Does size really matter? [Archive]

tpjunkie

Oct 27, 2003, 08:27 PM

This is one of the more bizarre/risque threads i've seen here. Another thing that occured to me is the fact that despite what women tell us, we (men) often feel like women are lying when they say "size doesn't matter"
-EDIT- Oh yeah, this is why I was gonna reply for the second time: I think that on some level, at least when you're making a 'first impression' down there, size does matter to women. At least thats the feeling I get.

I guess you can't help us clarify this issue vniow, but there are some other women on the forums.

At this point, I can't believe I'm posting this.

QCassidy352

Oct 27, 2003, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Macco
I think I remember reading somewhere that in ancient Greece the aesthetic ideal was actually smaller, not bigger. Interesting, since most people in the Western world think that bigger=better is the natural order of things.

in one "tribal" society that i have read about in Africa, being larger is not only undesirable, it is used as an insult. Small to medium is preferable in that culture.

So I don't think there is any inherent importance or "better" size; it's a cultural (and personal) preference.

btw, people, you don't have to beat yourselves up for replying to this topic. We all know it's silly, but if you're posting, just post; you don't have to justify yourselves. :)

Macco

Oct 27, 2003, 08:56 PM

Remembering the dangers of a shrinking penis, the man grabs his genitals before they can retract into his body, and calls for help. If no one is around to help hold onto his penis, the individual may use mechanical devices to keep the penis from retracting, including cords, chopsticks, clamps, or small weights.

Ugh you have no idea how many times this has happened to me. ;)

On a slightly more serious note, I think that every guy at some point in his life is faced with a feeling of, how shall we say, insufficiency, even if he won't admit it. And I'm sure women feel the same way about their breasts, not that we can get much of a discussion about it on this forum site, seeing as there are so few females.

tpjunkie

Oct 27, 2003, 08:56 PM

I think the "I can't believe I'm posting this" was refering to the fact that this is probably one of the more ridiculous threads on MR (at least mine was refering to that)

Sun Baked

Oct 27, 2003, 10:46 PM

Great...

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=374738 the http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=158571

...thread

true777

Oct 28, 2003, 02:04 AM

This just in from the straight female front:

I've never thought bigger was better, and have always been puzzled at why men obsess about this. If anything, large can really get somewhat uncomfortable (though I'm a slender, petite, tiny 5'2" - maybe it's different for large & tall women). Plus, I think smaller looks cuter - nicer, more casual, not as "in your face" (pun intended ;) ). I also found (and I'm not kidding about this) that guys with smaller members are on average a little sweeter/ more gentle/ more attentive towards women (not just in bed - I mean in general), because they seem a little shy about it and are trying to make up for it by being extra nice :) Which is good :)

So in that sense, this obsession is at least good for something!

On a different note, I think that for many girls, what matters more than an extra inch or some special "technique" is whether it's a guy they get along with in general, who is smart, quirky, fun, attentive, cuddly and sweet, and who they're in love with. This generally is the best guarantor for great sex for women (there are actually studies that show this, too). So I think obsessing about size is looking at this very much from a "guy" perspective, not from a women's point of view.

TimDaddy

Oct 28, 2003, 03:51 AM

Does it matter if it curves?

Did I type that out loud?

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 04:22 AM

Heh, your quote is somewhat appropriate

Peyote

Oct 28, 2003, 05:14 AM

It's all about the angle of the dangle.

Seriously though, the way I look at it, I like being average for one very good reason. It's easier to recieve ummmm...shall we say "oral stimulation".

:D

jefhatfield

Oct 28, 2003, 06:52 AM

on dr. dean edell's medical talk show, different men in society, who have never measured their penis, were asked to guess at their length

of all the nations, men from turkey guessed their average length to be eight inches

it turns out the real average is 6.8 inches and no culture owned up to that

eight inches may sound "normal" to many who have never measured, but that is really very large and there are prolly very few, including adult entertainers, who are 12 inches

iGav

Oct 28, 2003, 07:35 AM

I used to know someone who went by the name of 'coke-can-kev' because of his alleged girth.... heheh.

applemacdude

Oct 28, 2003, 08:05 AM

I never tought anyone would post a size thread here in MR....But then again......

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by true777
This just in from the straight female front:

I've never thought bigger was better, and have always been puzzled at why men obsess about this. If anything, large can really get somewhat uncomfortable (though I'm a slender, petite, tiny 5'2" - maybe it's different for large & tall women). Plus, I think smaller looks cuter - nicer, more casual, not as "in your face" (pun intended ;) ). I also found (and I'm not kidding about this) that guys with smaller members are on average a little sweeter/ more gentle/ more attentive towards women (not just in bed - I mean in general), because they seem a little shy about it and are trying to make up for it by being extra nice :) Which is good :)

So in that sense, this obsession is at least good for something!

On a different note, I think that for many girls, what matters more than an extra inch or some special "technique" is whether it's a guy they get along with in general, who is smart, quirky, fun, attentive, cuddly and sweet, and who they're in love with. This generally is the best guarantor for great sex for women (there are actually studies that show this, too). So I think obsessing about size is looking at this very much from a "guy" perspective, not from a women's point of view.

I nominate True to be the first woman cloned. We need more like you! :D

Rock on! :D

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 08:30 AM

:D what a thread...

I've often found myself questioning my own size in the past. I've been told I've got nothing to worry about, but when a girlfriend says that it's almost as bad as when someone's mom compliments them on something. :rolleyes:

I think it's one of those things that will forever be an obsession with males. And I second Moxie's motion, that true777 should clone herself. ;)

rjrufo

Oct 28, 2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
I nominate True to be the first woman cloned. We need more like you! :D

Rock on! :D

I was going to say the same thing, so I'll second your nomination. Ok, third...

I like pitite women like true777 described herself, so maybe that indicates my size, but I don't care about that. If I make my girl happy in other areas besides in bed, then she will make me happy in bed.

I hope that sounds the way I intended...:rolleyes:

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by rjrufo
I was going to say the same thing, so I'll second your nomination.

I like pitite women like true777 described herself, so maybe that indicates my size, but I don't care about that. If I make my girl happy in other areas besides in bed, then she will make me happy in bed.

I hope that sounds the way I intended...:rolleyes:

Just as long as no one challenges anyone to dual for fair maiden true's hand or antyhing too bizarre. ;)

But my friend Jerry and I were going to, back in college, get "thug" like gothic lettered tatoos above our peens that simply said "Sorry!" for all the size queens out there who might be disappointed. ;)

We decided not to.

:D

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 08:38 AM

Ha, nice thread!

But here's a poser - if men were given the same opportunity as women who have their breasts enlarged, but in this case their penis, what would happen? ;)

(this makes the assumption that it all would *work* correctly after the surgery)

D

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
But here's a poser - if men were given the same opportunity as women who have their breasts enlarged, but in this case their penis, what would happen? ;)

I wouldn't. Surgery freaks me out, and I tend not to find much of a turn-on from women who get implants.

now a Swedish Pump... :eek: ;)

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 08:45 AM

I completely agree with True. Coming from a woman's point of view, large sizes can be uncomfortable and that could make the entire experience unpleasant. I would much prefer a guy of a normal size to one that's larger. I don't understand the obsession with large penis size, especially since the normal size for a guy is something around or just over 6". A man with a smaller penis can make a woman just as happy as a man with a larger one...maybe more so since they don't cause discomfort for women. I do however understand a man's desire to have a larger penis, that's why some women get breast implants...people tend to think 'the bigger the better', and that's just not so in all cases.

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
I don't understand the obsession with large penis size, especially since the normal size for a guy is something around or just over 6".

It's about power...bigger means better. It's like guys who feel inadequate in themselves, so they want to be able to say they have a big one to make themselves feel more "manly."

they lack in many areas...so they focus on that one thing...IMO...

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:47 AM

I agree with eye on the whole surgery deal. Plus, given the amount of errors happening in the medical field... those dudes can TOTALLY stay away from my peen. And hell, my nose, and teeth, and everything else too. ;)

Sillymac, you're also on my shortlist of two to be cloned. :)

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:48 AM

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
Just look at the Denali, the H2, the Yukon, the Land Cruiser, the Escalade, etc for examples of manly = bigger

hehe...then look at my small, but quick Matrix... ;)

rjrufo

Oct 28, 2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
Just as long as no one challenges anyone to dual for fair maiden true's hand or antyhing too bizarre. ;)

:D

No, she lives too far away, so I wouldn't have a chance anyway...

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
hehe...then look at my small, but quick Matrix... ;)

And my comfortable and reliable Saab. ;)

Haha.

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
It's about power...bigger means better. It's like guys who feel inadequate in themselves, so they want to be able to say they have a big one to make themselves feel more "manly."

they lack in many areas...so they focus on that one thing...IMO...

I completely agree on that last point. And for the first part, if I meet a guy who needs to embellish on his size or who seems obsessed to let the world know just how big his penis is to make himself feel "manly", then I'm turning and walking the other way. I'd rather a guy who is comfortable with himself, because then he'd be comfortable with someone else...and that can make all the difference in the world in bed.

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
I completely agree on that last point. And for the first part, if I meet a guy who needs to embellish on his size or who seems obsessed to let the world know just how big his penis is to make himself feel "manly", then I'm turning and walking the other way. I'd rather a guy who is comfortable with himself, because then he'd be comfortable with someone else...and that can make all the difference in the world in bed.

Rock! Unfortunately, girls like you tend to hide away here in Pittsburgh and we have lots of weirdo girls who are trashy size queens... or something like that. haha

I've actually heard girls ask dudes here how big they are in clubs. Thankfully I've never been put in that situation. I'd probably say something horribly offensive and get slapped. But it would be worth it.

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
I've actually heard girls ask dudes here how big they are in clubs. Thankfully I've never been put in that situation. I'd probably say something horribly offensive and get slapped. But it would be worth it.

I just usually say I'm hung like an infant...it gets a nice reaction... :eek: :D ;)

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 08:59 AM

But the thing is that there are plenty of women out there in both camps. I knew a woman who would make sure of certain requirements before things would proceed. ;)

Its all so stupid and to get hung up on something like this only gets in the way. I'm more of the opinion that there are so many people out there that you shouldn't have a problem finding someone who appreciates you for who you are and not how you're put together. If you find one of the latter and don't measure up, move on.

D

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
I'm more of the opinion that there are so many people out there that you shouldn't have a problem finding someone who appreciates you for who you are and not how you're put together.

I couldn't agree with u more. Superficial b.s. does nothing but turn me off in most cases. Where I can see some women liking the size factor, I think it's all a state of mind in most cases.

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
Rock! Unfortunately, girls like you tend to hide away here in Pittsburgh and we have lots of weirdo girls who are trashy size queens... or something like that. haha

I've actually heard girls ask dudes here how big they are in clubs. Thankfully I've never been put in that situation. I'd probably say something horribly offensive and get slapped. But it would be worth it.

In all honesty I think there are a lot of women out there who would prefer an average sized man...but who wouldn't admit that because society has placed stigma's on size. People tend to think that large=powerful and that small=inadequate and that's just not the case. Not to me anyway.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
Where I can see some women liking the size factor, I think it's all a state of mind in most cases.

oh, it was pathetic, actually. she was a friend of an ex, and my ex would come home and tell me the stories she would hear from this woman. She was obsessed, kind of sad.

D

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
oh, it was pathetic, actually. she was a friend of an ex, and my ex would come home and tell me the stories she would hear from this woman. She was obsessed, kind of sad.

yeah...that is a bit unnerving...

nothing to make u feel uncomfortable like a friend who perpetuates crap into your girl's head... :rolleyes:

although men do the same thing on different accounts...

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
In all honesty I think there are a lot of women out there who would prefer an average sized man...but who wouldn't admit that because society has placed stigma's on size. People tend to think that large=powerful and that small=inadequate and that's just not the case. Not to me anyway.

Whats funny to me is that our singer, who's pretty much 100% lesbian, is OBSESSED with our ex band's drummers smallish peen... She can't go a practice without mentioning it. But she also does this whole "i like sensitive people"

Then again, dude wasn't so sensitive towards her, so maybe it's just an anger thing. Weird though.

Its all so stupid and to get hung up on something like this only gets in the way.

Pun intended? ;)

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
Whats funny to me is that our singer, who's pretty much 100% lesbian, is OBSESSED with our ex band's drummers smallish peen... She can't go a practice without mentioning it. But she also does this whole "i like sensitive people"

Then again, dude wasn't so sensitive towards her, so maybe it's just an anger thing. Weird though.

Pun intended? ;)

Maybe she suffers from penis envy?? Even if his is small, he has one and she doesn't!

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
yeah...that is a bit unnerving...

nothing to make u feel uncomfortable like a friend who perpetuates crap into your girl's head... :rolleyes:

ah, sorry, it didn't cause us any problems (none there anyway). She just had to come home and tell me cause she was sort of amazed that this woman was so obsessed. Truly bizarre and we actually laughed a couple times - but in the end it was more of a self destructive pattern than anything else.....

MM: ha, saw that but went with it anyway ;)

D

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
Maybe she suffers from penis envy?? Even if his is small, he has one and she doesn't!

That's what I think was the problem with this girl myself....

D

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 09:29 AM

So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? I mean, do the same things apply there as they do to men's penises?

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? I mean, do the same things apply there as they do to men's penises?

Why not? - for me its all good - except fake. I dated a woman who had implants and it just wasn't right.

But there are some good reasons for getting implants - the extremely huge ones are not nice though.

I was watching a show on the Discovery Channel that discussed the issue, even giving a woman larger than normal breast and following her with a camera. Almost every guy she passed in the street turned and looked and quite a few said something.

Then they did it again without the augmentation - nada.

Guys are keyed into the breasts in most cases - hardwired and we can't help it ;) But like I said, in most cases it doesn't really matter.

D

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 09:41 AM

http://hometown.aol.com/spinners110722/washdc/washmon2.jpg

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? I mean, do the same things apply there as they do to men's penises?

See, for me... it's all about eyes and the lips.

and then the skin on the face, since i'm a gazer, those things get me roped in.

Maybe i'm weird... but i've dated girls with all sorts of breast sizes and never really noticed it much until one of my friends would bring it up.

Ah well.

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 09:47 AM

A man designed and built that monument...I'm sure of it.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
A man designed and built that monument...I'm sure of it.

Of course! :D

And I'd wager that they had talked about making it even bigger ;)

But actually, it wasn't completed till after the Civil war - original plans had actually had a statue of Washington on a horse on top of the lower section (you can see the different color stone that shows the two separate construction projects).

D

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
here's a poser - if men were given the same opportunity as women who have their breasts enlarged, but in this case their penis, what would happen? ;)

(this makes the assumption that it all would *work* correctly after the surgery)

D

Well well ... i've got small boobs, and i would never make them bigger. not for me, not for a man, not for anyone. i like sports, running etc, and even a small b size feels uncomfortable, they just jump. if i had any surgery on my boobs, it would be for reduction, but i doubt any doctor would do that for something that is already smaller than average .. but hey, even if i had money to do that op, i'm pretty sure i would just spend it on computers and travelling.

Oh the men size .. i guess i qualify for the 'bigger' womens voice here, at least i'm 5'9" .. (and fit to petite sizes and to disneys kids t shirts, 9/10 y looks big, .. 6 y size makes you note my boobs, heh).

So? Size? I have never known any girls who decided that they want to have the guy that has the biggest, and would have then chosen their boyfriend according to the size of the little brother. That'd be an obsession, an insane, pervert fetish. Maybe there are girls who use that that. Would you ever want to be with such girls? Wouldn't it make you feel like she is with you only because of your .. beeep?

When we age, things change. I'm not meaning a year or two, but lets say fifty or so years. One day we'll all be old. Old classic 'people are like wine' so those who are good, and kept well. will become better. Those who can talk to you and make your face shine and make you feel impressed will still make you impressed if you encourage each other. Those who are pretty nice, those whose only nice things are a pretty face, big boobs or big little brother, .. they will just loose the face slowly, the boobs will hang on the knees and the brother will be smaller again .. what will remain? What's inside the head.

So for the long time purposes the size can be a criteria .. though i don't really know anyone who uses that for choosing a man (not even the gays i know) .. just learn to use what you have!!! it's not what you have but how you use it.

and the biggest sexual organ is brain. if you don't attract a woman or a man, and make her/him feel loved (your words, expressions, etc, use your imagination) before you ..... s/he'll feel just being f*cked, not being loved. and even if you had a really small one, use your imagination. hot showers ot baths together, do it in the car or plane etc, hug, kiss etc, make her/him feel loved.

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
See, for me... it's all about eyes and the lips.

and then the skin on the face, since i'm a gazer, those things get me roped in.

Maybe i'm weird... but i've dated girls with all sorts of breast sizes and never really noticed it much until one of my friends would bring it up.

Ah well.

And I would have pegged you to be a T&A guy!

Well, at least with guys who do have a preferrence on breast size, they can tell if they are getting what they want right from the beginning(usually). Us women, well, we have to take our chances on what we get....

Unless of course you live in Pittsburgh. There you can just ask outright ask a guy what he's got in his pants! :p (I don't think I could EVER just walk up to a guy and ask that, even being as open about sexuality as I am)

rjrufo

Oct 28, 2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? I mean, do the same things apply there as they do to men's penises?

For me, a nice firm C cup is perfect. I dated a girl with unusually large breasts, and found them too big. I've also dated a girl with small breasts, and found them too small. So I guess I'm an average guy with average tastes...

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 09:56 AM

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/titan1-icbm.jpg

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Giaguara
and the biggest sexual organ is brain.

exactly!

and krosfyter - what's all this imagery?!?:p Reminds me of the opening in Austin Powers 2 ;)

D

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 10:02 AM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/images/searstower2_skyscraper_1.jpg

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson

and krosfyter - what's all this imagery?!?:p Reminds me of the opening in Austin Powers 2 ;)

D

just my way of contributing to the thread.

;)

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Of course! :D

And I'd wager that they had talked about making it even bigger ;)

D

I'm sure they did talk about making it bigger. Look at how much bigger buildings are getting as the years go by. And once again, I'd be willing to bet that those large, tall buildings were all designed by men. Like Eye said earlier, it's all about power and the thought that bigger means better.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter
just my way of contributing to the thread.
;)

hahahaha! great to have you back! :D

D

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
Like Eye said earlier, it's all about power and the thought that bigger means better.

spoken like a true prodigy... ;)

As for breast size, it's not an issue. I've always been a leg/butt/hips man myself though. I concur with moxie on the lips & eyes, as can be main factors in physical attraction. I've tended to have more petite girlfriends in my past; usually not very big up top. My last girlfriend was pretty well built though, so I saw the light for a while. :D

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 10:14 AM

:D

ah ogranic now are we.

http://www.sporeworks.com/gal2/penis.jpg

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter
:D

ah ogranic now are we.

I sense this thread going down the drain if this keeps up...

mactastic

Oct 28, 2003, 10:20 AM

Am I going to have to dig up the Nuclear Boobies (http://biology.fullerton.edu/biol317/im/s03/ft2/ft19-01.html) and Coit Tower (http://www.inetours.com/images/Snglimgs/Coit_Tower_WS.jpg) images again?:D

Coit Tower interestingly enough, while probably designed by a man, was commisioned by a woman.

This thread rocks. Thumbs up Miss V! :cool:

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
spoken like a true prodigy... ;)

As for breast size, it's not an issue. I've always been a leg/butt/hips man myself though. I concur with moxie on the lips & eyes, as can be main factors in physical attraction. I've tended to have more petite girlfriends in my past; usually not very big up top. My last girlfriend was pretty well built though, so I saw the light for a while. :D

And the light was beautiful, I'm sure! Seriously, big breasts are nice, but not when they get too big. I have a friend who's very well endowed in the chest area and I find it highly unattractive. Hmm, I guess I tend to like things that are small :eek: :)

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 10:23 AM

http://www.bobandtom.com/frames/photo_of_the_day/penis_rock.jpg

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
And the light was beautiful, I'm sure! Seriously, big breasts are nice, but not when they get too big. I have a friend who's very well endowed in the chest area and I find it highly unattractive. Hmm, I guess I tend to like things that are small :eek: :)

Well, u know all about it I believe. ;)

So the question I have...what's the deal with women who like smaller men? (no penis pun intended)

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 10:28 AM

very seasonal! how appropriate.

http://people.cornell.edu/pages/pt46/pumpkin02.jpg

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
Well, u know all about it I believe. ;)

So the question I have...what's the deal with women who like smaller men? (no penis pun intended)

LOL, yes, I do know all about it! (some of it in detail!)

As to why some women like smaller men...I think that too goes back to the think about bigger=more powerful. Women don't want to feel intimidated by their guy and large men can sometimes do that. But again, it's all in the preconceived notion that society has on size...because I've dated big guys who were as sweet and gentle as can be, and I've dated small guys who were just flat out mean and formidable.

jefhatfield

Oct 28, 2003, 10:38 AM

this is becoming an obsessive thread...he he

size can be see from different angles...it's all relative...let me explain

measure from the top, where the length will be shorter because the affected area only goes from the abdomen to the tip

but measure from the bottom, and if you measure the affected area, it's almost twice as much since half of the darn thing is embedded inside...dr deal edell pointed that out again and explained that the engorged area is mostly hidden inside the body...so if you measure the undercarriage, from hole to hole, so to speak, then everybody is a foot long:p

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 10:39 AM

Well ... since you guys started posting all those pics. :D

How about THIS? (http://www.princeton.edu/~jnorair/stuff/sand_penis.jpg)

i dont believe i post that ... :rolleyes:

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 10:41 AM

so how many guys actually measure themselves?

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 10:43 AM

My wife is 6' 1" and I'm 6' 2" - she's always going on about tall guys and short women (she likes her man to be at least as tall as her) and its always funny to see some guy who's well over 6' and is with someone who's more than 1' shorter.

But, really, there are all types out there, and it really shouldn't be that difficult to find someone who's happy with you just the way you are.

Look at that whole mini-me and 6' blond thing :rolleyes: There was a thread about a ways back.

D

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 10:46 AM

well, i'm 5'9" and never had a longer time guy who was taller than me. i like tall ones yea but .. i dont like the cupboard/bodybuilder type. .. so those guys just happened to be shorter.

my cousin is 5'4". all her bfs been tall, she loves tall guys .. so like 6'5" is perfect to her taste. :D

jefhatfield

Oct 28, 2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
so how many guys actually measure themselves?

6.5 inches on top

give me a second and i will give you the bottom measurement:p :eek: :cool:

edit: oops, 5.5 inches:(

i must be one of those sensitive guys then:p

etoiles

Oct 28, 2003, 10:53 AM

p*nis size is just a metaphor for Mhz anyway, right ? Oh, wait, we have the G5 now...

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
And I would have pegged you to be a T&A guy!

Well, at least with guys who do have a preferrence on breast size, they can tell if they are getting what they want right from the beginning(usually). Us women, well, we have to take our chances on what we get....

Unless of course you live in Pittsburgh. There you can just ask outright ask a guy what he's got in his pants! :p (I don't think I could EVER just walk up to a guy and ask that, even being as open about sexuality as I am)

T&A guy? has eye been talking smack on me?

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Look at that whole mini-me and 6' blond thing :rolleyes: There was a thread about a ways back.

D what, Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman? :eek:

it would severely bother me to be with a girl who was taller than me. i guess there are some crazy radical feminists who might psychoanalyze me and tell me that it's because i have an inferiority/superiority complex about women i relate to that's tied to my height, but i'd really just say it's mostly because i like short women... never been really attracted to a girl over 5'5, most of them are in the 5'2-3 range. hah, i'm in love with a girl who's 5'1/4"... she really insists on that 1/4" too..

anyways, as to penis size... i've never taken it too seriously. besides, it seems like guys are really more talking about having "bigger balls..." (cf. ER, "that guy's balls are as big as my head!", Maddox, (http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=balls_are_huge) "My balls are huge")

even given that, though, it's no biggie. to me, penis size is only important when it comes (no pun intended) to sex, and i think sex is an experience reserved for two people in love. what cheap whore compares her lovers? sex is accepting a person as he or she is, about finding pleasure in another person. it's not about finding pleasure in what the other person is not. blah!

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
T&A guy? has eye been talking smack on me?

not today... ;)

I do think she's referring to your reference to women in clubs.

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by etoiles
p*nis size is just a metaphor for Mhz anyway, right ? Oh, wait, we have the G5 now... hint: penis is no longer a censored word. :p

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
not today... ;)

I do think she's referring to your reference to women in clubs.

haha.

I go to clubs for wine, and dancing. I'm too shy to meet women.

haha

Moxiemike

Oct 28, 2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
hint: penis is no longer a censored word. :p

LIBERATION!

PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS

Ok. I'm done now.

m

jefhatfield

Oct 28, 2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
what, Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman? :eek:

it would severely bother me to be with a girl who was taller than me. i guess there are some crazy radical feminists who might psychoanalyze me and tell me that it's because i have an inferiority/superiority complex about women i relate to that's tied to my height, but i'd really just say it's mostly because i like short women... never been really attracted to a girl over 5'5, most of them are in the 5'2-3 range. hah, i'm in love with a girl who's 5'1/4"... she really insists on that 1/4" too..

anyways, as to penis size... i've never taken it too seriously. besides, it seems like guys are really more talking about having "bigger balls..." (cf. ER, "that guy's balls are as big as my head!", Maddox, (http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=balls_are_huge) "My balls are huge")

even given that, though, it's no biggie. to me, penis size is only important when it comes (no pun intended) to sex, and i think sex is an experience reserved for two people in love. what cheap whore compares her lovers? sex is accepting a person as he or she is, about finding pleasure in another person. it's not about finding pleasure in what the other person is not. blah!

well then, did you know that as men age, their balls get larger? or at least looser...and one's nose and ears also get bigger as one enters senior citizenhood

i wonder if that will make me a brave soul when i turn 55:p

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by jefhatfield
well then, did you know that as men age, their balls get larger? or at least looser...and one's nose and ears also get bigger as one enters senior citizenhood

i wonder if that will make me a brave soul when i turn 55:p wow, maybe there is something to look forward to... as i become more and more flaccid, my balls *may* get bigger. i feel empowered. now i know why all these celebs are going after older men! a little viagra solves the flaccidness problem. big balls though...

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 11:42 AM

hmm...the ballbag does tend to get a bit larger with age...

although...I've never actually seen an older man's ballbag yet...

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
hmm...the ballbag does tend to get a bit larger with age...

although...I've never actually seen an older man's ballbag yet... yeah, that doesn't seem like an overly pleasant thought. i'll wait till i'm 50 or so and look at my own, thanks...

not that i ogle my own genitals, or anything...

frescies

Oct 28, 2003, 11:50 AM

I forgot I had a penis!

I think I measured the thing once or twice when I was a kid, getting my first erections. I was concerened about their normalcy... When I stared noticing a patern and taking hints from inuendos, Dirty speak, anatomy books, and HBO, I stopped worrying.

But I guess it's an ok size. Sex seems pretty decent... I can put just enough pressure on my GF's cervix, when I'm practically all the way in.... I can get a good grip on it, when I'm bored in the shower...

I guess it's fine! I'm comfortable naked too... In front of people I don't even know. And it's not a narcesistic thing either, since I certainly don't have a great body, or an elephantic penis.

Abstract

Oct 28, 2003, 12:01 PM

Yeah, I measured when I was young as well. I think its normal for me to have worried about Lil' Abstract's size. I haven't measured it since I was 13, probably because I realized how stupid it was to worry about it.

I'm going to assume that I'm average, and not worry about it. Actually, I haven't seen many penises in my lifetime, so I don't really know what average looks like.

And imagine what Shaq's penis would look like. Even if he was average, Lil' Shaq would still look miniscule. Poor Shaq. :(

PS: Size only doesn't matter as long as you're not small. ;)

frescies

Oct 28, 2003, 12:06 PM

OOOOOOOO..... THIS SHOULD BE A SPLIT!!!....

How about everyone's circumcision status, or what does everyone think about circumcisions

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 12:58 PM

Wow, this thread like trippled in length
(no pun intended) since I went to bed.

As to that last question, I'm jewish, so that should answer it for you.

I hope this thread has been informative (if some what irreverant) for you vniow.

Since someone brought up the circumcision issue, I'm going to ask the obvious question to the ladies here...

Do you like it one way or the other?

Abstract

Oct 28, 2003, 01:03 PM

I don't know about the ladies, but guys with circumsized penises have a greatly reduced chance of contracting HIV if they were to sleep with an HIV infected partner without knowing it (I'll assume).

Too bad I wasn't circumsized. I guess I should never go to South Africa or anything....

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 01:04 PM

circumcision has not religious significance to me, as a christian, but i was circumcised for health purposes, which i think is perfectly legitimate and probably really is better in the long run.

i can't think of any possible advantages to being "uncut," that's for sure.

sillymacgirl

Oct 28, 2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
T&A guy? has eye been talking smack on me?

Eye's right, not today he hasn't ;) he he he

And yes, I had you pegged that way due to your references to women in clubs. And also shy is the last word that comes to mind with you...at least once you listen to Eye talk :eek: :) ;)

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 01:06 PM

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 01:17 PM

Whether or not you're cicrumcised has nothing to do with catching HIV from someone while having unprotected sex.

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
Whether or not you're cicrumcised has nothing to do with catching HIV from someone while having unprotected sex. what's your reference? technically, there's a physical difference between having a foreskin and not having it, and having it most demonstrably increases your risk of getting infections &c "down there." i shouldn't be surprised if it really did make a sizable difference in your odds of contraction of aids during unprotected sex.

Abstract

Oct 28, 2003, 01:38 PM

Yes, it DOES increase your chances of contracting HIV if you were to have sex with an infected partner. Despite the tough exterior of the foreskin (if that makes sense), the foreskin contains lots of blood vessels and immune system cells (lymph nodes et al.) that makes it vulnerable to the AIDS virus. That is, after all, the type of cell that the AIDS virus mucks with. By removing the foreskin, this risk isn't there anymore, so despite accidentally sleeping with an infected partner( which doesn't automatically mean that you contract AIDS) it means that you have a decreased chance of contracting it when compared to someone who wasn't circumsized.

Man, all this HIV talk is making me horny. [/sarcasm]

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 01:45 PM

here's one:
EDIT: Correct URL
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/

i could get several more if you like. The mucous factor provided by a foreskin isn't really going to make that much of a difference in unprotected sex because the friction produced by the penis rubbing back and forth opens minute rifts in the skin which allows entry of the HIV virus.

EDIT: If you think a study from the circumcision information and resource page may be biased, here's one from pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12917962&dopt=Abstract

Basically, it says (among other things) the studies that have "shown" a link in circumcision and hiv incidence were flawed and didn't take into account a number of variables.

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
here's one:

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/

i could get several more if you like. The mucous factor provided by a foreskin isn't really going to make that much of a difference in unprotected sex because the friction produced by the penis rubbing back and forth opens minute rifts in the skin which allows entry of the HIV virus. that is the most intense false causality i have ever seen! oh my goodness! hah. sorry, but if you think that circumcision actually makes you more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior... come on, that's ludicrous.

and i would make a safe bet that such misinformed causality is what makes them suggest that it's better not to be circumcized. i'll grant that circumcision probably does not make a major difference, but that site's article was a patent misinterpretation of statistical data.

wdlove

Oct 28, 2003, 02:05 PM

I don't really think that penis size matters. It is only a matter between two individuals that love each other.

A place where penis size matters is with nursing care. When caring for older men that are incontinent, then it matters. It is important to keep the bed dry to prevent bed sores. A foley cather has side effects, the worst is infection. So an external cathether is very useful. Where the problem come in is if the penis is very small it is difficult to tape the cathether so that it remains in place.

Panther Blue

Oct 28, 2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield
on dr. dean edell's medical talk show, different men in society, who have never measured their penis, were asked to guess at their length

of all the nations, men from turkey guessed their average length to be eight inches

it turns out the real average is 6.8 inches and no culture owned up to that

eight inches may sound "normal" to many who have never measured, but that is really very large and there are prolly very few, including adult entertainers, who are 12 inches

The real average isn't 6.8, it's actually lower. I've seen tons of studies trying to get averages, and I've seen numbers as low as 4.9 and as high as 7.5 or so. There was a study done but a medical school (forget which, but it was ivy league) which stated that the average penis size for a fully-grown 24 year-old man is 5.3 inches.

I'm not going to say "I can't believe I'm posting this", because our society has a fear of sexual discussions in a civilized conversation, and there is no reason to.

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 02:42 PM

Of the circumcision ... my opinion is pretty much here: http://sexuallymutilatedchild.org/

While talking about the topic (The size and so on) .. I wonder ... if in the packet of Viagra there is something written like "If you are pregnant or breastfeeding, do not use this product (or consult your doctor)". As in the PMS pills there is a mention to not take them if you are pregnant and so on .. heh.

Anyone's friend has a pack of Viagra? Could you check that for me? Or ask the Viagra's manufacturers what they say of the use of Viagra, if you, Mr Soandso, are pregnant .. (like Arnold?) ;)

... well, if movies are better uncut, why would men be any different?

Mr. Anderson

Oct 28, 2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Giaguara
Anyone's friend has a pack of Viagra? Could you check that for me? Or ask the Viagra's manufacturers what they say of the use of Viagra, if you, Mr Soandso, are pregnant .. (like Arnold?) ;)

ha - has anyone here tried viagra? I have to say I'm a bit curious about it, even though I don't need it ;)

D

jxyama

Oct 28, 2003, 03:18 PM

i hear viagra makes your penis hard and nothing more. it doesn't make you hornier or friskier. i'd personally find it weird to be erect but not mentally so...

about viagra. pregnant women are not supposed to even touch viagra. it has coating on it to prevent accidental exposure. if the coating is broken, it can be absorbed through skin and cause birth defects. (it's not because women aren't supposed to get "erect" if you know what i mean.)

eyelikeart

Oct 28, 2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
And yes, I had you pegged that way due to your references to women in clubs. And also shy is the last word that comes to mind with you...at least once you listen to Eye talk :eek: :) ;)

and just what is that supposed to mean?! :rolleyes:

As for myself, I'm cut...and I've never tried viagra...yet.

I hear it's quite a ride though when taken recreationally. :eek: :D ;)

shadowfax

Oct 28, 2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Giaguara
Of the circumcision ... my opinion is pretty much here: http://sexuallymutilatedchild.org/

While talking about the topic (The size and so on) .. I wonder ... if in the packet of Viagra there is something written like "If you are pregnant or breastfeeding, do not use this product (or consult your doctor)". As in the PMS pills there is a mention to not take them if you are pregnant and so on .. heh.

Anyone's friend has a pack of Viagra? Could you check that for me? Or ask the Viagra's manufacturers what they say of the use of Viagra, if you, Mr Soandso, are pregnant .. (like Arnold?) ;)

... well, if movies are better uncut, why would men be any different? jeez, giaguara, penile muckraking? that's so... extremist, irrelevant... words almost fail me. i mean, come on, sexual mutilation? that's ************. i wasn't sexually mutilated. what a childish page, trying to turn circumcision into a tragedy as big as 9/11. classically thoughtless, or rather overthought sans rationality.

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 04:43 PM

I'm sorry about that first article, i was in a rush to get to class, and its not the one I meant to cite. It had a similar url and i got them confused when i posted.

chewbaccapits

Oct 28, 2003, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? ...I actually believe smaller ( I mean almost flat as well) is completely sexy.... As far as penio size, there was a time when I kinda questioned myself, but I do believe its a society thing...You hear it enough you start to believing all that crap....I don't care anymore........ being 10 inches is perfectly normal to me now.

selloutvixen

Oct 28, 2003, 04:51 PM

Another female point of view.

Size doesn't really matter, especially for those over average. Anything more than 6" is too much IMO. I don't understand why it's believed that girls dig guys that resemble Ron Jeremy downstairs.

If you treat your partner with care and give her lots of attention "in the act", so to speak, the last thing she'll be thinking about is the size of your equipment. :D

mymemory

Oct 28, 2003, 05:09 PM

After reading all this now I understand who got the idea of having a virgin bride before the wedding.... surly some one with a small member.

Big penis are not good, mine is average, when I'm in the mood is way too average and some times I can feel that I'm touching my girlfriend stomach from the inside! I mean, a bit bigger would be painful for her and she is a very tall girl. I'm 6.3 (1.89 meters) and she is 1.77 meters, I do not know how tall she is in inches.

A very small penis is too bad of course but the size is not what satisfy a woman, their pleasure place is the clitoris not the stomach. Girls need a lot of kissing and cares all over their body, that is the important thing.

As I said before, this is a new media inferiority complex to sell products.

Macco

Oct 28, 2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by iGAV
I used to know someone who went by the name of 'coke-can-kev' because of his alleged girth.... heheh.

Geez you could really strain your back with something like that :)

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size? I mean, do the same things apply there as they do to men's penises?

I like larger breasts, yes. But shape is also important to me. I like them out from the body, nice and round, and easy to hold in your hands.

Originally posted by eyelikeart
so how many guys actually measure themselves?

My ruler isn't big enough.

I'm joking. 7 inches at maximum erection.

Originally posted by frescies
OOOOOOOO..... THIS SHOULD BE A SPLIT!!!....

How about everyone's circumcision status, or what does everyone think about circumcisions

I'm partly circumcised for a valid medical reason. However, circumcision carried out for no medical reason is indeed mutilation. It causes a good deal of pain. Of course, you don't remember the pain, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. It also robs you of sexual sensitivity and makes it more difficult to masturbate.

If you clean your penis, you don't need circumcision.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 06:46 PM

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/dubai07.jpg

Sun Baked

Oct 28, 2003, 06:57 PM

At least this thread isn't quite as bad as the tongue splitting thread. :eek:

vniow

Oct 28, 2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by mactastic
This thread rocks. Thumbs up Miss V! :cool:

*giggle*

Originally posted by shadowfax
what cheap whore compares her lovers?

Hey!

Originally posted by tpjunkie
I hope this thread has been informative (if some what irreverant) for you vniow.

Yeah I guess, I didn't expect it to get this long overnight!

Macco

Oct 28, 2003, 07:13 PM

This thread is starting to get a little disgusting/obscene... serves Vniow right to make a thread about genitalia that do not concern her at all. At the same time, I think it's interesting how people are discussing this stuff so openly on this thread. Makes me wonder how much of this you would be willing to tell face-to-face to someone, much less post it on a billboard for everyone to see, which is basically what a forum site is.

EDIT - just thinking, we should really have more members posting on this thread. Teeheehee...

tpjunkie

Oct 28, 2003, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by vniow
Yeah I guess, I didn't expect it to get this long

hee hee hee!

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Sun Baked

Oct 28, 2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Macco
...EDIT - just thinking, we should really have more members posting on this thread. Teeheehee... If you can use it to type, you're definitely more skilled than the average user.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
If you can use it to type, you're definitely more skilled than the average user.

Not really, it just takes more time than otherwise...

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 08:24 PM

mymemory, 177 cm = 5'10" (your gf in inches). how tall are the people in venezuela in average? i could think you a pretty tall couple. :)

and shadowfax.. disgusted? well, not only boys get mutilated. what they do for girls is as culture-bound as what they do to boys, but i imagine you know what the results are in female body.

one hint more for guys (well girls too i guess): keep your equipment clean. choosing between a 3" and the worlds-biggest-whatever... that has a cheesy flavor or scent, i think i'd opt for the 3". but i'm not interested in getting any inches of anything except maybe more screen size ... ("click here to increase your monitor size to 23 inches...", wouldn't that spam sell? :p )

Giaguara

Oct 28, 2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
If you can use it to type, you're definitely more skilled than the average user.

hey, i'm a girl .. so all my typos aren't because ...

at least the most profilic posters cant be typing with that. i cant imagine anyone doing 30 posts with that a day ... ouch. even if some guides would tell you you'd increase its size that way ..

scem0

Oct 28, 2003, 08:48 PM

I think size does matter, but I have a feeling that I will have serious trouble explaining why I think this...

Well, let me ask you this.... Do you prefer long slender fingers, short fat fingers, long fat fingers, or short skinny fingers? When looking for a significant other so you try to take assesment of what their fingers look like?

I think penis size is the same way. Its all a matter of preference. Some girls prefer a big penis. If that is the case and you like the girl, but you have a small penis then try telling me that penis size doesnt matter. But I would never get involved with anyone who would take penis size that seriously.

Having a good, meaningful relationship is about accepting people dispite their 'shortcommings' :eek: :p :p :D, and loving them despite their imperfections :D.

But I don't think penis length matters more than hair length, finger length, toe length, arm length, nose length, etc.

scem0

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 08:51 PM

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/kl009.jpg

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 09:06 PM

phil of macs got the idea.

rock on!

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 09:07 PM

It would be tasteless to post the World Trade Center so I won't.

tazo

Oct 28, 2003, 09:22 PM

It matters if you think it does...yeah how about that for a piece straight of psych 101 ;)

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 09:37 PM

http://www.space.edu/projects/book/pics/saturn5.jpg

Stelliform

Oct 28, 2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
and makes it more difficult to masturbate.

...

:D

interesting point....

I don't know what to make of that... :D

but interesting point... :D

Phil Of Mac

Oct 28, 2003, 10:29 PM

In more puritanical times, this was the purpose of circumcision. We don't want those boys jerking off, you know, they might get the idea that sex is fun! :rolleyes:

true777

Oct 29, 2003, 03:38 AM

When I had my baby son 2 years ago, I had to decide whether to have him circumsized, so I had a long discussion with the doctors at Stanford University Medical Center where he was born. They said that there is no evidence that circumcision has any health benefits whatsoever, and it is therefore now regarded as a purely cosmetic issue.

I still decided to have my son circumsized as I personally prefer the way it looks. It is NOT painful nowadays because local anesthesia is used. The site is slightly reddened for a few days but doesn't seem to cause the baby any real discomfort.

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by true777
When I had my baby son 2 years ago, I had to decide whether to have him circumsized, so I had a long discussion with the doctors at Stanford University Medical Center where he was born. They said that there is no evidence that circumcision has any health benefits whatsoever, and it is therefore now regarded as a purely cosmetic issue.

I still decided to have my son circumsized as I personally prefer the way it looks. It is NOT painful nowadays because local anesthesia is used. The site is slightly reddened for a few days but doesn't seem to cause the baby any real discomfort. oh no, sexual mutilation! you should be arrested :eek:

:rolleyes:

i guess you're right, it's probably really only cosmetic and/or religious these days.

true777

Oct 29, 2003, 03:54 AM

On a different note, I completely agree with Giaguara that there are *lots* of other turn-offs for girls, but that penis size is certainly not one of them.

So if you guys want to obsess about something, don't worry about size, but about *real* turn-offs such as the following:

Tidy whities or rips/tears in underwear.
Body odor of any kind, especially when covered up with cheap deodorant.
Wearing socks (especially white) while being otherwise naked.
Wearing a t-shirt while being otherwise naked.
Dirty sheets or towels, or a dirty bathroom.
Smoke or alcohol breath or other bad breath.
Telling a girl about your abs/biceps/workout schedule, or what a stud you are.
Getting down to business too fast, without much regard for the girl's personality, obviously mostly caring about her physical assets.
Switching channels on the remote while kissing/making out in bed.

...

etc.

So... there's a lot of room for improvement without that penis enlargement.

There's also lots of positive things that'll make a girl feel ready for you that don't involve penis enlargements, such as flowers, telling her she's beautiful, noticing her pretty outfit/cool shoes, cooking her dinner, reading her a chapter of her favorite book in bed, long kissing -- all the stereotypical things really work when they come from the heart. Of course the number one turn-on for girls will always be true love (but in absence of that, romance will go a long way ;) ).

Good luck to all you guys in your bedroom efforts! :)

And remember: Small is cute, large is obnoxious!

true777

Oct 29, 2003, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
oh no, sexual mutilation! you should be arrested :eek:

I should be arrested for lots of things, but not for this :)

Hey, no arrest threatening, Shadowfax, or I'll sexually mutilate you with your own sledgehammer when you come over to my house as promised in the other thread :p

Just kidding.

airmac

Oct 29, 2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
ha - has anyone here tried viagra? I have to say I'm a bit curious about it, even though I don't need it ;)

D

it's quite amazing. And my personal issue about this thread, size does matters..imo.

lmalave

Oct 29, 2003, 06:26 AM

Size does matter, at least for most women I've talked to. Any guy who thinks otherwise is just denying reality.

Then again, most women I've talked to have also said that it's a relatively small consideration (pun intended). You can be great in bed with small equipment, or you can be lousy in bed with larger equipment. In my experience the most important factor is how turned on the woman is. And of course, every woman is different in terms of what turns her on, so you'll have to figure out what works for her.

Just remember, the most important sexual organ you have is up here [ taps forehead ] ;)

iAlan

Oct 29, 2003, 07:57 AM

Average size is also related to race (and to a degree body type). I know this sounds stereotypical or a generalization as there are extemes at both ends of the scale in all races. But experience tells me that some are smaller on average. I am gay and living in Japan. I have met hung Japanese guys, but would have to say that a larger percentage (well over 70%) of the Japanese guys I have seen are smaller, not a lot smaller, but smaller. Actually, when 'soft' the size of Japanese guys is reasonable, but there is not much growth when 'hard'. This may have a lot to do with body size as well, as most Japanses boys are slightly shorter in height and not overweight. it has been reported that as your weight increases (around the waist line in particular) the amount of penis that is 'outside' the body decreases, that you loose 'soft' length, but the erect size is not lost. I have a bit of a waist (well, a beer-gut actually) and my soft penis is a little squat looking, however, my erect penis is just over 7 inches and that is enough for me. No complaints with that.

Sorry to sound stereotypical with the above comments.

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by true777
I should be arrested for lots of things, but not for this :)

Hey, no arrest threatening, Shadowfax, or I'll sexually mutilate you with your own sledgehammer when you come over to my house as promised in the other thread :p

Just kidding. Originally posted by Giaguara
Of the circumcision ... my opinion is pretty much here: http://sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ she's the one you're looking for, officer, i were only jokin'! ;)

Ugg

Oct 29, 2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Abstract
I don't know about the ladies, but guys with circumsized penises have a greatly reduced chance of contracting HIV if they were to sleep with an HIV infected partner without knowing it (I'll assume).

Too bad I wasn't circumsized. I guess I should never go to South Africa or anything....

That is a fallacy that has been spread by pro-circ doctors. For more information on circumcision and the transmission of STDs go to www.cirp.org (http://www.cirp.org) a recent article (http://www.cirp.org/news/mrcsa07-18-03/) states that there is no conclusive proof and previous studies have been very shoddy in their methodology.

If the premise were true, then the US with it's traditionally high circ rates should have a lower HIV and STD rate than Europe. The exact opposite is true.

Ugg

Oct 29, 2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
jeez, giaguara, penile muckraking? that's so... extremist, irrelevant... words almost fail me. i mean, come on, sexual mutilation? that's ************. i wasn't sexually mutilated. what a childish page, trying to turn circumcision into a tragedy as big as 9/11. classically thoughtless, or rather overthought sans rationality.

It is mutilitation though and the risk of surgery on newborns is very high. Until recently no anaesthesia was used during the surgery due to the fact that it was thought that newborns didn't have fully developed pain sensors. The complication risks of RIC, routine infant circumcision are huge. Infection, amputation, etc. For those with botched circumcisions like mine, the risks are far too great and RIC should be banned. There is no ethical, moral or medical reason for the procedure and fortunately the circ rate in this country has dropped dramatically and many state health systems and some insurance companies no longer cover it. Circumcision has no place in modern medicine and it's time that it is stopped.

Incidentally, I am restoring my foreskin and the sensations are amazing. I would suggest that you take a closer look at the issues before you so damningly condemn those who speak out against such a barbaric procedure.

eyelikeart

Oct 29, 2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by true777

Good luck to all you guys in your bedroom efforts! :)

And remember: Small is cute, large is obnoxious!

I hope u know that u are on the verge of becoming every guy's fantasy geek girl around here. ;)

sillymacgirl

Oct 29, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
and just what is that supposed to mean?! :rolleyes:

As for myself, I'm cut...and I've never tried viagra...yet.

I hear it's quite a ride though when taken recreationally. :eek: :D ;)

Yeah...quite a ride for the woman if it makes you stay hard longer!

And cut looks much nicer...but a man being uncut has it's advantages for women also.

ColoJohnBoy

Oct 29, 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by true777
And remember: Small is cute, large is obnoxious!

Now I say the following out of total agreement with the above statement, and not to.... well, toot my own horn. Large is obnoxious. For one thing, my activities in the bedroom are quite limited due to my size, so I'm often relegated to a select few activities when I would much rather be doing all sorts of things, simply because the guy that I'm with isn't, uhhhh, "capable of dealing with it". (I'm trying to be as modest as possible.)

The other problem is those random times during the day when Mr. Bigglesworth (Yes, he has a name) gets very, very excited without reason or provocation from me. It becomes very difficult to conceal him. This posed quite the problem when I was waiting tables.

As to circumcision, I was born at home and am uncircumcised. Every guy I've been with who wasn't has commented that he wished he wasn't. Yeah, it's a purely cosmetic issue, but I rather like not being circumcised.

Giaguara

Oct 29, 2003, 10:44 AM

yea, true had a nice list of turnoffs and turnons to start with... :)

i like though the natural scent of many skins. that doesn't mean unswhowered .. every skin has different smell, of your own habits, enzymes and hormones etc, depending also on what you eat, of your race and so and so on. not all bodies have a pleasant (for everyone) scent. but those that smell nice, turn more on than off.

cooking? i think it can turn most girls on .. uf you cook for her/him, love what you are doing, that's secret n 1 in kitchen. no scientific evidence i guess (or how to measure it?) but generally those who love cooking cook better. it does not mean you would have to be a professional chef; any food you make ... like doing it. (and, there are of course girls who are paranoid about food, or who don't like you invading 'their' territory and so on)

mactastic

Oct 29, 2003, 10:51 AM

I agree, my cooking is one of the things my wife always cites as one of my "major pluses". I love working in the kitchen, espescially now that I have a decent collection of sharp knives and all-clad pots and pans, and a dishwasher to clean them all for me. Can't wait till thanksgiving. Spice rubbed roasted turkey, mashed potatoes with blue cheese and carmelized onions, skillet green beans with orange essence and toasted pecans, apple cranberry chutney, and pumpkin cheesecake are all on the menu. :p

asphalt-proof

Oct 29, 2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
And my comfortable and reliable Saab. ;)

Haha.

I can't say much for my Pinto... Small, poor gas mileage, unreliable, and may explode if hit from the rear>:D

jelloshotsrule

Oct 29, 2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by eyelikeart
but when a girlfriend says that it's almost as bad as when someone's mom compliments them on something. :rolleyes:

what if your mom says that?

hmmmm

igav- i have heard about such girth... from my gay suitemate a few years back. i was in pain at the thought.......

i would be obsessed with my size but you need to have something to be obsessed with first i'd think.

eyelikeart

Oct 29, 2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
what if your mom says that?

heh...yeah....riiigghhhttt.... ;)

seriously though...is it feasible to think that most nice girlfriends would make their men feel good about their size rather then shoot their confidence down to an alltime low?

mrjamin

Oct 29, 2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
you can still get circumsized as an adult....

i was done a couple of weeks after my 18th birthday. Couldn't walk properly for near on 3 weeks. Thats another story.

iGav

Oct 29, 2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by mrjamin
i was done a couple of weeks after my 18th birthday. Couldn't walk properly for near on 3 weeks. Thats another story.

wasn't a present I hope.... :eek: :eek: :p

Mr. Anderson

Oct 29, 2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by mrjamin
i was done a couple of weeks after my 18th birthday. Couldn't walk properly for near on 3 weeks. Thats another story.

ouch! Not right.

So as some who's had things in both configurations - which do you prefer?

D

mrjamin

Oct 29, 2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
ouch! Not right.

So as some who's had things in both configurations - which do you prefer?

D

hehe, well, i'm a virgin and plan on staying like that until i'm married so with regards to 'the wild thing' i'm not in any position to comment. Having said that, now i'm down to 3 skins its much less maintenance and it 'grew' a good inch after the op. (no, that wasn't due to post-op swelling).

The doctor gave me the full low-down on the advantages (well, he described them as differences) and they DEFINATELY sound like a bonus. Mainly with reference to the kinds of sensations and ability to 'cope' with them for a longer period of time, if you know what i mean. I'm very much looking forward to my wedding night ;)

This is all getting very graphic: there are kids browsing these boards!

eyelikeart

Oct 29, 2003, 01:44 PM

wow...that's gotta be rough...3 weeks... :eek:

and graphic yes...although I'm somewhat curious...

wdlove

Oct 29, 2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by mactastic
I agree, my cooking is one of the things my wife always cites as one of my "major pluses". I love working in the kitchen, espescially now that I have a decent collection of sharp knives and all-clad pots and pans, and a dishwasher to clean them all for me. Can't wait till thanksgiving. Spice rubbed roasted turkey, mashed potatoes with blue cheese and carmelized onions, skillet green beans with orange essence and toasted pecans, apple cranberry chutney, and pumpkin cheesecake are all on the menu. :p

Your Thanksgiving meal trimings sound delicious mactastic. Remind me to never cause you to be angry with me, because of your knife collection. Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

jefhatfield

Oct 29, 2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by mactastic
I agree, my cooking is one of the things my wife always cites as one of my "major pluses". I love working in the kitchen, espescially now that I have a decent collection of sharp knives and all-clad pots and pans, and a dishwasher to clean them all for me. Can't wait till thanksgiving. Spice rubbed roasted turkey, mashed potatoes with blue cheese and carmelized onions, skillet green beans with orange essence and toasted pecans, apple cranberry chutney, and pumpkin cheesecake are all on the menu. :p

mashed potatoes with blue cheese?

now that sounds delicious, but fattening....big time

when i come over to your neck of the woods in slo-town, i love the bbq joints in town..that one of upper higuera, the one on lower higuera or marsh, and of course, mcclintock's...omg, i have to go there as soon as i get some time off:D

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 02:41 PM

well the topic of the thread to begin with was a little risque...speaking of which, we havent heard anything from vniow on the subject in a while

jefhatfield

Oct 29, 2003, 02:47 PM

i think it's a good topic and shows that most of us are not obsessed with size...of a penis or breasts

i better watch my weight, because i fear i could end up with some big, award winning man tits;) :p

vniow

Oct 29, 2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
well the topic of the thread to begin with was a little risque...speaking of which, we havent heard anything from vniow on the subject in a while

Yo, I'm here, just watching from afar, I don't have a lot of time to check the forums so I'm browsing here at work, very interesting conversation and I never expected it to go in the directions that it has.

Another question, has anyone gotton anything pierced down there? I've thought about it myself but am a bit too squeamish......

jefhatfield

Oct 29, 2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by vniow
Yo, I'm here, just watching from afar, I don't have a lot of time to check the forums so I'm browsing here at work, very interesting conversation and I never expected it to go in the directions that it has.

Another question, has anyone gotton anything pierced down there? I've thought about it myself but am a bit too squeamish......

many moons ago, i got one ear pierced and that was with the times

but then through much of the 90s, men started piecing on both sides and having one side pierced was only a sign that you were from the 70s or 80s and thus behind the times

but now, things have reverted back to one ear again and nobody hip will pierce both ears

it's kind of like jeans..the distressed look, then tight, then acid washed, then loose, then tight again, now the distressed look again

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 02:59 PM

man, if only guys' hearts were as big as their dicks, then the world would be a better place.

jelloshotsrule

Oct 29, 2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
man, if only guys' hearts were as big as their dicks, then the world would be a better place.

profound.... and true

though, maybe a bit more accurate.... if only guys' hearts were as big as they wished their dicks were...

Macco

Oct 29, 2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
If you can use it to type, you're definitely more skilled than the average user.

Just so that everyone understands the joke I was trying to make, I meant member as in your post status. But I think most people probably understood, and Sun Baked was taking my joke to another level that I lack the intelligence to realize. Then again, maybe he thought I was actually trying to type with my penis. Hmm...

maradong

Oct 29, 2003, 03:38 PM

frescies

Oct 29, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by true777

There's also lots of positive things that'll make a girl feel ready for you that don't involve penis enlargements, such as flowers, telling her she's beautiful, noticing her pretty outfit/cool shoes, cooking her dinner, reading her a chapter of her favorite book in bed, long kissing -- all the stereotypical things really work when they come from the heart. Of course the number one turn-on for girls will always be true love (but in absence of that, romance will go a long way ;) ).

Good luck to all you guys in your bedroom efforts! :)

And remember: Small is cute, large is obnoxious!

Ok I have to pick this appart. A lot of guys out there (or at least me) don't like your hypothetical girl, who's pleased by cookie cutter, cheezy attempts to gain attention.

"here! have some flowers. Oh no need to thank ME! Thank you! Fortunately your unoriginal obsession with dead foilage is easy to satisfy. Sorry I couldn't find you a dead rat."

"Man you're beautiful. No, seriously you are!!! :D. NO really You are :D. I could argue this all day... it's much easier than thinking of a real compliment :D"

"Nice outfit and shoes! Wow, those are certainly interesting and match you perfectly! I can't even imagine the countless, and meaningless, hours spent trying to pick out such ammenities! Bravo! Compared to you, I have a life!"

(Cooking dinner for her is ok... but shouldn't turn anyone on, unless it's damn good food... like mine)

Reading her a chapter in her favorite book would get really old REALLY fast. Lets face it. If you TRUELY want to be romantic, think of things that can be repeated over and over, and not get old. How about reading her a chapter in a book YOU read that you thought she would like, or would have something interesting to comment on, and thus you could spark an interesting conversation. I think that would be better)

(long kissing... I suppose....)

Basically all the stereotypical things, work on your stereotypical girl.

-false777

</sarcasm></prickish remarks>

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 03:56 PM

Circumcision is something that shouldn't be done to someone without their consent.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 03:58 PM

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/singapore16.jpg

Singapore. Who says Asians are smaller? ;)

frescies

Oct 29, 2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Circumcision is something that shouldn't be done to someone without their consent.

Eh.. I think I'd circumcize my son, if I had one (OH GOD NO I HOPE I DON'T).

I want him to be able to have more fun masturbating. And I'd also like for him to experience vaginal friction, rather than just slip around in his own forskin.

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Circumcision is something that shouldn't be done to someone without their consent. hey, kid, can we cut your foreskin off? crying means yes, laughing means no....

*pokes kid in stomach and glares*

heh...

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by vniow
Yo, I'm here, just watching from afar, I don't have a lot of time to check the forums so I'm browsing here at work, very interesting conversation and I never expected it to go in the directions that it has.

Another question, has anyone gotton anything pierced down there? I've thought about it myself but am a bit too squeamish.....

I have not, but I know of (through friends) two people who have, (and one girl with a nipple pierced, but thats not really the same). Apparently, for the guys, it makes urination a messy task that is sometimes better done sitting down or at a urinal. Depending on where the piercing is, it can either be for increasing his sensitivity or hers (or any partner, i'd imagine) I've heard for girls, its really about increasing their own pleasure, although i'd have to imagine that it'd hurt like hell (not like it probably doesn't for guys, but for girls, there's definitely a higher concentration of nerves in that small area.

EDIT: This topic's got to be an interesting one to be caught reading at work

Macco

Oct 29, 2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
Apparently, for the guys, it makes urination a messy task that is sometimes better done sitting down or at a urinal.

Um... there's another way to do it? Perhaps you mean "better done sitting down than at a urinal." Then again, maybe you mean "better done sitting down or at a urinal than through your nose while standing on one arm." It's hard to tell with these MacRumors people. :)

Originally posted by tpjunkie

EDIT: This topic's got to be an interesting one to be caught reading at work
Nope, I think the best recently was the "Macs and Sexuality" thread. I was reading it at school, and I swear that I heard the computer guy talking about it with one of my teachers :p.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 29, 2003, 04:36 PM

In the topic of the thread - there is a local DC entertainment/alternative newspaper that's free called The City Paper. Great stuff and occasionally I read the want ads.

Under Male Looking for Female (it went something like this)

Worlds smallest penis looking for worlds smallest vagina.

There was more, but it was quite a while ago.

Is there a point to this post? Well, reiterating several others - there are all types of people who have all sorts of preferences and all types of sizes of pieces parts. There is something for everybody. ;)

D

wdlove

Oct 29, 2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
man, if only guys' hearts were as big as their dicks, then the world would be a better place.

My heart is large figuratively and emotionally. I agree with you shadowfax. It can also cause a world of pain.

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 05:23 PM

Macco, what I meant was a toilet would be a poor choice, as there would be spray and split stream everywhere. At a urinal, its pretty much contained, but standing at a toilet....not a good idea.

rainman::|:|

Oct 29, 2003, 05:39 PM

i wish my parents had not circumcised me. i have considered the restoration but it's too intensive for me, as well as the fact that my partner told me he'd leave me (i think he was joking... ), so it's just a dream.

as to the original topic, if i may return to it, i once dated a guy that had a penis so small that he could not penetrate someone. not entirely, anyway. his testicles were sized accordingly, which made it really disturbing-- he had to have some medical condition (he refuses to this day to ask a doctor)... on the other hand, he's one of my favorite memories, in terms of sex.

maybe later i'll measure and give everyone TMI... or draw a diagram or something... lol...

btw piercings = turnoff. bothers me a lot...

pnw

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by frescies
Eh.. I think I'd circumcize my son, if I had one (OH GOD NO I HOPE I DON'T).

I want him to be able to have more fun masturbating. And I'd also like for him to experience vaginal friction, rather than just slip around in his own forskin.

Having a foreskin helps masturbating quite a bit. HAVING a foreskin. As I said before, the reason circumcision was once so popular is because circumcision makes masturbation harder.

Also, if you're circumcised, you lose some ability to feel sexual pleasure as the sensitive foreskin is lost and the head of the penis is deadened.

One can also temporarily expose the glans and experience the advantages of having an exposed glans by pulling back the foreskin before penetration.

Originally posted by shadowfax
hey, kid, can we cut your foreskin off? crying means yes, laughing means no....

*pokes kid in stomach and glares*

heh...

It's called waiting until he's old enough to decide for himself, like one of the fellows on this thread did.

Originally posted by Macco
Um... there's another way to do it? Perhaps you mean "better done sitting down than at a urinal." Then again, maybe you mean "better done sitting down or at a urinal than through your nose while standing on one arm." It's hard to tell with these MacRumors people. :)

I thought he meant, "As opposed to in da bushes."

BTW, piercings disturb me.

scem0

Oct 29, 2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by paulwhannel

btw piercings = turnoff. bothers me a lot...

pnw

ewwwwwwwww anyone who inserts anything into their penis is insane.

that is really gross. Think of if you were turning around in the shower and the ring got cought on something and it ripped out.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It pains me to think about it ;).

scem0

mrjamin

Oct 29, 2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Also, if you're circumcised, you lose some ability to feel sexual pleasure as the sensitive foreskin is lost and the head of the penis is deadened.

yes, that is true BUT the uncircumcised can only cope with a bit of stimulation to the glans before it becomes too much BUT the circumcised can cope with a nicer feeling for alonger period of time. I speak from experience on this one, and i say thats a bonus

Giaguara

Oct 29, 2003, 05:55 PM

or it stucking on her/his tongue piercing.... awww.. :eek:

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by mrjamin
yes, that is true BUT the uncircumcised can only cope with a bit of stimulation to the glans before it becomes too much BUT the circumcised can cope with a nicer feeling for alonger period of time. I speak from experience on this one, and i say thats a bonus

This is the purpose of covering the glans with the foreskin.

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 06:46 PM

Yeah, but the glans is where the most intense pleasure is.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
Yeah, but the glans is where the most intense pleasure is.

Especially if you're uncircumcised ;)

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 07:21 PM

Dude, mrjamin knows from where he speaks. I'm gonna side with him on this one, and be especially glad i had mine done when I was 8 days old.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 07:23 PM

If you want to be circumcised, it's up to you, it's your penis. Or at least it should be up to you, which is the only issue I have with it.

Danger! Will

Oct 29, 2003, 07:51 PM

You measured up allready Paul?

wdlove

Oct 29, 2003, 08:14 PM

I was circumcised as an infant. Have no regrets about having it done. You can't miss something that you never had. I would not want any reconstruction now, what ask for pain.

Macco

Oct 29, 2003, 09:07 PM

I'm Jewish, so I was circumcised at a very young age. I've sort of wondered at times what it would be like if I wasn't, but it hasn't really bothered me all that much. By the way, I don't consider myself a victim of genital mutilation or any of that crap.

Giaguara

Oct 29, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
I was circumcised as an infant. Have no regrets about having it done. You can't miss something that you never had. I would not want any reconstruction now, what ask for pain.

well, that argument could be valid for the (mostly african) women that are ... well, (sexually) mutilated too. you can't miss having something in your body that you don't remember having, and that your mum, sisters, grandmas etc don't have either ...

Durandal7

Oct 29, 2003, 09:20 PM

Amazing. The site has evolved from Mac vs. PC debates to Conservative vs. Liberal debates and now into Circumsized vs. Uncircumsized debates. I suppose it was inevitable, everything seems to come back to genitalia at some point.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 29, 2003, 09:26 PM

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/bangkok02.jpg

wrc fan

Oct 29, 2003, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Giaguara
and that your mum, sisters, grandmas etc don't have either ...

So are you saying there is sexual mutilation happening to woman in non-"3rd world" countries? I'm just asking cause I wasn't aware that there was.

As for me, I'm circumsized, but I would never do it to my child.

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It's called waiting until he's old enough to decide for himself, like one of the fellows on this thread did. yeah right. it's really too late then. as mrjamin said, he was down for the count for weeks. it's really best to do it in infancy.

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Macco
I'm Jewish, so I was circumcised at a very young age. I've sort of wondered at times what it would be like if I wasn't, but it hasn't really bothered me all that much. By the way, I don't consider myself a victim of genital mutilation or any of that crap. right on. i'm not jewish, but i was circumcised; i admit that i'm curious about what it would be like to be uncut, but it seems rational to me that i would wonder what it'd be like to be circumcised if i weren't. and again, i don't feel like my parents betrayed my manhood, or mutilated it, or anything like that. to me that just seems like self-piteous bull. it's not like somebody cut your damn leg off or lacerated your face. sheesh.

tpjunkie

Oct 29, 2003, 10:33 PM

I have heard that the ladies do like the circumcised penis. Although, I have not heard this directly, so I suppose this is hear-say. Any ladies out there care to enlighten us?

Giaguara

Oct 29, 2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by oaklandbum
So are you saying there is sexual mutilation happening to woman in non-"3rd world" countries? I'm just asking cause I wasn't aware that there was.

People bring their habits to where they move, whether legal or not. And the female sexual mutilation that once happened in africa and middle east (btw, it was not bound or limited only to muslim cultures, so there were/are cultures where it was as bound to other religions as well, including christians), has been one of the habits brang to the countries where the people have emigrated. some coutnries where it was practiced, but not as solely in those, include somalia and eritrea. i don't want to underline those specificly as it's been rather widely spread phenomenon. anyway, where the emigrants arrive, and they have kids .. there is a request for such procedure. i'm sure it's been asked for in many places ... i remember hearing/having read about something of it being practisced e.g. in uk (so many foreigners, different cultures, and i'm sure there are far weirder habits too) and sweden. i'm sure it's done in other places too, including big cities in us, .. and in some coutnreis where it's not possible to do it (it may not be legal in other, but it still can be done. as long as there is a doctor - or someone - who wants to do it, gets paid enough, and of course as long as there are parents requesting it to be done to their girls) by law, and where the law is respected enough to not find anyone doing it, some african etc origin people will make a trip to their old home country with their daughter and have the procedure done there.

i don't know of the numbers or estimates of the women having had that done, in rich world/poor world/ all world. do any of you have any numbers at the reach of a click?

.. aw, i wanted to eat something. suddenly i'm not hungry ..

wrc fan

Oct 29, 2003, 11:34 PM

that is so sad. i can't believe that the woman after immigrating don't change their view on it, the men i can understand since men usually are close-minded in regards to women.

Giaguara

Oct 29, 2003, 11:51 PM

they consider it a part of their culture, like jews consider the male cisrcumcision as part of their culture. women in those countries where they (women) are ... treated, often feel the daughter will not be valuable, will not be able to marry etc, if she will not have that procedure. it will take to about 2nd generation of emigrants to realize that (roughly, depends of course on cases).

Phil Of Mac

Oct 30, 2003, 12:14 AM

Of course, doing it to *girls* is a human rights violation...

tpjunkie

Oct 30, 2003, 12:16 AM

When girls are "circumcised," usually the entire clitoris is removed. Thats a major difference from male circumcision.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 30, 2003, 12:52 AM

Do people really think it's okay just to remove the hood of the clitoris?

tpjunkie

Oct 30, 2003, 07:30 AM

This debate is really getting off the thread topic.

maradong

Oct 30, 2003, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Durandal7
Amazing. The site has evolved from Mac vs. PC debates to Conservative vs. Liberal debates and now into Circumsized vs. Uncircumsized debates. I suppose it was inevitable, everything seems to come back to genitalia at some point.
freud fan ? ;-)

mactastic

Oct 30, 2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by wdlove
Your Thanksgiving meal trimings sound delicious mactastic. Remind me to never cause you to be angry with me, because of your knife collection. Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Hehe... No need to worry, I'm not overly prone to violence! And as far as I am concerned, checking to see how sharp someones knives are is the quickest way to check how good of a cook that person is. Dull knives make cooking a much less enjoyable experience IMHO, as do crappy pans and a lack of the right equipment.

Originally posted by jefhatfield
mashed potatoes with blue cheese?

now that sounds delicious, but fattening....big time

when i come over to your neck of the woods in slo-town, i love the bbq joints in town..that one of upper higuera, the one on lower higuera or marsh, and of course, mcclintock's...omg, i have to go there as soon as i get some time

Those potatoes are awesome! Onions carmelized to the point that they are the color of a seared steak, they are so sweet at that point. Yeah, I do tend to go off a little with the fats over the holidays. Portion control is the key. I plan on handing out most of the leftovers to guests that day. Come on down, I'll fix you up a plate!

Most of those recipes have come from Cooks Illustrated magazine over the last year. It's an excellent resource for amateur chefs. It's done by the same people that do Consumer Reports magazine with the same methods. Blind taste tests, equipment recomendations that aren't funded by the manufacturers etc.

BTW, if you want a good steak in this area, there is a place called McPhee's in Templeton that is phenomenol. Also a steakhouse in Guadalupe who's name escapes me, but that is also excellent.:D

And back on topic, with female circumcision the woman's clitoris is removed, making sex a joyless experience for many that can't have vaginal orgasms from what I hear. The equivelant procedure would be something akin to removing the head of the penis for men I think.

Giaguara

Oct 30, 2003, 10:32 AM

I find it actually quite interesting that in the human rights there is nothing said about e.g. untouchability of the person. So no right defined to universally allow you to choose whether or not you have sex at all, or e.g. anything about the reproductional rights; whetehr you want kids or not. Right to found a family and so on, but no right (mostly would be useful for women I assume?) to not be supposed/forced to have sex.

Anyway .. back to topic. Learn to use it, keep it clean and make your partner feel loved (also words, gestures, hugs etc), and the rest shouldn't matter really. If I like someone I would not want to change him if I'd just discover he'd have too small or too big or cut or uncut. :)

vniow

Oct 30, 2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

BTW, piercings disturb me.

Eh well, its not your clit, hee hee....

Phil Of Mac

Oct 30, 2003, 01:43 PM

http://www.snopes.com/movies/graphics/c-3p0.jpg

tpjunkie

Oct 30, 2003, 02:04 PM

Ok, that pic was just disturbing.

vniow- would you be getting a piercing down there for aesthetic reasons or ...erm.. "other" reasons ;)

vniow

Oct 30, 2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
vniow- would you be getting a piercing down there for aesthetic reasons or ...erm.. "other" reasons ;)

Both actually, it'll be awhile before I do anything about it though, I haven't even got my ears pierced yet much less my clit, plus I'm not exactly all to comfortable down there anywayz so maybe in a year or so.....

wdlove

Oct 30, 2003, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by vniow
Both actually, it'll be awhile before I do anything about it though, I haven't even got my ears pierced yet much less my clit, plus I'm not exactly all to comfortable down there anywayz so maybe in a year or so.....

My concern for you vinow is that you choose the person to do the piercing very carefully. That they are licensed and sterilize there equipment. The item to be inserted should be certified to be sterile. The ear is important but your clitoral area would be a serious step. The need to prevent an infection is paramount. Please promise me that you will be careful vinow!

Phil Of Mac

Oct 30, 2003, 05:33 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/lonerspath/images/echeese.jpg

tpjunkie

Oct 30, 2003, 06:37 PM

Sun Baked

Oct 30, 2003, 06:43 PM

If somebody named Lorena Bobbit offers to do the piercing -- RUN.

mrjamin

Oct 30, 2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
If somebody named Lorena Bobbit offers to do the piercing -- RUN. that was the name of the woman who did my circumcision

Sun Baked

Oct 30, 2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by mrjamin
that was the name of the woman who did my circumcision Poor John, look's like your dreams of a porn career were cut short by your wife.

Even though the doctors did all they can to lengthen it.

Macco

Oct 30, 2003, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by mrjamin
Having said that, now i'm down to 3 skins its much less maintenance and it 'grew' a good inch after the op. (no, that wasn't due to post-op swelling).

Haha it took me a really long time to figure that out. I'm assuming it's a pun -- foreskin as in "four skins." Hahahahaha

tpjunkie

Oct 30, 2003, 10:54 PM

Did you know that john bobbit actually starred in a porno, AFTER the whole penis-chopping incident?

Sun Baked

Oct 30, 2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
Did you know that john bobbit actually starred in a porno, AFTER the whole penis-chopping incident? Yes...

But it was a rather short career in porn.

tazo

Oct 30, 2003, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Yes...

But it was a rather short career in porn.
oh my dear god....

I can't imagine anyone buying *that* porno....

Sun Baked

Oct 30, 2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by tazo
oh my dear god....

I can't imagine anyone buying *that* porno.... Oh God, I actually remember the video's name. :eek:

http://www.evn.com/frank.gif

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=159994

tazo

Oct 30, 2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Oh God, I actually remember the video's name. :eek:

http://www.evn.com/frank.gif

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=159994

sun baked,

ya have issues :p

absolut_mac

Oct 30, 2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by sillymacgirl
So while we are on this subject, is it ok to ask what men think about women's breast size?

Size is not important to me. However, some shapes are sexier to these eyes than others. AND, the *headlights* ALWAYS take precedence anyway :cool:

A nice bod might catch the eye, but a great personality catches the guy!

Interesting thread by the way. Hahaha little did I realize when I joined this forum to learn a little more about macs, that I would be enlightened on things far more interesting than a bunch of chips.

BaghdadBob

Oct 30, 2003, 11:57 PM

Circumcision: I'm against it, so is my partner. She loves the sensation of the foreskin on entry. Considering that the first, what, 1 1/2" of vagina is the most sensetive, I guess that's a considerable advantage, especially when used consciously.

Size: Personally I'd like to be a couple of inches longer just for the ability to manage more awkward approaches. I used to be pretty insecure about my size, actually, until I had a partner who convinced me that not only was I big enough for her, I was actually not only normal but girthier. Coupled with how, er, convincing she was from the first time we were together, I got over it. Just tells you what our porno-centric sense of sexuality does to your concept of size.

Boobies! OK, I don't like 'em all that big, myself, especially not with implants. Implants are bad. Stupid Canadian radio station (I hate the moronic radio I get from Vancouver) was bragging about how implants were the most common surgery in B.C. for some years running. That and the constant junior-high level pot humor are so lame. Oh, and the music. What was I talking about again?? Oh, yeah, I like breasts of all sizes, but not shapes. Ladies -- DO NOT WEAR TUBE TOPS. DO WEAR BRAS. Bannana-boobies on young women should not be flashed from car-to-car. You don't see me taking my private parts out and pressing them on the window. Nothing to see here...move along...

I'm more of a butt guy myself. From a "choosing your mate on survival instinct" standpoint you can tell a lot about a person by the shape of their butt.

Oh, and only whores find a mans size to be of primary importance in bed. That's like a guy choosing girls based on how tight they are. How shallow, and sad. If the only thing about sex that you enjoy is the friction, it must be truly hard to find satisfaction in this world.

I think a lot of guys care because they want to be more pleasing to their partner, not because they don't think they are already. Those porno chicks always sound pleased, right? To all my compadres out there: the clitoris is a lot easier to access than the uterus.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 31, 2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Size: Personally I'd like to be a couple of inches longer just for the ability to manage more awkward approaches. I used to be pretty insecure about my size, actually, until I had a partner who convinced me that not only was I big enough for her, I was actually not only normal but girthier.

It's possible that extra girth changed the aspect ratio of your penis to the point where you got the idea it wasn't long enough, because of the misleading aspect ratio.

When you start attaching monitor terminology to genitals, it's all over...

ColoJohnBoy

Oct 31, 2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Of course, doing it to *girls* is a human rights violation...

Uhhh.... it's so much the actual act of female circumcision, but the fact that in most places it's done as punishment and done with shards of glass and rusty blades.

BaghdadBob

Oct 31, 2003, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
It's possible that extra girth changed the aspect ratio of your penis to the point where you got the idea it wasn't long enough, because of the misleading aspect ratio.

When you start attaching monitor terminology to genitals, it's all over...
And lack of circumcision. And proportionate to my body size (not being built like a cracked-out porn star).

The onty sort-of positive thing I can say about the female form of obsessing over size is that it's a fair revenge for men's obsession with breast size. Too bad our society is going so far into sexual overdrive that for many the subtle sensualities that would be there in an intimate relationship have been disregarded in favor of pure physicality. It may be some time before this trend reverses itself.

Thank goodness we are not all defined by CK or MTV.

true777

Oct 31, 2003, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by tpjunkie
I have heard that the ladies do like the circumcised penis. Although, I have not heard this directly, so I suppose this is hear-say. Any ladies out there care to enlighten us?

I slightly prefer circumsized, but it's not a big deal either way, and I know other girls (mostly European where circumcision is less common) who say the opposite, but for them it's not a big deal, either. It doesn't feel better to me one way or the other, just an aesthetic preference. I sort of like circumsized cause it looks like a little guy with a face.

The one thing I wanted to add to this thread before I check out (it *is* getting too weird, really) is another turn-off for me and other girls I've talked to. It's when a guy thinks he has to go through 27 different positions in 15 minutes to keep his girl happy. Compulsory acrobatics, probably inspired by the adult entertainment industry? I've found that guys who feel good about their sexuality and about the relationship don't have the need to do this, which makes it much nicer, more fun, and more relaxed.

Oh... and the argument that doing nice (even if stereotypical) things for a girl to enhance the mood is lame b/c it's too "cliche", to me is analogous to saying that girls shouldn't give guys BJs b/c it's too cliche, stereotypical. Would you really say "no" just because it's something a lot of other people happen to enjoy, too?

tpjunkie

Oct 31, 2003, 11:34 AM

Thank you for enlightening us

BaghdadBob

Oct 31, 2003, 12:21 PM

Yeah, stupid BJs, oldest trick in the book.

Anyway, I think the deal with doing "nice things" is the intention. Are you doing it to be nice or to turn your girl on? Personally I've only ever sent flowers as a nice surprise, not because I was looking for some payback later.

And opening the door for a lady does not make you a gentleman.

shadowfax

Oct 31, 2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
And opening the door for a lady does not make you a gentleman. that sounded kind of bitter. of course, there's no one action that makes you a gentleman. it's more of a state of mind than anything else. but, "ye shall know them by their fruits." opening the door for a girl is a very gentlemanly thing to do.

wdlove

Oct 31, 2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Anyway, I think the deal with doing "nice things" is the intention. Are you doing it to be nice or to turn your girl on? Personally I've only ever sent flowers as a nice surprise, not because I was looking for some payback later.

And opening the door for a lady does not make you a gentleman.

I agree. Also that openning the door is just part of being a gentleman. It comes from all of the manners that one is taught by their mother.

Dros

Oct 31, 2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
that sounded kind of bitter. of course, there's no one action that makes you a gentleman. it's more of a state of mind than anything else. but, "ye shall know them by their fruits." opening the door for a girl is a very gentlemanly thing to do.

I agree about the state of mind. Opening a door can be a sign that the person is being considerate in that as you approach a door you can be thinking about how to be helpful to the person next to you (and open the door) or your mind can be on other things and then have them open the door. Opening the door shows you are actively thinking about the person. It can get out of control... going through elaborate machinations so they never touch a handle, in which case it turns ugly and is usualy a sign of wanting to control. I like opening doors, although I'll do it with men and women I'm walking with. I'll probably go a little more out of my way for a woman, though, so I guess it is being more than "helpful".

shadowfax

Oct 31, 2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Dros
I like opening doors, although I'll do it with men and women I'm walking with. I'll probably go a little more out of my way for a woman, though, so I guess it is being more than "helpful". yeah, me too. i don't discriminate, but women do get privileged status.

frescies

Oct 31, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by true777
Oh... and the argument that doing nice (even if stereotypical) things for a girl to enhance the mood is lame b/c it's too "cliche", to me is analogous to saying that girls shouldn't give guys BJs b/c it's too cliche, stereotypical. Would you really say "no" just because it's something a lot of other people happen to enjoy, too?

I'm so glad I joined the Out-Of-Context-Police-Force... Real dream come true...

Thats not analogous at all.

First off, when I think of things my girlfriend can do to enhance the mood, the last thing I'd think of in the world is:

"Boy... I'm really enjoying this this time I'm spending with my girlfriend. This is a great movie we are watcing, and it is so stimulating to discuss the dramatic undertones with her. Man... the only thing that could excite me more is if she went for it and gave me a BJ"

I know she's not thinking the same thing. If this you actually consider this an appropriate analogue, I can only imagine the things you'd put on your list of "cute" things you like to do to put "your boyfriend (or whatever)" in the mood. It's probably up there with grabbing his crotch at random moments, and licking his butthair.

I was offended by your supposition that all men date shallow women, but I'm more offended that you think I'd expect such shallow things from my girlfriend (or whatever), thus making me just as shallow.

You've also proposed somewhat of a slippery slope. By your argument, I can also say that men shouldn't perform oral sex on women either, which means women shouldn't have sex with men, thus women shouldn't have sex with men... in fact all sexual thought is cliche and obsurd and whatnot... men and women shouldnt even look at each other... men and women should be segregated.....

This can be flipped around to work backwards untill you go from saying that men and women should not be sexual together to men and women should be allowed to rape each other (would take pages and pages and pages but is still a slippery slope).

Plus it is out of context because sexual activies are NOT cliche as they are a basic physiological need for most people (not to mention most mammals... find a non-human mammal that will appreciate an offer of flowers)

Lets run the slippery slope on this again. Sexual activites are not chiche when there are very few basic concepts involved. Lets face it. People are excited by millions and millions of different things. Some are shallow, some aren't. But when it comes to the basic human sexuality, you have VERY VERY FEW basic concepts. Since there are few things to choose from to satisfy sexual needs, does that make it cliche? No, certainly not. What WOULD be more analogous to this would be to say that if serving someone (or yourself, for that matter) a carbohydrate-based meal, to satisfy their basic necessity for food, is cliche; so is Giving B/J's.

</sarcasm and prickish remarks>

wdlove

Nov 1, 2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Dros
I agree about the state of mind. Opening a door can be a sign that the person is being considerate in that as you approach a door you can be thinking about how to be helpful to the person next to you (and open the door) or your mind can be on other things and then have them open the door. Opening the door shows you are actively thinking about the person. It can get out of control... going through elaborate machinations so they never touch a handle, in which case it turns ugly and is usualy a sign of wanting to control. I like opening doors, although I'll do it with men and women I'm walking with. I'll probably go a little more out of my way for a woman, though, so I guess it is being more than "helpful".

I think that being courteous to others is very important. At times it can be akward. I think that when I do it for a man, its unexpected. Usually if it is 2 doors going into a resturant we take turns.

In my nursing class, I was the only male. They used to get a kick out of my always going into the room last. :p

BaghdadBob

Nov 1, 2003, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Dros
I agree about the state of mind. Opening a door can be a sign that the person is being considerate in that as you approach a door you can be thinking about how to be helpful to the person next to you (and open the door) or your mind can be on other things and then have them open the door. Opening the door shows you are actively thinking about the person.

See, that's just what I'm saying, opening a door, or other token signs of consideration, don't mean any of that. Certainly there must be some ladies around here who have known someone who knew all the right moves, but when it came right down to it, was a piece of ****.

There have been plenty of "gentlemen" out there who cheat and or beat. Doesn't mean crap. Like I said, why you're doing something is the important thing, and that's a lot harder to judge.

wdlove

Nov 1, 2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
See, that's just what I'm saying, opening a door, or other token signs of consideration, don't mean any of that. Certainly there must be some ladies around here who have known someone who knew all the right moves, but when it came right down to it, was a piece of ****.

There have been plenty of "gentlemen" out there who cheat and or beat. Doesn't mean crap. Like I said, why you're doing something is the important thing, and that's a lot harder to judge.

I happen to be one of the good guys, not asking for something in return. There are always bad apples in any realm. It's too bad that a few make it look bad for those that are proper "gentleman."

Dros

Nov 1, 2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
See, that's just what I'm saying, opening a door, or other token signs of consideration, don't mean any of that. Certainly there must be some ladies around here who have known someone who knew all the right moves, but when it came right down to it, was a piece of ****.

There have been plenty of "gentlemen" out there who cheat and or beat. Doesn't mean crap. Like I said, why you're doing something is the important thing, and that's a lot harder to judge.

Sure, plenty of door holders are wife beaters. What I'm saying is that it does take a mindset that you are thinking about the person next to you to be a door holder. Given the lack of evidence any other way, I'd then guess a door holder has some capability to be considerate. A non-door holder could be the sweetest person in the world... but hard to tell. And I think we both agree the "why" is important.

BaghdadBob

Nov 1, 2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
I happen to be one of the good guys, not asking for something in return. There are always bad apples in any realm. It's too bad that a few make it look bad for those that are proper "gentleman."
Right. I just hate to hear someone say "oh, so and so sure knows how to treat a lady" after knowing the person for a few hours or less. The problem with being a gentleman is there's a known forumla to it. It doesn't make it bad to be gentlemanly, but it doesn't take any real consideration or chivalry to know how to act. That's all I'm saying.

rainman::|:|

Nov 1, 2003, 04:40 PM

any man who holds a door for a woman is simply taking away her independence to open the door for herself, which would make her less dependent on the man and continue a cycle of female independence. so men, holding the door open for women is just like beating her, only much more sociologically acceptable.

:)
pnw

Phil Of Mac

Nov 1, 2003, 04:47 PM

true777

Nov 1, 2003, 05:05 PM

I completely agree with the posters who say it depends on why someone is opening the door. I doubt guys would open a door for a girl (or do any of the other "nice, cliche" things for her) because they are hoping for a "payback".

I think it does show attentiveness, thoughtfulness, and that a guy cares about a girl and wants to treat her a little special, and those are things many girls care about.

Sure there are mean people who open doors or give flowers, just as there are corrupt folks who donate to charities, etc. But in my personal experience, the generally nicer, more thoughtful guys tend to do these things more often than other people.

shadowfax

Nov 1, 2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by paulwhannel
any man who holds a door for a woman is simply taking away her independence to open the door for herself, which would make her less dependent on the man and continue a cycle of female independence. so men, holding the door open for women is just like beating her, only much more sociologically acceptable.

:)
pnw that's a prime example of how overanalysis turns mountains into molehills.

many feminists have a real penchant for this. another thing they like to bitch about is how we use "he" to refer to a person of indeterminate gender. now they want us to write "he or she." i hate when stupid people take control of my language...

Dros

Nov 1, 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I know a feminist who says that when a man holds a door open for her, she thanks him and holds the next door open for him.

And that's a good test. If the guy freaks out, thinking his manliness is being questioned, or hating the idea that a woman should act in a helpful way to him, thereby reversing the traditional roles of power, then he's "being a gentleman" because he thinks women are fragile creatures who should be protected. If he smiles and thanks her in return, hopefully without any over-acting, then he was just being helpful.

Originally posted by BaghdadBob

The problem with being a gentleman is there's a known forumla to it. It doesn't make it bad to be gentlemanly, but it doesn't take any real consideration or chivalry to know how to act. That's all I'm saying.

And yet, the simple act of opening a door does take active thinking. "Approaching door. Person next to me has bag. Maybe needs help. Should open door." That person has something going for them more than the person who doesn't even notice, or care to notice, that the person next to them may require assistance. It can be pointed out that women are not "needing assistance" when unencumbered, but the thought process is similar. "Opening door, I can a) walk through, forcing the person behind me to catch the closing door and re-open it, b) go through and 'pop' the door as I pass so the other person has an easier time, or c) grab it, open it, let the other person go through and follow." I often do b or c. 'c' is more ostentatious and open to misinterpretation, but the purpose is the same a 'b', which even PW would not consider akin to a beating.

Phil Of Mac

Nov 1, 2003, 05:17 PM

I hold doors open for men, as well. Maybe this means I'm queer. Wait, I am. Never mind.

tazo

Nov 1, 2003, 05:18 PM

shadowfax

Nov 1, 2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by tazo
that is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. How can you think that being a gentleman has the same abusive connotation as beating a woman? omg.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: dude, the hyperbole is not needed. you're making me look bad here. c/mon :p ;)

Phil Of Mac

Nov 1, 2003, 05:23 PM

What if you beat down doors for women?

revenuee

Nov 1, 2003, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by paulwhannel
any man who holds a door for a woman is simply taking away her independence to open the door for herself, which would make her less dependent on the man and continue a cycle of female independence. so men, holding the door open for women is just like beating her, only much more sociologically acceptable.

:)
pnw

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

i open doors all the time - cabs, cars, houses, restaurants, lecture halls, night clubs... whatever... i usually get kiss on the cheek, an invitation to lunch or for a drink, and always, always a "thank you, your sweet" ... never have a heard a woman tell me that i'm imposing on her independence....

I've had women get mad at me when i refuse to let them pay for themselves... but never a gesture such as holding the door