, not wanting to buy the laptop with a chip on its way out, nobody buys the G4 Powerbook. Apple delays the release of the G5 because they haven't sold any of the massive G4 stock they built in anticipation of pent up demand for Powerbook updates.

"Ho!" the people say. "Look at this massive delay in the Powerbook update cycle! There must be something reaallly special in the works."

Now Powerbook sales really do fall flat. Apple can't release the new Powerbooks because they have so much of the G4's around. And they can't just tell people "We have G5 Powerbooks we're going to release once those G4's get bought." That would be counter productive. So they stay quiet, and the rumors get worse. Now there's people expecting G5 Powerbook updates this day, no this day, no this day. And there's a bunch of yahoos saying "G6 Powerbooks are coming! With optical audio in/out, Firewire 1600, and 8x DVD-RW's standard!"

And the cycling continues...

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by tizza
I was wondering, I assume all the shots must have been taken covertly with a mobile phone or something - surely you couldn't just walk around the Expo setup happily taking snaps!


If you look at all the photos from 99mac.com you see a shot of the guy uploading the photos to his laptop, and he has a full size professional camera sitting next to him.

Although I guess having a picture of yourself with your camera kinda defies logic.

Mobile phone camera <LOL!> No mobile phone camera can take pictures of that quality.

[Chaszmyr]

People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3

[socbyset]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3

I've been saying g3 + altivec because I'm referring to IBM's 750 (g3) series vs mot's 75xx (g4) series, for no better reason than that seems to be how others here have been referring to them.. but it's true that apple will probably brand 750 plus altivec as "G4" (assuming it actually makes it into a mac) & it makes good sense to..

[woodsey]

Only two more hours! Cant wait!

[Gyroscope]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3


Not quite.

There's more difference between G3 and G4 than just in altivec. G4 has much better FPU (derived from PPC 604x) and it's also SMP capable.

Okie dokie

[macnews]

Last what if for the night... and two hours to go.

What if the reason the 15" wasn't updated back in January, or April, or June - was they were spending all the extra effort re-tooling the motherboard and all internal guts to hold a G5?

Hmmmm.......

I know it sounds unlikely but what a great way to go to bed with sweet dreams.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
Not quite.

There's more difference between G3 and G4 than just in altivec. G4 has much better FPU (derived from PPC 604x) and it's also SMP capable.

Okie dokie

Ah, but you are referring to the G3 that the G4 was sort of developed from. The current 750FX has as much in common with the early G3 as the current G4 does. From what I have read the 750GX will be SMP compatible.

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by beefstu01
If the PowerBook is released with a G5, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit to see immediate availability, since no other computer would use the processors at the projected clock speeds.


Jeez, I would be surprised. Wake up people. When has Apple ever announced a computer (not a peripheral) at a convention that was immediately shipping?

Not in a long time, and news from Motorola and IBM leads me to believe this time won't be any different. At the earliest, Apple will say the new PBs are shipping "by October," meaning in 6 weeks. And in truth, it could be December before you see yours.

[sjk]

Originally posted by beefstu01
Where did Apple release the G5? The WWD(eveloper)C. Basically, as I see it (which may not be right), Steve wanted to tell the developers that there's a new chip out there, and it's going to be used a lot more. You couldn't have the seminars to talk about optimization for the G5 if that processor didn't exist.Good point, which many people seem to have missed in G5 "delay" discussions. :rolleyes:

[carlmac]

I have firm reports that Al Gore has the G5 Powerbook in a lock box and that he is keeping the lock box safe for our future not to be opened until 2004. Don't be misled by those other lock boxes at the Apple Expo they are simply decoys.

Here are my last minute predicitions for the Expo...

G4 Powerbook upgrades across the line, with the new 15" PB finally released.
iTunes for Europe launch date announced/possibly released.
iTunes for Windows launch date announced.
iChatAV
upgraded iCal
Special edition iPod or iPod peripherals announced
And one more thing....new software program, possibly in the iOffice line.

It's fun to be a mac fanatic!

[eric67]

a french mac fan site, reports that iBook might also be updated....

[cr2sh]

I've searched and can't find it, so I'm going the easy route.. can someone tell me what company makes these funky looking ipod accessories, and what they are? They look insane... thanks!

http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/pages/E38S8577.htm

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by cr2sh
I've searched and can't find it, so I'm going the easy route.. can someone tell me what company makes these funky looking ipod accessories, and what they are? They look insane... thanks!

http://99mac.com/nyhetsbilder/appleexpo2003/pages/E38S8577.htm

Those aren't accessories. They're personal grooming tools for nails etc..

[cr2sh]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Those aren't accessories. They're personal grooming tools for nails etc..

I must have been mislead by the image caption that read: "Nice iPod accessories from a French company."

[MacBandit]

The only image caption I see is.


E38S8577.JPG