How do your uber PC friends deal with the g5?

[dho]

shortly after the announcement of the g5, my peecee friends had some very interesting reactions.

one of my friends now wants to buy a g5, while another spends all of his time telling me it is all steve and his bs.

what kind of responses have you come across?

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by dho
shortly after the announcement of the g5, my peecee friends had some very interesting reactions.

one of my friends now wants to buy a g5, while another spends all of his time telling me it is all steve and his bs.

what kind of responses have you come across?

-dho

One of my IT guys immediatley threw a bunch of benchmarks scores at me with the disabled hyperthreading and the GCC compiler aspects annotated.

Now he's being very quiet, munching on his words.

[CrackedButter]

I have a friend who was at first not interested in Apple and he was quite happy with windows.

Then i got my iPod...

Now he bought a second hand 5GB for his windows machine.

then i told him about the G5, he was in shock and liked the thought of not having to upgrade his machine in like forever...

It appeals to him and i was thinking about buying one, all he said say was "wow, if you get one of those".

I reply with "yeah i know", then i add that there will be dual 3Ghz next year, he just shakes his head with a smile.

[tazo]

Some of em seem to think its pretty cool, while others think cuz its a mac it will suck royally.....

[solvs]

Originally posted by patrick0brien
One of my IT guys immediatley threw a bunch of benchmarks scores at me with the disabled hyperthreading and the GCC compiler aspects annotated.

Now he's being very quiet, munching on his words.

I've seen it both ways.

Lots of benchmarks (some where Apple wins), and news of faster Xeons and Opterons coming. :rolleyes: Some techies tired of Windows, looking at new G5s with OS X.3. :) Not that most of us will be buying new computers right now... but I am still thinking of buying a new Laptop eventually. I do want to see the new 12" in person first. Maybe hold off for an new iBook. Dunno. The 'Books are still pretty popular, even if they are only G3/4.

Most of the people I know are happy with their multi-GHz Win2000 machines (except for the security issues, ;) of course). But I think the future looks good for Apple. Finally getting some respect with the Unix-based OS and IBM chips.

I still hear a lot of "Macs are toys... and they can't even run my favorite game". :rolleyes: Ok. Think about that one for a second.

[dho]

something I thought I might add is that the anti steve friend also said the following when i told him i was in web design:

wow, you speak java?
where did you learn?

[dho]

I also have a friend with an emachine who was drooling overmy imac 500:)

[aphexist]

Originally posted by dho
something I thought I might add is that the anti steve friend also said the following when i told him i was in web design:

wow, you speak java?
where did you learn?

Don't try to blame idiocy on Windows, or others might try to blame smugness on Mac OS.

I am currently a Windows/Linux/Solaris user, and the release of OS 10 caught my eye initially because I am a fan of UI design. I was interested because it looked cute and edible, but I was skeptical whether I could work better on a "beginner's" interface. I finally bought my girlfriend an iBook to use her as a test bed, and I was surprised how I was able to seamlessly move around and get things done, even on a 12" laptop screen with 128mb of RAM.

When my new Powermac comes in, I am going to start using it as my main workstation and see how things go. I don't think it will revolutionize anything I do, but I do expect to have a great user experience and to use what I observe to design my own interfaces. When my new Powerbook comes in, I expect to have a cool-looking laptop. I already have gone through two iPods and they are undeniably the best out there.

My name is Gustave Adolphus and I am a software developer.

[dho]

aphexis:

i am not trying blaming it on windows at all

my attempted implication was that generally the people that blatantly bash macs tend to be the ones with very little knowledge about computers

I apologize for this coming out wrong

there are many misguided users on every platform and that was an example of one of them

[ColoJohnBoy]

My friends that I've told about it just kind of sniff, and ignore it. They don't say a word. But when I showed one of them the insideof a 1.8 GHz at the Apple Store, he gasped, and his mouth kind of hung open. It was wonderful. He told me later he was amazed at how organized and pretty and well-thought-out the inside was. He said no matter what he did he couldn't get his custom built PC to look so nice.

[MoparShaha]

Many of my friends who use Windows are all of a sudden showing an interest in Macs :D. Even in classes at school, people are mentioning G5's. I'm actually expecting a few of them to switch.

[Makosuke]

I've seen the G5s generate a lot of interest, but what baffles me are the people who, as soon as you mention one, have this knee-jerk "those benchmarks are all lies, it's really slow and overrated" reaction. You don't have to talk about its speed, or that you want one, or anything else--just mention one and they feel obligated to insult it and Apple.

Although there's plenty to nit-pick about over Apple's published benchmarks, I have yet to see a real world test that didn't show the G5 to be at the very least competitive with a DP Intel or AMD box, and in many cases they seem to come out ahead.

It makes me wonder if the knee-jerk folks have some deep-seated fear of a non-x86 chip actually equalling (or--heaven forbid--besting) their platform of choice. I, at least, learned a while ago to accept that the chips I use aren't necessarily the fastest on earth end, but do what I want just fine.

[Veldek]

Well, I have to say that my friends didn't care. They're all gamers, so a Mac isn't really a choice for them. There are just one or two where I began to tell them about Macs and where I see chances to switch them perhaps. But I don't think they would be in market for a G5.

[dizastor]

My PC friends think the G5 is really cool looking, but none of them would ever switch I don't think. Sometimes you are just more comfortable with what you know.

I do know, however that I have not doubted my decision to switch since I did so in June of 2000.

[eclipse525]

The average Humaniod are creatures of habit. Most will stick with what they know and are use to. Few will show interest in other options. WHILE the brave will jump right in.........BUT actually...there's nothing to be brave about, if it sucks then you can always go back BUT most don't. MuwwwaaaaHHHHHH!!!


~e

[VegetaPunk]

I also have a friend with an emachine who was drooling overmy imac 500


An emachine!!! That poor Bas..... As you can see Im not fond of them, my brother got one for free and hes thinking about throwing it away. LOL

Anyway my PC friends (that know about computers) basically say "Ya I hear its pretty fast....." Other friends (dont know about computers) "Why do you use a Mac??? They Suck!" :rolleyes:

The think keeping my friends from switching and me from upgrading is price :( there expensive...

[markjones05]

At least apple is getting alot of ink as well as word of mouth publicity as of late. Its all due there boost in advertising. I take credit for switching two people over this last weekend.

[eclipse525]

Originally posted by markjones05
At least apple is getting alot of ink as well as word of mouth publicity as of late. Its all due there boost in advertising. I take credit for switching two people over this last weekend.

yeah...they'll get a lot more ink if they land that deal of 150,000 laptops for the school system. They say it's either them or Dell.....love to see the outcome of this little battle.

~e

[dho]

eclipse525:

they beat dell at VT:D

unfortunately we might have to wait untill the g5 goes into the PB-G5 before we see apple making a deal like that:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

but you never know;)
:end smiley spasm:

[jefhatfield]

many pc users i know thought the G4 tower was very cool and when my wife got one in 2000, many pc users came to her office at work to check it out and most liked it

i worked with a pc tech that hated macs, and most people too...and when a G4 was stored near his work area, he would literally kick them and shove them around

i think the G5 will bring a lot of interested and curious pc users but they will not be awed by the 2 ghz chip when they have a chip in the P4 that goes 3.2 ghz

[Daveman Deluxe]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i worked with a pc tech that hated macs, and most people too...and when a G4 was stored near his work area, he would literally kick them and shove them around

I don't like people like that. It's sort of like the Hell's Angels--if a Hell's Angel comes across ANYTHING with two wheels that isn't a Harley, he'll trash it. Seriously.

I remember arguing with my friends about Macs and PCs in sixth grade.

"The Mac is faster."
"Nuh-uh!"
"Yuh-huh!"
"Nuh-uh!"

Continue ad infinitum. :D

Wait, it's still like that! :eek:

[David_be]

People will be more interested in mac when Microsoft will show out his Windows Longhorn/Palladium (even if the tenth of it is true...).

In Europe, Medias didn't talk at all of the coming of the G5 (I've just seen once a advertising on TV).

I hope , that will change during 2004...

_______________________________________________________
I'm David Descamps and I am a belgian student in computering

http://www.petitiononline.com/msn64mac/petition.html

[srobert]

http://homepage.mac.com/srobert/.Pictures/3winteldrones.jpg

either that or they start screaming and fling feces at me.

[eclipse525]

Originally posted by dho
eclipse525:

they beat dell at VT:D

unfortunately we might have to wait untill the g5 goes into the PB-G5 before we see apple making a deal like that:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

but you never know;)
:end smiley spasm:

Most likely the deal has to be made before year's end because the want to implement it 1st o the year. The G4's will be just fine for their needs. It's not that their going to do any hardcore video editing or 3D rendering and even so, they can pull it off just fine.

Here's another article that might be of interest....

http://www.businessweek.com/print/technology/content/oct2003/tc2003101_8543_tc056.htm?tc



~e

[Waluigi]

I have a lot of friends and collegues in denial that a 'MAC' could be remotely good because it 'can't play computer games'. Then again, most people I know are drooling over it, and have begged me to use it, and even just touch it....

I love my G5!!!

--Waluigi

[mactastic]

Originally posted by Waluigi
'MAC'

Lol, you better duck! Some people find that to be a major faux pax.;)

[1adonis1]

my mac plays games great. UT2003 runs smooth, and so does Retrun to Castle wolfenstien.

[srobert]

Originally posted by 1adonis1
my mac plays games great. UT2003 runs smooth, and so does Retrun to Castle wolfenstien.

Agreed, but most PC gamer contemplating/criticizing Macs have problems with the availability of game titles.

[Zion Grail]

Three words:

Denial, denial, denial.

:D

[dho]

srobert: nice pic:)

eclipse525: Thnx for the link

oh great, another rumor that is going to make me check macr 10 times a day.

1.74 posts a day and climbing:)

[billyboy]

I was hovering around the computer department at John Lewis. They have rows of PC laptops and so on, and although there were plenty of customers, they were just going through the motions and it all seemed very dull. People were walking over to the Apple stand and like grinning at the G5 and literally going wow. Shame the dual processor wasnt set up because there was only a 1.6 Ghz G5 and a couple of cinema dispalys to blow people away with. That was a fast little beasty though, and it was quite a reasonable price too. So price and performance seem to be levelling out which should count for something when talking to PC speed heads looking to knock Macs. Problem is though, you just cant get any software for a Mac - can you!!!!:o

[eclipse525]

Originally posted by srobert
Agreed, but most PC gamer contemplating/criticizing Macs have problems with the availability of game titles.


It is denial. How many games can you possibly play or rather want. The reality is that most of the games in the PC world are CRAP. Only a handful are quality games and a good portion of the quality ones are on OSX. Besides, isn't that were a PS2 or XBox come into play. To satisfy the hard core gamer.

~e

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by eclipse525
It is denial. How many games can you possibly play or rather want. The reality is that most of the games in the PC world are CRAP. Only a handful are quality games and a good portion of the quality ones are on OSX. Besides, isn't that were a PS2 or XBox come into play. To satisfy the hard core gamer.

~e

so true

but having a pc, and almost any pc, and then walking into a office depot, electronic boutique, or whatever is so fun...all those games to choose from...but i don't really use my pc for games, i just love spending a lot of time looking at all the cool games...he he

gamers tell me it's better to get a playstation or x-box since heavy gaming gums up windows and files

i acutally use my ibook most of the time and i love to come here and post

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by eclipse525
It is denial. How many games can you possibly play or rather want. The reality is that most of the games in the PC world are CRAP. Only a handful are quality games and a good portion of the quality ones are on OSX. Besides, isn't that were a PS2 or XBox come into play. To satisfy the hard core gamer.

~e

That would seem to go beyond games on x86 machines.

Probably, the people complaining about the lack of games pay for very few of the games they have anyway, so we certainly don't want them over here.

Between the PowerBook pulling in Linux/FreeBSD/UNIX people and the G5 pulling in the scientific community, I'd say that the x86 people's jibes are getting a bit thin.

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by bousozoku
I'd say that the x86 people's jibes are getting a bit thin.

- and starting to acquire a note of despiration as they lash out in an attempt to convince themselves that they made a good purchase of their own.

[dho]

maybe the will treat it like the ipod,

its just TOO fast

[1337h4x012]

ok i am pretty sure the majority of you are mac users, but first off mac lies. On their site they say "how fast" well the speeds that they have are on optimized macs and even then the cpu 2000 results are equal to that of the intel pentium 4 2.4 ghz 800 mhz fsb 875 pbz mb. If you do not believe me go to www.spec.org. This is the OFFICIAL cpu 2000 website. Mac doesn't post, because they are out gunned, but they are a member. Second if you still do not believe me then go to this article, it states that mac was lying on their stats, and they were on specifically optimized computers. http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/39381/39381.html
This should clarify things.

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by 1337h4x012

This should clarify things.

-1337h4x012

Not at all. A Honda S2000 redlines at 8,000 rpm but that doesn't mean it's faster than a Ferrari. There's far more to it that just spec scores.

Also, Mac doesn't lie, it's Apple, and they are guilty of marketing, not lying. Lying is a criminal and civil offense (misrepresentation) and it is highly prosecutable by law.

The whole argument, in a nutshell is that the G5 is right there among the pack. This is why it's so argued.

We'll see what happens when the next set of G5's hit. I think then arguing will be pointless. Remember the P4 is at the end of it's design lifetime. The G5 is right at the start, and this even precludes the G6 (PPC980) due.

I think any Apple consumer will agree that they do miss boats, but when the wake up to it, they come roaring back.

[manitoubalck]

The G5, would start to ping on my radar of possible computers to by if,
a) it had at least a second optical bay and 1 3&1/4" external bay.
b) it could play games better than my Sub $1000AUD PC
c) The price dropped to a more reasonable amount.
d) I could only buy the 2 processors and 1 motherboard, from IBM, and whoever produces the PCB's.

Save that my next purchace will either be and Athlon 64 or AthlonXP 2500+(stop gap) bassed system using an Ati graphics card.

However no purcases will be made until at least April when BTX motherboards are due to be released with the new PCI Express graphics standard.

[Doraemon]

ALL of my PCs friends just want one. Now.
But they can't afford. And they don't care fore the rest of the Mac models.

[5300cs]

"It's too expensive!! It's too expensive!!" is all I hear from my pc friends. (Actually, I use the term 'friends' loosely now because I only seem to have contact with them when they want me to fix something for them.) I personally haven't used the G5 enough to have an opinion (except that it's HUGE.) I also just bought a G4 tower a few months ago, so buying a G5 is not in the plan right now :(

One person I know in particular has a great time complaining about Macs, yet never hesitates to call me up the minute his xp box goes south. :rolleyes:

[ewinemiller]

It's not even on their radar. They simply don't care.

[true777]

Several of my UNIX/ sys admin/ Java programmer/ Linux type friends, who mostly used Windows boxes as their private machines before, have gotten interested in the Mac not just when the G5 came out, but actually as soon as OS X got popular and usable (around 10.1). Several of them have already bought Macs, and they're extremely happy with them.

One Java programmer friend who's a UNIX/Linux guy and tired of his home Windows machine, is about to buy his first Mac - a 15" 1.25 Ghz Powerbook, since he's in the market for a portable and can't wait for the PB G5 this summer. And while generally computers are commodities for him, he's actually excited about this one! AND whereas in previous years, he always looked down at me for being a Mac person - practically equating Mac with computer-illiterate ("if you knew how to use a computer, you wouldn't need one of those Macs") - he now actually came to me to ask for advice about which Powerbook to buy, what accessories, whether to go with the APP, when to buy, etc. So I think OS X has really changed the image of "Mac" in the eyes of at least some folks.

[krimson]

my friend went out and bought a dual 2.0, and a 23" display.. that's what he did.. LOL :D

[neoelectronaut]

Most of my conversations kind of go like this:

Me: Hey, I just got me eMac the other day, it's pretty cool.

Moron: Dude, you got a Mac? Macs suck.

Me: Okay, when's the last time you actually USED a Mac?

Moron: I've never used one.

HOW THE HELL CAN SOMEONE DISS SOMETHING THEY'VE NEVER USED!? JUST GIVE THE FREAKING THING A CHANCE!....

I then proceed to bash the moron's head in with my 50 pounds of eMac. :-)

I also can't tell you how many times my friends have asked me: "What color did you get?" As if they still sold the colors of iMacs or something.