Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) Shipping

[MacRumors]

Readers have started receiving shipping notices for Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther).

Mac OS X 10.3 retail boxes are shipping from Apple's Online Store and should start arriving to end-users earlier than then the official October 24th Release Event.

Distribution channels also started shipping Panther to Apple Stores and Resellers starting on Monday to provide stock for the Friday release. Apple's Night of the Panther (http://www.apple.com/retail/panther/) release party takes place at 8 p.m. at local Apple Stores and certain resellers.

Reports hint that Apple is going "all out" for the Panther Apple Store events.

[arvidvdb]

hip hip huray!

[valypan]

Sounds great! Anybody in Europe who has received a shipping notice?? Still waiting here

[Phazer80s]

This is what (a lot of us) have been waiting for for quite a while. Apple's quoted shipping date "before the end of the year" has come. I'm sure glad it wasn't December 24 or something like that. :rolleyes: :p

The font management and the reputed faster UI are worth the upgrade alone.

Enough grief over what didn't happen; Panther's almost here. Hats 'n' horns all around!!!!

[alset]

Today just keeps getting better. If I'm not careful, I might O.D. on positivity.

Dan

[Oirectine]

Let the 10.4 rumors begin! I'll start. A very trustworthy source has told me 10.4 is code-named "Garfield."

[samatheson]

No shipping notice for me yet, and I ordered ~30 minutes after it was announced. :(

I did check my online status though, and it seems my shipping was changed to 2-day... though I paid for overnight.

I also got the educational discount, perhaps that has something to do with it?

eirp.

I attached a some screenshots I took of the email and online order page, put together in photoshop, so bored cause it's so late.

[MasterMac]

It hasen't been shipped for me either :( hopefully that will change when I wake up in about 6 hours ;)

[greenstork]

Okay, I have to ask, and forgive my ignorance, but is Panther going to have to be a clean install as was recommended for Jaguar? For some reason, it was important to wipe the drive clean before installing Jaguar but I can't remember exactly why.

Even if it isn't necessary, could someone give some insight into possible advantages/disadvantages of performing a clean install as opposed to an upgrade.

I'd rather keep my application settings if this is possible. I don't mind rebuilding the Dock, Desktop, etc. but it would be a pain to re-enter information for Mail, Dreamweaver, Safari bookmarks etc. Any info appreciated, thanks.

[woodsey]

whats with road shipping?

I didnt get a choice of shipping type...

maybe cos im in Australia

[Ajohn]

Do any of the Powerbook owners whose registrations slipped in and got the free UtD received shipping notices?

[sethypoo]

I'll be at an Apple Store on Friday by 9. Here's hoping they aren't sold out and are still giving student discounts!

So now what? What's the next hot rumor to abound on this wonderful site? I say we go over PowerBook G5's.....12 inch G5 anyone?

Oh, does anyone know if I will be able to play DVD+R's after I install Panther? It talks about DVD+R's on the Apple website (Panther preview), but I'm still unclear on whether or not my actual drive will support reading DVD+R. Help would be appreciated! :)

[mvora]

Sethypoo,

A few words of warning. I called the Apple Store the day Jaguar was released, and they told me I could buy the .edu Jaguar. I waited in line, picked up a copy, and said I wanted the educational discount.

That is where my purchase came to a screeching halt. I talked to the manager of the store, and apparently, you can buy discounted educational hardware, but not software.

With hardware, the product is all the same, regardless of discounts. However, with software the .edu version of OS X is a separate product, in a separate sales channel.

So unless things have changed in the last year, buy it online and save yourself a trip...

[trianglejuice]

Originally posted by greenstork
Okay, I have to ask, and forgive my ignorance, but is Panther going to have to be a clean install as was recommended for Jaguar? For some reason, it was important to wipe the drive clean before installing Jaguar but I can't remember exactly why.

No clean install is necessary.

Even if it isn't necessary, could someone give some insight into possible advantages/disadvantages of performing a clean install as opposed to an upgrade.

You can get rid of all the small problems (and useless files, like preferences from apps you got rid of), caused by Jaguar of earlier OS's.

I'd rather keep my application settings if this is possible. I don't mind rebuilding the Dock, Desktop, etc. but it would be a pain to re-enter information for Mail, Dreamweaver, Safari bookmarks etc. Any info appreciated, thanks.

Burn your Preferences folder (located in: ~/users/yourusername/Library/) on a cd. Then perform a clean install. When Panther is installed, replace the newly made Preferences folder with the one you burned on cd.

[woodsey]

Originally posted by mvora
Sethypoo,

A few words of warning. I called the Apple Store the day Jaguar was released, and they told me I could buy the .edu Jaguar. I waited in line, picked up a copy, and said I wanted the educational discount.

That is where my purchase came to a screeching halt. I talked to the manager of the store, and apparently, you can buy discounted educational hardware, but not software.

With hardware, the product is all the same, regardless of discounts. However, with software the .edu version of OS X is a separate product, in a separate sales channel.

So unless things have changed in the last year, buy it online and save yourself a trip...

thats strange. i think there would be a lot of students (like myself) who dont have a credit card and therefore would not be able to purchase it online.

I used my mums credit card, but I have friends whos parents dont let them use their credit card. How would these people purchase software at the edu price?

[mvora]

I think its lame they have this policy, but I understand (to some extent) why they do it. I guess a parallel would be Microsoft Office. The product (at least for the Mac) is identical for .edu versions vs. standard edition, however you have to buy the .edu version, you can't get a discount on the regular one.

As for ways to buy without a credit card, I know my school's computer store is going to be selling Panther on Monday. Also, the online Apple Store takes money orders, cashiers checks, and wire transfers. Besides, most students don't have an Apple Store within close proximity.

Of course, this didn't stop me from being pissed off when I found out I drove from Santa Cruz to San Jose and waited in line... for nothing.

[Bengt77]

Originally posted by MasterMac
It hasen't been shipped for me either :( hopefully that will change when I wake up in about 6 hours ;)

So, are you or is your Mac still asleep? Or both, which would be most intriguing...

:p

[cheesy]

I'm guessing the people who's orders are already shipping live in the middle of nowhere. You shouldn't worry if yours hasn't shipped because it will probably simply take less time to get there. They have to stagger the shipment dates so that they all arrive on the 24th.

[reedm007]

Originally posted by woodsey
I used my mums credit card, but I have friends whos parents dont let them use their credit card. How would these people purchase software at the edu price?

Here in the US, students/faculty can but it either:

1. At their on-campus Apple Reseller (most colleges have one)

2. Apple Store online using check, money order, wire, or credit card.

I can't say for sure that those options are the same in Australia, but it's certainly doable without a credit card here. The Apple Stores don't sell edu software since it has a different SKU and needs to go through edu retail channels (ie, resellers) for edu reps to properly get credited, from what i understand.

[mum]

Originally posted by valypan
Sounds great! Anybody in Europe who has received a shipping notice?? Still waiting here

Mine shipped today! WOOOOO

[AmigoMac]

Great for you ... mum? :D

mum tell us where in Europe you are...

Germany is waiting the black kitty as well

[Joep]

My copy was shipped today with TNT Express from Ireland... Guess that's where all european copies are coming from.. :rolleyes:

Ship via: TNT EXPRESS (IRELAND) LIMITED

[stoid]

Originally posted by cheesy
I'm guessing the people who's orders are already shipping live in the middle of nowhere. You shouldn't worry if yours hasn't shipped because it will probably simply take less time to get there. They have to stagger the shipment dates so that they all arrive on the 24th.

Unlikely, I live about as close to the middle of nowhere on a college campus as possible. There is a lot of nowhere up here in Northwest Missouri, and mine has yet to ship. Ordered on the 10th if that makes a difference...

[inkswamp]

Originally posted by trianglejuice
Burn your Preferences folder (located in: ~/users/yourusername/Library/) on a cd. Then perform a clean install. When Panther is installed, replace the newly made Preferences folder with the one you burned on cd.

I would highly recommend only replacing preference files as needed on a very selective basis. One of the rationales behind a major version number change in any software is that the basic file formats for the software may change (and typically they do.) I don't think you want to dump Jaguar preferences into Panther as the format for the OS-related preference files may be different. Presumably, Panther will be smart enough to know how to deal with old pref files upon startup, but IMO, you'd be better off trying to live without the old preferences and just taking the few minutes to reset everything in your control panels and the Finder preferences and whatnot.

[Swift]

I'm hired to do a demo/sales event at the local Fry's Electronics at the launch. Really good thing? Yes. Best? We get a free copy of Panther on Wednesday!

[mum]

Originally posted by AmigoMac
mum tell us where in Europe you are...

In Finland

[jouster]

Originally posted by cheesy
I'm guessing the people who's orders are already shipping live in the middle of nowhere. You shouldn't worry if yours hasn't shipped because it will probably simply take less time to get there. They have to stagger the shipment dates so that they all arrive on the 24th.

I don't think it's this organised: I live ~40 mins from one store (Westfarms) and I got Jag the day before its official release. I didn't order it particularly early either.

[zac4mac]

Just got my DPG5 yesterday. Ordered thru Up-to-Date last nite. Bring on the big cat. I can't imagine this box being faster...

[DeusOmnis]

i just cant wait for jag.. *sigh*... *drooling*....

[buccaneer]

Originally posted by mvora
Sethypoo,

A few words of warning. I called the Apple Store the day Jaguar was released, and they told me I could buy the .edu Jaguar. I waited in line, picked up a copy, and said I wanted the educational discount.

That is where my purchase came to a screeching halt. I talked to the manager of the store, and apparently, you can buy discounted educational hardware, but not software.

With hardware, the product is all the same, regardless of discounts. However, with software the .edu version of OS X is a separate product, in a separate sales channel.

So unless things have changed in the last year, buy it online and save yourself a trip...

I've purchased both hardware and software on the education discount at the Apple Store here. They just made a copy of the teacher's ID and driver's license, filled out a form and done deal. That was over this past summer.

So either it has changed, or one of the two stores screwed up.

Best bet, call ahead and check before you make the trip (I ordered mine on the web this time, just because I had other things to do that night and still want it when I get home).

[serpicolugnut]

All throughout the beta seeds, I performed an "Archive and Install" with the "Preserve Users" option checked. This way, it installs a new System, archives the old one, and keeps your user folder in tact. You won't get the "cleanness" you would if you erased the HD and did a clean install, but it's much better than doing an upgrade, which in my experience, always leads to problems.

And I can second the info that trying to buy Panther with your education discount at the Apple retail Stores isn't going to happen. You can only use the discount on hardware, not software at the Retail stores. Either find a Authorized Campus reseller, or buy it online.

[jocknerd]

I'll have Panther this Friday and nothing to install it on. AHHHHHHH! I won't get my iBook back before next week. Anyone got a G5 they can loan me?

[psxndc]

Which Apple store will the MA people be at on Friday night? I want to know so I can go to the other one (and thus raise my chances of winning a prize :D )

-p

[Eslyjah]

The following is an email I got from someone who works at Apple in response to someone else's query. (I am on the Mac users' mailing list at UVA).

With your educational institution photo ID and driver's license you can
get education-channel pricing at the retail stores.

On Oct 15, 2003, at 8:39 PM, Matt Zollinhofer wrote:

> Subject says it all, but....
> I was just wondering if the educational price will be available for in
> Short Pump for the release party, or if I should just order it off
> apple.com?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>


--
Aaron Davis
Sr. System Engineer
Apple Computer, Inc.
Higher Education DC/MD/VA
adavis@apple.com
(301) 529-3592

[alia]

Originally posted by buccaneer
I've purchased both hardware and software on the education discount at the Apple Store here. They just made a copy of the teacher's ID and driver's license, filled out a form and done deal. That was over this past summer.

So either it has changed, or one of the two stores screwed up.

Best bet, call ahead and check before you make the trip (I ordered mine on the web this time, just because I had other things to do that night and still want it when I get home).

I think it has changed actually... I remember them specifically telling a teacher in the Apple Store last year that she could get her ibook there, but that her Office and reduced Keynote had to come from the online store.

But then, less than a month ago, my mom was desperate and went there, ready to pay full price, and they just photocopied her faculty ID and gave her the software for the EDU price.

They've either changed the rules, or they are inconsistant in how they enforce them.

Both of these examples were from the same Apple Store.


Alia

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by valypan
Sounds great! Anybody in Europe who has received a shipping notice?? Still waiting here Mine hasn't gone yet...I'm in the UK.

[magikminotaur]

Geeze, you guys are like kids in a candy store....this is computer software isn't it? LOL, I am the cautious type, I will wait till everyone finds all the bugs, then in a month or so get a copy. I need not be the first on the block with new software. New hardware is another point all together, but overall let everyone else find all the problems first, then you can join the party.

:D

[AmigoMac]

Originally posted by mum
In Finland

Great man! I'm happy for you... who'll be the first one in Germany?

still waiting ship confirmation ...

:(

[jfruh]

Mine still hasn't shipped yet -- darn you MacRumors for getting me so excited this early in the morning! Now I'll have to check my order status every few hours, instead of daily like before ....

jf

[Abstract]

I'm Canadian, and mine hasn't shipped yet.

Getting Panther on time is one of very few benefits of being American. Drat!! :(

*goes and hides in his igloo*

[martijnvandijk]

...when have you placed your order? So I know what to expect

[tripswitch]

I'm in the UK, ordered my copy of the cat from PC World (sorry!) last Friday, shipping today, with me tomorrow. Howzat !

[HashPipeK]

I ordered on oct 9th from the apple.com eudcational store. i picked free ground shipping but seem to have been upgraded to two day. No shipping notice yet. Hopefully soon, usually takes stuff a while to get to lowly plateville WI

[Chomolungma]

Originally posted by serpicolugnut
All throughout the beta seeds, I performed an "Archive and Install" with the "Preserve Users" option checked. This way, it installs a new System, archives the old one, and keeps your user folder in tact. You won't get the "cleanness" you would if you erased the HD and did a clean install, but it's much better than doing an upgrade, which in my experience, always leads to problems.


I don't mean to second guess Serpicolugnut, but can confirm this installation route to be save? I have no way of backing up data to do a clean installation.

Chomo

[Omek]

It's coming....HEHEHEHEHEHE AHAHAHAHAHAHA! My pre-order could be here before FRIDAY!!!! That's freakin' awesome!

[a_kim]

Originally posted by Ajohn
Do any of the Powerbook owners whose registrations slipped in and got the free UtD received shipping notices?

I got a notification yesterday that my UtD order was on hold due to a problem with my credit card. I know this is not really the case since the same credit card also has three orders of edu-discounted Panther on it, and I haven't received any notification about that. I am supposed to call Apple today to find out what's going on, but I'm guessing they're onto the fact that I didn't purchase my powerbook after Oct. 8 (though my serial number was accepted on the UtD purchase page).

I'll post again in a few hours, after I've talked with Apple.

-Alex

[nalfein]

I bought panther 20$ (powerbook upgrade) first when i ordered, they told me it will charge me the shipping wich they does first but today i check my order and they remove shipping charges and upgrade my shipping with 2 days shipping.

Friday is the day !!!!!!!!!

[GrannySmith_G5]

I ordered mine the day it was announced. it is still in "open" status. est. ship on or before 10/24. Is that an estimated departure or arrival?

[KBFinFan]

I ordered an up-to-date version with my Powerbook... and although not recieving a shipping notification yet.. my shipping has been upgraded to 2-day.

Maybe most orders will be sent tomorrow?

[samatheson]

Originally posted by samatheson
No shipping notice for me yet, and I ordered ~30 minutes after it was announced. :(

I did check my online status though, and it seems my shipping was changed to 2-day... though I paid for overnight.

I also got the educational discount, perhaps that has something to do with it?

...

Well I called apple this morning. Apparently they don't know why my shipping was changed to 2 day, and they changed it back for me over the phone. Couldn't tell me when it would ship though. Oh, and for those of you wondering, I ordered through the educational online store.

Blah.

Just checked the status again, now it says "Standard Overnite", although still not shipping.

[primalman]

Originally posted by stoid
Unlikely, I live about as close to the middle of nowhere on a college campus as possible. There is a lot of nowhere up here in Northwest Missouri, and mine has yet to ship. Ordered on the 10th if that makes a difference...

HA! Maryville!

[idkew]

Originally posted by woodsey
whats with road shipping?

I didnt get a choice of shipping type...

maybe cos im in Australia

It means they are going to drive from Cupertino to Oz. Duh!

[Tim Flynn]

Originally posted by Oirectine
Let the 10.4 rumors begin! I'll start. A very trustworthy source has told me 10.4 is code-named "Garfield."

and it ships with iRecipe. Lasagna included for free :D

[JJTiger1]

The manager of my local Apple Store says that he will closing the store on Friday at 7:30 pm.

He will be opening the doors at 8:00 pm.

He says that he will have plenty of copies of Panther, so that I did not have to pre-order and reserve my copy.
=-=
You-all do not need to put your names in the hat for the giveaway computer.

I am winning that computer. :D
=-=
JJ

[KLFloyd]

Originally posted by Oirectine
Let the 10.4 rumors begin! I'll start. A very trustworthy source has told me 10.4 is code-named "Garfield."

Call and have the overnight shipping charge taken off. Regardless of what kind of shipping you purchased, everyone who ordered in time is going to receive Panther on or before 10/24.

I too noticed that my order status has recently changed to reflect 2nd day shipping even though i only got the standard free service. I also ordered through my edu discount.

Unfortunately though, no shipping notice yet. I ordered just a few hours after the announcement as soon as I got home from work.

[iEric]

Has anyone from Canada received these notices??

[InsiderTravels]

Originally posted by Ajohn
Do any of the Powerbook owners whose registrations slipped in and got the free UtD received shipping notices?

Nope, not me. My new 17" PB made it through for a 19.95 upgrade. But my order status still says "on or before 10/24."

I placed my upgrade order on 10/9, immediately after I read on this site that my serial number might qualify for the fulfillment pricing. I've had my new powerbook for about three weeks now.

Perhaps our Panther orders will be the last to go out. Makes sense I guess, since we've paid the least for it.

[psxndc]

According to a sales person at the Apple store in the Chestnut Hill Mall, .edu discounts do not apply to Panther in-store. It has to be bought online. Its just as well for me. My iBook decided to forget it had a CD drive around 10.2.8 and I haven't had a chance to get it fixed because I use it constantly for school. :(

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by Oirectine
Let the 10.4 rumors begin! I'll start. A very trustworthy source has told me 10.4 is code-named "Garfield."

Naaa its code name is "Hobs"

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Joep
My copy was shipped today with TNT Express from Ireland... Guess that's where all european copies are coming from.. :rolleyes:

Ship via: TNT EXPRESS (IRELAND) LIMITED Figures Ireland would having a shipping company with TNT in the title. :p

[J@ffa]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
Mine hasn't gone yet...I'm in the UK.

Same here. :(

[localman]

Originally posted by greenstork
Okay, I have to ask, and forgive my ignorance, but is Panther going to have to be a clean install as was recommended for Jaguar?

I don't know the official word, but I installed Panther over Jaguar with the "Archive and Install" option, and it works like a charm. I would give that a try first...

[ImAlwaysRight]

Originally posted by KBFinFan
I ordered an up-to-date version with my Powerbook... and although not recieving a shipping notification yet.. my shipping has been upgraded to 2-dayYup, I have also been upgraded to 2-day shipping.

Originally posted by JJTiger1
You-all do not need to put your names in the hat for the giveaway computer.

I am winning that computer. :D
=-=
JJ Is the giveaway one iMac G4 for ALL Apple Stores across the country, or one for each store? One for each store would be cool -- one for the whole country -- well, I might as well go waste my time and buy a lottery ticket!

[Chupa Chupa]

My Panther UTD order (15" PB) was upgraded to "2nd day" from ground. I'm guessing it will ship out tomorrow and arrive Friday afternoon.

I think Apple wants to make as big an impact with Panther as possible and this means getting out the UTD orders for the G5 ASAP.

Once you qualify I'm pretty sure the Apple fulfilment center doesn't care what system you qualified with as that would only create more work for them and make fulfilment more expensive. So, look for tomorrow to big the big ship day for everyone who requested regular ground shipping. BTW Apple did the same thing with Jaguar if you recall.

[Elan0204]

Originally posted by psxndc
According to a sales person at the Apple store in the Chestnut Hill Mall, .edu discounts do not apply to Panther in-store. It has to be bought online. Its just as well for me. My iBook decided to forget it had a CD drive around 10.2.8 and I haven't had a chance to get it fixed because I use it constantly for school. :(

I called both the Chicago North Michigan Avenue store and the Schaumburg store, and they both said that they could not offer the educational pricing. They told me to order online, but reminded me to still come to the Apple store for the festivities.

[InsiderTravels]

Yeah, mine now says "2-day" as well, but I haven't been charged for any shipping, let alone the shipping upgrade.

Before, I only meant that I could understand why the full retail boxed versions had started shipping but our UTDs had not. To me, it makes perfect sense.

Hopefully, everyone's suspicions are correct and the UTDs will ship by tomorrow. I'm anxious to see how many hacks I can discard once Panther's installed. I'd prefer to be able to run the OS without any third-party modifications.

[whatever]

Just placed my order about 45 minutes ago and I just got a notice saying that it shipped.

Whatever, I'm not complaining. No big deal either way. It's not like I'm a nerd who will be complaining if it came on Monday.

To quote William Shatner "Get a life!"

[jamesatzones]

I ordered my copy right after the anouncement through the Up to date program for my G5, but have yet to get any word of shipping status.

Oh I can't wait for Panther

[wdlove]

Originally posted by psxndc
According to a sales person at the Apple store in the Chestnut Hill Mall, .edu discounts do not apply to Panther in-store. It has to be bought online. Its just as well for me. My iBook decided to forget it had a CD drive around 10.2.8 and I haven't had a chance to get it fixed because I use it constantly for school. :(

That is disappointing news. I plan to be there Friday night. Are you planning to attend? It would be nice to meet a fellow member on the forum.

[AmigoMac]

It's really insane how since everyone is talking about shipments I've been at least 3 times/hour checking my order...

Nothing ...


...and when Mail checks my box I have to do a recall just to be sure that there is really nothing coming...

:D

[jouster]

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
i just cant wait for jag.. *sigh*... *drooling*....

You don't have to. It has been out for a year.

[pianojoe]

Could someone, please, for the benefit of our non-"English as a first language" people on this board, explain what "all out" means?

Thank you very much.

[Lord Bodak]

I see people suggesting doing an "Archive & Install". This is my first OS X upgrade so I could use a little more info :)

The impression I got is that this archives the old system; what exactly does that mean? How would I go back if I needed to? If I had no problems, how would I dump the archive to free up the space?

[mum]

Originally posted by martijnvandijk
...when have you placed your order? So I know what to expect

I ordered on 13th Oct.

[TheWitePony]

just checked my online status, I had selected overnight when i ordered panther and it said 2 day on the status page. gave a call to apple and they fixed it, sounds like mine wasn't the only one that got mixed up.

[macMaestro]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Naaa its code name is "Hobs"

I second that. Who cares about Garfield? Everybody loves Hobbes! :D

[the_mole1314]

I'll be at the Short Pump Town Center Apple Store for the kick-off! Lood for me with my original iBook and new 20g iPod!!! :D

Also, I can confirm that the Apple Stores will close at 7:30pm for the party set up along with formating ALL of their Macs to 10.3 and displaying all sorts of cool Panther stuff around. There will also be a free give-away for the first few people along with being able to win a Mac!

[pb1212580]

Anyone going to the event held at Keystone in Indianapolis???
I sure can use a ride!!! Of all how many 1000s of students, there must be someone going or wanting to go, right?!

Anyone want to share a ride? rent a car?

I think we should have a separate thread for this!

3 days!

no shipment notice for me yet. ordered a few days after Oct. 8. says on or before 10/24. 2 day shipment.

[notjustjay]

Originally posted by pianojoe
Could someone, please, for the benefit of our non-"English as a first language" people on this board, explain what "all out" means?

Thank you very much.

To "go all out" means to spare no expense, to be extravagant, to everything you possibly can.

[q1232]

Originally posted by pianojoe
Could someone, please, for the benefit of our non-"English as a first language" people on this board, explain what "all out" means?

Thank you very much.


go all out
v : perform as well as possible [syn: give one's best, do
one's best]

or in other words "pulling out all the stops"

[GeVolution]

I am delaying my purchase of a G5 in order to get Panther pre-installed as I'd rather not go through the upgrade process.

From past experience, would somebody when Panther loaded Macs will be available?

Thanks!

[MattG]

Originally posted by Ajohn
Do any of the Powerbook owners whose registrations slipped in and got the free UtD received shipping notices? Nope, not yet, however my ground shipping was bumped up to 2-day for free!!

[sanford]

No shipping notice yet, but I'm scheduled for 2 day shipping on an Up-to-Date plan order. They wouldn't have to ship until tomorrow to hit the 2-day shipping window.

But, Apple *did* hit my credit card again for the amount of sale, something online store rep said wouldn't happen again until they were preparing to ship.

[Thunder]

We are a London Authorised Reseller and today received 5 pre-ordered copies fwiw..

[markiv810]

Me also got 2 day shipping, thanls Apple.

[lucab1982]

My brothers ordered 2 12"/1GHz/AP/COMBO on the 18th September the inefficient apple store UK didnt deliver them till a month later.:mad:

However they qualified for the Up to Date program in the UK. :)

Still nasty having to pay £30 more when we have just shelled out around £3000 worth of equipment. :mad:

I think Apple should take better care of their customers than that, especially seen as they didnt even recognise my payment for 2 weeks!

[plastree]

Blah, quit whining. You bought what you bought. Why should Apple give you a copy of Panther? You got your system with Jaguar, which works just fine by the way, before Panther's release. Apple's giving you a $100 discount... is that really not enough?

[reyesmac]

FedEX delivers until 8pm to homes on weekdays, so sometime friday or before everyone here in the states should have their copy of Panther.

Didn't bother to see if anyone said this before.

[shecky]

i ordered Panther on the 11th, and suddenly my overnight shipping that I paid for was changed to 2 day. so i called Apple and the girl says "well i can just credit you the shipping since you aren't supposed to get it till Friday anyway" as if to imply that i should take the free shipping, its going out today or tomorrow, and i will have friday even by the slowest method. i declined and told her that i wanted overnight so i could have it early. to which she said "you won't have it till Friday" to which I said "you are aware of a ton of people getting notices that it shipped today, right?" to which she said "OK sir." and that was that.

[Genie]

If it comes Friday should I Install right away on my G5 or wait?

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)

[gregorypierce]

No ship notice yet but I did notice that they upgraded me from 'ground' shipping to 2 day so I guess I'll get it on Friday along with everyone else....

WOOT :)

[eric_n_dfw]

Just talked to someone at the Willow bend Apple Store in North Dallas, TX. No .edu pricing on software (except MS Office which comes in a special box that they do carry).

On another note - I got a $20 Apple Store e-coupon from Apple for renewing my .Mac subscription. Can't use it at the physical Apple Store's - just online or via the 800 number. I tried using it on the Apple Store for Education and got an "Claim Code is not valid" error.

I sent an email off asking about it, but I'm gonna be po'ed if I cannot use it with Edu' discount. I mean, what's the point of it for students then? (That $20 coupon was one of the clincher's in my decision to stay with my .Mac account)

[mrsebastian]

i haven't received a shipment confirmation, but credit card was billed. checked the online order status thingy and all it says is: est. ship on or before 10-24-03. it'd sure be nice to get it for the weekend.

[reyesmac]

Originally posted by Genie
If it comes Friday should I Install right away on my G5 or wait?

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)

As long as you save all your important files and preferences first. If you have already done that you should have no problems with reformatting your disk and installing it from scratch. If you want to update your existing copy of Jaguar, make sure you disable andy hacks or applications that modify the system. You might not really need to do all this, but in the event of problems, you will be glad you did. I updated a fresh copy of jaguar and it is running faster than it ever has on this old B&W.

By the way, if you use your Mac primarily as a business computer, you should wait a few days just to be sure there isn't some bug everyone will be reporting over the weekend.

[Giaguara]

See, I got already my retail box of Panther. Here with my iPod .. I haven't tried to install it yet though. :D

[greenplasticcup]

Har Har Har....
I live in the small town of Haines, Alaska. No shipping notice yet. Dont tell me that Missouri is out in the sticks. I have to take a 4.5 hour ferry ride just to get to a city that has an airport.


Originally posted by cheesy
I'm guessing the people who's orders are already shipping live in the middle of nowhere. You shouldn't worry if yours hasn't shipped because it will probably simply take less time to get there. They have to stagger the shipment dates so that they all arrive on the 24th.

---
Unlikely, I live about as close to the middle of nowhere on a college campus as possible. There is a lot of nowhere up here in Northwest Missouri, and mine has yet to ship. Ordered on the 10th if that makes a difference...

[gregorypierce]

Originally posted by plastree
Blah, quit whining. You bought what you bought. Why should Apple give you a copy of Panther? You got your system with Jaguar, which works just fine by the way, before Panther's release. Apple's giving you a $100 discount... is that really not enough?

Well as a new PB owner I too think that it would be nice if you got "Up-To-Dated" by walking your new PB back to the store your purchased it from and got 10.3 for free. But that's just the way of things. If ever Longhorn ships :D I'm sure there will be WIndows users saying the same thing...

At least its apparently shipping for free :)

[Alex Bischoff]

Any word on how soon PowerBooks will be available with Panther preloaded?

[Giaguara]

from apple, you'll get it from friday afternoon ... from 3rd party, it'll take a few weeks (to sell the older ones and get the new ones with) to have 10.3

[lucab1982]

Well when you have paid around $5000 worth of equipment and it takes exactly one month to deliver due to the reason that they couldn't seem to see the payment and only realise they had it till i reminded them im sure that you would get annoyed.

Never doing a bank transfer again.

although, im glad that the up-to-date program worked.

Looking forward to Panther


:D

[gregorypierce]

Originally posted by reyesmac
As long as you save all your important files and preferences first. If you have already done that you should have no problems with reformatting your disk and installing it from scratch. If you want to update your existing copy of Jaguar, make sure you disable andy hacks or applications that modify the system. You might not really need to do all this, but in the event of problems, you will be glad you did. I updated a fresh copy of jaguar and it is running faster than it ever has on this old B&W.

By the way, if you use your Mac primarily as a business computer, you should wait a few days just to be sure there isn't some bug everyone will be reporting over the weekend.


When you clean install it, it also takes a fraction of the time to install... and I do mean fraction. You are better served to just copy off your important files, clean install, and bring those files back to the machine.

[akitzmil]

Originally posted by Elan0204
I called both the Chicago North Michigan Avenue store and the Schaumburg store, and they both said that they could not offer the educational pricing. They told me to order online, but reminded me to still come to the Apple store for the festivities.

Are there going to be t-shirts? If not I'm not going to stand in that long line at schaumburg. I'll just place my order on line.

[sugarprobe]

Just checked my order and says open and I have been bumped up to 2 day shipping at no extra charge. :D Bad thing is I'll be outta town when it gets here.

[rishio]

I'm just wondering - to do a clean install do you just have to pop in the CD and select an option for clean install? Or Are you supposed to format the hard disk before you install the program? If so - how would you go about formatting the hard disk?

In addition, before you format your hard disk, do you have to deauthorize your itunes music and then authorize it again after the clean panther install?

[briansanderson]

Oh ya doing a clean install here. Will be picking a copy up at the Keystone Store, IN I simply cannot wait!

[nslyax]

I ordered October 8th, around 6 pm through edu online store. I too have been bumped to 2 day, but no shipping notices yet. I am just hoping that it somehow arrives by 6, so I can install in the car during the 2 hour drive to my nearest Apple Store. I don't want to miss the party, right? Would be cool to show up at the store with Panther already installed!

[daveyt]

Just checked my order status: Open. I didn't bother with the expedited shipping 'cuz even with the slow way, delivery was oct 24/pm. Luckily I have an free day on Friday. Told the GF that I'm busy...
I ordered through the Canadian edu online store last Saturday. Nice price. My campus computer store told me they wouldn't have it in on Friday, and probably wouldn't get Panther for 8 or 10 days. wtf?
When Jaguar was intro'd my local Apple retailer had a REAL Jaguar (nice kitty) in the store, I wonder what they'll do this time? I have a black cat that looks like a miniature Panther...maybe I'll take her into the store...

[psxndc]

Originally posted by wdlove
I plan to be there Friday night. Are you planning to attend? It would be nice to meet a fellow member on the forum.

Uhh... no. I'll be at... Cambridgeside. You should come to Cambridgeside to meet me (and leave all the winnable goodies at Chestnut Hill for me!)

But seriously, I should be Chestnut Hill, albeit a little late (I have class in Boston until 8:40). If I come from class, look for the guy in the dress shirt and tie (since I go to class from work). RL name is Patrick.

-p

[restiffbard]

So, other than Mole who else will be at the Short-Pump store? I'll be the guy wearing the short-pump shirt holding an ibook sitting next to the MCSE holding his brand spanking new 12 Powerbook.

By brand spanking new I mean its sittin at his house waiting for him to get home so he can open the box new.

[primalman]

Just upgraded to 2-day, no charge still [chose the free option at order], and nothing shipped. I guess tomorrow for delivery on Friday! Good weekend, going to snow here and will be fun to play with all day! :)

[Doctor Q]

I wonder if I could change my Panther order's delivery address to "in line" with the address of my local Apple retail store. That way, I won't miss my Panther delivery at home while I'm waiting in line to win the free iMac in the raffle.

[valypan]

any .MAC users here who have thought of using Backup beta to backup all the data before installing Panther? I would like to back all the stuff up on a server but dunno if Backup Beta is reliable enough! What do you guys do? Use Backup beta or backup on CDs?

[LimeiBook86]

Originally posted by samatheson
No shipping notice for me yet, and I ordered ~30 minutes after it was announced. :(

I did check my online status though, and it seems my shipping was changed to 2-day... though I paid for overnight.

I also got the educational discount, perhaps that has something to do with it?

eirp.

I attached a some screenshots I took of the email and online order page, put together in photoshop, so bored cause it's so late.

Well I ordered Panther witht the education discount and I chose the $7 shipping, should come by this weekend

:)

[AmigoMac]

Did not receive any response from application. It is possible that the application does not exist, or that the requested url is incorrect.

That's what I get from the german apple web site when try to check my order status...
I've done it 48 times today and now feel they want to skip me ... :p

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by reyesmac
As long as you save all your important files and preferences first. If you have already done that you should have no problems with reformatting your disk and installing it from scratch. If you want to update your existing copy of Jaguar, make sure you disable andy hacks or applications that modify the system. You might not really need to do all this, but in the event of problems, you will be glad you did. I updated a fresh copy of jaguar and it is running faster than it ever has on this old B&W.


I've tested Panther on several systems by just doing it as an update install. This has worked with ZERO problems, as well it should.

On my primary work computer, I have 4 internal hard drives. One is my OS, applications and main documents. The second drive is a backup, and drives 3 and 4 are used for media production. So the point is that I could always just carbon copy drive 2 to drive 1 if something was wrong with the install, but like I said, I've had no problems.

Unless you'd done some hacks to the OS, I recommend doing it as an update install. You'd still want to back everything up, but it is easier and faster. I also find it more reliable in terms of dealing with preferences and library items.


By the way, if you use your Mac primarily as a business computer, you should wait a few days just to be sure there isn't some bug everyone will be reporting over the weekend.

Panther (as the GM) has already been pretty damn well tested in the public for the past couple of weeks or so. If there's concerns about compatibility or whatever just check the boards...you won't find much, but there are some issues. Everything I have works like a charm.

I think it's more important to wait a few days for updates that come via the Software Update, since those are not as publicly tested as Panther has been.

[MoodMinefield]

When OS X 10.2 Jaguar had come out originally, i installed and then proceeded to have HORRIBLE problems! try, crashing every time i launched an internet browser, the WORST! i un-installed it and then realised that i didnt UPDATE THE FIRMWARE! which was apparently causing all the damn problems.

I shall not be making that mistake this time!

Panther is UPON us!

[Powerbook G5]

How many people are getting "shipped" in their order status? I've been checking back all day, but it still says "open" and I ordered it on the 9th.

[Phil Of Mac]

I have two orders, one on the 8th and one on the 10th. The 8th is a full version that my mom's gonna buy from me, the 10th is the UTD for me to use. Neither have shipped, but both are bumped up to 2-day shipping. And I wasn't "supposed" to get the up-to-date.

[BillClinton]

Originally posted by MoodMinefield
When OS X 10.2 Jaguar had come out originally, i installed and then proceeded to have HORRIBLE problems! try, crashing every time i launched an internet browser, the WORST! i un-installed it and then realised that i didnt UPDATE THE FIRMWARE! which was apparently causing all the damn problems.

I shall not be making that mistake this time!

Panther is UPON us!

This is my first update, so I was wondering if there is an option to update the firmware. Also, is it better to do a clean install? If so, how do I go about doing a clean install? Is there an option or something?

Thanks
Bill

[negrito]

Originally posted by AmigoMac
Did not receive any response from application. It is possible that the application does not exist, or that the requested url is incorrect.

That's what I get from the german apple web site when try to check my order status...
I've done it 48 times today and now feel they want to skip me ... :p

i have exactly the same message. in fact all european stores show this message at the moment.

i'm wondering what is going on there?!

[kirk26]

I'll be waiting in line at the Apple Store in Clarendon, VA baby! Can't wait!:D

[a_kim]

Originally posted by BillClinton
This is my first update, so I was wondering if there is an option to update the firmware. Also, is it better to do a clean install? If so, how do I go about doing a clean install? Is there an option or something?

Thanks
Bill

Any computers that needed a firmware update for jaguar need it for panther as well. Make sure to check the documentation that comes with the installation disks to see if additional firmware updates will be required for panther. I doubt any will though.

Here is the firmware update list for Jaguar:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117

And yes, it absolutely blows when you don't update the firmware before installing. My coworker could not figure out why her machine was crashing after 3 full installs... and then I found this KBase article.

EDIT: Just wanted to clarify that if you've already updated the firmware for jaguar, you don't have to update it again... unless a NEW firmware update is released in the next few days.

-Alex

[fudgebrown]

I just called someone at Apple just to make myself feel better - I too have been checking my status like every hour or so today - but he assured me that I should get it on Friday - only time will tell - I will be depressed if it does not show up - we all know that feeling - waiting for the fedex guy to walk up to the door and then when they don't show - so I'm gonna keep my hopes up...

[AmigoMac]

Originally posted by negrito
i have exactly the same message. in fact all european stores show this message at the moment.

i'm wondering what is going on there?!

just hope they don't forget we do exist ... I placed my order within 30 min from the release and the last status was "being assembled" , still burning the CD? :(

[Giaguara]

Originally posted by akitzmil
Are there going to be t-shirts? If not I'm not going to stand in that long line at schaumburg. I'll just place my order on line.

I wished there were. I was told by someone (of the hq) that there would not be. :rolleyes:

I would buy 5 or 6 if there would / will be.

[a_kim]

Originally posted by kirk26
I'll be waiting in line at the Apple Store in Clarendon, VA baby! Can't wait!:D

Man, it's gonna be packed at Clarendon since the Tyson's Corner store is closed for remodelling. When Jaguar released last year, the line at Clarendon was all the way around the shopping center, to where the parking garage is.

[HooRide]

I personaly think Apple is following AudioQuest's line of analog interconnects. www.audioquest.com Jaguar, Panther, then Cheetah... Ok, probably a coincidence, but interesting none-the-less.

And for those people that insist on complaining to Apple about your 1 day shipping, their goal is to get the package to you by friday, so if you keep the 1 day, they're just going to ship it later. A smart person that has been bumped down from 1 day to 2 day would ask for an adjustment in shipping costs.

[tigas]

Well, because of all these pre-orders and Apple Store stock, the Portuguese local representative of Apple, called Apple IMC Portugal, had to CANCEL the launch event they were planning, because Apple said, basically, "we don't have enough of them to give to you". I wonder if it's happening to all countries which don't have an Apple subsidiary but an Apple representative.

That means they won't have a special opening of computer stores at midnight just to sell panther, no reporters and no TV coverage. Apple should think about this. I'd like to wait for a legal copy, but I think next time I'll just Carracho the heck out of it.

[speechpoet]

Originally posted by iEric
Has anyone from Canada received these notices??
My order status page still says "On or before 10/21/2003" with a status of "Open."

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by HooRide
I personaly think Apple is following AudioQuest's line of analog interconnects. www.audioquest.com Jaguar, Panther, then Cheetah... Ok, probably a coincidence, but interesting none-the-less.

Cheetah was 10.0, Puma was 10.1. The fact that Cheetah was the slowest may seem weird, but remember that that was the creation of the theme--they named it "Puma" because most of the work was making it faster than Public Beta, which they did.

[bubbleteen]

unconfirmed it has not shipped for me. I just checked and I have my emal set to alert me when a new email comes. I also paid for overnight delivery when it does ship.

[HooRide]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Cheetah was 10.0, Puma was 10.1. The fact that Cheetah was the slowest may seem weird, but remember that that was the creation of the theme--they named it "Puma" because most of the work was making it faster than Public Beta, which they did.

So much for that theory, thanks for the OSX history lesson. :)

[Doctor Q]

If you want to be sure to get a T-shirt, you can go to one of the new stores opening on Friday, such as the UTC store in San Diego. The first 1000 people get Apple T-shirts. If it is like other grand openings, the shirts will have the name of the store, not a Panther. Of course, a panther-themed shirt would be more fun to have.

[moet_01]

shipping should be free on all preorders you should of used ground shipping and you should have in on 10/24

[kirk26]

n/t

[kirk26]

Originally posted by a_kim
Man, it's gonna be packed at Clarendon since the Tyson's Corner store is closed for remodelling. When Jaguar released last year, the line at Clarendon was all the way around the shopping center, to where the parking garage is.

Hehe, my office is around the corner. I can park my car there and walk. I'm going to bring my 12" PB so I can watch a movie while I'm waiting. Raiders of the Lost Ark anyone?

[proglife]

Originally posted by kirk26
Raiders of the Lost Ark anyone?

No thanks...I've seen that one.

Mac Content: I am very excited about Panther. I hope my G4 450 Sawtooth doesn't implode.

[kirk26]

Originally posted by proglife
No thanks...I've seen that one.

Mac Content: I am very excited about Panther. I hope my G4 450 Sawtooth doesn't implode.

It's nice to finally have it on DVD though.

[Blackstealth]

Apple UKs order status system seems to have gone down catastrophically so I can't see if my copy of Panther is ready to ship yet - but this is proudly displayed on the front page of the UK store...

http://homepage.mac.com/blackstealth/af/cp_top_promo_macosx.jpg

--edit

Now it seems that all of Apple Europe's order status system has died...

[1macker1]

I hope Panther doesnt do this to my Mac.

http://www.appleinsider.com/news/

[G5Church]

I just started with a new web server. It allows us to update things online with asp databases, etc. Anyways. I'm a mac user and the interface dosen't show up right on my computer. I have a G5 and VirtPC would not work on it. So I called the company and asked about whether they were trying to make their stuff online compatible with macs. The reply I got back said that they understood that the new mac OS that was coming out, 10.3, was going to have a program WITH it that could run PC programs. The email was fairly vaige, as I am sure whatever info she got from Apple was even more vaige. Anyways, are there any rumors like this that there is some kind of PC app running on the mac platform out there?

Here's the email word for word:


"I found a little more information for you about the Mac issues with E-zekiel. Apparently, the very latest version of the Mac operating system comes with a Virtual PC pack that allows your computer to function as a PC. Software is also available on the Internet that does the same thing. We've heard conflicting reports regarding Jaguar and the inclusion of the PC pack. I'm told that Apple is getting ready to release "Panther," its latest OS version, so it could work as well. The E-zekiel staff wants the next version of E-zekiel to be more Mac compatible, so that would be a big help.

All this to say, if the Jaguar OS has a PC pack, then everything should work properly."

[Dolphin84]

Originally posted by alia
I think it has changed actually... I remember them specifically telling a teacher in the Apple Store last year that she could get her ibook there, but that her Office and reduced Keynote had to come from the online store.

But then, less than a month ago, my mom was desperate and went there, ready to pay full price, and they just photocopied her faculty ID and gave her the software for the EDU price.

They've either changed the rules, or they are inconsistant in how they enforce them.

Both of these examples were from the same Apple Store.


To add to the confusion, I just called my nearest Apple Store this weekend, where I was told that educational discounts are only for hardware.

So, I'm guessing that the rule is hardware-only, and that it's sometimes ignored, circumvented, etc...

~Dolphin84

[daveL]

Originally posted by valypan
any .MAC users here who have thought of using Backup beta to backup all the data before installing Panther? I would like to back all the stuff up on a server but dunno if Backup Beta is reliable enough! What do you guys do? Use Backup beta or backup on CDs?
If you are worried about Backup Beta, try Carbon Copy Cloner; it works great.

http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

[daveL]

Originally posted by G5Church
I just started with a new web server. It allows us to update things online with asp databases, etc. Anyways. I'm a mac user and the interface dosen't show up right on my computer. I have a G5 and VirtPC would not work on it. So I called the company and asked about whether they were trying to make their stuff online compatible with macs. The reply I got back said that they understood that the new mac OS that was coming out, 10.3, was going to have a program WITH it that could run PC programs. The email was fairly vaige, as I am sure whatever info she got from Apple was even more vaige. Anyways, are there any rumors like this that there is some kind of PC app running on the mac platform out there?

Here's the email word for word:


"I found a little more information for you about the Mac issues with E-zekiel. Apparently, the very latest version of the Mac operating system comes with a Virtual PC pack that allows your computer to function as a PC. Software is also available on the Internet that does the same thing. We've heard conflicting reports regarding Jaguar and the inclusion of the PC pack. I'm told that Apple is getting ready to release "Panther," its latest OS version, so it could work as well. The E-zekiel staff wants the next version of E-zekiel to be more Mac compatible, so that would be a big help.

All this to say, if the Jaguar OS has a PC pack, then everything should work properly."
The answer is "no". There is no bundled PC emulation in Jag or Panther. Of course, there's Virtual PC, but you already know that it doesn't work yet on the G5. The freeware "Boch" package is a waste of time.

You might try M$ Remote Desktop Connection for Mac, if you have a Windoze PC around. It allows you to have a Windows desktop controlled and displayed on your Mac.

[whooleytoo]

Originally posted by HooRide
So much for that theory, thanks for the OSX history lesson. :)

Well, there were two MacOS 8s too (Copland and Tempo) so you'd never know, they might go with Cheetah again! :)

[DTphonehome]

Can anyone familiar with the Panther upgrade process post a guide on how to upgrade, what the various upgrade paths are, and what needs to be backed up and restored once Panther is installed? There seems to be many people who are as confused as I am. I would hate to lose something important in the process!
Thanks!

--DT

[KLFloyd]

Originally posted by Blackstealth
Apple UKs order status system seems to have gone down catastrophically so I can't see if my copy of Panther is ready to ship yet - but this is proudly displayed on the front page of the UK store...

--edit

Now it seems that all of Apple Europe's order status system has died...

At 5:50 Eastern I just tried to check my order status from the US site, it's down too, I just get an error message.

Darn...any idea as to what's going on?

[Genie]

If you ordered Panther using the G5 up to date program, how do you know when it will ship? Is there an order tracking site?

[G5Church]

Originally posted by Genie
If you ordered Panther using the G5 up to date program, how do you know when it will ship? Is there an order tracking site?

You should have had to give them your email address when you ordered it. You will be notified that way. Also, just a note to those that are unaware, I found out through a conversation with an Apple rep last week that with the update CD you can do a clean install/and those other options. You don't have to revert to the CDs you have for a full install, ie. 10.2.7, and then run your update CDs. You can do it all with the newest update CD, 10.3. Whoop!

[Docrjm]

Originally posted by iEric
Has anyone from Canada received these notices??
No. I ordered last night online. There was a minor prob with my order and had to phone this am. I enquired about the shipping and delivery I was informed that they were aiming to ship for Friday, even to rural and remote areas. I live in a small community in the Int of BC.
Here's hoping.:D

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Genie
If you ordered Panther using the G5 up to date program, how do you know when it will ship? Is there an order tracking site?

It should be just the normal Apple Store. It is for my up-to-date. But for you extra special G5 people, maybe you're too important for our order tracking site. Elitists.

Just kidding. And I loved your G5 pics :)

[Docrjm]

Originally posted by KLFloyd
At 5:50 Eastern I just tried to check my order status from the US site, it's down too, I just get an error message.

Darn...any idea as to what's going on?
Server is also down in Canada, unable to check status or place an order.
Perhaps we are all overloading the servers with checks on est delivery??:confused:

[sethypoo]

Just so anyone in the central valley in California will know.....

The Apple Store at Arden Fair DOES NOT give educational discounts on operating systems. I called them myself, feel free to go to http://www.apple.com/retail/ardenfair/ to call them and see for yourself.

[greenstork]

Originally posted by fudgebrown
we all know that feeling - waiting for the fedex guy to walk up to the door and then when they don't show - so I'm gonna keep my hopes up...

Yeah but how about when the FedEx guy gets there in the morning before you go to work, Shaaaazammmm. You've gotta love that, it happened with my new PB. Need less to say, I didn't get much work done tht day.

[greenstork]

Originally posted by HooRide


And for those people that insist on complaining to Apple about your 1 day shipping, their goal is to get the package to you by friday, so if you keep the 1 day, they're just going to ship it later. A smart person that has been bumped down from 1 day to 2 day would ask for an adjustment in shipping costs.

I'd say a smart person should have chose Ground Shipping to begin with.:D

[steveh]

Originally posted by notjustjay
To "go all out" means to spare no expense, to be extravagant, to everything you possibly can.

Probably from the steam-era idiom to "pull out all the stops", to go as fast as possible, to eschew timidity.

Or, perhaps, to be as loud as possible on a steam-powered organ...:)

[zer0army]

Originally posted by iEric
Has anyone from Canada received these notices??

I live about 5 mins away from apple canada and my UTD order status said on or before 10/21/3002 but was still "open" last time I checked. However now the Canadain store order status like many others is down.

Thats cool though since my G5 came with Panther, hehe.

[skunk]

Just got an e-mail to say my Education-discounted copy (UK) is on its way. My Cube is wetting itself.
:)

[iHack]

Originally posted by zer0army
I live about 5 mins away from apple canada and my UTD order status said on or before 10/21/3002 but was still "open" last time I checked. However now the Canadain store order status like many others is down.

Thats cool though since my G5 came with Panther, hehe.

That's one cool cat! :cool: But how are you going to get that poor p*ssy cat in your drive tray (and close it)??:D

M.

sheesh, this ****ty **** *****' **** of a vbulletin software does not accept the word p.u.s.s.y. How uptight can you get...;)

[Genie]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It should be just the normal Apple Store. It is for my up-to-date. But for you extra special G5 people, maybe you're too important for our order tracking site. Elitists.

Just kidding. And I loved your G5 pics :)

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)Thank you Phil!

I will check the order tracking site.

[Phil Of Mac]

By the way, the order tracking site isn't working lately.

[Awimoway]

Yes. It has been opined here and elsewhere that perhaps this is a result of the massive number of hits it is receiving from eager Panther customers. But I have a hard time believing a few overenthusiastic geeks are overloading the system. Rather, I prefer to think that so many Panther shipments are being processed right now that they had to take the system offline while they update all the orders.

Hey, I can hope. ;)

[Phil Of Mac]

Or maybe to cancel all our pirate Up-To-Date orders!

(I sure as hell hope not!)

[MacIke]

Originally posted by q1232
go all out
v : perform as well as possible [syn: give one's best, do
one's best]

or in other words "pulling out all the stops"


"pulling out all the stops" would also be a cliche.

[Genie]

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
Phil, I had such a fun time browsing your site!!

SO many great quotes.

I like this one: "I don't exactly deny the existence of a god. I don't deny the existence of Klingons either."

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Genie
http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
Phil, I had such a fun time browsing your site!!

SO many great quotes.

I like this one: "I don't exactly deny the existence of a god. I don't deny the existence of Klingons either."

Thanks! It's feedback like that that encourages me to keep working on it!

By the way, have you signed my petition yet?

[Genie]

No proof of a negative is probably also why Gbush is able to keep up his pretense about you know what in you know where....

I signed the petition! YOU DESERVE A MERCEDES!

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Or maybe to cancel all our pirate Up-To-Date orders!

(I sure as hell hope not!) I second that ;)

[zer0army]

Here we go with another delay. I just got an email from Apple letting me know that my on or before 10/21/2003 has now been pushed back to 10/24/2003.:(

Dear Apple Customer
We appreciate your recent purchase from the Apple Store. Due to an unexpected delay, we now anticipate shipping the following item(s) as follows

M9231LL/A, MAC OS X PANTHER 10.3 FULFIL/UTD-USA will now ship on or before 10/24/2003 We regret any inconvenience this delay may cause.

[bankshot]

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
On another note - I got a $20 Apple Store e-coupon from Apple for renewing my .Mac subscription. Can't use it at the physical Apple Store's - just online or via the 800 number. I tried using it on the Apple Store for Education and got an "Claim Code is not valid" error.

Looks like you may be disappointed then. The fine print for the .Mac renewal offer clearly stated that the $20 credit cannot be used in conjunction with educational pricing. We thought about using it for an educational purchase of Panther, but saw this in the fine print, so we opted for The Sims instead. Unfortunately the only other things we needed recently at the Apple Store were $19 cables, and the $20 discount also doesn't cover shipping/tax, so it was no good for those either.

[bankshot]

Originally posted by G5Church
I just started with a new web server. It allows us to update things online with asp databases, etc. Anyways. I'm a mac user and the interface dosen't show up right on my computer. I have a G5 and VirtPC would not work on it. So I called the company and asked about whether they were trying to make their stuff online compatible with macs. The reply I got back said that they understood that the new mac OS that was coming out, 10.3, was going to have a program WITH it that could run PC programs. The email was fairly vaige, as I am sure whatever info she got from Apple was even more vaige. Anyways, are there any rumors like this that there is some kind of PC app running on the mac platform out there?


There was an early article about Panther in the last month or so that mistakenly gave the impression that Virtual PC or similar technology was included with Panther. I forget who published it, but it showed up on the rumor sites before the publisher quickly clarified that it was a mistake. That's probably where they got it.

Unfortunately G5s are probably out of luck until Microsoft fixes Virtual PC for them. Who knows how long that might take??

[bankshot]

Originally posted by rishio
I'm just wondering - to do a clean install do you just have to pop in the CD and select an option for clean install? Or Are you supposed to format the hard disk before you install the program? If so - how would you go about formatting the hard disk?

I haven't seen the Panther install yet, but either you will be given a choice of installation types, or there will be a Customize button at some point in the process. Don't be afraid to push that button and choose the option that fits you best!

I'd say for most people, Archive/Install is the way to go. You get a nice clean install of the OS, but you don't lose all your data and settings.

In addition, before you format your hard disk, do you have to deauthorize your itunes music and then authorize it again after the clean panther install?

That's a good point! Regardless of which install method you use, it would be a very good idea to backup /Users/Shared/SC Info. This is where iTunes authorization is stored. If you really want to be ultra-safe, you could deauthorize too, and just reauthorize after the install. But backing up and restoring the SC Info folder should also work.

[ilovemacs]

I just called the Apple Store CambridgeSide....

I asked "What time should I arrive at the store Friday Night?"

The Guy said for the Jaguar Release @ the Store, the line went all the way down past the cheesecake factory.... Now for those who have been to the Galleria, knows that is a very long line.

I'm planning on arriving around 6pm... shouldn't be too bad around then considering people will be getting out of work around that time...

Wouldn't it be nice to come in with nothing, and leave with Panther and a iMac or G5!?!? Only Time Will Tell!!

Night of the Panther is Approaching!

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
By the way, the order tracking site isn't working lately. Yup. Here's my order status:Server Error

Backend Invalid Response Error

This error indicates that an invalid response was received from the backend server.

Please try again. If this problem continues, please notify the web server administrator.

[marklemac]

Hi,

I am a UK Apple Reseller, and we received all of our stocks yesterday morning. I was as suprised as you guys, considering the Friday launch. I was expecting stocks to arrive on Friday, or after the event, just like the Jaguar event.

Anyhow, installation is a breeze. Just run the installer and it senses you already are running 10.2 and it does an upgrade. Takes around 40ish minutes to run. Doesn't ask for CD#3. First impressions are the speed it now makes my Powerbook 12 run at. Very impressive. Next I installed it onto a G4 400 and had problems, the installer said there was an error with the install, try again. I tracked this down to be a disc error on the hard drive, so Norton 8 fixed that, and then Panther installed fine. The G4 400 is now much zippier than before...

I'll be playing some more today, just getting ready for Friday :-)

[Lewisham]

Why is it that a friend of mine ordered his copy of Panther at exactly the same time as me, to exactly the same address, and his order gets fulfilled last night? :confused:

I feel highly aggrieved that Apple has shunned my long-standing commitment to them when he only switched two weeks ago.

I'm trying not to hurt him. Really. Really. Trying. :)

[negrito]

wow! some people feel already agressed if panther comes 1 day too late...tss... i ordered a g5 on july 8th and it arrived 2 weeks ago. so calm down a little bit ;)

i'm now wise enough to not be too anxious about delivering dates.

btw: i ordered my up-to-date panther frrom the swiss apple store on october 9th and look my order status:

[rog]

I have been unable to check the order status at the apple store for the past 9 hours or so. It just times out and says there is an error no matter what browser I use. Anyone else not able to check their order status?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by rog
I have been unable to check the order status at the apple store for the past 9 hours or so. It just times out and says there is an error no matter what browser I use. Anyone else not able to check their order status?

I don't know if that's the reason, but the Apple Store here in the UK is down...

Updates anyone?

eMac, iBook or xServeG5??

[Romanesq]

I woke up to see a nice email from Apple saying the shipment is going out.
Not in the Fedex system yet, but who's to complain.

Friday looks very real.

Yipeekaiyeah!

[psxndc]

Originally posted by ilovemacs
I just called the Apple Store CambridgeSide....

...

The Guy said for the Jaguar Release @ the Store, the line went all the way down past the cheesecake factory.... Now for those who have been to the Galleria, knows that is a very long line.


Well (unfortunately) the people traffic will probably be split between Cambridgeside and Chestnut Hill since CH wasn't open when Jag was released. But it still probably means very few goodies by the time I get there (CH). Bummer.

-p

[NicoMan]

WOW !!!

iBook G4s....

that was unexpected...

[mvora]

Order status works again. I ordered Panther on the 15th with regular shipping. On Monday, it said it would ship 2 day. Now, it says Standard Overnite. I guess Apple decided they couldn't ship them all out today so some got put off till tomorrow with faster shipping...

P.S. Its an .edu Panther...

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by pianojoe
{snippage}

"all out"

{snippage}

Aviation usage: Maximum takeoff rated thrust.

Other: no restrictions to maximum effort

=-=
JJ

[primalman]

WTF? iBook G4! Did not see that coming!

[MattG]

Not sure if anyone has posted something similar, but I'm not going to read through 8 pages to find out :)

Just wanted to let everyone know that the up-to-date version of Panther that I ordered using my 15" Aluminum Powerbook serial number has shipped. Got a tracking number and all.

Unless it happens to come before Friday, I won't be able to try it until Monday. I'll be in Key West @ Fantasy Fest on the day Panther is being released. I'll be too drunk to use it anyway :p

[Montanan]

I received a shipment notice too ... for a Panther upgrade copy for my 1.25 15" PB, which was ordered back on September 16th. (And yes, I gave Apple the correct date when I requested the up-to-date upgrade.)

W00t!

[Chupa Chupa]

Add one more copy of the 10.3 UTD version that has shipped. Just got my notice.

[primalman]

Have not shipped yet, but on Monday I got upgraded to 2-day from standard free, and today it is listed as standard overnight.

What's next?

Shipping method: Driven to my house by an Apple intern?

Just kidding, can't wait.

[Powerbook G5]

Mine is still open, too...but I also noticed it got changed from standard free shipping to two day shipping. Hopefully it will ship soon.

[Daveman Deluxe]

Mine is still open. Yesterday, it got moved from standard free shipping to two-day shipping, and today it got moved to overnight shipping.

The only problem is that I fear my iBook is starting to have logic board issues. I might not be able to use Panther until I get my iBook back if the problem recurs. :(

[MasterMac]

Yay, mine is now shipping too :D

[nslyax]

Mine is at "Shipped" now too. Order status page gives the FedEx tracking number, but FedEx isn't recognizing it yet. If they are shipping from the Minnesota distribution center, I may have tomorrow, even ground is one day from there. Not getting my hopes up though. My order is edu btw.

[Phil Of Mac]

My Panther has shipped. And it was a PowerBook UTD that I shouldn't have gotten!

[zync]

Originally posted by alia
I think it has changed actually... I remember them specifically telling a teacher in the Apple Store last year that she could get her ibook there, but that her Office and reduced Keynote had to come from the online store.

But then, less than a month ago, my mom was desperate and went there, ready to pay full price, and they just photocopied her faculty ID and gave her the software for the EDU price.

They've either changed the rules, or they are inconsistant in how they enforce them.

Both of these examples were from the same Apple Store.


Alia

I've bought hardware through the International Apple Store and they did the same with my USF ID, so I dunno why they wouldn't do it for software, but it seems they are inconsistent...

[KCK]

I got my shipping notice. I probably will have it tomorrow since I normally get things in one day when Apple ships stuff from Sacramento even when using standard shipping.

[Omek]

Mine has shipped as well. :D

[sethypoo]

My shipping status still says open (I ordered and educational copy of Panther yesterday) but my shipping was changed from standard free 5-day to "standard overnight."

What does "open" mean?

And is it just me or is 10/24/03 taking forever to get here?

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by sethypoo
What does "open" mean?From Apple Store:What does my order status message mean?

* Order Received: Your order has been received but has not begun processing. In most cases, Apple can begin processing your order in approximately 45 minutes from the time you place your order on-line and may take longer depending on large quantity orders or method of payment.

* Open: Your order or order line has begun processing but has not yet shipped. Once your order is “open,” Apple will provide you the estimated dates that your products will ship from its distribution sites.

* Partially Shipped: Part of your order or order line has shipped from Apple’s warehouse(s) and is in transit to your designated shipping address on the selected carrier.

* Shipped: All items on your order or order line have shipped from Apple’s warehouse(s).

* Electronically Delivered: Your electronic software product(s) or activation key has been issued to you.

* Completed: Your order containing electronic software products, .Mac or iPhoto products has been processed completely or shipped.

* Cancelled: All items on your order or order line have been cancelled.

* Action Required: Your order has been received but it cannot be processed due to incomplete payment or lack of other important information. Once you have provided this information, Apple can continue processing your order and will provide you with the estimated dates your products will ship from its distribution sites.

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
From Apple Store:

Thanks.

[Theresa]

Education User - ordered my copy on Monday night.

Yesterday it was updated to 2nd day from the free ground.

Right now it is still open and still at 2nd day.

-------

I also ordered copies through Now Up To Date program for some G5's. The web order didn't work so I faxed it on Monday. I have no clue the status of this order.

[frinky23]

I ordered via the Up-To-Date program for my G5 and got my shipping notification this afternoon. I probably won't be able to do anything with it on Friday, and leave for 9 days of hiking in the Rocky Mountains on Saturday, so I guess it'll just have to sit around for a while collecting dust. On the bright side, Software Update should have some bug fixes available by the time I get to install it.

[fudgebrown]

I ordered mine with the education discount since my wife is in grad school - and also I used my .Mac $20 coupon over the phone so my total was $53.05. By order still says "open" and was changed to standard overnight, so I guess that means it will ship out tomorrow? I was hopeing for an e-mail today -

[Duff-Man]

Duff-man says.....I just checked my pre-order (Family Pack) and it says "Shipped," - I'll be having a fun weekend.....oh yeah!

[Theresa]

Hasn't shipped yet but my status just changed from shipping 2 day to overnight.

[wtmcgee]

mine is still on 2-day, and has not shipped yet.

[bjmorgan]

Yay!

[wdlove]

I ordered my Panther on the 18th. Says that it shipped today and is due the 24th. When I check the tracking at FedEx, says not scanned at their facilty yet.

[nalfein]

my panther has too been shipped and if i trust fedex website mine will be here 1 day before official launch. :

Estimated Delivery Date
__
10/23/2003 by 12:00

:D

[Duff-Man]

Originally posted by nalfein
my panther has too been shipped and if i trust fedex website mine will be here 1 day before official launch. :



:D Duff-Man says.....My shipment says the same, however I just talked to FedEx and they said that they actually have not picked up the package yet and that this info is just "pre-input" and that it is highly unlikely that delivery would happen Thursday....he also said he has seen "hundreds" of these today and had many calls about it.......oh yeah!

[rockman2023]

I recently did some freelance work and I'm expecting $350 by tomorrow or Friday. Problem is, my mom is lookin to take all of that money, and I cant buy the Panther edu discount in the store, which i was PLANNING to do. :( So now, I have to find someone with a credit card, or do some pleading.

[zync]

Originally posted by Duff-Man
Duff-Man says.....My shipment says the same, however I just talked to FedEx and they said that they actually have not picked up the package yet and that this info is just "pre-input" and that it is highly unlikely that delivery would happen Thursday....he also said he has seen "hundreds" of these today and had many calls about it.......oh yeah!

I can't help but hear duff man in my head every time I read your posts, I'm just that kind of Simpsons freak...

"Duff man can never die, only the actors who play him!"

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by rockman2023
I recently did some freelance work and I'm expecting $350 by tomorrow or Friday. Problem is, my mom is lookin to take all of that money, and I cant buy the Panther edu discount in the store, which i was PLANNING to do. :( So now, I have to find someone with a credit card, or do some pleading.

Do you owe your mother the money, or does she just take money from you? If she does, and you're in college, tell her to earn her own damn money :D

[sugarprobe]

Hi all

Checked FedEx and it says delivery by 10/23/2003 by 12:00 noon. If it actually happens I'll be shocked and happy.

[rockman2023]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Do you owe your mother the money, or does she just take money from you? If she does, and you're in college, tell her to earn her own damn money :D

I dont owe her $$, and she makes her own. It's just that bills, + splitting the mortgage, + cable AND cable modem, + car payments, + car insurance, - father = STRESS.
I'm sure being a single parent PLUS supporting a 20 year old isnt exactly the easiest thing in the world.
So, I dont mind givin her the money, just not ALL of it :D I need Panther!!!
I'm sure that whomever is a parent here, with a child in college, understands this situation.

[LimeiBook86]

My copy of Panther is currently in Lancaster, PA. I will hope to get it by earliest Firday. If I get it tomorrow I will pee myself.

:p

[Superdrive]

t-42 Hours and I still have the OPEN status. I am worrying. Should i be??

[Awimoway]

Yes, but not for the reason you think. ;)

[Phil Of Mac]

Update:

1. FedEx is working again.
2. I'm gonna get some Panther on 4:30 PM on Friday.
3. It's fun to tell your friends that you're getting some fresh black ***** Friday night.

[LimeiBook86]

My package says OUT FOR DELIVERY and says that it should come today! (October 23rd) Maybe I wil be the first to get it? :p

Let the race begin!!
<shoots gun up in the air>

Go!

[hokiethang]

Originally posted by Superdrive
t-42 Hours and I still have the OPEN status. I am worrying. Should i be??

same here. I still have open status, but have been upgraded to overnight shipping. If it doesnt ship by noon, im going to call apple and cancel the order, and just go buy it at the university bookstore.

[ntg]

Hi to all the Brits out there...

I was advised Tuesday 21st lunchtime that Panther had shipped via 'Parcel Post' - does that mean Royal Mail delivery, or just 'any carrier they choose to use on that particular day', since I still don't have it yet......

anyone received theirs yet?

please let me know.

TIA

Nig.

[lucab1982]

I was advised Tuesday 21st lunchtime that Panther had shipped via 'Parcel Post'

WHAt, so lucky, ordered mine ages ago and still waiting for it to be put out for delivery. hmm...then again it was an UTD order...any news on UK UTD orders?

[wdlove]

Apple Store says that my Panther has been shipped. FedEx has it listed as 2-day air and to be delivered by 4:30pm 10/24. That will be great timing so that I can attend the Panther Party as planned.

[sanford]

All I know is that I want someone in Dallas who receives their copy of Panther *today* or earlier to let me install it on my machine *today* so I don't have to wait until *tomorrow*. I just checked my FedEx track and mine won't arrive until tomorrow, Friday. Argh!

[Powerbook G5]

Mine should be delivered by 4:30 tomorrow according to FedEx.

[wtmcgee]

got my shipping notice last night. delivery is scheduled 'before 12:30pm'.

considering the package is listed in TN, and i live in Atlanta, GA - that's not too farfetched. i'm so excited!!!

[shecky]

ordered my copy October 13th education version.

shipped yesterday.

was delivered by FedEx today at 11AM (Eastern Std. Time - USA).

and its a sexy box, too.

i'm burning a few backups and then i'm off to installer heaven.

[Stelliform]

I ordered overnight, and they shipped 2 day. :( but I call and they refunded all of my shipping... So he free shipping... :)
It will be here tomorrow. Which is fine, I have too much going on tonight to fool with it...

[Awimoway]

Originally posted by Stelliform
I ordered overnight, and they shipped 2 day. :( but I call and they refunded all of my shipping... So he free shipping... :)
It will be here tomorrow. Which is fine, I have too much going on tonight to fool with it...

Same thing happened to me, but I haven't made the call yet. Good to know I can get a refund on shipping.

[Lancetx]

Hmm, well I ordered mine on Wednesday the 8th at 6:47am PT and the status on mine remains "open." They haven't hit my credit card for the charge yet either. I guess I'll give them a call later this evening if it doesn't change between now and then to see what the deal is...

[LimeiBook86]

I got my version of Panther today :D Seems you only need disc 1 and 2 if your just upgrading. My PowerBook is installing Panther now. My Panthe rbox is a little scratched. But the 3D (puffed up box) effect is sweet. Yay!!

[fudgebrown]

Mine still says "open" with overnight shipping - i was gonna call Apple to see whats up but the wait time is 20 minutes right now --

[LimeiBook86]

OFF TOPIC: Funny how Panther Installs Internet Explorer...:p

[Superdrive]

Originally posted by fudgebrown
Mine still says "open" with overnight shipping - i was gonna call Apple to see whats up but the wait time is 20 minutes right now --
Apparently, we are not the only ones waiting then. Hoping I see "shipping" and then a black box in the next 24 hours. Time is t-27 hours.

-Superdrive

[nslyax]

I was better off with it not shipped. FedEx tracking says it left Middletown, PA 10:56 last night and no word since. I've driven that in 9.5 hours. Could have nearly gone and got it myself and made it back by now. The suspense is killing me! Where's my Panther!
Still reports as being delivered by 4:30 tomorrow though, plenty of time to install and drive to Somerset Apple Store in Troy. Anyone else going to that store?

[Mason]

Still hasn't shipped. :mad:

[Theresa]

My copy still hasn't shipped either - still says "open" and standard overnight.

[Golem]

Mine still says open and shipping is "Road", hey apple its the 24th allready! Well at least in Australia:), while its probably coming from Frenchs forest or Alexandria so 1 hour travel I highly doubt they will ship it same day.

[Superdrive]

Does the Apple Online Store close at 5pm Pacific? Considering it is that time right now, I sure hope that I can get a SHIPPING notice tonight. :confused:

[Mason]

Originally posted by Superdrive
Does the Apple Online Store close at 5pm Pacific? Considering it is that time right now, I sure hope that I can get a SHIPPING notice tonight. :confused:

Me too. Going to be disappointed if this doesn't show up until next week.

[MacFan25]

My copy has shipped, its currently in Tennesee according to FedEx. I suppose I will get it either tomorrow or early next week.

[primalman]

shipped, by 3pm. no pants day!

[Superdrive]

Wait time is up to 37 minutes on Apple Store. Apparently, others are inquiring :(

[Eslyjah]

To those of you who have received Panther through FedEx: can you tell me if they require a signature for this package? Mine is supposed to be delivered by 4:30 tomorrow and I will be at work, and my wife will be out of town. If they leave a slip on my door saying they attempted delivery and will try again on Monday I will freak out.

Thanks,

E

[Powerbook G5]

Not sure about FedEx, but with UPS you can request either they just leave it on the doorstep (and not hold them liable if it gets stolen) or request that they deliver it to your neighbor and let them sign for it in your place.

[Theresa]

It is 9:40 CST and the website finally said my Panther shipped! Finally - next day air.

No email notification yet.

[bousozoku]

I got an e-mail from ADC earlier that copies for developers have been shipped today. :)

[Mason]

nothing new yet for me. :(

[Phil Of Mac]

Well, my black ***** is in Spokane, which is the nearest FedEx facility to good ole Pullman, Washington.