xbox (its got something to do with the mac honest, well kind of) [Archive]

iJon

Sep 16, 2003, 04:17 PM

how stupid, they dont even make the dreamcast any more. how is microsoft trying to steal the market. its sells as much as the ps2 and the gamecube costs less. its a frickin console, its got more power than the other 2 and has fund games. but since conosles are all about games pick which one you want. if all you play is metal gear solid and final fantasy buy a ps2. if al lyou play is zelda and mario kart get a gamecube. if you play sports games, or want to play halo or splinter cell buy the xbox. moral values, i just think thats dumb , but whatever.

iJon

edit: i forgot, splinter cell is for all systems now. but anyways you get the point, buy one what games you will play.

neut

Sep 16, 2003, 04:28 PM

its ****ing microcrap.

i just bought a PS2 and love it. GT3, THPS3, and some other sword game. Now all I need is LOTR and reloaded...oh yeah, and GTA-VC!

ScottDodson

Sep 16, 2003, 05:47 PM

How can Xbox be considered a monopoly??? It only has about 25% market share...and only 5% in Japan. HHHMMMM, not too monopolistic to me...

Also, Xbox figures to lose 100 bucks per console sold....they are already waaaay in the red on this....If Xbox live doesn't take off like expected, I would worry more about Playstation 3 (See it here (http://www.misinformer.com/archive/2001/01/15/))and M$'s Xbox turning into the Dreamcast....

Xbox is strong, but c'mon.....Monopoly?

Waluigi

Sep 16, 2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by ScottDodson
Xbox is strong, but c'mon.....Monopoly?

Doesn't this whole situation sound extremely similar to one 20 or so years ago? And look where Microsoft is now. And look how they have stopped innovating. Everyone who appreciates videogames should be trembling in fear. Do not buy the Xbox no matter how tempting it is. By a Playstation, or better yet, a gamecube. I personally am the proud owner of every nintendo system ever made, and am a ultra satisfied gamer. Also, look how unpopular Xbox is in Japan, the video game center of the world. That to me says a lot. Xbox may have more games then gamecube, but the few quality games you want wont run (mario, zelda, smash bros, etc) just like a PC runs thousands of apps, but not the few quality ones you want (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) that run perfectly on your Apple. DO NOT CAVE IN. Good luck.

--Waluigi

iJon

Sep 16, 2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Waluigi
Doesn't this whole situation sound extremely similar to one 20 or so years ago? And look where Microsoft is now. And look how they have stopped innovating. Everyone who appreciates videogames should be trembling in fear. Do not buy the Xbox no matter how tempting it is. By a Playstation, or better yet, a gamecube. I personally am the proud owner of every nintendo system ever made, and am a ultra satisfied gamer. Also, look how unpopular Xbox is in Japan, the video game center of the world. That to me says a lot. Xbox may have more games then gamecube, but the few quality games you want wont run (mario, zelda, smash bros, etc) just like a PC runs thousands of apps, but not the few quality ones you want (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) that run perfectly on your Apple. DO NOT CAVE IN. Good luck.

--Waluigi
why woudlnt i cave, actually i dont even call it caving. its a good product andi bought it. you talk about the xbox with temptation like satan in the bible. why wouldnt i want to have a powerful console, built in ethernet, hard drive. not only that i can go buy a mod chip and load games up on it and never have to carry around my games. you justify the purchase of an xbox being bad because you cant play zelda and mario, come on. that is a totally pointless remark. thats just as bad as me talking about how games on macs suck becausey you cant play battlefield, jedi academy and more when the mac users im arguing with only play quake 3 and unreal. if the games you want are for xbox why wouldnt you buy it.

iJon

Waluigi

Sep 16, 2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by iJon
why woudlnt i cave, actually i dont even call it caving. its a good product andi bought it. you talk about the xbox with temptation like satan in the bible. why wouldnt i want to have a powerful console, built in ethernet, hard drive. not only that i can go buy a mod chip and load games up on it and never have to carry around my games. you justify the purchase of an xbox being bad because you cant play zelda and mario, come on. that is a totally pointless remark. thats just as bad as me talking about how games on macs suck becausey you cant play battlefield, jedi academy and more when the mac users im arguing with only play quake 3 and unreal. if the games you want are for xbox why wouldnt you buy it.

iJon

Totally missed my point iJon. Just because you can get a PC running hardware that is superior to that of a mac, would that make you buy the PC? I'm assuming most people here love OS X so much that they will give up a little on the hardware end for a LOT on the software end. Xbox is superior on the hardware end to all the current game consoles. However, that doesn't make the games any better. Nintendo has the best games, save Halo and GTAVC (which can now be played on a PC and mac shortly). It is hypocritical to be an advocate of apple and OS X, then turn around and talk about how fast and better the Xbox?

Also, you have to agree that if everyone bought a Xbox, and it started to dominate the console market, microsoft would stop innovating, just like they did with windows. I can't support a company that will lead to the downfall of innovation in game play.

--Waluigi

iJon

Sep 16, 2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Waluigi
Totally missed my point iJon. Just because you can get a PC running hardware that is superior to that of a mac, would that make you buy the PC? I'm assuming most people here love OS X so much that they will give up a little on the hardware end for a LOT on the software end. Xbox is superior on the hardware end to all the current game consoles. However, that doesn't make the games any better. Nintendo has the best games, save Halo and GTAVC (which can now be played on a PC and mac shortly). It is hypocritical to be an advocate of apple and OS X, then turn around and talk about how fast and better the Xbox?

Also, you have to agree that if everyone bought a Xbox, and it started to dominate the console market, microsoft would stop innovating, just like they did with windows. I can't support a company that will lead to the downfall of innovation in game play.

--Waluigi
:rolleyes: its not hypocirtical. yeah i love my macs, but that has nothing to do on what console i hook up to my tv. you say nintendo has the best games, ok prove it. thats right, you cant because its opinion based. now im not saying xbox has better games, but so some people it may, and that is why it stupid to sit here and talk about which console has better games. and about the pc, if all i did was play games i would buy the pc, because it has more games and more top games and the g5 is the only thing thats gonna play games great (according to my standards) with proper coding. but please do not buy an xbox, i know its tempting but its just bad, BAD. also i have a question, should i throw away my intellimouse, i really dont want to see the downfall of the mouse revolution anytime soon, i kind of like it.

iJon

Waluigi

Sep 16, 2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by iJon
:rolleyes: its not hypocirtical. yeah i love my macs, but that has nothing to do on what console i hook up to my tv. you say nintendo has the best games, ok prove it. thats right, you cant because its opinion based. now im not saying xbox has better games, but so some people it may, and that is why it stupid to sit here and talk about which console has better games. and about the pc, if all i did was play games i would buy the pc, because it has more games and more top games and the g5 is the only thing thats gonna play games great (according to my standards) with proper coding. but please do not buy an xbox, i know its tempting but its just bad, BAD. also i have a question, should i throw away my intellimouse, i really dont want to see the downfall of the mouse revolution anytime soon, i kind of like it.

iJon
Wow, I'm surprised at your ignorance iJon. Usually you make smart, informed comments on these boards, but here your just not seeing the big picture. If you can't understand my analogy of Xbox's and PC's, then I can't help you.

Unlike you, I'm being serious. The whole mouse comment was not necessary.

Want proof that gamecube is better?

A sample of some of the best Gamecube exclusives:
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Brothers Melee
Metroid Prime
Super Monkey Balls 2
Zelda Windwaker
Zelda Ocarina of Time/Master Quest Bonus Disk
F-Zero GX
Resident Evil Zero

Also:
Better controllers
Smaller, more attractive case that also weighs nearly 1/3rd of the clunky Xbox
Overall focus on games, rather then a jack of all trades philosophy that Microsoft has incorporated
Awesome ports of classic games released periodically
Innovative game play on a regular basis
Zero load time
Small, futuristic game disks
Choice of colors of consol, and controllers to suit individuals
Great 1st party wireless controller
Easy portibility
Cheaper
Strong coalition with Capcom, ensuring quality games for years to come

iJon

Sep 16, 2003, 08:10 PM

i liked my mouse comment, brought some humor into this. yes i know your serious about this, i know your a diehard gamecube fan, i mean just look at your member name. and i have a gamecube and i have played all those games, and i didnt like most of them. i have all 3 consoles. i have my gamecube for metal gear solid later this year. i have a ps2 for final fantasy, gta3, and more. then i have my xbox for nfl2k4, splinter cell, halo and so forth. all i am saying is your fighting comments that cant be won either way. they all have good games. people like choices, same reason why people buy pc's or macs. if all i play is halo non stop why would i buy a gamecube. if i play vice city non stop why would i buy an xbox or gamecube. its just stuff like that. i just find it funny that your fighting the xbox like its the essence of all evil and will make the sony and nintendo fall like the roman empire. but ill try to stop posting, i didnt want to hurt your feelings.

iJon

Kwyjibo

Sep 16, 2003, 08:16 PM

alright waluigi ther are a few things you are overlooking. I love my xbox its an excellent machine and so is the gamecube. I have a chipped xbox and that is where i'm going from because mod chipping is easy and useful.

first; xbox games are more adult orientated, i'm sorry even at 18 I don't want to help mario fight pollution or navigate luigi thru a ghost filled mansion, i'd rather lead the third eschelon (splinter cell was originally xbox only :) ). Most games follow this treand...doesn't EA have an exclusive m$ contract or one of the big sports makers...zelda is a good game, but I feel like a kid playing it sometimes. They have two controllersthe original, and the S, the S is a good size and the original is a bit big, but many adults have large hands...small controllers are tough to use ...i hate the PS controllers too small, N64 was the perfect size for me...most adults don't care what color their console is...the xbox is pretty durable and its size allows it to be modified.

With a chipped console, functionality quadruples, I can play my download movies and music on the TV at a natural resolution and I can play my DVDS on the xbox ....saves space because i don't need a seperate DVD player and I could even at the digital audio pack for better audio if i was serious about substituting it. I can save the games ot the 80GB hard drive i added and when i leave i don't have to carry my disc, try carry your ultraportable gamecube plus 20 games...and your memory cards..all my save points and cahracters are on the hard drive, a 10gb drive come standard on even non chipped consoles...thats conveinet. I can rip music to use in games which is actually a eally great feature. XBMP a media player can even read media over my network. Online play is streamlined on a solid backend unlike PS or Gamecub backends.

RandomDeadHead

Sep 16, 2003, 08:21 PM

I still enjoy my Magnavox system.:D

Waluigi

Sep 16, 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
With a chipped console, functionality quadruples, I can play my download movies and music on the TV at a natural resolution and I can play my DVDS on the xbox ....saves space because i don't need a seperate DVD player and I could even at the digital audio pack for better audio if i was serious about substituting it. I can save the games ot the 80GB hard drive i added and when i leave i don't have to carry my disc, try carry your ultraportable gamecube plus 20 games...and your memory cards..all my save points and cahracters are on the hard drive, a 10gb drive come standard on even non chipped consoles...thats conveinet. I can rip music to use in games which is actually a eally great feature. XBMP a media player can even read media over my network. Online play is streamlined on a solid backend unlike PS or Gamecub backends.

You just proved my point. The Gamecube is for games only, thus quality games are sole focus of it, which results in better games. Xbox has so many distractions, that games become a secondary feature. I'm love videogames, not the side show the Xbox brings.

Originally posted by iJon
i just find it funny that your fighting the xbox like its the essence of all evil and will make the sony and nintendo fall like the roman empire

So, if someone thought that Microsoft is the essence of all evil and will make Apple fall like the Holy Roman Empire, would that be funny? It is so ironic that people love the Xbox for the same reason they hate PC's here...

iJon

Sep 16, 2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Waluigi
You just proved my point. The Gamecube is for games only, thus quality games are sole focus of it, which results in better games. Xbox has so many distractions, that games become a secondary feature. I'm love videogames, not the side show the Xbox brings.

So, if someone thought that Microsoft is the essence of all evil and will make Apple fall like the Holy Roman Empire, would that be funny? It is so ironic that people love the Xbox for the same reason they hate PC's here...
i like to look at the xbox as getting more for your money, its not secondary features, its extra stuff. its like complaining that your car has power windows, and that your hooptie (not saying you have one) is solely for driving. anyways, i dont hate pc's, i have one and i like it a lot, and although apple is way ahead of microsoft, xp never crashes on me and serves it purpose.

iJon

Shi'an

Sep 16, 2003, 10:24 PM

Well I have played all three boxes and in the end bought a PS2.
Don't have feelings one way or another for any of them, they are all hunks of plastic as far as I'm concerned :)
But I made a very informed decision based on what games I was intending to play.
I would definately call myself a hardcore gamer as I spend over 20 hours a week playing some form of electronic entertainment.

Simple fact is I was after GT3 and GTA Vice City and that made the PS2 the console of choice. After playing games on all three I am assured that I made the correct desicion. I simply would not have enjoyed a XBox or Cube as much.

I think you are failing to see that this all comes with perspective. If you don't agree with someones opinion of which console is best then thats all OK but to try and tell someone their opinion is wrong is not OK.
It all depends on what you like to play.

Each to their own said the woman as she kissed the cow!

kzoonut

Sep 16, 2003, 10:35 PM

I added a mod chip to my xbox and now I can do whatever I want with it - as for the Mac connection - I use the Mac to stream media (mpeg, avi, divx, mp3, jpg, etc..) to it...plus, if I ever get a SuperDrive might mean making *archival* copies of games that much easier...

I have to admit for M$ product - with the mod chip, it's great! .. without the mod chip - toss the thing, I'll take my PS2 anyday...

MacAztec

Sep 16, 2003, 10:39 PM

Hey, I would like to join the discussion.

I have an xBox. Its a really cool console. I like having the ability to hook it up to my nice system at home (65" HDTV, Bose 5.1 System) and have everything function to its highest capabilities.

I have played my friends GameCube, and I will admit that it is fun, but it gets so boring after the first hour. Every Mario game is the same. Same characters, different objectives. No plot. Not that good of graphics, and kiddie like gameplay!

xBox is cool for people over 12 years old. You get shoot em up games, racing games, sports games, etc.

PS2 is an all around good system. Not the best graphics, but a lot of games.

RubberChicken

Sep 16, 2003, 10:50 PM

There are a lot of reasons to avoid buying an Xbox, but in the end I'm going to buy the best product to suit my needs. For the style of games I want, and the implementation of online connectivity Xbox wins handsdown. I don't think anyone wins by picking a lesser product just becasue it's less morally offensive. That just encourages mediocrity. I would also challenge the suggestion that Microsoft ahieved its current monopoly through innovation. Vote with your credit card, it's up to the competition to do one better. And as far as crushing the competition goes, Nintendo may well be ousted (though I hope not), but I can't see Microsoft defeating Sony anytime soon. So as they fight it out, we get to pick from better and better hardware and software. Lastly, you can't view consoles as you would PCs, a gamer can switch or buy additional platforms much more easily and cheaply than a computer. Isn't this supposed to be about having fun!

tkoonce

Sep 16, 2003, 10:56 PM

Apple needs to make a "i-game" gaming console and blow everyone out of the water! Hee, Hee! It would be cool to have a Mac gaming console though!

rainman::|:|

Sep 16, 2003, 11:13 PM

this has nothing whatsoever to do with hardware; the choice for console is driven by the games. if the latest resident evil games, the matrix, zelda, etc etc only came out for xbox, they would dominate the market. the other two would be fringe markets for specialty non-mainstream games. sure they'd still sell, but xbox would be the dominating console by far.

so, is anyone willing to contend that microsoft couldn't/wouldn't try to do just this, offer exclusive contracts loaded with gems... i think they could get most of the big titles if they wanted to.

of course, they could always buy nintendo. sony, not so much...

pnw

LethalWolfe

Sep 17, 2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Waluigi
Want proof that gamecube is better?

Wow... I can't believe you are trying to prove that your opinion is "right" in regards to something that is completely subjective. And I thought some of the Mac Zealots on this board were insane...

Lethal

EDIT: Anyway... I was planning on getting a gamecube but a few things changed my mind.
1. Sega Sports isn't producing titles for GC anymore.
2. Xbox Live.
3. I really dislike the GC controller for sports and fighting games (especially SC II) which is all I really play on my consoles.

Lethal

Kwyjibo

Sep 17, 2003, 12:38 AM

Soul Calibur 2 is sweet and it loosk awesome on my xbox....there is one level where the character is live flames...he looks incredible. The S controller for xbox is probably one of the best controllers i've ever used for a fighting game, the buttosn are the perfect distance for combos, but if you only want one thats easy enough

Bunzi2k4

Sep 17, 2003, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by tkoonce
Apple needs to make a "i-game" gaming console and blow everyone out of the water! Hee, Hee! It would be cool to have a Mac gaming console though!

hey there was a rumor going around (along w/ the iphone) that apple was comming out w/ one, it was a dual 733 mghz g4 processor w/ 4 firewire ports for controllers, 20 gigs of memory and dvd, cd playback compatibility... w/ itunes, imovie, ect on it... and there was supposed to be some special thing u could do with an ipod.... but i don't think apple would make a game system untill they get at least 35% of the consumers using Apple computers...

Bunzi2k4

Sep 17, 2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by paulwhannel
this has nothing whatsoever to do with hardware; the choice for console is driven by the games. if the latest resident evil games, the matrix, zelda, etc etc only came out for xbox, they would dominate the market. the other two would be fringe markets for specialty non-mainstream games. sure they'd still sell, but xbox would be the dominating console by far.

so, is anyone willing to contend that microsoft couldn't/wouldn't try to do just this, offer exclusive contracts loaded with gems... i think they could get most of the big titles if they wanted to.

of course, they could always buy nintendo. sony, not so much...

pnw

ur right, but the only reason why i'm sticking with the ps2 is because of SquareEnix. i mean they have the coolest games like final fantasy, Kingdom Hearts (the best game i've played so far) and a bit more... and for all the halo freaks out there i have 2 games for ya on the ps2 socom us navy seals and socom us navy seals 2 both are 1st/3rd person shooters but FREE online play and realistic weapons ect.

yosoyjay

Sep 17, 2003, 01:59 AM

Buy a X-Box then install a mod chip so you can run emulators. Then you can run games from PS2,PS,N64,SNES,NES, and arcade(mame). It's also a really handy way to get all your media from you network to your TV via X-Box media player. A harddrive upgrade is also nice for just that reason.

MacBandit

Sep 17, 2003, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Hector
I have the moral dilemer of geting an xbox there good and all but they are trying to wipe out the compatition first DC then gamecube and PS2 eventualy they will have a monopoly and get lazy and produce crap consoles that will be popular as their will be no compotition
Sony is thinking they are invincible but all the PS2 owners I know think the PSX is a pile of overpriced crap.

(a small part of me thinks games are pointless wasts of time I try to keep it locked up in a cupbord)

One bye one the yard ganomes steal my sanity.

There is no way the XBox will every wipe out Sony. Microsoft is still losing over $50 per sale on the XBox. Also the PSX is not intended to replace the PS2. The replacement for the PS2 is still a year or so away and it is indeed called the PS3. The PSX is a way of integrating a PS2 into the home entertainment system. It's a Tivo/DVD player/DVD Burner/PS2/Sattelite-Cable tuner. I'm going to have one if it does everything they say it will.

lewdvig

Sep 17, 2003, 11:18 AM

From a hardware standpoint the XBOX is best. Increasingly you will see games look nicer on the XB.

However, in terms of market support. PS2 has sold 60 million units. It is on pace to sell more than the PSone. XB has, or will shortly, hit 10 million units this year. This will establish MS as the number two going forward. Sony is more aggressive and frankly a lot smarter than MS. It will be a long time before they give up first place - if they ever do. Certainly, it won't be this generation or even the next.

This means that it is in the interest of developers to support the PS2. Most games will come out on PS2 even if it is not the prettist version. And PS2 will continue to have many exclusives - more than XB will have.

For example, the only way to play EA's Madden, NCAA, NBA, FIFA and NHL games online with a console is the PS2.

Regarding the look of games, high profile developers like Polyphony (Grand Turismo) and Konami (Metal Gear, Silent Hill) have the resources to push the hardware further. Their games look at least as good as anything on the XB. Kill Zone is one such game. I think it looks as good as Half Life 2. PS2 has hit the golden age most console reach, the point where people start saying 'how did they do that? That console can't/shouldn't be able to do that!'

PS3 is confirmed as being backwards compatible, so games you buy today will work in 5 years when you want some retro action.

PS3 specs, based on what has been stated by Ken Kutagari and IBM so far, are so frighteningly powerful that I can not even comprehend how they will distill this into console form.

from CNet:
"Shin'ichi Okamoto, chief technical officer for Sony Computer Entertainment, said research efforts for the PlayStation 3 are focusing on distributed computing, a method for spreading computational tasks across myriad networked computers. "

"Distributed computing is making headway as a way for researchers to conduct demanding computing experiments, such as an ongoing project by Stanford University to unlock protein structures. "

"Okamoto said the method also appears to hold the most promise for dramatically boosting the performance of the next PlayStation. Game developers have said they would like the next console to have a thousand times the processing power of the PlayStation 2. There's no way to do that with hardware advances alone, he said. "

"Moore's Law is too slow for us," Okamoto said, referring to the long-held truism that semiconductor power doubles roughly every 18 months. "We can't wait 20 years" to achieve a 1,000-fold increase in PlayStation performance, he said."

If you want to know what the Apple's of 2006/7 will be running, read up on IBM's cell processor. It is a quantum leap from the Power architecture.

Is you are still having a tough time deciding, there should be a price drop on both consoles soon. Maybe you can get both...

Spock

Sep 17, 2003, 12:21 PM

Just remember the Gamecube is more like a Mac in more ways than the other 2. Gamcube: PowerPC Gecko, ATi Video, etc...
Then look at the X-Box: Microsoft,Intel see a connection here?What is next, "Run Windows XP On Your X-Box"??

lewdvig

Sep 17, 2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Spock
Just remember the Gamecube is more like a Mac in more ways than the other 2. Gamcube: PowerPC Gecko, ATi Video, etc...
Then look at the X-Box: Microsoft,Intel see a connection here?What is next, "Run Windows XP On Your X-Box"??

Its worse than you think!

XBox is already running an NT kernel. I have read that it is like a stripped down XP.

Unfortunately for Mario, GC enjoys about the same market share as Mac. Maybe not quite so bad, but getting worse.

First sega, now nintendo. How sad.

hvfsl

Sep 17, 2003, 01:33 PM

I would not bother with the PS2 since it is too slow now and most games come on all the consoles now. If you have a fast Mac or PC then I would get a GameCube, if not get an Xbox. Halo2 is the only game on the Xbox that is any good, that is not coming on other consoles or the PC/Mac. Spliter Cell etc are all on the Gamecube and PS2.

hvfsl

Sep 17, 2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by lewdvig
Its worse than you think!

XBox is already running an NT kernel. I have read that it is like a stripped down XP.

Unfortunately for Mario, GC enjoys about the same market share as Mac. Maybe not quite so bad, but getting worse.

First sega, now nintendo. How sad.

World wide the Xbox is behind the GameCube (only just). The only market it has done well, is in USA. Before Christmas 2002 the Dreamcast outsold the Xbox in Japan. I wish people would look at the figures before making silly statements like this.

Also the Xbox uses a stripped down 2000 Kernel, not XP (although they are similar).

Bunzi2k4

Sep 17, 2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by lewdvig
Its worse than you think!

XBox is already running an NT kernel. I have read that it is like a stripped down XP.

Unfortunately for Mario, GC enjoys about the same market share as Mac. Maybe not quite so bad, but getting worse.

First sega, now nintendo. How sad.
i honestly don't care for nintendo they're for the yitto kids anyway :-P... lol the onlt thing they have that's really good is the gameboy, but since sony is comming out with the psp, i dunno nintendo might go out unless they really kick it up a notch...

but i really like dreamcast, it was deffinantly better than n64 and psx, but no match for ps2 and xbox... how sad :-( well if nintendo goes out like sega, i wouldn't mind playing sonic, mario, and starfox on my ps2 :-D

lewdvig

Sep 17, 2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by hvfsl
World wide the Xbox is behind the GameCube (only just). The only market it has done well, is in USA. Before Christmas 2002 the Dreamcast outsold the Xbox in Japan. I wish people would look at the figures before making silly statements like this.

Also the Xbox uses a stripped down 2000 Kernel, not XP (although they are similar).

The XB has been outselling the GC in every territory except Japan for a long time. I think the XB has already passed the GC - if its not official yet it will be soon. It has been selling well since they dropped the price.

A quote from Gamespot:
"Sony has said it expects to sell 20 million units of its PlayStation 2 console during its current fiscal year, down from 22.5 million in the previous fiscal year. Microsoft expects to sell between 5.5 million and 7 million units of its Xbox console during its current fiscal year. Nintendo faces the biggest risk, Srivatsa said. The company has temporarily halted production of its GameCube console, to eat up excess inventory, and managed to ship a scant 80,000 units during its most recent quarter. "If they don't do anything significant, Nintendo won't sell any consoles next year," he said."

"Srivatsa said he expects another round of price cuts before the end of the year, with the Xbox and PS2 dropping to $150 and the GameCube dropping to somewhere below that."

And this is coming from me, who still thinks that Mario64 is the best game ever. Yes, better than Half Life.

In the console world things can change - if they change for the better regarding GC - great!

hvfsl

Sep 17, 2003, 05:30 PM

Maclarny

Sep 17, 2003, 09:17 PM

The xbox is definately the most promising and most powerful system of the bunch. It's graphics have so much potential and alreay outstrip the Gamecube in games released for both consoles. Halo 2 is gonna wipe the ass off of any other game ever . As for Microsoft losing money on the xbox it was their plan from the beginning. They want to establish dominance in the market in order to use it as a base for future products I.E. think tivo/xbox combo. Then they can start reaping in the money when the new tech becomes cheaper. The Xbox, however, will never monopolize the market. As long as Japan exists, Nintendo will always be there and Sony will always have power as long as they dont release a system that blows up after long use. I have an uncle at Microsoft which is how i can get this info.

iJon

Sep 17, 2003, 09:20 PM

i wonder where waluigi went. after my last post he hasnt seemed to come back plus since everyone else has hammered him on this thread.

iJon

LethalWolfe

Sep 17, 2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
There is no way the XBox will every wipe out Sony. Microsoft is still losing over $50 per sale on the XBox. Also the PSX is not intended to replace the PS2. The replacement for the PS2 is still a year or so away and it is indeed called the PS3. The PSX is a way of integrating a PS2 into the home entertainment system. It's a Tivo/DVD player/DVD Burner/PS2/Sattelite-Cable tuner. I'm going to have one if it does everything they say it will.

How much do Sony and Nintendo lose on their consoles? Companies have always taken a loss on the actual console and then made profit from the games and accesories.

Lethal

lewdvig

Sep 17, 2003, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
How much do Sony and Nintendo lose on their consoles? Companies have always taken a loss on the actual console and then made profit from the games and accesories.

Lethal

I read that Nintendo actually make a small profit on GC. They are so smart about this stuff.

I traded my XB for a PS2. Grand Turismo, Virtua Figher and GTA were too tempting. Halo was OK, but almost any good PC shooter beats it. Gotham was cool, but easier than Metropolis Street Racer (on DC) and SegaGT is the poor man's GT.

But I sure would like to play KOTOR, but the PC version is coming.

MacBandit

Sep 17, 2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
How much do Sony and Nintendo lose on their consoles? Companies have always taken a loss on the actual console and then made profit from the games and accesories.

Lethal

Actually the PS2 is Sony's biggest single profit maker. Also that is basically true for all products cars electronics what have you. The primary device always carries the least amount of profit margin. Though in Microsoft's case were are they making money on the XBox? Accessories? Games? They better be selling a hell of a lot of accessories because as far as I know Halo is the only game they have.

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 12:02 AM

lewdvig

Sep 18, 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Maclarny
The xbox is definately the most promising and most powerful system of the bunch. It's graphics have so much potential and alreay outstrip the Gamecube in games released for both consoles. Halo 2 is gonna wipe the ass off of any other game ever . As for Microsoft losing money on the xbox it was their plan from the beginning. They want to establish dominance in the market in order to use it as a base for future products I.E. think tivo/xbox combo. Then they can start reaping in the money when the new tech becomes cheaper. The Xbox, however, will never monopolize the market. As long as Japan exists, Nintendo will always be there and Sony will always have power as long as they dont release a system that blows up after long use. I have an uncle at Microsoft which is how i can get this info.

Your uncle probably read this info 3 years ago on the Register when it was news. No offence man, but I think everyone knows this.

What MS didn't expect was how badly it sold initially. The div responsible for XB has been terrible since the beginning and investors will lose patience. It is selling better now but the thing will never, EVER climb out of the red. In addition to the $300 million the home division has lost the past few quarters, there is the $500 in marketing MS poured into the XB.

They get to start over from scratch in a couple years with another high-end PC sold below cost as a trojan horse to get in our living room.

Luckily it makes billions in profits every year so XB hardly even matters.

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 05:20 PM

personally i dont care which ones are better. they are all so cheap that i own all of them so i am never left out of anything.

iJon

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by iJon
personally i dont care which ones are better. they are all so cheap that i own all of them so i am never left out of anything.

iJon

Well that may be true but I only have space for a PS2 and a Game Cube in my entertainment center. Where are you suppose to shove that hurking thing they call an XBox?

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Well that may be true but I only have space for a PS2 and a Game Cube in my entertainment center. Where are you suppose to shove that hurking thing they call an XBox?
i will agree with you on that. but right now i have moved all my computers and crap into another room with my ps2 and gamecube. i havent moved my xbox yet because i havent played it in a while. i put my gamecube in there because i play zelda every now and then and my ps2 is my dvd player for my tv. yes it is big but i have plenty of room for it. but on the 2nd part of it, my ps2 or gamecube doesnt have an ethernet port or a hard drive, so size doesnt bother me. but one thing i dont understand is why microsoft cant make a xbox like a shuttle box. the xbox is obviously a pc, so a shuttle could work. at least in my opinion it could work.

iJon

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by iJon
i will agree with you on that. but right now i have moved all my computers and crap into another room with my ps2 and gamecube. i havent moved my xbox yet because i havent played it in a while. i put my gamecube in there because i play zelda every now and then and my ps2 is my dvd player for my tv. yes it is big but i have plenty of room for it. but on the 2nd part of it, my ps2 or gamecube doesnt have an ethernet port or a hard drive, so size doesnt bother me. but one thing i dont understand is why microsoft cant make a xbox like a shuttle box. the xbox is obviously a pc, so a shuttle could work. at least in my opinion it could work.

iJon

Well you can get an ethernet port for the PS2 and the hard drive is coming first of the year. Finally that big open space in my PS2 might be filled if I chose to buy it. Though I plan on getting a PSX which has a hard drive anyway.

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 05:56 PM

psx is looking pretty damn sweet. but i honestly wouldnt use it for anything besides games so i wont buy it. im just waiting for a new gta if one ever comes out, and the new metal gear coming out soon. then ill be able to use my gamecube for what i bought it for, metal gear twin snakes.

iJon

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by iJon
psx is looking pretty damn sweet. but i honestly wouldnt use it for anything besides games so i wont buy it. im just waiting for a new gta if one ever comes out, and the new metal gear coming out soon. then ill be able to use my gamecube for what i bought it for, metal gear twin snakes.

iJon

Well I have a DirecTV/Tivo and absolutely love it. I can't imagine living without it. The only thing is I wish I could easily burn the Tivo recordings to DVD. There are some options coming out on the market just for that but if you integrate it with a PS2 that would be really cool because that would mean I can elliminate the ugly PS2 from my entertainment center and have a PS2 for my bedroom also along with a Tivo for both rooms.

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 06:03 PM

ive been thinking about a tivo. i just dont want to pay the monthly bill. but i think if i bought it and let my parents use it they would pay for it in a heartbeat. its hilarious watching my dad run around the house on tuesday looking for a tape to record jag. its like damn, if only we had a tivo.

iJon

Bunzi2k4

Sep 18, 2003, 06:04 PM

mayb you guys should discuss this on aim... i'm getting e-mails from suscribing this every second!

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Bunzi2k4
mayb you guys should discuss this on aim... i'm getting e-mails from suscribing this every second!
then unsubscribe.

iJon

Bunzi2k4

Sep 18, 2003, 06:07 PM

yea it just dawned on me after i posted

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by iJon
ive been thinking about a tivo. i just dont want to pay the monthly bill. but i think if i bought it and let my parents use it they would pay for it in a heartbeat. its hilarious watching my dad run around the house on tuesday looking for a tape to record jag. its like damn, if only we had a tivo.

iJon

Well DirecTV cuts you a deal with Tivo. It's $5 a month instead of $10 or whatever it is. Also I was just reading yesterday that it is possible to get free Tivo updates if you only choose to get 3 days of programming rather than the customary 14 days.

iJon

Sep 18, 2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Well DirecTV cuts you a deal with Tivo. It's $5 a month instead of $10 or whatever it is. Also I was just reading yesterday that it is possible to get free Tivo updates if you only choose to get 3 days of programming rather than the customary 14 days.
hmm, we have direct tv at work, and may be bringing it home because some channels i want to watch we dont get on cable. ill have to look into it becuase i reall want it.

iJon

Makosuke

Sep 18, 2003, 06:30 PM

The Xbox is probably a nice console, although I despise the controllers and huge physical size, so I'd never buy one even if it weren't made by MS. But that's not the point--I don't buy from criminals, be they individuals or organizations, regardless of what they're selling--"Wanna buy a Rolex, cheap?". That, and I think ahead.

I look at it this way: Microsoft has huge piles of money, and they like dominating markets so they can reap the sort of profits that only monopolies can. They've proven this in several areas. They decide to own the gaming market. Not get involved, own it.

They make a console. It sells very poorly. They drop the price to the point that they're loosing significant money on each sale. Still no go. They also buy several good game developers (Bungie early on, Rare later) so they can make sure they get the exclusive games that would never have happened otherwise. They also dump vast sums of money into advertising--last year practically every game ad on Japanese TV was for the XBox, despite the fact that it continues to sell worse than the PS1 there.

Now, how's their gaming division doing? Loosing hundreds of millions of dollars (one example article (http://www.itworld.com/App/4201/030203xboxlosses/)). Does MS seem to care? No. They've got a $30 billion cash pile sitting around.

So far as I can tell, their plan is painfully obvious. Do whatever it takes to make the XBox popular and push the other companies out of the market--lowball the price, buy game companies left and right, advertise the living hell out of the thing, money no object. Once they succeed, what do you think you'll be paying for an XBox and its games? Do you really think that healthy competition is going to continue any longer in the console game space than it did in the business OS space a decade ago, and that the "benefits" to the consumer will be any different?

I'd like to think the situation was different, but the path MS is walking is painfully obvious, and unless people stop buying into it or Sony or Nintendo pull something really impressive to combat it, we're all going to loose in the end.

That's why monopolies really suck--they, and the cash flow from them, allow a company to force its way into other markets and do more of the same.

Sorry, I'd rather think ahead with my dollars. Besides, I'm addicted to Windwaker, Metroid Prime, and Mario Sunshine, so the decision is easy for me.

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by iJon
hmm, we have direct tv at work, and may be bringing it home because some channels i want to watch we dont get on cable. ill have to look into it becuase i reall want it.

iJon

I got DirecTV here because I wanted a few channels like Speed Channel that were on the upper digital packages on cable. Well with DirecTV I have two rooms and a Tivo plus all the channels I wanted for less than half of what they want for a similar thing with Digital Cable.

I had a intermediate Digital Cable package here before and it was costing me $65/month for one room and the basic plus channels and for the channel package with Speed. With DirecTV I have everything I listed above for $46/month. Also the local cable packages went up another $5/month a month after I dropped them. It was completely rediculous. So now I'm just paying too much for my Cable Modem but since I have the Cable Modem they are giving free basic cable for free so I have my local channels also since DirecTV doesn't provide them in my area yet.

MacBandit

Sep 18, 2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Makosuke
The Xbox is probably a nice console, although I despise the controllers and huge physical size, so I'd never buy one even if it weren't made by MS. But that's not the point--I don't buy from criminals, be they individuals or organizations, regardless of what they're selling--"Wanna buy a Rolex, cheap?". That, and I think ahead.

I look at it this way: Microsoft has huge piles of money, and they like dominating markets so they can reap the sort of profits that only monopolies can. They've proven this in several areas. They decide to own the gaming market. Not get involved, own it.

They make a console. It sells very poorly. They drop the price to the point that they're loosing significant money on each sale. Still no go. They also buy several good game developers (Bungie early on, Rare later) so they can make sure they get the exclusive games that would never have happened otherwise. They also dump vast sums of money into advertising--last year practically every game ad on Japanese TV was for the XBox, despite the fact that it continues to sell worse than the PS1 there.

Now, how's their gaming division doing? Loosing hundreds of millions of dollars (one example article (http://www.itworld.com/App/4201/030203xboxlosses/)). Does MS seem to care? No. They've got a $30 billion cash pile sitting around.

So far as I can tell, their plan is painfully obvious. Do whatever it takes to make the XBox popular and push the other companies out of the market--lowball the price, buy game companies left and right, advertise the living hell out of the thing, money no object. Once they succeed, what do you think you'll be paying for an XBox and its games? Do you really think that healthy competition is going to continue any longer in the console game space than it did in the business OS space a decade ago, and that the "benefits" to the consumer will be any different?

I'd like to think the situation was different, but the path MS is walking is painfully obvious, and unless people stop buying into it or Sony or Nintendo pull something really impressive to combat it, we're all going to loose in the end.

That's why monopolies really suck--they, and the cash flow from them, allow a company to force its way into other markets and do more of the same.

Sorry, I'd rather think ahead with my dollars. Besides, I'm addicted to Windwaker, Metroid Prime, and Mario Sunshine, so the decision is easy for me.

You're quite right their marketing direction is quite obvious but I don't see them plowing Sony under. Microsoft barely makes it onto the top 100 biggest businesses while Sony is in the top 10.

lewdvig

Sep 19, 2003, 11:04 AM

Sony pushes their weight around as much as MS. They just do it with more class and style.

MS = billion dollar frat party

tomf87

Sep 19, 2003, 12:30 PM

And why is any of this on the forums at macrumors.com?

iJon

Sep 19, 2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by tomf87
And why is any of this on the forums at macrumors.com?
because this is a forum, we talk about things. yes macs are usually what we talk about. but i look at it more of a place where mac users can gather and talk about anything, its just since we are mac geeks we like talking about macs most of all.

iJon

tomf87

Sep 19, 2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by iJon
because this is a forum, we talk about things. yes macs are usually what we talk about. but i look at it more of a place where mac users can gather and talk about anything, its just since we are mac geeks we like talking about macs most of all.

iJon

Ok, then why is at in Mac Gaming? ;) I just have to question everything. Not that I need an answer...

chewbaccapits

Sep 19, 2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by hvfsl

MacBandit

Sep 19, 2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by lewdvig
Sony pushes their weight around as much as MS. They just do it with more class and style.

MS = billion dollar frat party

Sounds like a fair comparison. You're right that Sony is wants to own the market as much as any company but they will not do it at any expense like Microsoft. Also the funny thing is when Sony wants to win a market I welcome it because they do it by developing a better product not by pushing crap down peoples throats until they choke and can't see anything else.

lewdvig

Sep 19, 2003, 10:45 PM

Its true. Sony makes better stuff - pretty much all the time - and use a better designed, sexier product, to win. They also partner with other cool companies and don't try to undermine/kill them like MS does.

Sony's only recent blunder is memorystick.

Hey, lets talk about Samsung.

Samsung is the new Sony. It took them a while to figure it out but man are they on a roll. Samsung ARM CPUs are now superceding the Intel XScale in MS PDAs. Sammy's CE stuff is very pretty and they are already the 3rd biggest cell handset maker. I hope someday that Samsung licenses PS? technology.

I think in ten years that MS will be smaller and selling only office suites. Linux is going to be 'IT' in China. As the enormous power of the world's largest market begins to effect Linux I think that platform is going to enter the fast lane. It will get much better very quickly - and it is arguably good enough already. From there it will take over the PC world, dragging the relatively complementary OS X with it.

MS is going to use up that money they are sitting on. All $40 billion. It will get increasingly hard to justify spending on its anticompetitive campaigns and when they stop, the poor performing initiatives like XB will die.

MS is not forever. The nightmare will be over sooner than you think. Businesses and governemnts around the world have woken up and realise that they can not trust their future to MS insecure tools and platforms. They will get the boot and fall victim to what made them so big: People will want the same tools at home that they have at work.

MS knows this and have bought VPC to hedge their bets. VPC will be modified to work on Linux, but that won't be good enough. Why pay for MS emulator, Windows, and Office when you can get Wine for free (or a small fee) and Office? Eventually they will release a native version of Office and SQL for Linux. This will legitimize Linux and kill windows.

Schiffi

Sep 20, 2003, 12:05 AM

I read somewhere that a company was building shuttle type PCs and converting them to game consols. Like writing their own OS that plays games on insertion like a consol does (the user will have no control where their game data goes, so it'll be like a console). They were reported to be around $300 when they ship, but that news is like several months old. I'd like to see where they were at. I'd buy one and play PC games on my TV for $300.

hulugu

Sep 20, 2003, 12:29 AM

I consider both Sony and Microsoft to be inherently evil corporations at this point, with Sony Music et all on one side and Bill Gates and Monkey Boy Balmer on the other, so I play them against each other. While PS2 dominates the market, I buy a Xbox, when that trend reverses I buy the PS3.
The problem with MS is not the company itself, but its relationship to the current computer market. A company should never control more than 60% of the total marketshare of any given product, doing so makes them lazy and screws the rest of us. If MS owned 60, Apple 25 and Linux and various *Nix flavors the remainder, MS would be forced to compete by being unable to use its total leverage.
I see the same sitatuation evolving the the console business. Sony made the PS1 great only by competition from DC and the N64. Now we have all three fighting for space and that gives consumers the real power to make each one live or die.
For example the current price wars, as Sony lowers its prices, so must MS even if they much take a larger and larger hit to stay competitive. This is good for the market and for us. Do you think Sony would have lowered the PS2 price from 299 to 199 if not for the Xbox?
Best thing, buy all three, play all the games, 86 one if the company pisses you off.

MacBandit

Sep 20, 2003, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by hulugu
I consider both Sony and Microsoft to be inherently evil corporations at this point, with Sony Music et all on one side and Bill Gates and Monkey Boy Balmer on the other, so I play them against each other. While PS2 dominates the market, I buy a Xbox, when that trend reverses I buy the PS3.
The problem with MS is not the company itself, but its relationship to the current computer market. A company should never control more than 60% of the total marketshare of any given product, doing so makes them lazy and screws the rest of us. If MS owned 60, Apple 25 and Linux and various *Nix flavors the remainder, MS would be forced to compete by being unable to use its total leverage.
I see the same sitatuation evolving the the console business. Sony made the PS1 great only by competition from DC and the N64. Now we have all three fighting for space and that gives consumers the real power to make each one live or die.
For example the current price wars, as Sony lowers its prices, so must MS even if they much take a larger and larger hit to stay competitive. This is good for the market and for us. Do you think Sony would have lowered the PS2 price from 299 to 199 if not for the Xbox?
Best thing, buy all three, play all the games, 86 one if the company pisses you off.

True Sony Music is a bad thing but they are a very small portion of Sony in comparison to the 100% head up their ass Microsoft.

kparvez

Oct 1, 2003, 03:47 PM

I bought an XBOX last Christmas, and I'm glad I did. I wanted a machine to play games on, while I left my comp for work primarily. We happen to have a 61 inch bigscreen, and I love playing games with friends, so I went with an XBOX because of the 4 player splitscreen games that are widely available. As well, with XBOX Live available, and 50 Live enabled games coming out this winter season and another 50 by the spring of 2004, I thought it would be a good investment. I've blown the money, and bought the console, have 4 controllers, a system link hub with 4 cables, and 10 games, and I play IT EVERYDAY! With games like GTA 3/Vice City coming out Nov 4, and Halo 2, Counterstrike, Half-Life 2 [these three are all Live enabled] coming out... if you want a versatile system, Xbox is the way to go. Definitely go for a Microsoft Xbox...

Cheers.

hulugu

Oct 1, 2003, 04:12 PM

If Sony's VAIO division and Sony Music were to disappear Sony would be one of my favorite companies.
Their collective head-up-their-ass quotient, I agree, is signifcantly less than Microsoft's.
Also, the Xbox is a very good game machine and I'm impressed that MS has managed to do this without entirely screwing us (except for the update from Xbox Live that breaks Linux).
I'm looking forward to Counter-Strike and Halo 2.

tomf87

Oct 1, 2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by kparvez
... yada yada yada ..., and I play IT EVERYDAY! ...

Mine hasn't been on in about two months. Halo got boring, as did Max Payne, and Splinter Cell, etc. I imagine Halo 2 will be awesome, but in reality, it isn't worth $50 to buy it then have it just sit there.

Guess I'll turn back to some old games like Pong. :D

TheSpaceBetween

Oct 2, 2003, 12:29 AM

*cough*PS2kicksGCandXBOXass*ahem*

Mord

Oct 2, 2003, 05:14 AM

PS2's have less graphical potential than a dreamcast the best ps2 games use 99% of its capebilitys the psx will do allot of dammage to sony A dvd burner? a quick mod and any one can burn games
£700 price tag u can get a refurb PBG4
for that much
The worst part is if u dont have a tv but use a moniter u still have to pay a tv licence as there is a tuner inside it so students wont buy one.

http://insiders8.ezboard.com/ffanhomefrm13.showMessage?topicID=969.topic

neut

Oct 2, 2003, 08:52 AM

tomf87

Oct 2, 2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by neut
does this make sense to anyone?

sorry, but could you reiterate your comments? :)

I think I got it...

A DVD burner with a TV uses a license because of a PBG4, which is expensive. So PS2's graphics aren't high quality unless 99% of the population agree then still, student's won't buy it.

No, wait a minute, that's not it... ;)

MacBandit

Oct 2, 2003, 11:48 AM

jasylonian

Oct 2, 2003, 12:55 PM

my understanding is that the xbox makes all of its money off of certain rainmaking games such as halo. i've also heard that the xbox has become or will be profitable very soon as a result of such games. the profits made on the really popular games completely consume the losses on hardware and even the project games which are made solely for the enjoyment of programmers and a necessity to provide variety to a console between the production of the rainmakers.

tomf87

Oct 2, 2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Come on people repeat after me. The PSX is not a replacement for the PS2. The PSX is a Tivo with DVD burner that happes to have a PS2 built into it nothing more. ...

To back some of MacBandit's claims:

http://www.us.playstation.com/news/latestnews/2003_05_29_1.asp

"Dubbed the "PSX," it will combine the PS2's existing game-playing capabilities with a TV tuner, 120 gigabytes of hard drive space, a DVD-RW drive, and broadband Internet connection hardware to create a more well-rounded and capable media playing device"

TheSpaceBetween

Oct 2, 2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Hector
PS2's have less graphical potential than a dreamcast the best ps2 games use 99% of its capebilitys the psx will do allot of dammage to sony A dvd burner? a quick mod and any one can burn games
£700 price tag u can get a refurb PBG4
for that much
The worst part is if u dont have a tv but use a moniter u still have to pay a tv licence as there is a tuner inside it so students wont buy one.

http://insiders8.ezboard.com/ffanhomefrm13.showMessage?topicID=969.topic

I'll try to correct this...

Should have read
PS2s have less graphical potential than a Dreamcast. The best PS2 games use 99% of its capabilities. The PSX (I assume he means the PS2, because the PSX was the first PlayStation. It was large and a darker gray than the PS1) will do a lot of damage to Sony DVD burner? (ugh, I tried...) A quick mod and anyone can burn games. [With a] £700 pricetag, you can get a refurbished PBG4.

The worst part is if you don't have a TV, but use a monitor, you still have to pay [for] a TV licence, as there is a tuner inside it; so students won't buy one.

Yeah, I said I'd try...

Anyway, I live in the USA. So I have no friggin' clue what the hell a TV license is. And who doesn't have a TV? Anyone who connects their PS2 to a computer monitor is an idiot...

Here in the USA, purchasing a $200 PS2 is not equal to purchasing an $1100 refurbished PowerBook G4. We don't get to purchase them for wholesale from factories here, so we have to go through retailers...

Anyway, you're crazy, guy. My opinion of the European education system has just dropped down on my list; just below Bolivia, and just above Southern United States. :D

tomf87

Oct 3, 2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by TheSpaceBetween
I'll try to correct this...

... The PSX (I assume he means the PS2, because the PSX was the first PlayStation. It was large and a darker gray than the PS1) will do a lot of damage to Sony DVD burner? ...

The PSX was not the first PlayStation. The PSX is the new DVD-burning PS2-incorporated device that is coming out in 2004. See my post above, as well as a link to Sony.

MacBandit

Oct 3, 2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by tomf87
The PSX was not the first PlayStation. The PSX is the new DVD-burning PS2-incorporated device that is coming out in 2004. See my post above, as well as a link to Sony.

Actually when the first Playstation came out they marketed it as the PSX. Though I knew what the guy intended was the new Tivo/PS2 system when he said PSX.

lewdvig

Oct 3, 2003, 10:50 AM

These console polemnics are pointless.

When picking a console, get the one that has games that you want to play right now. Thats my advise.

There is no guarantee that anything is coming out for a console, even if its announced. Stuff gets cancelled all the time.

Plus, why buy a console now for games that will come out next year. By then the consoles will be even cheaper.

TheSpaceBetween

Oct 3, 2003, 09:13 PM

I read about the new PSX, but wasn't quite sure about it. Personally, I think it should be called PSWDVDBC (PlayStation With Digital Video Disc Burning Capability), but that's just me. ;)

MacBandit

Oct 5, 2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by TheSpaceBetween
I read about the new PSX, but wasn't quite sure about it. Personally, I think it should be called PSWDVDBC (PlayStation With Digital Video Disc Burning Capability), but that's just me. ;)

You missed TV/Satellite tuner and Digital Video Recorder.

TheSpaceBetween

Oct 5, 2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
You missed TV/Satellite tuner and Digital Video Recorder.

PSWDVDBCTV/STADVR

Better? :D

alset

Oct 5, 2003, 08:33 PM

I have no problem owning an XBox. Just because I hate M$ for bullying the companies that I love doesn't mean I can't enjoy some of their products. Then again, if you can't handle the guilt of enjoying a fine console, don't buy it.

Dan

Foxer

Oct 5, 2003, 10:23 PM

For what it's worth, until recently I had both the GC and Xbox (and before them, I had a PS2 and didn't like it). I recently sold my Xbox to help pay for my new G5 (a worthy trade). Kept the GC because I use it more, and there are more (and better) Star Wars games for the GC - whcih is my bread and butter. I may buy a new Xbox down the road, especailly when Halo2 is released.

MacBandit

Oct 6, 2003, 01:01 AM

Well in current news the GC is now $99 and Sony will make the final announcement for the PSX next week.

yamabushi

Oct 6, 2003, 05:34 AM

The Xbox is a pc with a Pentium III 733Mhz cpu and an Nvidia graphics chipset similar to the Geforce 3. Most of the game developers for Xbox will likely release Pentium 4/Windows XP versions of their games with equal or improved graphics detail within a year or so of the Xbox release. Since I already have a PC with superior specs to the Xbox, why buy the Xbox, even at a discount? Mind you, I have owned a number of Macs over the years and have always been disappointed with the number of game titles available and their sometimes sluggish performance. However, I believe this to be primarily a problem of code that is not well optimized for the mac. The recent G4 and G5 Macs are actually great potential game platforms. If you happen to own one, buy the mac versions of games as they become available. Stronger game sales will translate into more ports of games to OSX. ;)

Mord

Oct 28, 2003, 06:20 AM

1)xbox games run faster than pc games as they hav dedicated hardware wont slow down or have problems as everyone has the same specs also there are few backround tasks so nearly the whole prossoer power is being used up just for the game so efectively an xbox will 99% of the time run the xbox versions of games faster

2)I would have bought a game cube (they use the same prossors as macs powerpc)
if I wasent so damn sure theyed go out of production.

3)microsoft dose not gain a penny from me as i use a comination of a superdrive and a fast adsl line to get games (which i of corce delete after 24 hours of trial use yeah.....right.

4)never thought so many peoply would reply to my post wow

Mord

Oct 28, 2003, 06:23 AM

students that cant afford a tv licence cant buy a psx cause it has a tv tuner even if they use it with a moniter

MacBandit

Oct 28, 2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Hector
1)xbox games run faster than pc games as they hav dedicated hardware wont slow down or have problems as everyone has the same specs also there are few backround tasks so nearly the whole prossoer power is being used up just for the game so efectively an xbox will 99% of the time run the xbox versions of games faster

There is no difference between an XBox and a computer besides and XBox is an old computer. The difference in power on an XBox is it doesn't have to render anything above 640x480 because most television screens don't have more than 500 vertical lines of useable resolution unless you talk about HDTV.

Also the XBox doesn't have a modern graphics card so it doesn't support DirectX8 which is a must for the new games. Even Macs have better gaming graphics than an XBox.

Mord

Nov 9, 2003, 09:13 AM

Xbox 2 will have a g5 wohay that means IBM's factory will become more profetable so will add an insentive to improve the g5 chip!!!

annother point is that if the xbox 2 is approximately the same size as the xbox 6000 cubic centimeters then you could easly make a g5 cube that would be a bit bigger (the current one is 5,832 cubic centimeters!!!!!!!!!!!)

not probable but possible for all you people just itching to say how apple will never release a g5 cube.

(yes I know the xbox 2 wont come out for while yet)

MacBandit

Nov 9, 2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Hector
Xbox 2 will have a g5 wohay that means IBM's factory will become more profetable so will add an insentive to improve the g5 chip!!!

annother point is that if the xbox 2 is approximately the same size as the xbox 6000 cubic centimeters then you could easly make a g5 cube that would be a bit bigger (the current one is 5,832 cubic centimeters!!!!!!!!!!!)

not probable but possible for all you people just itching to say how apple will never release a g5 cube.

(yes I know the xbox 2 wont come out for while yet)

Well it will be a Power 4 or 5 derivative like the PPC970 is but it will not be the same as the G5 that we have. An IBM rep explained some of the possible differences in a report I read on some Mac news page. Guess I should go looking for that.

Ipyro24

Nov 14, 2003, 06:01 PM

xbox sux its gonna try to take over the gaming markit just like it did to apple a long wile back dosn't any one see it:confused:

manitoubalck

Nov 14, 2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by iJon
how stupid, they dont even make the dreamcast any more.

The Dreamcact lives on in the hearts of a few.

Mord

Nov 15, 2003, 05:16 AM

Damn right I still use my dc to play shenmue II virtual cop II seventh cross and headhunter

skies of arcadia was the best game ever ff sucks

manitoubalck

Nov 15, 2003, 05:43 AM

Hell yeah, Sega Rally 2, Daytona 2001, Sonic 1 & 2, Crazy Taxi, the list goes on of all the arcade classics. DC rules.

switchedanhappy

Nov 17, 2003, 09:07 PM

in the time you have all spent arguing you probly coulda made enough money to buy all three on ebay. seriously, if you have enough $$$ get all three. they aren't that expensive now that the companbies that make them are f***in losing money. also, I hate to admit it, but if you are really really serious about a huge game library, then build yourself a nice little wintel machine. now let the blamming begin!!!!:D

MacBandit

Nov 18, 2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by switchedanhappy
in the time you have all spent arguing you probly coulda made enough money to buy all three on ebay. seriously, if you have enough $$$ get all three. they aren't that expensive now that the companbies that make them are f***in losing money. also, I hate to admit it, but if you are really really serious about a huge game library, then build yourself a nice little wintel machine. now let the blamming begin!!!!:D

Well that's nice and all but if you want the most massive game library of awesome games and you don't want to waste space or money with buying all of them and/or a PC the PS2 has them all beat hands down. You can load up on the original Playstation games for cheap and the new PS2 games and they all play great.