übergeek and ibookin in MacFormat magazine

[bousozoku]

I was looking through the September 2003 issue of MacFormat magazine and on page 130, there was a bit about the Santa Monica Apple Store opening, complete with photos of two people we already know. :)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by bousozoku
I was looking through the September 2003 issue of MacFormat magazine and on page 130, there was a bit about the Santa Monica Apple Store opening, complete with photos of two people we already know. :)


Well they're going to be pissed you just blew there cover now didn't you!?:p

[tpjunkie]

cool!

[alia]

Someone should scan them and post the pic? ;)

Alia

[jefhatfield]

i think ubergeek is super private about her appearance...being the only female poster who visits these forums regularly besides vniow

now she will get all these macrumors teenage boys chasing after her :p :p :p

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i think ubergeek is super private about her appearance...being the only female poster who visits these forums regularly besides vniow

now she will get all these macrumors teenage boys chasing after her :p :p :p

For some reason I was thinking über got booted. Guess I'm mixing her up with someone else.

[britboy]

I have a copy of the september issue. Which picture is it exactly?

Even better from that issue is the article about apple rumour websites (page 20). Macrumors is top of their list.

Macrumors
This site functions a bit like an analytical portal. It's the brainchild of Arnold Kim, who kicked it off on a whim. "I felt the scene would benefit from a site which tracked and followed the various rumours available", he says. It reporst on what the other rumours sites are saying, veryfying and letting you know whether they're likely to be right or wrong. Updated daily, it's one of the more respected sites out there. So, if you're after staid accuracy, it's right up your alley.

Not a bad billing :)

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by britboy
I have a copy of the september issue. Which picture is it exactly?

Even better from that issue is the article about apple rumour websites (page 20). Macrumors is top of their list.

Not a bad billing :)

Did you notice that the screenshot was of a different website--MacRumours.com? :D

Anyway...as you people would like to see...

[wdlove]

In the picture that you posted which one is übergeek and ibookin? Is there a chance that you could enlarge the picture bousozoku? My eyesight isn't all that good, needed a magnifier to read the words.

Do they sell MacFormat at the Apple Stores?

[Stelliform]

Originally posted by wdlove
In the picture that you posted which one is übergeek and ibookin? Is there a chance that you could enlarge the picture bousozoku? My eyesight isn't all that good, needed a magnifier to read the words.

Do they sell MacFormat at the Apple Stores?

Hmm, they must be either the matching apple shirt couple towards the left, or the better dressed couple in the middle...

I would love to get a copy of that magazine. The article looks interesting too. Wasn't Hal the guy who was posting on-line? I think I have read some of his blog while he was waiting....

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by MacBandit
For some reason I was thinking über got booted. Guess I'm mixing her up with someone else. She's still with us, but hasn't been as active lately since she's been spending more time in live chats. She posted here yesterday, for example.
Originally posted by Stelliform
Wasn't Hal the guy who was posting on-line? I think I have read some of his blog while he was waiting.... Yes, he posted the night before and the day of the opening. And I posted a photo of Hal (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=417740), who didn't mind the attention, in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31297). But I don't think we should post photos of or identify other members unless they say OK.

[bousozoku]

Actually, if someone were to search on Santa Monica, there might still be links to the original photos in the MacRumors forums posted by übergeek herself.

[britboy]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
Yes, he posted the night before and the day of the opening. And I posted a photo of Hal (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=417740), who didn't mind the attention, in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31297). But I don't think we should post photos of or identify other members unless they say OK.


Is it a coincidence that 'hal' has übergeek written on his laptop (?) ;)

Whilst I agree that someone should be entitled to privacy, before they start complaining about their photo being posted online, surely they should worry about it being in a magazine :rolleyes:

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by bousozoku
Did you notice that the screenshot was of a different website--MacRumours.com? :D

Anyway...as you people would like to see...

We are a picky crowd and yes we got the photo as we requested but now I want it bigger.

[bousozoku]

Okay, for all the old people here. :D (Totally appropriate today, as some of you know.)

[eyelikeart]

I'm not so sure this is a good idea...knowing how über is...

what do u guys think?

[Mudbug]

I gotta agree with you eye - this is probably pushing what she's willing to put up with. Lotsa folks want to stay pretty anonymous online, and this defeats that completely. If she had posted it, that's one thing, but she probably didn't even know about this being put up. I think removing it was the right thing to do.

My .02¢

[Mudbug]

After discussing this with übergeek, she wanted this thread put back in community...

So enjoy :)

[janey]

you people are weirdos :D

seriously if you're that desperate for pics of me take a look on my .mac homepage. Get the address from me or josh or the regulars in the IRC channel.

Really, this is ridiculous, but that same pic is also on spymac, and it's also on my iDisk. WHO CARES!!!!

btw, i'm the really short asian girl in the middle. Josh is the taller guy with the gray/charcoal shirt to the right (your right, which is -->) :p

btw, i didnt know about this thread until i read all the IMs and the e-mails about this thread :p then i wondered why i couldnt see it, but after mudbug told me...eh i have no probs with it :)

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by übergeek
you people are weirdos :D

seriously if you're that desperate for pics of me take a look on my .mac homepage. Get the address from me or josh or the regulars in the IRC channel.

Really, this is ridiculous, but that same pic is also on spymac, and it's also on my iDisk. WHO CARES!!!!

btw, i'm the really short asian girl in the middle. Josh is the taller guy with the gray/charcoal shirt to the right (your right, which is -->) :p

Takes one to know one. :D

I wasn't telling who you were. They couldn't force me.

I was just surprised to see you in the magazine. :)

[janey]

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/data/517/13340applestore.jpg

is that a better pic for you people out there?

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by übergeek
Is that a better pic for you people out there? Yes, but now I'm wondering what that guy in the front is trying to look at... :confused:

[applemacdude]

Cute:p BTW congrats on making the mag. yeah we're weirdo's especially me;) maybe its coouse females geeks are so hard to find. btw how are things going with ibookin'?

Ps youre not that skinny jane ;)

[janey]

Originally posted by applemacdude
Cute:p BTW congrats on making the mag. yeah we're weirdo's especially me;) maybe its coouse females geeks are so hard to find. btw how are things going with ibookin'?

Ps youre not that skinny jane ;)
PS My BMI is 18.7. Borderline underweight, but not quite. And btw, how woud you be able to guess from that picture?! sheesh :p

our relationship is goign great! Its like been 8 days after our 8 month anniversary :) My parents still havent found out and my friends are doing a good job not telling their moms :)

agh i just noticed that the pic i posted is different from the other one. heehee...we took that *kodak moment* with like 10 different cameras :p

oh and ignore my glasses :p i got transitions (http://www.transitions.com) lenses

[mactastic]

It's weird in general to see pictures of people who post on here. Seeing who PatrickOBrian was for instance. I guess you get used to thinking of the avatars when that's all you've got to go on.

Pretty cool about gettin in the mag tho!

[ryme4reson]

My parents still havent found out and my friends are doing a good job not telling their moms

So are you saying that you are keeping this 8 month old relationship from your parents?

Sounds childish to me. But then again, I have read your sig so I'm not surprised...

[Powerbook G5]

I didn't think it'd be that weird for everyone to see who a certain member is, heh. Although, I do remember a thread where someone was wondering if I were a he or if I were a she and if my avatar was of myself.

As far as what the guy in front is looking at...it looks like he was staring at the other iBook's ass! :p

[Durandal7]

I'm going to have to look into that Magazine. It looks pretty good and this is the first I am hearing of it.

Bee's knees.

[janey]

Originally posted by ryme4reson
So are you saying that you are keeping this 8 month old relationship from your parents?

Sounds childish to me. But then again, I have read your sig so I'm not surprised...

um have you also clicked on the link in my sig? What does that have to do with me?!!!!!

Sheesh...my parents might disapprove. They're already sorta...guessing that i like him very much and their constant teasing and threatening is bugging me a lot. If i tell them about our relationship they'll do it even more. For christ's sake I'm just not telling them about the relationship in order to stop them from yelling at me because i'm not some goody two shoes korean girl who wants to fall in love with a korean doctor (no offense meant, arn) or something. It's enough that they have to yell at me for not getting a 4.0 GPA...and because i suck at playing the one instrument i HATE with a PASSION...and because i spend too much time on the computer. Besides, they're already pissed at me right now because they dont like the fact that i'm atheist.
Oh and it's not that bad. Our parents know each other, my parents know him, his parents know me. We've known each other for like...more than half a decade maybe...josh says 9 years, i say more like 7 or 8.

[ryme4reson]

No uber not the dog cow, the stupid "Ives lover, Jobs freak, etc..."

I know it sounds stupid now, but someday you will look back and you will most likely agree, or atleast relate to your parents point of view.

A korean doctor as a husband, now that cant be that bad....

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by übergeek
[picture]

is that a better pic for you people out there?

Yes it is... But still not clear enough to see the desktop of your laptop you are holding...

;)

BTW, ryme4reson -- you seem to know nothing, buzz off.

:p

[Powerbook G5]

Do any of us ever know anything most of the time? :p

[alia]

Originally posted by übergeek

Sheesh...my parents might disapprove. They're already sorta...guessing that i like him very much and their constant teasing and threatening is bugging me a lot. If i tell them about our relationship they'll do it even more. For christ's sake I'm just not telling them about the relationship in order to stop them from yelling at me because i'm not some goody two shoes korean girl who wants to fall in love with a korean doctor (no offense meant, arn) or something. It's enough that they have to yell at me for not getting a 4.0 GPA...and because i suck at playing the one instrument i HATE with a PASSION...and because i spend too much time on the computer. Besides, they're already pissed at me right now because they dont like the fact that i'm atheist.
Oh and it's not that bad. Our parents know each other, my parents know him, his parents know me. We've known each other for like...more than half a decade maybe...josh says 9 years, i say more like 7 or 8.

I'm totally with Uber on this one... One of my best friends in high school had an older sister who was dating a white guy and she was Indian... both of the sisters preferred white guys. They always said that their preference was based on the fact that they grew up around white guys and that's what they were attracted to. Well, their parents were strictly against them seeing anyone not Indian and would threaten them with being disowned.

My friend's sister finally (after over a year), came out and told her father that she was engaged to a white guy, and it was 6 months before he would even speak to her again.

I feel for all of the people that have to balance two very different cultures. I know it can be extremely hard. Those of us who don't might think it's childish to keep secrets like that, but I have very close friends that feared they might lose their families if they dated who they wanted to.

So, Uber, if you want to keep your relationship with Josh secret, that's your prerogative, and it's not any of our business. :)

Alia

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Do any of us ever know anything most of the time? :p

Haha yes.

Some people know more then others most of the time.

[janey]

Originally posted by ryme4reson
No uber not the dog cow, the stupid "Ives lover, Jobs freak, etc..."

I know it sounds stupid now, but someday you will look back and you will most likely agree, or atleast relate to your parents point of view.

A korean doctor as a husband, now that cant be that bad....
hey i didnt like that sig :p it was stupid and pointless.

WTF WHY WOULD I?! I just dislike a lot of korean guys. they're immature, they're obsessed with CS, they love to brag about their crappy calculator programming skills...
Josh, he's different. I've practically had a crush on him since i first laid eyes on him. Sorta like love at first sight. He's nice, he's really romantic, he's smart.

I understand why my parents are thinking like that though. But seriously, they have no right to force me into doing something I dont like...like for example I know for a fact that my grandparents forbade my mom from marrying the man she loved, because her parents wanted her to marry this stuck up lawyer dude who was only in teh whole thing just for the money. Keep in mind that this was in Korea, a long time ago...and my mom would be the first to oppose us being together...even after what she went through.

My major problem with my parents though is the fact that they're trying to force me into becoming a buddhist or a christian. i have no problem with that, but i do have my own beliefs. they have no right to make me believe in something I dont want to believe in. I personally think that religion is a sort of good thing, but i'm not willing to make that leap of faith. Why pretend to believe in something i dont want to believe in!
And maybe instead of yelling at me for getting one little B, maybe they could help me with projects, with my homework. Instead of forcing me to play the ****ing piano, why cant they let me play the instrument of my choice? Instead of planning my life, why cant they just leave me alone and let me ruin my own life?!

Their attitude torwards me, and the lack of people to talk to...it's really making me start to be suicidal. Not like i'm gonna jump out a window right now or anything...but i cant stand it anymore. It all started happening after that damned IQ test and i wish i could have changed my fate, because i'd rather be mentally challenged then go to some stupid school for the gifted.

[ryme4reson]

Hey MrMacman,

why dont you buzz off, you are the one asking for a young girls pic.

[Powerbook G5]

Now that it's mentioned, I am dating a black girl but I never really thought about it like that. My parents are extremely open I guess. I just told my parents last year when I met her and all and she came home with me for Thanksgiving and this year I am going home with her for Thanksgiving and honestly I never even gave a second thought to the fact that we are of different race. It'd be nice if other people were more tolerant of new things, ideas, etc. If you love someone it really shouldn't matter who that person is. We are all human, afterall.

[janey]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Now that it's mentioned, I am dating a black girl but I never really thought about it like that. My parents are extremely open I guess. I just told my parents last year when I met her and all and she came home with me for Thanksgiving and this year I am going home with her for Thanksgiving and honestly I never even gave a second thought to the fact that we are of different race. It'd be nice if other people were more tolerant of new things, ideas, etc. If you love someone it really shouldn't matter who that person is. We are all human, afterall.

you're so lucky.
i dont see why people are so against two people of different races, religions and even gender marrying each other.
I mean think about it...in a way two people of the same race and religion marrying might be somewhat odd to some people...

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by übergeek
you're so lucky.
i dont see why people are so against two people of different races, religions and even gender marrying each other.
I mean think about it...in a way two people of the same race and religion marrying might be somewhat odd to some people...

Want to hear something really crazy? My dad is a Lutheran minister and my girlfriend is a Wiccan...my friends were all worried that my dad wouldn't like the thought that she is pagen, but hell, at one time the Christains were pagen, too.

[ibookin']

Oh, what a way to being posting in the MR Forums again after a semi-leave of abcense. I will have to go and buy this magazine tomorrow, I think.

For those of you wondering whre I've been: PowerBook rumor after PowerBook rumor kind of made the whole rumor scene kind of repetitive for me. I kept checking the main page but rarely went farther than that. I've also been on vacation, in Catalina from 9/11-9/14 and in Great Neck, NY from 9/15-now. Some good news is that my grandparents are proud owners of an 800MHz eMac as of today, when we went to the Roosevelt Field Apple Store. They previously had a 286 running Windows 3.0.

Now then, on to topic.

First off, über and I have known each other for a little over 6 years, not 9. Second, as she already mentioned, we are trying to keep our relationship as clandestine as possible so as not to upset Jane's parents (mine were either told or figured it out, I'm not sure which). I understand that posting details on the internet is not in keeping with this, but I seriously doubt any of our parents frequent MacRumors.com.

I'm excited to be pictured in a Mac magazine, and am thinking of sending them a letter identifying myself on a first-name basis only. What do you think? Should I do it?

[janey]

Originally posted by ibookin'
Now then, on to topic.

First off, über and I have known each other for a little over 6 years, not 9. Second, as she already mentioned, we are trying to keep our relationship as clandestine as possible so as not to upset Jane's parents (mine were either told or figured it out, I'm not sure which). I understand that posting details on the internet is not in keeping with this, but I seriously doubt any of our parents frequent MacRumors.com.

I'm excited to be pictured in a Mac magazine, and am thinking of sending them a letter identifying myself on a first-name basis only. What do you think? Should I do it?
hey...jacob said that you said it 9 years.
rofl josh...do whatever you want.
my parents do not frequent MacRumors.com thank god :p

[shadowfax]

i took a picture of myself tonight here in my dorm room. needless to say, i am never posting my picture on the internet, ever.

über, i had no idea you were asian, though i should have guessed after i chatted with your mom on your AIM. from now on, i am going to periodically make cat calls at you on AIM and hope it's her... i'll stop when (if) you turn 17...

[Powerbook G5]

At least people don't mistake you for an Asian girl anymore because of your avatar ;) Perhaps if you had posted a pic it would have driven a few of the guys off you! :p

[janey]

Originally posted by shadowfax
über, i had no idea you were asian, though i should have guessed after i chatted with your mom on your AIM. from now on, i am going to periodically make cat calls at you on AIM and hope it's her... i'll stop when (if) you turn 17...
that was just plain scary. i didnt even know my mom did that....i guess i underestimated her :p
hey most of the time i dont know who is using my AIM account :D

[Mercury]

You guys see what I have to put up with everyday... =P

Anyway, eh, I think the 9 years might've been an exaggeration or something like that. I don't really keep track of these things.

Josh, I'm still pissed about you not saving me a spot in the front of the line. =P

[Powerbook G5]

Once my friends caught my roommate on my AOL account and we got together to mess with his head...it was pretty funny. He was so freaked out when I came into the room, that's for sure.

[janey]

Originally posted by Mercury
You guys see what I have to put up with everyday... =P
be quiet jacob. you werent even a good mentor. :p
josh was so much better *insert smile*

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
At least people don't mistake you for an Asian girl anymore because of your avatar ;) Perhaps if you had posted a pic it would have driven a few of the guys off you! :p i'd much rather be mistaken for a girl than have the image of my head superimposed on a woman, animal, or inanimate object turning up in all kinds of macrumors thread, like, *ahem* eye or.... :eek:

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by übergeek
be quiet jacob. you werent even a good mentor. :p
josh was so much better *insert smile* if by mentor you mean.... :eek:

i have a great deal of sympathy for this jacob fellow, though.

[Powerbook G5]

We'd never dream of doing that! ;)

[Mercury]

Dear god, in the two minutes it took to edit that post, I see new ones have popped up in its place...

I'm the Jacob so lovingly discussed here, and I recently signed up for a MR account... been ghostin' for years.

And FYI Jane, I made Josh's mentoring *much* better. Hrmph.

[janey]

Originally posted by shadowfax
if by mentor you mean.... :eek:

i have a great deal of sympathy for this jacob fellow, though.
hey man jacob was my mentor during my summer at EEP...and he was never there half the time for the meetings and whatnot. I am grateful however, for all those times jacob took me to hop louie's and stuff...:p
But that's it. Josh on the other hand makes a much better mentor.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by shadowfax
if by mentor you mean.... :eek:

i have a great deal of sympathy for this jacob fellow, though.

It's not polite to speak of someone as if they weren't there!

Sorry for the multiple replies, I'm having difficulty keeping track of this thread...

[janey]

Originally posted by Mercury
And FYI Jane, I made Josh's mentoring *much* better. Hrmph.
Whatever you say, Jacob...whatever you say...:p

[Mercury]

Originally posted by übergeek
hey man jacob was my mentor during my summer at EEP...and he was never there half the time for the meetings and whatnot. I am grateful however, for all those times jacob took me to hop louie's and stuff...:p
But that's it. Josh on the other hand makes a much better mentor.

Okay, that's it. Now I have to defend myself...

I was in Arizona for one week where we didn't have any meetings, I was late for *one* meeting thanks to traffic (Not a concern for those who don't drive!) and another one Sarah *canceled* without even talking to me when I was there.

Whew.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Mercury
It's not polite to speak of someone as if they weren't there!

Sorry for the multiple replies, I'm having difficulty keeping track of this thread... damn, this jacob guy is kind of touchy. don't you guys think? and man, he can't even follow a thread!

:) ;) ;) :p

[janey]

Originally posted by Mercury
Okay, that's it. Now I have to defend myself...

I was in Arizona for one week where we didn't have any meetings, I was late for *one* meeting thanks to traffic (Not a concern for those who don't drive!) and another one Sarah *canceled* without even talking to me when I was there.

Whew.
Okay. I believe you.
Now let's all stop spamming.

Back on topic: The two people with identical t-shirts standing next to us were from Bootysmack.com :)

[Mercury]

Originally posted by shadowfax
damn, this jacob guy is kind of touchy. don't you guys think? and man, he can't even follow a thread!

:) ;) ;) :p

*sigh*

Maybe it's just better to stick to AIM...

[ibookin']

Originally posted by shadowfax
damn, this jacob guy is kind of touchy.

Very touchy. ;)

Anyway, we should probably stop this before it gets out of hand and this thread is Wastelanded, though it probably will be soon enough.

[tazo]

nice shameless plug there jane :D

[Powerbook G5]

Dear God, not that picture again!

[ibookin']

Originally posted by tazo
nice shameless plug there jane :D

Oh really, I didn't even notice. :D

I will say that both Jacob and I are both pretty bad at the whole "mentoring" thing.

[janey]

Originally posted by ibookin'
Oh really, I didn't even notice. :D

I will say that both Jacob and I are both pretty bad at the whole "mentoring" thing.
eh you guys were okay. at least you two are nice, unlike Andrew Post.

OKAY ENOUGH SPAM!!!
and that was not a shameless plug. i did it because its the truth and theyre the only people i remember from that day.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by ibookin'
Oh really, I didn't even notice. :D

I will say that both Jacob and I are both pretty bad at the whole "mentoring" thing.

I'll end my spam with this...

It's 90% being there. Unless you want to pass out ridiculous quizzes, multiple choice exams, and weekly essay questions, it's not that. So don't dis yourself, and especially not me. A lot more is behind the scenes, such as say talking to Sarah about issues that came up.

I have to say, though, I am amazed that picture made it into a magazine, although it would seem emayhem has plenty of connections, etc.

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by Mercury
I am amazed that picture made it into a magazine, although it would seem emayhem has plenty of connections, etc. I saved a magazine that had a cover story about kids who steal. The kid on the cover, in the act of stealing from a store, looked like me! (No, it wasn't really me.) We all get our 15 minutes of infamy.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
I saved a magazine that had a cover story about kids who steal. The kid on the cover, in the act of stealing from a store, looked like me! (No, it wasn't really me.) We all get our 15 minutes of infamy.

What magazine was it? And do you suppose the picture was staged?

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by Mercury
What magazine was it? And do you suppose the picture was staged? I don't remember, and I wasn't able to find it tonight. I think it was staged, as a matter of fact. Or maybe I'm a klepto-amnesiac, and it was me after all!

[Backtothemac]

I think it is cool to see pictures of the people that we know.

If we could just get one of arn ;)

[wdlove]

Originally posted by übergeek

Josh, he's different. I've practically had a crush on him since i first laid eyes on him. Sorta like love at first sight. He's nice, he's really romantic, he's smart.

I understand why my parents are thinking like that though. But seriously, they have no right to force me into doing something I dont like...like for example I know for a fact that my grandparents forbade my mom from marrying the man she loved, because her parents wanted her to marry this stuck up lawyer dude who was only in teh whole thing just for the money. Keep in mind that this was in Korea, a long time ago...and my mom would be the first to oppose us being together...even after what she went through.

My major problem with my parents though is the fact that they're trying to force me into becoming a buddhist or a christian. i have no problem with that, but i do have my own beliefs. they have no right to make me believe in something I dont want to believe in. I personally think that religion is a sort of good thing, but i'm not willing to make that leap of faith. Why pretend to believe in something i dont want to believe in!
And maybe instead of yelling at me for getting one little B, maybe they could help me with projects, with my homework. Instead of forcing me to play the ****ing piano, why cant they let me play the instrument of my choice? Instead of planning my life, why cant they just leave me alone and let me ruin my own life?!

Their attitude torwards me, and the lack of people to talk to...it's really making me start to be suicidal. Not like i'm gonna jump out a window right now or anything...but i cant stand it anymore. It all started happening after that damned IQ test and i wish i could have changed my fate, because i'd rather be mentally challenged then go to some stupid school for the gifted.

I think that it is great that you have found the love of your life. With my wife it was love at first sight. That is why she said yes on our third date. Of course we were more than 10 years older.

I glad to hear that you understand your parent views. It is hard to understand now, but trust me you will thank them when you get older. I think that it was wrong what you grandparent did, but in older generations that was common practice.

Your parents really should not force you to do something that you don't want for your life. They should acknowledge your goals and try to assist you. A person always does better at something of interest. I hope that you can find someone in your life that you trust. Possibly a family member, friend or a teacher that you could discuss your feelings. Your life is valuable übergeek. Talking to someone will help you to sort out your feelings. Keeping it all bottled up inside is not healthy.

Religion is a personal thing. No one can force beliefs onto another person. It is only of value to you if it comes from the heart. I'm confident that you will find yourself and gain confidence.

I hope that you don't think that I'm being too personal. I do care!

;)

[Mercury]

Originally posted by wdlove
I think that it is great that you have found the love of your life. With my wife it was love at first sight. That is why she said yes on our third date. Of course we were more than 10 years older.

I glad to hear that you understand your parent views. It is hard to understand now, but trust me you will thank them when you get older. I think that it was wrong what you grandparent did, but in older generations that was common practice.

Your parents really should not force you to do something that you don't want for your life. They should acknowledge your goals and try to assist you. A person always does better at something of interest. I hope that you can find someone in your life that you trust. Possibly a family member, friend or a teacher that you could discuss your feelings. Your life is valuable übergeek. Talking to someone will help you to sort out your feelings. Keeping it all bottled up inside is not healthy.

Religion is a personal thing. No one can force beliefs onto another person. It is only of value to you if it comes from the heart. I'm confident that you will find yourself and gain confidence.

I hope that you don't think that I'm being too personal. I do care!

;)

I'm not trying to jump on you, but you seem to contradict yourself several times, and I'm not sure I agree. At the same time you say that you're glad she understands her parents, and that religion is a personal thing, you say that she'll appreciate it later... She'll appreciate what, the forcing of beliefs, or her parents' direction of who to marry?

Coming from a strong individualistic background, I'm a strong believer in personal choices. This is the USA, not Korea-so even if "tradition" was a kind of excuse there, it's not here.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Mercury

...
Coming from a strong individualistic background, I'm a strong believer in personal choices. This is the USA, not Korea-so even if "tradition" was a kind of excuse there, it's not here.

As much as I believe in Asian traditions, I haven't noticed much about übergeek that is Asian. She's an American individual with an Asian tint. :) While she should accept her parents' advice to help her make a decision, she shouldn't have to follow it once she's 18 and out of their house.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by bousozoku
As much as I believe in Asian traditions, I haven't noticed much about übergeek that is Asian. She's an American individual with an Asian tint. :) While she should accept her parents' advice to help her make a decision, she shouldn't have to follow it once she's 18 and out of their house.

Not much at all...except her parents.

I hate to talk about her behind her back while she's in school, but I believe the issue is her rejection of their "values." Become a lawyer, doctor. Marry nice Korean man, et cetera.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Mercury
Not much at all...except her parents.

I hate to talk about her behind her back while she's in school, but I believe the issue is her rejection of their "values." Become a lawyer, doctor. Marry nice Korean man, et cetera.

That's not all that Asian, really. They might have told her to marry and stay at home to raise a family. It would seem that her parents are progressive. :)

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by bousozoku
That's not all that Asian, really. They might have told her to marry and stay at home to raise a family. It would seem that her parents are progressive. :) not for asians with kids who do well in school--at least, in my experience. and i have had quite a bit in austin, as many of my high school friends were asian ... they very commonly oppose romantic interests by their children in members of another race/culture (who is dedicated to becoming a financial success), and almost always want them to go into fields that merit large salaries.

this is perhaps common to many immigrants, but markedly more so among asians.

[janey]

Originally posted by Mercury
Not much at all...except her parents.

I hate to talk about her behind her back while she's in school, but I believe the issue is her rejection of their "values." Become a lawyer, doctor. Marry nice Korean man, et cetera.
technically i wasn't in school. school ended at like 12:50 today thank god.

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH MY PARENTS IS THAT THEY WANT TO FORCE THEIR BELIEFS AND VALUES ON ME. I want them to leave me alone. If i ruin my life, so be it. I will never ever marry a Korean guy. They're just not the kind of guys I'd want to marry. I dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer either. I'd much rather be homeless than do that. It's just not for me and they have no right to do this. They think i'm ungrateful because of this. They also wonder why so many korean kids dont give a ****** about their parents. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FULL OF ****!

[arn]

Originally posted by britboy
I have a copy of the september issue. Which picture is it exactly?

Even better from that issue is the article about apple rumour websites (page 20). Macrumors is top of their list.

Not a bad billing :)

anyone got a scan of this?

arn

[Mercury]

Originally posted by übergeek
technically i wasn't in school. school ended at like 12:50 today thank god.

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH MY PARENTS IS THAT THEY WANT TO FORCE THEIR BELIEFS AND VALUES ON ME. I want them to leave me alone. If i ruin my life, so be it. I will never ever marry a Korean guy. They're just not the kind of guys I'd want to marry. I dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer either. I'd much rather be homeless than do that. It's just not for me and they have no right to do this. They think i'm ungrateful because of this. They also wonder why so many korean kids dont give a ****** about their parents. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FULL OF ****!

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think she's spoken. And, I don't know how it is in Florida, but here in LA, we get a lot of "Fresh off the boat" people, who, although it may seem progressive to you(to want both genders to work), really force their kids to become doctors and sit in a corner studying all day. I see it all the time at school; Jane is not the type.

[britboy]

Originally posted by arn
anyone got a scan of this?

arn

It's 4 pages long. I had to faff around a bit (it's late, and I'm tired), but they're up now, and should be clear enough to read.

*Links removed*

Warning: they're almost 1meg each.

If you want a higher-res copy, just let me know.

[applemacdude]

Originally posted by übergeek
technically i wasn't in school. school ended at like 12:50 today thank god.

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH MY PARENTS IS THAT THEY WANT TO FORCE THEIR BELIEFS AND VALUES ON ME. I want them to leave me alone. If i ruin my life, so be it. I will never ever marry a Korean guy. They're just not the kind of guys I'd want to marry. I dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer either. I'd much rather be homeless than do that. It's just not for me and they have no right to do this. They think i'm ungrateful because of this. They also wonder why so many korean kids dont give a ****** about their parents. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FULL OF ****!


You go girl;)

[bousozoku]

Here's the MacRumors.com/MacRumours.com piece.

[Daveman Deluxe]

Hmm. That photo is of macrumours.com, not macrumors.com.

[britboy]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Hmm. That photo is of macrumours.com, not macrumors.com.


Heh. It's an easy mistake to make....I'm actually kind of surprised that arn didn't register that domain together with macrumors.com back in the begining.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by britboy
Heh. It's an easy mistake to make....I'm actually kind of surprised that arn didn't register that domain together with macrumors.com back in the begining.

If the Americans wouldn't take liberties with the language, those things wouldn't happen. :D

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by bousozoku
If the Americans wouldn't take liberties with the language, those things wouldn't happen.The site is named after the computers, and the computers are named after McIntosh apples. So it should really be McRumors.com

[janey]

Originally posted by Mercury
Jane is not the type.
How would you know...you've never seen me do anything but like kiss josh-and eat, but rarely.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by übergeek
How would you know...you've never seen me do anything but like kiss josh-and eat, but rarely.

Well, you know, after the lengthy discussion we had about how you weren't going to be a doctor or lawyer and you were going to do what you loved doing despite what your parents' wanted...

Not to mention what you're doing now.

That's how I'd know. =P

Seriously, though, don't you fit any pity for those who just submit?

[jelloshotsrule]

since you guys are so close, you could "like" call each other or something eh

[Durandal7]

A little off topic but I love your sig britboy :D

Just felt like getting that in before this gets wastelanded.

[arn]

Originally posted by bousozoku
Here's the MacRumors.com/MacRumours.com piece.

Stupid Editors.

arn

[britboy]

Originally posted by Durandal7
A little off topic but I love your sig britboy :D

Just felt like getting that in before this gets wastelanded.

Hehe. Thanks :)

It's good to see that at least some people recognise it as being a joke...

[Giaguara]

Congrats for you guys, über and ibookin.

I rarely buy the mac magazines, and even I once found out the number where I was on the last page was out.(macformat uk, march number). Not on this board though. ;) :p

keep your stuff secret, guys!! I'd never show the number where I am to my parents .. ;)

[janey]

Originally posted by Giaguara
keep your stuff secret, guys!! I'd never show the number where I am to my parents .. ;)
rofl too late :D

i grabbed a copy, and my mom wondered why...and she found out :p

[Giaguara]

She found out? If the article or the pic does not individuate your relation/status to ibookin, no problem I guess.. or are you guys running out of home now? ;)

My parents hate tattoos, that'swhy I keep the copy of my magazine in a different country that they are in ... :p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by shadowfax
not for asians with kids who do well in school--at least, in my experience. and i have had quite a bit in austin, as many of my high school friends were asian ... they very commonly oppose romantic interests by their children in members of another race/culture (who is dedicated to becoming a financial success), and almost always want them to go into fields that merit large salaries.

this is perhaps common to many immigrants, but markedly more so among asians.

being asian american myself, i thought that the intense drive for success was the most extreme in asian americans

but then i saw a tv show on the greek americans who actually have the most successful immigrants in this country next to americans of jewish descent...my wife is half greek and half jewish and i have met many of her relatives and heard their success stories and effort they had to put forward

i think the drive to succeed is very prominent among those who have been discriminated against the most in this country...if i were white, my parents told me, i wouldn't have to succeed as much to be accepted on the same level

it really hit home when i read some of the experiences that general colin powell went through being african american...minorities have to really go that extra mile to get noticed and while america has changed greatly in accepting their racial minorities, this country still has a long way to go

i don't think asians want to become doctors or lawyers to be at the top of american society or to have any more money than anybody else, but to achieve those lofty goals just so they can be treated equally

many japanese americans in my dad's generation took the most undersireable and dangerous work in the us army in world war II, suffering the highest casualty rates and getting the most wartime decorations for a relatively small unit, just so they could "walk down main street in america" after the war without being in danger or getting locked up for looking different...and his story was like many other japanese americans...home taken away, business taken away, and locked up in an internment camp...yet still asked, after all that, to serve their country (who incarcerated them) in what many later found to be suicide missions for the us army

[Mercury]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i don't think asians want to become doctors or lawyers to be at the top of american society or to have any more money than anybody else, but to achieve those lofty goals just so they can be treated equally

What I think was the issue is not that the Asian-Americans want to have more money than anyone else by becoming doctors, it's that their parents, who are often the ones who immigrated and then had children here, try to force them into becoming doctors and lawyers. In my area, I see it all the time, as there are many sub-communities where there is no mixing of cultures-just people "fresh off the boat" that stay that way their whole lives.

[janey]

Originally posted by Giaguara
She found out? If the article or the pic does not individuate your relation/status to ibookin, no problem I guess.. or are you guys running out of home now? ;)

My parents hate tattoos, that'swhy I keep the copy of my magazine in a different country that they are in ... :p
oh i thought you meant the fact that that pic is in that mag...
:p
besides, she's seen part of that picture before, slightly modified, because it was the desktop image on my iBook for a week or two.

[janey]

look, most of the time it's because of the parents, money, or because they really want to.
Most of the parents are in it so they can brag about how their daughter/son is a doctor (koreans seem to like doctors more than lawyers) and how they make $$$$$ and how they graduated from Harvard or something. It's for bragging rights. To a lot of Koreans in South Korea, becoming a doctor in the US seems like an almost impossible thing to do. They want to seem as though they're "better" than their friends and family by having a child who is a doctor.
Sometimes the person became a doctor because their family was dirt poor and he/she wanted them to live a better life. So they work their butts off to get 1600s on their SATs, get full scholarships to the university of their choice and go to one of the best medical schools in the nation.
Occasionally you see someone who did it because they liked it and thought that it was and still is the profession for them, like *my* doctor :)

About the parent thing...I'm not kidding. Korean parents love to brag more than anyone else. It's to the point where you just want to do everything that looks wrong in your parents eyes so they'll shut up for once. :rolleyes:

[scem0]

I think Korean parents have every right to brag.

I know a bunch of Koreans at my high school and they all work 10 times as hard as any other person I know.

And to anyone that disagrees: ne go chu parra.

Okay I don't know how to spell any of that. ;)

scem0

[Giaguara]

i had not seen that pic uber.

good luck for you. loving someone does not make you bad, and you can still study like they want etc.

the parents of my ex, escaped when they were like 13-16 (in sicily). they loved each other, they still do and are now nearly 90. i think it took thenm great courage to do that (it was not uncommon there in that time).

don't worry too much about yor parents. love him and study enough .. ;)

[mactastic]

Originally posted by übergeek
look, most of the time it's because of the parents, money, or because they really want to.
Most of the parents are in it so they can brag about how their daughter/son is a doctor (koreans seem to like doctors more than lawyers) and how they make $$$$$ and how they graduated from Harvard or something. It's for bragging rights. To a lot of Koreans in South Korea, becoming a doctor in the US seems like an almost impossible thing to do. They want to seem as though they're "better" than their friends and family by having a child who is a doctor.
Sometimes the person became a doctor because their family was dirt poor and he/she wanted them to live a better life. So they work their butts off to get 1600s on their SATs, get full scholarships to the university of their choice and go to one of the best medical schools in the nation.
Occasionally you see someone who did it because they liked it and thought that it was and still is the profession for them, like *my* doctor :)

About the parent thing...I'm not kidding. Korean parents love to brag more than anyone else. It's to the point where you just want to do everything that looks wrong in your parents eyes so they'll shut up for once. :rolleyes:

LOL, sounds like Kahn Jr. from King of the Hill, except you're not Laotian.:p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by übergeek
look, most of the time it's because of the parents, money, or because they really want to.
Most of the parents are in it so they can brag about how their daughter/son is a doctor (koreans seem to like doctors more than lawyers) and how they make $$$$$ and how they graduated from Harvard or something. It's for bragging rights. To a lot of Koreans in South Korea, becoming a doctor in the US seems like an almost impossible thing to do. They want to seem as though they're "better" than their friends and family by having a child who is a doctor.
Sometimes the person became a doctor because their family was dirt poor and he/she wanted them to live a better life. So they work their butts off to get 1600s on their SATs, get full scholarships to the university of their choice and go to one of the best medical schools in the nation.
Occasionally you see someone who did it because they liked it and thought that it was and still is the profession for them, like *my* doctor :)

About the parent thing...I'm not kidding. Korean parents love to brag more than anyone else. It's to the point where you just want to do everything that looks wrong in your parents eyes so they'll shut up for once. :rolleyes:

maybe that's the way it is now with asian americans today

but in my time growing up (60s and 70s), people who looked like me saw me as the enemies of america and the usa was getting beat in vietnam and the korean war was a draw...it also didn't help that a lot of americans got killed fighting the empire of japan in world war II

harvard, ivy league, or MD degrees aside...it was more about just being treated equally in american society and the quickest way to that was achieving success in business, law, medicine, and many other professions...i guess in time, there was some prestige attached to those good jobs, but in my generation and my parents generation, it was making up for lost time and having had a "late" start achieving just basic citizenship

i still get people who ask me what country i am from, and i tell them "california":p

overall my basic advice to asian americans today is, "do what you enjoy and if college is a part of your path fine...if not, fine...if you go to college, a state funded university will give you the skills and education that an ivy league school will...sure, there are connections at the ivies that the state schools don't have, but if you don't get into harvard, your life is not over":p

and who says you need to study the lucrative, or percieved lucrative fields of medicine, law, business, and the hard sciences?...america could use some asian americans in the arts, music, and literature...when i was in college, i was briefly an english major in creative writing and i was the only one at my college that was asian...the rest were in business, pre med, or the hard sciences (but not soft sciences like psychology, economics, sociology, and political science)...i suspect asian americans have a broader range of interests these days and have an outcome not as tied into money and getting into an 80 hour a week grind

[janey]

Originally posted by scem0
I think Korean parents have every right to brag.

I know a bunch of Koreans at my high school and they all work 10 times as hard as any other person I know.

And to anyone that disagrees: ne go chu parra.
i dont think they have a right to brag.
Since we're the people who do it, what gives THEM the right to brag?!

Oh god scem0, that's not a nice thing to say :p...
(btw, he said "suck my ****" in korean :p)

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by arn
Stupid Editors.

arn

You should sue then IMHO.

:D

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by übergeek
i dont think they have a right to brag.
Since we're the people who do it, what gives THEM the right to brag?!


parents will always brag if "they" didn't do anything...so they want to live their lives throught their kids

thank god, i do some very non brag-able work (computer repair biz and gardening/landscaping biz) so i get no pressue to conform to any special ideal...i don't have to wear a suit and tie and my work does not require me to belong to a golf club or drive a fancy car

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
maybe that's the way it is now with asian americans today

but in my time growing up (60s and 70s), people who looked like me saw me as the enemies of america and the usa was getting beat in vietnam and the korean war was a draw...it also didn't help that a lot of americans got killed fighting the empire of japan in world war II
...
and who says you need to study the lucrative, or percieved lucrative fields of medicine, law, business, and the hard sciences?...america could use some asian americans in the arts, music, and literature...when i was in college, i was briefly an english major in creative writing and i was the only one at my college that was asian...the rest were in business, pre med, or the hard sciences (but not soft sciences like psychology, economics, sociology, and political science)...i suspect asian americans have a broader range of interests these days and have an outcome not as tied into money and getting into an 80 hour a week grind

I second that. Being that I was Japanese, the other kids found out quickly that it meant that I had killed their uncles at Pearl Harbor and they were free to hate and hurt me. It's a different, better world now.

Going to the Korean grocery store today, I was noticing that there was only one Korean vehicle. There were three Mercedes and there is usually at least one Lexus. Maybe they don't have nice houses, but they certainly work hard to have nice cars.

I see more Asians in software development in the U.S.A. today, but definitely not enough. I think that I have only ever met ten, though I'm sure I would see many more if I was in California.

[Tequila Grandma]

Nobody in that picture is anywhere near as cool as my friend David, who brought his Apple IIc to the genius bar during the 10.2 "releasing celebration" at the Aspen Grove Apple Store. My iBook was there too, of course, but it just didn't measure up to the IIc.

Also: Is there a thread for pictures of Macrumors posters? Because if not, there should be - no forum is complete without one. :)

edit: there is. At the time of my original posting, I must have been temporarily psychosomatically blind.

[Mercury]

Originally posted by scem0
I think Korean parents have every right to brag.

I know a bunch of Koreans at my high school and they all work 10 times as hard as any other person I know.

scem0

I don't really want to get into an argument about this, but here goes:

They probably do work that hard. No one is denying that. But, it's probably because of their parents forcing them to do such to the exclusion of other things in life and the immense pressure to be a doctor or somesuch.

I have a real problem with a culture that seeks to force adolescents to be what their parents' want them to be-not what they want to be.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Mercury
I don't really want to get into an argument about this, but here goes:

They probably do work that hard. No one is denying that. But, it's probably because of their parents forcing them to do such to the exclusion of other things in life and the immense pressure to be a doctor or somesuch.

I have a real problem with a culture that seeks to force adolescents to be what their parents' want them to be-not what they want to be.

i also have a problem with a culture like that ;)

my brother and i both were able to rebel from it...at least half way

neither one of us wanted to do the college thing, but we did because it was what our parents wanted...most of the years in college was an excuse for my brother to get into volleyball there in southern california...he racked up enough units for his bachelor's but being spread out so much in sports (not his major), he ended up with just an associate's degree in liberal studies/general studies

...i used school as a way to do my rock music where i found school to be a good place to meet other frustrated students who actually would rather be musicians..i took up so many fun, and non related "creative" classes ranging from pottery to weaving, jewelry making to software development, that i must have 250 units racked up but managed to use only 120 of those for a ba degree...here i am middle aged and my parents are telling me to go to the college and offer me a second degree (i have all the units in place for two more degrees, really) but i won't do it since i took those classes for fun and will continue to...i classify my "major" as life enrichment only...no degree code

as it turned out, both of us are glad we didn't become doctors or something like that...he prizes his free time for sports and has remained in the southern california area and i have time to ...uh..post on macrumors

arn is asian and he is a doctor and i am amazed where he finds the time to post here...he he...i could picture him doing an ob-gyn type of checkup as he looks up at the monitor where, instead of a baby, there is the macrumors posts up there:p

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i could picture him doing an ob-gyn type of checkup as he looks up at the monitor where, instead of a baby, there is the macrumors posts up there:p Future MacRumors news item?

"The streaming QuickTime broadcast of the birth of the son or daughter of Mrs. Mary Jones, Apple engineer and patient of arn, has been postponed due to a conflict with the Macworld keynote speech by Steve Jobs. Mrs. Jones was told to keep up her Lamaze breathing and count the time between contractions until Jobs' speech ends in 2 hours."

[janey]

most cultures dont force kids to be something their parents want them to do.
Korean parents are different. They're doing that, without realizing the big mistake they're making, and even when they finally do realize they just act as if it's no big deal, and MOST OF THEM DO IT.

Sometimes what happens is that the parents are forcing the child into doing something they don't want to do because when they were children their family couldn't afford it or they just decided it was too hard or something.

[Giaguara]

i agree uber. i was overly encouraged to study - my mum's then barely litterate. after the degree (bsc) they changed the tone ... they started to want me to get married. and all parents do mistake, they are sometimes just blind to their own dreams and limitations, or just ... mistake. my life was a hell at your age. my parents never let me anywhere, few friends, and i tried to isolate from everything i knew to my own world. my world or the world as i want is so opposite of what they wanted that no wonder i was suicidal from the beginning of the school .. also the school was a hell, all hte hundreds of people decided that i was the different, the 1 or 2 or 4 of thousands of people that everyone was bitching against. bottle bottom glasses, skinny, bad self respect ... i still have not brang a bf of mine ever to be seen by my parents. im afraid they'd eat or kill it. and i still feel a loser, as i'll never be able anyway to do what they want to make them satisfied ... then if i would try to, i'd hate myself so deeply as some things they still want from me are so deeply against me ... :rolleyes:

don't worry uber. be strong. and you are.

[Doctor Q]

Hmmm. Why do I suddenly have the urge to rent Flower Drum Song and Fiddler on the Roof? For some serious parental expectations, maybe The Godfather too. Would it be too nosey to ask, übergeek, how many generations of your family have been in the USA? One Korean friend of mine is a first generation American and his father is strictly "old country". The kids I know with more "Americanized" parents are treated more like their peers, often meaning that less is expected of them.