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I hate the mac
Jan 16, 2008, 11:27 AM
I am posting this, mainly to vent my dissatisfaction at Apple, and maybe worn others of the Apple trickery I have fallen pray to.

Don´t be fooled by Apple, they are just another greedy company after your hard earned money.

I switched over to mac with the understanding that Apple would provide the support necessary, through ´Boot Camp´ to allow me to run my XP on the macbook I had purchased, and therefore use the extensive collection of windows based software I had built up, (these being mainly games of course).

After about 4 months however, I started to realise that Apple, in all their greediness, had put out on the market a device (macbook), that was not ready for sale. Only incompetent, or thoughtless money hungry companies release products without testing them thoroughly, and to release a product that is faulty, is showing little (or no) respect for their customers.
My macbook, as was the case with many other users, had (among other things) overheating issues than forced the computer the just switch off, at the worst time I might add, if there is such a thing as a good time for a computer to crash.

Besides the hardware issues I was having, I was just getting tired of mac OS. Don´t get me wrong, I´m not knocking the OS. I just didn´t like it; maybe because I had become too accustomed to Windows, I still remember having to use DOS to get things done many years ago, and later awaiting the release of Windows 3.11.
But my choice to switch back to windows was made easy when the hard drive in the macbook decided to go faulty on me and die.

Anyhow, I rang up Dell and had a new Vista equipped notebook at my doorstep a couple of days later. I sent the mac to Apple to get repaired (under warranty) in the mean time.

Now, a year on, I am planning a trip to tour the USA on a motorcycle.
I thought it would be a good idea to dig out the macbook from whichever hole I had buried it in, and take that instead of the not soo small 17¨ Dell 9400 (E1705 for the cousins).
At first however, I intended to stick with the 10.4 Tiger, and just replace iworks06 I had purchased with the macbook, and get ms word for mac, the keyboard on the macbook I really like, except for the sticky key that was fixed when sent for repair. I would also load my photos, video and music, and seeing as the later I purchased from the online itunes store, without being able to play it elsewhere, it´s just as well I don´t really listen to music anyway.
But, I have just found out that macs will not support pocket pc (wm6) devices. So, in order to backup my newly acquired, awesome HTC Advantage, I figured I would have no choice but to install boot camp again, along with my old copy of XP Pro.

But lo and behold, Apple have withdrawn their support for boot camp on non-leopard OS. What a surprise! Apple want me to spend more money buying their new OS. They certainly have the art of making money down to a tee. The bastards!

I hate greedy corporations, and Apple is as greedy as they come.

We live in world where honour is something very rare, and Apple certainly have none of it. I was led to believe that I would still be able to run Windows on the macbook, this was the main reason I decided to go ahead with the purchase.
But Apple have found a way of sucking more money out of me even though I don´t want to use their OS, just the hardware I have already paid them for.

I´m not asking Apple to spread their wealth, just provide me with what they promised, or inferred; to provide users with the means to run Windows on macs. The ****ers!

Well, no more money! ¨Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you!¨
I WILL throw the macbook in a river before I give Apple another cent of my money. I was prepared to give them another chance by using their OS, and who knows, maybe I would have become accustomed to using it and never have switched back to Windows again.

I heard, and watched for years the amusing marketing of Apple against Windows, saying how cool mac OS was, and how Apple was the choice for young, smart, slightly rebellious and cool people. And that Microsoft was for the old, crusty and unadventurous suit wearing types. But Microsoft I figure, are also a greedy corporation, but at least they don´t pretend to be anything other than that; a huge corporations that makes tonnes of money every minute of the day, whilst Apple pretend to be some kind of crusading people´s company; stick to the man they imply, the man presumably represented by Microsoft? What a laugh!

I don´t expect anyone to give their products away for free, and I am only to willing to pay for quality products, I have never used pirated software because I believe that people should get paid for their work, but Apple have been good (but not great) products for many years, and surviving on the loyalty of their dedicated customers who, also thought they were buying into something different than the norm, and ´sticking to the man´ to some degree.

To those looking to buy a Windows alternative; Try both Windows and Mac at a shop, and decide for yourself which suits your needs better, but don´t be fooled by the crap Apple is leading you to believe about themselves or their competitor(s), remember; they are a business, and a thoughtless, inconsiderate and misleading one at that. And please don´t give your loyalty to any other than your family and/or friends.
Corporations, religions, governments, salesmen and/or politicians will only serve to disappoint you some day.

To Apple I say; release a boot camp that I can use with OS 10.4.:mad:

What could they possibly be doing with soo much bloody money anyway? If these ******* corporations pledged some money from their sales to helping out the poor people of the world, there would be some hope for humanity.
So here is my pledge Apple; you build water wells in 3 African villages, and I´ll buy Leopard OS from you. Otherwise, go and you know what with yourselves!



dpaanlka
Jan 16, 2008, 11:31 AM
The main point of this post seems to be Boot Camp Beta being withdrawn.

Um, what part of BETA didn't you understand? It was never a "product" and was never guaranteed to work with Mac OS X Tiger. Boot Camp was never "supported" - if you want support you can buy Parallels.

Boot Camp was intended for geeky testers to try out who were well aware it may not work and be pulled eventually.

Eidorian
Jan 16, 2008, 11:33 AM
The main point of this post seems to be Boot Camp Beta being withdrawn.

Um, what part of BETA didn't you understand? It was never a "product" and was never guaranteed to work with Mac OS X Tiger. Boot Camp was never "supported" - if you want support you can buy Parallels.I managed to read this post as well and in the end can't you just turn back the system clock to get Boot Camp to work?

Otherwise, companies are out to make money. That's not new news for us. Greed(y) was used 5 times.

themoonisdown09
Jan 16, 2008, 11:39 AM
I switched over to mac with the understanding that Apple would provide the support necessary, through ´Boot Camp´ to allow me to run my XP on the macbook I had purchased, and therefore use the extensive collection of windows based software I had built up, (these being mainly games of course).

I pretty much stopped reading the post there. When Boot Camp first came out, Apple said that it is not supported and to use at YOUR OWN risk. When Leopard came out, they got rid of the beta version. Get Leopard and try using that one.

Um, what part of BETA didn't you understand? It was never a "product" and was never guaranteed to work with Mac OS X Tiger. Boot Camp was never "supported" - if you want support you can buy Parallels.

Boot Camp was intended for geeky testers to try out who were well aware it may not work and be pulled eventually.

I agree. I actually like Parallels better... but I don't play any Windows games.

Mechcozmo
Jan 16, 2008, 11:40 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, please: do not perform what I am about to do. (Know as, "feeding the troll")

But, I have just found out that macs will not support pocket pc (wm6) devices. So, in order to backup my newly acquired, awesome HTC Advantage, I figured I would have no choice but to install boot camp again, along with my old copy of XP Pro.

As it happens, Apple publishes all the juicy details on their frameworks, so that applications can be made it sync with each other and devices. Microsoft likes their own ActiveSync, mostly because it doesn't make backups and has major issues synchronizing. But, I digress.

If you would like to sync your shiny HTC, buy The Missing Sync. It isn't the greatest software, but it is the only one out there. You can download it and use it for 30 days as a free trial.

Have fun and be safe on you motorcycle trip.

Queso
Jan 16, 2008, 11:45 AM
Welcome to the real world mate. In the meantime, you might find that Missing Sync (http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_windowsmobile.php) gets you round the Windows Mobile issue.

Feverish Flux
Jan 16, 2008, 11:47 AM
Sounds like you purchased a Mac to be a Windows machine and support Windows devices. Aside form your bad hardware luck, I think your expectations are/were totally unrealistic.

You expect Apple to support Windows, on a beta product you got for free, no less?

You expect Windows Mobile devices to play nice with the OS? (Missing Sync is a good solution, BTW.)

To Apple I say; release a boot camp that I can use with OS 10.4

They did, it's called 10.5 :)

themoonisdown09
Jan 16, 2008, 11:49 AM
Welcome to the real world mate. In the meantime, you might find that Missing Sync (http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_windowsmobile.php) gets you round the Windows Mobile issue.

I'm pretty sure that this is a troll. If not, I don't think he has ever bothered to do any research about the Windows mobile work arounds or... anything. If I was having the "problems" he was having, I would look it up online and find ways to resolve it... but that's just me I guess.

Eidorian
Jan 16, 2008, 11:50 AM
I have a feeling the OP isn't going to come back to make another post.

balamw
Jan 16, 2008, 11:55 AM
Boot Camp was intended for geeky testers to try out who were well aware it may not work and be pulled eventually.
And any true geek would be able to follow the directions at onmac.net to install Windows without Boot Camp Assistant to hold their hand.

B

slu
Jan 16, 2008, 11:55 AM
Aside from your hardware issues, I don't have much sympathy for you. Others have already pointed out the boot camp stuff, but I just wanted to say something about your categorization of Apple (or any company for that matter) as a "greedy corporation".

You need to realize that Apple (or any public company) has only one fiduciary responsibility: to maximize shareholder value. While you can argue that poor customer service hurts shareholder value, you cannot argue that they have any responsibility other than that.

If you have a problem with this, I'd say your issue is with Capitalism and not with Apple specifically. <Insert any public company here> does the exact same thing.

Sky Blue
Jan 16, 2008, 11:59 AM
I'm pretty sure the boot camp software, on the day of release, said it was a limited time deal.

RTFM

themoonisdown09
Jan 16, 2008, 12:03 PM
I'm pretty sure the boot camp software, on the day of release, said it was a limited time deal.

RTFM

They did... but the OP failed to read about it when he was downloading it from Apple's website.

gothiquegirrl
Jan 16, 2008, 12:20 PM
since your just throwing it in a river anyway... and it's not a quality product..

Can i have it??

I mean, since you aren't gonna use it anyway...

You know.. Recycle- Reuse... Think of it as a gift to the environment. Afterall, giving it to me is better for the planet than throwing it in a river!

:D:rolleyes::p:eek:

thagomizer
Jan 16, 2008, 12:38 PM
Dude, you don't even need Boot Camp to run Windows natively on the Mac.

Just manually partition your disk, boot from a Windows CD, and install Windows. Then download and install the appropriate drivers (or use your Boot Camp drivers CD that you originally made; it will still work).

thegeist
Jan 16, 2008, 12:44 PM
Dude, sell me your macbook. Then the pain will be all over.

K-Funk
Jan 16, 2008, 01:14 PM
Hey guys, doesn't my "Just bought a Vostro" post seem mild now? ;)

Plutor
Jan 16, 2008, 06:18 PM
Throwing it in a river doesn't sound very environmentally conscious. :eek:

mac-er
Jan 16, 2008, 06:28 PM
What could they possibly be doing with soo much bloody money anyway? If these a$$hole corporations pledged some money from their sales to helping out the poor people of the world, there would be some hope for humanity.
So here is my pledge Apple; you build water wells in 3 African villages, and I´ll buy Leopard OS from you. Otherwise, go and you know what with yourselves!

Seriously, are you living in some hippie dream world? That is cute and all to build water wells or whatever, but Apple is not the Peace Corps. Neither is any other company. Companies make money, and it is none of you business what they do with it unless you are a shareholder.

Donate some of your money to the poor people of the world, since you can afford to go out and buy so many of these computers.

gescom
Jan 16, 2008, 06:36 PM
Seriously who comes here with the name "I hate the mac"? I think this is spam. I am not trying to start anything I am just pointing this out as it seems he has been biased since day one.

zioxide
Jan 16, 2008, 06:44 PM
I switched over to mac with the understanding that Apple would provide the support necessary, through ´Boot Camp´ to allow me to run my XP on the macbook I had purchased, and therefore use the extensive collection of windows based software I had built up, (these being mainly games of course).

They do. Boot Camp is a feature of Leopard. It was released as a LIMITED BETA before Leopard came out.

After about 4 months however, I started to realise that Apple, in all their greediness, had put out on the market a device (macbook), that was not ready for sale. Only incompetent, or thoughtless money hungry companies release products without testing them thoroughly, and to release a product that is faulty, is showing little (or no) respect for their customers.
My macbook, as was the case with many other users, had (among other things) overheating issues than forced the computer the just switch off, at the worst time I might add, if there is such a thing as a good time for a computer to crash.

This is what happens when you buy the first version of ANY product. You had a warranty. You should have called Apple up and they would have fixed/replaced your machine if it had the Random Shutdown thing.

But lo and behold, Apple have withdrawn their support for boot camp on non-leopard OS. What a surprise! Apple want me to spend more money buying their new OS. They certainly have the art of making money down to a tee. The bastards!

Beta isn't just a greek letter.

I hate greedy corporations, and Apple is as greedy as they come.

HOLY ****, A COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY?

I´m not asking Apple to spread their wealth, just provide me with what they promised, or inferred; to provide users with the means to run Windows on macs.

Maybe you should have read the fine print, because it clearly said Boot Camp was beta and would be disabled once Leopard was released.

Well, no more money! ¨Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you!¨ http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

I WILL throw the macbook in a river before I give Apple another cent of my money. I was prepared to give them another chance by using their OS, and who knows, maybe I would have become accustomed to using it and never have switched back to Windows again.

Send it to me instead.

What could they possibly be doing with soo much bloody money anyway? If these ******* corporations pledged some money from their sales to helping out the poor people of the world, there would be some hope for humanity.
So here is my pledge Apple; you build water wells in 3 African villages, and I´ll buy Leopard OS from you. Otherwise, go and you know what with yourselves!

http://www.apple.com/ipod/red/


greedy corporation, but at least they don´t pretend to be anything other than that; a huge corporations that makes tonnes of money every minute of the day <snip rest of long ass rant about capitalism>

In conclusion, **** off troll. Go move to north korea or some other communist country if you don't like capitalism.

chris200x9
Jan 16, 2008, 06:46 PM
two words public beta .....I wanted vista free but I just missed the window to get the public beta so it will cost me 400 dollars but am I complaining? no! plus you don't need bootcamp it's not exactly rocket science partition free space and install windows :eek:

ChrisA
Jan 16, 2008, 06:57 PM
So this guy complains about companies shipping products without testing them and then goes ahead and uses BETA software and complains that BETA software is not tested.

He should have done his homework before buying a Macbook as a video game platform. The macbook is not well siuted to that use. Further proof that people that buy products unsuited to their needs end up unhappy wit them.

Now if the major use of the Macbook had been to organize is photo collection and some lite video editing or writing papers at school it would be different

BrokenE
Jan 16, 2008, 07:09 PM
I sympathize with anyone that is not getting what they were supposed to get from a product. That being said, aside from what people have already stated above, i have talked to several people who own both a mac and a pc. All prefer the MAC. You know, instead of blaming apple, maybe you should blame yourself and others like you who continue to support an inferior product...so much so that microsoft (king of flooding the market with unready to use products) is such a giant that I doubt we will ever be rid of them. Now that's a sad story. It's like you're an addict on crack...you know it's bad for you but you just can't get enough. I feel sorry for you.

sbornia
Jan 16, 2008, 07:12 PM
I am posting this, mainly to vent my dissatisfaction at Apple, and maybe worn others of the Apple trickery I have fallen pray to.

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dsnort
Jan 16, 2008, 07:18 PM
"SNIP"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like the MacBook, then I wish you well with your Dell.

I am entitled to my opinion too, and here it is.

I have never read a post or rant in which the poster takes so much umbrage in a fashion that so so blatantly displays their own ignorance and lack anything even remotely resembling intellect or knowledge of the subject at hand. I am going to assume that Mommy and Daddy bought you the computers as your post has me convinced that you lack experience in the ways of the world that exposure to work and being responsible for taking care of yourself would bring.

Just my two cents.

themoonisdown09
Jan 16, 2008, 08:17 PM
Just my two cents.

Don't you know that you should be donating your two cents to some poor country... you're so ungrateful and greedy.

motomac
Jan 16, 2008, 08:29 PM
¨Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you!¨


This guy has EVERYTHING completly a$$ backwards! In this instance, "Fool me once, shame on YOU. Fool me twice, shame on ME." is the correct saying, cause

Idiot. Shouldn't he be guarding a bridge somewhere.....

nyprospect
Jan 17, 2008, 04:08 AM
Do some research before you give up on Apple.I switched and i hope i never have to go back.I know why they called it windows now.It's because after you try it you wanna jump out of one.

Wild-Bill
Jan 17, 2008, 04:28 AM
One-post troll. :rolleyes:

Move along. Nothing to see here.....

myeggsareboiled
Jan 17, 2008, 04:32 AM
Hey dude, I'm sorry you had issues with switching, but here is my experiences with apple. I bought an ibook 1.33Ghz many many moons ago. I have always been an Apple user, although I am no fanboi. I simply like to use things without fuc*ing about. My wife was a windows user. She picked up OSX Panther very quickly, and now hates the fact she has to use windows at work, because it is always crashing on her. When I initially bought the laptop, I was sold a bluetooth mouse that I was told would work with the laptop (wife doesn't like a trackpad). Guess what? The laptop didn't have bluetooth. A week later the superdrive packed in. I went back to John Lewis (UK) where I bought the laptop. Vented my frustration at the poor sales guy. He took the laptop, and returned it a week later. Apple and JL split the cost of installing bluetooth, fixed the drive, and gave an extra years' guarantee for my troubles. Several years later, still using Panther, and rarely have compatibility issues. Installed extra ram to get an extra couple of years more out of it. Putting leopard on it for the same reason. Getting a new mac next week, but will still use this beast as it has served me very very well. It is by no means a supercomputer, but as a family computer it has been superb for 4 years. What Windows PC gives that kind of lifespan? With leopard and more ram, I expect to get another couple of years yet. I hope my new Mini will last almost as long.

By the way, if you want to play games, get a Ps3. I did, and they are awesome. No PC can do the same for £300

Sun Baked
Jan 17, 2008, 04:49 AM
Switch your trip to Canada or Mexico, they have better product.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11560

Edit: BTW, wonderful to welcome you to the site.

Passante
Jan 17, 2008, 05:01 AM
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That troll looks too attractive to be I Hate the Mac! (also too smart :D)

Impulz
Jan 17, 2008, 06:35 AM
Only incompetent, or thoughtless money hungry companies release products without testing them thoroughly, and to release a product that is faulty, is showing little (or no) respect for their customers.

I like that quote in combination with the fact that you decided to use Vista.

markfc
Jan 17, 2008, 06:54 AM
This is thread of the year for 2008 I reckon.
Very Funny Stuff. What an ass. Go do some research.

r88my
Jan 19, 2008, 11:04 AM
LOL!

I am posting this, mainly to vent my dissatisfaction at Apple, and maybe worn others of the Apple trickery I have fallen pray to.

Were you using apples spllcheker or windows?

The bastards!

This made me chuckle

I was led to believe that I would still be able to run Windows on the macbook, this was the main reason I decided to go ahead with the purchase.


Why buy a macbook just to run windows? Insane!

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jan 19, 2008, 11:16 AM
And right about here this thread is done...