Apple to Broadcast Music Event

[MacRumors]

Apple will be broadcasting the October 16th Music Event to select Apple stores (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/10/20031013130359.shtml).

The event starts at 10am PT on Thursday, October 16, 2003 and is expected to announce the iTunes Music Store for Windows. There have also been rumors of other possible announcements.

[Photorun]

Hmmm, wonder if they'll have a (hidden?) web stream?

[Freg3000]

Hopefully there will be a web stream a few hours later.

[mxpiazza]

The best keeps getting better. Come to one of these Apple stores Thursday, Oct 16, at 10 a.m. PT to see a live satellite broadcast of this exciting event.

http://www.apple.com/retail/musicevent/

[coolbreeze]

Why did the webstreams seem to go away? It's like if you don't have a satellite, or an Apple Store nearby, you have to sit staring, reloading a silly webpage for news.

Hopefully MSNBC will carry the Apple event (isn't that an oxymoron?).

[mrpuffypants]

Why Knox Street! Why won't you play things like this!

Damn apple forcing me to drive another hour into Plano just to see Steve's face talk.

....hell, I'll just watch the stream :)

[sebimeyer]

This is not the first time Apple has done this. I watched the unveiling of the iTunes Music Store at the Retail Store in Tampa.

[SilentPanda]

I have little doubt the the iTunes music store for Windows will be announced... but...

What about the current countdown for Panther? They certainly won't bump that off their main page for anything will they? It just seems weird I suppose. Something to think about.

[earlopogous]

Originally posted by SilentPanda
I have little doubt the the iTunes music store for Windows will be announced... but...

What about the current countdown for Panther? They certainly won't bump that off their main page for anything will they? It just seems weird I suppose. Something to think about.

Well, i thought about that yesterday, i think they will just bump it down to the bottom, like they did the G5 and then return it to the front when its released.

[ddbean]

Originally posted by SilentPanda
I have little doubt the the iTunes music store for Windows will be announced... but...

What about the current countdown for Panther? They certainly won't bump that off their main page for anything will they? It just seems weird I suppose. Something to think about.

I'm guessing a split image. There's plenty of space for both concepts.

[Wonder Boy]

Odd isnt the right word but it is ____ to me that apple is streaming the broadcast and having bands celebreate itunes for PC when a lesser deal was made for the products on their own platform. I realize the bigger market, but still. its just a little _____.

[dho]

Photoru:

if they do steam it, then it will probably be in windows media like last time :(

[xtekdiver]

Maybe this will be a good time for me to finally get an iPod.

[dho]

Wonder Boy:

interesting might be the right word

this could be something much bigger than we are anticipating...

or not

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by SilentPanda
I have little doubt the the iTunes music store for Windows will be announced... but...

What about the current countdown for Panther? They certainly won't bump that off their main page for anything will they? It just seems weird I suppose. Something to think about. Didn't Apple do this last time when Jag was announced? I seem to remember another annoucement and the countdown clock was put in a smaller box below with a counter.

[nagromme]

Maybe Apple will let traffic come to Apple.com seeking iTunes... and end up seeing a big Panther teaser as well. No harm there!

PS... Don't forget to post your clickable iTunes recommendations:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41559

[dongmin]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
Odd isnt the right word but it is ____ to me that apple is streaming the broadcast and having bands celebreate itunes for PC when a lesser deal was made for the products on their own platform. I realize the bigger market, but still. its just a little _____.

1. iTunes for Windows - definite
2. iTMS for Windows - definite
3. Launch of new ad campaign - definite
4. Pod accessory - good chance
5. iTunes 5 for Macs - 50-50
6. new iPod features (not related to accessories) - possible

With just 1-4, it'll be a blockbuster event. This is a BIG DEAL for Apple. Apple should pull out all stops for the Windows iTMS--it has the potential to make a lot more impact on Apple than iTMS for Mac ever will. The combination of iTMS and iPod could be the killer appliance+internet commerce combination that everyone's dreaming of pulling off (including Sony, Msoft, Dell, etc.).

[Jerry Spoon]

Stinks for the St. Louis Apple Store and other stores that don't carry the live broadcasts :mad:

[Java]

I find it interesting that out of four possible stores in the San Francisco bay area, only one is carrying the feed. And my luck, it is the furthest from my house. Oh well. At least one of them is broadcasting.

I am excited to see what they announce.

[Vector]

Originally posted by dho
Photoru:

if they do steam it, then it will probably be in windows media like last time :(

What? When? I have watched every stream that i can remember for the past couple of years and i have no idea what you are talking about. Apple has their own streaming media server why would they possibly do such a thing.

[reedm007]

Originally posted by dho
Photoru:

if they do steam it, then it will probably be in windows media like last time :(

Uhm... I don't think Apple has *ever* streamed anything in windows media.

Unless, what I considered to be a typo, you actually meant "if they do steam it", then perhaps they will steam windows media. :P

[arn]

Originally posted by reedm007
Uhm... I don't think Apple has *ever* streamed anything in windows media.


MSNBC relayed the previous Music Event sat feed over Windows Media.

We had known satellite coordinates then though

arn

[miradu]

WHY did they close the Mall of America Apple store for remodeling NOW, and not in like august?!?!?! *Sigh* No watching of a music event for me.

[reyesmac]

I can't wait to see how fast itunes is on relatively new (under a year old) mac and pc systems. I think the pc will get higher visualization fps, but overall I want to see how fast my pc is compared to my mac. Considering what Apple claims about the speed of my system compared to PC's when it came out, they should be pretty even. I hope it will do the rendezvous thing between OS's, no reason to have one computer doing all the work of playing songs when you have more than one on a network.

[SiliconAddict]

:( I bet if the MN store wasn't getting renovated they'd be streaming it there too. Crap.

[reedm007]

Originally posted by reyesmac
I can't wait to see how fast itunes is on relatively new (under a year old) mac and pc systems. I think the pc will get higher visualization fps, but overall I want to see how fast my pc is compared to my mac. Considering what Apple claims about the speed of my system compared to PC's when it came out, they should be pretty even. I hope it will do the rendezvous thing between OS's, no reason to have one computer doing all the work of playing songs when you have more than one on a network.

You know... Apple could always dumb the fps down on the visualization on the PC a tad so it doesn't outperform the G5... ;)

[pbooktebo]

I'll be on a flight cross country during the event. I'm actually bummed that I won't be able to follow this in any way (even just text updates).

Hopefully, I'll be able to fit in a call to a friend during my layover in Chicago.

God, that feels corny, desperate for update news for a product I already have for a platform I don't have (and, of course, maybe more). :p

[Awimoway]

Personally, I don't know why all of us Mac users are getting so pumped about an announcement for Windows users. But if you do live near a store with the broadcast, may I suggest that you take the chance to do a little evangelizing and bring along a Windows-using friend?

Me? I'm going to the Pasadena store just because I moved recently to SoCal and this is the first time I can watch an Apple event in-store. And yes, I'm bringing a misguided friend under the guise that the announcement is for him. Then I'll let him drool all over the wares at the store. :D

[punter]

Originally posted by Awimoway
Personally, I don't know why all of us Mac users are getting so pumped about an announcement for Windows users. But if you do live near a store with the broadcast, may I suggest that you take the chance to do a little evangelizing and bring along a Windows-using friend?

Yeah I'll be pulling in as many windows mates as I can. I'm sure they would find a web cast exciting, but more importantly I think many of them would enjoy the simplicity and functionality of itunes.

Apple is making a killing off pc ipod sales and giving the company heaps of credit. I think itms for pc will do the same thing.

I can't wait. Give me a webstream!!

[porky]

>Ok, thx Apple. I told them: "Announce it at my Birthday.", they listened :)

[Photorun]

Thanks Arn.

To add to this, when the original Mac-only iTMS was announced Apple (foolishly) embargoed that on the net EXCEPT I found it carried live on MSNBC with only one stream/media player, that being WMP... as wacky as that sounds, it did happen.

Which is where there's the rub, why the frick doesn't Apple just do these live like they were doing? Is Steve worried people won't show up? Apple again showing it's one of the most brilliant companies that doesn't get fully how hungry their Apple fan market is or snubbing it. As for on a recorded delay, who cares?! Seriously, watching something life is akin to being at a cool party, but watching it taped, especially all the specs and details are plastered across the net, is akin to being told about the party after it happened... no oomph. I wish Apple would get a clue and start doing things with LIVE web streams again.

[Jeff Harrell]

Originally posted by mrpuffypants
Why Knox Street! Why won't you play things like this!

Damn apple forcing me to drive another hour into Plano just to see Steve's face talk.

....hell, I'll just watch the stream :) Knox Street is one of the smaller stores. It doesn't have a theater. No big screen, you see.

I watched the WWDC keynote at the Plano store with about 100 other people, I'd estimate. It was standing-room-only, and I'm not a tall guy, so I had a little trouble finding a good spot. But it was worth it. There was a real energy in the crowd. It was fun to get excited with a bunch of complete strangers who get it. It was like being at a really good concert... or in church.

(Okay, folks. Sorry for the incredibly lame comment. Moving on now.)

[cgmpowers]

Glad to see Apple's finally abandoning the 'vail of secrecy' on this event...

This has to be the worse gaurded secret in Apple's Domain....heh.

I've seen the same story on CNN.com, ABCNews.Com and YahooNews (via AP) to name just a few...

Hell, I'm halfway expecting TimesCanada to post a story just saying "Apple loves Music"...and nothing else..

[djdarlek]

Ok, I just searched for 'iTunes windows' in googleland and found this link slap bang at the top..

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Has anyone else read this article? Any opinions?

:(

dave

[cgmpowers]

Misleading propaganda...

They claim Artists get only $0.11 of the $0.99 a song costs on Apple iTuness Store..

How much does the Artist get when its sold in a store like Sam Goody?? I would bet its not much more than $0.15 a song...

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

Check this out...I just found this and it really proves my point that artists don't get as much as people think from records...

Christopher

p.s. Artists make more money in concerts and promotions...many of the artists have been saying that for years!! Artists without touring don't make anything..even popular ones.

Originally posted by djdarlek
Ok, I just searched for 'iTunes windows' in googleland and found this link slap bang at the top..

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Has anyone else read this article? Any opinions?

:(

dave

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by pbooktebo
I'll be on a flight cross country during the event. I'm actually bummed that I won't be able to follow this in any way (even just text updates).

Hopefully, I'll be able to fit in a call to a friend during my layover in Chicago.

God, that feels corny, desperate for update news for a product I already have for a platform I don't have (and, of course, maybe more). :p
No worries...just fly JetBlue, and you will have live DirecTV right in front of you! At least you would have CNN or something (maybe MSNBC?). Better than nothing!

[MM2270]

Originally posted by reyesmac
... I hope it will do the rendezvous thing between OS's, no reason to have one computer doing all the work of playing songs when you have more than one on a network.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I seriously doubt the Windows iTMS will have the Rendezvous capability. For one thing, Apple can't add capabilities to the OS that aren't already there. Remember, that ability comes from Jaguar's built-in Rendezvous tech, not from iTunes. Unless Windows has this built-in too, which I don't believe it does, I don't think Windows users will get that.
Second, Apple has to have SOMETHING that compels users to go with a Mac. After all, this is mostly to spur sales of iPods and, hopefully, Macs too!

[kwtneo]

MacDailyNews will feature live coverage of Apple's Special Music Event presentation by Steve Jobs. Live updates will be available beginning Thursday, October 16th at 10:00 AM PDT / 1:00 PM EDT.


http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P1952_0_1_0

[DGFan]

Originally posted by Awimoway
Personally, I don't know why all of us Mac users are getting so pumped about an announcement for Windows users.


Two reasons:

1. Rumors are pointing to something more than just iTMS & iTunes for Windows. That could be iTunes 5. Or, and more up my alley, iPod accessories *crosses fingers for a compact flash reader*

2. I am an Apple shareholder. Anything that can bring Apple more (3. Profit!) is of interest to me.

Of course, reason #2 might not apply to everyone :D

[DGFan]

Originally posted by cgmpowers
Glad to see Apple's finally abandoning the 'vail of secrecy' on this event...


Doesn't the 'vail of secrecy' have something to do with the Kobe case?

:p

[Steamboatwillie]

Originally posted by MM2270
I hate to burst your bubble, but I seriously doubt the Windows iTMS will have the Rendezvous capability. For one thing, Apple can't add capabilities to the OS that aren't already there. Remember, that ability comes from Jaguar's built-in Rendezvous tech, not from iTunes. Unless Windows has this built-in too, which I don't believe it does, I don't think Windows users will get that.
Second, Apple has to have SOMETHING that compels users to go with a Mac. After all, this is mostly to spur sales of iPods and, hopefully, Macs too!

>POP<

There goes your bubble:
Rendezvous for Windows (http://www.swampwolf.com/products/)

Also, for more bubble popping:
Linux iTunes Server Howto (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030711140157143)

[Jeff Harrell]

Originally posted by MM2270
For one thing, Apple can't add capabilities to the OS that aren't already there. Remember, that ability comes from Jaguar's built-in Rendezvous tech, not from iTunes.
As it turns out, that's not actually the case.

Rendezvous includes two components: the application and the responder. Both have to be present. (Technically, only one needs to be there if you set up the responder as a proxy, but that's neither here nor there.)

The responder is just a program. It just sits there and listens for Rendezvous requests, then responds to them (hence the name).

On Mac OS X 10.2 and later, this service is provided not by the operating system itself, but rather by a little program that runs invisibly. That program is called mDNSResponder.

Bundling an mDNSResponder program with iTunes for Windows (or even making iTunes for Windows its own responder) wouldn't be especially difficult. I wouldn't be too surprised if Apple does it just to demonstrate how cool Rendezvous is to those "other people."

[pb1212580]

How do we know it's just iTunes for PC being announced? What about rumors of Speical Edition iPods (we never saw those earlier) and new iPod perfipherals?
Maybe they wanted to wait on the special edition iPods to have those come out with new iTunes(for both platforms) and new peri.?

hopes up!

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
Odd isnt the right word but it is ____ to me that apple is streaming the broadcast and having bands celebreate itunes for PC when a lesser deal was made for the products on their own platform. I realize the bigger market, but still. its just a little _____.

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by djdarlek
Ok, I just searched for 'iTunes windows' in googleland and found this link slap bang at the top..

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Has anyone else read this article? Any opinions?

:(

dave

Notice the hypocrisy of his/her argument. After whining about how artists are not getting their fair share, he/she also states that you can buy a used CD on Ebay, so downloading is a bad deal for the consumer. But by buying on Ebay the artists are getting nothing!!! What an idiot.

[Jeff Harrell]

From the downhillbattle skreed:

Instead of creating a system that gets virtuall all of fans' money directly to artists--finally possible with the Internet--iTunes takes a big step backwards.

Economies don't just spring up out of nothing, you know. They're created out of the culmination of lots of market forces all acting independently. Basically, economics is a lot like the theory of natural selection. If a given economic niche can be filled, it will be filled... and if a hypothetical niche isn't being filled right now, then it almost certainly can't be right now.

In other words, if a system like the one the author rants on about could actually work, somebody would either have built it or would be building it right now. That's not what's happening.

If you don't care about liner notes, you can burn the CD from a friend for 25 cents and send the musician a buck.

That's like saying it's okay to squat in an unsold house and send the architect a dollar. A CD, or even a song, isn't the work of just the artists who performed it. Some artists write their own songs; many don't. So in many cases there's the artist and the songwriter. Then there's sound engineer who physically recorded the music. Then there's the producer who mixed it. Then the guy who holds the mortgage on the studio where it was recorded. Then there's the bank that owns the title to the studio that the studio owner mortgaged.

It's not as simple as "artist, consumer." It's far more complex than that. If you send the artist a buck, you're not paying for the work on the other people who went into making the recording. Just like if you pay the architect, you're not paying the builder or the contractors or the lumber yard or the logging company.

Copying a friend's CD and sending the artist a buck is still stealing, dude. You're just stealing from people you don't know. So that's okay. Right?

The majority of those people (the sensible ones) choose peer to peer filesharing programs like Kazaa or Acquisition to get their mp3s. Downloads are fast, there's a bigger selection, and peer to peer sharing doesn't prop up the music industry. Plus it's free.

Now we finally get right down to the meat of this guy's argument: yes, downloading music is stealing, but that's okay, because it's stealing from the music industry. And we don't like the music industry.

Sorry, but I just refuse to accept that reasonable people hold this view. Stealing is wrong no matter who you're stealing from. If we were talking about stealing food, then we'd have an argument. If we were talking about African countries buying AIDS drugs on the black market, then we'd have an argument. But we're talking about popular music, for crying out loud. There is no moral system that could possibly justify stealing something you don't need just because you don't want to pay for it. That's just wrong, period, full stop.

It's all summed up in this last quote:

Thanks to peer to peer filesharing, we finally have a chance to break the major record label system-- but every iTunes user who pays 90 cents on the dollar to middlemen props up the old regime and delays the day when corporations finally lose their stranglehold on music. Now that's something to feel guilty about.

Jesus, that's just nuts. I mean seriously nuts. Dude, the way to show that you're opposed to the record label system is not to steal music! That's just monstrous.

Reading this rant made me sick to my stomach. If there's anything I regret about the emergence of the Internet, it's that sociopaths like this now have an outlet to spread their diseased ideas. It's the Fallacy of Democracy writ large: a slick web page (with a stolen look-and-feel, but that's neither here nor there) makes truly monstrous ideas seem somehow less insane. In the good old days, this guy would have been standing on a street corner, wild-eyed and screaming. Ordinary people would have just walked by in a hurry without making eye contact and not given him a second thought beyond, "Oh, that poor man. What a shame."

[coolsoldier]

If everybody here who has a website/blog/whatever else put a link to the real iTunes (http://www.apple.com/itunes/) it should bump Apple's iTunes site up in the Google rankings :cool:

I'd hate for people to type "iTunes for Windows" in google and click "I'm feeling lucky" and get that filth...

[Jeff Harrell]

Originally posted by coolsoldier
If everybody here who has a website/blog/whatever else put a link to the real iTunes (http://www.apple.com/itunes/) it should bump Apple's iTunes site up in the Google rankingsI've done my part (http://homepage.mac.com/jharrell).

[littlemacdude]

I don't think it would be a good idea to release i Tunes for Windows. Cause it was one of the first "i" apps and ithink the first 5 i apps should be for Apple users only.

[KCK]

Originally posted by Java
I find it interesting that out of four possible stores in the San Francisco bay area, only one is carrying the feed. And my luck, it is the furthest from my house. Oh well. At least one of them is broadcasting.

I am excited to see what they announce.

Don't you mean 5 possible stores. Palo Alto, Santa Clara, Burlingame, Emerville and Walnut Creek. you can see the broadcast in both Santa Clara and Palo Alto.

[Jeff Harrell]

Originally posted by KCK
You can see the broadcast in both Santa Clara and Palo Alto. Though not at the same time, of course.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by littlemacdude
I don't think it would be a good idea to release i Tunes for Windows. Cause it was one of the first "i" apps and ithink the first 5 i apps should be for Apple users only.

you're going to need a better argument than that. why should the first 5 iapps be mac only? explain...:)

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by reedm007
You know... Apple could always dumb the fps down on the visualization on the PC a tad so it doesn't outperform the G5... ;)

They won't have to cripple it on Windows :D

Originally posted by djdarlek
Ok, I just searched for 'iTunes windows' in googleland and found this link slap bang at the top..

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

Has anyone else read this article? Any opinions?

:(

dave

The problem with freedom of expression is that we have to listen to idiots like that. Of course, it's well worth it.

Originally posted by DGFan
Two reasons:

1. Rumors are pointing to something more than just iTMS & iTunes for Windows. That could be iTunes 5. Or, and more up my alley, iPod accessories *crosses fingers for a compact flash reader*

2. I am an Apple shareholder. Anything that can bring Apple more (3. Profit!) is of interest to me.

Of course, reason #2 might not apply to everyone :D

We all want Apple to do well :)

[DarkPhoenixCA]

Originally posted by KCK
Don't you mean 5 possible stores. Palo Alto, Santa Clara, Burlingame, Emerville and Walnut Creek. you can see the broadcast in both Santa Clara and Palo Alto.

Actually they'll have it at 3 Bay Area stores - Santa Clara, Palo Alto, & Walnut Creek.

Can't wait for the San Francisco store...I go by it every day on my way to work.

[pjtro2]

Originally posted by Jeff Harrell
From the downhillbattle skreed:

In the good old days, this guy would have been standing on a street corner, wild-eyed and screaming. Ordinary people would have just walked by in a hurry without making eye contact and not given him a second thought beyond, "Oh, that poor man. What a shame."

Jeff, I havent laughed so hard in a long while...
And you're right, his argument is completely invalidated by his insane accusations...

----------------------------------------------
"What ever happened to just plain crazy" - Chris Rock.

[mxpiazza]

Originally posted by littlemacdude
I don't think it would be a good idea to release i Tunes for Windows. Cause it was one of the first "i" apps and ithink the first 5 i apps should be for Apple users only.
you need to lure users in... give them a reason to want to use an apple. making EVERYTHING mac-only dosen't really do that, now does it?