just one request for us users

[jefhatfield]

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[Mr. Anderson]

so what thread are you talking about?

This option has been available before but was revoked due to abuse. Not because of postcount issues, but because some very good threads with constructive discussions were deleted.

If you need to have a thread deleted, let one of the mods know and we'll take care of it.

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[jefhatfield]

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[Mr. Anderson]

some members could handle it, but you can't say that for everyone - there will always be exceptions. Because of that things will most likely stay the way they are.

All it would take would be some member to get upset at what was said in their thread and a 200 post thread gets deleted. Such things cause all sorts of problems - which we try to avoid.

If something requires more work for the mods, its a problem. We do what we can to make things run smoothly.

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[iGav]

any of my threads can be deleted.... :eek: :eek: :eek: except the Geekfest London 2 and the Automated-Self-Beating-Machine thread..... ;) :D :p :p

If either of those go... :eek: :p :p

[jefhatfield]

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[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by iGAV
any of my threads can be deleted.... :eek: :eek: :eek:

don't worry - someday they'll be archived, that will be the extent of it.

We're not out to delete threads here. :D

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[eyelikeart]

hmm...I don't think that's such a hot idea at this stage of the game... :(

It was an option for everyone until it shot us in the foot with an actual good thread, now it's been taken away. It's my understanding, though, that it should have never been an available option to member to begin with, but was overlooked until it became an issue.

At this point, I think it's safe to leave it up to the admin & mods in making the decision of deleting a thread or not. This is only asking for trouble if u ask me.

[jefhatfield]

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[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
it's just common sense for the author/member to be able to delete his or her thread

I see where u are coming from on this, but it's not going to happen. At least this way it's guaranteed not to come back to cause another issue.

[jefhatfield]

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[tpjunkie]

Maybe it could be instituted for users with a certain post count, to insure they were responsible enough to handle such a privilege? There aren't a whole lot of mac rumors 601's running around here....

[Mr. Anderson]

like I mentioned, its not about post count.

The last time a thread was deleted, it was a Demi-God with well over 1000 posts. If you can't rely on someone who is going to support the site, who can you count on?

It caused issues, so the privilege was taken away.

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[jefhatfield]

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[Mr. Anderson]

did you read my post? And when ever you set a 'goal' for a certain post count there are issues - spamming and such.

If this is seriously causing you concern, it might be best to discuss this directly with arn through email or PM.

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[jefhatfield]

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[alia]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i just believe that this issue is important enough to bring up to the macrumors community in general

the ability to delete one's threads have worked well in the past with macrumors...it's a great site and most of us can be trusted not to bait other members to diminish or banish their posts or great ideas

freedom of speech and free flowing ideas are great on macrumors, but so is the delete key..but for the user and HIS /HER thread only

i disagree with any member being able to delete other members' threads...of course that would cause chaos;)

This may be a stupid questions, but... can't you just delete the remarks you made that you wish you hadn't? That way, the thread is preserved, but your comments are removed? We all have the ability to edit our own posts.

Alia

[eyelikeart]

It's reasons, such as this, that the Wasteland was created...to rid of useless posts by someone who has the authority to do so.

It's also reason, such as above, that people need gun permits. ;)

[tazo]

why didnt ya just call this the lets all piss on tazo thread :rolleyes:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by tazo
why didnt ya just call this the lets all piss on tazo thread :rolleyes:

No one's coming down on u...just using your situation as an example as opposition to the argument. ;)

[tazo]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
No one's coming down on u...just using your situation as an example as opposition to the argument. ;)

Please....I was referenced atleast twice indirectly in the aforementioned posts...

"...had over 200 posts in that thread and was deleted....a demi-god with over 1000 posts..."

besides I am one of the more recent how shall we say, class examples :o

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by tazo
Please....I was referenced atleast twice indirectly in the aforementioned posts...


I wasn't pointing fingers or naming names. If you hadn't said anything, most people wouldn't have known who I was talking about and most people wouldn't have cared. :rolleyes:

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[edesignuk]

Now, now gents, calm down :eek: :rolleyes:

I'm not bothered about being able to delete threads I create, but I would like to be able to delete posts in threads (my own of course).

[tazo]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
I wasn't pointing fingers or naming names. If you hadn't said anything, most people wouldn't have known who I was talking about and most people wouldn't have cared. :rolleyes:

D

Well I do care...so that is atleast one person :o

[wdlove]

It would have been better not to have mentioned your accident tazo. I wasn't aware of who Mr. Anderson was speaking.

I agree that it is wrong for members to have the ability to delete a thread. The reason is that it hurts other fellow members. It would be nice to have the ability to delete your personal post if an error has been made. I think that the mods have a tough job and do it well. So is the preferred method to PM a mod if a mistake is made?

[Rower_CPU]

Reporting posts will get the quickest reaction, since it goes out to all of us directly, unlike a PM.

[Macco]

Heh maybe this thread should be deleted...

I think everyone's pretty clear on this, people shouldn't be able to delete threads.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by wdlove
It would be nice to have the ability to delete your personal post if an error has been made. I think that the mods have a tough job and do it well. So is the preferred method to PM a mod if a mistake is made?

That's where it can be a problem though. If it's the first post in a thread that's deleted, the entire thread goes along with it.

So yeah, PMing a mod or reporting it will do the trick. ;)

[arn]

The History of 'Delete your own Post'.

MacRumors Forums came into being and the option to delete your own post was available to all users.

GoCyrus came, and started abusing it. Posting threads for the sole purpose of trolling and inciting arguments. As things started not going his way, he would delete said thread and start over.

Deleting threads was removed as an option due to this abuse. But when I changed the settings, I didn't change the settings for the Demi's -- mostly as an oversight -- but when I realized, I figured it wouldn't matter.

Recently, by accident or whatever, tazo deleted a large thread. As a result, I removed the unintended feature from the demi's.

Overall, I think it's a not a big loss. Users can easily edit their own posts and remove anything they would like. The ability to delete other people's posts (which is a side-effect of deleting your own post which started a thread) is not allowed... nor should it be. Should someone be able to delete an entire thread because they disagree with the responses?

As for the various compromises (post counts, certain members), it would require ongoing custom code-tweaks (to keep up with the newest versions of vBulletin) which I have very little interest in putting my own time into.

arn

[MacBandit]

The only reason I have deleted any of my own posts of late is that on occasion I forget to attach an image and hit the post button. Well once the post has been made you cannot edit the post and attach the image unless there was an image attached in the first place. So I delete the post and repost with the image.

[jefhatfield]

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[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i have sometimes innocently tried to start an honest thread and then trolls would come along and turn it into some sort of internet hate fest...in those cases,

in those cases, let us take care of it. It happens so infrequently that its not a problem for the mods.

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[jefhatfield]

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[arn]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i have sometimes innocently tried to start an honest thread and then trolls would come along and turn it into some sort of internet hate fest...

Your definition of troll may be someone else's honest opinion, and vice-versa.

GoCyrus could have made the same argument to delete his own threads.

arn

[jefhatfield]

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[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
but you should know me by now;)

Yup we DEFINITELY know YOU by now.

TROLL!!!

:p :D

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
but you should know me by now;)

but you see, its not just you that's at issue here.

Can we pound this subject into the ground any farther?

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[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
but you see, its not just you that's at issue here.

Can we pound this subject into the ground any farther?

D

NO it's about to exit the opposite side of the earth. Time to close the thread.

[jefhatfield]

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[jefhatfield]

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[eyelikeart]

what's with all the "censored" edits jef?

[wdlove]

I was confused myself eyelikeart. Maybe the old rule applies saying nothing is better than to put your foot in your mouth. Why ask for trouble, at least it is getting him some attention.

[Durandal7]

The simplest solution is to make jef a mod.

[Mac til death]

I'm not sure why jef edited all of his posts with the words censored, but I think that he has demonstrated (whether on purpose or otherwise) that the ability to edit posts is just as easily abused as is the ability to delete your own posts...

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Mac til death
I'm not sure why jef edited all of his posts with the words censored, but I think that he has demonstrated (whether on purpose or otherwise) that the ability to edit posts is just as easily abused as is the ability to delete your own posts...

as he has most aptly shown, that is true - yet having control over other peoples posts (deleting a thread you started) is not something that should be given to everyone, since there is no way to make sure that it should be removed or not. It has been proven that it doesn't work well in the forums.

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[Mac til death]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
as he has most aptly shown, that is true - yet having control over other peoples posts (deleting a thread you started) is not something that should be given to everyone, since there is no way to make sure that it should be removed or not. It has been proven that it doesn't work well in the forums.

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I agree with you that the ability to delete posts and subsequently whole threads is not something anyone with an account should have access to....

... especially without a way to control or undo what has been deleted.

The ability to edit posts is good enough anyway....

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:)

[tazo]

why dont you just make a new thread in wasteland with all of jef's posts?

Give him the tazo-treatment

[eyelikeart]

I don't quite get it...why do u continue to bring focus to your incident?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Mac til death
I agree with you that the ability to delete posts and subsequently whole threads is not something anyone with an account should have access to....

... especially without a way to control or undo what has been deleted.

The ability to edit posts is good enough anyway....

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:)

I agree. I as I am sure many others didn't realize that deleting the first post in a thread would delete the whole thread. I'm sure the whole incident woke many of us to this. Is there not a way to lock the first post of a thread so that it cannot be deleted without a mods powers. Thus allowing us to continue to delete our own stupid misposts?

[manitoubalck]

Wheather this is off topic I'm not sure, But I have noticed that Rower_PC gets under people's noses quite often (esp. myself and jonapete2001) and on one occasion has deleated one of my posts.

I have on occasion droped a line, but not a dragnet, and I would assume that the Mod's should lead buy example in responsible posting, if your not sure what I'm on about take a look at this now closed treads "Office for Windows"
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45783&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

and "Buying a WinTel machine is like..."
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45646&perpage=25&pagenumber=5

I don't know, but this Rower chap seems to have a really short fuse, has anyone else noticed or is it just me?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Wheather this is off topic I'm not sure, But I have noticed that Rower_PC gets under people's noses quite often (esp. myself and jonapete2001) and on one occasion has deleated one of my posts.

I have on occasion droped a line, but not a dragnet, and I would assume that the Mod's should lead buy example in responsible posting, if your not sure what I'm on about take a look at this now closed treads "Office for Windows"
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45783&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

and "Buying a WinTel machine is like..."
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45646&perpage=25&pagenumber=5

I don't know, but this Rower chap seems to have a really short fuse, has anyone else noticed or is it just me?

I don't see him making any attacks against you. He seems to be making comments that you take offense to even though he's just trying to give the opposite side of the coin. I didn't see one comment there were he went off or got pissed or did anything but try to settle a dispute that shouldn't have been in the first place.

[tazo]

Rower and I have had our differences in the past [coughcoughthestereotypesthreadcoughcough]
but I feel that he is like all of the other mods and Arn: as fair as humans with different views, opinions, and mindsets can be :)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by tazo
Rower and I have had our differences in the past [coughcoughthestereotypesthreadcoughcough]
but I feel that he is like all of the other mods and Arn: as fair as humans with different views, opinions, and mindsets can be :)

You forgot emotions and feelings. We all have good and bad days. I avoid potentially flamatory topics when I know I'm having a bad day.

[tazo]

wouldnt feelings be part of mindsets? "...I was of an angry mindset that day after..."

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by tazo
wouldnt feelings be part of mindsets? "...I was of an angry mindset that day after..."

Oops, guess I read over that.

It's best if you just leave that day and that incident alone. You're not the only one that is upset over that incident and not all of the reasons for being upset are because of Rower. Just do like everyone else did that participated in that thread and let it go and move on. Just some friendly advice from a faceless friend.:)

[manitoubalck]

Ok, it may just be me then.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Ok, it may just be me then.

I hope you don't take offense to this as I am not trying to pick sides. It just seemed like you were overreacting. I never saw an attack against you.

[manitoubalck]

No, I don't take offence, it was just my perspective on the situation, plus he's sent me a few PM's which are less than chearful. The reason I posted the question was to see if others had had the same experiance with Rower, because he's the only one who gets to me.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
No, I don't take offence, it was just my perspective on the situation, plus he's sent me a few PM's which are less than chearful. The reason I posted the question was to see if others had had the same experiance with Rower, because he's the only one who gets to me.

I understand that. Sometimes people just have conflicting personalities. I'd just let it go for now and give yourself time to grow in the community and see if he continues to bother you.

[tazo]

i agree with macbandit, manitoulback. Just let it go and try and be a productive member of the website.

[arn]

Originally posted by manitoubalck

I don't know, but this Rower chap seems to have a really short fuse, has anyone else noticed or is it just me?

I read the threads. I don't see anything wrong with his comments.

arn

[arn]

Ok,

this thread is done.

I'm not sure why Jefhatfield "censored" all his posts... but it certainly is better than if he (was able) to delete the entire thread.

Remember... people who abuse the edit ability can be banned too.

arn