Regular Crashes on my Powerbook

[oldschool]

Everyday now since i've installed panther i've been getting this message in like fi ve different languages that tells me to hold down the power button on my 15" AlPB.

Any suggestions?

[rainman::|:|]

those are called "kernel panics".

have you tried the standard two; repairing permissions and fsck -y?

normally i'd suggest a hardware issue, like bad ram, but this sounds very definitely software...

pnw

[oldschool]

thanks for the reply, but what is fsck?

[teabgs]

fsck -y doesnt seem to work with panther.... or is it just me?

because it wouldnt do it for me and I was very confused

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by teabgs
fsck -y doesnt seem to work with panther.... or is it just me?

because it wouldn't do it for me and I was very confused

i am a former apple warranty technician and i compare notes with an apple developer and like many first versions of a software title, panther has its problems, but 10.3.1 should address some issues people have had with panther

not since the osx beta have i heard so many bad comments about an operating system and it's a shame that apple put panther out before it was properly tested for bugs...the apple repair shops where i live in northern california are getting the worst hell from the customers over panther and i hate to say it, but until apple gets their act together and patch this monster up, i would rather use windows XP becuase it's far more stable than panther:(

[Rower_CPU]

If you're using journaling on Panther, the standard fsck won't run since it doesn't need to. If you want to force it, you can run fsck -f.

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031026181823991

[teabgs]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
If you're using journaling on Panther, the standard fsck won't run since it doesn't need to. If you want to force it, you can run fsck -f.

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031026181823991

is it on by default?

thanks by the way

...but I still loathe panther until they fix it...

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by teabgs
is it on by default?

thanks by the way

...but I still loathe panther until they fix it...

If you did a clean install, yes.

It's working OK for me, but I've believed from the get go that 7B85 should not have been the GM.

[teabgs]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
If you did a clean install, yes.

It's working OK for me, but I've believed from the get go that 7B85 should not have been the GM.

I did an archive install. And have had way too many problems.

Apple should never have released this as GM. there is no way they did not know about these problems.

They rushed it, and we suffer from loss of productivity (I dont have the time to wipe it and start over with Jag or I'll get behind so I have to deal with these issues until the fix is out), loss of money (it isn't worth $130, even if it were working perfectly it isnt more than a $75-80 upgrade in my opinion)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by teabgs
I did an archive install. And have had way too many problems.

Apple should never have released this as GM. there is no way they did not know about these problems.

They rushed it, and we suffer from loss of productivity (I dont have the time to wipe it and start over with Jag or I'll get behind so I have to deal with these issues until the fix is out), loss of money (it isn't worth $130, even if it were working perfectly it isnt more than a $75-80 upgrade in my opinion)

with the bugs this os has, apple should rebate the money and recall the product

heck, even microsoft had to do that once:D

actually, apple should offter 10.4 free to those who paid for the first version of panther

[teabgs]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
with the bugs this os has, apple should rebate the money and recall the product

heck, even microsoft had to do that once:D

actually, apple should offter 10.4 free to those who paid for the first version of panther

no kidding...

I dont know that it should be recalled..though they should stop selling it till 10.3.1

either refunding or giving 10.4 free would probably make amends for a lot of people...It seems to me like Apple is getting a little more like microsoft lately...they need to slow down a little, and I know their trying to move fast to make up fro moto slowing them down, but a few more weeks for a stable OS is worth it...

[billyboy]

Numbers ways, Jaguar was presumably a new install for the bulk of users, being more new and unknown, so there would probably have been less issues? Is that the case?

It´s just that one year on, glitches with people´s set ups in Jaguar isnt something Apple could necessarily allow for to the nth degree with Panther. Apart from the FW800 pandemonium, have the bulk of the people with problems upgraded on top of Jaguar?

Maybe they´d be better off and cut down potential problems by a mile just advocating a clean install. I know for me Panther has been pretty amazing starting from scratch.

[teabgs]

Originally posted by billyboy
Numbers ways, Jaguar was presumably a new install for the bulk of users, being more new and unknown, so there would probably have been less issues? Is that the case?

It´s just that one year on, glitches with people´s set ups in Jaguar isnt something Apple could necessarily allow for to the nth degree with Panther. Apart from the FW800 pandemonium, have the bulk of the people with problems upgraded on top of Jaguar?

Maybe they´d be better off and cut down potential problems by a mile just advocating a clean install. I know for me Panther has been pretty amazing starting from scratch.

some people only have Upgrade cd's....

[AmigoMac]

It's not great to do a rumors site a box ring wether or not panther rocks, as far as I know we pay for a whole way till 10.3.9, or before 10.4, in case apple won't do it free, then is not just a 130 bucks step from 10.2.8 to 10.3, its a whole system of new features and advances in a customer direction. just stop bothering with the that story that panther sucks, mr "I-know-all-and-will-use-xp" is boring to read the same in every post...:mad:

[hugemullens]

You got airport? I dont have panther yet but I know on the Rev A 12" powerbooks the airport card can come unseated and cause Kernal Panics galore. I would assume apple worked this out, but just thought i would mention it incase it could be the cause.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by AmigoMac
It's not great to do a rumors site a box ring wether or not panther rocks, as far as I know we pay for a whole way till 10.3.9, or before 10.4, in case apple won't do it free, then is not just a 130 bucks step from 10.2.8 to 10.3, its a whole system of new features and advances in a customer direction. just stop bothering with the that story that panther sucks, mr "I-know-all-and-will-use-xp" is boring to read the same in every post...:mad:

actually, the more i learn about computers and software, the less i realize that i know...it's a big field

but unless you are in the field fixing computers, software, teaching computer classes...on macs and PCs daily, you have no idea what you are talking about...i used to be a mac zealot, when i didn't know anything, but it's hardly an "all macs and apple software rules" vs "all microsoft and PC stuff sucks" argument...it's not that black and white

but that being said, i wish for nothing more than for apple to be the best computer company in the world and i have high expectations for them...and when they fall short, i make a lot of noise because i know apple inc listens...unlike some "other" companies which may be bigger and richer;)

...and come on dude, your bio says you are an engineer, and if it has anything to do with high tech, you should know better and use your training to objectively look at the facts instead of fall for that apple is warm and fuzzzy and make the computers when the planets line up right and your rising sign is line with the magical panther os;) :p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by teabgs
...It seems to me like Apple is getting a little more like microsoft lately...they need to slow down a little, and I know their trying to move fast to make up fro moto slowing them down, but a few more weeks for a stable OS is worth it...

that is my fear, and apple inc is realizing it, unfortunately

i used to hate microsoft, but i have to say they have really gotten their act together and while that does not excuse some of the unethical things they have done in the past, i think a lot of the improvement with microsoft is a reaction to how many people feel negatively about microsoft's past monopolistic tendencies

[teabgs]

AmigoMac: your sig states:

"It isn't against M$, it isn't against Bill windows, I want my computer to work and have fun, not to think about virus/hackers/worms/ and those bugs and OS crashes you buy without knowing... Apple rocks!"



Well.....with Panther guess what I have a lot of.....

did you figure it out yet?

you said it in your sig man.... "those bugs and OS crashes you buy without knowing"

Today is the first in 3 days where my computer hasn't frozen up while doing work and forced me to shut it down with the power button.....which I really DO NOT like to do and cold start.

know what else? its when I'm not only using panther which is apple's fault....but FINAL CUT PRO....you'd think a bunch of apple products all together should work flawlessly right? i did....but they arent.

Like jef I was a zealot too until I started frequenting this board and using PC's some of the time when doing 3D animation....though I prefer to do it on the mac still.

Jaguar was wonderful, but I'm very disappointed in Panther and in apple for releasing it as is

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by teabgs
AmigoMac: your sig states:

"It isn't against M$, it isn't against Bill windows, I want my computer to work and have fun, not to think about virus/hackers/worms/ and those bugs and OS crashes you buy without knowing... Apple rocks!"



Well.....with Panther guess what I have a lot of.....

did you figure it out yet?

you said it in your sig man.... "those bugs and OS crashes you buy without knowing"

Today is the first in 3 days where my computer hasn't frozen up while doing work and forced me to shut it down with the power button.....which I really DO NOT like to do and cold start.

know what else? its when I'm not only using panther which is apple's fault....but FINAL CUT PRO....you'd think a bunch of apple products all together should work flawlessly right? i did....but they arent.

Like jef I was a zealot too until I started frequenting this board and using PC's some of the time when doing 3D animation....though I prefer to do it on the mac still.

Jaguar was wonderful, but I'm very disappointed in Panther and in apple for releasing it as is

the day i realized that i was completely blaming microsoft for everything bad in the world was when one day, my wife was a recipient to a free 6 month PC training program at bill gate's expense

microsoft bought her glasses, and also paid her while she was in class...i couldn't say they were completely evil anymore when here income quadrupled

of course, she learned all microsoft stuff...he he

i was in a dead end job and one day a microsoft recruiter bagged my butt and my income increased greatly...it has helped my life and that was another reason for me to realize that microsoft was not the embodiment of evil ;)

but it was at that point i stopped being a mac zealot and realized that some people use windows and actually like it and there are as many good things about windows/PCs as there are bad things

my life as a mac zealot for nearly 15 years , and apple computer zealot of 7 years before that blinded me to common sense and i was tired of having my baby, apple inc, get the tar beat out of them at every corner due to bill gates' smarts or sneakiness ;)

now all i have to do is realize that volvo is not the second coming of christ and then i could call myself an independent thinking human being

[johnnowak]

I donno man, that new R is lookin pretty nice. Safety AND power... I like it. It's still no M3 though.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by johnnowak
I donno man, that new R is lookin pretty nice. Safety AND power... I like it. It's still no M3 though.

oh no, here i am trying to teach an object lesson (from an ex- mac zealot to a current one) and you bring up the new volvo model...he he...i guess i have to stroke my touchy feely side more and not think but just enjoy the volvo zealot side of me...ooh, volvo, cool and sexy

oops...that came out wrong;) :p

...yes, i admit i am a volvo zealot...btw, what is an M3?

man, when amigo mac wakes up over there in europe, he's sure gonna be pissed :)

[oldschool]

what is fsck??

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by oldschool
what is fsck??

Geeky answer:
http://www.hmug.org/man/8/fsck.html

Non-geeky answer:
It's a file system checking utility that ensures everything is hunky dory after a hard restart or crash.

[jefhatfield]

he he

i thought the term was a clever way to say the "f-word"

when i have a computer problem, i usually feel like saying the "s-word"

:eek: ;)

[jefhatfield]

hey wait, i can see it now...a real country music war ;)

dixie chicks: "fsck you toby keith!"

toby keith: "no fsck you, dixie chicks!!"

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
he he

i thought the term was a clever way to say the "f-word"

when i have a computer problem, i usually feel like saying the "s-word"

:eek: ;)

Yeah, it's used that way too. ;)

[joker2]

Originally posted by hugemullens
You got airport? I dont have panther yet but I know on the Rev A 12" powerbooks the airport card can come unseated and cause Kernal Panics galore. I would assume apple worked this out, but just thought i would mention it incase it could be the cause.

Yep, though it may be more than the unseating of the card. Got a rev. B 12" and had an AE card installed... worked fine for 5 minutes in the store, about 5 minutes at home, and then kernel panicked, and would kernel panic every subsequent time I turned Airport on. I took it back in, tried reseating the card, didn't help... they returned/replaced for a new card and I haven't had any problems since :)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Yeah, it's used that way too. ;)

now i know this is great at teaching the 13 year old posters here, who will be techies in the future, some really bad habits ;)

sometimes i forget who might be reading this board and it's amazing that i have gone this long without getting banned since there are tons of posters from 2000 that have been banned* for, he he, bad language or such, but i couldn't resist since that techie term is easily abused

another term which some of us techies would abuse was SCSI, or small computer system interface, but we used the acronym in some interesting and unflattering ways:p


*many of those banned posters from the first year of macrumors have made their way, with their bad language intact, to either the site of that former demi who liked harleys or that site spinoff of that former mod named after a fruit not represented in the original fruit flavors of the old imac

if you can guess the url or either site, then you are either an oldtimer here, or you are spending too much time at your job procrastiniating

[chazmox]

I've had three kernel panics since installing Panther and two since 10.3.1 ( and I only installed it two days ago ). Not happy with that reliability. I also have a 15 inch PB.

What are some of your experiences with kernel panics? How many have you had? Are they confined to particular machines?

[joker2]

Chazmox: can you give us more information as to when the kernel panics occur? Is it while you are in a specific program or programs? Can you reproduce one at will?

Did you do a clean install of Panther? (either erase disk and clean install, or archive & install?) Does it happen if you create a new user, then log in as that new user and use the same programs?

I haven't had any problems with my 12" pb since I got the airport card replaced, 10.3.1 seems very solid to me.

[chazmox]

Did an update and not a clean install. Panther came as part of the $20 Up-to-Date program. I looked for some of the other options and could not find them ( although I did not look too hard - they may have been there and I missed them ).

The first time I crashed ( under 10.3.0 ) I cannot remember the exact situation, but the last time under 10.3.1 was when I was running Cinema 4D ( version 6 ) and I was coming back from sleep. This is when the kernel panic occurred.

I believe the second time ( there have been three occurances ) happenned under the same circumstances, although I may be wrong. I will look and take note if it happens again.

I usually have two users running. The last two crashes have happenned under one of the users. Repaired permissions last night - hopefully this helps.

[drMinky]

Don't know if this helps, but I had terrible kernal panics on my Jaguar/1GHz SD Tibook (stupid USB ADSL modem! - NEVER buy one!) that couldn't be fixed by removing the offending drivers (I think I'd had so many, I'd corrupted my filesystem or something). So, when Panther first came out I jumped and did a clean install. On first attempt though, I forgot my machine was still plugged into an ethernet network during the install. The result was crazy. Much to my shock and disappointment, the machine was kernal panicing almost as bad as Jaguar was (about every 20mins)..on a clean install!

Tried another clean install, this time making sure the machine was plugged into NOTHING (except power) and have not seen another kernal panic or even an 'unexpectedly quit' message ever since! : )

Another guy at work had problems with installing programs after a clean install of Panther..was fixed on second go...

Strangely enough, it seems that with installing Panther, the 'if at first you don't suceed, try again' seems to actually work!

[chazmox]

An update...

Still having problems - no recent kernal panics but today the finder gave me the eternal spining beach ball. I tried restarting the finder, but after three attempt I had to just give up and restart my machine.

Also, I am having some funny business networking my PowerBook with my iMac. I set filesharing up and everything is fine. But after I return to the computer after a few hours away, filesharing is still on; however, they cannot connect with each other. I usually have to shut down/restart file sharing on the PB and then everything is fine... at least for a little while.

It's kind of irritating when your wireless network becomes a sneaker net as you run from one machine to the other!

[oldschool]

Originally posted by chazmox
It's kind of irritating when your wireless network becomes a sneaker net as you run from one machine to the other!

hahahaha i know exactly what you mean...my printer sharing never works properly and i end up going back and forth endlessly.